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Monday, October 11th, 2010 at 8:00 am  |  153 responses

Top 50: Chris Bosh, no. 13

The definitive ranking of the NBA’s best players.

by Adam Figman / @afigman

Chris Bosh was in a fortunate, enviable place this past June. As a free agent in a buyer’s market, he’d be getting paid. A wide range of teams and players wanted him on their side, so he’d have his pick of wherever he felt he’d have the best chance of winning a title. After uniting with one superstar, a second decided to join, and the pieces were in place. You remember this, I imagine.

Before he brought his respective talents to South Beach, the first knock against Chris was that he didn’t deserve max money—that he hasn’t proven he’s good enough to hold the top spot on a competing team, so top dollars he didn’t deserve. Fair enough. The deepest a Bosh-led crew has traveled in postseason action is the first round, and with plenty of assistance (Hedo Turkoglu, Andrea Bargnani, José Calderón and Jarrett Jack) in ’09-10, the Raptors failed to make the Playoffs. (CB4 averaged 24 and 11, both career highs, during the season.) If a squad that stacked can’t get out of the Lottery, perhaps the Dallas-raised 26 year old wasn’t bred to be a Head Captain, a surround-him-with-a-supporting-cast-and-you’re-set kind of guy. He puts up numbers, but leadership might not be his strong suit. Maybe he’s better off as a Robin.

Hold that thought.

So this summer he went to play with his buddies Dwyane and LeBron in Florida—where each member of the triumvirate signed $100 million-plus deals. And there’s the fashionable second knock against him: that he (and his superfriends) wimped out, choosing pleasure and fun over competition and adversity. A just critique of LBJ and DWade’s choices, both of whom have to protect legacies that’ll remain relevant far beyond their tenures on the court. But for Bosh, it wasn’t only the most exciting move; it was the most logical one. If the Heat fail, it’s no longer on him, an adjustment that’ll lift what was clearly a burdensome weight off his back. And when they succeed it’ll be in large part due to his contribution, as the third option is still a vital one on a contender—especially one so devoid of weapons beyond its starting lineup.

Now he’s finagled himself into this ideal arrangement, where he can fulfill his long-awaited destiny. At times he’ll step up and be the man, which he’s shown he can do on occasion. But for the most part, James and Wade will be the stars, while Bosh will be utilized as a glorified role player on a team able to use a five-time All Star as a freakin’ role player. He’ll be great at it, and if you think there’s a chance Miami as a whole won’t also be great, you’re probably overlooking the skill set this guy brings to the table.

Some were confused as to why the lanky power forward was so desired this offseason, which might stem from how difficult his game is to pin down. As far as bigs go, he can’t shoot like Dirk; can’t finish like Amar’e; can’t body folks like Dwight and Shaq; and doesn’t have a trademark like Tim’s post-game or KG’s intensity. Bosh fits slyly in between all of ‘em. Guard him close? He’ll blow by you. Leave him open? He’ll bury the J. Give him a little space? He’ll shoot over you. Dude can take slow-footed fours and fives off the dribble, can pound smaller defenders down low, and can gracefully knock down open or contested jumpers when tested to do so. It all makes him a boring superhero (how many kids do you think have Chris Bosh jerseys hanging on their walls?), but a perfect sidekick, one who can do what’s needed, however necessary.

Which is all to say that his location in our Top 50 is perfect. To be straight up, he doesn’t belong in the Top 10—not if he can’t be the first option on a playoff team. He sat at this exact ranking last year, and had he brought his squad to the postseason and put together a strong run, he probably would’ve cracked single digits this go-around. He didn’t, but his solid personal output gave us no reason to slide him down.

That said, I don’t know if 13 suits him anymore. As of late he’s been pretty damn lucky.

SLAMonline TOP 50 PLAYERS OVERALL RANK POSITION RANK
Player Team Position 2010 2009 2010 2009
Ray Allen Celtics SG 50 36 10 9
Gilbert Arenas Wizards SG 49 34 9 8
Lamar Odom Lakers PF 48 33 14 10
John Wall Wizards PG 47 NR 13 NR
OJ Mayo Grizzlies SG 46 46 8 12
Al Horford Hawks C 45 NR 6 NR
Jason Kidd Mavs PG 44 45 12 10
Joakim Noah Bulls C 43 NR 5 NR
LaMarcus Aldridge Blazers PF 42 39 13 12
David West Hornets PF 41 31 12 8
Monta Ellis Warriors SG 40 NR 7 NR
Andrew Bogut Bucks C 39 NR 4 NR
Yao Ming Rockets C 38 NR 3 NR
Brandon Jennings Bucks PG 37 NR 11 NR
Zach Randolph Grizzlies PF 36 NR 11 NR
Stephen Curry Warriors PG 35 NR 10 NR
David Lee Warriors PF 34 NR 10 NR
Brook Lopez Nets C 33 NR 2 NR
Gerald Wallace Bobcats SF 32 NR 7 NR
Manu Ginobili Spurs SG 31 29 6 7
Tony Parker Spurs PG 30 15 9 3
Kevin Garnett Celtics PF 29 13 9 3
Rudy Gay Grizzlies SF 28 44 6 9
Josh Smith Hawks PF 27 40 8 13
Andre Iguodala 76ers SG 26 26 5 6
Al Jefferson Jazz PF 25 23 7 7
Russell Westbrook Thunder PG 24 NR 8 NR
Chauncey Billups Nuggets PG 23 19 7 5
Tyreke Evans Kings PG 22 NR 6 NR
Danny Granger Pacers SF 21 21 5 5
Carlos Boozer Bulls PF 20 32 6 9
Paul Pierce Celtics SF 19 17 4 4
Joe Johnson Hawks SG 18 20 4 4
Rajon Rondo Celtics PG 17 27 5 8
Amar’e Stoudemire Knicks PF 16 16 5 6
Steve Nash Suns PG 15 22 4 6
Tim Duncan Spurs PF 14 6 4 1
Chris Bosh Heat PF 13 13 3 4

Notes
• Rankings are based solely on projected ’10-11 performance.
• Contributors to this list include: Jeremy Bauman, Maurice Bobb, Erildas Budraitis, Sean Ceglinsky, Ben Collins, Bryan Crawford, Sandy Dover, Adam Figman, Manny Maduakolam, Eddie Maisonet, Ryne Nelson, Doobie Okon, Ben Osborne, Charles Peach, Branden Peters, Quinn Peterson, David Schnur, Todd Spehr, Kyle Stack, Adam Sweeney, Dennis Tarwood, Tracy Weissenberg, Lang Whitaker, Eric Woodyard, and Nima Zarrabi.
• Want more of the SLAMonline Top 50? Check out the archive.

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  • Skaye

    Interesting, C.Bosh is one spot higher than Tim.
    And how about D.Rose?

  • fiz

    Bosh shouldn’t be this high…

  • Blackphantom

    Can’t believe he’s ranked above The Big Fundamental

  • http://www.slamonline.com/online/nba/slamonline Effie

    ARE YOU KIDDING ME?
    Bosh is better than Tim??
    Huh!

