Top 50: Joe Johnson, no. 22

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• ctkennedy Posted: Oct.7 at 12:12 pm
  hes OVERPAID not overrated ….can he be your best player n win u a chip no…but dont underrated what he has done as a franchise player either…in 4vs5 matchups his LED team has beat Wade n DHoward
  …with Bron n Bosh this past yr Wade didnt win a series SINCE the title …Pierce wont winnin series either ..Ray Allen when he was the MAN wont even makin the playoffs …Melo one time out the first round..McGrady NEVER…Garnett NEVER(before big3 of course) Dirk before this past yr was losin n the first round every yr for about 4yrs straight ….Do i wish JJ was show more emotion n etc ..of course i would ….but he has done more than people think…REMEMBER Dominique Wilkins never past the second rd either n he WOULDNT stop shootin to save his life…Lls

• ctkennedy Posted: Oct.7 at 12:14 pm
  Besides this past season he 20,5,n 5…only him Wade,Bron,n Kobe do it on the regular…he should be ALITTLE higher on the list not much though

• JTaylor21 Posted: Oct.7 at 12:16 pm
  So….just because he avg. 26per for one month that somehow showed glimpses of his “greatness”? The word great and JJ should never be in the same article let alone sentence.

• Jono Posted: Oct.7 at 12:21 pm
  Wow really SLAM? Making excuses for this guy? Imagine if LeBron had a year where he averaged only 21-6-3? Wow, the public would be out with lightsabers! I totally agree with this rank. But the article just makes me cringe. I don’t see how anyone making that much money can be excused. Paid like a superstar, play like a superstar. At this rate, why don’t we start defending Rashard Lewis too?

• JTaylor21 Posted: Oct.7 at 12:23 pm
  Also, you can’t compare Monroe, Miller, Reke, AI and BRoy to him because those guys never signed a 120 million dollar contract. When you’re making more than Wade, Bron, DHow, DWill, CP, KD, RGay, Manu, and PP, people tend to expect more than an 18/4/4 on 44% season from you.

• Allenp Posted: Oct.7 at 12:24 pm
  Still my pick as the third best shooting guard in the League.

• nbk Posted: Oct.7 at 12:33 pm
  ^ yeah me 2

• Pve_2 Posted: Oct.7 at 12:34 pm
  The Bulls would be so much better off if they pried Joe Johnson away from the Hawks rather than signing Boozer…I agree with JJ being the 3rd best two in the league, but the drop off from #2 to #3 is significant. That contract Atlanta gave him was too much, but get that lock-out inducing paper, homie. It’s ain’t your fault.

• JTaylor21 Posted: Oct.7 at 12:37 pm
  I know I’m in the minority with this but I leaning towards Ellis as the 3rd best SG. JJ is the better all-around player but he’s too inconsistent for me. One night he goes for 27/5/5 and the next night, he goes 12/3/3, that’s unacceptable for a 11yr vet. Consistency plays a big part in my opinion, which is why I have Ellis above him.

• MUBWAR Posted: Oct.7 at 12:42 pm
  i like that: YOU ARE BEING PAID LIKE A SUPERSTAR SO YOU GOTTA PLAY LIKE 1

• Caboose Posted: Oct.7 at 12:47 pm
  Cosign JT. Also, this list is not about contracts so stop arguing that he’s overpaid. He is. We get it. This is about on-court production. I’d drop Joe down about 5 spots only cause he’s getting older, plays too inconsistently, and had some vanishing acts in playoff games.

• JTaylor21 Posted: Oct.7 at 12:50 pm
  Not to mention Ellis is only 25 making 11 mill a year while JJ will be 30 by next season and is set to make 107 mill over the next 5 yrs. Give me Ellis.

