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Thursday, October 1st, 2009 at 8:00 am  |  174 responses

Top 50: Danny Granger, no. 21

The definitive ranking of the NBA’s best players.

by Tzvi Twersky

After sifting through comments on this site, a handful of thoughts crystallized in my mind. One, however, grew into a much bigger stone than the others, and is apropos for me to regurgitate it in this post. The thought: You guys, readers and writers alike (hell, I’ll even include myself in there), do not Danny Grangergive Danny Granger near as much credit as he deserves.

Coming off a season in which he put up close to 26 ppg, 5 rpg, a block and a steal a game, you’d think this wouldn’t be true. You’d think that everyone would agree that Danny “Batman” Granger is a top-25 player in the L. You’d think wrong.

For reasons known and unknown to me, people are still sleeping on Danny Granger’s game.

Let’s take a quick look at some of the “known” reasons he’s not given the credit that’s due:

—Location, location, location: An empty Conseco Fieldhouse and a lack of nationally televised games makes it difficult for casual fans to keep up with Granger and the Pacers. If Danny played in L.A., New York, Boston, Philly—really anywhere but Indiana—there’s no doubt that he’d be sifting through endorsement offers and potential magazine covers at this point in his career.

—Style over substance: Even when you do watch Danny, his game doesn’t grab your attention. A variety of Js, floaters and corkscrew drives aren’t as sexy as some lesser players rocking the rim or knocking down deep threes. Because of this understated style, he’s not on SportsCenter’s Top 10 too often, and therefore he’s not on your screen too often.

—Lack of a proper pedigree: Prior to entering the NBA, Granger played college ball at Bradley and, later, the University of New Mexico. And while he put up steel-solid numbers there, they weren’t mind-blowing. Coupled with his lack of NCAA Tourney exposure (he played in March, but barely), only true fiends knew and appreciated Danny’s game then. Free of national ink and your attention, Danny quietly slipped to the Pacers at No. 17 in the Draft. And that’s where he plays now, still unwatched by the masses.

As far as I can tell, these are three major reasons behind the deep sleep on Granger. Looking at them, they’re all kind of valid…if you’re not a true fan of hoops. With LeaguePass and broadband broadcasts of games available online, I implore you, watch Granger play a few times. Focus on him and solely him. It’s worth a few hours of your time. Why? Because Danny Granger’s earned your undivided attention. Here’s how:

—Respect due: Coming up in one of the toughest sections in Louisiana, without his mother around no less, Danny’s father kept him off the streets by building a little hoop next to their crib. Night after night, year after year, that hoop kept Danny on the straight and narrow, and eventually led to his making it to college. Suffice to say, with or without your attention, Danny’s come a distance. But if you don’t like a good story, feel free to continue ignoring this one.

—He got game: Even at face value, Granger’s stats garner heaps of respect. Dig deeper though. Playing in only 67 games, DG led all SF’s—from Tayshaun Prince to LeBron “King” James—in blocks per game (1.45), and more impressively in total blocks (97). Imagine if he would’ve played in all 82 contests. On the offensive end, Danny finished fourth in the L in threes made, again, while missing almost a quarter of the season. At 6-8 plus a little, Danny has a shot that guards would die for, and snuff totals that bigs would like to call their own. Thrown in a steal a game and 5 boards, Danny may be one of the most versatile players you’ve never seen.

—Ethics of our fathers: A lot of players sit on their game, happy with where it’s at. Not Danny. According to teammates, coaches and players League-wide, Danny is one of the hardest working players in the L. It shows, too.  Last year Danny Granger became the first player in the history of the League to up his scoring average by five-plus points a game for the third straight year. With a work ethic like that, his game will be polished to a spit-shine real soon.

—Clutch as h-e-ll: Some players play well when games are out of reach, or before they get to heated, not Danny, though. Aside from hitting a game-winner against Phoenix this past winter, he has a tendency to go bananas in big games and in tight spots. After making his first All-Star team this year, look for Danny to make, give or take, eight to ten more.

There you have it: Tzvi’s take on why Danny belongs right where he is on this list. After all my arguments pro-DG why don’t I think he should be higher? Because at the end of the day, all respect given, Granger doesn’t have that game. Remember, the top 15 or so players in the A are the best of the best. Not only do they work hard, they have vast seas of natural skill, and highlights worth of flashy buckets. They’re not good at multiple things, they’re great at them. Danny’s just a little slow on his feet, or two inches to short, either one, to be in that league. But he’s as close as he can be.

Bottom-lining it, Danny Granger may not be of the same caliber as a Dwyane Wade or Kevin Durant, but he’s damn close. But since the man’s averaging 25-5-1-1 with no one watching, does he even rate?

You may still disagree, but I think so.

Notes
• Rankings are based solely on projected ’09-10 performance.
• Contributors to this list include: Jake Appleman, Brett Ballantini, Russ Bengtson, Toney Blare, Shannon Booher, Myles Brown, Franklyn Calle, Gregory Dole, Emry DowningHall, Jonathan Evans, Adam Fleischer, Jeff Fox, Sherman Johnson, Aaron Kaplowitz, John Krolik, Holly MacKenzie, Ryne Nelson, Chris O’Leary, Ben Osborne, Alan Paul, Susan Price, Sam Rubenstein, Khalid Salaam, Kye Stephenson, Adam Sweeney, Vincent Thomas, Tzvi Twersky, Justin Walsh, Joey Whelan, Eric Woodyard, and Nima Zarrabi.
• Want more of the SLAMonline Top 50? Check out the archive.