  • http://www.slamonline.com Eboy

    Perhaps Bosh as a third option is exactly what he needs to be. Getting 16 and 10, somewhere in that range, from a third option, isn’t hard to take. He’s had flashes thus far in his exhibition time with the Heat. If he keeps knocking down that J from the side, he may average 20 a game. I have no problem with this spot for him.

  • JoeMaMa

    SLAM screwed up. Tim Duncan is a better player than Bosh, and, as Bosh is the third option on his team, his ‘projected’ season for 10/11 won’t be as good as Tim’s. Maybe the team will do better, but Tim will likely have a better season, and is a harder working, stronger, more complete player. SLAM…you guys really screwed this one up. Flip the spots. Show us that the world isn’t a cruel, cold place. And that you’re secretly not operating under the direction of the Heat’s local sports station, ESPN.

  • KB8toSG8

    This is a joke…..Even if its for next season, Bosh can’t even dream of having the influence Tim has on the Spurs. Bosh looks like a joke….

  • KB8toSG8

    influence Tim has on the Spurs NEXT season…to be more clear.

  • http://www.slamonline.com Eboy

    Will everyone have the same outrage about D-Rose’s placement, cause that dude is not a top 12 talent? THAT’S the fu*king sham of this list and it hasn’t happened yet.

  • http://Www.fiba.com Darksaber

    Wow, Rose is this year’s Paul Pierce huh? (the player from last year’s top 50 who got hated on the most for what most perceived to be a bad ranking). as for the Top 50 criteria, projected importance for the new upcoming season, it’s probable that CB will outperform Timmy. Blair, Mcdyess and Splitter will give Duncan more opportunity to rest and stay fresh for the postseason, while Bosh will carry more of the scoring/rebounding (And Spoelstra prays: shotblocking too) load on the Heat.
    On reputation alone though? No WAY in hell is CB a higher ranked player than the Timbot.

  • Bruno

    I’m glad I’m not the only one who doesnt understand Bosh ahead of Tim Duncan … but I guess I’m the only one that dont understand Bosh being this high in the top 50, a lot of players way better than him right now

  • http://bulls.com C-Lo_The_Great

    Drose harefest continues. I still don’t understand it. For the record I am a Bulls fan, but i feel like Rose will be a complete beast this season. And CB24 will have a better season than Timmy. You can only play at a high level for so long, right? Prove me wrong TD.

  • michael

    if you are in the top 13 you should be capable of carrying a franchise….bosh is not that guy. decent player and will be great for Miami, but this is too high

  • Groves

    i like it… but chris.. get some defense.. NOW!

  • J.C.

    Eh, this isn’t a lifetime achievement ranking. I love Tim a whole lot more than I do Bosh, but I think if I was picking teams I’d take Bosh over Timmy right now.

  • J.C.

    Also we can’t call him CB4 anymore by the way, dude’s rocking #1 these days.

  • Miamijoker

    This is good spot for bosh and d-Rose is now an elite player. While Tim Duncan is a Hall of famed but can’t play at Chris bosh’s level anymore so everyone calm Down.

  • IAMORANGE4EVER

    Bosh’s age obviously plays a factor in his ranking. Another thing to consider, Bosh still hasn’t even reached his full potential yet. Heck, I joke about calling him RuPaul, but I’d say he’s on the cusp of being a top 10 player, so 13 is a good spot for him right now.

  • Barry

    Bosh isn’t more suited to being Robin. Bosh is Alfred the butlet.

  • JoeMaMa

    James, Wade, and _____ this season. Would you take Bosh or Duncan? Obviously Duncan. (remember, the projections are for THIS season) Who’s going to be better on D this year? Duncan. In the post? Duncan. Leadership? Duncan. Proven clutch play? Duncan. Fundamentals? The big Fundamental. Duncan is, and will be, at least for this year, better than Bosh. This ranking was influenced by The Heat’s projected win total, which I have no problem with, though it should be noted that James and Wade are more responsible for this slot than Bosh himself. Any Heat fan who wants to win it this year would take Duncan over Bosh this year. Of course, Bosh is younger and a better long term investment, but like I said: in the projected year ahead, it’s Duncan all day.

  • Barry

    *Butler

  • http://slam Kid Canada

    Okay well the big fundamental is slowing down a lot in his carear now. If u put him on the heat there wouldn’t be that big of a difference but Bosh is better.

  • http://www.twitter.com/hurstySYD Hursty

    Eboy – are you kidding? The whining about Rose started almost 10 spots ago.
    For Bosh to be 13th, it likely means someone ranked him in their top 10 while others had him on the 20 fringe(17-22). Which is where he belongs for THIS season.
    SMH on Rose and Bosh. I’m sorry, but I just don’t see it.
    And don’t give the BS about ‘potential injuries’ either. Otherwise S-Jax, Brooks would’ve been here. This spot isn’t justified.

  • http://www.twitter.com/hurstySYD Hursty

    co-sign JoeMaMa at 9.29 absolutely.

  • Chris

    Well, in defense of Bosh, TD isn’t as young as he used to be, and neither is their big three (see Ginobili’s injuries and Parker’s loss of speed)

    While Bosh has a team stacked with weapons, teams can hardly go doubling off James and Wade to double team him down on the block can they? While last season with the like of Amir “Overpaid” Johnson and Jose “Bricklayer” Calderon, teams felt free to zone right in.

    I reckon people are right to say that his shooting will likely decrease maybe 17 and 10, but I’m sure he’ll be shooting a higher percentage since he’ll be getting more easy dunks than ever before.

  • Barry

    I’d rather have had Amare than Bosh too. At least Amare can light up a highlight reel. Bosh is as quiet on the court as Duncan, but Duncan is a proven consistent leader. Bosh chose wisely to join Wade and LeBron. Cos without them, he won’t win a thing.

  • lucci

    This write up did nothing to explain why he is 13.

  • smitty

    Wait, your telling me Rose is a top 12 player in the NBA. He wasn’t even a top 7 player on the B olympic squad. How is he top twelve.

    He isn’t even a top five PG in the league either. This list is complete BS. No way it can be consider a “definitive” ranking.

  • http://www.google.com/news BETCATS

    RUPAUL LIVES! Bosh, Amare, and David Lee are all on about the same level. Bosh was a stat stuffer on a crappy team, Amare had Nash, and Lee had D’Antoni’s system. I dont see any 1 being better than the other.

  • JTaylor21

    Who the hell in their right mind would take Amare over CB1. Amare’s a worse rebounder by a country mile and doesn’t even try on the defensive end, those are the two most important attributes for a PF to have and Amare comes up shorter than a midget in both.

  • http://www.slamonline.com/online/nba/slamonline Effie

    lucci Posted: Oct.11 at 9:46 am
    This write up did nothing to explain why he is 13.
    ——
    can’t agree with you more.
    Why Bosh is 13th?What has he done when he was a Raptor?Any shining achievements?
    Tell me that’s because he’s still young…
    Well,Anthony Randolph is 12.

