Saturday, October 10th, 2009 at 8:00 am  |  135 responses

Top 50: Chris Bosh, no. 13

The definitive ranking of the NBA’s best players.

by Justin Walsh

There’s not much to say about Chris Bosh that hasn’t been said. He’s from Dallas, he gets no respect for his skill-set and he looks exactly like a dinosaur. So let’s get to braChris Boshss-tacks.

He is thinking about free-agency. The general consensus in Toronto is that this year is make-or-break for his future in Toronto beyond this season. He wanted a better team.

GM Bryan Colangelo responds by completely changing the makeup of the roster, fortifying the midrange with athletic, solid forwards. He brings in a score-first guard in Jarrett Jack to bring a change of pace (in contrast to Jose Calderon) on the second team. He pulls a series of wild trades off to get the Turkish Jordan. He signs Bargnani to a long term deal, and then picks up Amir Johnson to bring hustle and athleticism to back him up.

This team is a series of yin-yang couplings, set for the next 3-5 years. The team looks better than it has in years. They are athletic, with a mixture of youth and veteran wisdom. On one end, you have DeRozan, the epitome of youth in the NBA. He’s charismatic, athletic, probably in over his head at this point. On the other end of the spectrum, you have Rasho Nesterovic- he’s an NBA champion, there to provide locker-room leadership and an example for the young-bucks to follow. Where’s Bosh? Somewhere in the middle, holding it all together.

…For now. Yes, Bosh noted he’s pleased with how coachable the team is, but there have been no kneejerk reactions to sign that contract with Toronto yet. He’s been there. He’s done that.

He’s in a unique situation. He can play coy and not answer the contract question without getting the “Hey LeBron, stop being a douche and answer the question,” treatment. Why? Because he’s not a super-star.

Bosh isn’t a top 5 player in the NBA. He’s one of the best 15 players in the NBA. He’s a franchise player. But he’s not a player that your franchise rides or dies on. Yes, there is a difference. See, Bosh is a player you can anchor your team around, give him max-contract money & expect him to help the community. But you need to put solid players around him to go deep in the playoffs. And you aren’t allergic to hearing trade offers. He’s 22 points, 10 rebounds, great in the locker-room. But he isn’t making Doug Collins sleep with his rookie card next to his bed like he probably does with that mint condition LeBron from Topps. He isn’t going to take over an entire series and give you the worst facial expression ever (Hey Kob’). That’s not a diss. He’s just not the droid you’re looking for.

Now that we have that cleared up, we move onto the trials and tribulations of being ‘’the guy.’’ Wait, what trials? If the team succeeds, he gets the credit. If they fail, surely that can be pointed to the fact that this team is almost completely new. The cats don’t even look at home in their jersey’s yet (remember how perverse AI in a Piston uni’ was?).

If he stays, he is anointed a loyal import to Canada, the crowd goes wild. If he leaves, you won’t see the Vince Carter-esque hate upon departure. Even without Bosh in the lineup, the Raptors have such promise in the next few years. Either way, Canada has mad hope for their Raps. Instead of having to worry about the drag of an entire country possibly dogging him all year, he focuses on his game. He puts on 20 pounds of muscle in the past 2 months. He’s gone from string-bean to get-big, ashy-to-classy, etc. What does this all lead to? Money. Max-Contract, G-5, Gordon Gecko quotes, wiping your ass with the Benjamins—the works.

Chris Bosh is going to get ‘the coin.’ He’s going to get paid an absurd amount of money to play basketball with his next contract. This is the last year Bosh will truly be dying for that cheese. After this, he’ll have that guaranteed contract. Anything after that is just for the game. So this is it. We’re going to see Bosh enter into his prime. He’s going to be better than last season. He’s going to be better than just about every power forward in the game this year. It may not get better than this, so let’s enjoy. Do you doubt Chris Bosh, the career 20 points-10 rebounds-80% from the line PF? Don’t.