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  • Karl

    Where will D-Rose be? That’s all I’m wondering now.

  • thomas

    completely forgot about Granger as well…
    good position for him… hist stats last year were crazy…
    oh and first btw ;)

  • Solon

    first

  • Solon

    D. rose is next gotta be

  • Solon

    this write up was spot on-he is a baller-but no one watches…oh well.

    Oh-and I take back everything I said when i was b*tching about the Warriors not having any rep. What a mess this is turning out to be….

  • joey

    @ nr1,

    much too high in my opinion…

  • Naptown boy

    watch out for the pacers this year… danny and brandon are gonna surprise the hell outta the league

  • Ashenafie

    Where is starbury??
    ITS GOIN DOWN!!! Lol

  • Bart

    Al Jefferson is better

  • kobesbestfriend

    danny granger in the top 25 is a travesty!!!i see Slam is finding new ways to reward mediocrity!!!

  • a_whiteman

    Good spot for batman, I hope he gets the exposure he deserves

  • neaorin

    kobesbestfriend is gonna have a heart attack when he sees Durant in the top 10.

  • Solon

    Al is better-when healthy. He did just have knee surgery-players are rarely the same afterwards.

  • http://myspace.com/brandnew Bryan

    Danny granger is really good, I just wish he would rebound just a tad more, 6 or 7 per game.

  • LeoneL

    Since this is a ranking for the next season, I can’t agree more that Hermione’s big brother is on the top 25. The Pacers would win some games next season right? And Danny would be the reason for those wins.

  • ENDS

    Deshawn Stevenson throat tattoo get on it slam. Did I mention it was Abe Lincoln

  • Furious

    This guy is better than Rose.

  • kobesbestfriend

    am i missing something here?are the pacers even gonna come close to making the playoffs?shaq and agent zero is gonna have way more of an impact this year than mike dunleavy’s flunky!!!

  • http://hoopmixtape.ning.com/ Simon S.Y Lawy

    D.Rose overrated …
    R.Rondo average triple double under his defense …
    That says it all …

  • kobesbestfriend

    did any1 see this loser in the 3 point contest or the allstar game last year???it proved he didnt deserve to be there…not a high caliber player at all…he is a bum plain an simple!!!

  • http://hibachi20.blogspot.com DP

    You damn right we don’t give dude his credit. I forgot all about this guy until now. Silly me because Danny’s ceiling hasn’t stopped yet. This guy should have been an all star last year but he will be one for rest of his career. play wit it.

  • backboard

    ok. all fine and all. you talk about him being such a versatile player, but what about the assists? no mention anywhere!

  • http://hoopmixtape.ning.com/ Simon S.Y Lawy

    I’m not a Rose hater, he’s just not that good YET …

  • http://hibachi20.blogspot.com DP

    That’s why this list is the top 50 players in the L based on what SLAM thinks they will do this upcoming season man. Rose has top 20 potential this year. Last year the guy was top 30 at least. play wit it.

  • neaorin

    @kobesbestfriend: this is supposed to be a list of the best NBA players. The power rankings won’t start coming in until later.

  • neaorin

    @kobesbestfriend: LOL. you made your judgment on Granger by watching him in the freaking 3-point contest?! OK I will stop taking you seriously now.

  • http://www.boogiewilliams.com Boing Dynasty aka make it reign aka flightschool aka the ghetto Kornel David

    If you ever got 60+ points dropped on you by Danny Granger in 2K9 on PS3 it was most likely me.

  • Bart

    Al’s knee surgery won’t effect him check out his interview on NBA.com he will be the best big man this year barring Dwight defensively but i’d say if there was a dispersal draft in the NBA Al goes before Granger

  • kobesbestfriend

    danny is no where near better than steve nash,agent zero,or vince carter…hell stephen jackson is just as good as this allstar wannabe…trading captain jack was 1 of the worse decisions in pacer history…along with retiring that overrated reggie miller’s jersey!!!

  • Bullsfan887

    rose can not be on this list anymore…it would be insane if he was…top 30 player max

  • tavoris

    kobesbestfriend…wtf r u saying? Danny Granger is only this low because he missed a bunch of games. If he’s healthy for 82, he’s AT WORST the fifth best SF in the entire league (Lebron, Melo, Pierce, & Durant). Say you want about his 3-point contest performance, but his J is WET in the game-where it matters most. Also, remember that the most prolific perimeter shooter in the league NEVER won that contest.

  • T Money

    Dear SLAM.
    Thanks for making everyone hate Derrick Rose.
    T Money

  • http://myspace.com/brandnew Bryan

    I’d take him over paul pierce.

  • kobesbestfriend

    who is most prolific perimeter shooter in the league ???cuz if i recall peja and dirk have both won it…and kobe has never been in it thanks to him breaking his finger

  • kobesbestfriend

    danny granger sux!his stats are only that good cuz he is on a team of scrubs bottom line!he’s not better than tough juice i guarantee u that!

