Wednesday, October 7th, 2009 at 8:00 am  |  121 responses

Top 50: Amar’e Stoudemire, no. 16

The definitive ranking of the NBA’s best players.

by Gregory Dole

I really shouldn’t be commenting on Amar’e Stoudemire because I am a fan. I met him in 2003 and he still comes up to say hello to me whenever we cross paths. In my opinion, he is one of Amar'e Stoudemirethe most decent guys in the NBA. As a result, it is difficult for me to be objective. I apologize in advance if I come off as a cheerleader, the lowest form of the sports writer.

The guy is a beast. He is a dunking machine. When he first came into the League, it was like he was built on a pogo stick. Even with a mounting number of surgeries, Stoudemire can still throw it down like few others.

He has a very simple game tailored for the NBA. He is the prototype for the pick-and-roll. If the defender gives him the outside shot from the free-throw line extended, he will nail it. If the defender lets him get the angle and Stoudemire slips to the rim, the help defense better rotate because no one finishes with the same speed and ferocity.

More than anything, Stoudemire is the type of person who will not be denied. Thousands of prospects have fizzled out because the path that lay in front of them was too difficult. Too hard. Stoudemire did not become a member of the “I coulda been somebody” club. Even though he went through a tragic childhood, filled with povery, sadness and loss, the guy overcame the obstacles. He attended SIX high schools. What the hell is that?

I can remember speaking with David Griffin, long before he became the Senior Vice President of Basketball Operations. about Stoudemire. He told me that when the Suns’ brass met with the young man before the 2002 draft, they knew they had their player. The middling Suns were in need of a shot in the arm. They needed a take-charge sort of guy. When interviewing Stoudemire, the Suns staff asked him to describe himself, to which Stoudemire replied, “I am a leader, people follow me.”

Now Stoudemire has never struck me as a leader in the rah-rah, traditional sense. But he seems to have that fire-in-the-belly that cannot be taught. No matter how hard you try, either you are born with “it” or you don’t have “it”. Stoudemire believes he is a leader and that is all there is to it. While Steve Nash comes across as the true leader of the Suns, Stoudemire is the sort of guy who goes out and gets it done. People fall in line behind him because of his sheer force of will.

Critics have always pointed out that Stoudemire’s game is not dynamic. He isn’t a Lamar Odom-type of power forward who a coach could use to run the triple post. His offense is limited to shooting, running the fastbreak and executing the pick-and-roll. Once he gets the ball, chances are it isn’t coming back out again. There is no hesitation on Stoudemire’s part, unlike the talented Odom who can be indecisive and frustrating. Most basketball coaches refer to a Stoudemire type of player as a “black hole,” like the thing in space that asteroids disappear into never to return.

While Stoudemire might never have seen a shot he does not like, at the same time he is the sort of player who will at least try to take the ball to the rim every time he gets it. He is most certainly not the type of player who will get the ball in the post, think about doing something and then pass the ball out for a guard to force a hurried shot attempt as the shot clock winds down.

Most recently, Dallas Mavericks’ statistician and Indiana University professor Wayne Winston claimed that Stoudemire is “totally overrated” and a “total stats stuffer”. Apparently Winston has the stats to back this up. Perhaps there is some merit to Winston’s analysis.

Amar’e is no dummie. Of course he goes for the stats. You get paid max money if you put up gaudy stats. The pride of Lake Wales, Florida did not get to where he is in life by being a patsy. Get your numbers and you’ll get paid big money. That is the way the business game of sports is played, and quite rightly, Stoudemire has his mind on the money.

The stats speak for themselves. 21.5 points and 9 rebounds per game. Throw in 1.5 blocks per as well. Add 54 percent from the floor and 75.5 percent from the free throw line. And Amar’e will get that for you every night. While the stats guru Winston might not be impressed, even he would have to agree that there is something to be said about the fact that if you were to plot Stoudemire’s stats, there would be very few outliers. Enough stats talk. What I am trying to say is that you can pencil in Amar’e for 21 and 9 because those numbers come with next to no standard deviation.

