Wednesday, October 7th, 2009 at 8:00 am  |  121 responses

Top 50: Amar’e Stoudemire, no. 16

The definitive ranking of the NBA’s best players.

by Gregory Dole

I really shouldn’t be commenting on Amar’e Stoudemire because I am a fan. I met him in 2003 and he still comes up to say hello to me whenever we cross paths. In my opinion, he is one of Amar'e Stoudemirethe most decent guys in the NBA. As a result, it is difficult for me to be objective. I apologize in advance if I come off as a cheerleader, the lowest form of the sports writer.

The guy is a beast. He is a dunking machine. When he first came into the League, it was like he was built on a pogo stick. Even with a mounting number of surgeries, Stoudemire can still throw it down like few others.

He has a very simple game tailored for the NBA. He is the prototype for the pick-and-roll. If the defender gives him the outside shot from the free-throw line extended, he will nail it. If the defender lets him get the angle and Stoudemire slips to the rim, the help defense better rotate because no one finishes with the same speed and ferocity.

More than anything, Stoudemire is the type of person who will not be denied. Thousands of prospects have fizzled out because the path that lay in front of them was too difficult. Too hard. Stoudemire did not become a member of the “I coulda been somebody” club. Even though he went through a tragic childhood, filled with povery, sadness and loss, the guy overcame the obstacles. He attended SIX high schools. What the hell is that?

I can remember speaking with David Griffin, long before he became the Senior Vice President of Basketball Operations. about Stoudemire. He told me that when the Suns’ brass met with the young man before the 2002 draft, they knew they had their player. The middling Suns were in need of a shot in the arm. They needed a take-charge sort of guy. When interviewing Stoudemire, the Suns staff asked him to describe himself, to which Stoudemire replied, “I am a leader, people follow me.”

Now Stoudemire has never struck me as a leader in the rah-rah, traditional sense. But he seems to have that fire-in-the-belly that cannot be taught. No matter how hard you try, either you are born with “it” or you don’t have “it”. Stoudemire believes he is a leader and that is all there is to it. While Steve Nash comes across as the true leader of the Suns, Stoudemire is the sort of guy who goes out and gets it done. People fall in line behind him because of his sheer force of will.

Critics have always pointed out that Stoudemire’s game is not dynamic. He isn’t a Lamar Odom-type of power forward who a coach could use to run the triple post. His offense is limited to shooting, running the fastbreak and executing the pick-and-roll. Once he gets the ball, chances are it isn’t coming back out again. There is no hesitation on Stoudemire’s part, unlike the talented Odom who can be indecisive and frustrating. Most basketball coaches refer to a Stoudemire type of player as a “black hole,” like the thing in space that asteroids disappear into never to return.

While Stoudemire might never have seen a shot he does not like, at the same time he is the sort of player who will at least try to take the ball to the rim every time he gets it. He is most certainly not the type of player who will get the ball in the post, think about doing something and then pass the ball out for a guard to force a hurried shot attempt as the shot clock winds down.

Most recently, Dallas Mavericks’ statistician and Indiana University professor Wayne Winston claimed that Stoudemire is “totally overrated” and a “total stats stuffer”. Apparently Winston has the stats to back this up. Perhaps there is some merit to Winston’s analysis.

Amar’e is no dummie. Of course he goes for the stats. You get paid max money if you put up gaudy stats. The pride of Lake Wales, Florida did not get to where he is in life by being a patsy. Get your numbers and you’ll get paid big money. That is the way the business game of sports is played, and quite rightly, Stoudemire has his mind on the money.

The stats speak for themselves. 21.5 points and 9 rebounds per game. Throw in 1.5 blocks per as well. Add 54 percent from the floor and 75.5 percent from the free throw line. And Amar’e will get that for you every night. While the stats guru Winston might not be impressed, even he would have to agree that there is something to be said about the fact that if you were to plot Stoudemire’s stats, there would be very few outliers. Enough stats talk. What I am trying to say is that you can pencil in Amar’e for 21 and 9 because those numbers come with next to no standard deviation.

If nothing else, Stoudemire accomplishes the central objective in basketball: he puts the ball in the net, the biscuit in the basket as effectively as anyone who has ever played the game.

