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Friday, December 13th, 2013 at 11:25 am  |  51 responses

Pau Gasol Still Very Unhappy With Mike D’Antoni’s System

Things were supposed to be different this season. Alas, they are not. Pau Gasol still doesn’t fit into Mike D’Antoni’s run & gun system and philosophy, which may eventually lead to his departure from the Lakers. Per the LA Times: “In one corner of the Lakers’ practice gym stood Pau Gasol, his constant smile pulled tight. ‘The fact that I’m not getting the ball in the post affects directly my aggressiveness,’ he said. ‘When I’m not getting the ball where I want to, where I’m most effective, where I can bang guys and utilize my skill, that affects my aggressiveness and overall intensity. I can’t lie to him… Our numbers tell us the worst thing we do is post up,’ he said. The short distance between the Lakers’ struggling big man and their headstrong coach Thursday felt like miles, a giant chasm filled with disillusionment, disappointment and boos. Once the most embraced Laker, Gasol has become the most scorned. His reluctant offense and dissolvable defense have elicited a dark rumble from Staples Center fans every time he goes near the ball. He is shooting a career-low 42%, five opposing big men have already run over him to equal or top their career best in points, and everyone has been wondering when Pau Gasol is going to fight back. On Thursday, in his own kindly way, he finally did. [...] ‘This year hasn’t been ideal, certain things are not ideal for me, but that’s not going to change any time soon,’ he said. So why hasn’t it been ideal? ‘What do you think?’ he said. ‘I’m not going to say anything, but it’s easy to see. You see a guy with a certain skill set, where does it fit better, where it doesn’t.’ When asked about D’Antoni’s sometimes pointed criticism of his toughness, Gasol shrugged. ‘I don’t pay attention. Mike is sometimes all over the place, I don’t give much credit to things like that,’ he said. When asked if D’Antoni has ever discussed this criticism with him directly, for the first time in the interview, Gasol sounded irked. ‘Nope, zero. Nope, zero,’ he said. ‘Like I said, it’s not ideal, but it is what it is.’ A few minutes later, in another part of the emptying gym, D’Antoni offered his own shrug and acknowledged he has never discussed his criticisms directly with Gasol. ‘We know how he has to be,’ D’Antoni said. ‘We talk, but he has to produce. He knows how to play, he knows what he has to do.’”

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  • shockexchange

    The Gimp needs to give the Lakers the “gift of missing him.” After his contract is up, move on to another team in the Western Conference and play like a man possessed. Wait, does this apply to Rent-A-Center as well?

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    probably because Pau has slowed down considerably with age. In all honesty, he would have been a GREAT center for this system just 4 years ago.

  • Respect

    Everytime I watch the lakers he gets the ball in the post, he just cant finish

  • uqk

    shots fired, start the countdown…pau gonna get traded

  • bike

    All in all, this sounds more like a mutual dislike situation rather than unhappiness with LA’s system. Especially if D’Antoni is making Pau’s toughness an issue. They just flat out don’t care for each other.

  • Mike T.

    I feel so bad for him…I know he’s got ankle issues and I’ve fought with them recently myself. It can be so frusterating because everything else feels fine but this one little sensitive spot on your ankle can affect your whole game so much. Props for going out there every night but if you can’t finish or get enough lift to shoot from midrange I think you shouldn’t be out there as much. The other Laker bigs really need to step it up the blame for all of the front court issues can’t rest entirely on Pau’s shoulders.

  • spit hot fiyah

    just look at the pain in his face

  • Guest

    Pau’s complaints get taken as serious as this guys:

  • Saleem Rainman

    I’ve watched most of the early season lakers games, to start the season they tried to feature pau in the post, as their MAIN weapon. He just wasnt very good at it…he shot a horriible percentage and missed looks he EASILY made in his prime… Its not the system, its pau, imo.

  • KingBenjamin

    The hiring of D’Antoni is probably the biggest mistake in Lakers history, he single-handedly ruined the Lakers now and for years to come.

