Top 50: Chris Bosh, no. 13

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• Skaye Posted: Oct.11 at 8:19 am
  Interesting, C.Bosh is one spot higher than Tim.
  And how about D.Rose?

• fiz Posted: Oct.11 at 8:27 am
  Bosh shouldn’t be this high…

• Blackphantom Posted: Oct.11 at 8:29 am
  Can’t believe he’s ranked above The Big Fundamental

• Effie Posted: Oct.11 at 8:40 am
  ARE YOU KIDDING ME?
  Bosh is better than Tim??
  Huh!

• Eboy Posted: Oct.11 at 8:45 am
  Perhaps Bosh as a third option is exactly what he needs to be. Getting 16 and 10, somewhere in that range, from a third option, isn’t hard to take. He’s had flashes thus far in his exhibition time with the Heat. If he keeps knocking down that J from the side, he may average 20 a game. I have no problem with this spot for him.

• JoeMaMa Posted: Oct.11 at 8:51 am
  SLAM screwed up. Tim Duncan is a better player than Bosh, and, as Bosh is the third option on his team, his ‘projected’ season for 10/11 won’t be as good as Tim’s. Maybe the team will do better, but Tim will likely have a better season, and is a harder working, stronger, more complete player. SLAM…you guys really screwed this one up. Flip the spots. Show us that the world isn’t a cruel, cold place. And that you’re secretly not operating under the direction of the Heat’s local sports station, ESPN.

• KB8toSG8 Posted: Oct.11 at 8:51 am
  This is a joke…..Even if its for next season, Bosh can’t even dream of having the influence Tim has on the Spurs. Bosh looks like a joke….

• KB8toSG8 Posted: Oct.11 at 8:53 am
  influence Tim has on the Spurs NEXT season…to be more clear.

• Eboy Posted: Oct.11 at 8:54 am
  Will everyone have the same outrage about D-Rose’s placement, cause that dude is not a top 12 talent? THAT’S the fu*king sham of this list and it hasn’t happened yet.

• Darksaber Posted: Oct.11 at 8:56 am
  Wow, Rose is this year’s Paul Pierce huh? (the player from last year’s top 50 who got hated on the most for what most perceived to be a bad ranking). as for the Top 50 criteria, projected importance for the new upcoming season, it’s probable that CB will outperform Timmy. Blair, Mcdyess and Splitter will give Duncan more opportunity to rest and stay fresh for the postseason, while Bosh will carry more of the scoring/rebounding (And Spoelstra prays: shotblocking too) load on the Heat.
  On reputation alone though? No WAY in hell is CB a higher ranked player than the Timbot.

• Bruno Posted: Oct.11 at 8:57 am
  I’m glad I’m not the only one who doesnt understand Bosh ahead of Tim Duncan … but I guess I’m the only one that dont understand Bosh being this high in the top 50, a lot of players way better than him right now

• C-Lo_The_Great Posted: Oct.11 at 9:03 am
  Drose harefest continues. I still don’t understand it. For the record I am a Bulls fan, but i feel like Rose will be a complete beast this season. And CB24 will have a better season than Timmy. You can only play at a high level for so long, right? Prove me wrong TD.

• michael Posted: Oct.11 at 9:03 am
  if you are in the top 13 you should be capable of carrying a franchise….bosh is not that guy. decent player and will be great for Miami, but this is too high

• Groves Posted: Oct.11 at 9:12 am
  i like it… but chris.. get some defense.. NOW!

• J.C. Posted: Oct.11 at 9:13 am
  Eh, this isn’t a lifetime achievement ranking. I love Tim a whole lot more than I do Bosh, but I think if I was picking teams I’d take Bosh over Timmy right now.

• J.C. Posted: Oct.11 at 9:14 am
  Also we can’t call him CB4 anymore by the way, dude’s rocking #1 these days.

• Miamijoker Posted: Oct.11 at 9:18 am
  This is good spot for bosh and d-Rose is now an elite player. While Tim Duncan is a Hall of famed but can’t play at Chris bosh’s level anymore so everyone calm Down.

• IAMORANGE4EVER Posted: Oct.11 at 9:28 am
  Bosh’s age obviously plays a factor in his ranking. Another thing to consider, Bosh still hasn’t even reached his full potential yet. Heck, I joke about calling him RuPaul, but I’d say he’s on the cusp of being a top 10 player, so 13 is a good spot for him right now.

• Barry Posted: Oct.11 at 9:28 am
  Bosh isn’t more suited to being Robin. Bosh is Alfred the butlet.

• JoeMaMa Posted: Oct.11 at 9:29 am
  James, Wade, and _____ this season. Would you take Bosh or Duncan? Obviously Duncan. (remember, the projections are for THIS season) Who’s going to be better on D this year? Duncan. In the post? Duncan. Leadership? Duncan. Proven clutch play? Duncan. Fundamentals? The big Fundamental. Duncan is, and will be, at least for this year, better than Bosh. This ranking was influenced by The Heat’s projected win total, which I have no problem with, though it should be noted that James and Wade are more responsible for this slot than Bosh himself. Any Heat fan who wants to win it this year would take Duncan over Bosh this year. Of course, Bosh is younger and a better long term investment, but like I said: in the projected year ahead, it’s Duncan all day.

• Barry Posted: Oct.11 at 9:29 am
  *Butler

• Kid Canada Posted: Oct.11 at 9:32 am
  Okay well the big fundamental is slowing down a lot in his carear now. If u put him on the heat there wouldn’t be that big of a difference but Bosh is better.

• Hursty Posted: Oct.11 at 9:35 am
  Eboy – are you kidding? The whining about Rose started almost 10 spots ago.
  For Bosh to be 13th, it likely means someone ranked him in their top 10 while others had him on the 20 fringe(17-22). Which is where he belongs for THIS season.
  SMH on Rose and Bosh. I’m sorry, but I just don’t see it.
  And don’t give the BS about ‘potential injuries’ either. Otherwise S-Jax, Brooks would’ve been here. This spot isn’t justified.

• Hursty Posted: Oct.11 at 9:39 am
  co-sign JoeMaMa at 9.29 absolutely.

• Chris Posted: Oct.11 at 9:39 am
  Well, in defense of Bosh, TD isn’t as young as he used to be, and neither is their big three (see Ginobili’s injuries and Parker’s loss of speed) While Bosh has a team stacked with weapons, teams can hardly go doubling off James and Wade to double team him down on the block can they? While last season with the like of Amir “Overpaid” Johnson and Jose “Bricklayer” Calderon, teams felt free to zone right in. I reckon people are right to say that his shooting will likely decrease maybe 17 and 10, but I’m sure he’ll be shooting a higher percentage since he’ll be getting more easy dunks than ever before.