  • Anthony

    co-sign JoeMama, i also want to add that Popp is saving Duncan during the regular season. Come playoff time Tim is on a whole another level.

  • Harry Twatter

    So there’s about 4 idiots who wait for EVERY individual ranking so they can bash it. I’m surprised too see so many people who would choose a OLD Tim Duncan over a PRIME Chris Bosh!!!! And the D. Rose hating is getting out of control. Use common sense Rose and Bosh are both surrounded with better talent and they are coming into their own. Duncan’s game WILL decrease so stop living in the past. The past is for cowards! But then again that would explain most of you. I would understand the Bosh and Rose hate over Duncan 2 years ago but now? Seriously??

  • slamfan4life

    Drose shootin for that #1 spot!!! lol

  • http://Slamonline.com Mvp23100

    Obviously career wise it’s not a discussion but right now Bosh is better we will never see 24-11 from Duncan again especially had he been in Toronto last year Timmy is more complete but Bosh is murder for hire right now

  • JTaylor21

    Harry Twatter just said the most sensible thing in a post full of morons. The Slam Top 50 is not a Lifetime Achievement award and doesn’t care about what players accomplished in the past, they only care about the kind of impact they will have this upcoming season. Therefore CB1 and DRose will have more of an impact on the NBA and their team than TD because both players are vital pieces on teams that have a chance of winning the EC while the Spurs have ZERO chance of beating the Lakers out west. So stop getting your panties in a bunch and understand what the notes on the bottom of each article says before you start bi*ching.

  • t-sizzle

    d.rose is way too high.. i hope he’s next at number 12. i don’t think he is worth this high of a ranking yet, based on his achievements. if they put d.rose above d.will, then that discredits the whole list..

  • Harry Twatter

    @ t-sizzle “d.rose is way too high.. i hope he’s next at number 12. i don’t think he is worth this high of a ranking yet, based on his achievements” Wow what a moron first off you HOPE he’s next at number 12? Why do you HOPE he’s next at number 12? How does HIS ranking affect you today tomorrow and/or anytime? Second you said BASED ON HIS ACHIEVEMENTS? Achievements happen in the past jackass the rankings ARE BASED ON WHAT THEY HAVE NOW AND WHAT THEY WILL DO NEXT YEAR!! I bet you’d still rank Shaq over Dwight Howard next year.

  • max

    bosh is replaceable, which is the main difference between wade, james, and him. You could take any PF/C of the top 50 and put him in Bosh’s place and the outcome would still be the same. There will be two franchise superstars and a low-post presence.
    That is why there is so much discussion concerning Bosh’s and Duncan’s ranking. Both players have their fans, and both groups see the same outcome if their player was on the Heat this year.

  • t-sizzle

    @Harry Twatter How can I not hope he’s next at number 12 when that is the next number on this list? Explain me that? Do I have the power for Slam to go back in time and re-arrange this list? No I don’t, so if you have any common sense, you should be able to tell that I don’t want him higher than the next spot, capische? His ranking doesn’t affect my personal life, but affects the validity of this list imo, if he is ahead of d.will. so stop overreacting just because people don’t want to think like you. and just so you know, past performance is a good indication of the future. we all know d.rose his an upside, so we make projections for the future, but based on what he’s accomplished so far and what other pgs are also capable of producing this season (many will have similar numbers), it doesn’t make sense that he deserves to be this high on the list. and once again, I hope he does not get placed above deron williams. So I hope this is simple and clear enough for you and thanks for the name calling

  • Harry Twatter

    @t-sizzle your welcome. I HOPE your not insisting that I think Derrick Rose is better the Deron Williams because so far the Slam rankings haven’t indicated that and neither have I. So now you bring Deron Williams name in this out of the blue why? Is Deron Williams (without Boozer and Korver) better than Brandon Roy, Aaron Brooks, Darren Collison, Andre Miller? Maybe so but I don’t see you mentioning these guys. I just see you HOPING Derrick Rose doesn’t rank out high. LOL keep attempting to cover up your Derrick Rose hate my friend.

  • t-sizzle

    @Harry Twatter lol What are you talking about exactly man? I said from my very first post that I wish Slam doesn’t get it even more wrong by putting d.rose above d.will, that’s all I meant when I mentioned his name. And why would I bring out the names of those other pgs when D.Will and CP3 (a lock for top 5) are the only ones gonna be left on the list?? Not a matter of hate, but like I said, I don’t see D.Rose as this high on this list, just a matter of opinion. I see him maybe 15-20 at this point, and that’s why I made those comments. LOL anyways, I don’t see why you make assumptions into the simplest things I say. I guess to each their own hobby.

  • Harry Twatter

    Okay you love the attention and your HOPING I go back in forth with you. Unfortunately I don’t have the time. I Guarantee you will be there to hate on Rose as soon as you see his face posted LOL!!!! As long as you have haters you know your doing something right.

  • Harry Twatter

    BTW last year Kevin Durant ranked out at 8 and he probably was the most hated at the time. http://www.slamonline.com/online/nba/slamonline-top-50/2009/10/top-50-kevin-durant-no-8/

  • Ghost

    The reason most people aren’t agreeing with this ranking for Bosh is that it means Rose is at 12 or possibly higher. Unfair?

  • http://www.bulls.com Enigmatic

    Nothing but love for Rose from me. And the Rose hating went on last year as well, and probably will next year too. Anyways, back to the player we should ACTUALLY be discussing – I don’t know about Bosh being this high. He’s proven he couldn’t be the centerpiece of a team, yet he’s in the top 15 as a third option? Huh? That being said, Bosh might put up some monster numbers this year, mainly due to LeBron and Dwyane attracting so much attention, so we’ll see. All I know is LeBron will make life hella easier for Bosh.

  • onions baby onions

    The only explanation for Harry Twatter’s posts is a high medicinal dose of marijuana

  • http://bulls.com airs

    its gonna be fun to see people eat teir words about d.rose come playoff time. dude made playoffs with great numbers for the first 2 years of his career with mediocre talent and a less than mediocre coaching staff around him. this year, everythings upgraded, including himself. don’t be surprised.

    i dont understand all the hate, its just a list guys.
    but don’t say you were a d.rose fan all along when he bangs on your team this year.

  • http://bulls.com airs

    most of you guys are probably fans of rajon rondo anyways lol

  • T-Money

    E: that jumper has always been there, bosh is a beast from the high post. cats just don’t know yet. / seriously guys, remember what you all thought about pau gasol before he came to LA… and he never averaged what bosh averaged in points OR rebounds when he was on a crappy memphis team. you don’t have to be a franchise guy to be top 15 in the NBA because pau certainly was not that. there is nothing that amare can do on a basketball court that bosh can’t do besides jumping higher, that it.

  • slick ric

    Rankings are based solely on projected ‘10-11 performance.