  • LakeShow

    Truth.

    I thought he would resurrect this year… It appears I was mistaken.

  • LakeShow

    He needs to take a little more accountability. They have put him in solid positions.

  • LakeShow

    Except that Dwight is playing the same way he did last season.

  • Gomy Noah

    Man, I hate Dantoni. People are hating on Gasol but it’s clearly the system. He’s just too stubborn to even edit his system. He’s going to end up running Kobe into the ground. Something needs to be done either way. The Lakers have almost always won with that post presence and Dantoni is fucking up that tradition.

  • http://soundcloud.com/tray-8 T-Ray

    It’s very frustrating to say the least. I’ve always been a fan of Pau and have been one of the few LA natives who hasn’t labeled him a scape goat for all of our short comings. I hope he gets it together.

  • LakeShow

    I wish him the best success if he leaves too.

    I hope he’s an all star and close to 20-10. I still feel he has that in him, when put in good position and happy.

  • robb

    Nobody in LA misses that low IQ idiot, like Lake said, he’s playing exactly the same, the only difference is he’s in better shape . If Pau leaves though, I would be mad as hell if his new coach plays him the way it should be. I definitely would miss Pau because I know what a capable player he is.

  • robb

    His legs aren’t responding to him, it’s true, but I do think there are better ways of using him. Pau can still be effective, he’s too smart and too skilled.

  • Kap

    Gasol let Amir Johnson damn near get 50 on him. And D’Antoni does put Gasol in the post. He’s clearly lying and its embarrassing considering that every Lakers fan know its him and not the system. The fans even boo him at games because how awful he’s been. Amir Johnson damn near had 50 on him…I repeat, Amir Johnson

  • robb

    1) Most Lakers fans have always had an excuse to boo him because most Lakers fans know sh*t about basketball.

    2) If Pau was being abused like that then why the “genius” D’Antoni didn’t make any adjustment? Amir was the only player causing problems, why the coach didn’t do anything about it? blaming Gasol for everything is stupid

  • http://soundcloud.com/tray-8 T-Ray

    Exactly. He’s probably the most skilled big man in the game. There has to be a more effective way to use him.

  • http://soundcloud.com/tray-8 T-Ray

    I hope he doesn’t leave but if he does I wouldn’t blame him.

  • shockexchange

    After all the “Stay D12″ billboards, now you guys wanna go in. What a turncoat son.

  • robb

    That was the front office and some crazy fans, not everybody liked that stayd12 thing. I hated it actually and I hated Howards since he was in Orlando.

  • ATL dynamite

    I firmly remember how many headless Lakers fans said a few months ago that it would be advantageous for ATL to throw in Horford Teague and draft picks for Pau alone, just because Pau would miraculously resurge into the player he used to be, being on a bad team (be it ATL or LAL). Those people are obliviously ignorant.

  • OEasy

    #FIreDantoni. I still have no idea how this dude has a job.

  • robb

    where did my reply go?

    i won’t write it again but I can assure you most Lakers fans didn’t like that stayd12 thing

  • http://www.slamonline.com/ Nick Tha Quick

    It is acceptable and even expected for a coach to criticize an underperforming player. But a player that criticizes an underperforming coach, however valid the criticism, is seen as disruptive, malcontent and overstepping his role/authority as a player. I wish someday players will have the same latitude to be just as critical of anything just like coaches do. Like the best PG in the league in DC saying,” We’re constantly being outcoached by opposing teams”

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    does he look heavy to you? not fat, but for Pau, he just seems to be carrying extra weight….or am i over analyzing?

  • LakeShow

    Key word: Headless

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    the same way….but better. he’s marginally better at just about everything.

  • LakeShow

    He doesn’t look heavy in the way Bryant looks heavy. Maybe for how D’Antoni wants him to play he’s heavy, but I like where he’s at weight wise.

    He is still decently agile. Some games has looked phenomenal.