• Barry Posted: Oct.11 at 9:43 am
  I’d rather have had Amare than Bosh too. At least Amare can light up a highlight reel. Bosh is as quiet on the court as Duncan, but Duncan is a proven consistent leader. Bosh chose wisely to join Wade and LeBron. Cos without them, he won’t win a thing.

• lucci Posted: Oct.11 at 9:46 am
  This write up did nothing to explain why he is 13.

• smitty Posted: Oct.11 at 9:56 am
  Wait, your telling me Rose is a top 12 player in the NBA. He wasn’t even a top 7 player on the B olympic squad. How is he top twelve. He isn’t even a top five PG in the league either. This list is complete BS. No way it can be consider a “definitive” ranking.

• BETCATS Posted: Oct.11 at 9:57 am
  RUPAUL LIVES! Bosh, Amare, and David Lee are all on about the same level. Bosh was a stat stuffer on a crappy team, Amare had Nash, and Lee had D’Antoni’s system. I dont see any 1 being better than the other.

• JTaylor21 Posted: Oct.11 at 9:59 am
  Who the hell in their right mind would take Amare over CB1. Amare’s a worse rebounder by a country mile and doesn’t even try on the defensive end, those are the two most important attributes for a PF to have and Amare comes up shorter than a midget in both.

• Effie Posted: Oct.11 at 10:04 am
  lucci Posted: Oct.11 at 9:46 am
  This write up did nothing to explain why he is 13.
  ——
  can’t agree with you more.
  Why Bosh is 13th?What has he done when he was a Raptor?Any shining achievements?
  Tell me that’s because he’s still young…
  Well,Anthony Randolph is 12.

• Anthony Posted: Oct.11 at 10:07 am
  co-sign JoeMama, i also want to add that Popp is saving Duncan during the regular season. Come playoff time Tim is on a whole another level.

• Harry Twatter Posted: Oct.11 at 10:10 am
  So there’s about 4 idiots who wait for EVERY individual ranking so they can bash it. I’m surprised too see so many people who would choose a OLD Tim Duncan over a PRIME Chris Bosh!!!! And the D. Rose hating is getting out of control. Use common sense Rose and Bosh are both surrounded with better talent and they are coming into their own. Duncan’s game WILL decrease so stop living in the past. The past is for cowards! But then again that would explain most of you. I would understand the Bosh and Rose hate over Duncan 2 years ago but now? Seriously??

• slamfan4life Posted: Oct.11 at 10:11 am
  Drose shootin for that #1 spot!!! lol

• Mvp23100 Posted: Oct.11 at 10:35 am
  Obviously career wise it’s not a discussion but right now Bosh is better we will never see 24-11 from Duncan again especially had he been in Toronto last year Timmy is more complete but Bosh is murder for hire right now

• JTaylor21 Posted: Oct.11 at 10:36 am
  Harry Twatter just said the most sensible thing in a post full of morons. The Slam Top 50 is not a Lifetime Achievement award and doesn’t care about what players accomplished in the past, they only care about the kind of impact they will have this upcoming season. Therefore CB1 and DRose will have more of an impact on the NBA and their team than TD because both players are vital pieces on teams that have a chance of winning the EC while the Spurs have ZERO chance of beating the Lakers out west. So stop getting your panties in a bunch and understand what the notes on the bottom of each article says before you start bi*ching.

• t-sizzle Posted: Oct.11 at 10:55 am
  d.rose is way too high.. i hope he’s next at number 12. i don’t think he is worth this high of a ranking yet, based on his achievements. if they put d.rose above d.will, then that discredits the whole list..

• Harry Twatter Posted: Oct.11 at 11:05 am
  @ t-sizzle “d.rose is way too high.. i hope he’s next at number 12. i don’t think he is worth this high of a ranking yet, based on his achievements” Wow what a moron first off you HOPE he’s next at number 12? Why do you HOPE he’s next at number 12? How does HIS ranking affect you today tomorrow and/or anytime? Second you said BASED ON HIS ACHIEVEMENTS? Achievements happen in the past jackass the rankings ARE BASED ON WHAT THEY HAVE NOW AND WHAT THEY WILL DO NEXT YEAR!! I bet you’d still rank Shaq over Dwight Howard next year.

• max Posted: Oct.11 at 11:09 am
  bosh is replaceable, which is the main difference between wade, james, and him. You could take any PF/C of the top 50 and put him in Bosh’s place and the outcome would still be the same. There will be two franchise superstars and a low-post presence.
  That is why there is so much discussion concerning Bosh’s and Duncan’s ranking. Both players have their fans, and both groups see the same outcome if their player was on the Heat this year.

• t-sizzle Posted: Oct.11 at 11:18 am
  @Harry Twatter How can I not hope he’s next at number 12 when that is the next number on this list? Explain me that? Do I have the power for Slam to go back in time and re-arrange this list? No I don’t, so if you have any common sense, you should be able to tell that I don’t want him higher than the next spot, capische? His ranking doesn’t affect my personal life, but affects the validity of this list imo, if he is ahead of d.will. so stop overreacting just because people don’t want to think like you. and just so you know, past performance is a good indication of the future. we all know d.rose his an upside, so we make projections for the future, but based on what he’s accomplished so far and what other pgs are also capable of producing this season (many will have similar numbers), it doesn’t make sense that he deserves to be this high on the list. and once again, I hope he does not get placed above deron williams. So I hope this is simple and clear enough for you and thanks for the name calling

• Harry Twatter Posted: Oct.11 at 11:36 am
  @t-sizzle your welcome. I HOPE your not insisting that I think Derrick Rose is better the Deron Williams because so far the Slam rankings haven’t indicated that and neither have I. So now you bring Deron Williams name in this out of the blue why? Is Deron Williams (without Boozer and Korver) better than Brandon Roy, Aaron Brooks, Darren Collison, Andre Miller? Maybe so but I don’t see you mentioning these guys. I just see you HOPING Derrick Rose doesn’t rank out high. LOL keep attempting to cover up your Derrick Rose hate my friend.

• t-sizzle Posted: Oct.11 at 11:47 am
  @Harry Twatter lol What are you talking about exactly man? I said from my very first post that I wish Slam doesn’t get it even more wrong by putting d.rose above d.will, that’s all I meant when I mentioned his name. And why would I bring out the names of those other pgs when D.Will and CP3 (a lock for top 5) are the only ones gonna be left on the list?? Not a matter of hate, but like I said, I don’t see D.Rose as this high on this list, just a matter of opinion. I see him maybe 15-20 at this point, and that’s why I made those comments. LOL anyways, I don’t see why you make assumptions into the simplest things I say. I guess to each their own hobby.