  • lexluther703

    You’re an absolute joke if you don’t believe Derrick Rose will be a top 12 player in the league this year. Being the best player on a team who’s poised to challenge for an eastern conference title is part of the reason for his top 12 placement, not including the fact that he’s a top 5 pg already and that he’s an all star and a gold-medal winner. Smitty @ 9:56 you’re an idiot. “Not top 7 on the B-Deem team?” Kill yourself twice.

    As for Bosh, one of the most overrated players in the league, nothing more than a third banana.

  • SpaceJam

    Too much d rose hating. He doesn’t deserve any of it. Talent-wise, he can match just about any player in the league. This is the year he takes off into superstardom if he hasn’t already. So stop hating, Talkin to you Harry Twatter. Amen airs. I agree with Egnimatic.

  • http://bulls.com Harry Twatter

    @ SpaceJam Hmmm did you just say i was HATING ON DERRICK ROSE? Omfg why so many stupid people why??? Dude read what i was saying again and again until your reading comprehension passes a 3rd grade level. I was obviously showing respect to Rose and dissing those that disagree lol.

  • Bruno

    hey guys focus the discussion on Bosh and how he’s way too high in this ranking

  • http://bulls.com airs

    that wasnt me the 2nd time btw

  • http://www.bulls.com Enigmatic

    @Harry Twatter – I think your 11:36 AM post when you qouted t-sizzle probably confused SpaceJam. I got what you were saying though. Nice username BTW.

  • http://www.twitter.com/TheDiesel Anton

    If Duncan is a convenience store on your way to work, Bosh is the over-priced grocery store next to it. Sure, it looks nicer on the outside but you realize that the convenience store had a steady choice of products for a fair price.
    Still don’t get this “Bosh is a quick slasher” myth. He’s long and does get to the rim but I can finish KFC’s Double Down sandwhich and get my cholesterol checked in the time it takes Bosh to take his first step to the basket.

  • Blackphantom

    hahahahaha dang Anton that was cold

  • http://theurbangriot.com The Nupe

    I’m actually surprised that Bosh isn’t higher on the list. With Bron and Wade on the team, he will have an easier time this year than any other time in his career. IF TD/Amare/KG was on this years Heat, then any of them would deserve a higher spot. However, with Bosh’s talents (nobody in their right mind can say he isn’t very good/great) and how much easier this year will be for him I would put him in the top 10. Not because I think he’s one of the 10 best players in the L, but because I think he’ll have a great year because of what’s around him. TD/KG will have limited minutes which will reduce thier production, Amare will get a lot of minutes but will be doubled and doesn’t have Nash anymore. Boozer/Smith aren’t as good as Bosh (in my opinion) and they don’t have the weapons around them. So, outside of Dirk, Bosh should have a better year than any other PF and that should put him higher on the list, not lower.

  • backboard

    i wont argue CB´s placing on the list since i could care less where he lands. Its just a list, made up by a couple of writers and everyone has their own opinion and thats fine. BUT this was a very very weak write up and explanation of why Bosh is where he is on this list. Mr. Figman wrote more about the new Heat trio than anything else, which is not importance to the article. Sometimes i am just amazed at the stuff Slam puts out there……. just my opinion of course. Good day!

  • TrailBlazing&SportingLisbon

    hes in his prime and the Fundamental isnt, but its tough to see him ahead of Timmy, HOWEVER, is an awsome offensive player and good rebounder…I should stop talkin bout Rose cause I like him a lot, but im not hating on him, IM HATING ON SLAM, ITS ABSURD ROSE BEING top 12, he still has flaws all over the place…

  • backboard

    *of importance

  • http://slamonline.com tealish

    Never been a fan of Bosh, but there’s nothing too much to gripe about him having the No. 13 spot.
    He’ll never be a franchise player — doesn’t have what it takes. But a top 13 talent? I don’t know, but maybe.
    What I know we’re supposed to ignore and for now, not comment on just yet, is Derrick Rose’s placement……….but……….come on…………just saying.

  • http://thetroyblog.com Teddy-the-Bear

    Okay, WHERE THE FLACK IS DERRICK ROSE?!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!?!?!?!?!?!?!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  • http://thetroyblog.com Teddy-the-Bear

    20 and 6 gets you in the Top 12 (!) ahead of 24 and 11……… Good to know.

  • t-sizzle

    cosign trailblazing, teddy, and those not too caught up in the hype

  • http://Slamonline.com Nbk

    Ok slam are you really tryna say Derrick Rose is going to “chris Paul year 3″ the NBA?

  • http://sdklff.com Jukai

    I can’t wait for Anton to start writing

  • http://brimOsOlow@aol.com CHICAGO SAID IT YUP

    lets be real would i rather have derrick rose on my team over chris bosh? YES would i rather have him over an old tim duncan on his last leg? YES would i rather have him over a 36 year old steve nash? YES would i rather have him over rondo? HELL YES! slam is getting it right haters

  • http://slamonline.com nbk

    yeah you would rather have him for the future. but would you rather have him THIS season? I wouldn’t, not over Nash that’s for sure. But hey, i’m a fan of winning

  • Brandon

    Nbk what has Nash actually won, but we won’t delve into the past. This year can you seriously say with the talent Derrick Rose has compared to what Nash has with the lost of Stoudemire that you would take him over this season. We are not talking about career stats, we are referring to this year alone.

  • Brandon

    And before anyone says he is a two time MVP I understand that but I mean by winning in the team aspect for the suns. Once again I want to reinstate “we are talking about this year.”

  • http://slamonline.com nbk

    Well Nash has been further in the playoffs then Rose, last year for instance. Nash has a higher PER, his teams win more games every season. And Rose is only in his 3rd year so to think he will jump from a very good but not great PG to a top 11 player in the whole league is a stretch IMO. And like I said on Nash’s page, he really has only lost to Duncan, Shaq, Kobe, and Dirk in his career as a starter. (maybe the kings and timberwolves “garnett” “cwebb” i don’t exactly remember). its not like he goes out and loses to crap teams. Rose to me has to prove he can be the cause of 50 wins and atleast one playoff round victory before you put him infront of a guy with 10 straight playoff appearances, 4(?)Conference Finals Appearances (one last season), 2 MVP’s (whether he deserved them or not), and plays in a tougher conference. but hey if we only judge guys by championships then the top 10 should be Boston’s starting five followed by the Lakers.

  • http://www.bulls.com Enigmatic

    I said it before and I’ll say it again – Steve Nash getting as many regular-season MVP awards as Kobe Bryant and Shaquille O’Neal COMBINED is just a freakin’ injustice on the highest scale.

  • http://slamonline.com nbk

    well yeah, but just like shaq and kobe i bet nash would trade his 2 MVP’s for their 3-peat

  • Aaron

    Nice write-up Adam, although I don’t see a stacked team in Hedo Turkoglu, Andrea Bargnani, José Calderón and Jarrett Jack. Bosh is right where he should be ranked. But once the season gets underway, he’ll deserve to be higher. People are greatly underestimating the impact he’ll have on the Heat this season. CB is just as consistent as the other two. His role will be just as valuable as Wade or James’. You heard it here.