Notes
• Rankings are based solely on projected ’09-10 performance.
• Contributors to this list include: Jake Appleman, Brett Ballantini, Russ Bengtson, Toney Blare, Shannon Booher, Myles Brown, Franklyn Calle, Gregory Dole, Emry DowningHall, Jonathan Evans, Adam Fleischer, Jeff Fox, Sherman Johnson, Aaron Kaplowitz, John Krolik, Holly MacKenzie, Ryne Nelson, Chris O’Leary, Ben Osborne, Alan Paul, Susan Price, Sam Rubenstein, Khalid Salaam, Kye Stephenson, Adam Sweeney, Vincent Thomas, Tzvi Twersky, Justin Walsh, Joey Whelan, Eric Woodyard, and Nima Zarrabi.
• Want more of the SLAMonline Top 50? Check out the archive.

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  • josh Posted: Oct.7 at 8:11 am
    first!

  • Bryan Posted: Oct.7 at 8:20 am
    I’m an amare’ fan for sure but a leader he is not. I see a 25 and ten season this year though.

  • munich based Posted: Oct.7 at 8:31 am
    munich congrats to the top 50 ranking. always enjoyable! amares placing fits right.

  • Ken Posted: Oct.7 at 8:43 am
    Yeah, I also disagree with the leader section. And if he really has a fire in his belly, where is it on defense? And this is coming from a Suns fan!

  • rog123 Posted: Oct.7 at 8:46 am
    Whenever I see blake griffin, he reminds me of stat. Only bigger

  • Ken Posted: Oct.7 at 8:48 am
    And the whole stats section was just badly written.

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  • kobesbestfriend Posted: Oct.7 at 8:52 am
    injuries ruined what could of been 1 of the best PFs ever…now he’s reduced to being just a mid range shooter who cant guard anybody he matches up with…UNFORTUNATE…and rated way 2 high on this ranking

  • The underrated one Posted: Oct.7 at 8:56 am
    he definetly has the talent to be higher on this list, but i agree w/ kobesbestfriend the injuries ruined him

  • Hussman25 Posted: Oct.7 at 8:57 am
    Good spot for STAT! Not the leader he should be (he would not be rumored to be a tradable commodity if he was the “leader” he claims to be) But a PF I would LOVE to have on MY TEAM! Nice spot…

  • T Money Posted: Oct.7 at 9:49 am
    Amare > Parker.

  • Pve84 Posted: Oct.7 at 9:55 am
    Injuries have ruined Amar’e? So you aren’t aware that he has succesfully recovered from microfracture knee surgery and posted the above stats AFTER said surgery? “Ruined” must be some new slang I’m not up on yet. But yes, leaders are leaders full-time, not only on offense.

  • JDH21 Posted: Oct.7 at 9:59 am
    I love Amar’e he is an absolute beast. Hope he has his travel plans booked for Chicago next year.

  • tavoris Posted: Oct.7 at 10:03 am
    has anyone else EVER recovered from microfracture so effectively? Leader or not, the man can put the ball in the bucket…

  • Royal Posted: Oct.7 at 10:03 am
    How can you say an 20 and 8 player “ruined”?

  • Royal Posted: Oct.7 at 10:05 am
    Is ruined

  • Amare is better than Chris Bosh.

  • Klav Posted: Oct.7 at 10:16 am
    If Greg Oden can come back from microfracture like STAT, consider Portland the champions in about 3 years. If not, well damn oh well. STAT can score the ball though, whether or not he plays defense, he still gets the job done. I think if he played for a different coach it might be different, although the whole Suns organization doesn’t even play defense. Not even Kerr, he just trades people away instead of taking the blame. So that speaks for itself. What happened to Raja Bell and Matt Barnes? Oh, right…

  • NUPE Posted: Oct.7 at 10:19 am
    Agree with Pve84. His stats are real and even after injury. How can that be considered ruined? Maybe he’s not as good as he could have been under ideal situations, but not many teams would pass on a guy with his current stat line.

  • tavoris Posted: Oct.7 at 10:24 am
    NUPE, the great thing is that he became a great mid-range shooter while recovering from the surgery.

  • PANAGIOTIS VASILOPOULOS Posted: Oct.7 at 10:39 am
    OVERATED-OVERATED-OVERATED (ok, that’s too easy).At the same time i can understand his ranking at such a list (Suns running again+ no other offensive option+ no Shaq around => 23+ppg,10+rpg => great stats=> happy fantasy players => high SLAM ranking).I am dreaming with nostalgy the glorious times that Amare ‘protected’ the middle for team USA in the Olympics…can you get him in Turkey also pleeeeease…???

  • Wayno Posted: Oct.7 at 10:48 am
    He’s still pretty damn explosive too, even after the surgery. He’s actually similar to pre injury Antonio McDyess, but Dyess never really came back after the knee surgery. Dyess played better D though.