  • tavoris

    kobesbestfriend, that would be one Reggie Miller. The All-time leader in treys (until Ray Allen passes him) has NEVER won the contest.

  • tavoris

    anf for the record, Reggie Miller is NOT overrated. He got 20 points on 12 shot attempts for over a decade.

  • Teddy-the-Bear

    Derrick Rose TOP 20?!

  • Teddy-the-Bear

    I like Derrick Rose too.
    LOL @ T Money.

  • Teddy-the-Bear

    Co-sign tavoris about Reggie Miller. If anything he’s underrated. He should have been top 50, but SLAM put STEVE NASH ahead of him. Ahahahaha.

  • http://slamonline.com/ niQ

    WHAT? Ok I’m not going to lie, the first thing I said when I got to the site today was WTF. In my books Danny Granger is top 15. You guys are sleeping on this guy HARD. I never really cared where you rated people since people will flame over it anyways. But this is giving a new meaning to the word Underrated. I mean, if Durant is going to be rated so high, this guy should be RIGHT next to him.

  • http://www.slamonline.com James the balla

    Danny should be higher. As much as I LOVE DRose and Granger. Granger should be ahead of Rose… Maybe Rose is not on this list lol. WHo knows!!

  • Player

    Danny Granger is an amazing player. I really hope he plays for Team USA in next year’s World Championships. We could really use his outside shooting and ability to space out the floor.

    My ideal 2010 Team USA:
    PG- Chris Paul, Deron Williams
    SG- Kobe Bryant, Dwyane Wade, Brandon Roy
    SF- LeBron James, Kevin Durant, Danny Granger
    PF- Carmelo Anthony, Chris Bosh
    C- Dwight Howard, Amare Stoudemire

  • http://slamonline.com/ niQ

    Okay, I love Durant’s game and all but, just compare these guy’s stats and you’ll realize that SLAM is riding Durant’s b@lls hard.

  • Heretik32

    How come no one ever thought of the most basic nickname for Granger?

    Granny Danger.

    So obvious, so fitting.

  • tavoris

    Player, that squad is PERFECT except for Stoudemire…Brook Lopez would be a much better pick (and much less likely to complain about the lack of minutes)

  • http://yahoo.com Logues

    wow, derrick rose is gonna be way too high

  • #31andONLY 4EVER

    reggie miller is the greatest 3-point shooter ever to grace the Hardwood, Ray Allen just chucks up 3′s, and is wide open, he wouldn’t have been able to do that 12 years ago when the game was more physical!!!!

  • tavoris

    logues, I think he’ll probably be next….no higher than 18.

  • kobesbestfriend

    reggie miller was a glorified loser and thats it!all those great clutch playoff shots dont mean crap because every 1 of them he ended up losing the series(except the 1 where he pushed down greg anthony to steal the ball and score 8 points in 15 secs)every1 seems to forget he lost all those series…wow any1 can jack up 3′s on john starks and make a name for themselves!the pacers have always underachieved and danny grager is just the lastest addition to a garbage franchise of losers!

  • #31andONLY 4EVER

    and kobe may be the GREATEST basketball player(BETTER THAN JORDAN! EVERY R.MILLER#31 FAN KNOWS THIS!!!!) Kobe stil cant shoot like Reggie, Dirk choked in the finals, and Peja chokes in the PLAYOFFS period, wow they can hit a couple open 3′s in 1 minute, WHO CARES!!!

  • #31andONLY 4EVER

    @kobesbestfriend – I gurantee ur just a 30year old man, who sucks at basketball, and just tries to bag on any great player from the Pacers becasue you just hate the pacers, and u probaly drive a peice of shit 350zx!! KOBE’S BEST FRIEND??? KOBE RAPES UGLY WHITE WOMEN, WHEN HE HAS ONE OF THE BEST LOOKING WIVES AT HOME WITH THE KIDS!!! REGGIE DOESNT DO THAT!!

  • http://hoopmixtape.ning.com/ Simon S.Y Lawy

    Shut da F**K up kobesbestfriend…

  • tavoris

    kobesbestfriend, Reggie jacked up shots on MJ too.

  • tavoris

    Simon, you may as well entertain him…there’s always one or two trolls in these parts…

  • #31andONLY 4EVER

    ???????????????

  • Marine4Life51

    @kobesbestfriend if you think Danny Granger isn’t a top player in the league, you are either extremely biased, extremely misinformed and haven’t seen this guy play, or just smoking crack. Has stephen jackson ever averaged 25.8 ppg? didn’t think so.

  • http://jggamer14@aol.com jose

    Is Rose gonna crack the top 20?!I kno hes good,but cmon now. Oh wait but this list is also based 0n how the player will contribute to thier team right? then he better be next if not,den not at all

  • Orlando Green

    Granny Danger..thats good I like that.

    I gotta say, I’ve never seen Granger play, and why would I, do I really want to sit through even 1 quarter of Pacer action.

    Can he fly? or is he just a shooter?

