• June 4, 2009 10:16 am  |  118 Comments

    Congressman to NBA: Rescind Age Minimum


    by Ryne Nelson

    Tennessee representative Steve Cohen has written a letter to the NBA and the player’s union, asking the League to scrap the 19-year-old age minimum requirement in the next CBA. The letter, sent to the Commish David Stern and player’s association Director Billy Hunter, argues the age minimum has contributed to the recent bevy of college recruiting scandals and is a detriment to many young player’s careers.

    “I am writing to express my deep concern over the policy of the National Basketball Association (NBA) to bar athletes from playing in the league on the basis of their age.

    The “19 plus 1” policy, which requires American players to be at least 19 years of age and one year removed from their high school graduating class, is an unfair restriction on the rights of these young men to pursue their intended career. I also believe that it has played an important role in several recent scandals involving college students who were prevented from entering the NBA upon high school graduation.

    I ask that this policy be repealed when the NBA completes its new collective bargaining agreement with the NBA Player’s Association.”

    To read Cohen’s full letter, click here. In a follow-up interview, Cohen went so far as to call the rule a “vestige of slavery” and “restraint on a person’s freedoms and liberties.”

    Stern has taken a opposite stance, however, saying he would support an increase in the minimum to 20 years of age. For every Garnett, Bryant, James, Stoudemire and Howard, said the commissioner, are five others who tried to make the jump early and never made it.

    There are currently three options for players with pro aspirations after high school: 1) College, 2) D-League and 3) Europe/other foreign professional league. Stern feels like the D-League and Europe are more than viable options for young players who cannot (or choose not to) play in college.

    Stern is wrong in many respects. The D-League’s competition and salaries are nothing compared to even those in Europe, making it a terrible option for the prodigiously talented 18 year olds. In Europe players can get paid (if they’re lucky) and possibly sign small endorsement deals. Is the culture shock and inconsistent roles on these foreign rosters giving players a chance to best showcase their talent? Not in Brandon Jennings’ case.

    Imagine if Derrick Rose or O.J. Mayo went straight to the League out of high school. Sure, they may have fallen out of the 2007 Lottery, but would all this mess have been necessary? C’mon, commish. Develop the D-League into a viable minor league or listen to the Congressman.

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    • Mendel Posted: Jun.4 at 10:25 am
      I disagree with the congressmen as I do with most politions. I think having players grow up a little and fall oin there ass for at least a year is a great idea before steppin into the greatest leauge on the planet. The NBA is or should not be a baby sitter. That one year under the college ligts or on the streets of the D leauge and or europe will make these boys man up a little before they get to the leauge.

    • AR Posted: Jun.4 at 10:25 am
      Or why not turn Europe into a D-League of sorts.Not unlike the way soccer teams loan out younger players to help them develop.An NBA team signs(or drafts) a young talent,sends him to a designated team in Europe that NBA team will have an agreement with(these clubs will be slightly tier teams than Brandon Jennings went to to ensure the prospect gets some playing time)This way they’ll be playing against better competition to respectable crowds with coaches that are interested in developing players(unlike college)

    • AlbertBarr Posted: Jun.4 at 10:25 am
      I wish congress would spend time trying to make ALL corporations discontinue practices which may infringe on our freedoms and what not. Unfortunately the NBA does not have to guarantee the same kinds of freedoms as guaranteed in the constitution and I think congress should spend its time doing something more valuable than meddling in the rules of sports associations. This is, to me, the last thing our government should give a crap about right now. The players have a union and a lobby that has their interests in mind and I think they have done well for themselves and players up till this point. And for every KG and Kobe ect. there is five other kids who didnt make it. You cant just discount that.

    • AlbertBarr Posted: Jun.4 at 10:26 am
      co-sign Mendel

    • Hisham Posted: Jun.4 at 10:28 am
      nice idea Izzo. And without sarcasm!

    • AR Posted: Jun.4 at 10:28 am
      Wow.Way to miss the point.

    • AR Posted: Jun.4 at 10:30 am
      Hisham:What makes you think that?

    • Freedom Fries Posted: Jun.4 at 10:31 am
      If Memphis were in any other state, do you think this Congressman would give a rat’s arse?

    • Hisham Posted: Jun.4 at 10:31 am
      @Mendel: GM’s do have a choice you know. If a high school kid turns out to be an underdevelopeded player, a bum, a project, a wash, whatever, isn’t that the risk that the franchise takes? Does the NBA have to meddle in the basketball decisions of a franchise?

    • Hisham Posted: Jun.4 at 10:33 am
      AR: just a hunch.