• Enigmatic Posted: Oct.7 at 12:51 pm
  I’ma just put this out there – I don’t think he’ll have a better season than John Wall next season.
  Or Rudy Gay.
  Or Monta Ellis.
  Or even his own teammates, Al Horford and Josh Smith, for that matter…

• nbk Posted: Oct.7 at 12:54 pm
  if this was offense only then I would prolly agree with you JTaylor. But as a two way player I’d take Johnson. Plus he plays in such a horrible system out there, it’s not very conducive to individual accolades. His versatility is also another thing that puts him ahead of Monta IMO, he can play and guard 2 different positions. 3 against the right opponents. Monta can play 2 positions, but only can defend 1 (and its not his natural position).

• Allenp Posted: Oct.7 at 12:58 pm
  I think that Johnson suffers from inconsistency because of how he’s used.
  Golden State is just a much better situation for scoring consistently.
  If Joe Johnson played for the Warriors, he would kill.

• Enigmatic Posted: Oct.7 at 12:59 pm
  Though I do think Joe Johnson is better than Monta as well.

• LakeShow Posted: Oct.7 at 1:02 pm
  With JayTaylor on this one. I think Ellis took over this spot last year. JJ just seems to be on a consistent decline of being less effective every year for the last 3. Can’t believe he has what, another 4 years on the contract? Shoot, good luck Hawks…

• nbk Posted: Oct.7 at 1:03 pm
  If this list took contracts into account I wouldn’t put Joe Johnson in the top 40.

• LakeShow Posted: Oct.7 at 1:04 pm
  Don’t know why I named you Jay, Taylor.. lol probably not your name.

• Wayno Posted: Oct.7 at 1:12 pm
  Not his fault Hawks management is dumb enough to give him a huge contract…who wouldn’t take that kind of $$$? He’s still a solid all around player. He’s not a franchise guy, but he’s pretty darn good.

• JTaylor21 Posted: Oct.7 at 1:13 pm
  Y’all are making good points but are you telling me that Ellis wouldn’t be able to score “consistently” in Atlanta aka the land of isos and one-on-one”?
  JJ’s biggest problem is inconsistency. He possess all the skills and talent needed to be a big time scorer (shooting, handle, size and touch around the basket) but lacks the moxie. Go back to the playoff series vs CHI, after a great showing in Game1 (34pts) and a decent game4 (24pts), here are his numbers for the other 4gms (16/5/1, 10/1/3, 15/2/3, 19/3/4). Where’s the consistency in that?
  When your team relies on you for scoring and you have on and off nights like that, it more than the Hawks lack of offensive schemes that’s the problem.

• JTaylor21 Posted: Oct.7 at 1:17 pm
  Lake, it’s cool. You’re closer than you think.

• don Posted: Oct.7 at 1:19 pm
  i’d take ellis over JJ right now. besides, ellis is more highlight material, if your team ain’t winning the conference title anytime soon, you might just as well have highlights to at least fill out the seats.

• JTaylor21 Posted: Oct.7 at 1:25 pm
  Also, what does it say about the Hawks best player that the only time the home crowd is out in full force and making noise is when the Roses, Kobes, LeBrons, Dwights and KDs are in town?

• nbk Posted: Oct.7 at 1:28 pm
  Well Joe Johnson shouldn’t be the number 1 option on any team that wants to win. I think that’s where his lack of consistency was. Just like Monta Ellis, who was not that consistent. Lets just look at the last 15 games of the season, (points only, I’m too tired to list more then that) 39, 16, 15, 26, 8, 18, 10, 15, 37, 20, 16, 32, 30, 26, 7. That is anything but consistent.

• JTaylor21 Posted: Oct.7 at 1:34 pm
  Fair enough. Can we all just agree that the gap between the top 2 SGs and the 3rd SG is grand-canyon huge?

• Enigmatic Posted: Oct.7 at 1:43 pm
  Hell yeah we can all agree to that.
  Two sure-fire future first ballot Hall of Famers.
  And whoever’s third will most likely be forgotten by most within 15 years.

• nbk Posted: Oct.7 at 1:45 pm
  Yeah I’ma double-stamp the triple stamp on that cosign JT.

• Caboose Posted: Oct.7 at 1:58 pm
  You can’t double stamp a triple stamp, you can’t double stamp a triple stamp! (Actually, I agree with nbk and JT completely…)

• LakeShow Posted: Oct.7 at 2:01 pm
  No erasies Caboose!!!

