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Dr. Dre is my dude, but RZA was the overall better producer. An argument I ALWAYS have with my west coast homies…
@O I think they both have different styles so it’s really hard to compare. It really comes down to personal preference.
DJ Premier > Dre and RZA.
It’s 2011 and Premo’s still relevant. Them other two cats, not so much.
As for Dre vs. RZA, that’s a tough one. Man…you could make the argument both were instrumental (literally in some cases) in creating a whole sound for their respective coasts.
Young Snoop looks kinda funny.
My argument is that RZA produced WHOLE albums for Wu Members and the beats were ridiculously dope. Dre didn’t produced whole albums for his artists like Prince Raheem. Given, RZA’s production career didn’t go as far as Dre (people still asking Dre for beats), but his beats weren’t exactly cut for commercial play. They were hard head banging joints. Yes, Dre started the G-funk movement. Incredible period for hip-hop, but RZA I think had a more impressive and creative body of work. And you right Enig, DJ Premier, ’nuff said.
Not sure why my last comment didn’t show but basically I agree with O and Enig. Also check out “Drug Test” (produced by Dre) “Born In the Trap” (produced by Premo) and “Heartbreaker” (produced by RZA) those are dope tracks
Didn’t Dre produce the entire Chronic and Doggystyle alums?
I know Daz and Warren G co-produced some songs on Doggystyle but for the most part it was Dre.
Same with the NWA joints. All Dre and Yella.
Granted, RZA had NO co-producers early on (except for 4th Disciple on one Liquid Swords track and True Master did a track on Ironman), it was all him.
I think RZA was better but for a much shorter period of time.
36 Chambers came out in ’93. Wu Tang Forever came out in ’97. Honeslty, I think after that his production fell off HARD.
You heard his beats on Meth’s Tical 2000 and his own Bobby Digital and it just wasn’t the same.
Dude was experimenting with live instrumentation, and learning to play the keyboards and all this other stuff and it just wasn’t as dope as old RZA.
Nowadays I don’t even get excited anymore when I see a beat credited to RZA.
Same with Havoc, man, and those were 2 of my favorites.
@ Enig, don’t you remember that everyone was saying Dre just mixed down those records he “produced”? Pac said he was mad at Dre cause Dre told him he produced “Mind Made Up” and Daz had to clear that up. But you right about RZA falling off. I think he fell off after Wu Tang Forever. But seriously, “36 Chambers,” “Tical,” “Liquid Swords,” “Cuban Linx,” “Ironman,” “Return to the 36,” “Wu Tang Forever” RZA was going IN in the mid 90′s. And like you said, if it’s produced by RZA, it doesn’t generate the same excitement as it used to. But who does anymore? When it’s produced by Dre I wonder if it’s really Scott Storch, Nottz, Eminmen, D. Porter or whoever else he was paying off to keep quiet and let him take credit. He’s good at orchestrating production and mixing down, but he’s not entirely creating on the boards anymore. And he hasn’t been for quite some time.
“Drug Test” is a DJ Khalil joint. Still a dope track though.
Dre discovered Eminem (a potential GOAT)… but I love Premo, and his work on illmatic.
Yeah, I see what you mean, O.
Kinda makes you wonder what dude does now that his beats are mostly made for him, and his lyrics are always written for him.
@GP23 – Dre didn’t “discover” Eminem. He took a chance on him and signed him, but I already knew who Eminem was before he was on Aftermath.
@matic.. Yes, I meant he gave him his big break, “discovered” was the wrong word to use. But without doubt Dre helped his career. Em always thanks Dre everytime he wins an award. Before he accepts an award he always begins with “I would like to thank Dr Dre”.. Em was a great MC before ’99 with the amazing ‘infinite’ album. But Dre definately helped him out, when everyone else just ignored him (probably because he was white)… how wrong they were.
I’d have to disagree that RZA fell off after the “Forever” album.
In my opinion, “The W” was probably a bit better than “Forever”. From start to finish.
I know I’m in the minority on this one, but RZA’s production on “The W” was a thing of beauty and underrated as HELL.
I would have to say he fell off ALOT on “Iron Flag”, which is by far & away Wu’s worst album.
