Friday, July 17th, 2009 at 2:48 pm  |  130 responses

Links: I Got 50!

Plus, astronauts and grilled cheese…

by Lang Whitaker

Fri-Day! Yes!

And the good news? Summer League is almost over! Hey, did you hear that Anthony Morrow scored 47 points last night in a Summer League game? That’s great. He also scored 37 points last season in an actual NBA game. That, I care about. But 47 in a Summer League game? Eh. And yet, because we are all so NBA deprived right now, for many people, Summer League morphs into something greater than it actually is. I tuned out when they retired Nate Robinson’s jersey.

So, here’s a couple of non-basketball related links, and then we end it with some NBA talk…

• Ebony magazine really screwed this one up. I don’t think anyone looked like this in the year 2000, but definitely not Michael Jackson.

• The Boston Globe has a ton of very cool pictures from Apollo 11. I think I’m turning into a space geek.

• Also from NASA, here’s a great picture of a volcano erupting.

• Jay-Z vs. The Game and lessons for the American primacy debate.

• Some Starbucks stores are changing their names. I love Starbucks, but when you have to change your name to get people to come into your stores, maybe the name isn’t the problem.

Cool…but nope, still not going to drink the Red Bull Cola.

• Here is the proper way to make a grilled cheese sandwich. Don’t say we never taught you anything.

• Finally, a couple of days ago, the guys from Basket, which is definitely one of my two favorite basketball magazines from Germany, hit me with an email. They were assembling a panel of international experts to rank the top 10 NBA players for each position (PG, SG, SF, PF, C = 50 players) for their next issue. By German rules, I qualified as an NBA expert, so they sent along a list of the top few dozen at each position, asked me to rank them, and added a few caveats:

- Don’t mix up the positions, please use their list and positions.
– No rookies.
– It’s not about value for money.
– It doesn’t matter if the player was good two years ago or if he has potential – it’s about today.

So…here’s how I ranked the top ten NBA players at each position. Surely there won’t be anyone out there who disagrees with me, right? Apologies go to whoever it pleases. Here’s my Top 50…

1. Chris Paul (New Orleans Hornets)
2. Tony Parker (San Antonio Spurs)
3. Deron Williams (Utah Jazz)
4. Jameer Nelson (Orlando Magic)
5. Derrick Rose (Chicago Bulls)
6. Rajon Rondo (Boston Celtics)
7. Chauncey Billups (Denver Nuggets)
8. Steve Nash (Phoenix Suns)
9. Jason Kidd (Dallas Mavericks)
10. Andre Miller (Philadelphia 76ers)

EXPLANATION: I wasn’t sure what to do with Gilbert Arenas. When he’s healthy, he’s probably top half of that list, but since this list is for today, and we have no idea how Gilbert’s knee is right now, I left him off. Mo Williams also almost cracked my list, but I put this together thinking if I were starting a franchise today and needed a point guard, these are the guys I’d go after first. Mo would probably be number 11 on my list. Or 12, because Devin Harris was also just left off. I know people will probably quibble with Andre Miller making my list, but I’ve always appreciated his game — never the most athletic guy, but he’s really solid and, in the right system, he understands how to run a team. Same with Baron Davis, who I couldn’t find room for, either.

1. Kobe Bryant (Los Angeles Lakers)
2. Dwyane Wade (Miami Heat)
3. Brandon Roy (Portland Trail Blazers)
4. Joe Johnson (Atlanta Hawks)
5. Vince Carter (Orlando Magic)
6. Michael Redd (Milwaukee Bucks)
7. Ray Allen (Boston Celtics)
8. Jason Terry (Dallas Mavericks)
9. Ben Gordon (Detroit Pistons)
10. Allen Iverson (Detroit Pistons)

EXPLANATION: Calm down, Sacramento fans. Kevin Martin scores a lot of points, but he doesn’t play defense. At all. Also, he’s missed 52 games the last two seasons, and if I’m building my team around someone, it’s not going to be him. GINOBILI! would have made the list, but with his recent injuries I felt safer leaving him off this time. Same with T-Mac. Iverson? He averaged 17 and 5 last year for Detroit, and when the Pistons let him do his thing, they were still a tough team to beat.