  • T Money Posted: Oct.7 at 10:52 am
    Apparently Greece is the source of all knowledge in the world.

  • T Money Posted: Oct.7 at 10:54 am
    If Amar(e) could develop some semblance of a back to the basket game, he would be completely unstoppable. Someone needs to get Kareem on the phone.

  • tavoris Posted: Oct.7 at 10:54 am
    @ PANAGIOTIS VASILOPOULOS-words cannot express…Amare>>>>>you.

  • Julius Posted: Oct.7 at 10:59 am
    Im starting to wonder how high Tony Parker will be on this list. In my opinion its already reached the point of being too high.

  • Wayno Posted: Oct.7 at 11:07 am
    Julius, Tony Parker is one of the most ungaurdable players in the league…he’s unstoppable…

  • Afonso Posted: Oct.7 at 11:07 am
    Litlle overrated to a guy who doesn´t play D and is a poor rebounder for his size and athleticism…

  • Afonso Posted: Oct.7 at 11:11 am
    Tony Parker evolved into the best SanA player…
    unguardable scorer, decent defender and very good playmaker…to me 15 is fine to him or DWill.

  • Afonso Posted: Oct.7 at 11:19 am
    I just looked at the complete list and its the MOST RIDICULOUS THING I`VE SEEN putting Rose ahead of Big All, DGranger, JJohnson and Billups…don´t want to start it again but just had to say it..

  • niQ Posted: Oct.7 at 11:22 am
    I think this ranking is good for him. I mean, if he was never hidnered by injuries he would be higher. But I’ve always thought he was a bit overrated (Due to the injuries). That’s why I think 16 is good for him.

  • niQ Posted: Oct.7 at 11:26 am
    Tony Parker is most likely next.

  • PANAGIOTIS VASILOPOULOS Posted: Oct.7 at 11:29 am
    @T money….:my dear kid, Parker on a team like Suns(meaning:don’t care about winning just run & gun) would easily average 28+ppg with serious efficiency (meaning: NO A.I.)and will have you falling in love with him as he would have been the number one option at your fantasy/video game team. Then a ranking under top-5 would seem to you ridiculous…..and “Greece is the source of all knowledge in the world” might be true BUT has nothing to do with me. Has to do with things that happened 2500 years ago…..i’ll let tavoris explain you ,in ancient Greek of course(!!!!!!!).

  • PANAGIOTIS VASILOPOULOS Posted: Oct.7 at 11:32 am
    @Afonso…..:WAAAAY OVERATED!!!!

  • T Money Posted: Oct.7 at 11:56 am
    Tony Parker is pretty one dimensional in my opinion. Although his one dimension ridiculously good. He’s very fortunate to have played his entire career on a team with great ball movement, team defence, an abundance of shooters and one of the best coaches of our generation. Oh, and Tim Duncan.

  • Z Posted: Oct.7 at 11:59 am
    People are underrating Tony Parker. With the way the rules are set up right now, it is impossible to keep him out of the lane. I repeat: impossible. Add that to the fact that he’s the best finisher in the L at the pg spot and he has an uncanny ability to get to the line, and you have a virtually unguardable player at the end of games. I have to admit that his game is not easy on the eyes, but it sure does work.

  • Joey E. Posted: Oct.7 at 11:59 am
    A’m'a’r'eye’

  • TADOne Posted: Oct.7 at 12:25 pm
    I’m thinking Amare wrecks sh*t this season.

  • PANAGIOTIS VASILOPOULOS Posted: Oct.7 at 12:25 pm
    T Money______:So….Parker is one dimensional(great on offence) but Amare is not.i’ll tell you this:Parker ,though not a great defender, is a better one than Amare. He is a little more unstopable on offence and better on defence.Do the math.

  • T Money Posted: Oct.7 at 12:34 pm
    Pana, I didn’t say Amar(e) was a good defender. But if we are just considering scoring, He’s still better than Parker.

  • J-Ro Posted: Oct.7 at 1:09 pm
    really? odom is better then Amare?

