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Friday, October 28th, 2011 at 12:14 pm  |  118 responses

Layup Lines: Dre Day

Here’s a jimmy joke about your mama that you might not like.

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  • Frankie

    Eazy e can eat a big fat

  • O

    Dr. Dre is my dude, but RZA was the overall better producer. An argument I ALWAYS have with my west coast homies…

  • T-Ray

    @O I think they both have different styles so it’s really hard to compare. It really comes down to personal preference.

  • http://www.bulls.com Enigmatic

    DJ Premier > Dre and RZA.
    It’s 2011 and Premo’s still relevant. Them other two cats, not so much.
    As for Dre vs. RZA, that’s a tough one. Man…you could make the argument both were instrumental (literally in some cases) in creating a whole sound for their respective coasts.

  • http://www.slamonline.com Max

    Young Snoop looks kinda funny.

  • O

    My argument is that RZA produced WHOLE albums for Wu Members and the beats were ridiculously dope. Dre didn’t produced whole albums for his artists like Prince Raheem. Given, RZA’s production career didn’t go as far as Dre (people still asking Dre for beats), but his beats weren’t exactly cut for commercial play. They were hard head banging joints. Yes, Dre started the G-funk movement. Incredible period for hip-hop, but RZA I think had a more impressive and creative body of work. And you right Enig, DJ Premier, ’nuff said.

  • T-Ray

    Not sure why my last comment didn’t show but basically I agree with O and Enig. Also check out “Drug Test” (produced by Dre) “Born In the Trap” (produced by Premo) and “Heartbreaker” (produced by RZA) those are dope tracks

  • http://www.bulls.com Enigmatic

    Didn’t Dre produce the entire Chronic and Doggystyle alums?
    I know Daz and Warren G co-produced some songs on Doggystyle but for the most part it was Dre.
    Same with the NWA joints. All Dre and Yella.
    Granted, RZA had NO co-producers early on (except for 4th Disciple on one Liquid Swords track and True Master did a track on Ironman), it was all him.
    I think RZA was better but for a much shorter period of time.
    36 Chambers came out in ’93. Wu Tang Forever came out in ’97. Honeslty, I think after that his production fell off HARD.
    You heard his beats on Meth’s Tical 2000 and his own Bobby Digital and it just wasn’t the same.
    Dude was experimenting with live instrumentation, and learning to play the keyboards and all this other stuff and it just wasn’t as dope as old RZA.
    Nowadays I don’t even get excited anymore when I see a beat credited to RZA.
    Same with Havoc, man, and those were 2 of my favorites.

  • O

    @ Enig, don’t you remember that everyone was saying Dre just mixed down those records he “produced”? Pac said he was mad at Dre cause Dre told him he produced “Mind Made Up” and Daz had to clear that up. But you right about RZA falling off. I think he fell off after Wu Tang Forever. But seriously, “36 Chambers,” “Tical,” “Liquid Swords,” “Cuban Linx,” “Ironman,” “Return to the 36,” “Wu Tang Forever” RZA was going IN in the mid 90′s. And like you said, if it’s produced by RZA, it doesn’t generate the same excitement as it used to. But who does anymore? When it’s produced by Dre I wonder if it’s really Scott Storch, Nottz, Eminmen, D. Porter or whoever else he was paying off to keep quiet and let him take credit. He’s good at orchestrating production and mixing down, but he’s not entirely creating on the boards anymore. And he hasn’t been for quite some time.

  • ripslam

    “Drug Test” is a DJ Khalil joint. Still a dope track though.

  • http://nba.com GP23

    Dre discovered Eminem (a potential GOAT)… but I love Premo, and his work on illmatic.

  • http://www.bulls.com Enigmatic

    Yeah, I see what you mean, O.
    Kinda makes you wonder what dude does now that his beats are mostly made for him, and his lyrics are always written for him.
    @GP23 – Dre didn’t “discover” Eminem. He took a chance on him and signed him, but I already knew who Eminem was before he was on Aftermath.

  • http://nba.com GP23

    @matic.. Yes, I meant he gave him his big break, “discovered” was the wrong word to use. But without doubt Dre helped his career. Em always thanks Dre everytime he wins an award. Before he accepts an award he always begins with “I would like to thank Dr Dre”.. Em was a great MC before ’99 with the amazing ‘infinite’ album. But Dre definately helped him out, when everyone else just ignored him (probably because he was white)… how wrong they were.

