Wednesday, October 7th, 2009 at 8:00 am  |  121 responses

Top 50: Amar’e Stoudemire, no. 16

The definitive ranking of the NBA’s best players.

by Gregory Dole

I really shouldn’t be commenting on Amar’e Stoudemire because I am a fan. I met him in 2003 and he still comes up to say hello to me whenever we cross paths. In my opinion, he is one of Amar'e Stoudemirethe most decent guys in the NBA. As a result, it is difficult for me to be objective. I apologize in advance if I come off as a cheerleader, the lowest form of the sports writer.

The guy is a beast. He is a dunking machine. When he first came into the League, it was like he was built on a pogo stick. Even with a mounting number of surgeries, Stoudemire can still throw it down like few others.

He has a very simple game tailored for the NBA. He is the prototype for the pick-and-roll. If the defender gives him the outside shot from the free-throw line extended, he will nail it. If the defender lets him get the angle and Stoudemire slips to the rim, the help defense better rotate because no one finishes with the same speed and ferocity.

More than anything, Stoudemire is the type of person who will not be denied. Thousands of prospects have fizzled out because the path that lay in front of them was too difficult. Too hard. Stoudemire did not become a member of the “I coulda been somebody” club. Even though he went through a tragic childhood, filled with povery, sadness and loss, the guy overcame the obstacles. He attended SIX high schools. What the hell is that?

I can remember speaking with David Griffin, long before he became the Senior Vice President of Basketball Operations. about Stoudemire. He told me that when the Suns’ brass met with the young man before the 2002 draft, they knew they had their player. The middling Suns were in need of a shot in the arm. They needed a take-charge sort of guy. When interviewing Stoudemire, the Suns staff asked him to describe himself, to which Stoudemire replied, “I am a leader, people follow me.”

Now Stoudemire has never struck me as a leader in the rah-rah, traditional sense. But he seems to have that fire-in-the-belly that cannot be taught. No matter how hard you try, either you are born with “it” or you don’t have “it”. Stoudemire believes he is a leader and that is all there is to it. While Steve Nash comes across as the true leader of the Suns, Stoudemire is the sort of guy who goes out and gets it done. People fall in line behind him because of his sheer force of will.

Critics have always pointed out that Stoudemire’s game is not dynamic. He isn’t a Lamar Odom-type of power forward who a coach could use to run the triple post. His offense is limited to shooting, running the fastbreak and executing the pick-and-roll. Once he gets the ball, chances are it isn’t coming back out again. There is no hesitation on Stoudemire’s part, unlike the talented Odom who can be indecisive and frustrating. Most basketball coaches refer to a Stoudemire type of player as a “black hole,” like the thing in space that asteroids disappear into never to return.

While Stoudemire might never have seen a shot he does not like, at the same time he is the sort of player who will at least try to take the ball to the rim every time he gets it. He is most certainly not the type of player who will get the ball in the post, think about doing something and then pass the ball out for a guard to force a hurried shot attempt as the shot clock winds down.

Most recently, Dallas Mavericks’ statistician and Indiana University professor Wayne Winston claimed that Stoudemire is “totally overrated” and a “total stats stuffer”. Apparently Winston has the stats to back this up. Perhaps there is some merit to Winston’s analysis.

Amar’e is no dummie. Of course he goes for the stats. You get paid max money if you put up gaudy stats. The pride of Lake Wales, Florida did not get to where he is in life by being a patsy. Get your numbers and you’ll get paid big money. That is the way the business game of sports is played, and quite rightly, Stoudemire has his mind on the money.

The stats speak for themselves. 21.5 points and 9 rebounds per game. Throw in 1.5 blocks per as well. Add 54 percent from the floor and 75.5 percent from the free throw line. And Amar’e will get that for you every night. While the stats guru Winston might not be impressed, even he would have to agree that there is something to be said about the fact that if you were to plot Stoudemire’s stats, there would be very few outliers. Enough stats talk. What I am trying to say is that you can pencil in Amar’e for 21 and 9 because those numbers come with next to no standard deviation.

If nothing else, Stoudemire accomplishes the central objective in basketball: he puts the ball in the net, the biscuit in the basket as effectively as anyone who has ever played the game.