  • #31andONLY 4EVER

    if kobe cant shoot like reggie then how come he holds the record 4 most 3′s in a game?like i said any1 can jack up 3′s and lose series for their team!it takes a real man 2 bring home the trophy…and kobe has the hardware 2 prove it!face it if it wasnt 4 spike lee there would be a reggie miller…if spike wasnt in attendence in the garden that night reggie woulda had tha came career as del curry!!!

  • Nupe

    It’s obvious not a lot of people have seen DannyG play or they would be saying he should be up higher on the list if anything. If you think Reggie M was overrated then you’re just plain wrong! Yes Indy underachieves but that’s due to the team not to just one player that comes through every night. Danny is clutch – not like Reggie was – but he has serious game and folks just sleeping on him. And why the heck do folks keep bringing up D (can’t pass an SAT on my own) Rose for? If he’s on the list at all, he’s way to high.

  • kobesbestfriend

    if kobe cant shoot like reggie then how come he holds the record 4 most 3’s in a game?like i said any1 can jack up 3’s and lose series for their team!it takes a real man 2 bring home the trophy…and kobe has the hardware 2 prove it!face it if it wasnt 4 spike lee there would be a reggie miller…if spike wasnt in attendence in the garden that night reggie woulda had tha came career as del curry!!!

  • http://myspace.com/brandnew Bryan

    Reggie miller was good at one thing.

  • http://hoopmixtape.ning.com/ Simon S.Y Lawy

    kobesbestfriend = #31andONLY 4EVER …

  • JOMAY

    SCOTTIE PIPPEN 3000!!!

  • tavoris

    kobesbestfriend…donyell marshall is the one Kobe ousted for that particular record. Kobe is a GREAT, GREAT shooter. I don’t think anyone really debates that. @ Bryan…Reggie Miller carved out a HOF career out of doing ONE thing well. The one thing he did well-shoot-he did better than almost anyone in history. @Kobesbestfriend..BTW, he was an All-Star before those antics with Spike, and he had a long history of hitting clutch shots on EVER East contender. Give Reg his respect-he even lead Dream Team 2 in scoring. And even more, he NEVER did anything destructive to the Pacers. Can your “best friend” say the same?

  • http://slamonline.com Allenp

    Derrick Rose is number 20. Betcha.

  • jerboy

    are you kidding me…this guy below derrick rose. imean seriously RONDO below rose is absolutely ridiculous. yea im a hater alright.screw rose man…

  • Nupe

    There are a lot of great players that never got a ring (barkley, malone, stockton etc). Just like there are a lot of scrubs & marginal players that have gotten multiple rings (Salley). Does the fact that salley or horry have more rings that kobe make them better than kobe? All I’m saying is don’t discredit a player b/c they don’t have the support to get the hardware. On the other side – don’t give too much credit to a player with a ring. R. Miller – great player without a doubt. No rings to show for it, but look at the film and the stats. (and No i’m not a miller or indy fan).

  • tavoris

    Nupe, they don’t see how Granger scored JUST as efficiently as Durant. Durant gets the love because he hasn’t even turned 21 yet (not even close to his prime), while Granger is 26 (entering prime). Granger is probably right at his peak, but Durant can easily average 30 for the next 7-10 years.

  • http://www.slamonline.com Wayno

    Another notable good shooter that hasn’t won a 3pt contest is Chauncey Billups…he did terribly in his attemts at the contest but I’d like you to find anyone on here who thinks he;s a bad shooter based on that. Danny Granger is underrated if anything. If he stays healthy he’s gonna be a top 4 SF this year (I think he has 1 more year of being better than KD). Sounds like Kobesbestfriend loves the Pacers…

  • http://www.slamonline.com Wayno

    How do you feel about Rik Smits Kobesbestfriend?

  • http://slamonline.com/ Ryne Nelson

    That was for ENDS, if you caught it.

  • tavoris

    lmao @ wayno

  • http://myspace.com/brandnew Bryan

    He’s still overrated. Not as a shooter but as a player , I mean what’s the difference between him and jeff malone or dale ellis. Less three pointers I guess.

  • http://myspace.com/brandnew Bryan

    He’s still overrated. Not as a shooter but as a player , I mean what’s the difference between him and jeff malone or dale ellis. Less three pointers I guess.

  • #31andONLY 4EVER

    REGGIE IS THE GREATEST– PERIOD — AND WHAT DOES SIMON MEAN BY *kobesbestfriend = #31andONLY 4EVER*????????????

  • #31andONLY 4EVER

    REGGIE MILLER IS GIVEN HIS DUES JUST BECASUE HE DIDNT WIN A RING????? THEN WHY IS JOHN STOCKTON 2 MALONE IN DISCUSSIONS FOR THE BEST PLAYERS EVER!! A RING DOESNT MATTER, ALL THAT MATTERS IS YOU GIVE EVERYTHING YOU GOT TO THE GAME, AND REGGIE MILLER DID THAT, HE DIDNT DO OFF-COURT ANTICS, LIKE JUMP OVER A CAR, OR COURT RAPE CASES!! UNCLE REGGIE WAS PURE!! A GOD!!! AND HE IS “STILL” THE GREATEST!!

  • http://slamonline.com Allenp

    Bryan
    Jeff Malone and Dale Ellis never put up 24 a game.