  • HAMMER

    I’d have to disagree that RZA fell off after the “Forever” album.
    In my opinion, “The W” was probably a bit better than “Forever”. From start to finish.
    I know I’m in the minority on this one, but RZA’s production on “The W” was a thing of beauty and underrated as HELL.
    I would have to say he fell off ALOT on “Iron Flag”, which is by far & away Wu’s worst album.

  • Jetfuel

    Dont`t known why, but this song made me think of “breathe” by Fab, prolly cause of quality lyrically substance and flow. Anywho; “breathe” top five ever? got my vote

  • http://www.bulls.com Enigmatic

    If Dre hadn’t signed him, someone else would’ve.
    I’ve never read anywhere anything about labels declining to sign him or rejecting him the way I’ve read about how 4 or 5 different record labels passed on Nas or wanted nothing to do with him.

  • http://www.bulls.com Enigmatic

    “Breathe”?
    Top 5 ever?
    Are you serious???

  • HAMMER

    “Breath” is hella nice, w/out a doubt.
    Not top 5 tho in my opinion.

  • HAMMER

    ^ “Breathe”

  • http://nba.com GP23

    co-sign HAMMER, its ill, but no top 5.

  • Jetfuel

    yes! I`m sorry, I know this is not a popoular opinion..but I just had a “relevation” reagarding this song, after party..2 weeks ago, 23 out of 25 people was first grindin as hell when this came on, after we had 3 hour debate about Brooklyn rappers

  • Jetfuel

    ^revalation

  • HAMMER

    Realistically, is there any songs in this Millennium that even merit a consideration for a top 5, even top 10 spot? Hell, even top 20?
    I can’t think of a single one.

  • http://thahiphopcorner.com Kevin

    Great diss but this song was mad gay SMH at all of the homo references in this track.

  • golden state

    DJ Premier – best pure hip hop producer
    Dr Dre – Most influential producer
    RZA – most cinematic producer
    J Dilla – most creative producer
    Timbaland – most unique sound
    Kanye West – best sampler
    9th Wonder – most underrated/underground producer

    to each his own…

  • http://www.bulls.com Enigmatic

    9th Wonder isn’t underrated anymore.
    He was underrated back in like ’03 or ’04.
    Now anyone who knows anything about rap music besides the BS tv and radio feeds you know who he is and think he’s dope.
    I’d say someone like Exile is more underrated.

  • T-Ray

    @ripslam yeah you’re right my bad it was Khalil
    @Enig yeah I agree 9th Wonder isn’t underrated anymore a lot of artist and other producers give dude his props. Honestly I feel Cool&Dre and 1500 or Nothin are the best up and coming producers.

  • http://www.bulls.com Enigmatic

    @HAMMER- yeah, The W was on the low dope.
    “Hollow Bones”, “Jah World” and “I Can’t Go to Sleep” were my faves on that album.

  • snasty10

    @hammer “till i collapse” by em might be top 5-10 of all time, beat was insane, em killed it, and RIP to nate dogg, had one of the best hooks ever

  • http://www.bulls.com Enigmatic

    “Till I Collapse?”
    C’mon now!
    I wouldn’t even rate that as a top 10 Eminem song of all time!!

  • snasty10

    lol come on man, that song was siiiick, you could feel his anger through tthat song, he spit on it so hard

  • http://www.bulls.com Enigmatic

    There are no songs post-2000 that should be considered a top 20 rap song of all time.
    But there has definitely been some BANGERS.
    Some of Jay-Z’s joints from Blueprint, some of Sigel’s joints, some of Common’s, the Detroit MCs have been bananas – Em, Royce, Elzhi, I could go on and on, but no one has banged out a top 20 all time joint.

  • snasty10

    ya i agree, thats just the one song that always got me hype anytime i listened to it, i feel like mid to early 90′s was the golden age of rap

  • http://www.bulls.com Enigmatic

    @snasty – The song was good. It’s a great track to pump you up.
    But top 5 or 10 ALL TIME???
    The beat wasn’t “insane”, it was a simple beat very similar to other Eminem beats.
    Em has killed it more lovelier on other tracks.
    And that wasn’t even one of the best hooks by Nate Dogg, let alone one of the best hooks ever.
    When we’re talking “all-time”, we’re talking songs like Grandmaster Flash and the Furious Five’s “The Message”, Sugarhill Gang’s “Rapper’s Delight”, Run-DMC’s “Sucker MCs”, Rakim’s “Paid in Full”, Nas’ “One Love”, Wu Tang’s “C.R.E.A.M.”, Snoop Dogg’s “Gin & Juice”, Biggie’s “Juicy”, Jay-Z’s “Dead Presidents”, 2Pac’s “Hail Mary”, you feel me?
    “Till I Collapse” can’t touch none of those.