  • ab_40 Posted: Oct.7 at 1:12 pm
    20 8 2 and 1 is too high on this list. he isn’t that explosive anymore. I think Nene is a better athlete as of right now. Amar’e is a nice player but because noone ever tought him how te be a responsible defensive player who takes pride in rebounding and stopping his man this is his peak his prime his whatever you want to call it. Dude was supposed to be a beast. now he’s a more subtle animal. still a little stiff and more athletic then most guys but not the 30 and 15 type of karl malone mixed with charles barkley dominance we expected out of him

  • pablasso Posted: Oct.7 at 1:21 pm
    I can even live up with Tony Parker in the top 10. He’s that good

  • T Money Posted: Oct.7 at 1:31 pm
    Pablasso, methinks you’ve inhaled too many paint fumes

  • onlyclipfanonslam Posted: Oct.7 at 1:43 pm
    I think he has a HUGE season this year. Probably will score more than 25ppg. His rebounds probably won’t go up, and might even dip a little since he is the biggest guy on the squad and without Shaq there is no way Stat isn’t boxed out, so his offensive rebounds should go down.

  • rog123 Posted: Oct.7 at 2:11 pm
    I too think stat is better than bosh

  • PANAGIOTIS VASILOPOULOS Posted: Oct.7 at 2:24 pm
    BOSH>>>>>>>>>AMARE.

  • Orlando Green Posted: Oct.7 at 2:59 pm
    Amare is more talented than Bosh, however, Bosh is a much better leader. The Raptors would never trade Bosh for Amare.

  • Wayno Posted: Oct.7 at 3:01 pm
    I’d take Bosh over Stat 8 days a week…

  • Shem Posted: Oct.7 at 3:18 pm
    Amare isnt better then bosh. Bosh is a better rebounder, scorer, defender, playmaker (thats for sure), hes clutch and a better leader. I dont see what amare has would make you think hes better except he dunks more. Tony Parker is ridiculous. He can get to the line almost every time, and is a top 3 finisher around the rim in the league. I REPEAT top 3 finisher around the rim in the league. Good article, but i think al jeff, joe johnson and derrick rose will have better years.

  • Anton Posted: Oct.7 at 3:33 pm
    A great businessman. I bought a case of cookies from him at his Defense Bakery Stand.

  • TADOne Posted: Oct.7 at 3:35 pm
    I think Amare being inactive for so long has made some of ya’ll quite delusional. Bosh may be a more well-rounded player, but he is not THAT much better than Amare. Stoudemire is a beast of a PF who can score almost at will around the basket. Does anyone not remember that he gave Duncan the business in the playoffs a few years back??

  • Ken Posted: Oct.7 at 3:41 pm
    Why didn’t you run a photo of him with the new goggles? This IS based on next year’s production, so where the goggles?

  • Sean H Posted: Oct.7 at 3:56 pm
    Unrelated, but are there any argumentative or persuasive essays regarding the NBA that Slam has wrote? I need to counter one for my english assignment so if someone could help me out with that it’d be appreciated, thanks.

  • PANAGIOTIS VASILOPOULOS Posted: Oct.7 at 4:06 pm
    @Ken….: correct!!!

  • PANAGIOTIS VASILOPOULOS Posted: Oct.7 at 4:13 pm
    BREAKING NEWS!!!!: Linas Kleiza said that the Spurs & Cavs will not be an easy opponent for Olympiakos!!! Since i am almost sure that my team is going to lose big-time in its two friendly matches next week in the states(for a reason Linas nicely explained) this will give plently of reasons to many of my kids(Eboy,Allenp,tavoris,jukai,etc) start drawing conclusions and laugh at me. I am prepared for it.

  • Jukai Posted: Oct.7 at 4:16 pm
    Spanny is right on everything he’s said so far. Parker is way underrated, Bosh is better than Stat, and Stat is overrated and this ranking is too high.
    Of course, he says stupid things on a daily basis, so it’s hard to take him seriously, but he’s right on this one.

  • Jukai Posted: Oct.7 at 4:22 pm
    Spanny: I don’t think Olympiakos has much of a chance against the Spurs and Cavs playing in NBA rules. Likewise, the team could do major damage if they played with FIBA rules.

  • TADOne Posted: Oct.7 at 4:27 pm
    Parker hasn’t even been listed yet, so i’m not sure how he is way underrated? And again, Bosh is better than Stat how? I will give you defense, leadership, passing and the fact that he can step out to 3 point range. Other than that, Stat is a better scorer and just as good a rebounder.

  • BETCATS Posted: Oct.7 at 4:30 pm
    i am prepared to say Chris Bosh is better then Amare’e”’e

  • Afonso Posted: Oct.7 at 4:31 pm
    AMEN TO THAT WAYNO!!!!!!!!! I WOULD TAKE BOSH OVER AMARE LIKE 100 DAYS A WEEK, only thing amare has on him is jumping, literally!! footwork, stroke, defense, BB IQ, rebounding, post moves; Bosh is better in every single category minus jumping out of a building… Now the shocker..today I´d take LAldridge and All Jeff over Stat too. may be bias with LA since I´m a TrailBlazers fan but All Jeff too…both are better defenders/post up players…David West also..