1. LeBron James (Cleveland Cavaliers)
2. Carmelo Anthony (Denver Nuggets)
3. Kevin Durant (Oklahoma City Thunder)
4. Paul Pierce (Boston Celtics)
5. Ron Artest (L.A. Lakers)
6. Danny Granger (Indiana Pacers)
7. Hedo Turkoglu (Toronto Raptors)
8. Shawn Marion (Miami Heat)
9. Josh Howard (Dallas Mavericks)
10. Richard Jefferson (San Antonio Spurs)

EXPLANATION: I thought this was the toughest category, by far. At different points I had both Andre Iguodala and Caron Butler on this list, but ended up dropping them. There’s also a lot of younger guys on the come-up (Al Thornton, Luol Deng, Rudy Gay, Trevor Ariza) who could crack this list a year from now.

1. Tim Duncan (San Antonio Spurs)
2. Pau Gasol (Los Angeles Lakers)
3. Dirk Nowitzki (Dallas Mavericks)
4. Kevin Garnett (Boston Celtics)
5. Chris Bosh (Toronto Raptors)
6. Amare Stoudemire (Phoenix Suns)
7. Carlos Boozer (Utah Jazz)
8. David West (New Orleans Hornets)
9. Rashard Lewis (Orlando Magic)
10. Josh Smith (Atlanta Hawks)

EXPLANATION: There may be some quibbling with some of these guys being listed as power forwards, but I didn’t come up with the list. That said, I found it interesting that Boozer was my generously-rated seventh-best power forward in the NBA and he’s still on target to get a $14 million-a-year deal next season. And so many teams are talking about Bosh as a max guy…really? I left off Elton Brand because of his injuries. I left off Charlie Villanueva because he’s not one of the ten best power forwards in the NBA, although someone probably should have explained that to Joe Dumars a while ago. The ten spot came down to Josh Smith and Kenyon Martin, but I went with Smoove because he’s younger and sturdier.

1. Dwight Howard (Orlando Magic)
2. Shaquille O’Neal (Cleveland Cavaliers)
3. Andrew Bynum (Los Angeles Lakers)
4. Al Horford (Atlanta Hawks)
5. Al Jefferson (Minnesota Timberwolves)
6. Mehmet Okur (Utah Jazz)
7. Nene (Denver Nuggets)
8. Brad Miller (Chicago Bulls)
9. Marcus Camby (Los Angeles Clippers)
10. Tyson Chandler (New Orleans Hornets)

I let off Yao because his foot exploded, otherwise he was my definite number 2 on this list. At the same time, I broke my own rule about the injuries to include Al Jefferson on this list, because the top ten centers were really looking weak and I was afraid I’d have to include Jermaine O’Neal or Chris Kaman or Emeka Okafor. And we can’t be having that.

That’s it. Have a great weekend everyone and catch you all back here next week.

(Go Braves!)

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  • http://allthatjazzbasketball.blogspot.com/ AllThatJazz/Amar

    I fail to see Bynum (in his current incarnation) as a Top 5 center in the L right now. I’m not trying to be a dick, but asides getting injured every year (including high school) he hasn’t really made headlines. If he was on any other team he’d get more touched, but vastly less media regard. I’d take Nene or Memo over him because they are men and they do their jobs. (Nene bangs and plays inside, Memo’s 17/8 isn’t anything bynum is getting right now either, plus memo shot 40+% from three last year and makes his FTs / his a clutch performer)

  • http://nun.com Marion’s ghost

    Not sure if the german mag will catch this but Shawn Marion doesn’t play for the Heat anymore (thankfully)

  • myles brown

    Lamar Odom > Josh Smith.

  • http://shawn-kemps-offspring.blogspot.com Cheryl

    Man, that looks like a goooood grilled cheese. Makes me wanna go make one now!

  • http://shawn-kemps-offspring.blogspot.com Cheryl

    Well, okay, so basketball really wasn’t an emphasis for me right now…

  • Steve

    Mike Bibby???

  • Steve

    Josh Smith> Lamar “Dissapreaing Act/ I want more $$$ than i’m worth” Odum

  • http://www.bbaxn.com Darksaber

    oh my, Lang. Get ready for an avalanche of comments on this post. You saw what happened yesterday on the Odom to Miami post. 280 comments cause we got into Wade-Bron comparisons. And BASKET used to be the only other baller Mag i bought when i lived in Europe. But a few years ago they totally ripped off Slam. I mean layouts (yep, they have their version of Noyz for example) and even took your stories and translated them. Then they had one of you slammers play the columnist role (can’t remember, Russ i think) thats when i stopped buying.

  • http://www.galatasaray.org madamerica

    Jameer Nelson is too high. No way he’s better than Billups. Jameer just had half a good season, he hasn’t proven anything. I’d take Rose and Billups over him any day.

  • larrylegend

    ha ha, time for discussion. BASKET, mhn, they copied SLAM’s article in the past…hope you guys get money for that.