If nothing else, Stoudemire accomplishes the central objective in basketball: he puts the ball in the net, the biscuit in the basket as effectively as anyone who has ever played the game.

Notes
• Rankings are based solely on projected ’09-10 performance.
• Contributors to this list include: Jake Appleman, Brett Ballantini, Russ Bengtson, Toney Blare, Shannon Booher, Myles Brown, Franklyn Calle, Gregory Dole, Emry DowningHall, Jonathan Evans, Adam Fleischer, Jeff Fox, Sherman Johnson, Aaron Kaplowitz, John Krolik, Holly MacKenzie, Ryne Nelson, Chris O’Leary, Ben Osborne, Alan Paul, Susan Price, Sam Rubenstein, Khalid Salaam, Kye Stephenson, Adam Sweeney, Vincent Thomas, Tzvi Twersky, Justin Walsh, Joey Whelan, Eric Woodyard, and Nima Zarrabi.
• Want more of the SLAMonline Top 50? Check out the archive.

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  • Steve

    As for Amare, this is about right I think. Thing is with him, if his mind is on the job he can go for 30-12 consistently with reasonable defense, but if he feels he is being dissed by his team for whatever reason (Nash doesn’t feed me enough … wah, wah, wah) then he will settle for 18-8 with NO defense.

    The leader comment is a joke too, for the very reason outlined above.

    Plus slightly contradictory in the article … he is a leader but he is all about his own stats … Huh?

  • Steve

    Gasol is significantly better than Amare Teddy, are you serious?! Would Amare have been able to drag those sorry Memphis teams into the finals? Would Amare have been able to fill the role Gasol played on the championship team last year without pouting? Highly doubtful on both counts.

  • Afonso

    Gasol is the best PF in the NBA NOW THAT KG AND TIMMY ARE SLOWING DOWN…OBVIOULY IN THEIR PRIME BOTH WERE CLEARLY BETTER…Gasol is the second best player in the most talented team in the league…and Kobe´s career will never be the same because of the spaniard, Odom could not do what Pau does…again, like Bosh, complete PF game with virtually no flaws…that poor rebounding was interesting but with Bynum inside that expains a lot and if Gasol plays 40 min he´ll give 15 rbs easly..

  • KH10

    before his knee surgery amare was dropping 26 and 9 and scorched Timmy’s great D for 37ppg in the WCF, so NO i dont think its crazy to compare what could have been to the all time greats.

  • Teddy-the-Bear

    No way is Gasol the best PF in the league. I don’t care how slowed down you think Duncan is, he’s still better than Pau. And the rebounding? Let’s keep in mind Pau Gasol has only been playing on the Lakers for 2 seasons, one of them with Bynum out entirely. So no, Bynum is not an excuse that Gasol gets less than 10 rebounds a game. Not that 8-9 boards is bad, though; my point is Amare gets hounded for it and Gasol gets a free pass.

  • KH10

    im not gonna defend Amares defence too much, but this whole “hes a terrible defender” statement gets thrown around way too much. now people are saying ron ron is too slow, or Kobe doesnt try hard enough. even the BEST defenders get scored on, and when you put a guy like bowen or battier on an elite player like Kobe it usually fires him up to score even more than usual. there is no such thing as a “lockdown” defender, who never gets scored on, obviously some guys dont put forth the effort, which is what playing great D is all about, effort, heart and hustle. the last GREAT defender was scottie pippen, and theres no one even remotely on his level playing in the L today.

  • Steve

    Gasol > Amare.

    Could Amare have led those terrible Grizzlies teams to the finals? No.

    Could Amare have played the role on the Lakers that Gasol has played without b*tching about how much he saw the ball? No.

    Would the Lakers have given up as much for Amare as they gave up for Gasol? Hell, they would have given up that much for Kurt Thomas!

  • Steve

    +1 KH10, with the caveat being that Amare is a downhill runner, which those other guys are not.