  • PANAGIOTIS VASILOPOULOS Posted: Oct.7 at 4:34 pm
    @jukai……:every dog has his day…..

  • BETCATS Posted: Oct.7 at 4:38 pm
    @Afonso: who is All Jeff? You would take everybody named Jeff over Amare’e”e? btw i am messing with you, i know you meant Al Jefferson, and since we have new commenting guidlines i now have to let you know my joke is not intended to offend you even though it is…

  • Jukai Posted: Oct.7 at 4:38 pm
    TADOne: I never said SLAM is underrating Parker. I’m saying the media generally does. SLAM has it’s own weird little ranking system pushed away from the general media.
    I mean, who else hyped Brandon Jennings so much outside of SLAM?

  • TADOne Posted: Oct.7 at 4:43 pm
    Hi Jukai. Yeah, didn’t mean to necessarily point your comment out, I was just too lazy to read everything. I have no issues with Slam’s rankings because they are literally opinions, nothing more. However, I still believe some people commenting on here are seriously sleeping on Amare way too much. Oh well, time will tell.

  • BETCATS Posted: Oct.7 at 4:44 pm
    jukai: espn, sports illustrated, and dime all gave Brandon coverage, but not as much as SLAM did.

  • TADOne Posted: Oct.7 at 4:45 pm
    And with all of this “man love” for Bosh, I still have yet to see him lead his team into the playoffs.

  • PANAGIOTIS VASILOPOULOS Posted: Oct.7 at 4:46 pm
    @jukai…..(4:22PM):PERFECT!!don’t know if you read Linas interview but this is EXACTLY what he said(and was also what i meant by saying “for a reason Linas nicely explained”). So, although my 4:34pm comment was directed at me ,one can say that today was “YOUR DAY” also…!!!!! (next thing that can happen is have Eboy&Allenp write FINALLY something that makes bball sence…but we are propably asking for many miracles to take place in the same day….)

  • Sean H Posted: Oct.7 at 4:49 pm
    Unrelated, but are there any argumentative or persuasive essays/articles regarding the NBA that SlAM has wrote? (Ex. Age limit) I need to counter one for my english assignment, if someone could send me a link or something i’d appreciate it!

  • Sean H Posted: Oct.7 at 5:09 pm
    Need argumentative essay related to NBA, i need to counter essay for english assignment, if someone could post a few links, i’d love you.

  • don Posted: Oct.7 at 5:13 pm
    just the way amare came back from surgery is already impressive.

  • Vegas Posted: Oct.7 at 5:17 pm
    I think it was a great write up one him, but i see him more as a 18, but hopefully i will be proved wrong…

  • UnRel Posted: Oct.7 at 5:19 pm
    this is a tad too high for STAT.. but i can see the logic of it.. he just seems to always be hurt..

  • PANAGIOTIS VASILOPOULOS Posted: Oct.7 at 5:26 pm
    GOOD NIGHT TO EVERYBODY!!!And to celebrate my big moment today(according to jukai)here is a song for me,you and our harmonious internet family under the kind SLAM roof….!!!! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d5CLmflrwIA

  • Jukai Posted: Oct.7 at 5:31 pm
    Spanny: I couldn’t find Klieza’s interview (although I just looked on nba.com and ballineurope for two seconds, so I didn’t try too hard) but I just assumed that was the problem.
    The rule changes are rather massive: people will say “you still put the ball in the hoop” but when you’re trained night in and night out to do things ONE WAY at the highest possible level, then something simple like moving out of the lane every three seconds becomes incredibly hard to do. Olympiakos is playing with an incredible handicap.
    I really hope one day that FIBA and NBA rules become unified, and that the good from both leagues is taken (three point line extention and NBA time/lane/goal tending corrections for FIBA, demolishing the three second rule and zone defenses for the US).

  • Enigmatic Posted: Oct.7 at 5:44 pm
    In what planet is Amare Stoudemire better than Paul Pierce? In what planet will Stoudemire have a bigger impact in the NBA than Pierce next season? And did I actually see a Bulls fan say he hopes STAT comes to Chicago next year? Hell to the no, keep that no-defense, can’t average a double-double to save his life scrub away from my squad.