    • Hisham Posted: Jun.4 at 10:33 am
      i just invented a new word: underdevelopeded

    • AlbertBarr Posted: Jun.4 at 10:35 am
      Hisham…if you let owners gamble unrestricted they will eventually bust…the NBA is the house and the owners are just players at a table. The BA is acually trying to help owners not end up with bust talent…and they only have to wait 1 year. Whats the big deal?

    • AlbertBarr Posted: Jun.4 at 10:35 am
      *NBA is what I meant and *actually

    • Cizzo Posted: Jun.4 at 10:38 am
      The NBA is the league on that bull*ish and the young black aspiring athelete, the most vonurable species on Earth is the one suffering from this rule. i feel like if a person don’t want to go to college and begin on the career they have chosen for themselves it should’nt be any resrictions. Hince I’ve dubbed this as the The Profile Rule!!!!!!!!!!

    • Justin Walsh Posted: Jun.4 at 10:42 am
      real. talk. The age limit is stupid. You disagree? Who are the best players in the league right now? LeBron- no college. Kobe- no college. KG- no college. Dwight Howard- no college. Dwyane- college. Tim D.- college. Chris Paul- college. This doesn’t mean that no college is the only way to success or that it means there is no success without it. What it says is, Stern saying everybody should go to school for a year minimum is completely disingenuous and even if Stern doesn’t mean to, by enacting the rule he’s only affecting the african american players. Let’s be real, you don’t see white american players in a position to go pro right after high school. A few get overhyped (Shavlik Randolph anyone? dude was going to go pro til an injury, thank god for that) and get the status, but let’s be real. All this does is get Stern to try and soften the thuggery image the NBA was given after the brawl. The interesting part is that the so called thugs in this league aren’t people skipping college, it’s grown azz men in their thirties gettin’ offended. So really, Stern totally missed the boat. And he wants to raise the age limit to 20? What does this do besides toxify the already dirty basketball industry on the ‘amateur’ side of things… Stern doesn’t mean the rule in a racist way whatsoever, he means it so that the talent level is high and marketable & he doesn’t feel that for every lebron you get a insert failed kid here is worth it. He’s totally wrong, he’s basically saying that LBJ, Kobe, KG and others did the wrong thing & he’s going to end up impeding certain individuals who DESERVE to make money. And let’s not even mention the fact that in Europe (where he wants to globalize the game) they go pro DURING secondary school (and it works well, there’s no drop off of intelligence…you don’t see idiots who went pro at 15 like a Rubio or a Petrovic, they are well groomed). And let’s not also forget that in other sports, nobody bats an eye when Freddy Adu gets his first MILLION dollar contract with a shoe company at age…what was it, 14? Stern just misses the boat.

    • Khalid Salaam Posted: Jun.4 at 10:51 am
      If i lived in Tenn, i would vote this guy outta office. Do your job mf..

    • AR Posted: Jun.4 at 10:52 am
      AlberBarr:That’s the worst argument for the age limit I’ve ever heard.Are teams really going to bust from $5mil rookie contracts?Of course not.Are the NBA really trying to protect people from making bad decisions?Of course not.If they were there would be a ‘Raef LaFrentz minimum salary rule’ already in place.This is about the NBA trying to control something they should have no control over and trying to dictate something they should have no say in.Ultimately preventing people from making money and making a joke out of college(not the NCAA).

    • Freedom Fries Posted: Jun.4 at 10:56 am
      Kha, any chance on getting a reaction on the Cairo speech? pretty pleez? huffingtonpost.com/2009/06/04/ obama-speech-in-cairo-vid_n_211215.html

    • Hisham Posted: Jun.4 at 10:57 am
      I see your point AlbertBarr. I agree that Stern has to watch over and protect his product. But will his product really improve that much by sending kids to college for one year? Is this really the way? Because to me, the negatives outweigh the positives.

    • Z Posted: Jun.4 at 10:58 am
      The big deal is this is making the NCAA even more of a travesty than it already is. D. Rose and Mayo and countless others had no intention of ever being real student-athletes. The NBA is using the NCAA as a farming system, free of charge. If a dude feels he’s ready and doesn’t need college ball, let him! The onus is on him to make a wise decision. Almost all the one and dones were ready when they finished HS and were just basically put on a clock. Guys like Bron and Kobe would have gained NOTHING out of one year in college, but their schools would have made a healthy profit though… IMO, it’s really effed up to have kids that have no intention to graduate or even attend classes represent their schools in athletic events. The concept of student-athletes is all but forgotten now. A shame. Even though I truly despise Coach K and his Dukies, a lot of his stars DO graduate because there is a culture at Duke that demands that athletes commit to their eduacation. Those are freaking high learning institutions, after all! Let the kids that don’t want to open a book go to the NBA.

    • Declan Posted: Jun.4 at 10:59 am
      He looks like a star wars alien. But he speaks the truth. For every failed high school kid who enters the draft, there is another college underclassmen who does the exact same thing with the same result.