• Allenp Posted: Oct.7 at 2:10 pm
  Exactly NBK.
  Monta would struggle too in the slower pace and isolation heavy offense in Atlanta. That offense is like the old Cleveland offense with LeBron only Joe JOhnson is far inferior to Bron.

• nbk Posted: Oct.7 at 2:14 pm
  It’s funny how playing in Golden State totally screws up peoples perception of how good a player is. And vice versa for Atlanta & Portland.

• Enigmatic Posted: Oct.7 at 2:23 pm
  Luol Deng is better than Joe Johnson
  ……………………………………
  LOL just kidding, y’all.
  I think at this point, it’s safe to say there is no f*cking way Deng is better than any of the remaining players on this list so he should stop being brought up from now on, much to the excitement of MUBWAR…

• Pve_2 Posted: Oct.7 at 2:30 pm
  I will throw this out there–When Brandon Roy was the third best shooting guard in the league (’08-’10) the gap between top 4 SGs Wade(!), Kobe, Roy, Johnson, was not as significant as it is the current gap between the current top 3 SGs. RIP Roy’s knees.

• nbk Posted: Oct.7 at 2:36 pm
  I always thought BRandon Roy was overrated and not better than Joe Johnson. But I’m in the minority there.

• nbk Posted: Oct.7 at 2:40 pm
  that was not me.

• BAWSE Posted: Oct.7 at 2:43 pm
  You are the minority nbk! Roy was clutch and balled when it mattered the most. I live in atlanta and have gone to games. I have PERSONALLY seen in the playoffs JJ disapearing and sometimes never showing up! It is one thing not to have the skill set to dominate but this dude has everything BUT heart. Jamal Crawford is their best player to be flat out honest. If he had JJ’s body and full arsenal he would be a SURE FIRE HOF. Dude plays big in the clutch and ISNT SCARED! JJ is a glorified #3.

• JTaylor21 Posted: Oct.7 at 2:46 pm
  It may have not been as huge as it is now but it was still a significant gap between Wade/Kobe and BRoy.
  nbk, so….what if SCurry explodes for 22/5/9 on 50%/40%/90% next year (which he’s capable of) does that change your perception of how good he really is?

• nbk Posted: Oct.7 at 2:47 pm
  LOL Jamal Crawford is your best player? Might want to tell that too the other 4 guys on the team that are better then him. Dude shoots 41% for his career, but if he was 2″ taller and 40LB’s heavier he’d be a hall of famer. now that’s funny

• nbk Posted: Oct.7 at 2:52 pm
  No it doesn’t Taylor. If he brought his assists up to 9, and turned the ball over less then 3.5 times a game my perception of how good he is would change a little bit I guess. But that’s because he’d be doing things he is not doing now, on the same team. Like I’ve been saying, Monta Ellis is the same player he has been for the last 4 years, he just plays more minutes with more responsibility now then he used to. For example, in 2010-11 he averaged 21 Points, 5 assists and 3 rebounds on 45% shooting per 36 minutes. In 2007-08 he scored 19 Points, 4.7 rebounds, 3.7 Assists on 53% shooting. And his numbers have been similar every year.

• Caboose Posted: Oct.7 at 3:04 pm
  Hey Lake, wanna hear the most annoying sound in the world? Gooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo Lakers.

• datkid Posted: Oct.7 at 3:29 pm
  I used to like joe johnson… and from a two way standpoint he’s still better than monta… but i’d take monta over him in a heartbeat

• Spaceship Jay Posted: Oct.7 at 3:38 pm
  I think Monta can score without the ball… JJ can’t which significantly slows Atlanta’s offense. At times their offense looks like a pick-up game. Now than I think about it, positions 2-5 (and 6th man) play that way. And yeah, Wades been better than Kobe for at least 3 seasons now.