  • http://myspace.com/brandnew Bryan

    Dale ellis put up almost 28 a game at least once and jeff malone got at least 23 on a few seperate occasions.

  • Marine4Life51

    #31andONLY 4EVER – look at the post two down from your last one.

  • tavoris

    Allenp, actually, Dale Ellis did (for four years). Bryan, Jeff Malone was woefully underrated in his heyday. He was one of the few players who didn’t get humiliated by Jordan, and stuck mid-range J’s with regularity. Ellis or Jeff Malone, however, did not have the responsibility of being the #1 option on a franchise for their ENTIRE career, while scoring efficiently and effectively and nuturing the young talent. Reggie also had more playoff success with less overall talent than any elite SG from the 80s-90s era.

  • TADOne

    Respect due.

  • rog123

    Never had a chance to watch him play but he looks like pippen. Face and body type. Also got pippins number.

  • rog123

    Was/Is rip hamilton on this list?

  • http://bulls.com airs

    all these rondo fanboys gotta stop riding his d*ck.
    overrated overrated overrated.
    put a freakin cast like rondo has around jannero pargo and he’d have the same output.
    rose over rondo is totally justified. top 20? not too sure about that, i honestly thought 21 wouldve been a good spot. even 23. but yeah, SLAM screwed up and made haters for drose everywhere.

  • dmac

    granger is top 5 fantasy pick…he should be way higher

  • http://myspace.com/brandnew Bryan

    Dale ellis actually had a stretch of 24.9 ,25.8,27.5 23.5 ppg seasons. Then scored in the mid teens off the bench until he was like 39 or something. He also averaged more rebounds per game than reggie “hall of shame” miller making him imo more complete, meanwhile jeff malone retired with a higher ppg and very similar rebound and assist numbers and I’d hazard to guess actuall attacked the basket on occasion but somehow reggie is so revered. He’s only so revered because he f*cked up the arrogant “we’re the better team ,they just beat us” knicks in a very public way. F*ck reggie miller.

  • http://slamonline.com Allenp

    Bryan
    Damn. I stand corrected. Maybe you’re right.

  • http://slamonline.com Allenp

    Bryan
    Dale had a sick four year stretch, but Reggie was better longer, and he had more team success. But, that was a helluva comparison. I didn’t know Dale Ellis was nice like that.

  • tavoris

    Bryan, the main different between Reggie and Ellis is health. Reggie played thru stuff that Ellis missed 30 games for. Additionally, Ellis was more of a gunner, where Reggie got his within the context of the offense.

    Jeff Malone is a completely different type of player. He shot VERY few threes in his career. His living was on 15ft jump shots (like Rip Hamilton). Neither, scored as efficiently as Reggie. It’s not even close. Reggie got 20 points on 12 shots for his career.

  • tavoris

    Allenp, Dale Ellis had a quick, quick release…one of the quickest I have ever seen.

  • http://myspace.com/brandnew Bryan

    Basically my point is reggie miller averaged 3 rebounds and 3 assists for his career as a 6’7 inch guard and that’s ridiculous. I don’t care if it wasn’t his job blah blah , if you’re 6’7 and you stand near the basket you end up with 3 rebounds on accident , meanwhile guys like dale ellis with a similar skillset did the exact same thing at a higher level just for a shorter period and he gets NO love. As for jeff malone well he was like 6’3 so his low rebounding numbers can be forgiven. But to reiterate F*CK REGGIE.

  • onlyclipfanonslam

    I actually think this is too low… should be closer to 15. Anyone else who gets 25 and 5 will be around the top 5. If he was healthy they make the playoffs

  • kobesbestfriend

    if danny granger is so good y cant he get his team 2 the playoffs in a weak eastern conference?just cuz ur the best player on a scrub team doesnt make u a top player in the league!and yes reggie miller was a good 3point shooter but that was it!any1 can run around picks and shoot 3′s and play no defense…if he was so good he woulda won a ring!and on dreamteam 2 he was wide open every play thanks 2 the diesel!!!

  • tavoris

    Bryan, you’re overstating Dale Ellis’s rebounding. 3.5 per game for a SF is nothing to speak of-especially since Reggie averaged 3.0

  • http://myspace.com/brandnew Bryan

    I know he was a different type of player that was part of my point.

  • TADOne

    Shia hit the way back machine.

  • tavoris

    also, reggie only have ONE season (his last) where he missed more then 15 games. for a career that spanned almost two decades, that’s enormous in any HOF consideration. Dale had a good run, and any “best shooter ever” discussion has to include him, but he was much more like Glen Rice or Michael Redd…Reggie has the college, regular season, playoff, All-Star, and Olympic pedigree to make his acclaim well-earned. He produced consistently at all levels.

  • http://myspace.com/brandnew Bryan

    Reggier got 18 points on 13 shots not 20 on 12 and jeff malone shot a better percentage from the floor and the line. Reggie hit more threes that’s it period.

  • http://myspace.com/brandnew Bryan

    Jeff scored 19 on 16 shots without threes and in fewer minutes per game. Also he had back to back 25 point seasons. If jeff malone had his prime in the mid to late nineties this wouldn’t even be discussed jeff malone >>>>> reggie.