  • http://www.bbaxn.com Darksaber

    as for the lists, i’ll take a stab at it later. It’s 3am here and i just got home. Be interesting to see what the list experts here *ahem, Juks* have commented when i get up tomorrow. Night.

  • http://slamonline.com Lang Whitaker

    Amar, I hear you, but you’re underrating Bynum a bit. Bynum/Nene/Memo have all missed time the last few years. I go with Bynum because of his youth.

  • http://slamonline.com Ben Osborne

    I like the subtle quoting of Chuck D. Don’t like Jameer Nelson’s ranking.

  • larrylegend

    damn, dark, i was too slow :) . i am with you on the copying thing, and they copied bad. never touched another bball mag besides SLAM after that.

  • jdn41

    Definate hawks bias on the list cmon now Al Horford 4th best center in the league…

  • http://www.bbaxn.com Darksaber

    oh, last thought for now: Dallas has 4 of the best players at their respective positions on their roster. Ftw? They better figure their mess out soon.

  • http://www.bbaxn.com Darksaber

    you bet, larry. It was toooo obvious. So gotta catch some Z’s now (not of the Iglauskas kind.)

  • JD

    Jameer Nelson is ranked far too high. And how can you completely forget about Kendrick Perkins? He nearly played Dwight Howard evenly throughout the entire Boston-Orlando series. He’s better than Brad Miller, Al Horford and he’s certainly as good as Andrew Bynum, who is easily the most overrated player in the league.

  • Heims

    Lang, I know you didn’t come up with the list of who plays which position, but can you explain to me why Duncan and Gasol are PFs? I never felt really satisfied with calling either a PF, but at least it was defensible 10 years ago when Duncan was playing next to Dave Rob. That was the NBA game 10 years ago – post dominant. Different story now, tho.

    7 footers, solid build (not rail-skinny), does most of their damage in the paint, defends the rim . . . what is the difference between a PF and a C? I understand why Rashard Lewis isn’t a C, but TD and Gasol? If they’re PFs then why isn’t Jefferson, Howard, or Okur (for example)?

    Especially when Duncan’s playing next to Matt Bonner!

  • Tyrone Shoelaces

    Caron Butler > Shawn Marion x2.

  • Marcnificent

    Will people please stop making Duncan out to be a Power Foward…He is not, and will always be a Center…He has fooled most of you all for years. This has to be debated at some point…It comes up every year with the allstar selection, where to put Duncan, and also it will come up with what position he will be inducted to the Hall of Fame as.

  • http://slamonline.com Lang Whitaker

    @Heims: Gasol starts at PF, right? So technically I guess he’s a PF. Same for Duncan. And I really don’t see either guy as a center in the classical sense of the position.

  • Dirtybird

    I don’t see why Duncan wouldn’t be a C full time in 09-10, or in previous seasons.

  • http://slamonline.com Brad Long

    The only part I really have a problem with is the PG list. Jameer is way high and I’d put Deron in front of Tony Parker. I also don’t think Rondo would be on the list if he played for pretty much any other team besides the Celtics. I’d take Devin Harris over him and Jameer in a heartbeat.

  • http://slamonline.com Brad Long

    Wait I missed something. You have Shawn Marion at #8 small forward. Shawn Marion is a Decepticon. Your whole list fails because of this.

  • jdote

    duncan bein a power forward is cool i guess, but Pau ahead of Dirk?

  • Heims

    @ Lang – That’s kind of what I’m wondering, what is the classical sense of either position? Especially now when Lamar Odom and Rashard Lewis log major minutes at PF?

  • http://www.slamonline.com wayno

    For PG’s, switch Billups and Nelson around and Deron and Parker around and I agree with it. for PF/C I don’t see how Rasheed Wallace doesn’t make either of those lists. Sheed’s numbers have dropped, but his defense and big play ability should keep him on the list. Also, Jefferson, Okur, and Nene should all be above both Al Horford and Andrew Bynum.

  • http://www.slamonline.com wayno

    Also, I’d take Richard Hamilton over Allen Iverson at this point any day of the week. AI is done being a top tier SG.

  • http://www.slamonline.com wayno

    Also, Michael Redd was on the list despite being injured the majority of last season…ok, I’m done now.

  • Jer Boi


  • Diesel

    Let me get this straight… I want to use a non-stick pan so my chesses doesn’t stick?

  • Diesel

    That mess of letters is supposed to spell cheese

  • http://allthatjazzbasketball.blogspot.com/ AllThatJazz/Amar

    now i’m going to check the stats right now, but nene/memo have averaged double doubles in the playoffs. (memo only played in 2 games in the playoffs this year, both while injured, so his recent playoff stats aren’t so hot — but he still managed to get 5 rpg, more than bynum did)

    bynum is young, but dude, when shaq was his age he was killing it with 20/10. age isn’t an excuse for poor production now.

