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Monday, February 24th, 2014 at 9:00 am  |  150 responses

Post Up: Jason Collins Debuts

A historic night in L.A., and the Heat win without LeBron.

by Jay Wallis | @JayWallis11

 Clippers 125 (38-20), Thunder 117 (43-14)

Kevin Durant (42 points, 10 assists) might have put on another show, but Jamal Crawford (36 points, 13-20 from the field) hit the big-time buckets when his team needed it most. Durant got the first 40-point, 10-assist game of his career, playing the role of facilitator early on. He had 4 assists in the first quarter. The Clippers, though, would go on to score 44 points in the 2nd quarter and take a 72-66 lead into halftime. Matt Barnes (24 points, 7 rebounds) made back-to-back 3-pointers to start the game and remained a threat from deep all night. He finished with a season-high 6 3-pointers. Blake Griffin (20 points, 7 rebounds, 6 assists) and Chris Paul (18 points, 12 assists, 8 rebounds) both somewhat flirted with triple-doubles and combined to shoot 8-8 on free throws down the stretch. When these two weren’t knocking down free throws, Crawford was taking and making tough shots. The is the Thunder’s season-high for points given up in a game as they have lost two games in a row coming out of the All-Star Break. OKC just couldn’t slow down the Clippers’ rapid pace, as L.A. had a 34-17 advantage in fast break points. They shot 13-14 from the field when in transition. The Clippers are now 24-0 when they knock down at least 9 3-pointers.

Heat 93 (40-14), Bulls 79 (29-26)

No LeBron, no problem. With LeBron James sitting out due to a broken nose, Chris Bosh (28 points, 10 rebounds) and Dwyane Wade (23 points, 10 rebounds, 7 assists) took control of the game and put it away in the 3rd quarter. The Heat outscored Chicago 25-12 during these 12 minutes and led 65-52. After a Wade layup 3 1/2 minutes into the 4th quarter, Miami led by a game-high 19 points. The team would lead by double-digits the rest of the way. Greg Oden (5 points, 5 rebounds) started for the first time since December 5, 2009. Big men Joakim Noah (20 points, 15 rebounds) and Taj Gibson (20 points, 10 rebounds) each put up double-doubles but without Jimmy Butler (ribs), the Bulls just didn’t have enough playmakers to put up points against the athletic Heat defenders. D.J. Augustin (2 points, 5 assists, 0-10 from the field) had one of his worst games as a Bull, failing to find his touch for 36 minutes of playing time. The Heat forced the Bulls into seven—count ‘em, seven—24-second shot-clock violations, as Chicago lacked much ball movement. James will now get the chance to rest until the Heat’s next game against the Knicks (21-35) Thursday night.

Wizards 96 (28-28), Cavaliers 83 (22-35)

Winners of now three games in a row, Washington got big games from John Wall (21 points, 9 assists, 1 turnover) and Bradley Beal (17 points, 5 rebounds), a small backcourt that is really starting to mesh. Their Wizards went on a 12-0 run midway through the 1st quarter and never lost the lead the rest of the way. After a six-game winning streak, the Cavs have now lost two straight. During these two losses, Kyrie Irving (15 points, 5 assists, 5 rebounds) is shooting 9-33 (27 percent) from the field. Sunday night, the Cavs could only manage 31 points in the 2nd half and 11 points in the final 12 minutes. The Wizards were able to hold down the Cavs in the 4th quarter without Nene (8 points, 4 rebounds, 4 assists), who left in the 3rd quarter with a sprained left knee. Luol Deng (17 points, 7 rebounds) and the Cavs went into the game with plenty of injured players as Anderson Varejao (back), Dion Waiters (knee) and CJ Miles (ankle) all didn’t play. Cleveland stuck around for the majority of the first three quarters, but the Wizards took control in the 4th quarter thanks to an 11-3 run over the course of five minutes. Marcin Gortat (13 points, 13 rebounds) added a double-double while his team had a 26-15 advantage in assists. In his second game since joining the Cavs, Spencer Hawes (16 points, 12 rebounds, 4 assists) had a double-double as well.

Raptors 105 (31-25), Magic 90 (17-41)

The Raptors have had the Magic’s number of late, winning the last six matchups. Kyle Lowry (28 points, 6 assists, 4 rebounds, season-high 7 turnovers) and the Raptors came out of halftime firing away, outscoring the Magic 36-24 in the 3rd quarter. Lowry scored 17 of his points in the quarter while Tobias Harris (28 points, 6 rebounds, 10-15 from the field) only had two of his points. Lowry and DeMar DeRozan (24 points) combined to shoot 9-9 from the field and 4-4 on 3-pointers during the 3rd quarter. E’Twaun Moore (16 points) and the Magic trailed by double-digits the rest of the way. The Raptors shot 52.3 percent from the field while holding the Magic to only 41.4 percent shooting. Led by Amir Johnson (12 points, 8 rebounds) and Jonas Valanciunas (7 points, 9 rebounds), the Raptors had seven players with at least 4 rebounds as the team outrebounded Orlando 50-32. Toronto overcame 23 turnovers by shooting the ball so well. The Raptors are now three wins away from matching their win total from last season. 

Kings 109 (20-36), Nuggets 95 (25-30)

The new Kings big 3—Isaiah Thomas (33 points, 6 assists, 4-5 on 3-pointers), Rudy Gay (32 points, 11 rebounds) and DeMarcus Cousins (27 points, 9 rebounds, 5 assists, 5 blocks)—had quite possibly their best overall game since coming together. Thomas controlled the pace, Gay had his jump shot going and Cousins controlled the paint. They also combined to shoot 32-55 from the field (58.2 percent). Along with Derrick Williams (2 points, 2 rebounds), if the Kings can keep these four players, that is a young core that has potential to make the Kings much greater than the worst team in the West. Kenneth Faried (10 points, 6 rebounds) and Timofey Mozgov (6 points, 4 rebounds) scored 15 of the first 17 points for the Nuggets, as they held a 17-12 lead. Evan Fournier (27 points, 5 assists, 4 rebounds) then went on to score 12 of the next 15 points for Denver to end the quarter. The 2nd quarter featured more scoring from Fournier as the Nuggets took a 52-48 lead into halftime. Then the Kings took over. Despite Randy Foye (27 points, 6-11 on 3-pointers) heating up for 14 3rd quarter points, the rest of his team only managed 4 points during the 12 minutes. Led by their big 3, the Kings poured on 39 points, taking an 87-70 lead into the final quarter and putting it away for good. The Kings overcame 15 3-pointers from the Nuggets by incessantly attacking the paint, leading to 30-36 free throw shooting. In his second game with the Nuggets, Aaron Brooks (9 points, 8 assists) fit fairly well into Brian Shaw’s system, but the team has now lost seven of their last eight games—with their lone win coming against the Bucks.