Dont`t known why, but this song made me think of “breathe” by Fab, prolly cause of quality lyrically substance and flow. Anywho; “breathe” top five ever? got my vote
If Dre hadn’t signed him, someone else would’ve.
I’ve never read anywhere anything about labels declining to sign him or rejecting him the way I’ve read about how 4 or 5 different record labels passed on Nas or wanted nothing to do with him.
Top 5 ever?
Are you serious???
“Breath” is hella nice, w/out a doubt.
Not top 5 tho in my opinion.
co-sign HAMMER, its ill, but no top 5.
yes! I`m sorry, I know this is not a popoular opinion..but I just had a “relevation” reagarding this song, after party..2 weeks ago, 23 out of 25 people was first grindin as hell when this came on, after we had 3 hour debate about Brooklyn rappers
Realistically, is there any songs in this Millennium that even merit a consideration for a top 5, even top 10 spot? Hell, even top 20?
I can’t think of a single one.
Great diss but this song was mad gay SMH at all of the homo references in this track.
DJ Premier – best pure hip hop producer
Dr Dre – Most influential producer
RZA – most cinematic producer
J Dilla – most creative producer
Timbaland – most unique sound
Kanye West – best sampler
9th Wonder – most underrated/underground producer
to each his own…
9th Wonder isn’t underrated anymore.
He was underrated back in like ’03 or ’04.
Now anyone who knows anything about rap music besides the BS tv and radio feeds you know who he is and think he’s dope.
I’d say someone like Exile is more underrated.
@ripslam yeah you’re right my bad it was Khalil
@Enig yeah I agree 9th Wonder isn’t underrated anymore a lot of artist and other producers give dude his props. Honestly I feel Cool&Dre and 1500 or Nothin are the best up and coming producers.
@HAMMER- yeah, The W was on the low dope.
“Hollow Bones”, “Jah World” and “I Can’t Go to Sleep” were my faves on that album.
@hammer “till i collapse” by em might be top 5-10 of all time, beat was insane, em killed it, and RIP to nate dogg, had one of the best hooks ever
“Till I Collapse?”
I wouldn’t even rate that as a top 10 Eminem song of all time!!
lol come on man, that song was siiiick, you could feel his anger through tthat song, he spit on it so hard
There are no songs post-2000 that should be considered a top 20 rap song of all time.
But there has definitely been some BANGERS.
Some of Jay-Z’s joints from Blueprint, some of Sigel’s joints, some of Common’s, the Detroit MCs have been bananas – Em, Royce, Elzhi, I could go on and on, but no one has banged out a top 20 all time joint.
ya i agree, thats just the one song that always got me hype anytime i listened to it, i feel like mid to early 90′s was the golden age of rap
@snasty – The song was good. It’s a great track to pump you up.
But top 5 or 10 ALL TIME???
The beat wasn’t “insane”, it was a simple beat very similar to other Eminem beats.
Em has killed it more lovelier on other tracks.
And that wasn’t even one of the best hooks by Nate Dogg, let alone one of the best hooks ever.
When we’re talking “all-time”, we’re talking songs like Grandmaster Flash and the Furious Five’s “The Message”, Sugarhill Gang’s “Rapper’s Delight”, Run-DMC’s “Sucker MCs”, Rakim’s “Paid in Full”, Nas’ “One Love”, Wu Tang’s “C.R.E.A.M.”, Snoop Dogg’s “Gin & Juice”, Biggie’s “Juicy”, Jay-Z’s “Dead Presidents”, 2Pac’s “Hail Mary”, you feel me?
“Till I Collapse” can’t touch none of those.
M.O.P.’s “Here Today, Gone Tomorrow” is my get hype song. lol
lol i feel you man, and all those song’s you just named off are classic, but i mean thats your top 5 of all time, i feel everyone has there own top 5, and thats why this debate would never end
MOP is to underated, straight grimey, also Bone thugs one of the most underated to, Creepin On A Come Up was one of the best debut CD’s of all time and Eternal front to back was classic
Nah, that wasn’t my top 5, that was just some classics I named off the top of my head. lol
2000 era has NO top 20 songs, period. Biggest song of the 00′s was probably 50′s “In Da Club.” And that song isn’t even a hip-hop classic.
ic, well what would be your top 5 of all time? just curious, personally i dont think i could come up with a list
Man, I’d have to think for a minute about that….
take me about a month
O, you got a list? We’ll say top 10.