• Harry Twatter Posted: Oct.11 at 11:53 am
  Okay you love the attention and your HOPING I go back in forth with you. Unfortunately I don’t have the time. I Guarantee you will be there to hate on Rose as soon as you see his face posted LOL!!!! As long as you have haters you know your doing something right.

• Harry Twatter Posted: Oct.11 at 12:02 pm
  BTW last year Kevin Durant ranked out at 8 and he probably was the most hated at the time. http://www.slamonline.com/online/nba/slamonline-top-50/2009/10/top-50-kevin-durant-no-8/

• Ghost Posted: Oct.11 at 12:06 pm
  The reason most people aren’t agreeing with this ranking for Bosh is that it means Rose is at 12 or possibly higher. Unfair?

• Enigmatic Posted: Oct.11 at 12:14 pm
  Nothing but love for Rose from me. And the Rose hating went on last year as well, and probably will next year too. Anyways, back to the player we should ACTUALLY be discussing – I don’t know about Bosh being this high. He’s proven he couldn’t be the centerpiece of a team, yet he’s in the top 15 as a third option? Huh? That being said, Bosh might put up some monster numbers this year, mainly due to LeBron and Dwyane attracting so much attention, so we’ll see. All I know is LeBron will make life hella easier for Bosh.

• onions baby onions Posted: Oct.11 at 12:15 pm
  The only explanation for Harry Twatter’s posts is a high medicinal dose of marijuana

• airs Posted: Oct.11 at 12:22 pm
  its gonna be fun to see people eat teir words about d.rose come playoff time. dude made playoffs with great numbers for the first 2 years of his career with mediocre talent and a less than mediocre coaching staff around him. this year, everythings upgraded, including himself. don’t be surprised. i dont understand all the hate, its just a list guys.
  but don’t say you were a d.rose fan all along when he bangs on your team this year.

• airs Posted: Oct.11 at 12:28 pm
  most of you guys are probably fans of rajon rondo anyways lol

• T-Money Posted: Oct.11 at 12:30 pm
  E: that jumper has always been there, bosh is a beast from the high post. cats just don’t know yet. / seriously guys, remember what you all thought about pau gasol before he came to LA… and he never averaged what bosh averaged in points OR rebounds when he was on a crappy memphis team. you don’t have to be a franchise guy to be top 15 in the NBA because pau certainly was not that. there is nothing that amare can do on a basketball court that bosh can’t do besides jumping higher, that it.

• slick ric Posted: Oct.11 at 12:32 pm
  Rankings are based solely on projected ‘10-11 performance.

• lexluther703 Posted: Oct.11 at 12:36 pm
  You’re an absolute joke if you don’t believe Derrick Rose will be a top 12 player in the league this year. Being the best player on a team who’s poised to challenge for an eastern conference title is part of the reason for his top 12 placement, not including the fact that he’s a top 5 pg already and that he’s an all star and a gold-medal winner. Smitty @ 9:56 you’re an idiot. “Not top 7 on the B-Deem team?” Kill yourself twice. As for Bosh, one of the most overrated players in the league, nothing more than a third banana.

• SpaceJam Posted: Oct.11 at 12:36 pm
  Too much d rose hating. He doesn’t deserve any of it. Talent-wise, he can match just about any player in the league. This is the year he takes off into superstardom if he hasn’t already. So stop hating, Talkin to you Harry Twatter. Amen airs. I agree with Egnimatic.

• Harry Twatter Posted: Oct.11 at 1:00 pm
  @ SpaceJam Hmmm did you just say i was HATING ON DERRICK ROSE? Omfg why so many stupid people why??? Dude read what i was saying again and again until your reading comprehension passes a 3rd grade level. I was obviously showing respect to Rose and dissing those that disagree lol.

• Bruno Posted: Oct.11 at 1:08 pm
  hey guys focus the discussion on Bosh and how he’s way too high in this ranking

• airs Posted: Oct.11 at 1:26 pm
  that wasnt me the 2nd time btw

• Enigmatic Posted: Oct.11 at 1:29 pm
  @Harry Twatter – I think your 11:36 AM post when you qouted t-sizzle probably confused SpaceJam. I got what you were saying though. Nice username BTW.

• Anton Posted: Oct.11 at 1:44 pm
  If Duncan is a convenience store on your way to work, Bosh is the over-priced grocery store next to it. Sure, it looks nicer on the outside but you realize that the convenience store had a steady choice of products for a fair price.
  Still don’t get this “Bosh is a quick slasher” myth. He’s long and does get to the rim but I can finish KFC’s Double Down sandwhich and get my cholesterol checked in the time it takes Bosh to take his first step to the basket.

• Blackphantom Posted: Oct.11 at 2:03 pm
  hahahahaha dang Anton that was cold

• The Nupe Posted: Oct.11 at 2:17 pm
  I’m actually surprised that Bosh isn’t higher on the list. With Bron and Wade on the team, he will have an easier time this year than any other time in his career. IF TD/Amare/KG was on this years Heat, then any of them would deserve a higher spot. However, with Bosh’s talents (nobody in their right mind can say he isn’t very good/great) and how much easier this year will be for him I would put him in the top 10. Not because I think he’s one of the 10 best players in the L, but because I think he’ll have a great year because of what’s around him. TD/KG will have limited minutes which will reduce thier production, Amare will get a lot of minutes but will be doubled and doesn’t have Nash anymore. Boozer/Smith aren’t as good as Bosh (in my opinion) and they don’t have the weapons around them. So, outside of Dirk, Bosh should have a better year than any other PF and that should put him higher on the list, not lower.

• backboard Posted: Oct.11 at 2:37 pm
  i wont argue CB´s placing on the list since i could care less where he lands. Its just a list, made up by a couple of writers and everyone has their own opinion and thats fine. BUT this was a very very weak write up and explanation of why Bosh is where he is on this list. Mr. Figman wrote more about the new Heat trio than anything else, which is not importance to the article. Sometimes i am just amazed at the stuff Slam puts out there……. just my opinion of course. Good day!

• TrailBlazing&SportingLisbon Posted: Oct.11 at 2:42 pm
  hes in his prime and the Fundamental isnt, but its tough to see him ahead of Timmy, HOWEVER, is an awsome offensive player and good rebounder…I should stop talkin bout Rose cause I like him a lot, but im not hating on him, IM HATING ON SLAM, ITS ABSURD ROSE BEING top 12, he still has flaws all over the place…

• backboard Posted: Oct.11 at 2:44 pm
  *of importance

• tealish Posted: Oct.11 at 2:48 pm
  Never been a fan of Bosh, but there’s nothing too much to gripe about him having the No. 13 spot.
  He’ll never be a franchise player — doesn’t have what it takes. But a top 13 talent? I don’t know, but maybe.
  What I know we’re supposed to ignore and for now, not comment on just yet, is Derrick Rose’s placement……….but……….come on…………just saying.