• nbk Posted: Oct.7 at 3:41 pm
  Joe Johnson led the league in 3pt % off the ball in Phoenix. Scored 18PPG and shot 47% from 3. Lets just say, he’s much more effective off the ball.

• rainman10 Posted: Oct.7 at 3:50 pm
  The commenters do realize that these rankings have nothing to do with salaries and paychecks right?

• LakeShow Posted: Oct.7 at 3:51 pm
  Spaceship Jay are you on crazzzzzy pills?? D-Wade better than Kobe for the last 3 years? WTH you talking about? How many games has he even played? How far in the playoffs did he take his team? Geez man.. lay off the crack in the morning. It’s arguable that this year Wade may be better than Kobe for the first time. I suggest not driving till the effects wear off homie.. dammmm

• nbk Posted: Oct.7 at 3:54 pm
  Oh Wade was better then Kobe last season. That is not arguable.

• datkid Posted: Oct.7 at 4:00 pm
  nah spaceship jay is right. wade has been better than kobe for a good 2-3 years… I feel like he was basically on his level in 08

• JTaylor21 Posted: Oct.7 at 4:04 pm
  Lake, I have to agree with Spaceship on this one (surprise!). Has kobe taken his team further in the playoffs the past 3 seasons (apart from ’11), yes but you can’t hold that against DWade based on the lack of talent around him.
  With regards to individual brilliance, Wade has been the better player since the 08 Season. More efficient, better passer, rebounder, defender and has out-performed Kobe in the playoffs (individual standpoint). Now, before 08, Kobe was without a doubt the top 2 guard but ever since then, Wade sits at the top of the SG hierarchy.

• LakeShow Posted: Oct.7 at 4:12 pm
  Oh weird, nbk, datkid, and JTaylor all showing up to tell me how much Kobe sucks. What a shock. LBJ Fellowship Unite!! You guys are not intelligent. Just not smart people at all. Do I need to get stats are accomplishments or video proof? What do you guys need? New brains obviously.

• Enigmatic Posted: Oct.7 at 4:16 pm
  F*ck that, y’all know I have no favorites in the Kobe/Wade or Kobe/LBJ debate, but Wade was indeed better than Kobe last year.
  There’s no doubt.
  Sorry, Lizake.

• maxx Posted: Oct.7 at 4:17 pm
  Ellis is better than Joe? Jamal is better than Joe??? What are people smoking on here? When’s the last time either of those guys led their team to the playoffs? I think a shooting guard is only as good as his front court. Who else is going to rebound all their misses?

• nbk Posted: Oct.7 at 4:19 pm
  Show me any kind of proof on earth Kobe was better then Wade last season. Even 1 shred. Your not intelligent lumping me into anything, you have not ever presented an intelligent argument. You say ignorant sh*t that provokes people to respond. It should come as no surprise your always fighting these fights alone. Because your generally wrong

• LakeShow Posted: Oct.7 at 4:26 pm
  Naw, there is no other Laker fans on this site that will debate anyone. Kap is a homer and only comes around once a year, Quick Nick doesn’t stick around long. Purple Reign just likes to Say Kobe Rules and then leave the page. The Seed has mental illness issues. RedStar is the equivilent of IAMORAnGE/GREENFOREVAAAA. I dunno even know any Laker fan that is a usual on this site so that’s why no one debates on these ludacris arguments. My search engine doesn’t work right now, but i’ll get on my laptop and show you why Kobe was better than Wade the last 3 years. I’ll give last year to you. I don’t agree, but thats reasonable. Since 08? You gotta be f*cking kiddin me. Be back with the facts gents.

• JTaylor21 Posted: Oct.7 at 4:27 pm
  Lake, *in my Jack Nicholson voice*; “You can’t handle the truth”.

• nbk Posted: Oct.7 at 4:31 pm
  Did I say anything about 2008? You just lump everyone’s opinions together and get all worked up like a 16 year old girl. I would back you up in your arguments if they were intelligent. But they aren’t. If you want I’ll back you up that KObe was better then Wade in 08, but after that I’m not being apart of it. They were real close in 09, and 10, but now its plainly obvious who the better player is. If you can look at them objectively.