  • http://slamonline.com Brad Long

    List of Small Forward’s I’d rather have on my team right now besides Shawn Marion who aren’t on the list:Rudy Gay, Paul Pierce, Lamar Odom, Jeff Green, and Trevor Ariza.

  • http://lastknickstanding.blogspot.com Bryan

    I don’t like nash’s ranking but whatever what I LOVE is Kevin Durants ranking!

  • call me li

    i will never fail at grill cheese again. and nas is much better than jigga for “tryna kick knowledge”.
    dre miller deserves that spot after last season and hopefully jrue turns into just as steady a player..potentially better (more skilled) obviously but we’ll take it slow

  • Oli

    @Marion’s ghost: since the matrix is on the same squad with the only german in the league, i bet they’ve figured it out by now.

    @JerBoi: Lang went with youth this time. He didn’t do this when he was asked which woman he’d like to be together (for all of you who can’t remember: he picked eva mendes)

  • http://deleted hillbilly

    I’ll trade you my t-shirt for a grilled cheese!

  • http://www.anwilson.blogspot.com rainman10

    Pierce is number 4 on that list B-Long. I like the list, was Monta on an original list, and was he a PG or a shooting guard? To me he is up there with Gordon and Terry, minus clutch play.

  • http://lastknickstanding.blogspot.com Bryan

    Marion isn’t top ten anything.

  • http://lastknickstanding.blogspot.com Bryan

    Oo I take it back : marion is the number one malcontent in the league.I rank him even above stephon marbury.

  • max

    Imo the NOW part was kind of forgotten when ranking the PFs, because i would ,right now, rather build a team around Dirk than any other pf in the game. Duncans getting old (at least thats what it looked like to me last season) and more injury prone, and i think that pau and dirk rank even in most parts of the game, but dirk has the 3 and other teams have to really adjust when playing dirk. And then theres that All-NBA first team…

  • http://www.realcavsfans.com Anton

    Shaq > Dwight


    did they pay russ in…RAMSTEIN??

  • jdote

    i actually don’t mind ai being in the top ten, since a lot of the list seems 2005ish. The Matrix being a top ten sf and Kidd being a top ten point has to be more about careers than right now. Im not sure D Rose is better than Billups or even Rondo. I luv the kid but his defense is suspect.

  • Jordan

    After this season Danny will be up to at least 4 on the SF list.

  • http://slamonline.com Brad Long

    I saw Paul and tried to delete it last min. dammnit.

  • http://slamonline.com Brad Long

    I saw Paul and tried to delete it last min. dammnit.

  • http://fashionsensei.files.wordpress.com/2008/02/jackie-moon.jpg Jackie Moon

    @Lang Thanks for the Grilled Cheese Sandwich Video! mmmmm cheeese.

  • JermareoDavidson

    I cant see how RJ is even in the top ten. Come on my man Gerald Wallace needs sum love

  • http://slamonline.com Tzvi Twersky

    When Jameer was in college, I was playing ball about two miles away myself. I always loved and emulated his game. Truth is, if I were allowed to have a favorite current player, it would be him (or PP34). Still, though, I think his lack of height and finishing ability, both things he worked around in college, deem him below par on D and around the rim. I have him 7th, skills-wise, on the PG list. But in Lang’s spot, or higher, for his heart.

  • http://lastknickstanding.blogspot.com Bryan

    I think nash only realistically belongs higher than rose and nelson. Seriously if you’re building for the future rose is the obvious choice but if I needed a guy to run my team this second I’ll take nash’s 16 and 9 over rose’s 16 and 6 any day.

  • http://lastknickstanding.blogspot.com Bryan

    And I’m betting in the near future Kevin Durant overtakes melo and moves into the top 5 player in the league discussion.