• Teddy-the-Bear Posted: Oct.11 at 3:19 pm
  Okay, WHERE THE FLACK IS DERRICK ROSE?!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!?!?!?!?!?!?!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

• Teddy-the-Bear Posted: Oct.11 at 3:20 pm
  20 and 6 gets you in the Top 12 (!) ahead of 24 and 11……… Good to know.

• t-sizzle Posted: Oct.11 at 3:23 pm
  cosign trailblazing, teddy, and those not too caught up in the hype

• Nbk Posted: Oct.11 at 3:27 pm
  Ok slam are you really tryna say Derrick Rose is going to “chris Paul year 3″ the NBA?

• Jukai Posted: Oct.11 at 3:29 pm
  I can’t wait for Anton to start writing

• CHICAGO SAID IT YUP Posted: Oct.11 at 3:32 pm
  lets be real would i rather have derrick rose on my team over chris bosh? YES would i rather have him over an old tim duncan on his last leg? YES would i rather have him over a 36 year old steve nash? YES would i rather have him over rondo? HELL YES! slam is getting it right haters

• nbk Posted: Oct.11 at 4:53 pm
  yeah you would rather have him for the future. but would you rather have him THIS season? I wouldn’t, not over Nash that’s for sure. But hey, i’m a fan of winning

• Brandon Posted: Oct.11 at 5:12 pm
  Nbk what has Nash actually won, but we won’t delve into the past. This year can you seriously say with the talent Derrick Rose has compared to what Nash has with the lost of Stoudemire that you would take him over this season. We are not talking about career stats, we are referring to this year alone.

• Brandon Posted: Oct.11 at 5:19 pm
  And before anyone says he is a two time MVP I understand that but I mean by winning in the team aspect for the suns. Once again I want to reinstate “we are talking about this year.”

• nbk Posted: Oct.11 at 5:29 pm
  Well Nash has been further in the playoffs then Rose, last year for instance. Nash has a higher PER, his teams win more games every season. And Rose is only in his 3rd year so to think he will jump from a very good but not great PG to a top 11 player in the whole league is a stretch IMO. And like I said on Nash’s page, he really has only lost to Duncan, Shaq, Kobe, and Dirk in his career as a starter. (maybe the kings and timberwolves “garnett” “cwebb” i don’t exactly remember). its not like he goes out and loses to crap teams. Rose to me has to prove he can be the cause of 50 wins and atleast one playoff round victory before you put him infront of a guy with 10 straight playoff appearances, 4(?)Conference Finals Appearances (one last season), 2 MVP’s (whether he deserved them or not), and plays in a tougher conference. but hey if we only judge guys by championships then the top 10 should be Boston’s starting five followed by the Lakers.

• Enigmatic Posted: Oct.11 at 5:32 pm
  I said it before and I’ll say it again – Steve Nash getting as many regular-season MVP awards as Kobe Bryant and Shaquille O’Neal COMBINED is just a freakin’ injustice on the highest scale.

• nbk Posted: Oct.11 at 5:36 pm
  well yeah, but just like shaq and kobe i bet nash would trade his 2 MVP’s for their 3-peat

• Aaron Posted: Oct.11 at 5:38 pm
  Nice write-up Adam, although I don’t see a stacked team in Hedo Turkoglu, Andrea Bargnani, José Calderón and Jarrett Jack. Bosh is right where he should be ranked. But once the season gets underway, he’ll deserve to be higher. People are greatly underestimating the impact he’ll have on the Heat this season. CB is just as consistent as the other two. His role will be just as valuable as Wade or James’. You heard it here.

• CHICAGO SAID IT YUP Posted: Oct.11 at 5:45 pm
  cmon man nash getting 1 MVP cool. he had a great season when better players were on lesser teams. Nash getting back to back as in historic relevance? BULL****. it was only because the media fell in love with the run and gun suns and said they would win a title.Nash doesnt get criticized as other superstars does. Lebron wins 2 mvps back to back and is ridiculed for losing while NASH HAS NEVER EVEN MADE THE FINALS! but he is just a fun-loving canadian who plays soccer and lets be honest most mainstream white fans can relate to him. So he gets a pass on criticism that 2 time MVPs normally get!Dont get me wrong he is a helluva player just not in the same class as many of the greats they put him up there with, and certainly not 2 TIME MVP great. oh and YES id rather have rose this year

• Enigmatic Posted: Oct.11 at 5:50 pm
  OK Rose has never had the type of players on his team that Nash has been blessed with. Dirk Nowitzki, Michael Finley, Amare Stoudemire, Shawn Marion, just to name a few. Rose has had who? Ben Gordon? Kirk Hinrich? Joakim is just barely coming along and we just got Boozer. How about coaches? Don Nelson, Mike D’Antoni or Vinny Del Negro? You can’t say “Nash has gone further in the playoffs before and that’s why he should be ahead of Rose next year”. Everything Nash and Rose have done up to this point is irrelevant for these rankings. Is Rose a better player than Nash right now? I honestly believe so. I think Nash is getting up there in age and his minutes will be reduced, thanks in part to Dragic’s emergence. And I think, quite frankly, Rose is set to blow the f*ck up this season.

• nbk Posted: Oct.11 at 5:51 pm
  i’m not concerned with whether or not he deserved the MVP awards. I’m more focused on the fact that he has produced more wins in every conceivable way then Derrick Rose. And I don’t see any reason other then basing a judgement off of potential to think Rose will be more helpful to his team this season then Nash. If potential dictated effectiveness wouldn’t JR Smith be on this list? I’m not saying Rose is not a top 50 or even top 20 player, I am saying he is not going to help his team win more then Nash, or Duncan. (Bosh, probably but just because of his role compared to bosh’s, not because he’s a “better player”)

• nbk Posted: Oct.11 at 5:54 pm
  If I had to pick a player going forward, or even for the next 2 years I would pick Rose. But if you said alright we have an 82 game season and HAVE to make the playoffs who you take Rose or Nash. I say Nash and it would be without hesitation.

• Brandon Posted: Oct.11 at 5:58 pm
  Great post NBK and I can understand from the basis you are coming from. I will go into more when the actual article for Rose comes out but as far as Bosh goes, he will be productive for his team because he will allow the floor to be spread for the Big 3 because of his perimeter game. He will not produce as high as he did in Toronto of course, but he will be key in a number of games just because of the pressure that James and Wade will take off of him each and every game.

• JTaylor21 Posted: Oct.11 at 6:02 pm
  Enigmatic is right, DRose has never had the kind of teammates and offense that Nash has his entire career. Imagine the kind of numbers Rose could put up in a PHX style offense, it would be downright scary. Look at Nash’s Dal numbers with a slower pace and compare them to Rose’s first 2 years. I’ve said before that Rose is going to have a MONSTER third season and will make a lot of doubters on this site look stupid.