Notes
• Rankings are based solely on projected ’09-10 performance.
• Contributors to this list include: Jake Appleman, Brett Ballantini, Russ Bengtson, Toney Blare, Shannon Booher, Myles Brown, Franklyn Calle, Gregory Dole, Emry DowningHall, Jonathan Evans, Adam Fleischer, Jeff Fox, Sherman Johnson, Aaron Kaplowitz, John Krolik, Holly MacKenzie, Ryne Nelson, Chris O’Leary, Ben Osborne, Alan Paul, Susan Price, Sam Rubenstein, Khalid Salaam, Kye Stephenson, Adam Sweeney, Vincent Thomas, Tzvi Twersky, Justin Walsh, Joey Whelan, Eric Woodyard, and Nima Zarrabi.
• Want more of the SLAMonline Top 50? Check out the archive.

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  • http://realcavsfans.com Anton

    A great businessman. I bought a case of cookies from him at his Defense Bakery Stand.

  • TADOne

    I think Amare being inactive for so long has made some of ya’ll quite delusional. Bosh may be a more well-rounded player, but he is not THAT much better than Amare. Stoudemire is a beast of a PF who can score almost at will around the basket. Does anyone not remember that he gave Duncan the business in the playoffs a few years back??

  • Ken

    Why didn’t you run a photo of him with the new goggles? This IS based on next year’s production, so where the goggles?

  • http://slamonline.com Sean H

    Unrelated, but are there any argumentative or persuasive essays regarding the NBA that Slam has wrote? I need to counter one for my english assignment so if someone could help me out with that it’d be appreciated, thanks.

  • http://www2.gsb.columbia.edu/faculty/jstiglitz/ PANAGIOTIS VASILOPOULOS

    @Ken….: correct!!!

  • http://www2.gsb.columbia.edu/faculty/jstiglitz/ PANAGIOTIS VASILOPOULOS

    BREAKING NEWS!!!!: Linas Kleiza said that the Spurs & Cavs will not be an easy opponent for Olympiakos!!! Since i am almost sure that my team is going to lose big-time in its two friendly matches next week in the states(for a reason Linas nicely explained) this will give plently of reasons to many of my kids(Eboy,Allenp,tavoris,jukai,etc) start drawing conclusions and laugh at me. I am prepared for it.

  • http://fdsjklf.com Jukai

    Spanny is right on everything he’s said so far. Parker is way underrated, Bosh is better than Stat, and Stat is overrated and this ranking is too high.
    Of course, he says stupid things on a daily basis, so it’s hard to take him seriously, but he’s right on this one.

  • http://fdsjklf.com Jukai

    Spanny: I don’t think Olympiakos has much of a chance against the Spurs and Cavs playing in NBA rules. Likewise, the team could do major damage if they played with FIBA rules.

  • TADOne

    Parker hasn’t even been listed yet, so i’m not sure how he is way underrated? And again, Bosh is better than Stat how? I will give you defense, leadership, passing and the fact that he can step out to 3 point range. Other than that, Stat is a better scorer and just as good a rebounder.

  • http://www.hibachi20.blogspot.com BETCATS

    i am prepared to say Chris Bosh is better then Amare’e”’e

  • Afonso

    AMEN TO THAT WAYNO!!!!!!!!! I WOULD TAKE BOSH OVER AMARE LIKE 100 DAYS A WEEK, only thing amare has on him is jumping, literally!! footwork, stroke, defense, BB IQ, rebounding, post moves; Bosh is better in every single category minus jumping out of a building…

    Now the shocker..today I´d take LAldridge and All Jeff over Stat too. may be bias with LA since I´m a TrailBlazers fan but All Jeff too…both are better defenders/post up players…David West also..

  • http://www2.gsb.columbia.edu/faculty/jstiglitz/ PANAGIOTIS VASILOPOULOS

    @jukai……:every dog has his day…..

  • http://www.hibachi20.blogspot.com BETCATS

    @Afonso: who is All Jeff? You would take everybody named Jeff over Amare’e”e? btw i am messing with you, i know you meant Al Jefferson, and since we have new commenting guidlines i now have to let you know my joke is not intended to offend you even though it is…

  • http://fdsjklf.com Jukai

    TADOne: I never said SLAM is underrating Parker. I’m saying the media generally does. SLAM has it’s own weird little ranking system pushed away from the general media.
    I mean, who else hyped Brandon Jennings so much outside of SLAM?