  • Shem Posted: Oct.7 at 5:55 pm
    @Tadone:I have yet to see amare lead his team into the playoffs. A team that had Steve Nash, Raja Bell, Shawn Marion, Boris Diaw, Leandro Barbosa and more. Amare couldnt even make the playoffs with Shaq, JRICH, Steve Nash, Grant Hill, Barbosa. My point: STAT has a much better supporting cast and hasnt done much better. Bosh is a better defender, scorer, rebounder, playmaker, more of a leader and clutch, Find me one thing Stat has on bosh.. JUST 1 thing in the game that STAT does better and no dunk attempts dont count

  • Shem Posted: Oct.7 at 5:57 pm
    I stand corrected, amare has a better fg % but bosh is still a better player

  • TADOne Posted: Oct.7 at 5:59 pm
    You guys are right. Amare is a bum. What was I thinking?

  • Moose Posted: Oct.7 at 6:03 pm
    Amare is a great player, but he should be a better one. Defense is lackluster, but he definitely has the gifts.

  • TADOne Posted: Oct.7 at 6:20 pm
    I could say the exact same thing about Bosh, Moose. My point is that people seem to be hating on Amare for a number of things. Bottom line, stats are stats. F*ck a system. Amare puts up numbers and wins games.

  • Moose Posted: Oct.7 at 6:33 pm
    Couldn’t agree more, TAD.

  • TADOne Posted: Oct.7 at 6:35 pm
    I would have enjoyed that more if you kept disagreeing with me. Oh well. I’ll take out my bad day elsewhere.

  • Afonso Posted: Oct.7 at 6:40 pm
    I hated on amare but this is his big contract year…my prediction is that he will average like 25,7,1,1blk with that Phoenix offense and a weeker supporting cast than in years past…I just dont like his game other the power dunks…think people, he could easly be almost as good as D12 patroling the paint, diference is Dwight likes rejecting people and grab 15rbs/game…amare just doest give a sh33t about rebounding and blocking shots, he has the athleticism to do it…

  • Moose Posted: Oct.7 at 6:42 pm
    TAD, if you find something that I could argue, I’ll definitely humor you.

  • rog123 Posted: Oct.7 at 6:47 pm
    I admit bosh is a more versitle player than stat. However, there is NO WAY bosh is a better scorer. I don’t know exactly but I am sure stat has had more 40 point games. Bosh has more range, but stat got a little jumper too. HE IS NOT JUST A DUNKER!!

  • rog123 Posted: Oct.7 at 6:53 pm
    BTW I am a bosh fan, but I think stat is better. Stat may not be all defense, but neither is bosh. He may not be a top rebounder, but neither is bosh. So idk how people can say bosh is better, when the main difference between them is that stat can get buckets like CRAZY

  • Anton Posted: Oct.7 at 6:55 pm
    Bosh moves further and further away from the hoop as time passes. His MuscleWatch summer was a failure.

  • KH10 Posted: Oct.7 at 7:25 pm
    Amare is a beast! as a lifetime suns fan i hope he is fully ready to go this season, offensively he is RELENTLESS which sets him apart from guys like bosh who float around the perimiter a lot of the time, i wish he would step it up on the boards and on D, but he has spent his whole career with either marion or shaq who both dominate the glass.
    without the injuries we would be comparing him to KG and duncan instead of bosh.

  • Jesseg Posted: Oct.7 at 8:06 pm
    Man it’s funny seeing how much people underrate Amare. He is way better than Bosh. Bosh is not a winner. Simple as that. There is a reason he never even does anything in the weaker Eastern Conference….He’s overrated. Amare is gonna average 25 and 10 this year.

  • J-bird Posted: Oct.7 at 8:29 pm
    Amare is better than RuPaul (Bosh).

  • Afonso Posted: Oct.7 at 9:12 pm
    Bosh is WAY BETTER THAN Stat…not even close…one dimensional amare vs complete PF bosh…theres a reason why bosh is top 3 FA this summer and GMs want Boozer and JJohnson before amare…even GoldenState, which would suit amare´s game perfectly,NO D, didn´t want to give up Biedrins and Curry…Give them Bosh for those 2 and the Warriors are instantly all over that deal!!!!!!!!!

  • Afonso Posted: Oct.7 at 9:19 pm
    EVEN A SUNS FAN SAYING AMARE WITHOUT INJURIES WOULD BE LIKE TIMMY AND KG MUST FELL RIDICULOUS!!!!!!!!! THE 2 BEST DEFENSIVE SPECIALISTS PF OF A GENERATION SIDE BY SIDE WITH STAT NO D…LOLOLOLOL, RIGHT, WAKE UP DUDE!!!!

