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One of the best joints of all time…
the xx remix tops it http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dbbAj3EDJM8
rest in peace biggie
And if ya don’t know, now you know n1gga..
It’s was all a dream.
Super Nintendo, Sega Genesis…
Remember a day when that line was just in my head all day and kept repeating over and over, people wondered what I was talking about
“birthdays were the worst days, now we sip champagne when we thirsty!” Always loved that. The epitome of rags to riches summed up in one dope line.
Word dfrance21 – G.O.A.T.
Ahhh, the memories being young and rap being good…
“Jabbed her, and asked her who da’ man, she said, B.I.G., and I b*st in her e-y-e.
I’m dead wrong.”
Biggie had theee most incredible lines and metaphors of any rapper ever (Sorry Jay). The craziest thing is that he did it in such a short amount of time. People say Pac is better than Big, but look at how long it took Pac to finally come into his own. Anger and revenge took him to that level. Big came in the game and crushed it on his first try and didn’t stop until he was stopped. Rest in Peace, Christopher “Frank White” Wallace. King of New York and greatest of all time.
My fav rap joint of all time with my fav rap artist of all time. Props Schneezy! And give it up to Mtume for the track. “It was all a dream/I used to read Word Up magazine/Salt-N-Peppa and Heavy D up in the limosine”….
@ The Philosopher. With all due respect to Biggie, Em killed it on that track.
the best hip hop song ever
Yeah, Slim Shady is among the last of a dying breed.
There was a time when real hip – hop would permeate the commercial airwaves. Now, it is all watered down.
It’s like many of these guys are just feeding the “machine”. Doing what the labels are telling them to do.
I would bet that there are a number of artists who do not even like there own material. I could be wrong, but…
^ ex. Lupe Fiasco
Lupe’s pretty good.
He has a couple catchy tunes…
He is a good example, though.
In my judgement.
best big song ever
Come on! They took an OLD Biggie verse and threw on an at his peak Em. And seriously, who HASN’T Em killed on a track? I wish Em and Pun would’ve did a track. That would’ve been bananas. Speaking of Pun, I remember being told that he was holding on to that “NY Giants” beat in hopes of having Biggie on it. But once he died, M.O.P got the call.
Philo- It’s because rapping is a way to become rich and famous now. Very few cats just do it for the love of rhyming. So if a label tells you make this kind of track and you’ll get rich, thats what they’re gonna do 9 times out of ten. Its like Jay Z said “I dumbed down for my audience to double my dollars…” It kills me being a Nas fan and hearing cats criticize him for not having a “club banger” or the illest beats, knowing they’re not listening to a word he’s spittin. Sorry for the rant.
Everybody who ever got into the rap game wanted to get paid. if you believe anything differently, you are fooling yourself. Biggie wanted to be rich. Nas wanted to be rich. All rappers don’t make the same compromises, but they ALL make compromises.
I hated that Nas went the commercial route when he did “You Won’t See Me Tonight,” “Oochie Wally,” and “You Owe Me.” Those joints were SO bad. Not only lyrically, but his flows weren’t clicking with the beat because he was out of his element. He tried to hop on that club sh*t when he’s clearly NOT that dude. FEW MC’s can rip a street beat and a club banger. Biggie, Pun, Jay, 50 (at one time), even Ja Rule in his era. But pure MC’s like Nas, Rakim, and KRS don’t sound right over a club joint.
Thank you very much. Biggie is the greatest of all time.
When can I get some Canton Jones, Mail Music or Deitrick Haddon. BOOK IT!!!