  • http://www.bulls.com Enigmatic

    M.O.P.’s “Here Today, Gone Tomorrow” is my get hype song. lol

  • snasty10

    lol i feel you man, and all those song’s you just named off are classic, but i mean thats your top 5 of all time, i feel everyone has there own top 5, and thats why this debate would never end

  • snasty10

    MOP is to underated, straight grimey, also Bone thugs one of the most underated to, Creepin On A Come Up was one of the best debut CD’s of all time and Eternal front to back was classic

  • http://www.bulls.com Enigmatic

    Nah, that wasn’t my top 5, that was just some classics I named off the top of my head. lol

  • O

    2000 era has NO top 20 songs, period. Biggest song of the 00′s was probably 50′s “In Da Club.” And that song isn’t even a hip-hop classic.

  • snasty10

    ic, well what would be your top 5 of all time? just curious, personally i dont think i could come up with a list

  • http://www.bulls.com Enigmatic

    Man, I’d have to think for a minute about that….

  • snasty10

    take me about a month

  • http://www.bulls.com Enigmatic

    O, you got a list? We’ll say top 10.

  • O

    Are we talkin’ about top 10 songs or beats???

  • http://www.bulls.com Enigmatic

    Songs overall.
    Like, your own personal top 10 rap songs of all time, not what other critics or what album sales tell you is top 10, your own personal “that’s that sh*t!!!” top 10 list.
    Oh, I’d have a lot of fun with a top 10 beats list.
    We gon’ do that next…I’ma need to think about that one…

  • O

    Top 10 hip-hop songs of all-time to me (in no particular order):

    Warning – Biggie – Dope story tellin on some G sh*t.
    One More Chance Remix – Biggie – Got my first piece of a$$ smokin’ blunts with hash to this.
    Mind Playin’ Tricks – Gheto Boyz – GREAT story telling about the game giving n*ccas paranoia.
    Nuthin’ But a G Thang – Dr. Dre – DOPE block party song with a G twist.
    Know The Ledge – Rakim – The rhymes were just…
    World is Yours – Nas – The rhymes were just…
    Still I Rise (original) – 2Pac – Street poetry.
    Gotcha Open (remix) – Black Moon – “Woke up in the morning, hopped on the train/saw my man, he had an L in his hand/hiding from the beast…” That literally was my mornings everyday for my LAST 4 years of high school (super duper senior here).
    You ain’t A Killa – Big Pun – The rhymes were just…
    T.R.O.Y – Pete Rock & CL Smooth – The soulful beat and picture that Smooth painted about his life, in-f*ckin-credible.

  • http://www.bulls.com Enigmatic

    Alright, I’ma give it a try.

  • http://www.bulls.com Enigmatic

    And that list was DOPE, O.

  • ripslam

    “Stan” and “Lose Yourself” are honestly the only individual Eminem tracks I could consider as top 10 all-time. Em himself is one of the GOATs.

  • http://www.bulls.com Enigmatic

    Alright, here’s my ten songs, also in no particular order
    1. Nas – “One Love” – Q-Tip and Nas were both ON POINT with the beats and rhymes
    2. Blu – “In Remembrance of Me” – newer joint but reminds me of my childhood
    3. Big Pun – “Beware” – First time I heard it my jaw dropped. Juju did his thing on this too
    4. Biggie – “Everyday Struggle” – Real-life sh*t, DOPE rhymes, DOPE beat
    5. Geto Boys – “Mind Playin Tricks on Me” – What O said
    6. Jay-Z – “D’Evils” – Just a great song
    7. The Roots w/ Common – “Act Too” – Hip-hop, you’re the love of my life!
    8. 2Pac – “Hail Mary” – I didn’t smoke much weed growing up, but when I did this had to be playing
    9. Nas – “Nas is Like” – gave me chills first time I heard it
    10. OC –“Time’s Up” – classic. “Why you lyin for?/I know where you live/I know your folks/you was a sucka as a kid!”