  • JL

    Do your own list! I like mine better

    Chris Paul
    Deron Williams
    Steve Nash
    Tony Parker
    Chauncey Billups
    Devin Harris
    Rajon Rondo
    Derrick Rose
    Jason Kidd
    Jose Calderon

    Kobe Bryant
    Dwyane Wade
    Brandon Roy
    Vince Carter
    Ray Allen
    Joe Johnson
    OJ Mayo
    Kevin Martin
    Ben Gordon
    Eric Gordon

    Lebron James
    Carmelo Anthony
    Kevin Durant
    Danny Granger
    Paul Pierce
    Caron Butler
    Rashard Lewis
    Ron Artest
    Shawn Marion
    Rudy Gay
    Gerald Wallace

    Kevin Garnett
    Dirk Nowitzki
    Pau Gasol
    Tim Duncan
    Chris Bosh
    Amare Stoudemire
    David West
    Elton Brand
    Carlos Boozer
    Josh Smith

    Dwight Howard
    Al Jefferson
    Shaquille Oneal
    Andris Biedrins
    Marcus Camby
    Al horford
    Mehmet Okur
    Emeka Okafor
    Andrew Bynum

  • JustPuked

    How did you leave Andris Biedrins off your top 10 Center list? At worst he’s better than Brad Miller, Marcus Camby, and Tyson Chandler.

  • Ed

    Man has any position list looked as weak in any period of time as the center position does today especially without Yao?

    It is like Heavyweight Division in Boxing. You got a couple of Klitschkos at the top and then everyone else.

    Also, I love Red Bull Cola. I’m not sure if it qualifies as an energy drink like a Monster, Regular Red Bull, or Rockstar but if so, it is the only one I drink.

  • http://www.alllooksame.com Tarzan Cooper

    caron butler is def. top 10 sf, lang, you really messed up this one. baron, gil, yao, etc i can understand, but butler HAS to be on there

  • http://www.alllooksame.com Tarzan Cooper

    and andris biedrins is better than chandler, maybe camby and brad too.

  • http://www.alllooksame.com Tarzan Cooper

    Lang Whitaker Posted: Jul.17 at 3:13 pm
    Amar, I hear you, but you’re underrating Bynum a bit. Bynum/Nene/Memo have all missed time the last few years. I go with Bynum because of his youth

    lang, didnt you say its sposed to be ranked as they are right now? not what they were or will be? so your reason for bynum being that high violates the guidelines. bynum is center no. 8 or 9

  • http://www.anwilson.blogspot.com rainman10

    Am I allowed to say that Jamison should be on the PF list and Boozer or West be left off?

  • http://www.anwilson.blogspot.com rainman10

    And where is Iggy on any of these lists!?!?

  • http://twitter.com/NotebookNick thesubwayconnection

    I really agree with Tarzan about Caron. He’s better than Marion, no question. Shawn doesn’t even have a jump shot.

  • http://www.anwilson.blogspot.com rainman10

    ok I see your mention of Iggy, Lang…my b. I was lookin for him at SG ya the SF was tough.

  • http://www.hibachi20.blogspot.com Hursty

    Lang, where would Bogut end up on that list?

  • NBA kid

    JL: if you have Tim Duncan as not the best pf in the league (or top 3) something’s wrong. If you have Jose calderon above jameer nelson, something’s wrong. If you have Danny granger ahead of Paul pierce, something’s wrong.

  • http://sjsu.edu davidR

    lang, how’re you gonna address the non-existant kings fans about kevin, when monta is the real dominant sg of the bay? the moped incident really set him back, but that injury paragraph really should’ve been for monta, not kevin. he was never injury prone before the moped thing, and he won the MIP award. plus, he came back still averaging 19pts+ on 45% shooting. not bad for coming back rusty.

  • http://sjsu.edu davidR

    and lang, you’re telling me that if your team needed a sf right NOW, you would take shawn marion over caron, or rudy, or ariza, or iguodala?

  • http://sjsu.edu davidR

    and there’s no way you can rank the extremely durable, cp3 dependent tyson chandler over andris biedrins. biedrins is a one man rebound gang for the warriors, plays great d, has shown flashes of being able to dribble the ball to the rim for a dunk, works great with the pick and roll, and is extremely high% when within 5 feet of the basket. tyson, IF healthy, catches a bunch of cp3 orchestrated alley-oops, gets rebounds, and swats shots. that’s all

  • http://slamonline.com Negetivekreep

    Devin Harris???

  • http://slamonline.com Negetivekreep

    1. Chris Paul (New Orleans Hornets)
    2. Deron Williams (Utah Jazz)
    3. Tony Parker (San Antonio Spurs)
    4. Chauncey Billups (Denver Nuggets)
    5. Derrick Rose (Chicago Bulls)
    6. Steve Nash (Phoenix Suns) 7. Jameer Nelson (Orlando Magic)
    8. Rajon Rondo (Boston Celtics)
    9. Devin Harris (New Jersey nets)
    10.Jason Kidd (Dallas Mavericks)

    1. LeBron James (Cleveland Cavaliers)
    2. Carmelo Anthony (Denver Nuggets)
    3. Kevin Durant (Oklahoma City Thunder)
    4. Paul Pierce (Boston Celtics)
    5. Ron Artest (L.A. Lakers)
    6. Andre Iguodala (Illadelphia 76′ers)
    7. Danny Granger (Indiana Pacers)
    8. Caron Butler (Washington Wizards)
    9. Hedo Turkoglu (Toronto Raptors)
    10.Josh Howard (Dallas Mavericks)

    These were the only 2 catagories i had a prob with.