    • Mendel Posted: Jun.4 at 10:59 am
      FIZIRST

    • Z Posted: Jun.4 at 11:03 am
      Co-sign Khalid though, why is a congressman up in this? I’ve had a few classes in my BA on american politics but there are things that I still don’t get. Why is the congress up on things that have nothing to do with policy and law making? Why were they involved with the roids scandals in the MLB?!

    • NBA Chatter 6/4 Posted: Jun.4 at 11:07 am
      [...] Congressman to challenge NBA Age Rule? Congressman Steve Cohen (D-Tenn.) has written a letter to the NBA in protest of the 19 year old age limit proposed and approved a few years ago. The agreement ends in 2011.. To read the letter click here [...]

    • Mansonovic Posted: Jun.4 at 11:09 am
      If you’re old enough, you’re good enough. In soccer, if you had this kind of restriction, we probably wouldn’t have had Lionel Messi, Michael Owen, Wayne Rooney, Alex Pato, Robinho, Cristiano Ronaldo, Cesc Fabregas…the list goes on.

    • AlbertBarr Posted: Jun.4 at 11:11 am
      Z, they focus on issues that will keep the general public distracted from actually talking about REAL issues that should be solved by the government like healthcare, energy, and wars and poverty and social justice…………..

    • Justin Walsh Posted: Jun.4 at 11:13 am
      AlbertBarr this congressmen is just pandering to a district, nobody argues that trash, but I’m saying regardless of what his sleazy self says, The one and done rule is stupid. the age limit is stupid.

    • Czar Ruke Posted: Jun.4 at 11:13 am
      One missing piece in all of these arguments is the fact that the Players Union gave the nod on this rule. And if Stern wants it to be 20, then the Union will have to accept it. The vets don’t want the young cats getting the big salaries while they have to settle for minimum deals.

    • Mansonovic Posted: Jun.4 at 11:13 am
      Whoops…that - of course - should have read “if you’re good enough, you’re old enough”.

    • Justin Walsh Posted: Jun.4 at 11:15 am
      Czar, that has nothing to do with it. Young cats getting too big of a salary? Then redo the rookie contract setup. Age my azz, let’s cut the dumb rule and get to brass tacks.

    • AlbertBarr Posted: Jun.4 at 11:17 am
      AR, it wasnt so much an argument as it was a response to Hisham. I think where I dint agree with your argument is when you say that Stern and Co. are trying to control something they have no business controlling. Stern is the Commissioner of the league in question. It is his job to make up stupid crap like this…it is what managers do. If players want to come to the NBA and get paid, then why should they not have to do it on the terms the NBA sets? I am not saying I think it is a good or a bad thing, what I am saying is it isn’t the players who get to decide, and I do believe owners get some input as to how these rules are set up so its not like they are powerless. Yes, some players are ready out of highschool, they have options other than the NCAA to get their year. They may not be great options but options they still are.

    • AlbertBarr Posted: Jun.4 at 11:20 am
      or the players union does have input but I am not sure they are the biggest supporter of the age rule…I don’t really know where to go to look for everyone’s official opinions

    • Czar Ruke Posted: Jun.4 at 11:20 am
      I agree. I was taking a wild guess. The Union signs off on the rule for some reason beyond my understanding, but it’s the only way the rule can be in the CBA. Why would the players want the rule?

    • Czar Ruke Posted: Jun.4 at 11:23 am
      Someone ask Billy Hunter…

    • TADOne Posted: Jun.4 at 11:23 am
      Amen.

    • Justin Walsh Posted: Jun.4 at 11:23 am
      they dont want the rule. nobody but…what stern wants it? I know multiple players in the L straight up think its racist, most officials in the industry dont like it…heck, cats that make money announcing college games who stand to profit dont like it.

    • Billy Hunter Posted: Jun.4 at 11:24 am
      Mr. Stern threatened to eat my children.

    • Jukai Posted: Jun.4 at 11:31 am
      The age limit rule has NOTHING to do with the NBA. It has ALL to do with the NCAA. Stern is in bed with the NCAA (every year they make more partnerships) and this is how Stern is helping them: by sending the star players into the NCAA first. It helps the NBA too, since these star players are more HYPED when they head into the draft, since the nation has watched them and grown to love them.
      This has nothing to do with vet players, or NBA owners.