Are we talkin’ about top 10 songs or beats???
Like, your own personal top 10 rap songs of all time, not what other critics or what album sales tell you is top 10, your own personal “that’s that sh*t!!!” top 10 list.
Oh, I’d have a lot of fun with a top 10 beats list.
We gon’ do that next…I’ma need to think about that one…
Top 10 hip-hop songs of all-time to me (in no particular order):
Warning – Biggie – Dope story tellin on some G sh*t.
One More Chance Remix – Biggie – Got my first piece of a$$ smokin’ blunts with hash to this.
Mind Playin’ Tricks – Gheto Boyz – GREAT story telling about the game giving n*ccas paranoia.
Nuthin’ But a G Thang – Dr. Dre – DOPE block party song with a G twist.
Know The Ledge – Rakim – The rhymes were just…
World is Yours – Nas – The rhymes were just…
Still I Rise (original) – 2Pac – Street poetry.
Gotcha Open (remix) – Black Moon – “Woke up in the morning, hopped on the train/saw my man, he had an L in his hand/hiding from the beast…” That literally was my mornings everyday for my LAST 4 years of high school (super duper senior here).
You ain’t A Killa – Big Pun – The rhymes were just…
T.R.O.Y – Pete Rock & CL Smooth – The soulful beat and picture that Smooth painted about his life, in-f*ckin-credible.
Alright, I’ma give it a try.
And that list was DOPE, O.
“Stan” and “Lose Yourself” are honestly the only individual Eminem tracks I could consider as top 10 all-time. Em himself is one of the GOATs.
Alright, here’s my ten songs, also in no particular order
1. Nas – “One Love” – Q-Tip and Nas were both ON POINT with the beats and rhymes
2. Blu – “In Remembrance of Me” – newer joint but reminds me of my childhood
3. Big Pun – “Beware” – First time I heard it my jaw dropped. Juju did his thing on this too
4. Biggie – “Everyday Struggle” – Real-life sh*t, DOPE rhymes, DOPE beat
5. Geto Boys – “Mind Playin Tricks on Me” – What O said
6. Jay-Z – “D’Evils” – Just a great song
7. The Roots w/ Common – “Act Too” – Hip-hop, you’re the love of my life!
8. 2Pac – “Hail Mary” – I didn’t smoke much weed growing up, but when I did this had to be playing
9. Nas – “Nas is Like” – gave me chills first time I heard it
10. OC –“Time’s Up” – classic. “Why you lyin for?/I know where you live/I know your folks/you was a sucka as a kid!”
1. Stan – Em
2. Juicy – Big
3. Dear Mama – 2pac
4. I used to love H.E.R – Common
5. Put it on – Big L
6. Halftime – Nas
7. Nothin’ but a G thang – Dre/Snoop
8. C.R.E.A.M – Wu Tang
9. Childrens Story – Slick Rick
10. I ain’t no joke – Rakim
this is off the dome though.. i could of gave it more thought, but all these are dope !
SMH why people stay hating on the 2000′s acting like there was nothing great or no classics to come from this era? Acting like there wasnt a bunch of garbage in the 90′s as well
Cuase there’s no classics to come from this era.
Enig, real DOPE list. When it came to Pun, it was a toss up between Beware, You ain’t a Killa and Dream Shatterer. And Beatnuts are crazy underrated producers. Off The Books beat is one of my top 10, but mostly cause Pun ATE that track. GP3, you got some f*ckin great picks in yours too. Stan, Dear Mama, Children’s Story and CREAM are like hip-hop stables. Or at least they should be to these generations of hip-hoppers. It’s funny cause an “Honorable Mentions” list would be longer than just 10 joints. That’s word.
Dre is a bi sexual pus*y
@ Kevin, cause even the hot garbage of the 90′s is still better than today’s hits.
Co-sign what Enigmatic said.
Im not putting down Millennium rap. No doubt there have been some great songs.
But when one stacks them up against 90′s & 80′s rap, it doesn’t come close.