  • Afonso Posted: Oct.7 at 9:33 pm
    EVEN FOR A SUNS FAN SAYING AMARE WITHOUT INJURIES IS NEXT TO TIMMY AND KG IS HILARIOUS… PUTTING THE 2 BEST DEFENSIVE PF OF A GENERATION WITH MISTER STAT NO D BLASFEMY..LOL

  • Shem Posted: Oct.7 at 9:34 pm
    Amar’e does have somewhat of a jumper but we all know bosh has more range not to mention actually hits 3s. They re dead even at points at an average of 21 but bosh receives more attention and isnt a black hole. He ll kick it for the assist. By the way for everyone that still thinks amar’e is better Slam disagrees. Bosh averages more points, rebounds, assists, has more range, has less turnovers, definetly has more range… should i keep going?

  • Todd Spehr Posted: Oct.7 at 9:34 pm
    Amar’e: Please average 10 rebounds this year.

  • Teddy-the-Bear Posted: Oct.7 at 9:54 pm
    Gasol better be next.

  • Teddy-the-Bear Posted: Oct.7 at 10:04 pm
    Amare gets heat for never averaging over 10 rebounds a game. Pau Gasol hasn’t either. Nobody complains about HIS rebounding, though.

  • Teddy-the-Bear Posted: Oct.7 at 10:06 pm
    Amare is not better than Chris Bosh.

  • Steve Posted: Oct.7 at 10:10 pm
    Swap Parker and CP3 … i.e. give CP3 one of the best big men EVER and give Parker a team where the lane will be stuffed every time he drives and then you will get a true idea about how good Parker is (pretty good but not great) and how AWESOME CP3 is.

  • Steve Posted: Oct.7 at 10:13 pm
    As for Amare, this is about right I think. Thing is with him, if his mind is on the job he can go for 30-12 consistently with reasonable defense, but if he feels he is being dissed by his team for whatever reason (Nash doesn’t feed me enough … wah, wah, wah) then he will settle for 18-8 with NO defense. The leader comment is a joke too, for the very reason outlined above. Plus slightly contradictory in the article … he is a leader but he is all about his own stats … Huh?

  • Steve Posted: Oct.7 at 10:20 pm
    Gasol is significantly better than Amare Teddy, are you serious?! Would Amare have been able to drag those sorry Memphis teams into the finals? Would Amare have been able to fill the role Gasol played on the championship team last year without pouting? Highly doubtful on both counts.

  • Afonso Posted: Oct.7 at 10:37 pm
    Gasol is the best PF in the NBA NOW THAT KG AND TIMMY ARE SLOWING DOWN…OBVIOULY IN THEIR PRIME BOTH WERE CLEARLY BETTER…Gasol is the second best player in the most talented team in the league…and Kobe´s career will never be the same because of the spaniard, Odom could not do what Pau does…again, like Bosh, complete PF game with virtually no flaws…that poor rebounding was interesting but with Bynum inside that expains a lot and if Gasol plays 40 min he´ll give 15 rbs easly..

  • KH10 Posted: Oct.7 at 11:08 pm
    before his knee surgery amare was dropping 26 and 9 and scorched Timmy’s great D for 37ppg in the WCF, so NO i dont think its crazy to compare what could have been to the all time greats.

  • Teddy-the-Bear Posted: Oct.7 at 11:11 pm
    No way is Gasol the best PF in the league. I don’t care how slowed down you think Duncan is, he’s still better than Pau. And the rebounding? Let’s keep in mind Pau Gasol has only been playing on the Lakers for 2 seasons, one of them with Bynum out entirely. So no, Bynum is not an excuse that Gasol gets less than 10 rebounds a game. Not that 8-9 boards is bad, though; my point is Amare gets hounded for it and Gasol gets a free pass.

  • KH10 Posted: Oct.7 at 11:16 pm
    im not gonna defend Amares defence too much, but this whole “hes a terrible defender” statement gets thrown around way too much. now people are saying ron ron is too slow, or Kobe doesnt try hard enough. even the BEST defenders get scored on, and when you put a guy like bowen or battier on an elite player like Kobe it usually fires him up to score even more than usual. there is no such thing as a “lockdown” defender, who never gets scored on, obviously some guys dont put forth the effort, which is what playing great D is all about, effort, heart and hustle. the last GREAT defender was scottie pippen, and theres no one even remotely on his level playing in the L today.