  • http://slamonline.com Negetivekreep

    Thats kinda how i feel about Jameer on my list.

  • WTF

    jameer nelson 3? RJ>iguodala/butler WETF


  • http://www.broy7.com nate the great

    chris paul
    nate rob
    brandon roy
    eric gordon
    courtney lee
    jamal crawford/eddie house
    anthony randolph
    gereld wallace
    danny granger
    josh smith
    michael b easy
    vintige kmart aka new jersey
    haha and ryan hollins

  • t2c.wah

    TP #2 on your PG list, Lang!?!
    Wow! As a French citizen I like that… but do you take into account Tony’s wifey?
    ’cause even for me he’s a lil’ too high on this list as he’s not a pure assist PG…
    I hope he will prove me wrong later this summer with the French national team which is close to disapear if they miss the qualification for Euro…

  • http://www.another48minutes.blogspot.com Gerard Himself

    I think I would’ve put Devin Harris’ in Miller’s spot, and Caron Butler instead of Shawn Marion.
    I really like your point guard list, and that you ranked Vince Carter quite high, I can only agree with that.

  • http://www.another48minutes.blogspot.com Gerard Himself

    oh, and that NASA link is just great, wow.

  • http://www.another48minutes.blogspot.com Gerard Himself

    “nate the great”: your list of power forwards: you think that they are all better than Duncan, Pau, Dirk and KG? Forget it, now that I look at your list again, it’s a joke.

  • http://www.slamonline.com wayno

    nate the great put together the most rediculous list I have ever seen…Nate Rodinson is now the third best PG in the league…wow…I’m suprised you didn’t put Carlos Delfino on that list…

  • http://slamonline.com Lang Whitaker

    Love all the interaction, people. Thanks!

  • tom

    on top of my list is that cheese sandwich.

  • Teddy-the-Bear

    Nate, your list is a freakin joke. Co-sign Gerard. Horford one of the best centers? Over Yao? LMFAO what an idiot.

  • Teddy-the-Bear

    Oh and for Lang’s list. Overall I like it, but for point guards, Ben Gordon over Allen Iverson? Never. Ever.

  • http://www.slamonline.com wayno

    C’mon Teddy, BG is better than AI is right now. Did you watch the playoffs? BG played outta his mind. AI is dunzo as a major piece of a contender. He’ll be an above average role player for a contender or a below average star for a bad team for the rest of his career. A couple years ago, AI is ahead of BG no questions asked, but now, BG deffinitely has the advantage.

  • http://Egotastic.com Michael

    Shawn Marion makes the SF list but LO doesn’t. Lamar beasted Marion two years in a row in the playoffs. And theres no way in hell Jameer Nelson is the b4th best pg in the league. He’s played a half of a good season.

  • ISH

    I think I speak for all of InsideHoops when I say that this list is a horror to mankind. Whoever created this, must be found and obliterated off the surface of this planet if we hope to ever have decent basketball conversation ever again.

    Thank you.

  • Kadavour

    the comments section of that rap/IR post was a damn good read.

  • http://www.slamonline.com Alex

    Odom and Igoudala both missing on SF list, which is probably the worst list of the 5. Odom is the only player in the L who could play 1,2,3,4. Maybe even 5 though most C’s would dominate him for any lengthy period. Iguodala would just make my list at #10 for his dunking, ability to be clutch in any game, he’s pretty much been 20p/6r/6a/2s for last couple of seasons. He hits all the catergories, which is what a SF should do.

    Bynum as a top 10 center is dubious but arguable. But hell no to being top 5, or even top 3. What the f has he ever done to deserve such an accolade?