Nets 108 (26-28), Lakers 102 (19-37)

After being signed this morning, Jason Collins (2 rebound, 5 fouls) entered the game against the injury-ridden Lakers with 10:28 left in the 2nd quarter. Throughout his career, he has done the little things well, such as setting solid screens, boxing out and committing hard fouls. Even though he looked rusty, he found a way to do many of these things Sunday night. If he can continue to do this during the duration of his 10-day contract, Brooklyn might keep him around. Paul Pierce (25 points, 7 rebounds, 4 assists, 4-7 on 3-pointers) and Deron Williams (season-high 30 points, 7 assists, 6 steals, 11-13 on free throws) looked liked the players they were a few years ago, being forces offensively. Pau Gasol (22 points, 11 rebounds) is still somehow wearing purple and yellow and led the Lakers Sunday night. Jodie Meeks (19 points) shot the ball well while Kent Bazemore (17 points) has shown he will be much more for the Lakers than a good celebrator on the bench. He seems to fit well into Mike D’Antoni’s system. Nick Young (10 points, 19 minutes) played for the first time since February 5. With Kevin Garnett resting, Andrei Kirilenko (10 points, 10 rebounds, season-high 4 steals) took advantage of his extended minutes, getting his first double-double of the season. Pierce and Kirilenko scored the first 7 points of the game as Brooklyn jumped out to a 33-21 lead by the end of the 1st quarter and led wire-to-wire the rest of the way. The Lakers actually shot better from the field, had more points in the paint and had more fast break points. But the Nets shot 12-25 (48.0 percent) on 3-pointers and 24-32 (75.0 percent) on free throws. They also had a 28-17 advantage in assists. Marcus Thornton (food poisoning) still hasn’t played for Brooklyn since being traded to the team before the deadline. With the win, the Nets moved from eighth to sixth in the East and are a game back of the Wizards for the five seed.

Rockets 115 (38-18), Suns 112 (33-22)

Patrick Beverley (20 points, 3 steals) played the role of hero for the Rockets, knocking down the go-ahead 3-pointer with 34.3 seconds left in the game that gave Houston a 111-110 lead. After Goran Dragic (career-high 35 points, 14-20 from the field) made a lefty layup with 14.7 seconds to go, there was a controversial play at the free throw line. The Suns fouled Donatas Motiejunas (7 points, 5 rebounds) to send him to the line for two free throws. After Motiejunas hit the first one, as he began his motion to shoot his second, Dwight Howard (25 points, 9 rebounds, 2 blocks) took two or three steps over the line…and didn’t step back. Even though the referees usually don’t call lane violations, especially late in the game, this one was egregious enough that it should have been called. The Rockets still had a phenomenal final seven minutes, going on a 26-14 run during this span. Scoring 26 points in seven minutes is the definition of explosive. Beverley also scored 12 of his 20 points during his team’s blitz to the end of the game. James Harden (23 points, 7 assists, 5 rebounds, 9-9 on free throws) was up to his normal tricks, getting into the lane and getting to the free throw line. Gerald Green (23 points) and Markieff Morris (21 points, 7 rebounds) gave Dragic some support on his career night, but it wasn’t enough dow the stretch. The Rockets controlled the interior, outscoring the Suns 64-42 in the paint. Houston is now two games behind San Antonio for the two seed in the West.

Blazers 108 (38-18), Timberwolves 97 (27-29)

Damian Lillard (32 points, 5 assists, 11-17 from the field) recorded his 13th 30-point game of his career and the eighth this season. Being without teammate LaMarcus Aldridge (groin) for the third straight game, Lillard was the offensive force all night long with Ricky Rubio (5 points, 11 assists) and the rest of the Wolves guards unable to contain him. Kevin Love (31 points, 10 rebounds) had a team-record fifth straight game with at least 30 points…but he only had offensive support from JJ Barea (21 points, 4-8 on 3-pointers). Even though he was without teammates Nikola Pekovic (ankle) and Kevin Martin (thumb) Sunday night, Love still has had too many games this year with only one or two players being a viable option on the offensive end of the floor. Dante Cunningham (12 points, 6 rebounds) was the only other Timberwolves player that scored in double-figures. Lillard had plenty of support from Nicolas Batum (22 points, 10 rebounds, 4 assists, 3 blocks), Wes Matthews (17 points, 3-6 on 3-pointers) and Thomas Robinson (14 points, career-high 18 rebounds). Robinson’s play down low sparked a second-half comeback for Portland. After two Barea free throws with 5:16 left in the 2nd quarter, Minnesota led 52-34. The Blazers went on to cut the deficit to 8 points by halftime and then outscored the Wolves 32-20 in the 3rd quarter. Minnesota only managed 3 fast break points on the night, compared to 19 for the Blazers.

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  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    good for the NBA. and Collins comes in, gets 5 fouls in 10 minutes, and still finished a +7 on the game! what a Jason Collins-esque performance

  • i_ball

    I know it is a big deal but should it be? To me Oden starting again is a better story. KD and Crawford put on a show last night. And Jason Collins gets to be in the post up title.

    The whole point of being tolerant to different races/sexes/people with different sexual orientation is to treat them as equal. If he wasn’t gay nobody would have even noticed…

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    it’s a huge deal and it should be.
    .
    if society as a whole were more accepting, and our history as people didn’t include such an egregious amount of discrimination, then no, this shouldn’t be a big deal. but just like when Jackie Robinson broke the color barrier, this is a big deal. Should there have been a barrier for Jackie Robinson to cross? no…but there was. So we should celebrate when those walls start to come down.

  • i_ball

    Your point is totally valid. Maybe I have wishful thinking more than a realistic one when it comes to discrimination.
    Hopefully this will stop being a big deal soon, as thankfully is the case with black players.

  • spit hot fiyah

    did anyone see the kings vs nuggets game? can some please explain how mozgov managed to shoot the ball 15 times in 19 minutes

  • guest

    so if someone comes out as open necrophiliac should we celebrate that too? where does the line go for what we should celebrate and what we should reject in the public space?

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    yeah that’s what i’m hoping for. as D_France said on another page, this should (be) turn into a complete non issue, but in the mean time, we should at the very least, celebrate the steps that get us there.

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    the line stops right before your stupid ass question.

  • guest

    great rebuttal. the same question regarding a homosexual would have been considered stupid just a few decades ago. so if necrophiliacs start lobbying for their rights and they are accepted into the society in let’s say 20 years should the people celebrate it then because a portion of the society accepts it?

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    you are comparing being homosexual with being attracted to corpses. let’s just leave it like this, being homosexual is a part of life that a person is likely to deal with on a regular basis, so learning how to accept and normalize that reality is logical.
    .
    an average person is probably never going to run across a necrophiliac, so as it goes with all the other implicit problems with that disorder, we don’t need to normalize and accept it as a part of everyday life.

  • bike

    Not a Jackie Robinson moment IMO. Not even close. Can’t hide skin color; can keep sexual preference to one’s self.

  • guest

    yes now it is some parts of the world (dealing with homosexuality), but it didn’t used to be that way. it is way more wide spread now.

    that doesn’t mean that it should be normalized and accepted. if u say that it should be normalized and accepted, then WHAT IF necrophilia or some other sexual (or other type of) disorder is going to become as prevalent as homosexuality is today?

    according to you at that point we should celebrate it based on what u said. homosexuality was considered a psychological disorder only a few decades ago by leading psychologists and you have no idea where our society is heading in let’s say 30 years (they can remove necrophilia, which i’m using as an extreme example, from all the books) when it comes to other disorders. therefor my original question stands: where does the line go?