    • AlbertBarr Posted: Jun.4 at 11:35 am
      We all hate on Stern, but he has been at the head of the NBA for a while now and he has done a decent job. I know anyone getting a big paycheck in the NBA isnt complaining. The money, the hype, the marketing…that is all driven at the top by stern. To a point it has been beneficial to the NBA for Stern to “protect his product”. Hisham asked “But will his product really improve that much by sending kids to college for one year? Is this really the way? Because to me, the negatives outweigh the positives.” It seems that for some kids the answer is no. LeBron, Kobe, KG…those guys were ready. But for many, the answer is probably yes. The rule may hinder the truly great for a year but for most it will give them just enough time to sharpen their teeth a little more in the game of life. I know I grew a lot as a person my first year out of highschool. Those intangibles are really important for some young dudes to be successful. Now, it could all just be a a good excuse for the college system to be used as a free farm league, but the idea isnt THAT suspect. My question is this: if the one year rule is stupid to you all, then would you support dropping the age limit to 14, like Rubio in spain? Should we have let LeBron into the NBA when he was 15 or 16? If they are ready they are ready, Right?

    • ciolkstar Posted: Jun.4 at 11:36 am
      It is racist, Walsh. The whole argument about protecting the Johnathan Benders (aka the kids who don’t make it) of the world, from themselves is laughable. Its about grooming and protecting investments. Stern is concerned with making teams investments more stable and getting free advertising for young players. Meanwhile NCAA hoops is getting dirtier by the year and NOBODY believes these kids are there for school. I mean, does anyone think Lance Stephenson is gonna be studying and doing homework next season? Its a joke. At best its exploitative, and at worst racist and unconstitutional.

    • Allenp Posted: Jun.4 at 11:37 am
      If folks like the NBA age minimum, I hope they are also advocating for age minimums in tennis, golf, hockey, baseball and gymnastics. Oh, yeah, swimming too.
      If not, I’m going to have wonder at your hypocrisy.

    • AlbertBarr Posted: Jun.4 at 11:38 am
      How is it unconstitutional?

    • Freedom Fries Posted: Jun.4 at 11:40 am
      The age this is funny to me – on the surface it *sounds* like a rational debate about the betterment of up and coming kids – the reality is way different. Not that far off from the pro-lifers who kill you. What education are these kids getting? No one cares at all – but the colleges makes millions off their backs, educated or not . . . . whatta farce

    • Ses Posted: Jun.4 at 11:41 am
      I see that everyone keeps bringing up Kobe being so great out of HS. Thats not what i remember!!! He needed sometime to develop his skills on an NBA level. I am not opposed to the one and done rule because of players like Kwame Brown!!! Let them play at a higher level out of HS but not quite the NBA scale. Even Lebron, he won rookie of the year but his numbers where inferior to Carmelo’s (A college player)numbers and Melo brought a losing team to the playoff, (if you dont believe so, just look it up), but Lebron (who didnt make the post season) was made the NBA’s golden child (hense,the R.O.Y. regardless). And yes, for every one elite H.S. player to jump theres aleast 5 who get cutt!!!

    • ciolkstar Posted: Jun.4 at 11:41 am
      Its both, Jukai. The NCAA clearly benefits from getting these top young talents for one (or two) seasons. But the NBA defintely benefits from the free marketing for young stars, and teams are more able to avoid some missteps in speculative drafting (ie. Kwame Brown) while filtering out some headcases, and provding scouts with a clearer forum for assesing players than the HS ranks provide.

    • AlbertBarr Posted: Jun.4 at 11:43 am
      Freedom Fries, I dont see how the age rule is like pro-lifers killing abortion doctors. I assume that is what you were referring to. That is a little extreme.

    • Stan Posted: Jun.4 at 11:43 am
      Hey, our senators are actually conducting a hearing about a celebrity sex video scandal (search for Hayden Kho). I agree that the age requirement should be removed, and let the best players play and make those that think too highly of themselves suffer the consequences.

    • ciolkstar Posted: Jun.4 at 11:51 am
      Ses you are just wrong. You pulled that 5-1 stat out of your ass. The discepancy is not even close to that large. The fact is that most of the biggest current stars in the L, came straight out of HS. And the biggest young guns go to school for a year as formality and many of them break laws and cheat their competition by taking $ and making deals with agents/agencies while in school. And the “amateurism” in college atheltics is a joke. If the league came out and said, “Hey, teams are loosing money by drating too many players out of HS. Its bad for competition because many of these players are underdeveloped and unpredictable. So there will be a one year minimun rule” thats one thing, but the hypocrisy of claiming that the nba is: Just trying to protect these sometimes overly ambitious youngsters from themslves because its best for them to (pretend to) go to college for a year is a HUGE CROCK OF SH1T.

    • Justin Walsh Posted: Jun.4 at 12:00 pm
      also ciolk, its not even breaking the law by accepting money, or cheating their competition. It’s not illegal to accept money with the law. It’s just against the NCAA rules. BIIIG difference.

    • niQ Posted: Jun.4 at 12:02 pm
      that is definitely not the most flattering picture of the congressman. he looks like a zombie.

