Monday, June 15th, 2009 at 11:30 am  |  32 responses

Auerbach’s Family on Phil Jackson’s 10th Ring

Red’s people aren’t quite ready to call Phil the greatest coach ever: “Not to take away from Phil, but it’s a different record,’ said Randy Auerbach, who lives in Los Angeles. ‘You’re talking about a record with one team in which he won the first one and then won in eight consecutive years. Phil did it with two different teams and it wasn’t consistently. It’s about quantity. If that’s his case, good for him. But it has to be broken down. It’s a different record. How do you compare eight in a row, nine in 10 years?’”

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  • sam beaumont


  • http://www.alllooksame.com Tarzan Cooper

    yep, its different, phil is great no doubt, but it took him so much longer

  • Ben

    Is Mourning a part of Red’s people?

  • Statik

    the comparisons are different and Red did it when there was much more turmoil in the league as far as race relations and things like that…but those who really don’t know will only see the numbers 9 and 10

  • pennydunk_1

    How many teams were there back then? Is talent more…’spreaded’ nowadays? How many playoff rounds did you have to win back then? Has basketball evolved since then?

  • pennydunk_1

    @Ben; Funny!

  • http://allanzuss@yahoo.com Mendel

    whatever, JAX is GOAT

  • http://shawn-kemps-offspring.blogspot.com Cheryl

    Also, was the competition better then than now? I’m not so sure.

  • Jay

    Why are these people so bitter? Why can’t they just see the achievement for what it is? What a bunch of cry babies, it’s like when Maris broke Ruth’s single-season record, his kids were bitter about it too. A legacy would always be within their family, so why are they being sore about another person’s achievements…

    Also Red’s team had a pack full of hall of famers and obviously Bill Russel!

  • Josh D

    Very good point, i now can’t decide who is the best coach ever

  • Chris

    He sounds mad and bitter, I don’t know why. Congratulate Phil and keep it moving. I still believe Phil is better than Red due to the talent pool of league being much higher, and the playoff’s being much more difficult. Both were great coaches in their own generations.

  • http://double-technical.blogspot.com Zee!

    Bitter till the end….Phil still takes it like a G. G.O.A.T. that is.

  • http://slamonline.com E.J.

    Phil Jackson is the greatest coach of all time because he won 10 championships when basketball was at its hardest and most competitive. Compare the talent of an NBA All-Star today and an NBA All-Star back then. Phil Jackson has 209 post-season wins, Auerbach’s got only 99. The format during Auerbach’s time was a lot easier and he had easily the most talented team in the NBA. If Auerbach’s family is mad they should go jump in river. Phil Jackson may have had the best players but he had to devise numerous strategies to actually win. Even Van Gundy admits it, Phil has won 51 playoff series throughout his coaching career. Give the man his due, even though he has broken this record Jackson remains humble.

  • Diogo

    Haters will hate.

  • niQ

    wow. that’s so bitter. just give the man his respect. honestly, and winning 8 consecutive years? THAT’s cause they probably had the same core team (didn’t check, too lazy). If Jordan stayed in the league and never thought about retiring, I am pretty sure they could have had a similar run as well. In the end, no dispresect to the Auerbach’s Family but, WOW. I can’t believe they said that.

  • Teddy-the-Bear

    @ Cheryl: You tell me. The Celtics had Bill Russell battling WILT CHAMBERLAIN in his prime. I’d say that’s quite a lot of competition.
    But wait! This year Phil had to deal with the liks of Nene in the post; THAT IS SO MUCH MORE COMPETITION.

  • Teddy-the-Bear


  • Teddy-the-Bear

    @ EJ: Are you serious? Why do people keep saying basketball was easier back then? YOU CAN’T COMPARE THEM. I agree, give Phil his due. But read my post above.