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    “yes now it is some parts of the world (dealing with homosexuality), but it didn’t used to be that way. it is way more wide spread now.”

    - lol, it’s always been that way. it just was not openly admitted, because of discrimination. now it is, because we as a society have gained knowledge and understanding.
    .
    - homosexuality is not a disorder. it is natural among mammals (w/ a higher % among primates and sea mammals).
    .
    - homosexuality was diagnosed as a disorder at first. when “leading psychologists” were about as educated on psychology as college freshman are today.

    do you know when homosexuality was removed as a disorder? 1974.
    .
    please, do some research. you are incredibly ignorant.

  • brothasdontsurf

    My best wishes to Marcus Thornton, I’m sure he’s been having to take some of the worst dumps he’ll ever take in his life and I hope he can power through it.

  • guest

    why are u automatically assuming that we as a society have gained knowledge and understanding. we could be going backwards with a lot of issues. just because we live today don’t mean that we know best. again, people living 40 years from now will probably think that they know better than us and if they accept something that we today consider sick then who is correct?

    so animals can’t have disorder?

    college freshmen are arguably less educated today than they were in the 70′s, if u are not aware of the deterioration of the educational institutions u should be that fast to call someone else ignorant.

  • pposse

    if it was completely genetic then you know if one identical twin is gay then the other one should be as well since they have identical genes, but alas, that is only true in less than 10% of the cases.

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    sure, if you know nothing about genetics.
    .
    sharing the same DNA, and that same DNA being activated the exact same is different. it’s called “epigenetics” google it.

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    lol in what ways has society regressed? and what makes you think that in 40 years people won’t know better than us?
    .
    did i say animals can’t have disorders? homosexuality is not a disorder…you may personally classify it as a disorder, but the world doesn’t revolve around you, so your opinion on that matter is irrelevant….
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    college freshman are arguably less educated? lol, where does that argument exist?

  • lol

    I want to up vote this so many times.

  • guest

    Let’s stick within the realm of reality. You’re weird hypothetical only exists in your bizarre mind you sicko

  • guest

    Right and people had to/have to hide their sexuality even now. We’ve made progress and that’s what the Collins situation shows. It’s emblematic of our societies progression.

  • guest

    Nobody is talking about necrophilia except you. The issue is homosexuality exclusively. Stay focused.

  • guest

    You’re comparing a sexual perversion whereby an individual has intercourse with a dead body to two consenting adults’ feelings of intimacy and love. It’s key that gay rights isn’t just about sex, it’s about love.

  • pposse

    none of that is supported with data

  • JJ Jones

    Chris bosh balling again when lebron sits out so underrated. The heat are 9-1 all time when james sits out yet it doesnt hurt his mvp candidacy hmm

  • JJ Jones

    Damn chris bosh has hit 3 game winners when hes the first option for miami and people say hes not a top 3 pf lol. Hes arguably better than ever.

  • LakeShow

    Best point guards this season: (injury biased)

    Curry
    Wall
    Paul
    Lillard
    Dragic
    Lowry
    Lawson
    Westbrook

    What a weird list.

    What is SHOULD look like:

    Paul
    Rose
    Westbrook
    Curry
    Wall
    Lillard
    Lowry
    Dragic
    Lawson

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    Lol there is not support for epicene tics then there is for your argument. You are basically saying all identical twins should prefer all the exact same stuff. For example, There are identical twins with different allergies, how does your theory hold up when you factor in all the other variables? It doesn’t.

  • guestest

    rondo? idiot

  • spit hot fiyah

    that’s exactly my point. if u assume that people will know better than us 40 years from now and they come to the conclusion that something u say is wrong is actually right then how can u even know that u are right about something? it becomes totally nihilistic at the end and your arguments become arbitrary.

    “but the world doesn’t revolve around you, so your opinion on that matter is irrelevant….” then the same would apply to you and then what is the point of discussing anything at all.

    are u serious about that last point? just look at something as simple as reading comprehension. high schoolers were using way more advanced books in the early 1900′s than what college students are today. read up on john taylor gatto

  • pposse

    no im not saying all identical twins should prefer the same stuff, but if i was then isn’t it safe to say that atleast 85% of identical twins would share the same sexuality? How about 50%? But see the numbers are more like 10% or maybe 20% tops. Those numbers are support for the claim.
    I believe allergies can be developed over time, so in your example i dont think allergies are a genetic issue.

  • guest

    i’m only bringing it up as an example that’s all, don’t take it literal. for some people homosexuality is completely unacceptable, that’s why i’m using an extreme that i’m sure sure will be completely unacceptable to someone that accepts homosexuality. i’m only using it to try to prove a point.

  • blue

    So we’re just going to ignore the sexually agressive promiscuity that plagues gay males? As if the CDC and WHO data we have on certain disease transmissions don’t exist? The West, for all of the freedom of information and health awareness campaigns, has a homsexual population that allows its disease transmission rates tp nearly remsemble the third World. Don’t try to romanticize homosexuality. It may not be completely abnormal but it is still an alternative sexuality that serves no biologic function. Most gay men don’t want love in the same sence we do. That having been said, I don’t support discrimimation against them. Legal protection shouldn’t even be an issue.

  • LakeShow

    Thank you so much for your cordial response. Let me edit that for you. F*ck stick.

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    If I’m wrong in 40 years then I’m wrong in 40 years. I can only go by the information I have at the moment. .
    The same wouldn’t apply to me, I’m telling you homosexuality is not classified as a disorder, and hasn’t been for 40 years. The disorder argument is outdated. This is like you trying to argue the world is flat, you can believe it all you want, but nobody else does or has to. If your opinion differs from the popular and agreed upon one, good for you, but without actual evidence, your opinion is irrelevant. .
    Lol the “difficulty of books” is your argument? Seriously, stop guessing and find an actual logical argument to support what you are saying. There is simply a much larger portion of society enrolled in higher education, you can’t honestly make a “but the books were harder” argument and expect a serious response. That’s some false equivalence if I have ever heard it.

  • LakeShow

    I love watching D-Wade when he is the man instead of playing off of the 3 time MVP.

    That 9-1 figure is interesting.

  • see

    All that said, there isn’t a single reputable genticist with support in the scientific community to prove the existence of a ‘homosexual gene’. It’s not in your DNA. Many have suspected a biologic component with regard to estrogen levels in amniotic fluids, but there is no scientific proof of genetic homosexual inclination. It’s important to note that. Not saying it’s a choice, but it isn’t genetic.

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    At least 95% of all identical twins do share the same sexual preference……they are heterosexual. Here is an excerpt from a study conducted in 1991,
    “We found 52 percent of identical twin brothers of gay men also were gay, compared with 22 percent of fraternal twins, compared with 11 percent of genetically unrelated brothers,” said J. Michael Bailey, an assistant professor of psychology at Northwestern University in Evanston, “which is exactly the kind of pattern you would want to see if something genetic were going on.”