  • tavoris

    Bryan…47.4% vs 48.4 is a miniscule differece, and empty when you consider that Jeff Malone got most of his bucket TEN FEET closer to the basket than Reggie. If Malone > Reggie, then how come Reggie has almot 3 times as many playoff games than Malone, while playing as many seasons. Jeff Malone played with Bernard King, Michael Adams, John Stockton, and Karl Malone. All four of those players are arguably better scorers than ANY player Reggie has teamed with. Yet, Reggie won more consistently, stayed healthier, played longer, shot better from the line, shot better from 3, and NEVER was traded?

  • UnRel

    kobesbestfriend: just for the record.. not all of kobe’s fans are lick this.. i’m pretty sure he doesn’t have many basketball friends and comes up with these theories while playing nba live 1996.. but to the topic.. D.Granger is a beast.. the write up is spot on.. he’s a superstar player.. but isn’t at ‘that’ level of the L’s elite players.. but might be the closest to it.. and @kobebestfriend.. i’m a big KB24 fan.. but last year.. granger dropped 32 and 28 points on our guy.. so give the kid some respect..

  • UnRel

    i don’t care if people think another player is better that Reggie Miller.. but to say he’s overrated is just stupid talk..

  • tavoris

    oh yea, Reggie got to the line more, also. the only time Jeff Malone was considered better than Reggie was before he got traded to Utah in 1990. Since then, he was considered a dispensable role player, and at best the third option on their team.

  • http://myspace.com/brandnew Bryan

    I just disagree I think reggie is super overrated , there a lot of players who hit clutch shots not all of them are or should be first options I think if reggie would have been a third option I’d resepct him more. For now I think as the alpha player he should have done more on the court than hit shots just my opinion I could be wrong but that’s fine its not going to change my mind, I’ve said it before if you trade allan houston straight up for reggie you get the same player.

  • http://myspace.com/brandnew Bryan

    The problem is if he doesn’t score he doesn’t help your team. That’s my feelings about him if he doesn’t take 500 threes he’s useless except as a scare tactic. “Oh sh*t reggie might get hot” but then again he might not and then what?

  • http://www.bulls.com Enigmatic

    Who the hell is “Cmonpeoples”?? That’s what it initially said my name was on here this morning. Anyways, what’s with all the Rose hate? Seriously, so maybe he doesn’t deserve to be on some Top 20 list, maybe he do. But y’all make it sound like he should be in the NBDL or some trash. Stop the hate. Derrick Rose is for real, coming to break a point guard’s ankle near you.

  • http://myspace.com/brandnew Bryan

    I know its not the popular or agreable opinion but its mine, I own it and ill own up to it, if people think I’m an idiot or stupid because I don’t get the reggie miller love , ill live.

  • http://www.another48minutes.com Gerard Himself

    @Heretik32: Granny Danger – made me smile!

  • http://myspace.com/brandnew Bryan

    Since reggies shot looks like he’s getting hacked when no one is within 15 feet of him and when someone is he kicks his legs like a f*cking donkey I’m ignoring the ft attempts.

  • tavoris

    Bryan, do you mean the same allan houston who was a salary Albatross and an irrelevant player by the time he was 32?

  • UnRel

    @Bryan.. i’m not going to sit here at look up stats and throw them up on my comment just to sound smart.. but to me.. let’s not compare reggie to houston.. but to shaq.. saying reggie is useless without putting up 3s is like saying (early career) shaq is useless if he isn’t dunking.. or dwight, for that matter.. reggie was an underrated defender.. not a lock down.. but he wasn’t glen rice.. and coaches would change their defensive approaches just so reggie doesn’t go off.. but to back you up as well.. jeff malone was a bad, bad boy… dude could hoop with the best of them..

  • http://slamonline.com/ Ryne Nelson

    Reggie Miller was clutch and proved it against some of the game’s best players… ever. That’s the big difference right now. Tzvi and I were saying that Granger’s skills are better, but he’s got to acquire those years and years of tough plays. And I’m not sure he’s capable.

  • http://slamonline.com/ Ryne Nelson

    That said, he’s a problem. A big problem.

  • tavoris

    well put, Ryne

  • #31andONLY 4EVER

    BRYAN, you sound stupid, Reggie Miller was GREAT for 18 years, you didnt see 200,00 people crying when dale ellis, glen rice, or jeff malone retired!!! reggie instilled his work ethic into all Pacer fans, and if you cant respect what he did for a franchise, then go screw that kicking donkey you were talking about!!!!

  • #31andONLY 4EVER

    and i still dont know what –kobesbestfriend = #31andONLY 4EVER means, can someone explain it???

  • #31andONLY 4EVER

    and i still dont know what –kobesbestfriend = #31andONLY 4EVER means, can someone explain it???

  • kobesbestfriend

    if u cant get ur squad 2 the postseason u shouldnt be in the top 30 period!

  • http://myspace.com/brandnew Bryan

    I guess you missed it when I said I didn’t give af*ck what you said 31forever.

  • http://slamonline.com Allenp

    How do you instill work ethic in fans?
    Do y’all buy jersey’s better? Cheer harder? Get drunk faster?