I mean Jigga’s “Blueprint”, which is a classic, doesn’t have a single top 20 hip-hop song of all-time.
Little Brother, which I absolutely love, honestly u can’t say that they have a top 20 in them either.
Just a couple examples.
heres my list in no order:
warren g – this dj
david banner – cadillac on 22′s
nas – world is yours
nas – street dreams remix
wu tang – can it be so simple
gangstarr – mass appeal
outkast – southernplayalistic
bone thugs – crossroads
jay z – politics as usual
devin the dude – what a job
Here’s my list, no particular order:
“Life’s a b!tch”-Nas
“Let the funk flow”-EPMD
“Punks jump up”-Brand Nu
“Step into a world”-KRS-One
“Come clean”-Jeru the Damaja
“White lines”-Grand Master Flash
dr.dre – still dre
souls of mischief – 93 til infinity
tribe called quest – we got the jazz
AZ – sugar hill
talib kweli & mos def – thieves in the night
@ Enigmatic: Sure, RZA’s peak was for a somewhat short span of time… But don’t you think that applies to Dre as well?
And yes, RZA > Dre. G-Funk itself is very very limited… Sorry to the West Coast rap fans out there–but there was/is so much beyond G-Funk from the West, so you shouldn’t even be offended by that. Nowadays any beat by Dr. Dre is sort of like his “Beats by Dr. Dre” headphones… You know it’s gonna be a moneymaker, but it’s going to be over-hyped and not that great…
i thinks its interesting how we have different joints from wu-tang, nas, and biggie on our lists..just shows their incredible skills.
Teddy – Dre was at his best from about ’88 to ’96. RZA from ’93 to ’97. Like I said, RZA was better, but for a shorter amount of time.
WTF my top ten beats list won’t post, but @golden state- love that you mentioned Devin the Dude.
I wouldn’t say he’s an all-time great, but he is definitely underrated!
Also, after all these discussions on the best producers in hip-hop, cats are still sleeping on Prince Paul!
@ Enigmatic: No disrespect, but I don’t really know what that means. Even if RZA’s peak lasted four years (which I disagree with), his stuff is still so much better than Dre’s, that there never was a period where you could say Dr. Dre > RZA. Unless you count 1988 when RZA probably wasn’t producing. Not even now, when both are past their primes.
Also, I disagree with that because RZA’s production on Masta Killa’s debut was very very good. Not OB4CL good, but still better than Dre post-2000.
Let me try again. Had a nice numbered long list with explanations of why I like each beat and who produced it but whatever…
Nas – “One Love”
Jay-Z – “December 4th (9th Wonder Remix)
M.O.P. – “Here Today, Gone Tomorrow”
Kanye West – “Jesus Walks”
Pete Rock & CL Smooth – “T.R.O.Y.”
Mobb Deep – “Drop a Gem on Em”
Elzhi – “Talking in my Sleep”
Nas – “Nas is Like”
M.O.P. – “Breakin’ the Rules”
Atmosphere – “Little Man”
Juicy – Biggie
Scenario – A Tribe Called Quest
Passin’ Me By – Pharcyde
So Much Pain (Above The Rim sountrack) – Tupac
360 Degree – Grand Puba
Everything’s Going To Be Alright – Naughty By Nature
Players Anthem – Junior Mafia
Bucktown – Smif-N-Wessun
93 till Infinity – Souls of Mischief
Summer Time – Will Smith
Hard Knock Life – Jay-Z
Dead Presidents – Jay-Z
One Love – Nas
Represent – Nas
Can It Be All So Simple – Wu-Tang
Shadow Boxin’ – Gza feat. Method Man
All I Need – Method Man
Seriously, I can keep going…
Teddy, his production being “so much better” than Dre’s is definitely a matter of opinion, I mean, many experts believe The Chronic is the best produced album of all time.
Not sure if I’d go there, but it’s up there.
Okay nvm, I see what you’re saying. But even if Dre was good for a longer period of time, we should look at the albums produced.
Dre: “Straight Outta Compton,” “No One Can Do it Better,” “Efil4zaggin,” The Chronic,” and “Doggystyle.”