• nbk Posted: Oct.11 at 6:03 pm
  Bosh also could be substituted with Troy Murphy and it wouldn’t make much of a difference. That was my point about him having a lesser role

• nbk Posted: Oct.11 at 6:10 pm
  I’m not doubting his skills. I merely asked as my first post on this thread, does Slam really think Rose is gonna blow up this year like CP did in his 3rd year? (well actually he just straight blew up, but year 3 was his almost MVP campaign). I think he will have a very solid season, like 22 and 7 or 8, chicago will win between 49-53 games. I think Phoenix (who is less talented then chicago) will win between 44-50 games relying more heavily then last year on Nash. (Nash’s diet and health is taken care of so much more diligently then any superstar/player in NBA history, betting on a decline in production because of his age is getting overblown. infact he really hasn’t slowed down at all since his age first came into question, before he won his first MVP award)

• The Fresh Prince of Nsam Posted: Oct.11 at 6:10 pm
  Again good write-up AdaM, 4 a very contested player.

• JTaylor21 Posted: Oct.11 at 6:14 pm
  ^^Come on SON!!!!! Troy F*cking Murphy is the same as Bosh, you’re joking right? There’s no way that the Heat can be successful and win a chip this season with Murphy in the lineup and not Bosh. People are failing to see just how good CB1 is, he’s one of the best mid-range shooting big, great rebounder and at least gives effort on the defensive end. There’s a reason why he was chosen before DWade in the draft.

• nbk Posted: Oct.11 at 6:20 pm
  yeah potential. Troy Murphy is a better shooter and rebounder then Bosh, bosh is a better one on one scorer (not needed in miami) and better defender (except when he guards centers). also, I said it wouldn’t make MUCH of a difference. I didn’t say it wouldn’t make a difference.

• Teddy-the-Bear Posted: Oct.11 at 6:24 pm
  Co-sign JT.

• The Fresh Prince of Nsam Posted: Oct.11 at 6:27 pm
  @max 11:09, good observation

• Enigmatic Posted: Oct.11 at 6:31 pm
  Yeah, that Murphy/Bosh thing is definitely a stretch

• bashmo Posted: Oct.11 at 6:33 pm
  lmaooooo!!! ROSE OVER BOSH?? WTFFFF
  If Rose and Gasol are not 12 and 11 in that order I’m going jump off the nearest building

• nbk Posted: Oct.11 at 6:35 pm
  I did not say they would win a title with murphy lol. I was just saying Bosh’s role in Miami victories will not be merely as important as Rose’s in Chicago. (I also said Bosh is better then Rose). It was just an example to seperate (best player on a team) from (3rd best player on a team) in terms of contribution to wins. Not championships, Rose isn’t gonna win a championship this year, he isn’t even in contention so IDK why it jumped to that.

• Enigmatic Posted: Oct.11 at 6:43 pm
  @bashmo – at least Rose has the balls to step up and take command and leadership of his team, unlike Bosh.

• jonny Posted: Oct.11 at 6:57 pm
  All those who have argued that Derrick Rose having such a high position is justified simply aren’t making any sense. They claim that based on past stats, and projected “potential” future stats he will be a monster. Taking this into account, shouldn’t Tyreke Evans be far ahead of Rose in ranking and quite possibly a top 5 player in the league. In his lone season, as a rookie he put up better numbers than Rose has in any season of his career. According to you, doesn’t this mean he is a better player at the moment, and also one with a greater upside? Also, co-sign cb4. I wouldn’t say he was the worst on the B team, but if they were to remake the squad I think there is no way he would crack the starting line up and would probably be left off the team altogether. And for those fools saying Rose is a top 5 pg, get real. Cp3, Williams, Nash, Rondo, T parker are all definitively better, and other PGs who I think are better and that you can easily make an argument for are Billups, Westbrook, Evans, Gil Arenas, and Baron Davis. I think when talking about “potential” Steph Curry and John Wall can also be included in the discussion. D Rose is quick and athletic with “ok” decision making skills, but until he buys a jumpshot and learns to play D, I cannot consider him a top PG. Right now his legacy will be a poor mans Steve Francis.

• TrailBlazing&SportingLisbon Posted: Oct.11 at 7:01 pm
  lol at bashmo, but Gasol should be right next to Dwight Howard, hes better on offense the same amount D12 is better on D…Pau´s the best big out there although I´d pick Dwight to start a franshise obviously.

• Enigmatic Posted: Oct.11 at 7:06 pm
  Baron Davis over Derrick Rose? Come on, son…come on. For real?

• TrailBlazing&SportingLisbon Posted: Oct.11 at 7:09 pm
  @Jonny, I agree with most of what you said..but Arenas and BDiddy have no room is this conversation…ROSE IS A YOUNG GOOD QUIET LEADER, EXCELENT SPEED AND ATHLETICISM GOING TO THE RIM, GOOD FINISHING SKILL, SO SO JUMPER…on the other hand he is very bad on defense (strange cause he got the athletic ability to be very good) and a not very good playmaker, also he draws a very low ammount of faul shots, all this can be improved but hes not top 15 by any measure possible.

• C-Lo_The_Great Posted: Oct.11 at 7:18 pm
  @Jonny
  I mean this with the upmost respect, but you my friend are an idiot. Have you even seen Rose play? Rose doesn’t need to buy jumpshot, he already has one of the best mid range games in the L. I can’t believe you hace Tony Parker ahead of Rose. That’s hilarious. This isn’t 2006 sorry buddy.

• Enigmatic Posted: Oct.11 at 7:23 pm
  @TrailBlazing – I know your comment was directed at Jonny, but I need to say I hear you on Rose’s deficiencies (sp?) But to be fair, no coach has every pushed Rose on the defensive end like I believe Thibs will. Now, I’m not saying I’m sure he’s gonna go out and be a beast on defense this next year, alls I’m saying is this time next year we might be talking about how much he’s improved defensively.

• JTaylor21 Posted: Oct.11 at 7:24 pm
  Rose is a poor mans SFranchise? Looks like someone just went 10 rounds vs Tyson with their hands tied. Rose would destroy Francis one on one and will definitely have a better career. What the hell did Francis accomplish when he had a healthy Yao? Not a DAMN thang! Hate just blinds people from seeing the truth and leads to talking straight nonsense.

• mubwar Posted: Oct.11 at 7:29 pm
  duncan averaged 17.5 ppt and 10 rebounds last year…chris bosh had 24 ppt 11rb and 3 ass….Big fundamental or not Bosh took his crown for the past couple of season…GIVE RESPECT WHERE IT’S DUE….