  • http://shawn-kemps-offspring.blogspot.com Cheryl

    On a nightly basis, though Teddy? How many games were played per season? How many different teams did Red have to game plan for? I don’t know Teddy, I think Phil’s had to deal with far more than Red. But, of course, this could be debated all day and still there’d be no definitive answer.

  • chintao

    Both Red and Fphil can rot in Hell, but as long as we’re debating…. Fphil is a great salesman, but a non-coach. He tries to get gigs with the teams with the most dominant players in the league. Once he does, he tries to stay as far out of the way as possible, so as not to mess things up. Red was a teacher. Guess who is the better COACH? Also, Fphil’s shoulder pads are more ridiculous than Red’s cigars, so there’s that….

  • seven deuce

    Damn, they couldn’t just say congratulations?!

  • Marco

    Winning titles in a long span of time, with different teams, in a bit different eras of bball, is a much more difficult accomplishment then winning 8 in a row

  • Marco

    and don’t forget that if jordan had stayed with the team instead of playing baseball also PJ would have 8 in a row.
    What if Bill Russel went playing cricket for 2 years?Is Auerbach winning?don’t think so

  • Karl

    Great coaches have great players. Phil Jackson I would assume had an easier road to this title than any other. Utah (Really no challenge), A banged up Houston with 2 of its best players sidelined, Denver and Orlando instead of the Cavs.. who knows what it would have turned out if it was the Cavs v Lakers. In the end, give credit when it’s due. For Phil, it’s due.

  • http://www.kb24.com The Seed

    Are people on this website dumb, or idiotic’s who need to be waterboarded. Phil won titles with 4 different teams, two three peats, with different players around Jordan and Pippen and with Kobe and Shaq and now with Kobe and good players(Gasol, Odom, Ariza and Fisher). Red can’t compare to that.

  • http://www.kb24.com The Seed

    Bill Russell won two titles with this team when Red retired as player coach, Wow. and Red didn’t have to deal with free agency, he had 7 HOFamers, but he didn’t have great teams, with the greatest complete center ever in Bill Russell. Also the competiton was not that great as now, Its like I say about Baseball, Babe Ruth competed against his own and dominated, Josh Gibson had more Home runs than him, but Babe is the greatest, if the league was integrated, Babe would have been a good player, not great going against Stachell Page and others. Red as the best coach is overated, give Phil his due, because Shaq and Kobe has been coached by others.

  • http://sandoonamoon.blogspot.com/ Superman_Osman

    Consistency is a big booty hoe I can tell you that. The Bulls years were kinna consistent. MJ was there when they got their first 3 in a row. Played some Barons ball then came back midway the 95 season. Next season started, the number of rings doubled. To Phil, it’s more of I need the best baller on the planet on my team. To Red, it’s more like let me make a champion out of what I have.

  • Ken

    The real question is: what does Auerbach’s family think about Stan van Gundy?

  • chintao

    Superman_Osman makes sense.

  • jsmallz

    red is always gonna be the best.not by numbers.people will say the time he coached back then was weaker.but all this is…is something to make phil better looking than red.red commanded respectthe players of back then could still give heck to todays players.people can say its harder to win with different teams.its true as being able to keep a team strong like he did.he made winning for the celtics a tradition.though he has only 9 rings as a coach he he had a hand in 16.he was able to get players in.larry bird,paul pierce and all sorts even to rondo before he died. that slight hand.so i guess had had one push to have one piece to number 17.im sorry phil but when the C’s meet u next year its gonna be another one for red..

  • http://nba.com Daniel

    I dont like the lakers.

  • http://gmail.com Evan Dunphy

    There is no debate. Phil Jackson is the best couch of all time in any sport period. Name another sport where a team won ten titles. Olimpics, car racing. Basketball is different then any one person sport. You have to jugle 10 to 12 guys for 82 games and the playoffs. And look at how many times Phil has done that. Red is the only person that came close now he’s not even close. Anybody who would even think of questioning Phil hasn’t read any of his books and dosn’t know a thing about him.