  • http://bit.ly/1ekQBIB SirGrey

    Houston looks better built for the playoffs than GS and LAC, in my opinion. The west is a toss up, can’t wait to see how the match ups play out. This is what I got:
    OKC in 6 over rockets > OKC in 7 over clippers, HOU in 7 over spurs> OKC in 4 over dallas, HOU in 7 over warriors, LAC in 6 over blazers, SA in 5 over suns > OKC, HOU, LAC, SA, GS, DAL, POR, PHX.
    I say this is SA’s last push.

    I feel for Love. Kevin Martin has gotten so horrible since his 20+ PPG days. I hated him on OKC last year. He needs an actual scorer, not a shooter, to relieve pressure.
    Dragic alone could steal a game come playoff time, I love his game. Top 10 PG this year, he’s had a chip on his shoulder.
    Bosh showing what he can do with LeBron’s absence. Call me crazy but I think Wade’s injuries are being overblown. He’s definitely on a decline but I could see why the organization would want to give him all this rest he could get. I think he’s fine.
    Let’s bring the conversation back. Wall or Irving ? Kyrie has been playing like he just doesn’t care anymore. He’s miserable and needs to affect the game in different ways. Wall does more with less as far as scoring prowess and he never let his team affect his play or mood that much in his early seasons. Then again I haven’t seen many Cavs or Wiz games this year, but I can’t be that off.
    Portland is the real deal, but still young. They are gonna get some games here and there in front of their home crowd in the postseason but I think they’ll be exposed. Batum and Matthews have to keep it up to prove me wrong, they’ve really been the story for me in regards to that squad. GS is too inconsistent. Bogut and Iggy will do their thing but I’ve never been a fan of streaky players. Curry and Klay get numbers but I still don’t see them as bonafide scorers. A player like Harden is more valuable (obvious) come playoff time. Both Curry and Harden are predictable yet unstoppable. Curry has to polish more.
    Kings big 3 (4) looks very promising, they understand each other very well.
    Nets are making the Knicks look bad right now. The Heat have no remorse for Chicago’s consistently sh*tty offense.

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    Not yet, but supposedly they are getting close, for example, http://m.washingtontimes.com/news/2014/feb/14/being-gay-may-be-dna-researchers-say/

  • LakeShow

    I agree with a lot of what you said here.

    But disagree on a couple things. One, Curry’s scoring prowess. He needs to polish, but so does 95% of the L.

    Anyone who can shoot from anywhere within the half court line at above 40% and averages 24ppg is a bonafide scorer.

    Also, with Portland, I don’t get how you can say “Portland is the real deal” and then follow that up with: “I think they’ll be exposed.”

    I think because of the fact that they can be exposed, they are not the real deal.

  • guestest

    why do you have to be rude? omg idiot

  • guest

    yes more people in higher education, but that doesn’t mean that the quality of education is higher. my point was that reading comprehension is down amongst people enrolled in higher education. really, taylor gatto has some really good stuff. u might not like him or agree with all his positions but he has some really good insights into schooling

    “The disorder argument is outdated.” not for everyone

    ” If your opinion differs from the popular and agreed upon one, good for
    you, but without actual evidence, your opinion is irrelevant. .” what exactly is agreed upon in this case? there is no consensus across the board on this issue. maybe in certain sectors. but if that is the case there can be consensus to the opposite in other sectors

    “but without actual evidence, your opinion is irrelevant. .” your opinion is just as irrelevant if that is the case and again, what’s the point of even arguing about it?

  • LakeShow

    Don’t have to. Chose to based upon the frame work you set for our conversation. Sh*t brains.

  • shutup

    Being homosexual isn’t a disorder, the comparison as NBK is trying to say is a stupid one.

  • shutup

    Wheres Parker?

  • see

    The article detailed exactly what I told you in my previous comment. 1. There is no gay gene. 2. There is possible evidence of a biologic component. 3. Even this research group’s findings were challenged. 4. No one is suggesting homosexuality is a choice. 5. It’s important to really understand all aspects of what we read, and the agenda of the researchers. The study basically reinterated what other studies have hinted at. It didn’t really get “closer” to finding a gay gene.

  • guest

    my point was to use an extreme sexual behavior that i was sure u would find unacceptable, not to equate the two

  • http://bit.ly/1ekQBIB SirGrey

    Okay, I got you.
    Curry is a very big scoring threat and cannot be sagged off for a second even. 5 years ago I would’ve called him a top 10 player straight off of his ability to light you up any given night but as I’ve gotten older I’ve become a fan of efficiency. I just couldn’t rely on him to give me 20 for 7 straight postseason games with a guy like Kahwi webbing him up and locking in. The streakiness and turnovers are a problem. His ball handling is overrated in my opinion. I’d like to see more good low shooting games. Something around 11-16 once in a while. Too much heat checking. Maybe he’s just getting too comfortable and it’ll change come playoff time. I consider him more a shooter. Maybe Im used to more physicality and willpower from scorers.
    Portland is the real deal like OKC was when they lost to LAL in the first round that year. Their experience and depth will be exposed.

  • JJ Jones

    its a shame how wade and especially bosh become so underrated just to prop up lebrons legacy. People need to realize that its ok to give them credit it doesnt take anything away from lebron.

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    That’s fair, my bad, I misunderstood what you were saying. My argument is that homosexuality is natural, it is not a disease or a disorder. I’m not a scientist or doctor, i apologize for not totally understanding the genetic side of this discussion.

  • jeff

    People have to? Really? Hiding is a choice. I can appreciate the struggle of being gay in a not so tolerant society, but your argument is the same one people use to dismiss the plight of women like Collins’ fiance. But she’s straight, and it’s her fault he felt oppressed into wasting years of her life? Let’s keep things in perspective here. Social backlash isn’t an excuse to use others to hide yoir own self hate. There are people in this world being killed because of there ethnicity and religion. I empathize woth the gay plight, but the need to “hide” is outdated.

  • pposse

    yeah man im starting to worry the Rockets have a legit at the wcf and the finals now

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    It’s 7-1, and that’s over just the last 2 years. He’s missed more than 10 games since joining the Heat

  • see

    No need to apologize. I understand where you are coming from. The main issue is that there is data enough to dismiss the notion of homosexuality being unnatural.

  • JML-G

    Oden starting seems way more important than wack ass Collins “debuting”.. times like these i really hate the media – race or sexuality suddenly doesnt make u special in sports smh.. inb4 all extremely washed up vets decide they gonna be gay

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    Yes, lol, that!

  • Max

    Don’t forget about Memphis they might slip in there.

  • Max

    Free the Boshtrish!!!

  • http://bit.ly/1ekQBIB SirGrey

    Yeah, no doubt, I agree. I’m predicting from the standings today. I feel for Z-bo and Marc as my favorite PF/C tandem in the league. They’re too good to be wasting their good years for an organization that doesn’t care about building good teams.

  • spit hot fiyah

    memphis san antonio could get really interesting if san antonio is not 100% healthy

  • Guest

    Self hate comes from outside influences. When your parents will disown you if you’re gay that tends to lead to hiding your true self. Why do you think suicide is so high among gay teens? Because they’re ashamed and shouldn’t be. The need to hide is not outdated. You are not living in reality if you think that. Try living in the South or in Utah.