• nbk Posted: Oct.11 at 7:30 pm
  Francis had a Yao for 2 years. Yao took 4 years to develope. Do the math. being a steve francis is not a bad thing, he was the premier scoring PG in the NBA for 4 years, and if injuries didn’t derail his athletic ability he would have been one of the greats. But derrick rose would physically man handle francis. but francis offensive skillset dwarf’s rose’s but its not a bad comparison

• AdrianC513 Posted: Oct.11 at 7:30 pm
  Ummmm wheres Ron Artest?

• jonny Posted: Oct.11 at 7:34 pm
  For real Baron Davis, youngins forget how much of a monster he is. He has also proven to be a big time playoff performer. Remember when he knocked out a 67 win Dallas team in the first round of the playoffs. Rose knocking off Cleveland would have been comparable, but his team barely got a win. People forgot how good Davis because hes been playing injured. As for Arenas, he is a couple seasons removed from averaging 29 ppg, 3.5 rb, and 6 assists per game. Even last season after playing only 15 games in the previous 2, he put up better numbers than Rose did for the entire year with 23 ppg, 4.2 rb, 7.2 assists and 1.3 steals. The problem with NBA fans is that when a player gets injured they automatically forget about his past accomplishments and drop him several spots in the rankings. The perfect example is CP3. Because he was hobbled last year, and D Williams played outstanding, everyone was quick to anoint D-WIll as the new best PG in the league, forgetting about how much of a monster Paul is when healthy.

• nbk Posted: Oct.11 at 7:42 pm
  Baron Davis did that 3 years ago. And has gotten substantially worse athletically since.

• jonny Posted: Oct.11 at 7:42 pm
  For all the Rose nuthuggers always claiming that people are “hating” on their boy. Grow up. No won hates Rose just for the sake of it. I’m just proving to you that he is seriously overrated at the moment and undeserving of the praise people are giving him. You guys are so blindly nuthugging that you can’t objectively and rationally look at the facts.

• Billy Posted: Oct.11 at 8:03 pm
  Writer says Raptors were stacked last year, then names 4 below average NBA players who are all among the ten worst defenders in the league at their position. Raptors without Bosh equal at least 20 fewer wins. Bosh will be top 10 on this list next year.

• Scott Posted: Oct.11 at 8:19 pm
  Baron Davis is fat.

• Enigmatic Posted: Oct.11 at 8:23 pm
  You call it blindly nuthugging on our part, I call it blindly hating on yours. Tomato, tomato…that makes more sense when you say it, not write it.

• TrailBlazing&SportingLisbon Posted: Oct.11 at 8:27 pm
  @jonny, I agree again with a lot of what say, BUT while youre cp3 example is correct, the Arenas one is just stupid, gilbert last season was AWFULLY INNEFICIENT(even while averaging 23), DINDNT WIN GAMES AND THE GUY HE DEFENDED PROLLY SCORED 30..about bdiddy, just cosign nbk, dude never is in shape, very talented but very lazy too.

• Brar Posted: Oct.11 at 8:40 pm
  He has talent but he’s not a leader or a player you want taking the last second shot. Also, he is a douche bag.

• Harry Twatter Posted: Oct.11 at 9:00 pm
  Derrick Rose is a Monster. He has fools hating on him on CHRIS BOSH’S page LOL!!!!!! There’s 4-5 Boston fans that continuously make random stupid comments anti-Rose then they back it buy by saying. Allen Iverson was better 10 years ago, Baron Davis had netter numbers 3 years ago, Rajon Rondo won a championship 4 years ago. WHAT ABOUT THIS UPCOMING YEAR?

• Brandon Posted: Oct.11 at 9:10 pm
  Jonny first off what do you consider overrated because already being rookie of the year your first year and second year being a all star is definitely not overrated. If you have not notice ballers like CP3, Durant, and Deron Williams to name a few all have exploded in there third year. So you saying overrated is blindly putting it mildly dumb. I’m sorry but you have to notice the talent around him to compared to others their first two years in the league. He average 27 and 7 last years playoffs with mediocre talent, now if he does not produce this year then you can call him out without any issues.

• James the Balla Posted: Oct.11 at 9:56 pm
  hahaha JT talking about hating blinding people, awesome.
  LOL @ Scott

• ball Posted: Oct.11 at 10:22 pm
  The most hated on talent in the NBA. Derrick Rose keep doing your thing and silence these critics. I’m a Celtic fan and even I realize that Rose is the truth.

• Will Posted: Oct.11 at 10:36 pm
  Top 12 BRoy
  Rose
  Dirk
  D-Will
  Gasol
  Howard
  CP3
  Melo
  Wade
  Durant
  Kobe/Lebron

• Teddy-the-Bear Posted: Oct.11 at 10:36 pm
  Co-sign nbk about Stevie Franchise.

• TrailBlazing&SportingLisbon Posted: Oct.11 at 10:58 pm
  @Will, Rose ahead of Roy?!lol, youre a big joker, funny too

• Will Posted: Oct.11 at 11:15 pm
  Broy should not even be top 15. And yes, Rose will have a much more productive year. Book it

• Lz - Cphfinest3 Posted: Oct.11 at 11:25 pm
  I like D.Rose, still think he will be rated a little too high. Like somebody said 15-20 would be about right. Regarding the Nash vs. Rose debate just consider this:
  Shooting – Nash > Rose
  Scoring – Nash > Rose
  FT shooting – Nash > Rose
  Playmaking – Nash > Rose
  Court savy – Nash > Rose
  Leadership- Nash > Rose
  Assists – Nash > Rose
  Ballhandling – Nash > Rose
  Craftiness – Nash > Rose
  Decision making – Nash > Rose
  Clutchness – Nash > Rose
  Team play – Nash > Rose
  Toughness – Nash > Rose
  Controlling the tempo/game – Nash>Rose
  Turnovers (lack of)- Nash > Rose
  Defense – Rose > Nash (they both kind of suck in this department, so it is bad over awful really)
  Speed – Rose > Nash
  Strength – Rose > Nash
  Hops – Rose > Nash
  Rebounding – Rose > Nash
  Explosiveness – Rose > Nash
  Motor – Rose > Nash
  Nash is old and there is no doubt that Rose will overtake him soon, but as of right now there is no way that Rose is the better player. Sorry (fellow) Bulls fans.

• slick ric Posted: Oct.11 at 11:54 pm
  first off people comparing Rose and francis know nothing, those guys play nothing alike just because they are athletic points and had similar numbers means nothing it like comparing Wade to Kobe to a lesser extent just cause they dunk on people and have similar stats. I hate how people are talking as if Rose is a finish product he’s going into his third not thirteenth season with arguably the best roster he has played with, so he and his team is going to improve . Can you say that about nash or Duncan. Bosh is on a better team but is he going to improve or top last season. THESE RANKINGS ARE BASED SOLELY ON NEXT SEASON.