    • ciolkstar Posted: Jun.4 at 12:06 pm
      Albertbarr:
      Its *potentially* unconstitutionall because it discriminates against people based on age, for one. But one cannot ignore that the peopleeffected by this “rule” are 99.9% percent African American. Meanwhile other sports, (and ironically “whiter” sports) Gymnastics, Baseball, Swimming, Tennis (even pro basketball across the globe) allow for elite yuoung athelets to ply their trade as soon as it is commercially viable for them. To me, its sort of a “pursuit of happiness” issue as well.

    • Witness Posted: Jun.4 at 12:11 pm
      Nah. I dont want anymore players coming out of high school. I think David Stern is right.

    • AlbertBarr Posted: Jun.4 at 12:11 pm
      Ciolk: You have a sliver of an argument in there but I think you wouldn’t win that one in court. The rule would have to blatantly discriminatory. As far as I know, the rule applies to everyone in the United States.

    • ciolkstar Posted: Jun.4 at 12:13 pm
      I’m not sure what uou mean Walsh. There aren’t any laws about amateurism? Just NCAA rules? That changes the leaglities, but to me the core issues are the same.
      It defintely IS cheating the competition who doesn’t receive cash and gifts, and who’s parents don’t get cushy atheletic department jobs. The task of being a legitimate student athelete is extremely difficult, and those who do it by the book have a much harder time than those who are catered to in every situation and are eseentially semi-pro players being used by universities while being dressed up as “Student Atheletes”.

    • Son of Shawn Posted: Jun.4 at 12:13 pm
      I don´t understand the NCAA, they pretend to be the last reduct for the amateur athletes who want to have a superior education, so this is clearly an enormous BUUULLSH…, if you really want a superior education you´d be obligated to stay in the NCAA until you get your degree. And don´t believe that staying a year in the NCAA will prevent that the franchise´s pay a bust to play basketball in the NBA (JJ, Moustache Morrison, The Collins Bros. etc.)

    • Witness Posted: Jun.4 at 12:14 pm
      There are alot of players who can benefit from going to college and there are only a few that can actually make that leap.

    • ciolkstar Posted: Jun.4 at 12:14 pm
      I did qualify my initial statement with “At Worst” didn’t I?

    • BETCATS Posted: Jun.4 at 12:16 pm
      AR = a illegal name. You should be izzo. This is confusing. Simple folk like myself cannot adapt to this type of change

    • dma Posted: Jun.4 at 12:19 pm
      “this is america. if you don’t like it you can getttttttt outtttt!” - country hicks from south park

    • Justin Walsh Posted: Jun.4 at 12:24 pm
      ciolk, OJ getting paid isnt against the law. It really isn’t. Just like me getting paid back in the day for sports writing when I was a minor wasn’t against the law. “It defintely IS cheating the competition who doesn’t receive cash and gifts, and who’s parents don’t get cushy atheletic department jobs” Well, actually you’d be surprised at just how many players get some form of help. And the regular ’student athlete players’? Bro they don’t go to class all the time, they don’t have the same standards, even they get the pedestal. And how is it a problem when a kid improves his situation? How am I going to get pissed if some father gets a good job to provide for his family? And if he works at the same school that his son attends, that helps keep the kid in check and forms a deeper bond. You act like this stuff is outrageous or something. Packaged deals have been going on for DECADES. and guess what- that’s not illegal. or even against NCAA rules. Packaged deals are totally okay under the NCAA

    • ciolkstar Posted: Jun.4 at 12:26 pm
      Another thing I hate is that people act like once you play a game in the NBA you can never go back to college or get a degree. The fact is that even by siging a league minium FA contract a person could easily afford to go back to school in the summers or take courses online. They just wouldn’t be able to play college basketball.
      And if the legaue cared as much about these young mens’ futures, as it professes to, why don’t they institute a policy similar to the MLB? Where teams can agree to pay for college IF the player’s pro career doesn’t work out. I’m pretty sure the Yankees are currently paying for Xavier Henry’s brother to go to school after he was drafted by them but didn’t pan out.
      Bottom line, the age minimum is about money and marketing for the NCAA and the NBA.

    • Justin Walsh Posted: Jun.4 at 12:28 pm
      ciolk, yes yes and yes. also, let’s add another yes when somebody asks if I’m fly!