RZA: “Enter the Wu-Tang,” “Tical,” “Return to the 36 Chambers,” “Only Built 4 Cuban Linx,” “Liquid Swords,” and “Ironman.”
Not to mention “Supreme Clientele,” which RZA didn’t produce alone but still influenced the overall sound. RZA hasn’t fallen off as much as you think.
Teddy, I’ll admit I haven’t heard Master Killer’s joint. I’ll check that out.
*Masta Killa. LOL was thinking of the old Martial Arts movie for some reason.
Oh, and Dre Day is a tight song, but as a diss record it was nothing compared to Tim Dog’s “F*ck Compton.” No disrespect to Compton or the West Coast, but Tim Dog completely sh!t on Death Row, DJ Quik, Compton’s Most Wanted, etc.
Top 5 diss records of all time. Hands down.
Dope list Enig. Here’s my top 10 beat list:
Mass Appeal – DJ Premier
CREAM – RZA
G Thang – Dr. Dre
Scenario – Tribe
P.S.A – Just Blaze
The Hardest Word – Diz Gibran joint, but i’m not sure who produced it.
Off The Books – Beatnuts
Everyday People – Speech
Who Shot Ya – Nashiem Myrick & Puff
Last Dayz – Fredro Starr
@ Enigmatic: haha yeah that’s where he got his name from, I think. You’ll probably like it, though the rapping isn’t that amazing. The song to check for is called “No Said Date.” Great beat by RZA.
I have to admit that I first heard it a while ago when I had a Wu-Tang obsession, and I liked it back then, but I haven’t heard it for a long time… So maybe it’s not as good as I say it is.
DOPE lists, btw.
Word to Teddy-The-Bear. That’s what i’m always sayin’. Dr. Dre had dope beats and is still an in-demand producer, but look at RZA’s catalog in that short amount of time. Just ridiculous. Sounds, samples, drums – just incredible. I really have to start a hip-hop blog and start these debates everyday. LOL. This is just block talk to me and my peeps. We stay arguing about producers, rappers, albums, etc. I have a dope album vs album argument we stay having on the block. I’ll save it for next week sometime…
Don’t forget Marley Marl, he was dope for real..
Speaking of producers, I LOVED Jigga’s original idea for the Blackout album. 12 songs, 12 producers. He had a DOPE list of producers, but then stuck to Blaze, Kanye and Neptunes for the most part. Disappointing…
Um top ten in order my shaped by moments in my life Note i come from NZ so my perspective will most likely be different. Oh and this list could just go on.
1. Skills – Gangstar
2. Shook Ones II – Mobb Deep
3. Electric Relaxation – Tribe Called Quest
4 Juicy – Biggie
5. Cold World – GZA
6. Sweet Dreams – Nas
7. It was a good Day – Ice Cube
8. Aint no fun – Snoop
9. I aint mad at ya – 2pac
10 Steel Magnolia – Cypress Hill
Lets not get into honorable mentions. Could be here all day
WTF, nothing worse than when your comments aren’t showing up during a dope convo…
@ blakos: Co-sign on that “Shook Ones II” and “Cold World” by GZA… Dope dope dope!
O, how many Eminem sta…er, I mean fans you think seen our lists and said “WTF is ‘Time’s up’ and ‘Last Dayz”, then go home to watch 8 Mile talking about “I love these beats!”
damn too hard to do a top ten but fook it:
land of the heartless-bone thugs
used to love her-common
yall don’t really hear me tho -fabolous
no hook- jay z
my way home- common
hurt me soul- lupe fiasco
the message- nas
everyday struggles- notorious big
spm diaries- spm
you never know- immortal technique
murder to excellence- jay and kanye
paperchase- do or die
magic- psychodrama i know that’s more than ten but i got a CPS edumacation so i dont give a f*ck
wtf where my comments at bruh
@blakos and everyone else – I just feel the need to throw this out there…does anyone have any idea why non-American rap fans know their sh*t more than like 70% of US rap fans?
Think about it.
Cats like Mos Def or Common will get slept on state-side, then go to Europe or Asia and get MAD love.
When I lived in Japan, I used to cop the Japanese rappers’ albums.
Could only understand like one out of every 5 words, but the beats were ON POINT.