• Allenp Posted: Oct.7 at 4:34 pm
  That comment about Joe Johnson and Brandon Roy under NBK’s name was mine. Sorry about that.

• Enigmatic Posted: Oct.7 at 4:34 pm
  Really, Lake?
  I don’t need any fellow Bulls fans on here to help me argue my points.
  And if your points were valid, even non-Laker fans would agree with you.
  I won’t say last three years either, I’d say they were too close to call prior to last year.
  But last year Wade overtook Kobe for top SG in the L, just like LeBron overtook Kobe for top player in the L.

• LakeShow Posted: Oct.7 at 4:37 pm
  Last year: DW Points Per 40 mins: 27.5. KB 30.0 PPG. Rebs per 40 DW: 7, KB:6, Ast. per 40 KB 5.5, DW: 5.0, DW: 3pt% 30, KB: 32, D-Wade turned the ball over quite a bit more also. D-Wade FT% 75, KB’s FT% 82%, Games played last year DW: 76, (33year old injury riddled)KB 82 games played last year. It’s debateable i’ll give you guys that. But to act like Wade was “obviously” better than KB is ludacris.

• Allenp Posted: Oct.7 at 4:37 pm
  I think Wade has at least been equal to Kobe since 2008. Better is still a stretch because I don’t believe Kobe gets shut down like that by the Chicago Bulls. Not in a million years.

• LakeShow Posted: Oct.7 at 4:39 pm
  Did I say I needed their help Enig? No. Sooo stfu. Go blog about how awesome D-Rose is now. Your REEEDICULOUS

• nbk Posted: Oct.7 at 4:41 pm
  Finny thT FG% doesnt make it. Choosey are we Lakeshow? How bout defense? This is why your argument s suck.

• Enigmatic Posted: Oct.7 at 4:45 pm
  Damn, Lake, how old are you?
  And I’m not blogging again till college season starts.
  Make sure you stop by Straight Off The Dome when that happens!

• JTaylor21 Posted: Oct.7 at 4:49 pm
  Enough with this “per minute” nonsense. When did it become a good thing when one player played less minutes than another? Even with all that said, Kobe played less mins and still took the most shots in the L. Kobe took damn near 300 more shots than DWade yet Wade avg. the higher PPG. So all those “per 40mins” stats are irrelevant.

• Max Posted: Oct.7 at 5:02 pm
  I think Wade was better in 08-09 where he should’ve been mvp and last year.

• Allenp Posted: Oct.7 at 5:02 pm
  Using Kobe’s per 40 minutes stats is a tad ridiculous, no? I mean, is he still a 40 minute player in any way?

• Max Posted: Oct.7 at 5:03 pm
  But let’s save this for when Kobe or Wade is on the rankings?

• LakeShow Posted: Oct.7 at 5:05 pm
  Ooh that might have something to do with the fact Kobe played all the games. So he shot more… Makes sense. Why shouldn’t we go off Per Minute Taylor? What is a better way to determine with equality? Learn me please.

• nbk Posted: Oct.7 at 5:09 pm
  He shot 300 more. Shots in 6 more games. You cant be this stupid

• Enigmatic Posted: Oct.7 at 5:12 pm
  Allen – Kobe didn’t exactly dominate the Bulls last season.
  21 per on 41% in 37 minutes per in two games.

• LakeShow Posted: Oct.7 at 5:14 pm
  I am saving it for then Max…? This is just a precursor

• Caboose Posted: Oct.7 at 5:16 pm
  I’ll say Wade was better last year. Defense gives him a definitive edge. 09-10, take your pick, both had stellar seasons. I’ll take Kobe every year prior.

• JTaylor21 Posted: Oct.7 at 5:17 pm
  Lake, How bout their actual per-minute numbers? You know the time they are on the court not some fabricated stat that can be twisted to make certain players look good. Also, for some reason you conveniently left out FG% and defensive stats. Any reason why?