When he was in Dallas, givin’ wreck at tournaments in HS, college scouts were enamored with his skills… but they fashioned him as a 4 year college guy, rotation player in the League. He was in the League after one campaign for Georgia Tech. When he entered the League, analysts questioned his ability to play in the post with his sleight frame. His career scoring average is 20 points per. 10 rebounds per. Now cats are questioning if he can make the next step & take a team deep in the playoffs. More doubters. We never learn.

Notes
• Rankings are based solely on projected ’09-10 performance.
• Contributors to this list include: Jake Appleman, Brett Ballantini, Russ Bengtson, Toney Blare, Shannon Booher, Myles Brown, Franklyn Calle, Gregory Dole, Emry DowningHall, Jonathan Evans, Adam Fleischer, Jeff Fox, Sherman Johnson, Aaron Kaplowitz, John Krolik, Holly MacKenzie, Ryne Nelson, Chris O’Leary, Ben Osborne, Alan Paul, Susan Price, Sam Rubenstein, Khalid Salaam, Kye Stephenson, Adam Sweeney, Vincent Thomas, Tzvi Twersky, Justin Walsh, Joey Whelan, Eric Woodyard, and Nima Zarrabi.
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  • T Money

    This was a great write up.

  • Afonso

    @greek fella: I know americans tend to overate their own and underate overseas players but DWIGHT HOWARD is one of the best IF NOT THE BEST BIG FELLA IN THE WORLD…If I had to pick one for my BLAZERS it would be D12…I know he cant shoot but the fact is he changes the hole freakin game defensivly and without post moves still scores A LOT!!!dont be like them PANAGIOTIS, Yao is excelent offensivly as much as Dwight is EXCELENT on Defense! and D12 manages to score 20something a game without great offensive moves, imagine if he got post moves…Bosh is in a fair place but should be Gasol and Bosh 14

  • http://www2.gsb.columbia.edu/faculty/jstiglitz/ PANAGIOTIS VASILOPOULOS

    @Afonso…..:i would also take Howard for the Blazers.It doesn’t matter anyway,you ain’t winning a chip with Roy as your first option (and although Pau is much better than Roy he would never be given the keys of the team), at list you can go for a spectacular regular season (like the Blazers of the past were doing also).

  • http://www2.gsb.columbia.edu/faculty/jstiglitz/ PANAGIOTIS VASILOPOULOS

    @Afonso….:to sum it up:Pau ,Manu, Parker etc are better if you need to win the big games, Howard, A.I., Arenas, B.Davis etc are better if you need to get stats for your fantasy league.

  • http://fdsjklf.com Jukai

    Spanny: Wouldn’t you take Howard over Pau and Manu and Parker just for the sheer FACT that if Howard added some post moves and a decent go-to jump shot inside the paint, he’d be literally the best bigman in the game right now? I mean, he gets 20-14 in the most physical league in the world with ease, and he’s still 23. I fully acknowledge Pau owned him hardcore… but wouldn’t you take Howard to build your team around?

  • http://fdsjklf.com Jukai

    Also, Bill Walton was the best passing bigman ever. Better than Sabonis. Play with it (sorry DP).

  • http://www.slamomline.com Justin Walsh

    Jukai, I dig that line. People, thanks for the comments. Greek guy: I get the point you’re trying to make, but you make this same kind of point in EVERY single comment section. If I did a post about Kirby’s dreamland, you’d probably tell me that Drazen Petrovic had a better floating kick than Kirby. (for the record, Drazen was one of my favorite players ever, regardless of country)