  • http://nba.com GP23

    1. Stan – Em
    2. Juicy – Big
    3. Dear Mama – 2pac
    4. I used to love H.E.R – Common
    5. Put it on – Big L
    6. Halftime – Nas
    7. Nothin’ but a G thang – Dre/Snoop
    8. C.R.E.A.M – Wu Tang
    9. Childrens Story – Slick Rick
    10. I ain’t no joke – Rakim
    this is off the dome though.. i could of gave it more thought, but all these are dope !

  • http://thahiphopcorner.com Kevin

    SMH why people stay hating on the 2000′s acting like there was nothing great or no classics to come from this era? Acting like there wasnt a bunch of garbage in the 90′s as well

  • http://www.bulls.com Enigmatic

    Cuase there’s no classics to come from this era.
    Name one.

  • O

    Enig, real DOPE list. When it came to Pun, it was a toss up between Beware, You ain’t a Killa and Dream Shatterer. And Beatnuts are crazy underrated producers. Off The Books beat is one of my top 10, but mostly cause Pun ATE that track. GP3, you got some f*ckin great picks in yours too. Stan, Dear Mama, Children’s Story and CREAM are like hip-hop stables. Or at least they should be to these generations of hip-hoppers. It’s funny cause an “Honorable Mentions” list would be longer than just 10 joints. That’s word.

  • http://slamonline.com Tae

    Dre is a bi sexual pus*y

  • O

    @ Kevin, cause even the hot garbage of the 90′s is still better than today’s hits.

  • HAMMER

    Co-sign what Enigmatic said.
    Im not putting down Millennium rap. No doubt there have been some great songs.
    But when one stacks them up against 90′s & 80′s rap, it doesn’t come close.
    I mean Jigga’s “Blueprint”, which is a classic, doesn’t have a single top 20 hip-hop song of all-time.
    Little Brother, which I absolutely love, honestly u can’t say that they have a top 20 in them either.
    Just a couple examples.

  • golden state

    heres my list in no order:
    warren g – this dj
    david banner – cadillac on 22′s
    nas – world is yours
    nas – street dreams remix
    wu tang – can it be so simple
    gangstarr – mass appeal
    outkast – southernplayalistic
    bone thugs – crossroads
    jay z – politics as usual
    devin the dude – what a job

  • HAMMER

    Here’s my list, no particular order:

    “Juicy”-Biggie
    “Hail Mary”-Tupac
    “Life’s a b!tch”-Nas
    “Let the funk flow”-EPMD
    “Punks jump up”-Brand Nu
    “Triumph”-Wu Tang
    “Step into a world”-KRS-One
    “Come clean”-Jeru the Damaja
    “Wicked”-Ice Cube
    “White lines”-Grand Master Flash

  • golden state

    honorable mention:
    dr.dre – still dre
    souls of mischief – 93 til infinity
    tribe called quest – we got the jazz
    AZ – sugar hill
    talib kweli & mos def – thieves in the night

  • http://thetroyblog.com Teddy-the-Bear

    @ Enigmatic: Sure, RZA’s peak was for a somewhat short span of time… But don’t you think that applies to Dre as well?

  • http://thetroyblog.com Teddy-the-Bear

    And yes, RZA > Dre. G-Funk itself is very very limited… Sorry to the West Coast rap fans out there–but there was/is so much beyond G-Funk from the West, so you shouldn’t even be offended by that. Nowadays any beat by Dr. Dre is sort of like his “Beats by Dr. Dre” headphones… You know it’s gonna be a moneymaker, but it’s going to be over-hyped and not that great…

  • golden state

    i thinks its interesting how we have different joints from wu-tang, nas, and biggie on our lists..just shows their incredible skills.

  • http://www.bulls.com Enigmatic

    Teddy – Dre was at his best from about ’88 to ’96. RZA from ’93 to ’97. Like I said, RZA was better, but for a shorter amount of time.

  • http://www.bulls.com Enigmatic

    WTF my top ten beats list won’t post, but @golden state- love that you mentioned Devin the Dude.
    I wouldn’t say he’s an all-time great, but he is definitely underrated!

  • http://thetroyblog.com Teddy-the-Bear

    Also, after all these discussions on the best producers in hip-hop, cats are still sleeping on Prince Paul!