Thanks to the internet, we can talk to people all over the world, and it seems like Europeans and Asians really know their hip-hop.
Not just rap, but they’re down with the culture – the beatboxing, the b-boying, the DJing, the graffiti.
Anyone know why?
LMAO @ cheecagomayne.
Yo, the Do or Die and the Psychodrama joints are DOPE.
Personally, my favorite Do or Die track is “Playa Like me and You”. Sh*t was smooth as hell.
Man, I could go on about Chicago rappers for a while.
Twista, Do or Die, Crucial Conflict, Psychodrama, Triple Darkness, Molemen, Common, Kanye, Kidz in the Hall, etc.
@O – yo, if you ever wanna write a blog together, or want me to contribute, I’m down. Just throwing it out there.
My own blog I created to talk about basketball has somehow been me going on about rap lately anyways.
idk man, but i think chicago rappers got some of the best cruising music.
what part of chicago u from?
I just love that fact that Nas is listed on most everybodies list in. But I agree with Kevin, the 2000s wasn’t the crap era for music yall make it out to be. Eminems The Way I Am or Nas’ One Mic could make a case for the list IMO. But it all comes down to taste and what YOUR personal definition of a good track is.
Never lived in Chicago proper.
Grew up in Elgin/Carpentersville. NW Suburbs.
omg how could i forget about hay by crucial conflict. love that beat i think the lyrics were subpar tho
no particular order
Nas New York State of Mind
Jay-Z Im Feeling It
2pac Life Goes On
Bone Thugs No Surrender
Bone Thugs Thuggish Ruggish Bone
Tribe Can I Kick It
Nas Aint Hard To Tell
Wu Tang Proteck Ya Neck
This My top ten, Im not saying these are the ten best rap songs ever, just mine
Cheecagomayne, you ever heard Crucial’s “Good Side Bad Side”?
The song, not the album.
It was unreleased but had a DOPE western movie sample.
Them cats went off on that track. See if you can find it.
fosho, when i was a shorty(still kind am; 17) i lived in lil village for a minute then moved out to the west sububrbs, cicero to be exact.
never heard of it but will look it up when i get back home
I used to love going to Little Village as a youngin’. Especially being Mexican-American, it’s like Little Mexico, lol.
Aint been there in forever though.
i would just like to say that i thoroughly enjoyed these conversations within knowledgeable hip hop fans.
putting out a top 10 production list would take too long..i would be putting songs in and out forever
putting out a top list of production songs would take too long..i would be putting songs on and off the list for days
Damn, this the most comments I seen on a Layup Lines post.
Unless you count the ones called “Just Cuz”.
Gotta love the unpredictability of the Layup Lines comment section. O starts it off with the production question and the rest is history. This could’ve easily been an E vs W mess, but instead went a much higher route…
@Teddy Shook Ones has a special place for me. We used to play the instrumental on our mates decks and do drunken freestyles. Great times.Oh and favs from GZA would be endless despite the fact that he was incoherent when he came to play at Auckland this year.
@Enigmatic: Maybe one reason International fans may have a greater appreciation of US Hip Hop is that they have no bias towards east/west/south etc. All i know is that if it has a nice beat, solid flows etc i like it. Doesn’t matter if its from Compton or or flippin Alabama, you know what i mean. Thats just a theory though as the cats on here seem to have a good grasp on the genre.Its funny how everyone has their favs, most of the time influenced by where and when they grew up. I heard most of my favs from my brothers and mates, there is a lot i wouldn’t have even listened to. I have a mate who is a religious Tupac fan and then another who has every Atmosphere album out.