• JTaylor21 Posted: Oct.7 at 5:24 pm
  I’m still sticking by my “Wade has been better since the 08 season” assertion. That was the year he led the L in scoring while avg. 7.5apg, became the first guard since MJ to block 100+ shots, second in the L in steals and second in PER (30.4). That was his best all-around season and the year he became the best SG.

• LakeShow Posted: Oct.7 at 5:24 pm
  Because their actaul numbers would go to D-Wade cause he played 5 mins more a game. Why would I defeat myself in an argument by using Kobe’s less per minute stats. I figured i’d put them on equal playing ground… Very strange of me I know.

• Enigmatic Posted: Oct.7 at 5:26 pm
  Here we go:
  Wade FG% – 50%
  Bryant FG% – 45%
  Wade – 1.5 steals and 1.1 blocks per game.
  Bryant – 1.2 steals and 0.1 blocks per game.

• Max Posted: Oct.7 at 5:28 pm
  Cosign JTaylor, Wade was mvp that season.

• LakeShow Posted: Oct.7 at 5:29 pm
  D-Wade had the most effecient season of his career due to playing with a 6’8″ Point forward who some would say is the best player in the L. Makes sense to me. Defense wise, Kobe is getting old so I have to give that one to D-Wade. Not by lightyears. But by a fair amount now. KB prime vs D-Wade Prime tho, I’m definitely taking Kobe on both ends of the floor. KB had 1.2 steals as opposed to D-Wades 1.5. D-Wade plays lackluster D often though. Only when he feels like it does he play good D. D-Wade is also the best shot blocking 6’4″ player ever also. So add that in there.

• nbk Posted: Oct.7 at 5:32 pm
  Their actual Per Minute Numbers Kobe Scores more points (on 4 more shot attempts, which is obscene), and gets more assists. Everything else is in Wade’s favor. — But the 4 extra shot attempts are a glaring issue, whether you wanna admit it or not. Kobe chucks. And the assist number descrepency (if you have paid any attention to their careers) can be directly attributed to LeBron James having the ball instead of Dwyane Wade. While nobody in LA is taking actual Possessions away from Kobe Bryant. (And please don’t try and argue that, he got more shots up per minute last season then he has in any season of his career except 2005-06)

• Allenp Posted: Oct.7 at 5:34 pm
  I feel like 2008 was his best year, but then he regressed in 2009, in my opinion. In 2008 he was coming off injury and wanted to let everyone know he was back. By the next year he was pouting and stuff, which bothered me and dropped him some.
  I say they are equal, or Wade might have a slight edge, maybe, only because I like the way Kobe thinks through a game.
  Also, we still haven’t seen Steve Nash, I wonder how high he will be listed particularly since he posted his worst numbers in any year in Phoenix last year.

• nbk Posted: Oct.7 at 5:34 pm
  and Wade was barely more efficient last season then he has been in previous seasons. LeBron helped a little bit, but not that much. Wade > Kobe. It’s ok, every great player regresses.

• Allenp Posted: Oct.7 at 5:35 pm
  But what I really want to know from Enigmatic is what he thinks about 2K12 so far. I haven’t purchased it yet, but I might this weekend.

• nbk Posted: Oct.7 at 5:35 pm
  Allen, shooting wise yes Nash had his worst season since being in Phoenix. But everything else was better, even his assist rate. And have you seen that roster? Pretty remarkable.

• JTaylor21 Posted: Oct.7 at 5:37 pm
  Lake, que? So you pick stats that make Kobe look good and ignore the ones that don’t?
  Also, Wade has shot above 49% 3 different times in his career (without Bron) and shot 50% last season. So…..there goes your “wade had his most efficient season due to playing next to Bron” logic. Try again.

• Enigmatic Posted: Oct.7 at 5:40 pm
  Lake, who the hell is arguing prime Kobe vs. prime Dwyane??
  Certainly not me.
  @Allen – The game is dope. Definitely cop it. Should be even better once the lockout ends so they can add other rookies besides Ricky freakin’ Rubio on there.