  • http://bit.ly/1ekQBIB SirGrey

    That ‘it’ factor in James Harden.
    They have a great rotation with Lin coming off the bench to be aggressive. Parsons could slide over to that 4 if they ever really need to stretch and Terrence Jones isn’t doing his thing. I think Chandler could even be the main guy on a borderline playoff team. He’s that good. Only worry I’d have for a Houston fan is Hack-a-Dwight and Asik on the line. Never relied on Asik ever since he missed those 2 FT’s down the stretch against Philly in the playoffs for the series.

  • guest

    Sexually aggressive promiscuity is a feature of too many males, it isn’t a gay phenomenon. When you have two men in a relationship it’s even worse. Lesbians are the least likely to cheat on their partner and do not fit your promiscuous title. Plus, peoples’ promiscuity is none of your business and no grounds for your puritan judgement.

  • guest

    Well why don’t you tell us the line? I’m sure gay people that are in love now would like for you to let them know whether they’ve crossed the line.

  • guest

    Reading comprehension is different than morality. In the early 1900s women weren’t allowed to vote. Interracial marriage was illegal in many places. American had just come out of slavery and was still deeply segregated and racist. Gay people had to suffer (and make their spouse suffer) in phony marriages. Our collective morality was absolutely horrible. We’ve undeniably improved morally.

    But yeah we could stand some improvement in reading comprehension.

  • guest

    Not even comparable situations. It’s not an extreme case that is relevant, it is an entirely unrelated and irresponsible comparison.

  • Slick Ric

    Stop comparing Jackie Robinson to this BS, man. Its insulting, no matter what any of you homosexual apologist say, Homosexual=Degenerate. Blacks being discriminated against does not justify their behavior what so ever.

  • guest

    How does homosexual=degenerate? Since what Slick Ric says goes after all.

  • Slick Ric

    Homosexuals cant reproduce, so you’re killing off your Bloodline/DNA, thus making it self-destructive. Any self-destructive behavior is degenerate IMO.

  • guest

    Right because we’re in severe danger of being underpopulated. So people who can’t have kids are degenerates? Or people who choose not to? As for the idea of self destructive behavior…it all equates to a a bunch of degenerates? Smokers? Drinkers? People who eat fatty foods? Or don’t exercise? Or stress too much? They’re all degenerates? Man that’s an awesome outlook you have there. You disgrace the great Slick Rick the Ruler.

  • JJ Jones

    2nd best or best pf in my opinion(aldrige cant hit 3s and love doesnt defend)

  • Slick Ric

    Scientifically, all of those people are indeed degenerates. Would you encourage people to Drink, Smoke, not exercise while eating fatty foods and stress out too much?????????? So why would you encourage homosexual behavior?

  • LakeShow

    Thank you.

  • guest

    Homosexuals need no encouragement, it is part of their existence. It’s their reality. So no I wouldn’t encourage or discourage homosexuality.

    And a degenerate is someone lacking in moral character, as I would characterize you based on your outlook. So welcome to the degenerate club. Or to degenerate means to decline physically, mentally, or MORALLY. So technically, yes, those people (and I am one of them because of alcohol and formerly cigarettes) are technically degenerates but the only ones that are not inherently degenerates are homosexuals. Their existence does not involve an inherent physical or mental decline and morality is subjective.

    So find another word other than degenerate, or at least stop acting like it is an objective truth.

  • bike

    Actually, when the American Psychiatric Association (APA) removed homosexuality from the list of mental illnesses in ’74, it wasn’t based on scientific evidence. It was because the gay community has acquired enough political clout to kick up a major fuss. Still, the scientific community has never been able to point at any one thing, mental or biological, that determines sexual orientation. The best they can tell right now, is that it is determined by a complex interaction of many factors.

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    they placed it on the list of mental illness without scientific evidence in the first place bike. the scientific community has done more to show that homosexuality is natural, then it has to show that it is an illness or disorder.

  • Slick Ric

    Morality is indeed subjective, so degenerate is perfect to describe their behavior, that’s being considerate.

  • guest

    Ok. That’s your perspective. At least you admit that it isn’t an inherent truth. Is that the only reason it really gets to you? Just the reproduction thing? That’s crazy dude. I’ll never understand why anyone cares that people are gay.

  • see

    Homosexual does not equal infertile. They can reproduce, just not with each other. Heterosexuals who voluntarily choose not to reproduce, or those who cannot by infertility are degenerates too, according by your logic. The Earth is overpopulated anyway. Humans are wrecking this planet. Perhaps homosexuality is nature’s way of slowing the virus that we’ve become to our planet.

  • Slick Ric

    I obviously don’t agree with it, but I don’t care honestly, what pisses me off is gays trying to use Blacks as pawns in their struggle. Stop comparing Black people(pre civil-rights) and their struggle to yours, its not equivalent.

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    oh man. first of all, nobody said being gay is = to being black. it’s just an analogy, it’s a group of people that are/were discriminated against for reasons beyond their control. that’s as far as the comparison goes.
    .
    you can view homosexuality as degenerate all you want, but it’s not a choice. it’s as normal among humans as it is among otters. it’s natural, the occurrence of homosexuality is an unavoidable part of life.

  • guest

    Ok, well it’s not really a competition is it? I’m just coming from the perspective that racism is bad and so is homophobia.

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    what that i’m saying is stupid?

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    “my point was that reading comprehension is down amongst people enrolled in higher education”

    - ok? even if that were true (i cannot find any evidence that it is) that really doesn’t mean they are “more” educated. there are other ways to learn then by just reading a book.

    —- regarding John Taylor Gatto, do you even know what his argument is? because it’s not about education having regressed over time. it’s that the school system since it’s inception has been flawed.

    here is a direct quote from one of his speeches,
    “Our form of compulsory schooling is an invention of the state of Massachusetts around 1850″

    so again, please do some research.
    ______________________________________________

    idk, you replied to me. if you didn’t want to argue, don’t hit reply. just comment on your own.

  • blue

    Don’t let your little crusade dismiss facts. 1. Sexual aggression is much more common amongst gays. Even if most men on earth were, women provide that necessary balance. There is zero denying the superiority of male/female compatibility as it pertains to the entire species. Secondly, due to both safer sexual practices by biology and choice, female homosexuality, while not proliferative, is safer. Promiscuity is the public’s problem when public health is taken as lightly as too many male homosexuals do. There is no reason for new infections to be at the levels they are when we have access to all of the information we do. Hep B, syphillis, HIV etc, are all of our business. Puritan judgement is what you reduce this too? I can’t take you serious. Btw, I work in the health field. This has nothing to do with anything remotely religious. I didn’t even care about the issue until I realized that we are ignoring a lot for the sake of political correctness.

  • jeff

    You ever been to Atlanta? Gayest place on earth. Austin? Dallas? Pretty gay cities. You are a bit putdated in your views on the south. There isn’t an excuse for what a lot of these closeted do. Sleeping around with men behind some poor lady’s back is unforgivable. Other groups faced wprse discrimination for factors they didn’t have the luxury of hiding. I see teens being brave enough to say “this is who I am”. A grown man doesn’t have to destroy lives in order to cope.