  • http://fdsjklf.com Jukai

    I’m going to get creamed for this… Dirk right now is probably the best power forward in the game *gulp*

  • http://www.manutd.com Z

    Nothing outrageous about what you said, Jukai. Although, to me, TD is still the best around. Pau Gasol is going to be way too high because he happens to have played for the best team in the L last year. He is not better than Bosh and his game hasn’t changed one bit since his Memphis days. Same ol’ Pau, better team.

  • KH10

    Pau is one of the most fundamentally sound bigs in the league and has a great all around post game, he is making a quick jump from under to overrated because of LA’s success. I dont even know what Dirk is… you cant really compare his game to any other big man in league history.
    for the time being (if healthy of course) TD and KG are still the best in the league at the 4.

  • Yesse

    Really doubt this.I would have put many players over Amare on the list.Amare is good, but i dont put my money on players who cant play D 1-on-1.

  • Solon

    Amare >>>> Bosh.
    Amare is more explosive, better finisher, can absolutely dominate a game. While Bosh is very good, i have never seen him take over a game the way STAT has many times. Including the most impressive performances in a losing series vs the spurs a few years ago when he averaged like 40 and 12 against Duncan-the best Defensive PF of all time.
    I am pissed off the warriors didn’t trade for him. We woulda killed with a lineup of Ellis, Buke, Jack, Anthony Randolph, and Stat. sigh, to bad warriors are destined to suckk….

  • http://www2.gsb.columbia.edu/faculty/jstiglitz/ PANAGIOTIS VASILOPOULOS

    @Solon…..:you write “We woulda killed with a lineup of Ellis, Buke, Jack, Anthony Randolph, and Stat”. This lineup ain’t making the playoffs in the west.You need ,at least, a Jason Kidd in his prime to keep an order with so many (&that kind of) scorers ….. Once again, bball(even NBA regular season) ain’t a video/fantasy game where you add players with high ppg numbers and the bigger sum wins..W-A-K-E U-P!!!!!

  • http://www2.gsb.columbia.edu/faculty/jstiglitz/ PANAGIOTIS VASILOPOULOS

    seeing comparisons of Gasol (or Dirk,or Duncan) with guys like Amare/Howard is one of the reasons this forum is making my day.

  • http://www2.gsb.columbia.edu/faculty/jstiglitz/ PANAGIOTIS VASILOPOULOS

    @Yesse….:correct. How do you like Alba’s chances of getting past Marousi for the last ticket to this year’s EUROLEAGUE (big game is on sunday)?

  • http://fdsjklf.com Jukai

    Z: Eh… I’d agree with you, but Gasol just outright dominated Europe in just about every level imaginable a few weeks ago. There were other NBA players playing (including Parker) and none of them dominated half as much as Gasol did. Call it what you want, but Gasol is easily the fourth best PF next to TD, Dirk, and Garnett.
    Maybe I’m underrating Bosh because I think he’s reached a ‘new level’ while his team has simultaneously reached a ‘new level of suck’ so it’s counter-acting me viewing his progress… but Gasol is a better passer and defender, and while Bosh gets better rebounding numbers, that may be because of the fact that Bosh plays with bargniani at center, and you know, no one’s getting the rebounds but Bosh.

  • tavoris

    Now that Rose is out the way, will every comment section mentioned Parker and Bosh now? @ PANAGIOTIS VASILOPOULOS…what happened to your other s/n? say it loud….

  • TADOne

    I think Amare is going to have a lot of people eating their words this year.

  • rikson

    “Maybe I’m underrating Bosh because I think he’s reached a ‘new level’ while his team has simultaneously reached a ‘new level of suck’ so it’s counter-acting me viewing his progress…”

    Love that line jukai – haha! Plus I read somewhere above that tony parkers game is NOT easy on the eyes?! Somebody has to explain that to me….

  • wtf

    He’s vastly overrated…no D,just highlights…I mean what did he accomplish in his career?

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