  • http://brimOsOlow@aol.com CHICAGO SAID IT YUP

    cmon man nash getting 1 MVP cool. he had a great season when better players were on lesser teams. Nash getting back to back as in historic relevance? BULL****. it was only because the media fell in love with the run and gun suns and said they would win a title.Nash doesnt get criticized as other superstars does. Lebron wins 2 mvps back to back and is ridiculed for losing while NASH HAS NEVER EVEN MADE THE FINALS! but he is just a fun-loving canadian who plays soccer and lets be honest most mainstream white fans can relate to him. So he gets a pass on criticism that 2 time MVPs normally get!Dont get me wrong he is a helluva player just not in the same class as many of the greats they put him up there with, and certainly not 2 TIME MVP great. oh and YES id rather have rose this year

  • http://www.bulls.com Enigmatic

    OK Rose has never had the type of players on his team that Nash has been blessed with. Dirk Nowitzki, Michael Finley, Amare Stoudemire, Shawn Marion, just to name a few. Rose has had who? Ben Gordon? Kirk Hinrich? Joakim is just barely coming along and we just got Boozer. How about coaches? Don Nelson, Mike D’Antoni or Vinny Del Negro? You can’t say “Nash has gone further in the playoffs before and that’s why he should be ahead of Rose next year”. Everything Nash and Rose have done up to this point is irrelevant for these rankings. Is Rose a better player than Nash right now? I honestly believe so. I think Nash is getting up there in age and his minutes will be reduced, thanks in part to Dragic’s emergence. And I think, quite frankly, Rose is set to blow the f*ck up this season.

  • http://slamonline.com nbk

    i’m not concerned with whether or not he deserved the MVP awards. I’m more focused on the fact that he has produced more wins in every conceivable way then Derrick Rose. And I don’t see any reason other then basing a judgement off of potential to think Rose will be more helpful to his team this season then Nash. If potential dictated effectiveness wouldn’t JR Smith be on this list? I’m not saying Rose is not a top 50 or even top 20 player, I am saying he is not going to help his team win more then Nash, or Duncan. (Bosh, probably but just because of his role compared to bosh’s, not because he’s a “better player”)

  • http://slamonline.com nbk

    If I had to pick a player going forward, or even for the next 2 years I would pick Rose. But if you said alright we have an 82 game season and HAVE to make the playoffs who you take Rose or Nash. I say Nash and it would be without hesitation.

  • Brandon

    Great post NBK and I can understand from the basis you are coming from. I will go into more when the actual article for Rose comes out but as far as Bosh goes, he will be productive for his team because he will allow the floor to be spread for the Big 3 because of his perimeter game. He will not produce as high as he did in Toronto of course, but he will be key in a number of games just because of the pressure that James and Wade will take off of him each and every game.

  • JTaylor21

    Enigmatic is right, DRose has never had the kind of teammates and offense that Nash has his entire career. Imagine the kind of numbers Rose could put up in a PHX style offense, it would be downright scary. Look at Nash’s Dal numbers with a slower pace and compare them to Rose’s first 2 years. I’ve said before that Rose is going to have a MONSTER third season and will make a lot of doubters on this site look stupid.

  • http://slamonline.com nbk

    Bosh also could be substituted with Troy Murphy and it wouldn’t make much of a difference. That was my point about him having a lesser role

  • http://slamonline.com nbk

    I’m not doubting his skills. I merely asked as my first post on this thread, does Slam really think Rose is gonna blow up this year like CP did in his 3rd year? (well actually he just straight blew up, but year 3 was his almost MVP campaign). I think he will have a very solid season, like 22 and 7 or 8, chicago will win between 49-53 games. I think Phoenix (who is less talented then chicago) will win between 44-50 games relying more heavily then last year on Nash. (Nash’s diet and health is taken care of so much more diligently then any superstar/player in NBA history, betting on a decline in production because of his age is getting overblown. infact he really hasn’t slowed down at all since his age first came into question, before he won his first MVP award)

  • The Fresh Prince of Nsam

    Again good write-up AdaM, 4 a very contested player.

  • JTaylor21

    ^^Come on SON!!!!! Troy F*cking Murphy is the same as Bosh, you’re joking right? There’s no way that the Heat can be successful and win a chip this season with Murphy in the lineup and not Bosh. People are failing to see just how good CB1 is, he’s one of the best mid-range shooting big, great rebounder and at least gives effort on the defensive end. There’s a reason why he was chosen before DWade in the draft.

  • http://slamonline.com nbk

    yeah potential. Troy Murphy is a better shooter and rebounder then Bosh, bosh is a better one on one scorer (not needed in miami) and better defender (except when he guards centers). also, I said it wouldn’t make MUCH of a difference. I didn’t say it wouldn’t make a difference.

  • http://thetroyblog.com Teddy-the-Bear

    Co-sign JT.

  • The Fresh Prince of Nsam

    @max 11:09, good observation

  • http://www.bulls.com Enigmatic

    Yeah, that Murphy/Bosh thing is definitely a stretch

  • bashmo

    lmaooooo!!! ROSE OVER BOSH?? WTFFFF
    If Rose and Gasol are not 12 and 11 in that order I’m going jump off the nearest building

  • http://slamonline.com nbk

    I did not say they would win a title with murphy lol. I was just saying Bosh’s role in Miami victories will not be merely as important as Rose’s in Chicago. (I also said Bosh is better then Rose). It was just an example to seperate (best player on a team) from (3rd best player on a team) in terms of contribution to wins. Not championships, Rose isn’t gonna win a championship this year, he isn’t even in contention so IDK why it jumped to that.

  • http://www.bulls.com Enigmatic

    @bashmo – at least Rose has the balls to step up and take command and leadership of his team, unlike Bosh.

  • jonny

    All those who have argued that Derrick Rose having such a high position is justified simply aren’t making any sense. They claim that based on past stats, and projected “potential” future stats he will be a monster.

    Taking this into account, shouldn’t Tyreke Evans be far ahead of Rose in ranking and quite possibly a top 5 player in the league. In his lone season, as a rookie he put up better numbers than Rose has in any season of his career. According to you, doesn’t this mean he is a better player at the moment, and also one with a greater upside?

    Also, co-sign cb4. I wouldn’t say he was the worst on the B team, but if they were to remake the squad I think there is no way he would crack the starting line up and would probably be left off the team altogether.

    And for those fools saying Rose is a top 5 pg, get real.

    Cp3, Williams, Nash, Rondo, T parker are all definitively better, and other PGs who I think are better and that you can easily make an argument for are Billups, Westbrook, Evans, Gil Arenas, and Baron Davis.

    I think when talking about “potential” Steph Curry and John Wall can also be included in the discussion.

    D Rose is quick and athletic with “ok” decision making skills, but until he buys a jumpshot and learns to play D, I cannot consider him a top PG. Right now his legacy will be a poor mans Steve Francis.