  • Saleem Rainman

    i dont got Wall that high, at all. IMO he isnt the best pg in the East, thats been Lowry.

  • DeMacksBack

    Thoughts on Bazemore’s couple of games with the Lakers?

  • i_ball

    I can’t believe we are having this discussion in the 21st century. Does being gay make you a better or worse human being or as is the case a better or worse basketball player?
    No! It has nothing to do with what type of person you are.

    Even if what you say is true (which to a certain degree I believe) keep in mind that the gay people even in the US are not educated about gay sexual health, so maybe that is the root cause. So maybe that is the root cause.

  • i_ball

    The only time I had a problem with Jason Collins being gay is when he said that he isn’t getting a contract because of it. That was just not OK.

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    yeah, i actually don’t like how Jason Collins handled this at all. i thought he brought it up because it was a good way to remain relevant. but i also understand the gravity of his situation, and think we should celebrate anytime discrimination loses a battle.

  • guest

    You might be right on the first point I shouldn’t generalize, but that’s inconsequential. It’s funny that you blame the person who thinks they have to hide who they are rather than the stigma attached to who they are. I know teens who have been brave enough to say who they are and their family cut them out of their lives. Can you really blame them for wanting to avoid that?

  • JJ Jones

    I.think.the spurs are done to be honest theyve never made.back to.back finals.for a reason

  • JJ Jones

    I was sold.on portland and.have thought them to be a fluke all along. They have no bench cant defend and were hitting threes at an abnormal rate. Imo theyre a first round exit.waiting to.happen

  • guest

    More common among gay men. Not lesbians. Don’t cut out the people that you find inconvenient to your little crusade. It isn’t gayness that’s the problem, it’s men. Start a crusade against men.

    As for the idea of the superiority of male/female compatibility, that does not matter in the slightest. There is no importance whatsoever in your trying to argue a superior relationship situation. People are gay, and we are arguing that people need to stop resisting or trying to change that reality. See the world how it is, not how you wish it were. You know what relationships are superior? The ones people choose to be in rather than are forced in to.

    And if you’re so worried about public health then promote condom use. It isn’t their gayness that is the problem, it’s unprotected sex.

  • JJ Jones

    He cod just be saying that just to ensure a roster spot…

  • blue

    If you can dowload anonymous gay sex apps, you can Google safe sex practices. Period. I never said being gay made anyone a bad person. Never even insinuated it. You shouldn’t be surprised at a conversation about sexual health in 2014. It’s time to address some not so PC facts about Western male homosexual behavior.

  • guest

    Ok so you’re pushing for more awareness about the problems of unprotected sex. I’m with you on that point. This is a public health argument right?

  • davidR

    its only 2 games, but whatchu think of the baze god so far?

  • blue

    Do you know what you’re talking about? You clearly missed the point about lesbians, so I’ll give you a chance to re-read amd comprehend before I criticize you on that issue. Data seems to be an inconvenient truth for you. Do you know what the riskiest form of sex is according to the CDC? Homosexual anal sex. So yes, reckless male sexual behavior is a catalyst for disease spreading, but homosexual sex amongst men is the most dangerous. Condom use for all sexually active adults is necessary, but you know which group routinely neglects it? You guessed it. Like I said, you can be PC all you want, but I’m on the front lines. No one is advocating trying to change people from being gay, but Western gay culture needs to seriously address the health issue. Working in the ER didn’t change my perceptions of the gay male community for the better.

  • davidR

    as a dubs fan living in the bay, the dubs dont really have an offensive system. they rely way too much on curry creating a lot, and david lee posting up. everything else is improvised or forced.

    part of it is cuz they are really hurting from losing jarrett jack. he really stabilized that offense. we’ll see how blake fills in, but if all goes well, curry can focus more on shooting than doing ita ll.

    i def agree tho, curry’s turnovers drive me nuts. they’re almost always unforced

  • guest

    I restated the lesbian point because I want to highlight that your problem is with gay male sexuality, in particular. It isn’t homosexuality in general. And you and I are are not arguing about your main points: condom use among gay men is the lower than that of straight couples. And yes homosexual anal sex is the most likely to spread disease. and there is more promiscuity. We are not disagreeing about that. We’ve all seen the same statistics. I’m just arguing that their promiscuity has more to do with the fact that they are male than that they are gay.

    Remember that you came into a conversation where I was chastising someone for making a comparison between necrophilia and homosexuality. Are you on his side of that issue because otherwise you’re getting all revved up about something nobody is disagreeing about. What are we arguing about? Did you just want to make your little public service announcement about the need to use a condom? Because nobody has a problem with that.

  • jeff

    I’m saying, once you decide to victimize someone else, you’re no better than the people you blame for your self-hate. I have zero sympathy for you at that point. Being hurt doesn’t justify hurting others. You are accountable fully for your own choices. I don’t blame someone for not wanting to come out the closet. I do blame that person for using others. Jason Collins isn’t admirable to me for that very reason.

  • guest

    Ok. Great to know.

  • blue

    I responded to the comment concerning love and intimacy, which is why the ‘agressive, promiscuous’ comment was made. Not saying every gay male is like that, but to act like gay male culture isn’t significantly more recklessly sexual for the sake of making another point isn’t really productive. Discrimination is terrible. No arguing that. However, don’t white wash gay male culture to say that. The negative impact of anti-gay bias stands on its own, without romanticizing gay male culture.

  • LakeShow

    I’ve seen some really pretty offense from them this season derived through their phenomenal passing too. They have 4 very good passers starting. Maybe Mark is waiting to show his cards in the playoffs.

  • LakeShow

    Gotta love the energy he has. From the first two games… I’d say it was an upgrade for the Lakers over Blake when you toss in his age and salary. Brooks looks at home in D’Antoni’s offense also. Bazemore played just like you and @thephotoriot:disqus said he would.

  • LakeShow

    I like Lowry a lot, so hard to argue. I just think Wall has more responsibility and a higher level he can play on than Lowry and is possibly more important to his teams success. But I may be misguided. I really like Lowry so I’m gunna think on this one.

  • jeff

    Curious? Do you have a break down on the records of those 7 teams? Contenders, non contenders?

  • guest

    It isn’t romanticizing to treat people like humans who have true love. Any time that you hear “I’m not saying every ___ is like that, but…” you’re usually about to hear someone justify their own prejudice. People aren’t marching in the streets for gay sex. They aren’t being disowned by their families because it’s important that everyone knows they have gay sex. They are about more than that and you either see that or you don’t. Maybe you being “in the front lines” has made you jaded in the same way cops think everyone is a piece of sh*t.

  • LakeShow

    He has really showed out in D’Antoni’s offense along with Brooks too. Bazemore more so because of his raw natural ability. They are a hell of a lot more exciting than Blake, but technically speaking, and within the context of what each team needs, you have the better player today.

    Love the trade though. Made sense for both sides.

