Tuesday, September 27th, 2011 at 11:49 am  |  85 responses

Top 50: Joakim Noah, no. 39

The definitive ranking of the NBA’s best players.

by Yaron Weitzman / @YaronWeitzman

Joakim Noah’s teams have always exceeded expectations. The 2006 and 2007 champion Florida Gators. The 2009 Bulls that took the defending champion Boston Celtics to seven games in the first round of the Playoffs. Last year’s Bulls team that shocked everyone by winning 62 games, and making it to the Eastern Conference Finals. Even international teams have reaped the benefits of having basketball’s Fabio on their side, with France, after having Noah join its national team this offseason, winning enough games to qualify for the Olympics for the first time since 2000. Over this time period a pattern has developed.

The question is how and why?

Why do Noah’s teams constantly get overlooked? Why are Noah’s teams always getting to points that no one thought they could?

The obvious answers here would include every basketball cliché. Noah is a hustler and a great role player. He brings intangibles to his teams that don’t get counted in box scores, and therefore, don’t get factored into projections. He’s a great defender, and defense wins Championships.

Each of these statements is true, and they all represent examples of what Noah is able to contribute to his teams. But they also just tap into the surface of Noah as a basketball player, and stopping at them would ignore the many unique and elite abilities that the Bulls center has.

Noah is not a great scorer. With a scoring average of 11.7 ppg, the second lowest ppg average of anyone this list—trailing only Rajon Rondo—you could say that he’s not even a good scorer. (Although I will remind you that in the 24 games he played last season before undergoing surgery to repair a ligament in his right thumb, Noah was averaging 14 ppg.) But the list of things on a court that Noah doesn’t do well ends at scoring, and his deficiency in this area does not prevent him from making the Bulls a better offensive team.

How?

For starters, Noah is one of the best passing big men in the League, and does an excellent job of catching and distributing the ball from the high post and paint. This is an extremely dangerous weapon that can open up all sorts of possibilities for an offense, and is a skill that most big men don’t posses. Duncan, the Gasols, Dirk; I’m sure I’m forgetting a few names, but this list, which includes Noah, is certainly not a long one.

The other way Noah helps his team on offense is by rebounding. A lot. Not only does this give his team additional possessions, but it also forces opponents to alter their defensive schemes. And what Noah has, which almost every other great offensive rebounder doesn’t have, is the athleticism and speed to get back on defense after crashing the offensive glass. Teams are almost never good at both offense and defensive rebounding. Noah allows the Bulls to excel in both, and is one of the only players in the NBA who could have this effect.

The same thing can be said for what Noah’s does on the defensive end, where he plays the Kevin Garnett role in Tom Thibodeau defense. Like a younger Garnett, the 6-11 center has the quickness to switch on to guards, the athleticism to hedge and recover on picks, and the height and shot blocking ability to alter shots in the paint.

Proficiency in these areas is usually explained through words like “hustle” and “determination,” and with phrases like “Noah just wanted it more.” But just because a player is not a scorer, doesn’t mean everything he does can be chalked up to “hustle.” Just because a player helps a team in areas other than scoring doesn’t make that player a “role player.” Noah is not a “role player.” The things that he does—elite defense, rebounding, passing, the ability to help an offense without the ball—are influential skills that should be lauded.

The sooner we start recognizing these skills, the sooner we’ll stop being shocked by what Noah’s teams do on the court.

SLAMonline Top 50 Players 2011
Rank Player Team Position Pos. Rank
50 Luol Deng Bulls SF 8
49 Andrew Bogut Bucks C 7
48 Ray Allen Celtics SG 9
47 Marc Gasol Grizzlies C 6
46 David West Hornets PF 15
45 Kevin Martin Rockets SG 8
44 Andrew Bynum Lakers C 5
43 Brandon Jennings Bucks PG 11
42 Lamar Odom Lakers PF 14
41 Gerald Wallace Blazers SF 7
40 Brook Lopez Nets C 4
39 Joakim Noah Bulls C 3

Notes
• Rankings are based solely on projected ’11-12 performance.
• Contributors to this list include: Maurice Bobb, Shannon Booher, David Cassilo, Bryan Crawford, Sandy Dover, Adam Figman, Jon Jaques, Eldon Khorshidi, Ryne Nelson, Doobie Okon, Ben Osborne, Quinn Peterson, Dave Schnur, Abe Schwadron, Dan Shapiro, Irv Soonachan, Todd Spehr, Tzvi Twersky, Yaron Weitzman, DeMarco Williams and Ben York.
• Want more of the SLAMonline Top 50? Check out the archive.

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  • http://slamonline.com Ugh

    Love Noah – not better than Bogut.

  • http://Slamonline.com Caboose

    Fair enough nbk. I only put Felton in based on how many point guards are remaining on Slam’s list. My list is like a fusion of what I think is right and what I expect Slam’s list to be. I could probably take Al off, move everyone up a level, and add David Lee down at the bottom. Why is Ellis so low for you?

  • http://Slamonline.com nbk

    He stops the flow of an offense. Is an overrated defender (idk why people think he’s good, decent is a stretch), but I also think a team can win with him, if its chalk full of defenders who can shoot. Not a championship, but you know what I mean. I would have him right around 20. (and he needs to get traded for iguodala and if it has to happen louis williams soon. I think it would benefit everyone)

  • http://Slamonline.com Caboose

    Ok, I can go with that. I think under a coach who knows best to use him (not just let him go and go and go) he’d be more dangerous. A trade for Iguodala and Lou would be a great move, I agree. I also think Ellis and Charlie Bell for JRich, Bass, Daniel Orton, and a 1st round pick would help both sides too.