  • http://www2.gsb.columbia.edu/faculty/jstiglitz/ PANAGIOTIS VASILOPOULOS

    @Jukai…..: ‘strange’ how you use the word “fact”(with capitals!!) to start talking about an “if” situation….if i was in the mood(or you were one of my favorite geniouses) i would have made big fun of this….I am pretty sure 90% that Dwight will never develop a serious offensive arsenal just like i was sure 90% ,at the beggining of his career, that Shaq will never develop a consistent shooting stroke (a little secret to all kids around the world: Shaq, Wilt, “Big Sofo”, Howard etc cannot shoot the ball from 4 metres, it is not just the free throws. Again: NONE OF THEM CAN SHOOT THE BALL CORRECT, I-T I-S N-O-T JUST THE FREE THROWS !!!!).There are reasons for this that ,at least some of them ,you should be able to figure out. I am just telling you that Gasol and Divac(two guys i followed from 16 years old) had most of their offensive arsenal developed by the age of 19. Now, i would take him to build my NBA TEAM around him (regular season wins&stats & highlight dunks=vast appeal to the average fun=$$$$$ and the NBA is business by definition) but i wouldn’t take him to build my national team around him(best bball players=wins=world number 1 in the game). I would prefer for my “national” team: PG’S: DERON&CALDERON SG’S:KOBE&MANU SF’S:DURANT& SISKAUSKAS PF: DIRK&DUNKAN C’s: GASOL&PEKOVIC with DIAMANTIDIS as the fifth guard and Lebron as the fifth forward (Duncan can also play center and Pekovic is anyway a beast).This is also the best team our planet can compile to challenge another planet on basketball(as stupid as it sounds!!).

  • http://www2.gsb.columbia.edu/faculty/jstiglitz/ PANAGIOTIS VASILOPOULOS

    @Jukai…..:also, you’ve never saw SABONIS like you’ve never seen KUKOC so i will understand whatever you write.

  • http://www2.gsb.columbia.edu/faculty/jstiglitz/ PANAGIOTIS VASILOPOULOS

    @JUSTIN…..:what is kibry cream land?

  • http://www2.gsb.columbia.edu/faculty/jstiglitz/ PANAGIOTIS VASILOPOULOS

    @Justin…..:i agree.it’s just that someone 2500 years ago (a famous greek guy,you know…) said that “repetition is the mother of learning” (‘epanalipsis mitir mathisews’ in greek )

  • http://fdsjklf.com Jukai

    Spanny: Actually, Wilt Chamberlain had a relatively consistent jump shot from 10 feet and a fade-away that went in just about as much as Duncan’s. At one point in Chamberlain’s career, his coach asked Stilt to shoot a fade-away at the free throw line, to see if it would go in… but Chamberlain didn’t want to draw even MORE attention to his abysmal free throw shooting. He fully admitted he was a headcase and didn’t know why he couldn’t shoot a set free throw when he could hit the shot in the game.
    So, you know, you’re 100% wrong.

  • http://www.slamomline.com Justin Walsh

    Panagiotis, it’s an AWESOME game from the NES days. Also known as the Nintendo Famicom. And I’ve seen games from Kukoc and Sabonis BEFORE dudes were in the league, they were far better then. Sabonis came into the league with horrible knees and his back was shot. Still played his damn game. Before his body was gone, dude was a force. But again, I still think you’d mention this stuff in comments of stuff that has nothing to do with it! But it’s endearing.

  • http://fdsjklf.com Jukai

    Also, I’ve actually taken the time to watch old Sabonis games (found some decent footage).
    In fairness, I’ve never watched Kukoc play in Europe. HOWEVER, since he came into the NBA -IN HIS PRIME- and -NEVER AVERAGED OVER 20 POINTS- I’m going to say he would not make my top-whatever. It’s one thing to say Sabonis never really had a chance (he didn’t… he came into the league in his 30s and by then he had bad leg injuries) but it’s hard to argue we never saw “prime” Kukoc since he played for the Bulls since he was 24.
    Not to say the dude was bad, The Waiter was ballin’– 18, 7, and 5 is all-star stats. But don’t feed me no “best player ever” nonsense.
    BUT THAT’S ALL DIGRESSION REALLY— how many Bill Walton games have you watched?
    Bill Walton pre-injury would school Sabonis so damn hard. Of course, a young cat like you would never understand NBA basketball, you grow up around all this flashy fast jump shooting FIBA basketball… so, yeah, I don’t expect you to understand!