  • Steve Posted: Oct.7 at 11:18 pm
    Gasol > Amare. Could Amare have led those terrible Grizzlies teams to the finals? No. Could Amare have played the role on the Lakers that Gasol has played without b*tching about how much he saw the ball? No. Would the Lakers have given up as much for Amare as they gave up for Gasol? Hell, they would have given up that much for Kurt Thomas!

  • Steve Posted: Oct.7 at 11:19 pm
    +1 KH10, with the caveat being that Amare is a downhill runner, which those other guys are not.

  • Jukai Posted: Oct.8 at 12:09 am
    I’m going to get creamed for this… Dirk right now is probably the best power forward in the game *gulp*

  • Z Posted: Oct.8 at 2:04 am
    Nothing outrageous about what you said, Jukai. Although, to me, TD is still the best around. Pau Gasol is going to be way too high because he happens to have played for the best team in the L last year. He is not better than Bosh and his game hasn’t changed one bit since his Memphis days. Same ol’ Pau, better team.

  • KH10 Posted: Oct.8 at 2:50 am
    Pau is one of the most fundamentally sound bigs in the league and has a great all around post game, he is making a quick jump from under to overrated because of LA’s success. I dont even know what Dirk is… you cant really compare his game to any other big man in league history.
    for the time being (if healthy of course) TD and KG are still the best in the league at the 4.

  • Yesse Posted: Oct.8 at 3:22 am
    Really doubt this.I would have put many players over Amare on the list.Amare is good, but i dont put my money on players who cant play D 1-on-1.

  • Solon Posted: Oct.8 at 3:56 am
    Amare >>>> Bosh.
    Amare is more explosive, better finisher, can absolutely dominate a game. While Bosh is very good, i have never seen him take over a game the way STAT has many times. Including the most impressive performances in a losing series vs the spurs a few years ago when he averaged like 40 and 12 against Duncan-the best Defensive PF of all time.
    I am pissed off the warriors didn’t trade for him. We woulda killed with a lineup of Ellis, Buke, Jack, Anthony Randolph, and Stat. sigh, to bad warriors are destined to suckk….

  • PANAGIOTIS VASILOPOULOS Posted: Oct.8 at 4:19 am
    @Solon…..:you write “We woulda killed with a lineup of Ellis, Buke, Jack, Anthony Randolph, and Stat”. This lineup ain’t making the playoffs in the west.You need ,at least, a Jason Kidd in his prime to keep an order with so many (&that kind of) scorers ….. Once again, bball(even NBA regular season) ain’t a video/fantasy game where you add players with high ppg numbers and the bigger sum wins..W-A-K-E U-P!!!!!

  • PANAGIOTIS VASILOPOULOS Posted: Oct.8 at 4:23 am
    seeing comparisons of Gasol (or Dirk,or Duncan) with guys like Amare/Howard is one of the reasons this forum is making my day.

  • PANAGIOTIS VASILOPOULOS Posted: Oct.8 at 5:51 am
    @Yesse….:correct. How do you like Alba’s chances of getting past Marousi for the last ticket to this year’s EUROLEAGUE (big game is on sunday)?

  • Jukai Posted: Oct.8 at 7:17 am
    Z: Eh… I’d agree with you, but Gasol just outright dominated Europe in just about every level imaginable a few weeks ago. There were other NBA players playing (including Parker) and none of them dominated half as much as Gasol did. Call it what you want, but Gasol is easily the fourth best PF next to TD, Dirk, and Garnett.
    Maybe I’m underrating Bosh because I think he’s reached a ‘new level’ while his team has simultaneously reached a ‘new level of suck’ so it’s counter-acting me viewing his progress… but Gasol is a better passer and defender, and while Bosh gets better rebounding numbers, that may be because of the fact that Bosh plays with bargniani at center, and you know, no one’s getting the rebounds but Bosh.

  • tavoris Posted: Oct.8 at 10:21 am
    Now that Rose is out the way, will every comment section mentioned Parker and Bosh now? @ PANAGIOTIS VASILOPOULOS…what happened to your other s/n? say it loud….

  • TADOne Posted: Oct.8 at 11:46 am
    I think Amare is going to have a lot of people eating their words this year.

  • rikson Posted: Oct.9 at 3:16 am
    “Maybe I’m underrating Bosh because I think he’s reached a ‘new level’ while his team has simultaneously reached a ‘new level of suck’ so it’s counter-acting me viewing his progress…” Love that line jukai – haha! Plus I read somewhere above that tony parkers game is NOT easy on the eyes?! Somebody has to explain that to me….

  • wtf Posted: Oct.12 at 9:40 am
    He’s vastly overrated…no D,just highlights…I mean what did he accomplish in his career?

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