    • ciolkstar Posted: Jun.4 at 12:37 pm
      I know its not against the law. But it is bullsh1t. And it does cheat the competition, there’s no way you’ll convince me otherwise. The student athelete stipend is not the same thing as getting hundreds of thousands of dollars, houses, cars and/or jobs for your fam. OJ might be your boy, and I’m not saying he’s a bad dude for taking money under the table, like I’m sure a TON of other players do. Guys like OJ didn’t create the situation, but they do benefit disproportionately from it. The universities makes lots of dough off of them, so they are very valuable. I get that. OJ probably did what was best for his family (and his career, by NOT going to Europe and instead getting PAID while being on national TV all year, and I don’t personally blame him. I’m just saying that with the way the rules currently exist, these cats should either be Pro’s or Student Atheletes. I’m 100% for changing some NCAA rules to allow for more above board compensation for players, but the way it works now is disengenous and is not fair to your average student athelete who’s still trying to get a degree, or has any general interest in college.

    • Justin Walsh Posted: Jun.4 at 12:40 pm
      ciolk, life isnt fair. OJ Mayo deserves more compensation than the 12th man on the UT-Pan American roster. You get money of the shoe companies, agents and sacred cows of the game think you’re worth it. You dont get the money if you don’t meet their interest. Period. And to be honest, the cats getting all the money under the table, aren’t usually the ones giving two bits about the degree at the time. Those are usually the ones that leave early. and if you think the average D1 basketball player is recruited without perks or violations, you’re naive. I know midlevel guys that have stuff paid for.

    • Justin Walsh Posted: Jun.4 at 12:43 pm
      and ‘cheat the competition’? getting money under the table doesnt change how the game is played on the court. and the ‘competition’ as you dubbed them still get college paid for, they get to play basketball and have their life put on a pedestal in the community. cheating the community my azz. I know far too many AVERAGE student athletes that you’re talking about to say they get screwed. D1 athletes get so much help it’s ridiculous

    • doyouwantmore Posted: Jun.4 at 12:49 pm
      Stern has a deal with the NCAA. Colleges need those burgeoning superstars to make billions of dollars every year. Personally I think any smart player would go to college and learn things that they cannot learn anywhere else but it should be their choice.

    • Justin Walsh Posted: Jun.4 at 12:51 pm
      cannot learn elsewhere? doesn’t kobe, lebron, kg and others disprove that notion?

    • AlbertBarr Posted: Jun.4 at 12:59 pm
      I wouldnt say Kobe Lebron and KG have learned the same things you can learn in college. They have learned about life but there is some interesting things to be learned through higher education. Being educated may not make you a better baller but it does have its benefits.

    • Jukai Posted: Jun.4 at 1:10 pm
      … like?

    • Justin Walsh Posted: Jun.4 at 1:11 pm
      AlbertBarr funny thing, Kobe is thought to be an extremely intelligent person. Also, LeBron has made some of the best financial decisions of any player this league has ever seen. I think you have a valid reason for your opinion, but I think you have it too simplified.

    • Statik Posted: Jun.4 at 1:12 pm
      I’d like to know what some of those things you can learn in college and that you can’t learn anywhere else…?

    • phil Posted: Jun.4 at 1:21 pm
      I don’t support it. It is wise for players to go to college to hone their skills, but the decision should be up to the player, and not the league. Plus forcing a player like Durant or Rose to go to college for one year is likely A) Not providing them any amount of training they couldn’t get in one season in the NBA, and B) Not giving them a substantial education to even better themselves. There’s also no substantial benefit for the NCAA in the current system.

    • ciolkstar Posted: Jun.4 at 1:21 pm
      Drugs and casual sex? Oh wait, they have those in the NBA too…

    • Great Balls O'Fire Posted: Jun.4 at 1:22 pm
      No more nanny state!

    • Z Posted: Jun.4 at 1:58 pm
      The racist undertone is undeniable. Why do we feel the need to protect NBA players from themselves? Do we care about 14-year old gymnasts getting an education? Do we fear that hockey and baseball players will have nothing to fall back on if they don’t make it to the L? Why don’t we consider potential HS draftees (who are, as far as i know, all black) fit to make the best choice for themselves when the issue was never ever raised in hockey or baseball?

    • The Promise Posted: Jun.4 at 3:02 pm
      Listen people. Do you really think a player with the talent of, say, John Wall, is going to go to college and graduate with a degree? I think not. Beacuse of this pathetic, rascist undertoned (cosigning Z there) age rule, he cant go on to the league and acheive his life dream. Why should you have to go to college if you think you are good enough to make it in the NBA right out of high school? There is no reason man. John Wall could have been a top 3 pick in the draft, and sure, I’m glad hes playing for my team, UK, but if hes good enough to play right now, he should be able to go. Its just not fair to have let guys like Kobe, LBJ, Garnett, T-Mac, and Dwight Howard go pro straight out of high school, and then say that these latest up and coming stars cant do that. It makes absolutely no sense. And, in the end, its killing college basketball, because, programs that recruit these players have to rebuild year after year, because they will only stay one year. There’s no such thing as an All-American staying 4 years any more, its very very rare. These guys, they are hungry to get in the league and make a name for theirselves, like the ones that came before them. They dont give a flying f*** about graduating from college, they wanna get that massive paycheck and that big shoe contract. Can you blame them? If I was as good as a guy like John Wall, I would NOT want to have to attend college, cause, really whats the point? Stern is only delaying the inevitable with the age limit. Its just putting NBA players in college, for one season, then they are gone. And, colleges will do almost anything to get these guys to come, even if it goes above and beyond NCAA rules, beacuse they sell tickets. If that is the reason why these guys cant enter the league, then Stern is just one sick little individual.