  • http://fdsjklf.com Jukai

    I’m not bad mouthing Sabonis though– easily a top 10 center ever, along with Stilt, Cap, Ropes, Dream, Diesel, Admiral, Modine, The Hoya Destroya, and Big Bill.
    And yes, I know I’m going to get crap from a Knicks fan for not adding Reed. So sue me.

  • http://www.slamomline.com Justin Walsh

    Juk, give him the ol’ one-two. Dang. Get em got em good. Phew. Pan, waiting for your comeback

  • http://fdsjklf.com Jukai

    Also, I’m going to say you have some valid points about Howard.. but if the dude did call up Hakeem or McHale and learned some sick post moves, UNSTOPPABLE.
    Plus, you know, the whole Defensive Player of the Year and 14 rebounds a game and all.
    I mean, you’re big on defense— isn’t the difference in offense between Gasol and Dwight just as big as the gap between rebounding and defense that Howard has over Gasol?

  • http://www2.gsb.columbia.edu/faculty/jstiglitz/ PANAGIOTIS VASILOPOULOS

    @Jukai…..:yeap , i am 100% wrong. (I just hope you don’t put any money on Howard developing any serious offensive arsenal at 25 years old….i don’t wish you go broke. Hope we are both here after 6 years to see who had it right. )
    @justin…..: thanks.

  • http://www.slamomline.com Justin Walsh

    Juk & Pan: Dwight has one offensive move, and it’s sad. Defensively, he can dunk. But his defense against a center with good footwork is not as great as cats talk about. He got DPOY because he’s good at help-side blocks during half-court defense and he blocks just about any layup a guard puts in front of him. Dwight, I have never been THAT into.

  • http://fdsjklf.com Jukai

    Spanny: Of course I wouldn’t put money on it. I’m not stupid.
    I still would draft him over Gasol due to age and defensive superiority.

  • http://www2.gsb.columbia.edu/faculty/jstiglitz/ PANAGIOTIS VASILOPOULOS

    @Jukai……..:Krauze wanted to give up Scottie in his prime for what he saw in Europe from Kukoc in 1989-1992. I would (maybe) trade the best SF of all-time(if you have M.J on yout team) if i had found a 6-11 Magic Johnson with a perfect three point shoot. Now, was Kukoc all this….?? Those who saw him at that period (maybe) know…(and Jerry Krauze!!!)

  • http://www.slamomline.com Justin Walsh

    Pan, now we’re just talking crazy talk

  • wassup

    bosh is better then pau.Those two play a game of one on one bosh eats em for breakfast.

  • Shem

    PANAGIOTIS is very bias, i bed he d take pavlovic over kobe and bosh is better then pau, easily. Bosh is one of few big men that average 20 and 10 ohh and pau isnt one of those few.

  • http://www2.gsb.columbia.edu/faculty/jstiglitz/ PANAGIOTIS VASILOPOULOS

    (This might be the most crazy-stupid-whatever comment i’ve ever written)
    @Jukai….: so you won’t put money on it cause you ain’t stupid waiting howard to develop an offensive game(correct) BUT at the same time i am 100%…it’s ok. I thank you both of the fact that you reminded me the game of Tony Kukoc. I will give you a list of the most complete players of all-time(completely subjective) based on what i saw and i have understood about guys before 1980. by complete i mean: at least very good on both offence& deffence, good outside shooting, really good size-athletisism for their position, leadership abilities,winning tittles.
    1)Jordan 2)magic(not great shooting but everything else phenomenal) 3) Kukoc 4)Bird (i thought about leaving him out for athletic reasons but check my Magic comment) 5)Wilt(i just thing that he could do whatever he wanted ) 6)KOBE 7)Isiah 8)West 9)Pippen 10)Penny(no titles but…) 11)Hakeem 12)Galis (i told you this is as subjective as it gets but he was that complete). That list doesn’t mean that i would take penny over Hakeem to build my national team(Hakeem&Sabonis are better players, penny is just more complete). ….Barely missing the cut: Manu, Webber, Oscar(not much of a shooter, inexcusable for a guard unless you are named Magic),Sabonis(not great ball handler, to lead a break for example).