    I wish I could diagnose what his problem is. I don’t think it’s a weight issue by any means. If I had to guess he’s kind of where Lamarcus Aldgridge was a year or two ago. Somewhat malcontent.

  • LakeShow

    True. Which basically just says he’s healthy. Playing the same way, but healthy.

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    i can’t put my finger on it either. i mean, definitely, him being unhappy is a part of it. but he’s not even finishing over smaller defenders, on isolation post ups. He used to absolutely abuse any mismatch he got on the block, but this season, it’s more of a “depends on the day” type of thing. But he definitely isn’t the same player he was a few years ago from a physical standpoint, he was probably the most agile 7 footer in the league for a large portion of his career. And those days are long gone.

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    yeah pretty much. i didn’t really know what you were inferring, and you know me, gotta make sure my POV is at least stated lol

  • LakeShow

    Yeah, you are correct. I think that he has officially lost a step. I still think he can be quite serviceable in the right situation though.

  • LakeShow

    He was 18 points away from 50… just so you know.

    I see your point though lol.

  • Evan Boland

    Soo sad.

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    i do too, i definitely think he’s much better than he is showing.

    .

    this is just to illuminate my earlier point,

    Tim Duncan gets 4.8 “close touches” per game. Pau Gasol gets 4.5. LMA gets 4.3. David West 3.7.

  • Ugh

    Yes, because robb put up those billboards. You’re a dolt.

  • Kap

    A lot of people don’t know anything about basketball or they either use stats without knowing how to use them or the context. And its stupid to make that generalization about Lakers fans. Are they extreme? Yes. Stupid? Not all. And D’Antoni has done a good job this year. He’s not the bad coach people make him out to be.

  • house

    I agree wholeheartedly. D.Howard is in the NBA on the bones of his athleticism and defensive prowess. He is not the offensive powerhouse that Pau is and has 1/10th of Pau’s basketball I.Q. And moreover, while Pau is on the court, (and off the court) he is a positive, well-rounded, well spoken human being who doesn’t have a penchant for being a drama-queen. Lakers would be utter fools to give him up.

  • house

    And also, with Kobe trying to return to form wouldn’t it be better to implement a run and gun system, (for example) which still works to capitalize on leakout baskets etc, while also utilizing Pau’s post up capabilities. I mean, they have good wings and willing passers but the offence at the moment seems stilted and hesitant. Pau needs to be the focus of the offense a little more imo. And as for Kobe running the point, lol not to sure about the wisdom behind that decision. Its just going to keep the ball out of Pau’s hands even more because Kobe is going to try very hard to get his groove back, possibly to the detriment of the team.

  • C.M.G

    dumb’atoni didnt change his system for d12 then he’s definitely changing it for pau LOL. pau will get the blame and dumb’atoni will get the lakers NOWHERE!

  • AddingVelocityDontTellMe

    duncan

  • AddingVelocityDontTellMe

    As Salamu Alaykum ikwa

  • robb

    I said most fans, I never said all Lakers fans (I’d be including myself) so no I’m not generalising and I’m not taking about you either, I know you’re not stupid.

    D’Antoni’s made a good job because he has young and energetic players. He can make those players fun to watch for a while, but in LA being fun is not enough, you gotta win big too, and D’Antoni can’t win big. He’s not the bad coach people make him to be, but he’s not the genius people make him to be either.

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  • Cortez Mack

    What is the “surprise” here?

    Philosophically, D’Antoni DOES NOT LIKE ISO POST UPS!

    He has said a MILLION times that it is the WORST offensive play to run. I am looking at his book on offensive tactics right now. he absolutely hates it.

    This is never going to work.

  • RunNGun

    Best thing to happen to the Lakers was hiring The Pringles Man; problem is he’s got all the wrong people to run the offense. Once he gets his guys, you Lakers fans will see exciting basketball like the ’06 Phoenix Suns teams ran by The Pringles Man.

  • urriah

    i’m still unhappy with dantonis systems lack of wins >.<

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