  • TADOne

    Hi Jukai. Yeah, didn’t mean to necessarily point your comment out, I was just too lazy to read everything. I have no issues with Slam’s rankings because they are literally opinions, nothing more. However, I still believe some people commenting on here are seriously sleeping on Amare way too much. Oh well, time will tell.

  • http://www.hibachi20.blogspot.com BETCATS

    jukai: espn, sports illustrated, and dime all gave Brandon coverage, but not as much as SLAM did.

  • TADOne

    And with all of this “man love” for Bosh, I still have yet to see him lead his team into the playoffs.

  • http://www2.gsb.columbia.edu/faculty/jstiglitz/ PANAGIOTIS VASILOPOULOS

    @jukai…..(4:22PM):PERFECT!!don’t know if you read Linas interview but this is EXACTLY what he said(and was also what i meant by saying “for a reason Linas nicely explained”). So, although my 4:34pm comment was directed at me ,one can say that today was “YOUR DAY” also…!!!!! (next thing that can happen is have Eboy&Allenp write FINALLY something that makes bball sence…but we are propably asking for many miracles to take place in the same day….)

  • http://slamonline.com Sean H

    Unrelated, but are there any argumentative or persuasive essays/articles regarding the NBA that SlAM has wrote? (Ex. Age limit) I need to counter one for my english assignment, if someone could send me a link or something i’d appreciate it!

  • http://slamonline.com Sean H

    Need argumentative essay related to NBA, i need to counter essay for english assignment, if someone could post a few links, i’d love you.

  • don

    just the way amare came back from surgery is already impressive.

  • Vegas

    I think it was a great write up one him, but i see him more as a 18, but hopefully i will be proved wrong…

  • UnRel

    this is a tad too high for STAT.. but i can see the logic of it.. he just seems to always be hurt..

  • http://www2.gsb.columbia.edu/faculty/jstiglitz/ PANAGIOTIS VASILOPOULOS

    GOOD NIGHT TO EVERYBODY!!!And to celebrate my big moment today(according to jukai)here is a song for me,you and our harmonious internet family under the kind SLAM roof….!!!! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d5CLmflrwIA

  • http://fdsjklf.com Jukai

    Spanny: I couldn’t find Klieza’s interview (although I just looked on nba.com and ballineurope for two seconds, so I didn’t try too hard) but I just assumed that was the problem.
    The rule changes are rather massive: people will say “you still put the ball in the hoop” but when you’re trained night in and night out to do things ONE WAY at the highest possible level, then something simple like moving out of the lane every three seconds becomes incredibly hard to do. Olympiakos is playing with an incredible handicap.
    I really hope one day that FIBA and NBA rules become unified, and that the good from both leagues is taken (three point line extention and NBA time/lane/goal tending corrections for FIBA, demolishing the three second rule and zone defenses for the US).

  • http://www.bulls.com Enigmatic

    In what planet is Amare Stoudemire better than Paul Pierce? In what planet will Stoudemire have a bigger impact in the NBA than Pierce next season? And did I actually see a Bulls fan say he hopes STAT comes to Chicago next year? Hell to the no, keep that no-defense, can’t average a double-double to save his life scrub away from my squad.

  • Shem

    @Tadone:I have yet to see amare lead his team into the playoffs. A team that had Steve Nash, Raja Bell, Shawn Marion, Boris Diaw, Leandro Barbosa and more. Amare couldnt even make the playoffs with Shaq, JRICH, Steve Nash, Grant Hill, Barbosa. My point: STAT has a much better supporting cast and hasnt done much better. Bosh is a better defender, scorer, rebounder, playmaker, more of a leader and clutch, Find me one thing Stat has on bosh.. JUST 1 thing in the game that STAT does better and no dunk attempts dont count

  • Shem

    I stand corrected, amare has a better fg % but bosh is still a better player

  • TADOne

    You guys are right. Amare is a bum. What was I thinking?

  • http://hibachi20.blogspot.com Moose

    Amare is a great player, but he should be a better one. Defense is lackluster, but he definitely has the gifts.

  • TADOne

    I could say the exact same thing about Bosh, Moose. My point is that people seem to be hating on Amare for a number of things. Bottom line, stats are stats. F*ck a system. Amare puts up numbers and wins games.