  • TrailBlazing&SportingLisbon

    lol at bashmo, but Gasol should be right next to Dwight Howard, hes better on offense the same amount D12 is better on D…Pau´s the best big out there although I´d pick Dwight to start a franshise obviously.

  • http://www.bulls.com Enigmatic

    Baron Davis over Derrick Rose? Come on, son…come on. For real?

  • TrailBlazing&SportingLisbon

    @Jonny, I agree with most of what you said..but Arenas and BDiddy have no room is this conversation…ROSE IS A YOUNG GOOD QUIET LEADER, EXCELENT SPEED AND ATHLETICISM GOING TO THE RIM, GOOD FINISHING SKILL, SO SO JUMPER…on the other hand he is very bad on defense (strange cause he got the athletic ability to be very good) and a not very good playmaker, also he draws a very low ammount of faul shots, all this can be improved but hes not top 15 by any measure possible.

  • http://Bulls.com C-Lo_The_Great

    @Jonny
    I mean this with the upmost respect, but you my friend are an idiot. Have you even seen Rose play? Rose doesn’t need to buy jumpshot, he already has one of the best mid range games in the L. I can’t believe you hace Tony Parker ahead of Rose. That’s hilarious. This isn’t 2006 sorry buddy.

  • http://www.bulls.com Enigmatic

    @TrailBlazing – I know your comment was directed at Jonny, but I need to say I hear you on Rose’s deficiencies (sp?) But to be fair, no coach has every pushed Rose on the defensive end like I believe Thibs will. Now, I’m not saying I’m sure he’s gonna go out and be a beast on defense this next year, alls I’m saying is this time next year we might be talking about how much he’s improved defensively.

  • JTaylor21

    Rose is a poor mans SFranchise? Looks like someone just went 10 rounds vs Tyson with their hands tied. Rose would destroy Francis one on one and will definitely have a better career. What the hell did Francis accomplish when he had a healthy Yao? Not a DAMN thang! Hate just blinds people from seeing the truth and leads to talking straight nonsense.

  • mubwar

    duncan averaged 17.5 ppt and 10 rebounds last year…chris bosh had 24 ppt 11rb and 3 ass….Big fundamental or not Bosh took his crown for the past couple of season…GIVE RESPECT WHERE IT’S DUE….

  • http://slamonline.com nbk

    Francis had a Yao for 2 years. Yao took 4 years to develope. Do the math. being a steve francis is not a bad thing, he was the premier scoring PG in the NBA for 4 years, and if injuries didn’t derail his athletic ability he would have been one of the greats. But derrick rose would physically man handle francis. but francis offensive skillset dwarf’s rose’s but its not a bad comparison

  • AdrianC513

    Ummmm wheres Ron Artest?

  • jonny

    For real Baron Davis, youngins forget how much of a monster he is. He has also proven to be a big time playoff performer. Remember when he knocked out a 67 win Dallas team in the first round of the playoffs. Rose knocking off Cleveland would have been comparable, but his team barely got a win. People forgot how good Davis because hes been playing injured. As for Arenas, he is a couple seasons removed from averaging 29 ppg, 3.5 rb, and 6 assists per game. Even last season after playing only 15 games in the previous 2, he put up better numbers than Rose did for the entire year with 23 ppg, 4.2 rb, 7.2 assists and 1.3 steals. The problem with NBA fans is that when a player gets injured they automatically forget about his past accomplishments and drop him several spots in the rankings. The perfect example is CP3. Because he was hobbled last year, and D Williams played outstanding, everyone was quick to anoint D-WIll as the new best PG in the league, forgetting about how much of a monster Paul is when healthy.

  • http://slamonline.com nbk

    Baron Davis did that 3 years ago. And has gotten substantially worse athletically since.

  • jonny

    For all the Rose nuthuggers always claiming that people are “hating” on their boy. Grow up. No won hates Rose just for the sake of it. I’m just proving to you that he is seriously overrated at the moment and undeserving of the praise people are giving him. You guys are so blindly nuthugging that you can’t objectively and rationally look at the facts.

  • Billy

    Writer says Raptors were stacked last year, then names 4 below average NBA players who are all among the ten worst defenders in the league at their position. Raptors without Bosh equal at least 20 fewer wins. Bosh will be top 10 on this list next year.

  • Scott

    Baron Davis is fat.

  • http://www.bulls.com Enigmatic

    You call it blindly nuthugging on our part, I call it blindly hating on yours. Tomato, tomato…that makes more sense when you say it, not write it.

  • TrailBlazing&SportingLisbon

    @jonny, I agree again with a lot of what say, BUT while youre cp3 example is correct, the Arenas one is just stupid, gilbert last season was AWFULLY INNEFICIENT(even while averaging 23), DINDNT WIN GAMES AND THE GUY HE DEFENDED PROLLY SCORED 30..about bdiddy, just cosign nbk, dude never is in shape, very talented but very lazy too.

  • Brar

    He has talent but he’s not a leader or a player you want taking the last second shot. Also, he is a douche bag.

  • http://bulls.com Harry Twatter

    Derrick Rose is a Monster. He has fools hating on him on CHRIS BOSH’S page LOL!!!!!! There’s 4-5 Boston fans that continuously make random stupid comments anti-Rose then they back it buy by saying. Allen Iverson was better 10 years ago, Baron Davis had netter numbers 3 years ago, Rajon Rondo won a championship 4 years ago. WHAT ABOUT THIS UPCOMING YEAR?

  • Brandon

    Jonny first off what do you consider overrated because already being rookie of the year your first year and second year being a all star is definitely not overrated. If you have not notice ballers like CP3, Durant, and Deron Williams to name a few all have exploded in there third year. So you saying overrated is blindly putting it mildly dumb. I’m sorry but you have to notice the talent around him to compared to others their first two years in the league. He average 27 and 7 last years playoffs with mediocre talent, now if he does not produce this year then you can call him out without any issues.

  • http://www.slamonline.com James the Balla

    hahaha JT talking about hating blinding people, awesome.
    LOL @ Scott

  • ball

    The most hated on talent in the NBA. Derrick Rose keep doing your thing and silence these critics. I’m a Celtic fan and even I realize that Rose is the truth.

  • Will

    Top 12

    BRoy
    Rose
    Dirk
    D-Will
    Gasol
    Howard
    CP3
    Melo
    Wade
    Durant
    Kobe/Lebron

  • http://thetroyblog.com Teddy-the-Bear

    Co-sign nbk about Stevie Franchise.