Matic major props for the Exile mention, the guy is just a good musician. Interesting question about American v Foreign music listeners. I dunno off the top of my head: Americans may have more social outlets overall, Americans more likely to be “fed” music/Foreigners “seek out” their tastes, Cultural emphasis – Americans don’t know world news/Foreigners know facts about USA, Trends – Americans always chase em’/Foreigners find an identity, Education – Foreigners often smarter than Americans so more interest in “deeper” music, Mental focus – Americans have tendency to view life/issues somewhat narrowly, whereas Foreigners more about bigger picture/whole meal, Media coverage – American pop-culture over-the-top, in-your-face on all outlets so whack artists get more publicity, Mentality – Americans (on the avg) just don’t seem to be down with cause (whatever it may be) like foreigners do. Don’t mean anything by “foreigners,” just trying to be somewhat succinct and of course there are some exceptions (and stereotypes) to every example I gave…
Interesting points heals. On a general level and from what i perceive from others (being family friends, media outlets) i would agree with you. However the Americans i have met have been tourists in NZ and all of them were reasonably worldly. Of cause that is a extremely small sample size. Oh and to add to my post above, lyrics matter too……………
@ Enig, i’d definitely build with you on a blog, pana. It’s all good. On a sidenote: I know it’s hella late, but I’d like to add Verbal Intercourse to my top 11 hip-hop list and beat list. That joint was simple remarkable. And as far as heads overseas loving hip-hop, I have no clue. They just love not only American culture, but hip-hop culture as well. Look at Bapes. They just Air Force 1′s and lately, shell toes with stars on the side. I used to love rocking ‘em when NO ONE knew what the hell they were. Now everyone knows and there’s bootlegs galore of them. Hip-hop is universal man. The Bronx, NY reached the whole f*cking world with it’s poverty inspired music.
Not to toot my own horn, but you guys would probably enjoy the TROY blog. I haven’t done anything for the blog in about half a year, but they’re still putting out quality posts, from opinion pieces to interviews to downloadable music. They’re definitely worthy of the traffic. You can find a lot of rarities and demos and ish like that too. Try searching for some of the older posts especially, they have so many gems.
Also, an Enigmatic/Omar hip-hop blog would be awesome. Make it happen, Rigo!
I’ll check out that blog too.
O, you got a twitter or way to get a hold of you?
How can y’all bring up great producers and not say anything about Madlib?? He’s a better sampler than Kanye in my opinion. And I’d personally put “Black Milk” as most underrated producer, unless we’re talking about undergroud artists. Here’s my Top 10(no particular order)
The World in Yours-Nas
T.R.O.Y.- Pete Rock & C.L. Smooth
Mind Playin’ Tricks on Me-Geto Boys
Everyday Struggle-Biggie Smalls
Keep Ya Head Up-2Pac
Today Was A Good Day-Ice Cube
All I Need-Method Man
The 6th Sense-Common
Get By-Talib Kweli
The Coolest-Lupe Fiasco
Hurt Me Soul-Lupe Fiasco
Know the Ledge-Eric B.& Rakim
Follow the Leader- Eric B. & Rakim
Jesus Walks-Kanye West
It Ain’t Hard to Tell-Nas
My Advice 2 You-Gang Starr
Tryin’ to Find a Balance-Atmosphere
So Many Tears-2Pac
@ Enig, I don’t twitter, man. Always felt like Twitter was meant for heads who have a product to push or something like that. I have homies who have no lives, job or occupations, but have twitter just to talk about how bored they are. It’s surreal to me. What’s your blog site? I’ll shoot an email to you.
If they’d been mentioned my bad, but c’mon ya’ll we can’t forget Stoupe and Necro. They may not have the full arensal of some other greats listed, but man I’d put there best pieces up there with anything…
O- my email is rigo . gonzalez @ live . com
No spaces though
my top 10 no order:
1. T.R.O.Y.- pete rock & CL smooth
2. juicy- B.I.G.
3. it was a good day- ice cube
4. renee- lost boyz
5. changes- 2pac
6. electric relaxation- tribe called quest
7. put it on- big l
8. damn it feels good to be gangsta- geto boys
9. feel me flow- naughty by nature
10. regulate- warren g/nate dogg
Man Outcast dropped Stankonia in 2001. Ain’t no way an Outcast album can drop in an era and you still believe there are no classic songs in that era. Lol.
classic seems to = nostalgia
Don’t forget “The life and times of andre benjamin” which is a definite classic.
my top ten is this in no order –
stan – eminem
lose yourself – eminem
your never over – eminem
hard knock life – jay z
halftime – nas
it was a good day – ice cube
ghost – 2pac
juicy – biggie
lets go – trick daddy(but twista is the reason i listen to that song)
respect – biggie
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