  • kobesbestfriend

    besides hit 3′s did reggie do anything significant in his garbage career???

  • #31andONLY 4EVER

    Pplus BRYAn, if you didnt care how GREAT reggie wuz, then why are you trying to downplay his career like he wasnt the BEST at what he did??? did you NOT see how he dunked on the whole NETS team in 2002???? or how ’bout that fast break 3 he hit in the finals on rick fox?? it wasnt just clutch reggie did!! he gave Indiana fans something to cheer about!!! when it looked like the pacers were gonna be kicked outta the L in 1987, Donnie Walsh made the greatest pick!!

  • jdn41

    this is sickening if d rose is better than granger he might as well be top 10

  • #31andONLY 4EVER

    Danny Granger is the TRUTH!! a beacon of hope in a otherwise dark a dreary world!!!!

  • kobesbestfriend

    reggie sucked on the court and sucks even more now in the broadcast booth!

  • slick ric

    Stop hatin, D Rose the best player in the game lol.

  • kobesbestfriend

    danny granger is a nice shooter and all…but not nice enough 2 be in the top 30 players in the league!

  • slamfan4life

    Rose>Granger

    Rose was only 20 and he tore up the playooffs, Granger is good but who else is on his team? NO BODY thats why he got his #’s, since BG is gone i bet ANYBODY that Rose will avg more pts

  • http://www.slamonline.com Wayno

    kobesbestfriend = kobe’s mom

  • kobesbestfriend

    danny granger fouled out trying 2 guard kb24

  • http://slamonline.com/ niQ

    LOL WAYNO

  • black pinoy

    oh yeah.. dale ellis was good..but reggie miller was still better … dont base it on any stats fools.. reggie is better than dale.. just try to guard him on a motion play.. try to fight off thhose screens and see how youd fair.. dale couldnt do what miller did.. and oh yeah.. grangers good too..hope he plays for the us team so wed see how good he really is

  • Shem

    Derrick Rose is better then O.J Mayo, Allen Iverson, Jameer Nelson and some others that have been named. So yes he is on this list and i’d guess hes coming next BUT dont get me wrong i love his game but he should not be 20.. well not now atleast. On to the article, Granger should be higher hes an ATM from mid range AUTOMATIC. watch a couple pacers games and you ll see the article even says so it self. Granger will be a top 3 sf at the end of next year if he already isnt. AND @ kobesbestfriend I hope you know kobe wont be 1st and kevin durant is in the top 10 so i hope your ready to critize slams ranking a lot more.

  • http://slamonline.com/ niQ

    On another note, how did the ranking of Granny Danger suddenly turn into a Reggie Hate thread, talking about Dale Ellis (whom on first look I thought you guys were bigging up Dale Davis LOL), and Jeff Malone? Lol.

  • http://slamonline.com Brad Long

    As far as Reggie Miller is concerned I don’t know much about his basketball career but I always loved that 80′s movie he was in..Oh, what was called…You know, the won where he rode in the bike basket and made the kid fly in front of the moon?

  • http://slamonline.com/ niQ

    And to the person who mentioned Pippen, I like Granger has actually said (in a SLAM article) that Pippen was his favourite player. So yea, maybe that’s where his number is from.

  • Nbk

    Sup renaldo balkman gotta be coming up next 2 or 3 spots. I think you talkin boutET? I thought he was in love with that ring he stole from that midgets uncle

  • http://DarkakaMIP.com Nbk

    I am prophecising darko milicic for most improved player this year. D’antoni gonna make dumars look even worse

  • http://www.manutd.com Z

    No opinion on Granger but I just wanted to say that Reggie Miller is one of the most overrated players of all time.

  • Sam I Are

    After watching Granger play against the C’s after his teeth got knocked out at the start of last season, my respect for him has been through the roof.

  • http://myspace.com/brandnew Bryan

    Whooooooaaa cosign z that’s a first. Whoever said the thing about the screens said it best there’s a lot of good shooters that if they had 7678923 screens set for them they would score a lot too. I can’t believe I forgot to mention the most important part : he couldn’t create his own offense. Which in turns means he couldn’t create offense for others. Yep that’s what I call overrated.

  • bulletsforever

    granger is a consensus top 5 fantasy player…not sure if that means anything just thought i’d throw it out there.

  • Teddy-the-Bear

    Bryan, you’re an idiot for saying Reggie Miller is overrated. How many players not named Michael Jordan have hit more gamewinning shots than Reggie Miller? Yeah, get the heck out of here with your bull. I like how Reggie h@ters NEVER talk about his clutch performances–which is a huge reason WHY he was a great player–, but instead resort to, what, that he had good screens set for him? LOL okay, whatever you say, but nobody is going to give a sh!t what your dumb@ss says either, Bryan.

  • Teddy-the-Bear

    Its times like these when I hope people like Bryan stop liking the same teams that I do.

  • http://realcavsfans.com Anton

    Speaking of things more exciting than Danny Granger, when can we order LeaguePass for your computer? I signed up for the e-mail thing but haven’t gotten anything yet. Does it include pre-season games?