  • TrailBlazing&SportingLisbon

    @Will, Rose ahead of Roy?!lol, youre a big joker, funny too

  • Will

    Broy should not even be top 15. And yes, Rose will have a much more productive year. Book it

  • http://www.danchamb.com.br Lz – Cphfinest3

    I like D.Rose, still think he will be rated a little too high. Like somebody said 15-20 would be about right. Regarding the Nash vs. Rose debate just consider this:
    Shooting – Nash > Rose
    Scoring – Nash > Rose
    FT shooting – Nash > Rose
    Playmaking – Nash > Rose
    Court savy – Nash > Rose
    Leadership- Nash > Rose
    Assists – Nash > Rose
    Ballhandling – Nash > Rose
    Craftiness – Nash > Rose
    Decision making – Nash > Rose
    Clutchness – Nash > Rose
    Team play – Nash > Rose
    Toughness – Nash > Rose
    Controlling the tempo/game – Nash>Rose
    Turnovers (lack of)- Nash > Rose
    Defense – Rose > Nash (they both kind of suck in this department, so it is bad over awful really)
    Speed – Rose > Nash
    Strength – Rose > Nash
    Hops – Rose > Nash
    Rebounding – Rose > Nash
    Explosiveness – Rose > Nash
    Motor – Rose > Nash
    Nash is old and there is no doubt that Rose will overtake him soon, but as of right now there is no way that Rose is the better player. Sorry (fellow) Bulls fans.

  • slick ric

    first off people comparing Rose and francis know nothing, those guys play nothing alike just because they are athletic points and had similar numbers means nothing it like comparing Wade to Kobe to a lesser extent just cause they dunk on people and have similar stats. I hate how people are talking as if Rose is a finish product he’s going into his third not thirteenth season with arguably the best roster he has played with, so he and his team is going to improve . Can you say that about nash or Duncan. Bosh is on a better team but is he going to improve or top last season. THESE RANKINGS ARE BASED SOLELY ON NEXT SEASON.

  • BBaller

    @James The Baller 9:56pm at last hey,maybe now he can have a look at himself and get that point that he’s been missing for 6 weeks now.

  • BBaller

    The Anti Rose statements are a bit surprising to me, i’m hoping he does have a top 10 NBA standard season, is it so wrong to even expect that?
    This list is as relevant as last years and how much did that change any of our lives so please lets all chill with the dramatics, back to the post, what will Chris Bosh do this year? Should he adopt the Rodman,H Grant PF role of the 90s Bulls teams or will he be more of a focal point of the offense like you know he wants to be.
    Some how i feel it’s not his decision to make, anyway he gets a ring in Miami, doesn’t he?

  • BBaller

    Bosh did impress at the Olympics( when they all decided, sorry to put that in but its another reason why the whole thing was done so poorly ) when he had room and his 15 foot jump shot will only improve with once again more space and time that LBJ and Wade will provide. The pressure is also on Bosh to perform for if things go wrong, LBJ won’t look at himself neither will Wade. It will be Bosh that is first to go( Miami will surely give this 2-3 years no matter what).The other positive for Bosh is now he gets to train with veteran big men and has to defend the likes of LBJ and Wade which is going to make him better. If Miami players do not pretend like they have won the championship before opening tip off, by that i mean avoiding a Wrestling style introduction and parading like clowns, taking fake pictures and dancing, then it’ll restore the respect i once held for those three and wish the entire franchise well.

  • http://Slamonline.com ENDS

    If E Didnt Complain about Bosh’s Placement he has no Leiway to complain about anybody else

  • http://Slamonline.com ENDS

    Has Bosh Got out of the First Round?

  • http://slamonline.com Allenp

    I can’t believe NBK wrote that about Bosh and Troy Murphy. It would make a huge difference for the Heat if they had Murphy instead of Bosh mainly because Murphy is a drifter on offense and nowhere near the finisher Bosh is at the rim. And that’s where Miami needs him to do work. And, while Bosh isn’t great on defense, he’s nowhere near as horrible as Murphy, who is also frequently injured.
    Put it this way, if Lebron or wade go down for an extended period, a Heat team with Bosh and one of them is still formidable. A Heat team with Murphy and one of them is not. Bosh can anchor the second unit while Wade and Lebron rest. He’s a bonafide star that gives the coach way more options and forces defenses to play the other players honestly. Come on son, you’re better than that.

  • monkeyball

    Bosh has only proven to be a bona fide star on a bad team. How will he fit with Wade and Lebron? I agree with Allenp that when Wade or Lebron sit out games Bosh will be productive. But with both of them on the court for 40mpg? The best Bosh can do to help the Heat win multiple championships is become a better defender and a MONSTER offensive rebounder. Otherwise, his stats will drop. I see a 15ppg and 9rpg for him this season. Certainly not the 13th most productive player in the L.

  • http://scott.r.carter10@gmail.com Scott Carter

    My top 12:

    1) Lebron James, 2) Kobe Bryant, 3) Kevin Durant, 4) Dwyane Wade, 5) Chris Paul, 6) Dwight Howard, 7) Carmelo Anthony, 8) Deron Williams, 9) Derrick Rose, 10) Pau Gasol, 11) Brandon Roy, 12) Dirk Nowitzki

  • Feez22

    Let me put this bosh bashing to rest. Last yr bosh avg a 25 PER good for top 8 league wide. That means he achieved his numbers with the best efficiency of any frontcourt player PF or C league wide. Combine that with the fact that he is doubled /tripled every game in Toronto and he is clearly deserving of this ranking. Defense is a different story but hey you try playing with the worst starting defender at the pg spot and the worst starting center defender/rebounder in bargs. He can improve his defense especially now playing with 2 all NBA defenders. IMO 13 is perfect 4 him. it’s not slams fault that so much of you supposed fans call him overrated yet never ever watch him actually play. The raps didn’t make playoffs by 1 game and bosh missed I believe 12 games last yr due to injury. Put that in perspective when talking about playoff woes the best player e has ever played with was a non chalant Vince who wanted out. btw bosh has a nice 1at step guy was top 10 in free throws attempted due to his face up game seriously… why speak on something u know nothing about ppl? Guy can get his own. Don’t en compare him to amare Amare has been spoonfed for yrs with Nash bosh is a superior ISO player doesn’t need a silver spoon to get his.

  • http://slamonline.com nbk

    Allen I never said they would be the same team. I said it wouldn’t make THAT much of a difference. Without Bosh they win what between 5-8 less games? Without Rose Chicago wins what 20-25 less games? All I was trying to do was compare Bosh’s role with Miami to Rose’s in chicago, and ya’ll took it to the next level. Don’t read so far into what I say, I’m not a female, I’m not speaking in code.

  • Feez22

    Btw I still don’t Understand the BS with ppl While talking about the raptors? Stacked? Since when? A team last yr with only 1 all star and no potential all stars after that is not stacked. A team with the worst starting defenders at the most important positions (pg/c) is NOT stacked. A team with a starting center avg less than 6rpg is not stacked. IMO bos did what he could in that city jus as gasol did in Memphis. Yet If gasol were ranked top 10 no one would say anything. However when ppl tell me that bosh can’t be top 13 due to him not being a franchise playe HOW ABOUT GASOL? As the franchise player in Memphis gasol never avg close to 24-11, never had a PER over 22 and most importantly never won a single playoff game. Now look @ his rank. The same can happen for bosh. Don’t hate on dude bc he is on the heat. He isn’t a 5 time all star for nothing. Grouping him I w/ David lee and amar is str8 foolish. Bosh has neve played in an accelerated offense that catches ppl off guard like lee and Amare have which have contributed to their inflated numbers. And Amare? LOL please. I know that season and playoffs are 2 diff things but bosh avg 20-10 v the lakers in season. Now go ahead an look at amares rebounding avg vs the lakers… That says it all. When your pf can’t even rebound don’t even compare him to a pf that can iso score and rebound at an elite level.