  • http://thetroyblog.com Teddy-the-Bear

    @ Enigmatic: No disrespect, but I don’t really know what that means. Even if RZA’s peak lasted four years (which I disagree with), his stuff is still so much better than Dre’s, that there never was a period where you could say Dr. Dre > RZA. Unless you count 1988 when RZA probably wasn’t producing. Not even now, when both are past their primes.
    Also, I disagree with that because RZA’s production on Masta Killa’s debut was very very good. Not OB4CL good, but still better than Dre post-2000.

  • http://www.bulls.com Enigmatic

    Let me try again. Had a nice numbered long list with explanations of why I like each beat and who produced it but whatever…
    Nas – “One Love”
    Jay-Z – “December 4th (9th Wonder Remix)
    M.O.P. – “Here Today, Gone Tomorrow”
    Kanye West – “Jesus Walks”
    Pete Rock & CL Smooth – “T.R.O.Y.”
    Mobb Deep – “Drop a Gem on Em”
    Elzhi – “Talking in my Sleep”
    Nas – “Nas is Like”
    M.O.P. – “Breakin’ the Rules”
    Atmosphere – “Little Man”

  • O

    Honorable Mentions:

    Juicy – Biggie
    Scenario – A Tribe Called Quest
    Passin’ Me By – Pharcyde
    So Much Pain (Above The Rim sountrack) – Tupac
    360 Degree – Grand Puba
    Everything’s Going To Be Alright – Naughty By Nature
    Players Anthem – Junior Mafia
    Bucktown – Smif-N-Wessun
    93 till Infinity – Souls of Mischief
    Summer Time – Will Smith
    Hard Knock Life – Jay-Z
    Dead Presidents – Jay-Z
    One Love – Nas
    Represent – Nas
    Can It Be All So Simple – Wu-Tang
    Shadow Boxin’ – Gza feat. Method Man
    All I Need – Method Man

    Seriously, I can keep going…

  • http://www.bulls.com Enigmatic

    Teddy, his production being “so much better” than Dre’s is definitely a matter of opinion, I mean, many experts believe The Chronic is the best produced album of all time.
    Not sure if I’d go there, but it’s up there.

  • http://thetroyblog.com Teddy-the-Bear

    Okay nvm, I see what you’re saying. But even if Dre was good for a longer period of time, we should look at the albums produced.
    Dre: “Straight Outta Compton,” “No One Can Do it Better,” “Efil4zaggin,” The Chronic,” and “Doggystyle.”
    RZA: “Enter the Wu-Tang,” “Tical,” “Return to the 36 Chambers,” “Only Built 4 Cuban Linx,” “Liquid Swords,” and “Ironman.”
    Not to mention “Supreme Clientele,” which RZA didn’t produce alone but still influenced the overall sound. RZA hasn’t fallen off as much as you think.

  • http://www.bulls.com Enigmatic

    Teddy, I’ll admit I haven’t heard Master Killer’s joint. I’ll check that out.

  • http://www.bulls.com Enigmatic

    *Masta Killa. LOL was thinking of the old Martial Arts movie for some reason.

  • http://thetroyblog.com Teddy-the-Bear

    Oh, and Dre Day is a tight song, but as a diss record it was nothing compared to Tim Dog’s “F*ck Compton.” No disrespect to Compton or the West Coast, but Tim Dog completely sh!t on Death Row, DJ Quik, Compton’s Most Wanted, etc.
    Top 5 diss records of all time. Hands down.

  • O

    Dope list Enig. Here’s my top 10 beat list:

    Mass Appeal – DJ Premier
    CREAM – RZA
    G Thang – Dr. Dre
    Scenario – Tribe
    P.S.A – Just Blaze
    The Hardest Word – Diz Gibran joint, but i’m not sure who produced it.
    Off The Books – Beatnuts
    Everyday People – Speech
    Who Shot Ya – Nashiem Myrick & Puff
    Last Dayz – Fredro Starr

  • http://thetroyblog.com Teddy-the-Bear

    @ Enigmatic: haha yeah that’s where he got his name from, I think. You’ll probably like it, though the rapping isn’t that amazing. The song to check for is called “No Said Date.” Great beat by RZA.
    I have to admit that I first heard it a while ago when I had a Wu-Tang obsession, and I liked it back then, but I haven’t heard it for a long time… So maybe it’s not as good as I say it is.
    DOPE lists, btw.