  • http://hibachi20.blogspot.com Moose

    Couldn’t agree more, TAD.

  • TADOne

    I would have enjoyed that more if you kept disagreeing with me. Oh well. I’ll take out my bad day elsewhere.

  • Afonso

    I hated on amare but this is his big contract year…my prediction is that he will average like 25,7,1,1blk with that Phoenix offense and a weeker supporting cast than in years past…I just dont like his game other the power dunks…think people, he could easly be almost as good as D12 patroling the paint, diference is Dwight likes rejecting people and grab 15rbs/game…amare just doest give a sh33t about rebounding and blocking shots, he has the athleticism to do it…

  • http://hibachi20.blogspot.com Moose

    TAD, if you find something that I could argue, I’ll definitely humor you.

  • rog123

    I admit bosh is a more versitle player than stat. However, there is NO WAY bosh is a better scorer. I don’t know exactly but I am sure stat has had more 40 point games. Bosh has more range, but stat got a little jumper too. HE IS NOT JUST A DUNKER!!

  • rog123

    BTW I am a bosh fan, but I think stat is better. Stat may not be all defense, but neither is bosh. He may not be a top rebounder, but neither is bosh. So idk how people can say bosh is better, when the main difference between them is that stat can get buckets like CRAZY

  • http://realcavsfans.com Anton

    Bosh moves further and further away from the hoop as time passes. His MuscleWatch summer was a failure.

  • KH10

    Amare is a beast! as a lifetime suns fan i hope he is fully ready to go this season, offensively he is RELENTLESS which sets him apart from guys like bosh who float around the perimiter a lot of the time, i wish he would step it up on the boards and on D, but he has spent his whole career with either marion or shaq who both dominate the glass.
    without the injuries we would be comparing him to KG and duncan instead of bosh.

  • Jesseg

    Man it’s funny seeing how much people underrate Amare. He is way better than Bosh. Bosh is not a winner. Simple as that. There is a reason he never even does anything in the weaker Eastern Conference….He’s overrated. Amare is gonna average 25 and 10 this year.

  • J-bird

    Amare is better than RuPaul (Bosh).

  • Afonso

    Bosh is WAY BETTER THAN Stat…not even close…one dimensional amare vs complete PF bosh…theres a reason why bosh is top 3 FA this summer and GMs want Boozer and JJohnson before amare…even GoldenState, which would suit amare´s game perfectly,NO D, didn´t want to give up Biedrins and Curry…Give them Bosh for those 2 and the Warriors are instantly all over that deal!!!!!!!!!

  • Afonso

    EVEN A SUNS FAN SAYING AMARE WITHOUT INJURIES WOULD BE LIKE TIMMY AND KG MUST FELL RIDICULOUS!!!!!!!!!

    THE 2 BEST DEFENSIVE SPECIALISTS PF OF A GENERATION SIDE BY SIDE WITH STAT NO D…LOLOLOLOL, RIGHT, WAKE UP DUDE!!!!

  • Afonso

    EVEN FOR A SUNS FAN SAYING AMARE WITHOUT INJURIES IS NEXT TO TIMMY AND KG IS HILARIOUS…

    PUTTING THE 2 BEST DEFENSIVE PF OF A GENERATION WITH MISTER STAT NO D BLASFEMY..LOL

  • Shem

    Amar’e does have somewhat of a jumper but we all know bosh has more range not to mention actually hits 3s. They re dead even at points at an average of 21 but bosh receives more attention and isnt a black hole. He ll kick it for the assist. By the way for everyone that still thinks amar’e is better Slam disagrees. Bosh averages more points, rebounds, assists, has more range, has less turnovers, definetly has more range… should i keep going?

  • http://www.slamonline.com Todd Spehr

    Amar’e: Please average 10 rebounds this year.

  • Teddy-the-Bear

    Gasol better be next.

  • Teddy-the-Bear

    Amare gets heat for never averaging over 10 rebounds a game. Pau Gasol hasn’t either. Nobody complains about HIS rebounding, though.

  • Teddy-the-Bear

    Amare is not better than Chris Bosh.

  • Steve

    Swap Parker and CP3 … i.e. give CP3 one of the best big men EVER and give Parker a team where the lane will be stuffed every time he drives and then you will get a true idea about how good Parker is (pretty good but not great) and how AWESOME CP3 is.

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