  • Slick Ric

    Don’t compare it at all……Its not natural, its a form of sexual deviancy, like incest, pedophilia etc…Its apart of nature, but its not natural. Nature allows destructive entities just as much as it does productive ones, but that does not make it natural.

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    Lol You feel however you want, I’ll feel however I want. My opinion and comments will follow suit accordingly.

  • blue

    It is romanticizing when you try to argue or downplay significant cultural behaviors that are contrary to intimate, loving behaviors. It also doesn’t help a cause to lable everyone a bigot who doesn’t ignore major differences. Acknowledging a reality doesn’t mean ignoring other facets of a a group. Your problem is that you don’t accept that not everyone will be blind to differences. That’s your problem. It doesn’t make me prejudiced to say “gay male culture is unrelatable to me” for multiple reasons. I don’t think gays are a piece of sh!t, and you are pushing that angle because it’s the only thing that will make you feel you and your opinions are morally superior. If you haven’t learned yet that it is possible to see differences without being hateful, then you aren’t as open-minded as you believe you are.

  • JJ Jones

    The spurs and blazers are the first ones that come to mind. Chris bosh hit a game winner against san antonio last year and hit one against the blazers this year out playing the so.called best pf lamarcus Aldridge. He hit one against the hawks too but they arent a contending team. Ill have to research the others

  • JJ Jones

    Oh yeah and the one game they did lose without james was a close lose to the 54 win knicks with carmelo dropping 50 and hitting everything in that game

  • Caboose

    -Goes to SLAMOnline-
    -Looks at Post Up, sees its about Jason Collins-
    -Sees 117 comments-
    Nope. Not getting involved.

  • Caboose

    It’s comments like this that make me miss being able to see the downvotes.

  • guest

    “Cultural behaviors that are contrary to intimate, loving behaviors”…and then in the next sentence you try to pretend to not be a bigot. Cool dude whatever you say. You’re the only one that understands how to be intimate and loving.

    You think you have the monopoly on reality which is of course the problem. No worry though, as you are on the wrong side of history. Everyone agrees that using condoms is a good idea. That’s the extent of the veracity of your argument. But that’s the obvious part so that’s not really valid or important.

    And you said a whole lot more than “male gay culture is unrelatable to me”. Don’t change your argument mid stream. You can lie to yourself but it doesn’t matter. And yeah you are saying gay men are pieces of sh*t. You don’t have to say the words. That’s all you’re arguing. If you think they should use condoms then just say that. But you’re saying more than that aren’t you? Own it.

    And everyone sees differences. Not all of us are bugged by it. You speak in PC terms like plenty of bigots do. No difference in the mentality though.

  • Caboose

    Ok, ok. Let me try to at least inject some objectivity. I’ll try to reveal as little about my personal beliefs as possible.

    Here we go.

    I think the general consensus on this board is that homosexuality is NOT a choice. Which gender you are attracted to is not a conscious decision, it is a product of some socio-biological process. This mechanism is not fully understood as of yet. Homosexuality is not a disorder nor is it a mental disease.

    The choice in homosexuality is the revealing of it. One need not “come out” on a grand scale as Collins has. A homosexual person has the choice to either show their sexual preference or to keep it to themselves. This is essentially the only choice that a homosexual person has in regards to their sexual orientation.

    It is because of this choice to show or hide it that makes homosexuality as a topic for debate different than the one regarding race. Black people are unable to hide their skin color, while homosexuals do retain the privilege of hiding their sexual orientation.

    As a result of this difference, the effect of discrimination is different. That is, assuming that there will always be discrimination both against homosexuality and African-Americans, these discriminations are not created equal. Meaning that, the black person MUST feel this discrimination both directed at them specifically and at them as a race. It is both institutional and individual discrimination.

    Homosexuals need not experience both. That is, if they choose to hide their sexual orientation, the individual level of discrimination is masked. Certainly, since they themselves identify with the identity of homosexuality, they do feel the institutional discrimination. But because they need not wear their sexuality on their sleeve, the ability to avoid individual discrimination is maintained. This is a luxury that black people do not possess.

    That said, hiding one’s sexual orientation can be an exceptionally difficult thing. I am not homosexual, so I cannot empathize with the difficulty of keeping something like that private. I assume it is difficult, but I cannot say. Neither can anyone who has not experienced it themselves, as I am sure it is hugely different from person to person.

    Regardless of the differences in discrimination between African-Americans and homosexuals, both indeed are questions of civil rights. Certainly not everyone approves of homosexuality while some are ardent supporters. It is not my point to argue either side. The question is, who deserves protection under basic civil rights? I have my own view, but this is irrelevant as of now.

    There has been talk about whether homosexuality is “natural” or not. I find this to ALWAYS be a fruitless discussion for the simple reason that nobody truly knows what “natural” means. Does it mean that something is hard-wired genetically? Or that it shows up in the animal kingdom? Or that it serves the basic function of survival? Or that something is not a choice? There is no agreed upon definition. As a result, I for one would appreciate a lockout on this type of argument. All I will say, is that Doritos can be marketed as “All-Natural.” And that is why this point is useless.

    Jason Collins coming out is a big deal for a couple reasons. As mentioned above, homosexuals retain the choice to expose themselves to individual discrimination (as opposed to simply being subjected to institutional discrimination aimed at the population as a whole). Collins’ coming out directly exposes him to this individual discrimination, and it is something that not too many people would wish to do. His actions then demonstrate that he is willing to endure both institutional and individual discrimination in the name of what, I do not know. Collins believes that his coming out holds more pros in it than cons, be it serving as an inspiration, being able to acknowledge who he is as a person, encourage this kind of discussion, or even to obtain an NBA contract. I don’t know why he chose to come out, and neither does anyone outside of Collins himself. But, as mentioned, this is a BIG DEAL because he has decided that his coming out is more important than avoiding the individual discrimination he would otherwise not have to experience.

    Well, that’s my say. If you want a TLDR version:

    -General consensus = homosexuality is not a choice
    -Black does not equal homosexuality because of choice
    -Black people MUST be exposed to both individual and institutional discrimination
    -Homosexuals, by hiding their orientation, can avoid this individual discrimination
    -It is not necessarily easy to hide orientation, but the choice IS available
    -Stop using the “natural” or “unnatural” argument; no one knows what “natural” means
    -Collins is a big deal because he has decided that his coming out is more valuable to him than being able to avoid individual discrimination

    Phew. How’d I do?

  • guest

    -gets involved.

  • Caboose

    Lol I lied.

  • guest

    it’s irresistible ;)

  • Caboose

    How’d I do though?

  • guest

    There’s a lot there but I can touch on a few things. I think one thing people are missing when they talk about homosexuality and coming out (as a choice) is that most people aren’t famous so coming out involves telling family. Often times that can have huge implications. I live in Utah and I have had a lot of gay friends whose families either cut them out of their lives or at the very least treated them as though they were just sick at the moment and needed treatment when they came out.

    That’s awful when the people who are your only bedrocks in life do that to you.

    But as for a comparison with blacks, I mean they’ve faced an experience in America only rivaled by Native Americans. But it isn’t a competition and really shouldn’t be a comparison because they are separate issues beyond that it isn’t your choice what skin color you are or race. They are all separate stories.