  • O

    Word to Teddy-The-Bear. That’s what i’m always sayin’. Dr. Dre had dope beats and is still an in-demand producer, but look at RZA’s catalog in that short amount of time. Just ridiculous. Sounds, samples, drums – just incredible. I really have to start a hip-hop blog and start these debates everyday. LOL. This is just block talk to me and my peeps. We stay arguing about producers, rappers, albums, etc. I have a dope album vs album argument we stay having on the block. I’ll save it for next week sometime…

  • http://nba.com GP23

    Don’t forget Marley Marl, he was dope for real..

  • O

    Speaking of producers, I LOVED Jigga’s original idea for the Blackout album. 12 songs, 12 producers. He had a DOPE list of producers, but then stuck to Blaze, Kanye and Neptunes for the most part. Disappointing…

  • blakos

    Um top ten in order my shaped by moments in my life Note i come from NZ so my perspective will most likely be different. Oh and this list could just go on.

    1. Skills – Gangstar
    2. Shook Ones II – Mobb Deep
    3. Electric Relaxation – Tribe Called Quest
    4 Juicy – Biggie
    5. Cold World – GZA
    6. Sweet Dreams – Nas
    7. It was a good Day – Ice Cube
    8. Aint no fun – Snoop
    9. I aint mad at ya – 2pac
    10 Steel Magnolia – Cypress Hill

  • blakos

    Lets not get into honorable mentions. Could be here all day

  • http://www.bulls.com Enigmatic

    WTF, nothing worse than when your comments aren’t showing up during a dope convo…

  • http://thetroyblog.com Teddy-the-Bear

    @ blakos: Co-sign on that “Shook Ones II” and “Cold World” by GZA… Dope dope dope!

  • http://www.bulls.com Enigmatic

    O, how many Eminem sta…er, I mean fans you think seen our lists and said “WTF is ‘Time’s up’ and ‘Last Dayz”, then go home to watch 8 Mile talking about “I love these beats!”
    LMAO

  • http://www.blogabull.com/ cheecagomayne

    damn too hard to do a top ten but fook it:
    land of the heartless-bone thugs
    used to love her-common
    yall don’t really hear me tho -fabolous
    relaxation- fashawn
    no hook- jay z
    my way home- common
    hurt me soul- lupe fiasco
    the message- nas
    everyday struggles- notorious big
    spm diaries- spm
    you never know- immortal technique
    murder to excellence- jay and kanye
    paperchase- do or die
    magic- psychodrama i know that’s more than ten but i got a CPS edumacation so i dont give a f*ck

  • http://www.blogabull.com/ cheecagomayne

    wtf where my comments at bruh

  • http://www.bulls.com Enigmatic

    @blakos and everyone else – I just feel the need to throw this out there…does anyone have any idea why non-American rap fans know their sh*t more than like 70% of US rap fans?
    Think about it.
    Cats like Mos Def or Common will get slept on state-side, then go to Europe or Asia and get MAD love.
    When I lived in Japan, I used to cop the Japanese rappers’ albums.
    Could only understand like one out of every 5 words, but the beats were ON POINT.
    Thanks to the internet, we can talk to people all over the world, and it seems like Europeans and Asians really know their hip-hop.
    Not just rap, but they’re down with the culture – the beatboxing, the b-boying, the DJing, the graffiti.
    Anyone know why?

  • http://www.bulls.com Enigmatic

    LMAO @ cheecagomayne.
    Yo, the Do or Die and the Psychodrama joints are DOPE.
    Personally, my favorite Do or Die track is “Playa Like me and You”. Sh*t was smooth as hell.
    Man, I could go on about Chicago rappers for a while.
    Twista, Do or Die, Crucial Conflict, Psychodrama, Triple Darkness, Molemen, Common, Kanye, Kidz in the Hall, etc.

  • http://www.bulls.com Enigmatic

    @O – yo, if you ever wanna write a blog together, or want me to contribute, I’m down. Just throwing it out there.
    My own blog I created to talk about basketball has somehow been me going on about rap lately anyways.

  • http://www.blogabull.com/ cheecagomayne

    idk man, but i think chicago rappers got some of the best cruising music.
    what part of chicago u from?