  • http://www.slamomline.com Justin Walsh

    aaaaaaaaaaaaand Pan just lost his marbles. Hold on Pan, I’ll get Rufio, we’ll find your marbles. That’s a Hook reference. So clever

  • http://www2.gsb.columbia.edu/faculty/jstiglitz/ PANAGIOTIS VASILOPOULOS

    i won’t argue on my previous completely subjective comment.
    @shem….:i think that i am biased many times.
    @Justin..:NOW we are talking crazy talk…(at least i gave it my best shot)

  • http://www2.gsb.columbia.edu/faculty/jstiglitz/ PANAGIOTIS VASILOPOULOS

    @Justin…..:you propably right, i am starting losing it, i need a good sleep….(i really enjoyed constracting my crazy list though, so many images of bball excelence running through my mind, Kukoc playing all five positions on the 1991 final against Barca, Magic on game 6, Wilt running in Kansas, Pippen stopping by himself a 4 on 1 Jazz attack at 1997 finals in Chicago, Penny on game one of the 1996 eastern conference finals,Bird passing the ball,Hakeem making an effortless three to put the cherry to the championship,Webber running the break for the fab-five,Manu diving to save………).
    Good night to everybody and thanks. (I’ll answer everything related tomorrow.)

  • http:///realcavsfans.com Anton

    izzle

  • Lazarus

    He’s going to have a top 5 season this year, claim. 25 and 12 and raps win 50+ games. claim claim claim.

  • http://fdsjklf.com Jukai

    Pan: Okay, so explain to me why the fourth best player in the world played like a fringe all-star (it was a travesty he was never an all-star but the Bulls were so stacked, and Euros weren’t heavily favored) in the NBA? Is the NBA THAT much different than FIBA baskeball that someone can be the fourth best player of al time in the worlds but be nothing in the NBA, or was Kukoc’s best years 18-24 and once he turned 24, he had a massive drop in skill? He came to the NBA at his prime, dude! C’mon now…

  • chingy

    Dinobosh!

  • Teddy-the-Bear

    K.a is a dumbsh!t.
    Haha I said dumbsh!t.
    Haha he is an actual dumbsh!t.

  • K.a.

    WTF dude? Justin made this comments btw. I lold. He’s so endearing.

  • http://www.slamonline.com Pardeep

    Bosh is soo hungry right now. Watch out for the Raps they very well may just grab the 3rd seed. Bosh is averaging 25 ppg next year and is going to get serious MVP consideration if the Raps win. But they are going to have to make the Eastern Finals or else Bosh and D-Wade=2011 Champs. I mean where would you rather live for the same amount of money Toronto or Miami?

  • http://slamonline.com niQ

    lol i’m on a roll. i knew bosh would be next.

  • http://fdsjklf.com Jukai

    I’m waiting for Spanny’s answer. Saying Kukoc was the fourth best player ever is as dumb as me saying Dwight Howard is better than Kareem Abdul Jabbar. Hardcore.

  • KH10

    MUSCLEWATCH!! never been a fan of this guy, but he does put up decent numbers, shame about the hair too, that look is totally 1995.

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  • http://www2.gsb.columbia.edu/faculty/jstiglitz/ PANAGIOTIS VASILOPOULOS

    @Jukai…..:i remember seeing Kukoc for the first time after he got in the states and i honestly could not believe what happened to his body. He seemed to be a “fat” person (compared to what he was all his life in Europe). From a spider-like point-guard (he was thinner than Durant all his life) he became in one summer a small forward with a belly !!! of course he could still pass the ball like a magician he just had lost his speed-explosiveness-flexibility(i remember it like it is “NOW” that i felt that somebody ‘killed’ Kukoc during the summer of 93′, i had seen him in may in Euroleague and after 5 months he had became a ‘baloon’…) This dramatic body change ,combined with the fact that nobody would give him the keys of a team to run it like Magic in the NBA at that time, led him to be a complimentary player. Kukoc didn’t have the “crazy/killer” of a character that Drazen had…he simply choosed to change his style of game and feel good with what they were allowing him to be. At the same time somebody can say that Kukoc could not exist in the NBA of the early 90′s being so thin. They are right since they never had in mind to play him as a 6-11 version of Penny that he was….it is true that in the NBA of that period (with the Knicks of the time being the main opponent for the Bulls) he could not play at forward and this is what the Bulls wanted-needed(Mason & Oakley would have injured him just by touching him). Again: Kukoc BEFORE 93′was a 6-11 version of Penny (SAME explosiveness, with better D, passing insticts and leadreship qualities).