• Allenp Posted: Oct.7 at 5:41 pm
  NBK
  Who else on the team was going to pass the ball?
  Nah, I’m not saying he’s dunzo, i’m saying that when you look at his scoring numbers, he appears to be entering that same stage that John Stockton entered late in his career, where he could still run a team well, but was clearly diminished. Which makes his ranking somewhat curious.

• nbk Posted: Oct.7 at 5:45 pm
  Well there hasn’t been anyone there to pass the ball for years. And there is also nobody to score the ball either. Nash was the teams leading scorer after JRich got traded. His defense has totally 100% disappeared though, dude isn’t even taking charges anymore, and that used to be his only weapon.

• JTaylor21 Posted: Oct.7 at 5:45 pm
  Ricky Martin Rubio is on there? Aww sheeeeeeeeeeeeeit, I’m going to have to return it now.

• nbk Posted: Oct.7 at 5:50 pm
  Rubio signed his contract before the lockout. So he signed over his rights. Winning ROY in Myplayer is CAKE now though. I’ve won every rookie of the month award so far but have only played in 4 “key” games. The rest have been simulated.

• Enigmatic Posted: Oct.7 at 5:53 pm
  I haven’t simulated any My Player games, do you still earn skill points when you do?

• nbk Posted: Oct.7 at 5:54 pm
  only for achievements. LIke play in 100 games, or get 100 career rebounds, but no, no skill points for what your player does outside of that.

• Max Posted: Oct.7 at 5:55 pm
  I want 2k so bad right now, but my ps3 is broke.. SMH

• Enigmatic Posted: Oct.7 at 6:02 pm
  Hey Lake… 2k Sports thinks Wade is better than Bryant too, BTW.

• JTaylor21 Posted: Oct.7 at 6:11 pm
  Enigmatic, what level do you play on? *HOF or Die*

• Enigmatic Posted: Oct.7 at 6:19 pm
  All-Star.
  Hall of Fame kicks my a**.
  I play video games to relax, but I can’t relax if the Toronto Raptors are dropping 140 points on my Chicago Bulls, who have just set an NBA record for turnovers in a game.
  Props to you for playing in HOF, but I can’t hang, and don’t really wanna try to.

• LakeShow Posted: Oct.7 at 6:43 pm
  I have no problem with 2k thinking Wade is better than Kobe. Video games are rarely realistic D-Wade has always been more effecient than Kobe. And NBK your right the extra shots is a big issue. I just don’t understand how shooting 4% less than someone and scoring similarly can equate to an extra 4 shots, but i’m not a math wiz so alright.

• nbk Posted: Oct.7 at 7:19 pm
  Well Wade shoots more free throws. And Kobe only shoots 2 more shots a game. But 4 more per 36 minutes. Basically Kobe is shooting more shots in less minutes then anyone in the league.

• LakeShow Posted: Oct.7 at 7:44 pm
  I understand that. It sounds terrible… You guys watch allot of basketball I know that, but I watch more Lakers than anyone (or as much as). Cause I don’t miss a minute. Numerous times through out the season Kobe would be talking to Pau going down the court telling him he’s going to give him the ball, and so Pau goes down to the low block best he can and tries to get position and can’t. He get pushed off the block and it’s an unsafe pass to make. Kobe looks around and everyone looks back at Kobe with a blank face like sh*t we thought you were gunna pass it to Pau and now we don’t have any sort of a play going. And Kobe just says F it as they are trying to scrap together a play to run for the last 10 secs of the shot clock and KB just goes ISO and just gets a shot off. Many times a stupid shot, but it goes in a decent amount also and they all just trot back on defense. The Lakers didn’t play very good team basketball last season, but I don’t attribute it all to Kobe like you guys do. I watch the games and I see these guys are just watching Kobe sometimes. I understand he has some blame for that also. Sometimes a dude is wide open and Kobe just takes the contested jumper, but that doesn’t make it okay to not be aggressive and still run plays all the way through the next time up the floor. This is partially Kobe and partially rest of the players faults. What this is getting at is I feel like Kobe puts up some dumb shots, but other times he just has to because he is the only one that is being aggressiveand the only one to be in any way interested or to have an advantage. Just my opine. Doesn’t really mean anything. Just something I took notice of especially last year.