  • Feez22

    Btw nbk Troy Murphy really? Lmfao you have got to be joking me. If the heat got Troy instead of bosh I wouldn’t give them a shot in he’ll of winning any type of ring. Why? Bc he Isnt a threat offensively and on top of that is statistically a worse defender than bosh not to mention that he isn’t anywhere near the double team or triple team threat. If the heat had Troy Murphy instead if bosh they would pretty much have no legit post presence. Now if u think that would still constitute to not being a difference than you are crazy. If they plugged in gasol or booz an u made that assumption than fine. But Troy freaking Murphy? That’s not only false but it’s an insult yes it’s that ludacris of a statement.

  • http://slamonline.com/ Adam Figman

    Feez22–Teams that unquestionably had less/similar talent than the Raptors made the Playoffs in the East last season. A player like Bosh who put up his career’s best numbers, guys like Hedo and Calderon who’ve been great in past years, and guys who had solid seasons like Bargs and Jack–it all adds up to what should’ve been a postseason year for the Raps.

  • Isaac

    can’t believe there’s no Griffin on this list, yet Wall makes it.

  • http://slamonline.com nbk

    Feez i have repeated myself twice already. Your ability to type with the inability to read is mind boggling. Did I ever say anything about Miami winning a title with troy murphy? Did I ever say it wouldn’t make a difference at all? What’s insulting is yours and many others insistance on jumping to conclusions. If your not going to read every single comment I say, or atleast be involved in the original discussion stay out of it, your opinion is useless

  • Nate Osborne

    c’mon! bosh is top 10.

  • MUBWAR

    why are you guys even comparing Bosh and Rose…Bosh is an all star PF averaging better 25 and 11 and some moron on this site put Rose (overrated pg) in front of him….

  • doyouwantmore

    Do you guys actually watch basketball or do you just skim through it?

  • G in Toronto

    Figman definitely knows Bosh’s game. Bosh is a MAJOR talent, and though he doesn’t really overwhelm in one area, he’s very good in most. Bosh just isn’t much of a leader, which is the best reason to keep him out of the top 10. More people will appreciate his game this year.

    Stoudemire can dunk!!! But what else does he do??? He’s terribly overrated… all the time.

    Rose is a really nice player, but, so far, it seems like he gets praised because people mistake his potential for ability. Maybe he’ll live up to the hype one day, but right now there are at least 4 PGs better than Rose.

  • G in Toronto

    Bosh will shine with James and Wade. He’ll have a lot more freedom than he did with the Craptors.

  • Feez22

    Adam did u miss the crappy season hedo had last yr? Did u miss the fact tha calderon and bargs are the worst startig defenders at their positions in the league with bargs being the WORST rebounding 5 in the game? Did u miss the fact that there was 1 all star in bosh and no potential other stars on the team? See what u r doing is overrating that team. Fact is that they missed the playoffs by 1 game and bosh was injured somewhere around 12 games. That’s what people miss when Talking about bosh. People choose to Underrate bosh and overrate his damn teammates which is foolish considering that the raps as a team couldn’t defend anyone and without bosh due to injur couldn’t score a lick. seriously what talent do u talk of with the raps? Bargs? Lol. Hedo? Horrible yr. Calderon? Don’t get me started. Derozan was young and adapting which literally leaves sonny and Jarrett jack unless u think Reggie Evans is talent. Ad Amir Johnson… Lol Jesus christ.U call that shit playoff caliber talent? Lmao the bulls bobcats bucks and even the damn heat had a better collection of player than that last yr so really how the hell are you overrating that?

  • ezra

    im just in shock that this article calls last years raptors team “stacked” wow, after bosh they didnt have anyone else. calderon is the worst defender in the leauge, turkodlu never fit in, and bargnani and jack are solid role players at best, so how is that a stacked team?????

  • http://slamonline.com adam figman

    I don’t think it says anything about them going to the Finals, but yeah Playoffs was a reasonable and do-able goal. I always thought the best player/captain’s job was to make the other players live up to their potential, not squander it. The season before Hedo averaged 20-6-5 and was huge in bringing the Magic to the Finals. Calderon averaged 13 and 9 in ’08-09, then 10 and 6 in ’09-10. It’s hard to imagine guys like that going to a team led by KG or Duncan and falling off like that. Also, Bargnani is no All Star but he still put up 17 and 6. And there were decent role players in place–Jarrett Jack, Marco Belinelli, Amir Johnson, a young DeMar DeRozan. I’m not saying they were stacked to the point they should’ve taken the chip, but they should’ve won a few more games and hit the postseason, no question.

  • http://slamonline.com nbk

    Toronto had playoff talent in the east. They almost made it despite the horrendous season put up by almost every member of the team without dreads. Plus it has to be very difficult to live up to your potential when you know in the preseason the team you are currently on is 99% destined to be blown up a month after the playoffs end.

  • ezra

    this is why i dont understand the author tryed to make it seem as boshs fault they didnt make the playoffs. everyone except bosh fell off, and had bosh not gotten injured towards the end, the raptors would have made the playoffs thanks only to chris bosh

  • http://www.twitter.com/jtrain73 Jono

    @ezra Agreed! Those euro trash players are a complete joke. Bosh almost singlehandedly dragged the Raptors into the playoffs. That being said, the Raptors are actually stacked (on paper) but totally flopped so maybe the author is right in saying they were loaded. When u have Hedo coming off a stellar NBA finals performance, a big man drafted no.1 who isn’t Mr Brown and a multiple dynamic forward like Bosh, it’s disappoint they finished 9th.

  • http://www.twitter.com/jtrain73 Jono

    @Feez22 I still think the Raptors were ‘stacked’ in terms of competeing for the 6-8th playoff spot in a conference where only the top3 really mattered. They potentially had an awesome frontline but 2 of 3 guys totally flopped. (On a sidenote, Bargs is now the leader of the Raps. Shudders…literally.) They had a decent team and for a team whose ambitions were merely to make the playoffs, then yes they were ‘stacked’ in relation to their aspirations. That being said, I totally agree with you about the Gasol aspect. He’s gonna put some monster numbers out there and make everyone forget about Gasol, who is completely Kobe’s maid.

  • Exile

    Bosh deserves this spot. TO fans will agree that Bosh is someone that we would still love to have. Miami will love him once injuries start to hit their team. He may not be a “leader” but he is a damn good player.

    PS: JONO… Bargs isn’t the leader of the Raps… Jack is. Bargs is now the “scape goat talent” for when things get stupid this year.

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