  • http://www2.gsb.columbia.edu/faculty/jstiglitz/ PANAGIOTIS VASILOPOULOS

    @Jukai…..:forget about Kukoc, you will never get it and you are 100% excused for this. Being unable to see why you cannot mention Howard in the same discussion with GASOL&DIRK is what you are not excused for….or to be more exact: you are excused just 20%,since i give you the ‘allowance’(i don’t know how to say it) of growing up in an environment full of videogames,fantasy leagues,shoe commercials etc…

  • http://www2.gsb.columbia.edu/faculty/jstiglitz/ PANAGIOTIS VASILOPOULOS

    @jukai….:i’ll give you a link for you to see how his body was in his prime.

  • http://www2.gsb.columbia.edu/faculty/jstiglitz/ PANAGIOTIS VASILOPOULOS
  • K.a.

    everybody knows euro players are garbage. They can’t even dunk in game. Some of them even still take set shots. One time I saw a euroleague game and thought i was watching the wnba.

  • http://www2.gsb.columbia.edu/faculty/jstiglitz/ PANAGIOTIS VASILOPOULOS

    @K.a…..:__________.(yeap,that’s my kids!!!!!)

  • http://slamonline.com cb 34

    @ jukai: You’re totally wrong about walton being the best passing center. Inaccurate. He’s just on divac’s level. Sabonis had unreal court vision. He made passes that only guards would do. His passing was something else.

  • http://fdsjklf.com Jukai

    CB: I typed up a long post, but it never showed, so…. I respectfully disagree. Obviously I haven’t seen a LOT of Sabonis, but Walton’s passing when he was 30+ far exceeded Sabonis’ passing. And they both had terrible knees. I may be wrong, who knows, my opinion is that Walton is the best passing bigman ever. I obviously never watched either to the extent that others have.
    Spanny: Kukoc was pretty thin when he first got to the bulls:
    http://www.interbasket.net/players/kukoc.jpg
    http://www.zonade3.com.ar/fotos/tonykukocg.jpg
    Also, Kukoc was a vastly underrated passer (the fact that he could average five assists with very little control over the ball was impressive, to say the least) but I think by comparing him to Magic, you’re just elevating one of your heroes from childhood. I don’t think anyone really thinks Kukoc passed like Magic.

  • http://www2.gsb.columbia.edu/faculty/jstiglitz/ PANAGIOTIS VASILOPOULOS

    @cb 34….: i like your distinction between Divac and Sabonis, i know it is accurate. I don’t know about Walton, i haven’t seen him play.

  • http://www2.gsb.columbia.edu/faculty/jstiglitz/ PANAGIOTIS VASILOPOULOS

    tonight we (OLYMPIAKOS) play against Lebron and Shaq. Yesterday’s game against the Spurs couldn’t get us any SLAM coverage (i gave a brief cover and highlight links at the GASOL post) either because there where too many foreigners involved(Olympiakos and the 2 best Spurs at the moment Manu&Parker…) or because everybody is sleeping here during weekend….I hope Lebron’s & Shaq’s “kindergarden marketing power” will get us some coverage tonight….BIG SOFO against SHAQ means the current against the former strongest bball player in the world…interesting.

  • davidR

    can slam do a ranking of the best/most stacked teams to NOT win a title in the past 20 years? ie. the sabonis/wallace/pippen blazers, the pacers, the kings, etc.

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