It’d be dope to get some One Mic, or Mos and talib in definition
what about AZ? he’s really underrated
Tupac>>>>Biggie. Close thread
Outkast >>> Tupac and Biggie
Nas is the greatest MC in the game…PERIOD! You can talk all this Weezy and Jigga bull all you want. Much respect to Jigga especially, he is ONE of the greatest. But album sales, mixtapes, business ventures, etc. don’t make you the illest in the game. Because money can’t make you spit fire. You got to be born with that, that’ real talk. And once you’re born with it, you’ve got to nurture, hone and perfect your craft. Now, I know all these cynicall a**hole critics wanna bag on my dude Esco cuz his sound has changed over the years, but that’s jus’ part of evolution of character. Even on my dude’s club anthems, he still holds it down! R U serious? Have you not heard Nas and Mary J. Blige “Braveheart Party”? Dude is raw! God’s Son 4eva!
@What….Wat!? Outkast? Come on u cant be serious
Sincere. Its debatable who the best Mic Checka is. U got Biggie, Nas, KRS-One, Rakim, Pac, Ice Cube.., etc. It just depends on who u ask. Ask me? I say Biggie. Ask u? Nas. And its all good. Its just ur opinion. But please, don’t mention Lil Wayne again. Thank you.
Seriously, Wayne is theeeeee most overrated rapper in the history of the game. He never had a classic song, much less a classic album. He’s had his moments where he spits clever lines and metaphors, but he was prematurely crowned Jigga’s successor. Now he’s running around in colorful knee high stockings while claiming Blood – how can people still consider this burgerduck a legit rapper? I’m waiting to see who’s gonna be the first d*ck rider in the hood and start walking around with those ridiculous socks on.
Co-sign what… He might actually be right. And that’s no knock on anybody’s favorite rapper.
Wayne has come a very long way.
BUT, in my opinion, he’s overrated. He’s become a decent rapper. As someone pointed out, he has some catchy metaphors, and all that. He has become a rapper who uses metaphors predominantly. Jadakiss was also known for this.
50 Cent would get at Jada for being a strictly metaphorical rapper with no real lines.
Ludacris, in my opinion, is today’s best rapper who represents the South. He goes in.
Nas is the greatest rapper of all times.
I might get humiliated for typing this, but… Drake can rap.
He really can rap.
There are a few other artists, too.
BIG L …NUFF SAID
When its all said and done J Cole will be up there too
B.I.G…..is the goat….ALL Quality…Big Krit is THE best rapper at the moment killing everybody……i dont mind Fred the Godson either….Nas and Jigga are up there too , have most of there albums and both dudes have multiple classics but as someone said before , look what BIG did with so little time .classic….
Hip hop has always been changing since day 1. But with that said, I think it’s current form has allot to do with how much technology, and the record business have shaped her. In the past i always knew old folks who were down with the artform and even some of the more gully cats spittin’. I don’t see that as much anymore. Theres a disconnect. I feel like hip hop is going thru a stage right now were she’s been turned out soo many times it’s hard to recognize the b*tch. Maybe im blinded by bias, having lived thru and bein’ such a fan in the golden age of the 90′s. But the music now, can hardly be called music. The vast majority of commercial Emcee’s to me, either lack thier own I.D. or flow, or a strong sense of purpose or message or power. Soo many young dudes just seem to be cop’n someone else flow, its soft as hell. And most, have traded in studio musicians for more futuristic sounding club beats. Like i said, hip hop has always changed. Starting with disco break beats..boom bap’..native tounges, jazz laced…G’funk. Maybe im wrong, but it seems like right now there’s not a strong connection to the earlier forms black soul music that was always reflected in and at the heart of, even the more commercial & radio hip hop artists.
Its like the Jimi Hendrix debate. Was he amazing?? Yes. Absolutely. But he died at 28, so to say there has never been anyone better is ridiculous. Eric Clapton has made music for 50+ years, so even though he isn’t my favorite musician, he is better than Hendrix on guitar. BIGGIE dropped 2 albums, the 2nd of which sounded nothing like his 1st one. Meanwhile Outkast has been in the game over 15 years, plus andre3000 is pure bananas, so to say Biggie is the greatest of all time is like telling the whole world that your music knowledge is limited at best.