  • http://Slamonline.com nbk

    It would I agree, i just don’t think the new owners/management in GState is down to take any steps back. Even if it ultimately makes them better. (is Jrich a FA now? I think his contract may have expired)

  • http://Slamonline.com Caboose

    Oh he is, my bad. Shoulda caught that one. But yeah, pair Ellis with a defensive big guy and he’ll thrive. I think Golden State is moving in the right direction, just need some talented veterans and Orlando (as always) just needs a go to scorer in the mold of Ellis, Eric Gordon, or even Kevin Martin.

  • http://Slamonline.com nbk

    Watch for some sort of amnesty provision or rule that encourages teams to purge big contracts. Those guys will get bought out and become cheap free agents.

  • http://Slamonline.com Caboose

    Yeah, I wouldn’t be surprised to see that at all. But then there’d have to be a new free agent system in place so that teams don’t end up overpaying for the freshly bought out FA’s.

  • blakos

    Red you just got owned. Stop commentating please. NBK i like the Iggy for Curry Trade. Gives some much needed D to Golden State and frees the reigns for Steph Curry.

  • blakos

    *Commenting

  • Red

    Ok, but like I said Noah hasn’t had a season ending injury & one that’s permanent. Bogut came in in 05 and Noah came in in 07 and has already proven to be affective. I’d take Noah over a Bogut with a permanent injury & he just started playing well in 09 & hasn’t consistently proven his worth Noah started helping his 2/3 year in the L kid.

    And are you sure your a big fan? Cause Noah ain’t no Boozer he’s actually a great Center so me as a Real bulls fan am putting up for my center unlike you.

    Call me crazy but I think Omer Asik would be better than Bogut if he was on the Bucks. Lmao @ blakos you’re a loser looool “stop commenting please”.

  • http://Slamonline.com nbk

    smh

  • http://www.bulls.com Enigmatic

    Someone’s questioning my love for the Bulls?
    Word?
    Check my link, kid. Click on my name. Look me up. Search the archives for “Enigmatic” and tell me I’m not a Bulls fan.
    But what I am ALSO is a realist.
    I love Noah, check my first comment on here for f*cks sake.
    But I refuse to be that guy who thinks his teams’ players are the best and can do no wrong.
    My loyalty is to the hometown team first and foremost, not the players (call me the anti-AllenP in that regard)

  • http://www.bulls.com Enigmatic

    Matter of fact, Red, I’ma just call you Bull22jr. from now on…

  • Red

    So you’ll derail our Center who is an All-Star caliber to compliment a injury ridden Center who hasn’t performed consistently? Ok you’re a real “fan”.

  • http://Slamonline.com nbk

    You dont have to become stupid to be considered a real fan. And what your saying is stupid

  • http://hoopistani.blogspot.com hoopistani

    WTF SLAM… Boozer is over Noah!!

  • http://www.optimabbc.be Max

    Red is pretty funny doubting Enig’s love for the Bulls lol..

  • http://www.optimabbc.be Max

    Bull22jr*

  • RetrOhh

    Im on here like everyday yo but don’t really comment alot
    But Enig. not a true bulls fan ? GTFOH
    & Reds argument is weak
    only thing Noah has on Bogut is hustle & heart , thats it
    dude trippin .. smh

  • Red

    I’m stupid? Yet nobody has given a single concrete rebuttal to prove I’m wrong. & k @ Max, when you 2 getting married again?

  • http://Slamonline.com nbk

    I proved you were wrong. Read the comments.

  • http://www.optimabbc.be Max

    November 21st this year….

  • Red

    No you didn’t u just dumb by not addressing the core of my argument dummy.

  • http://slamonline.com LakeShow

    ^ LOL. Beat me some more please!!! Really dude give it up. You have a quote that says “Call me crazy but I think Omer Asik would be better than Bogut if he was on the Bucks.” Your not an intelligent person. Your basically saying the equivelent of “i’d take Kyrie Irving over Chris Paul” No one even needs to lay down facts. It’s just so stupid that we are all trying to walk away.

  • http://Slamonline.com nbk

    READ:

    Red Posted: Sep.28 at 2:34 am
    So you’ll derail our Center who is an All-Star caliber to compliment a injury ridden Center who hasn’t performed consistently? Ok you’re a real “fan”.

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    nbk Posted: Sep.27 at 4:19 pm
    Bogut just led the league in blocks, played in 17 more games then Noah. Averaged more rebounds, the same amount of assits and more points. Red you need to know what your talking about before you comment

  • Red

    But u didn’t address me saying bogut had a season ending injury & one that’s permanent neither? LOL ok

  • Red

    LOL I said “call me crazy” that’s exactly the point it’s an irrational thought but one that can’t be proven wrong since Asik ain’t a starter. LOL you got so excited “I GOT HIM! :O”

  • http://Slamonline.com nbk

    Bogut’s injury was 2 years ago, those stats are from last season. Your point is irrelevant.

  • http://Slamonline.com nbk

    Saying Asik would put the second best defensive stats in the nba is so stupid even this is better treatment then it deserves. Forget about actually showing you why its stupid. Plus, he played a decent amount with JOAKIM hurt half the season.

  • Red

    It was a potential career ending injury & it’s still permanent. Your point is irrelevant LOL & actually Asik played behind Kurt Thomas(a solid center also), but he’s a rookie Center & if he got traded he’s a starting Center easily. You’ve made no solid point..not one so I’ll be ignoring your useless arguments.

  • http://slamonline.com LakeShow

    ^So what kind of numbers do you think Kurt Thomas could put up on the bucks?

  • http://www.bulls.com Enigmatic

    Kurt Thomas played for the Bucks in ’08-’09.

  • Yann Blavec

    He’s got his daddy’s teeth and voice.

  • dannyb

    This just shows how weak the C position is now in the post-Shaq era. The third best center in the league is only the 39th best player. Man how times have changed.

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