• nbk Posted: Oct.7 at 8:02 pm
  Kobe shouldnt be closed minded enough for that scenario you just explained to even Happen. Lol, he’s a hog, the best in the league, but a hog nOne-the-less. He even lets ruined assist opportunities ruin a Whole play.

• what Posted: Oct.7 at 8:11 pm
  This article portrays Joe Johnson as a great but inconsistent player. I think you got it backwards. Joe is very consistent; the problem is he is consistently just good, rarely if ever great. Of course that’s not necessarily a problem… unless you are paying him more money than anyone else in the league and you have no cap flexibility to improve your roster.

• Caboose Posted: Oct.7 at 8:39 pm
  ^ Didn’t watch the playoffs.

• LakeShow Posted: Oct.7 at 9:22 pm
  Your right. I still would take him over Wade and LbJ next season. (Not saying he’s better.) I expect Kobe to confirm he’s the best 2 guard next season. I hope he is getting smarter with age, like he has seemed to be doing, and gets better shots, and passes to the open man for the sake of the team. Have a good weekend fellas.

• Stigma Posted: Oct.7 at 9:42 pm
  Kobe: First Team All-NBA
  First Team All-NBA Defensive
  Wade: Second Team All-NBA
  Not saying whose better, only making the point that LakeShow is not alone in his opinion (Voters)

• Galagu Posted: Oct.8 at 12:02 am
  @spaceship how do you score without the ball??

• what Posted: Oct.8 at 2:40 am
  @Caboose: if you were talking about me, I have been to every Hawks home playoff game since 2008.

• Caboose Posted: Oct.8 at 5:39 am
  I was talking to you. Joe’s playoff scoring numbers this past year: 25, 14, 21, 20, 5, 23, 34, 16, 10, 24, 15, 19. How is that consistent? 18.83 average with a standard deviation of 7.59. Not sure how solid you are with statistics, but that’s extremely inconsistent data.

• JMac Posted: Oct.8 at 8:19 am
  Not fair to say Roy had a bad ’11. I mean he did, but come on…give him a pair of good knees and he’s far better than Joe Johnson and Monta. And he wouldn’t be far behind Wade and Kobe either…kinda.

• zach Posted: Oct.8 at 12:47 pm
  Anyone who whatches ball knows that Kobe hasn’t been an elite defender in years. Miss me with the stupid/political All-NBA teams.

• zach Posted: Oct.8 at 12:48 pm
  Watches*

• what Posted: Oct.8 at 8:41 pm
  @caboose: you are taking a fairly small sample size over the course of this year’s playoffs, whereas I’m talking about what he has done as a Hawk over the course of six years. In those six years he has consistently been good but rarely been great.

• AirForceONE Posted: Oct.8 at 9:27 pm
  @LakeShow you are hilarious! Kobe Bryant is 33 years old and going in to his 16th NBA season. If he is playing at such a high level that you would take him over Dwyane Wade or Lebron James, then why cant he figure out, if what you say is correct about him on offense, that the Lakers run a triangle offense, and in the triangle offense there are a possible 25 sets and over 100 options.

• Caboose Posted: Oct.9 at 12:08 am
  what: Unfortunately this is not a career ranking. This is based on next season’s projection. And the best predictor of the future is to examine the most recent evidence.

• Seven Duece Posted: Oct.11 at 10:39 pm
  People can hate, but JJ will upgrade any team he goes to in a trade, either thru talent or chemistry.

• Jer Dawg Posted: Oct.14 at 12:02 am
  These past playoffs really showed how great he really is. Even in the loss to the Bulls. They haven’t gotten out of 1st round in the longest time and this past season he showed up. Scary good. I do agree he is overpaid, but not overrated. he’s damn good, but not efin great like his contract says he is. If he’s a consistent killer and closer I think his contract isn’t even an issue because he’d be worth it.