• BBaller Posted: Oct.12 at 8:08 am
  @James The Baller 9:56pm at last hey,maybe now he can have a look at himself and get that point that he’s been missing for 6 weeks now.

• BBaller Posted: Oct.12 at 8:28 am
  The Anti Rose statements are a bit surprising to me, i’m hoping he does have a top 10 NBA standard season, is it so wrong to even expect that?
  This list is as relevant as last years and how much did that change any of our lives so please lets all chill with the dramatics, back to the post, what will Chris Bosh do this year? Should he adopt the Rodman,H Grant PF role of the 90s Bulls teams or will he be more of a focal point of the offense like you know he wants to be.
  Some how i feel it’s not his decision to make, anyway he gets a ring in Miami, doesn’t he?

• BBaller Posted: Oct.12 at 9:34 am
  Bosh did impress at the Olympics( when they all decided, sorry to put that in but its another reason why the whole thing was done so poorly ) when he had room and his 15 foot jump shot will only improve with once again more space and time that LBJ and Wade will provide. The pressure is also on Bosh to perform for if things go wrong, LBJ won’t look at himself neither will Wade. It will be Bosh that is first to go( Miami will surely give this 2-3 years no matter what).The other positive for Bosh is now he gets to train with veteran big men and has to defend the likes of LBJ and Wade which is going to make him better. If Miami players do not pretend like they have won the championship before opening tip off, by that i mean avoiding a Wrestling style introduction and parading like clowns, taking fake pictures and dancing, then it’ll restore the respect i once held for those three and wish the entire franchise well.

• ENDS Posted: Oct.12 at 10:46 am
  If E Didnt Complain about Bosh’s Placement he has no Leiway to complain about anybody else

• ENDS Posted: Oct.12 at 10:51 am
  Has Bosh Got out of the First Round?

• Allenp Posted: Oct.12 at 11:29 am
  I can’t believe NBK wrote that about Bosh and Troy Murphy. It would make a huge difference for the Heat if they had Murphy instead of Bosh mainly because Murphy is a drifter on offense and nowhere near the finisher Bosh is at the rim. And that’s where Miami needs him to do work. And, while Bosh isn’t great on defense, he’s nowhere near as horrible as Murphy, who is also frequently injured.
  Put it this way, if Lebron or wade go down for an extended period, a Heat team with Bosh and one of them is still formidable. A Heat team with Murphy and one of them is not. Bosh can anchor the second unit while Wade and Lebron rest. He’s a bonafide star that gives the coach way more options and forces defenses to play the other players honestly. Come on son, you’re better than that.

• monkeyball Posted: Oct.12 at 11:48 am
  Bosh has only proven to be a bona fide star on a bad team. How will he fit with Wade and Lebron? I agree with Allenp that when Wade or Lebron sit out games Bosh will be productive. But with both of them on the court for 40mpg? The best Bosh can do to help the Heat win multiple championships is become a better defender and a MONSTER offensive rebounder. Otherwise, his stats will drop. I see a 15ppg and 9rpg for him this season. Certainly not the 13th most productive player in the L.

• Scott Carter Posted: Oct.12 at 11:57 am
  My top 12: 1) Lebron James, 2) Kobe Bryant, 3) Kevin Durant, 4) Dwyane Wade, 5) Chris Paul, 6) Dwight Howard, 7) Carmelo Anthony, Deron Williams, 9) Derrick Rose, 10) Pau Gasol, 11) Brandon Roy, 12) Dirk Nowitzki

• Feez22 Posted: Oct.12 at 12:52 pm
  Let me put this bosh bashing to rest. Last yr bosh avg a 25 PER good for top 8 league wide. That means he achieved his numbers with the best efficiency of any frontcourt player PF or C league wide. Combine that with the fact that he is doubled /tripled every game in Toronto and he is clearly deserving of this ranking. Defense is a different story but hey you try playing with the worst starting defender at the pg spot and the worst starting center defender/rebounder in bargs. He can improve his defense especially now playing with 2 all NBA defenders. IMO 13 is perfect 4 him. it’s not slams fault that so much of you supposed fans call him overrated yet never ever watch him actually play. The raps didn’t make playoffs by 1 game and bosh missed I believe 12 games last yr due to injury. Put that in perspective when talking about playoff woes the best player e has ever played with was a non chalant Vince who wanted out. btw bosh has a nice 1at step guy was top 10 in free throws attempted due to his face up game seriously… why speak on something u know nothing about ppl? Guy can get his own. Don’t en compare him to amare Amare has been spoonfed for yrs with Nash bosh is a superior ISO player doesn’t need a silver spoon to get his.

• nbk Posted: Oct.12 at 12:54 pm
  Allen I never said they would be the same team. I said it wouldn’t make THAT much of a difference. Without Bosh they win what between 5-8 less games? Without Rose Chicago wins what 20-25 less games? All I was trying to do was compare Bosh’s role with Miami to Rose’s in chicago, and ya’ll took it to the next level. Don’t read so far into what I say, I’m not a female, I’m not speaking in code.

• Feez22 Posted: Oct.12 at 1:26 pm
  Btw I still don’t Understand the BS with ppl While talking about the raptors? Stacked? Since when? A team last yr with only 1 all star and no potential all stars after that is not stacked. A team with the worst starting defenders at the most important positions (pg/c) is NOT stacked. A team with a starting center avg less than 6rpg is not stacked. IMO bos did what he could in that city jus as gasol did in Memphis. Yet If gasol were ranked top 10 no one would say anything. However when ppl tell me that bosh can’t be top 13 due to him not being a franchise playe HOW ABOUT GASOL? As the franchise player in Memphis gasol never avg close to 24-11, never had a PER over 22 and most importantly never won a single playoff game. Now look @ his rank. The same can happen for bosh. Don’t hate on dude bc he is on the heat. He isn’t a 5 time all star for nothing. Grouping him I w/ David lee and amar is str8 foolish. Bosh has neve played in an accelerated offense that catches ppl off guard like lee and Amare have which have contributed to their inflated numbers. And Amare? LOL please. I know that season and playoffs are 2 diff things but bosh avg 20-10 v the lakers in season. Now go ahead an look at amares rebounding avg vs the lakers… That says it all. When your pf can’t even rebound don’t even compare him to a pf that can iso score and rebound at an elite level.