  • http://www.twitter.com/dfrance21 dfrance21

    I just love that fact that Nas is listed on most everybodies list in. But I agree with Kevin, the 2000s wasn’t the crap era for music yall make it out to be. Eminems The Way I Am or Nas’ One Mic could make a case for the list IMO. But it all comes down to taste and what YOUR personal definition of a good track is.

  • http://www.bulls.com Enigmatic

    Never lived in Chicago proper.
    Grew up in Elgin/Carpentersville. NW Suburbs.

  • http://www.blogabull.com/ cheecagomayne

    omg how could i forget about hay by crucial conflict. love that beat i think the lyrics were subpar tho

  • snasty10

    no particular order
    Nas New York State of Mind
    Jay-Z Im Feeling It
    Biggie Warning
    2pac Life Goes On
    Bone Thugs No Surrender
    Bone Thugs Thuggish Ruggish Bone
    Tribe Can I Kick It
    Nas Aint Hard To Tell
    Biggie Juicy
    Wu Tang Proteck Ya Neck

    This My top ten, Im not saying these are the ten best rap songs ever, just mine

  • http://www.bulls.com Enigmatic

    Cheecagomayne, you ever heard Crucial’s “Good Side Bad Side”?
    The song, not the album.
    It was unreleased but had a DOPE western movie sample.
    Them cats went off on that track. See if you can find it.

  • http://www.blogabull.com/ cheecagomayne

    fosho, when i was a shorty(still kind am; 17) i lived in lil village for a minute then moved out to the west sububrbs, cicero to be exact.

  • http://www.blogabull.com/ cheecagomayne

    never heard of it but will look it up when i get back home

  • http://www.bulls.com Enigmatic

    I used to love going to Little Village as a youngin’. Especially being Mexican-American, it’s like Little Mexico, lol.
    Aint been there in forever though.

  • golden state

    i would just like to say that i thoroughly enjoyed these conversations within knowledgeable hip hop fans.

  • golden state

    putting out a top 10 production list would take too long..i would be putting songs in and out forever

  • golden state

    putting out a top list of production songs would take too long..i would be putting songs on and off the list for days

  • http://www.bulls.com Enigmatic

    Damn, this the most comments I seen on a Layup Lines post.
    Unless you count the ones called “Just Cuz”.

  • Heals

    Gotta love the unpredictability of the Layup Lines comment section. O starts it off with the production question and the rest is history. This could’ve easily been an E vs W mess, but instead went a much higher route…

  • blakos

    @Teddy Shook Ones has a special place for me. We used to play the instrumental on our mates decks and do drunken freestyles. Great times.Oh and favs from GZA would be endless despite the fact that he was incoherent when he came to play at Auckland this year.

    @Enigmatic: Maybe one reason International fans may have a greater appreciation of US Hip Hop is that they have no bias towards east/west/south etc. All i know is that if it has a nice beat, solid flows etc i like it. Doesn’t matter if its from Compton or or flippin Alabama, you know what i mean. Thats just a theory though as the cats on here seem to have a good grasp on the genre.Its funny how everyone has their favs, most of the time influenced by where and when they grew up. I heard most of my favs from my brothers and mates, there is a lot i wouldn’t have even listened to. I have a mate who is a religious Tupac fan and then another who has every Atmosphere album out.

  • Heals

    Matic major props for the Exile mention, the guy is just a good musician. Interesting question about American v Foreign music listeners. I dunno off the top of my head: Americans may have more social outlets overall, Americans more likely to be “fed” music/Foreigners “seek out” their tastes, Cultural emphasis – Americans don’t know world news/Foreigners know facts about USA, Trends – Americans always chase em’/Foreigners find an identity, Education – Foreigners often smarter than Americans so more interest in “deeper” music, Mental focus – Americans have tendency to view life/issues somewhat narrowly, whereas Foreigners more about bigger picture/whole meal, Media coverage – American pop-culture over-the-top, in-your-face on all outlets so whack artists get more publicity, Mentality – Americans (on the avg) just don’t seem to be down with cause (whatever it may be) like foreigners do. Don’t mean anything by “foreigners,” just trying to be somewhat succinct and of course there are some exceptions (and stereotypes) to every example I gave…

  • blakos

    Interesting points heals. On a general level and from what i perceive from others (being family friends, media outlets) i would agree with you. However the Americans i have met have been tourists in NZ and all of them were reasonably worldly. Of cause that is a extremely small sample size. Oh and to add to my post above, lyrics matter too……………