  • Teddy-the-Bear

    Okay maybe that was a little extreme ya’ll, and I didn’t mean to be so vulgar, but I’m only lashing out because some w!gg3r skateboard jack@ss who does grafitti in his suburban neighborhood made fun of my mustache. I kid you not.

  • Teddy-the-Bear

    Well, that was awkward.
    @ Allenp: Try 24 points on 14 shots per game. That’s incredible, actually.

  • http://myspace.com/brandnew Bryan

    Teddy the bear : seriously you should just drop dead.

  • Rusty

    Dear Slam, please ban kobesbestfriend from anything to do with basketball for life.

    Also Batman is dope.

  • Teddy-the-Bear

    About the skateboarder, I was referring to my friend’s home-made movie. He reads SLAM sometimes; inside joke.

  • Teddy-the-Bear

    Anyways:
    @ Bryan the @sshole:
    First of all you don’t know me, so please, go f*ck yourself you piece of sh!t. I’m pretty much going to refuse your invitation to an E-beef after this, because you’re a grown@ss man and you should know better, but:
    Your argument that Reggie is overrated is freaking stupid, you have no basis for it other than d!ckriding whatever Z says, and you’re a dumb jack@ss. Just putting it out there.

  • http://myspace.com/brandnew Bryan

    I never agree with z so you’re wrong there. And you blame me for starting e beef, but you called me an idiot and continue to name call. Right.

  • Teddy-the-Bear

    Whatever, no more name calling. Hopefully we don’t get banned.

  • Teddy-the-Bear

    Also, I thought your comment at #31andONLY was being randomly insulting which made me get all Internet angry, but I hadn’t read his previous comment; my mistake.

  • http://myspace.com/brandnew Bryan

    I won’t get banned I didn’t break any of the rules.

  • Teddy-the-Bear

    Okay now that’s ridiculous. But I’m not going to sit here and argue with you about little details and “tattle” to SLAM about you breaking the rules. Bye.

  • backboard

    lol, the last 20 posts made for good comedy. when teddy gets on a roll, the emotions, back and forth… poor Bryan. lol

  • Steve

    LOL at people hating on Reggie and Granger. Just shows how market size and media attention affects casual fans and those outside the market. You guys are the same people who think Turk and Roy are AWESOME AND UNDERRATED! Here’s a hint, they are both extremely overrated (and overpaid) now.

  • Clay

    Enough with the D Rose comments! He’s a ball hog and he can’t shoot

  • http://slam.com tealish

    Yeah that Reggie Miller… oh Danny Granger? His game’s nice. 21′s alright. I’m just wondering how high Derrick Rose is going to be. It’s getting comical!
    The cynic in me thinks that he’ll be next though, just so SLAM can lay claim to the fact that they dubbed him top 20 and get love from DRose later on when he does become a superstar (IN LATER YEARS).
    But really, next year: Derrick Rose is a top 20 player? TOP 20 of the NBA we’re talking about?

  • http://www.hibachi20.blogspot.com Hursty

    Can I get the last 20 minutes of my life back please?
    Those comments (around 90%) were trashhhhh.
    and bestfriend and 31#greatest are the same damn person. Both spreading illiteracy to the masses.

  • Teddy-the-Bear

    Co-sign tealish. Derrick Rose will not be a top 20 player in the NBA next season, in my opinion.

  • http://hibachi20.blogspot.com Blinguo

    So, here is a link to some batman onomatopeyas:

    http://www.batmania.com.ar/paginas/serie_onomatopeyas.htm

    Included is some SWISH! (fitting for Granger) among the ZAM BAM BOFFs!
    Jack Nick Joker lookalike in the top row, BAP! one. All kinds of what’s going on there, Robin getting thrown in the water with Joker.

  • http://hibachi20.blogspot.com Blinguo

    Crying about the list = might be better to go back into hibernation until your B.F.F. A.S.S. forever Kobe.

  • don

    DG’s fave player is pippen, and yes, that’s where his # came from. TOO bad for him though, he has to play Jordan on this talent-deprived indiana team. I’m waiting on hansborough though. Let’s see if he is over rated. and yes, i’d pick rose over rondo even though i am a rondo fan,.

  • Shem

    @Teddy the bear and Bryan: You wont get banned, its just there for show. Reggie Miller is overrated. I do think hes a top 50 player of all time BUT he isnt as good as Teddy is advertising

  • LOAF

    i like Granger he is a strong player and hard worker i get minimal access to real games so getting into these in depth arugements or “discussions” is hard for me

    but damn its always a good read at WORK

    LOL

  • Phila

    322

  • tavoris

    Shem, the posting rules are “loosely” enforced.

  • http://slamonline.com Niya-girl-fresh

    Wish I could’ve commented on this when it was still hot but my pc was acting stupid. Danny deserved this spot, dude really showed his true skills last season, he earned himself a “All-Star” spot and everything he deserves this spot, no complaints here.

  • big z

    check this if u dont think Dangers is any good
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tD24ehcaqJQ

  • FLO

    I believe Danny should be Top 20, I got the opportunity to watch like 10-12 Pacer games at the end of the year last year and he is a problem. His game improves every year and every year people think his game has hit the ceiling. But this man works hard every year to improve and I can’t wait to see what he does this season.

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