    And Pau is not better than KG or Bosh or Amare. The spaniard has very little D for such a big guy

  • Josh D

    PG SG
    1 Chris Pual 1 Kobe Bryant
    2 Deron Williams 2 Dwayne Wade
    3 Tony Parker 3 Brandon Roy
    4 Chuancey Billups 4 Joe Johnson
    5 Jameer Nelson 5 Ray Allen
    6 Rajon Rondo 6 Manu Ginobili
    7 Devin Harris 7 Vince Carter
    8 Derrick Rose 8 Andre Iguodala
    9 Mo Williams 9 O.J Mayo
    10 Steve Nash 10 Michael Redd

    SF PF
    1 LeBron James 1 Tim Duncan
    2 Carmelo Anthony 2 Dirk Nowitski
    3 Pual Pierce 3 Kevin Garnett
    4 Danny Granger 4 Chris Bosh
    5 Kevin Durant 5 Pua Gasol
    6 Rashard Lewis 6 Amare Stoudemire
    7 Hedo Turkoglu 7 David West
    8 Ron Artest 8 Carlos Boozer
    9 Richard Jefferson 9 Elton Brand
    10 Josh Smith 10 Antawn Jamison
    1 Dwight Howard
    2 Shaquille O’Neal
    3 Al Jefferson
    4 Nene
    5 Andrew Bynum
    6 Al Horford
    7 Tyson Chandler
    8 Marcus Camby
    9 Brad Miller
    10 Jermaine O’Neal

  • http://hibachi20.blogspot.com DP

    I didn’t read all the way because I’m off to work but this isn’t in order right? Because I personally believe rondo sh%ts on nelson and half of that list up there expect williams and paul. play wit it.

  • Justin

    My suggestion to you is to never write a blog again…

    Maybe if you saw Devin Harris’s impact on the Nets you would understand… Also
    Brad Miller over Bargs and Lopez is just pathetic

  • Simmy Sosa

    Caron Butler belongs on that list for Small Forwards. Shawn Marion does not. I will challenge anyone to a fist fight who disagrees.

  • Quail

    Trade Shaq for that grilled cheese……

  • Bro D.

    So Emeka Okafor is one of a handful to average a double double and he can’t crack top 10 in the center category? C’mon, that is uncalled for.

  • Bro D.

    Lang, were you high when you concocted this list? If so, that would explain the grilled cheese munchies and the space thing.

  • Jack

    Jameer Nelson seems too high . . . hasn’t he really only played a few months of very good basketball? Prior to the middle of this season, he’s had a pretty mediocre career, and hasn’t really had any break-out playoff performances (though probably not his fault). I don’t know if he’s legitimately good or if those few months of good ball were an aberration.

  • Jay in O-Town North

    8. Shawn Marion (Miami Heat)??? You mean Dallas Mavericks. And #8??? Dude isnt even in the top 20 anymore (and I thought he was easily the most over-rated All-Star to begin with.) Dude is a system player that’s lost without Nash, and two years out, dude done. Best thing TO did was dump him off on Dallas.

    And for the best grilled cheese use 1 inch thick slices of french bread and three kinds of cheese: cheddar, mozzarella and havarti…lots of each. Then, dont use butter, use extra-virgin olive oil, truffle oil or some other flavored oil and pour it right in the pan over medium heat. You’ll need to reload the oil when you flip the bread, but saturation is not a bad thing. Seriously. Best freakin grilled cheese sandwich you’ll ever have, I swear to God…

    Oh, and dont use Ketchup. Use HP Sauce (for the Canadians in the house) or A1 if you cant get HP in the States.

    Marion sucks!

  • iLL wiLL

    Dammit, I’ve been putting butter on the pan for years!

    Thanks lady!

  • the big ticket

    i hate the NBA, when i cant watch it w. a legit grilled chease…which i hav been making 1/2 ever since i can remember!damn!

  • http://sjsu.edu davidR

    bro d., good observation. lang prolly was lit when he made this post

  • http://renz.com renz

    this is not true

  • http://slamonline.com Lang Whitaker

    Bro: No.

  • http://xbox.com John Hayman

    couple things: first, that grill cheese video was whack. second, derrick rose is better than jameer…at least in my opinion. third, devin harris right now is better than andre miller and jason kidd. finally big al jefferson should be second. he’s definitely better than horford and bynum and i would take him right now over shaq.

  • http://www.youtube.com/user/officerbarbrady what

    1. I’m a Hawks fan, but Al Horford is the 4th best center in the league? Uh, no. 2. Dre Miller over Bibby? 3. Jameer Nelson better than Rose, Rondo AND Billups? Pass the blunt. 4. You really would rather have David West on your team than Rasheed Wallace or Antawn Jamison?

  • Yann Blavec’s wife’s husband

    I know I piss off people saying that but I think Tim duncan plays center (gasol, too), so Nowitzki is the best pf in the nba.

  • http://www.bbaxn.com Darksaber

    ooooh Yann, now you’re gonna get it. Dirk-Bashers on slamonline live for such statements

  • http://www.boogiewilliams.com Boing Dynasty aka Free Lester Hudson

    Jose Calderon isnt a top 10(or 14) point?