• Feez22 Posted: Oct.12 at 1:58 pm
  Btw nbk Troy Murphy really? Lmfao you have got to be joking me. If the heat got Troy instead of bosh I wouldn’t give them a shot in he’ll of winning any type of ring. Why? Bc he Isnt a threat offensively and on top of that is statistically a worse defender than bosh not to mention that he isn’t anywhere near the double team or triple team threat. If the heat had Troy Murphy instead if bosh they would pretty much have no legit post presence. Now if u think that would still constitute to not being a difference than you are crazy. If they plugged in gasol or booz an u made that assumption than fine. But Troy freaking Murphy? That’s not only false but it’s an insult yes it’s that ludacris of a statement.

• Adam Figman Posted: Oct.12 at 2:08 pm
  Feez22–Teams that unquestionably had less/similar talent than the Raptors made the Playoffs in the East last season. A player like Bosh who put up his career’s best numbers, guys like Hedo and Calderon who’ve been great in past years, and guys who had solid seasons like Bargs and Jack–it all adds up to what should’ve been a postseason year for the Raps.

• Isaac Posted: Oct.12 at 2:23 pm
  can’t believe there’s no Griffin on this list, yet Wall makes it.

• nbk Posted: Oct.12 at 2:54 pm
  Feez i have repeated myself twice already. Your ability to type with the inability to read is mind boggling. Did I ever say anything about Miami winning a title with troy murphy? Did I ever say it wouldn’t make a difference at all? What’s insulting is yours and many others insistance on jumping to conclusions. If your not going to read every single comment I say, or atleast be involved in the original discussion stay out of it, your opinion is useless

• Nate Osborne Posted: Oct.12 at 3:08 pm
  c’mon! bosh is top 10.

• MUBWAR Posted: Oct.12 at 3:29 pm
  why are you guys even comparing Bosh and Rose…Bosh is an all star PF averaging better 25 and 11 and some moron on this site put Rose (overrated pg) in front of him….

• doyouwantmore Posted: Oct.12 at 5:39 pm
  Do you guys actually watch basketball or do you just skim through it?

• G in Toronto Posted: Oct.12 at 8:48 pm
  Figman definitely knows Bosh’s game. Bosh is a MAJOR talent, and though he doesn’t really overwhelm in one area, he’s very good in most. Bosh just isn’t much of a leader, which is the best reason to keep him out of the top 10. More people will appreciate his game this year. Stoudemire can dunk!!! But what else does he do??? He’s terribly overrated… all the time. Rose is a really nice player, but, so far, it seems like he gets praised because people mistake his potential for ability. Maybe he’ll live up to the hype one day, but right now there are at least 4 PGs better than Rose.

• G in Toronto Posted: Oct.12 at 8:52 pm
  Bosh will shine with James and Wade. He’ll have a lot more freedom than he did with the Craptors.

• Feez22 Posted: Oct.13 at 3:15 am
  Adam did u miss the crappy season hedo had last yr? Did u miss the fact tha calderon and bargs are the worst startig defenders at their positions in the league with bargs being the WORST rebounding 5 in the game? Did u miss the fact that there was 1 all star in bosh and no potential other stars on the team? See what u r doing is overrating that team. Fact is that they missed the playoffs by 1 game and bosh was injured somewhere around 12 games. That’s what people miss when Talking about bosh. People choose to Underrate bosh and overrate his damn teammates which is foolish considering that the raps as a team couldn’t defend anyone and without bosh due to injur couldn’t score a lick. seriously what talent do u talk of with the raps? Bargs? Lol. Hedo? Horrible yr. Calderon? Don’t get me started. Derozan was young and adapting which literally leaves sonny and Jarrett jack unless u think Reggie Evans is talent. Ad Amir Johnson… Lol Jesus christ.U call that shit playoff caliber talent? Lmao the bulls bobcats bucks and even the damn heat had a better collection of player than that last yr so really how the hell are you overrating that?

• ezra Posted: Oct.13 at 10:03 am
  im just in shock that this article calls last years raptors team “stacked” wow, after bosh they didnt have anyone else. calderon is the worst defender in the leauge, turkodlu never fit in, and bargnani and jack are solid role players at best, so how is that a stacked team?????

• adam figman Posted: Oct.13 at 12:55 pm
  I don’t think it says anything about them going to the Finals, but yeah Playoffs was a reasonable and do-able goal. I always thought the best player/captain’s job was to make the other players live up to their potential, not squander it. The season before Hedo averaged 20-6-5 and was huge in bringing the Magic to the Finals. Calderon averaged 13 and 9 in ’08-09, then 10 and 6 in ’09-10. It’s hard to imagine guys like that going to a team led by KG or Duncan and falling off like that. Also, Bargnani is no All Star but he still put up 17 and 6. And there were decent role players in place–Jarrett Jack, Marco Belinelli, Amir Johnson, a young DeMar DeRozan. I’m not saying they were stacked to the point they should’ve taken the chip, but they should’ve won a few more games and hit the postseason, no question.

• nbk Posted: Oct.13 at 3:55 pm
  Toronto had playoff talent in the east. They almost made it despite the horrendous season put up by almost every member of the team without dreads. Plus it has to be very difficult to live up to your potential when you know in the preseason the team you are currently on is 99% destined to be blown up a month after the playoffs end.

• ezra Posted: Oct.13 at 10:21 pm
  this is why i dont understand the author tryed to make it seem as boshs fault they didnt make the playoffs. everyone except bosh fell off, and had bosh not gotten injured towards the end, the raptors would have made the playoffs thanks only to chris bosh

• Jono Posted: Oct.13 at 11:20 pm
  @ezra Agreed! Those euro trash players are a complete joke. Bosh almost singlehandedly dragged the Raptors into the playoffs. That being said, the Raptors are actually stacked (on paper) but totally flopped so maybe the author is right in saying they were loaded. When u have Hedo coming off a stellar NBA finals performance, a big man drafted no.1 who isn’t Mr Brown and a multiple dynamic forward like Bosh, it’s disappoint they finished 9th.

• Jono Posted: Oct.13 at 11:26 pm
  @Feez22 I still think the Raptors were ‘stacked’ in terms of competeing for the 6-8th playoff spot in a conference where only the top3 really mattered. They potentially had an awesome frontline but 2 of 3 guys totally flopped. (On a sidenote, Bargs is now the leader of the Raps. Shudders…literally.) They had a decent team and for a team whose ambitions were merely to make the playoffs, then yes they were ‘stacked’ in relation to their aspirations. That being said, I totally agree with you about the Gasol aspect. He’s gonna put some monster numbers out there and make everyone forget about Gasol, who is completely Kobe’s maid.

• Exile Posted: Oct.14 at 12:58 pm
  Bosh deserves this spot. TO fans will agree that Bosh is someone that we would still love to have. Miami will love him once injuries start to hit their team. He may not be a “leader” but he is a damn good player. PS: JONO… Bargs isn’t the leader of the Raps… Jack is. Bargs is now the “scape goat talent” for when things get stupid this year.

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