    But really I think you did well and we agree haha. Other than the choice part I found myself nodding along with everything.

  • guest

    Did you read the thread? How’d you feel about the arguments made?

  • Caboose

    Well said.

  • guest

    It’s amazing how fast this whole thing is progressing. I mean in a matter of 5 years it’s been a huge difference. I don’t usually get that excited about the issue because it is so obviously going in one direction but when it comes up on these sorts of threads I am reminded that we aren’t there yet. I guess I forget that not everyone agrees with me or runs around in the same circle.

  • Caboose

    Exactly. Again, an excellent perspective.

    Please, comment more often here.

  • guest

    Ah man you know I really like just coming here to learn from people like you who follow basketball more closely. Thank you for the compliment though. Always enjoy your comments.

  • Caboose

    Much appreciated!

  • Teddy-the-Bear

    On point as usual, brah. It’s sad you even had to explain this elementary sh!t to idiots who find the energy to hate an entire group of people (spanning all ethnicities and nationalities) based on who these consenting adults choose to love and have sex with. Unbelievable. But I’m glad you took the time to show’em what’s what.

  • Teddy-the-Bear

    Homosexuality is not the same as the latter two, because the latter two are pretty much r@pe, whereas homosexuality is between consenting adults. So no, what you said is ridiculous.

    Also, there are plenty of great black people who were gay, including James Baldwin, Langston Hughes, Audre Lorde, Angela Davis, and Alice Walker.

    You should see what Huey Newton and the Black Panthers thought about gay liberation (i.e. they supported it wholeheartedly).

  • http://bit.ly/1ekQBIB SirGrey

    You just can’t count them out…is what they say. I do think its their time to go, these teams out here are just too stacked and Manu has been a has-been.

  • http://bit.ly/1ekQBIB SirGrey

    I could see that happening. Its def not stagnant from what I see.

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    Regarding the natural unnatural issue, as I mean natural is that it’s something that’s been constant over time. There is a portion of people who imply homosexuality is a choice, and then create a perspective that Homosexuality is “unnatural” like it’s the work of the devil or the media or a disease we aren’t born with. That’s my perspective on the use of those terms and that’s the stance I was using above

  • blue

    1. Yes I said a lot more than gay male culture being un-relatable. It’s called an EXPLANATION. Would you have been happier with just that simple statement? If you can’t understand the concept of providing context and reasoning then maybe you shouldn’t engage people on their opinions. It’s not rocket science.

    2. I don’t care if you’re not bothered by widespread reckless sexual behavior, that results in dangerous consequences. That doesn’t make you a better person than me. It makes you ignorant. Yes, you are ignorant if you think that a person who finds cultural, unhealthy sexual recklessness to be bigoted. It’s about more than condom use. It’s about celebrated promiscuity in a high risk community, as well. Your opinion isn’t more tolerant than mine because those things don’t bother you. It just means we have different priorities. You have a lot more growing up to do if that last sentence is hard for you to understand.

    3. You are pretty much so wrapped up in your own FALSE moral superiority that you are defining intolerant. I find you to be ignorant and bigoted against those who acknowledge a need for an overhaul in unhealthy behaviors. You’re so focused on trying to be right that you are reaching badly and stupidly to force a label on anyone who doesn’t dismiss important facts. HENCE, ONE AGAIN, MY LACK OF FOCUS ON LESBIANS.

    4. The most important thing that needs to be said is this: You can sit behind your little keyboard feeling like you’re helping the gay community, but people like me are actually taking care of them. Don’t pat yourself on the back because you’re sitting here playing keyboard warrior. I risk my own health doing what I do every day, giving everyone the same high quality care regardless of race, sexual preference, age, or sex. Don’t you ever presume to tell me what’s in my heart. You talk. I live it. Now go out there and do some outreach instead of riding your virtual high horse on a basketball blog.

  • Jerome

    Enjoy the Tea Party, Slick. Brooklyn = first black player + first openly gay player = KKK had the same views about Robinson … let that sink in.

  • LakeShow

    Yeah what is up with that? It’s weird not seeing Nathan Shane Long post without a trail of 10 downvotes…

  • Caboose

    Idk, it’s a change by Disqus, not SLAM.

  • LakeShow

    Lame.

  • guest

    Lol relax man if anyone is trying to be a keyboard warrior right now it’s you. Which one of us is losing our temper here? I truly hope you are lying about your profession because you have no emotional control. Haha typing in all caps as though you’re yelling whilst typing. Funny stuff. If you’re so sure of your position and sense of morality then you shouldn’t get so upset about something a person says to you on a comment board.

    Pretty much that whole post was just a whiny soap box speech about how I’m not better than you, you’re better than me…. I get it. You’re “on the front lines” and “risking your own health” haha.

    And I’m on a high horse am I?

    Anyways you didn’t really say anything new, you just rambled emotionally so I would refer you to my previous posts if you have any questions. You and I just apparently see people differently. I prefer empathy and understanding, you prefer to pretend that you have the moral high ground in life and so you can sneer at others. That’s fine, maybe you’re a perfect person in a perfect relationship who has the grounds to downplay other peoples’ lives and relationships. But I suspect not…

    In any case, keep up the good work you warrior you haha

  • guest

    I don’t think the natural/unnatural argument makes sense in any case regarding humans. We are so beyond the realm of natural as a species. Having a religion is unnatural. Drinking milk past the age of about 1 is unnatural. Creating and drinking alcohol is unnatural. Plumbing is unnatural. Cooking food is unnatural. The internet is unnatural. etc etc etc.

    We are so far removed from resembling anything in nature that to argue something we are doing is wrong because it’s unnatural is null and void.

    Homosexuality is one of the least unnatural things that exists in human life when you think about it.

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    well if you think of “natural” as one umbrella. i guess from my perspective “natural” would be related to each individual species when it comes to individualistic traits and tendencies. but we aren’t talking about manipulating environment, any of that is “unnatural” from the animal kingdom perspective, but we aren’t the only ones that do it either.

  • guest

    Yeah I mean I guess I didn’t really state that clearly. All those things I mentioned are “natural” insofar as they are a product of our minds and our incessant urge to create things and manipulate the world around us. What really makes us stand apart is our self awareness. Manipulating the environment, as you said, is not entirely unique. But philosophy, religion, self consciousness, morality, etc is our truly unique “skill set” and the things that make us weirdos.

    But like you said, homosexuality is a part of the animal kingdom.

    I just find it odd when that becomes the basis for argumentation given that humans are defined by our apart-ness from the rest of the natural world. Suddenly it’s important to live “naturally”.

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    (from my perspective) it’s only really an argument against those that imply homosexuality is a choice. natural and unnatural is really just a different way to argue between inherent or acquired but with a focus on the nature of its existence…if that makes sense

  • guest

    Yeah perfect sense. well said.

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    i appreciate the discussion, i often don’t consider that the perspective on these types of topics can be so different.

  • guest

    Yeah same. It’s good. Ideally we all come away with a fuller understanding of the issue.

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