  • http://www.alllooksame.com Tarzan Cooper

    wheres meka?

  • Rusty

    RJ over Caron? for real?

  • Simmy Sosa

    Calderon is top ten fantasy but it doesn’t translate.

  • http://www.mynameinblue.blogspot.com Hisham


  • http://adfji.com Jukai

    1, Chris Paul
    2. Deron Williams
    3. Tony Parker
    4. Chauncy Billups
    5. Derrick Rose
    6. Steve Nash
    7. Rajon Rondo
    8. Jameer Nelson
    9. Jason Kidd
    10. Devin Harris
    1. Dwayne Wade
    2. Kobe Bryant
    3. Brandon Roy
    4. Vince Carter
    5. Joe Johnson
    6. Ray Allen
    7. Michael Redd
    8. Allen Iverson
    9. Kevin Martin (this irked me the most… how do Ben Gordon and Jason Terry do more than Kevin Martin? None of them play defense, all three of them only score!)
    10. Ben Gordon
    1. Le-Brick Shames
    2. Carmello Anthony
    3. Kevin Durant
    4. Paul Pierce
    5. Ron Artest
    6. Hedo Turkoglu
    7. Danny GRanger
    8. Caron Butler
    9. Andre Iguodala
    10. Lamar Odom
    1. Tim Duncan
    2. Dirk Nowitzki
    3. Kevin Garnett
    4. Pau Gasol
    5. Amare Stoudemire
    6. Chris Bosh
    7. Carlos BOozer
    8. Rashard Lewis
    9. Josh Smith
    10. David West
    1. Dwight Howard
    2. Shaquille O’Neal
    3. Al Jefferson (number five is downright insulting)
    4. Nene
    5. Al Horford
    6. Emeka Okafor
    7. Marcus Camby
    8. Mehmet Okur
    9. Andrew Bynum
    10. Tyson Chandler
    Overall not a stellar list from Lang, considering the criteria. Still, I loved the conversation it spurred.

  • http://www.mynameinblue.blogspot.com Hisham

    here’s how i know that i don’t pay much attention to hip-hop anymore. Jay-Z and Game are beefing?

  • J.C.

    Nene needs to be higher, I’d take him over Bynum right now. I’d probs put Chauncey above Rondo and maybe Rose too.

  • Daniel

    David West and his balky back over LaMarcus Aldridge and his ability to run the floor? I’ll go with LaMarcus, thanks.

  • http://adfji.com Jukai

    Daniel: Forgot about Aldridge… hmmm.. sort of a toughie. I guess if I had to choose one for just one season, I’d still choose West, but that really is a tough one.

  • http://web.mac.com/roaringred bbaby

    Um, Dirk should definitely be ahead of Pau. But that’s just me…

  • Yesse

    Couldnt really even put Bynum on top 5 right now.He was a disappointment after he came back from an injury.

  • Yann Blavec’s wife’s husband

    Le Roquefort is better.

  • http://www.hibachi20.blogspot.com BETCATS

    Gerald Wallace is better then Richard Jefferson or Shawn Marion

  • http://www.dontclick.blogspot.com/ Jimbo

    Game dissing Jay? Sounds to me like someone is about to drop a new album…

  • Simmy Sosa

    Who wants to sex Mutumbo!!

  • E.

    Bynum is not a top 10 center. He had playoff games where he didn’t get 1 rebound or got 1-3. All he does is hack. You said you put him there because of his youth but at the top u said it didn’t matter about potential. Irk Nowitzki before KG? Thats just funny.

  • Jesse

    Wait… Al Jeff is lower than Bynum?


    Amare is definitly better than Chris Bosh.

  • Rusty

    Theres not much i would argue with in Jukai list.

  • http://www.slamonline.com wayno

    My only beef with Jukai’s list is AI being #8…Kevin Martin and Ben Gordon were both better than him last year. Kevin Martin’s injury was alot more convincing too…

  • Mr.2012

    Top Ten Rappers Alive
    Lil Wayne
    Ice cube

  • d

    iverson . . . hahaha.

    where marbury?

  • jeremy

    josh howard you on crack that guys a head case always injured cant shoot the 3 turnovers
    chaunncy nash and kidd are ahead of jameer nelson he played well this year for 50 games
    how andre igoudala didnt make a list confuses me
    carmelo anthony decided to play defense for a little this but didnt play as well as he did years previous paul pierce is number 2 sf
    andrew bynum cant string together a full season did you miss the lakers in the playoffs
    okur horford and jefferson are they really legit centres
    this list is horrible