    • cool j Posted: Jun.4 at 3:42 pm
      A bunch stupid comments on here, these kids should be going to school….what if they can’t make it in the league?
      Hockey league has a minimum age too…
      Melo waited a year and went to NBA ,what’s the problem with that… So for the benefit of handful of players would could be successful out of highschool ,we will allow young impressionable young men to destroy their future? It is bad enough that we have NBA or NFL who’s career were cut short by injuries end up broke and without an education to fall back on.
      That’s what is shameful.
      Please stop using racism when there is none you make it harder for a lot of people when they are victim of real racism.

    • Z Posted: Jun.4 at 4:18 pm
      cool j, to put it bluntly, GTFOH. the kids coming out are mcdonalds-type dudes. how many kids came out and DID NOT get drafted? talk to me about the ndudi ebis all you want but who’s to say that he wouldn’t have been a bust even if he had spent one year in a gym of some acc school (notice that i didn’t say class). if he’s really serious about going to school, he already made enough money to pay for his and his cousins’ tuitions. and again, why is nobody giving a f— that a hockey player or a baseball player has an education to fall back on? what is even the percentage of nba players that graduated? what’s the difference between doing a year, going pro and dropping out of the L. or dropping out of the L after HS. unless they give out one-year degrees in the state.

    • The Promise Posted: Jun.4 at 4:20 pm
      cool j is an idiot.

    • Jay Posted: Jun.4 at 4:51 pm
      @ cool j - ‘what if they can’t make it in the league?’ They get a job or go back to school and do something else. Just like they would do whenever their basketball career is over. Let’s not pretend that we are so ‘concerned’ with the fate of these players. Do we care about the people who graduate from high school and go to college and can’t cut and then dropout or the people who graduate high school and go directly into the workforce? No. Why because that’s the decision they made and they have to live with it. Half of these players don’t belong in college academic-wise anyway. The only reason the schools want them is for athletic ability. So, I’m fine with players taking their chances with playing professional ball to see if it works out. If it doesn’t, it’s their choice and they have to live with it. It doesn’t effect us one way or the other. And they still have the rest of their lives to go to college or do whatever.

    • albie1kenobi Posted: Jun.4 at 4:56 pm
      i actually wrote a paper on this NBA age minimum rule as my last paper in college, and i can’t remember if i wrote it for or against the rule.
      my point is: i like basketball, and i’m glad i got to write about something that i know about rather than some b.s. classic literatures that has nothing to do with me.

    • Justin Walsh Posted: Jun.4 at 5:03 pm
      The Promise, most of your point is valid, but get off Kentucky’s jock please- John Wall would not be in the top 3 of this draft even if he was eligible under current rules.

    • The Promise Posted: Jun.4 at 5:19 pm
      Justin Walsh: Do you like read anything on the internet? If I am not mistaken, ESPN.com reported that there was a chance John Wall was eligible for the draft, and if he was, it said he could be at least a top 3 pick, so maybe you just need to quit hatin on the best team in collge basketball next year. I may be wrong, but I doubt it.

    • Allenp Posted: Jun.4 at 5:26 pm
      Z
      Robert Swift was white and he came out of high school. Just to be accurate.
      However, just because rule applies to everyone, doesn’t mean its not unconstitutional. If a rule applies to “everyone” but discriminates more heavily against a certain group, that group can win a lawsuit.

    • The Promise Posted: Jun.4 at 5:26 pm
      And I agree with Jay completely. You people act like that if these guys dont make it in the NBA, their lives are over. If they dont make it, and they dont have either the brains or the work ethic to get through college and earn a degree, then they have to do like everybody else, get off their butt and get a job. If there is something wrong with that, I sure don’t know what it would be. Some guys are cut out for the league, some are not. Does that mean those guys that didn’t make it go home and live with their momma and pout about it the rest of their lives? No. They have no choice but to get in the real world like everybody else.

    • rob stewart Posted: Jun.4 at 5:50 pm
      I recently wrote a 20 page paper on the simlarities between the plantation of slavery and the process that many african-americans take to get to the NBA. If you would like to read it just let me know. I just graduated from St. Paul School of Theology with a Masters of Divinity.