I love Juicy and loved BIG but I think he’s overrated. Not in the sense that he couldn’t rap, but I think we as human beings tend to elevate peoples status once they die. Like everyone was going crazy because it was Aaliyah’s bday the other day. Sure she had some hits, but could she REALLY sing? Hell no! But the tragedy of her death has people remembering her as one of the greats. Like John said, he only dropped 2 albums and for what its worth, his subject matter didn’t stray much from “money clothes and hoes.” He had a few introspective track in there, which I think is actually his best work, but those are never the tracks people talk about. I like Nas the best because I think he gave you a little bit of everything, not just over his career, but on each album. But to each is own, everyone has different tastes in music. I just think Biggie didn’t have the chance to put out enough material to really hold the GOAT title.
JOHN MUSTVE BEEN SNORTING CHILI PEPPERS WHEN HE SAID CLAPTON IS BETTER THAN JIMI ON GUITAR. GET LUCID!!!
If Andre 3000 is still rapping ain’t nobody better from the South. And Luda ain’t better than Bun B.
PHIL LOSES MORE POINTS. LUDA??? REALLY?? NO SIR.
If T.I. can stay out of jail for more than a week I’d give him the king of the South title. I like 3000, but he barely raps anymore and when he does he’s been rapping in code.
I hear you Hammer, you spit truf. Everyone’s opinion is everyone’s opinion. I’m jus’ confidant when I speak, that’s all. And all tha cats you mentioned are mos definately tha considered to be tha greatest…no doubt! But don’t get it twisted…I am not a fan of Weezy! He may be able to throw out some metaphores out his ass but that don’t mean nuttin’. Jada is so sik wit it, metaphores or not! Jada lyrically can not be f****d wit by half tha game! 50 is a B***H!
Drake is not hot! Weezy taught him how to spit and his style is so played out now! Dude can’t even freestyle. He was exciting when he first came out but he’s boring now!
Big L is raw!
McGruff…that’s real talk!
And, Ludacris is better than Bun B.
I mean, let us be for real, my brethren.
i think as a serious rap fan gotta give it to king hov and nas, but they’ve both learnt from each other and obviously b.i.g they both idolised b.i.g there hole careers, 50 was hot when he first came out but only at the expence of ja rule who is a good rapper nobody can deni that, then theres people like busta, wu tang, whove been in the game for years but cant seem to sell records anymore because they refuse to make radio friendly songs which is the best thing for rap fans nobody likes a sell out but weezy just does whatever to cause attention to sell a half decent album then claim its a classic only new rapper im looking forward to is j cole
As a matter of fact, (in my opinion) Ludacris is the South’s greatest commercial rapper of all time.
Lyric for lyric, bar for bar, Luda matches up with many of the premier rappers in the game today.
Luda is nasty but, honestly, I can’t decide who’s tha King of tha South. T.I. or Luda. I would honestly have to go wit T.I. only cuz I think Luda’s moved on from hailing himself tha King of tha South and he’s jus’ migrated to callin’ himself tha best period. T.I. is still on that King of tha South s**t! But both dudes are my n****z who are NICE on tha mic!
Outkast is by FAR the best rap group to come out of the South. The closest are the Geto Boys, but beyond that, it isn’t even close.
3000 doesn’t rap in code. He just doesn’t rap simple. There is a big difference.
Cats complain about Jay Z’s dumb it down line, but there is a reason he said that. Somebody like Common packed metaphors, and personification and symbolism into his rhymes for years and cats complained it was too dense. Dre does the same thing. It ain’t code, it just makes you use your brain.
Luda is a punchline rapper with a cool voice. That’s it.
Luda <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<< Big Boi, Dre, Scarface, Bun B, TI, Lil Wayne. He might be worse than 8-Ball back when 8-Ball actually cared about rapping.
@ Allenp: I didn’t know people actually complained that some rappers were, you know, songwriters… lol.
You’re right, of course.
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