  • O

    @ Enig, i’d definitely build with you on a blog, pana. It’s all good. On a sidenote: I know it’s hella late, but I’d like to add Verbal Intercourse to my top 11 hip-hop list and beat list. That joint was simple remarkable. And as far as heads overseas loving hip-hop, I have no clue. They just love not only American culture, but hip-hop culture as well. Look at Bapes. They just Air Force 1′s and lately, shell toes with stars on the side. I used to love rocking ‘em when NO ONE knew what the hell they were. Now everyone knows and there’s bootlegs galore of them. Hip-hop is universal man. The Bronx, NY reached the whole f*cking world with it’s poverty inspired music.

  • http://thetroyblog.com Teddy-the-Bear

    Not to toot my own horn, but you guys would probably enjoy the TROY blog. I haven’t done anything for the blog in about half a year, but they’re still putting out quality posts, from opinion pieces to interviews to downloadable music. They’re definitely worthy of the traffic. You can find a lot of rarities and demos and ish like that too. Try searching for some of the older posts especially, they have so many gems.

  • http://thetroyblog.com Teddy-the-Bear

    Also, an Enigmatic/Omar hip-hop blog would be awesome. Make it happen, Rigo!

  • http://www.bulls.com Enigmatic

    Thanks, Teddy.
    I’ll check out that blog too.
    O, you got a twitter or way to get a hold of you?

  • http://www.facebook.com/joe.l.brewer3 BlackPhantom

    How can y’all bring up great producers and not say anything about Madlib?? He’s a better sampler than Kanye in my opinion. And I’d personally put “Black Milk” as most underrated producer, unless we’re talking about undergroud artists. Here’s my Top 10(no particular order)

    The World in Yours-Nas
    T.R.O.Y.- Pete Rock & C.L. Smooth
    Stan-Eminem
    Mind Playin’ Tricks on Me-Geto Boys
    Runnin’-The Pharcyde
    Everyday Struggle-Biggie Smalls
    Keep Ya Head Up-2Pac
    Today Was A Good Day-Ice Cube
    All I Need-Method Man
    The 6th Sense-Common

    Honorable Mention(s):
    Mathematics-Mos Def
    Get By-Talib Kweli
    The Coolest-Lupe Fiasco
    Hurt Me Soul-Lupe Fiasco
    Know the Ledge-Eric B.& Rakim
    Follow the Leader- Eric B. & Rakim
    Jesus Walks-Kanye West
    It Ain’t Hard to Tell-Nas
    My Advice 2 You-Gang Starr
    Tryin’ to Find a Balance-Atmosphere
    Strange Ways-Madvillan
    So Many Tears-2Pac

  • O

    @ Enig, I don’t twitter, man. Always felt like Twitter was meant for heads who have a product to push or something like that. I have homies who have no lives, job or occupations, but have twitter just to talk about how bored they are. It’s surreal to me. What’s your blog site? I’ll shoot an email to you.

  • Heals

    If they’d been mentioned my bad, but c’mon ya’ll we can’t forget Stoupe and Necro. They may not have the full arensal of some other greats listed, but man I’d put there best pieces up there with anything…

  • http://www.bulls.com Enigmatic

    O- my email is rigo . gonzalez @ live . com
    No spaces though

  • logues

    my top 10 no order:
    1. T.R.O.Y.- pete rock & CL smooth
    2. juicy- B.I.G.
    3. it was a good day- ice cube
    4. renee- lost boyz
    5. changes- 2pac
    6. electric relaxation- tribe called quest
    7. put it on- big l
    8. damn it feels good to be gangsta- geto boys
    9. feel me flow- naughty by nature
    10. regulate- warren g/nate dogg

  • http://slamonline.com Allenp

    Man Outcast dropped Stankonia in 2001. Ain’t no way an Outcast album can drop in an era and you still believe there are no classic songs in that era. Lol.
    classic seems to = nostalgia

  • http://slamonline.com Allenp

    Don’t forget “The life and times of andre benjamin” which is a definite classic.

  • michael.c

    my top ten is this in no order –

    stan – eminem
    lose yourself – eminem
    your never over – eminem
    hard knock life – jay z
    halftime – nas
    it was a good day – ice cube
    ghost – 2pac
    juicy – biggie
    lets go – trick daddy(but twista is the reason i listen to that song)
    respect – biggie

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