    • Marco Posted: Jun.4 at 5:59 pm
      Please can someone explain me WHY an 18 year old guy can be killed in afghanistan or in some freaking fckin place like that, but CAN NOT play pro basketball?

    • Marco Posted: Jun.4 at 6:01 pm
      Always thinked that it was a dumb decision by Ster, only to allow the ncaa to make more money

    • The Promise Posted: Jun.4 at 6:02 pm
      @Marco: Lets keep the war out of this, shall we?

    • Justin Walsh Posted: Jun.4 at 6:04 pm
      The Promise: are you totally uneducated on the situation? 1. he was not eligible because though he would be 19, since he had not yet GRADUATED or been REMOVED from secondary school, he is not eligible under the current CBA. that ESPN piece was hype for the recruiting trail. I asked John Wall in PERSON in NY at the jordan brand classic if he had any want to try the draft. The dude had NO want in that. He said he’s not ready. And he would not have been a top 3 pick. I don’t give two bits what a mock draft says, the GM’s said they haven’t seen enough to warrant that high. I’m not hating on Kentucky- they are the favorites to win the title next season (my favorites as well), I am just not going to say “OH, THIS IS BETTER THAN THE FAB FIVE” because it isn’t. I’ve met, scouted and covered the whole class, including the Kentucky players for various publications and sites, including SLAM, and I am pretty sure I’m not sitting here blind to the situation typing hyperbole into the comment box.

    • Marco Posted: Jun.4 at 6:05 pm
      you are right the promise

    • Marco Posted: Jun.4 at 6:07 pm
      i just wanted to say that if a man wants to play in the nba when he is 15,16,17, tha age doesn’t matter, he has every right to do it, every right to exploit that chanche

    • Justin Walsh Posted: Jun.4 at 6:07 pm
      @The Promise: that being said, I’m not in any way trying to argue with you or anything, I respect the view of your opinions and I even get what you’re saying. I just think we overhype some of these players. Now, I still think Kentucky is overhyped, but not because I think they aren’t the favorites- they are. I think they are a final four team. I just don’t think we can sit here and say “Oh, game over guys.” Kansas is a very talented team, UNC will be a solid squad, as will UT. That’s not to say I find myself saying “Oh, they can whoop Kentucky” because as I said, they ARE the favorites. I just don’t sit here and pontificate on greatness that hasn’t happened yet!

    • AlbertBarr Posted: Jun.4 at 7:05 pm
      Sorry, even though I am college educated I spent my day earning money operating a jackhammer. Couldnt respond until now. What did I learn in college that cant be learned anywhere else? Well, nothing. I could have learned those things eventually away from college. But at 25, I have to acknowledge the person that a higher education has made me. I am more socially aware, I can make an argument without resorting to fallacy, I know how to make the smell of weed smoke disappear using a paper towel tube and a bounce dryer sheet. Justin, you are right, I was oversimplifying. I just think that going to college is a good thing if you want to do it. Kobe is considered intelligent and he spent his youth traveling and living overseas for a tick…that will mature someone very fast and having that kind of experience helps you build similar knowledge to what they try and make you aware of in college. LeBron is very business minded, but that doesn’t mean he is educated. The college experience, if it is a liberal arts school at least, is about making you well rounded in your mind and in your perspectives. It helps you to think like an adult. It prepares you for success through hard work. SOME, not all, of these kids could benefit from that. It could help them be better as people in the NBA, not necessarily playing skills but person skills. Derrick Rose cut himself on a knife he forgot he had in his bed this season. I am not saying college would teach him it is stupid to leave knives in your bed but hey, he might have benefited from a little more classtime on that one. In closing, since they are going to make a$$loads of money anyway, the only thing college will teach them are the things that have no value…like how to enjoy a haiku, or knowing what Einsteins relativity actually means, or how to choose a tertiary color scheme or whoch trees are good for smoking in out of view of the campus police…intangible benefits like this.

    • Myles Brown Posted: Jun.4 at 7:16 pm
      “Wide noses, breathing up all the white man’s air….”

    • Dacre Posted: Jun.4 at 8:09 pm
      Congressman son is a 6-8 HS All-American?

    • The Promise Posted: Jun.4 at 8:24 pm
      @Justin Walsh: Ok, I said I may be wrong, and if I am, then I can at least admit it, unlike some of these ignorant chumps on here. If you have actually talked to the man, as you claim, then ok, I will go with what you are saying. And, unlike alot of people in the state of Kentucky, I havent necessarily said that they should just give the championship to them right now, but at the same time, they have to be the favorite, and I think they will win it in the end. If I piss@d you off, I’m sorry. You have your opinions, and I have mine. And, I agree with you that the Fab Five is better. No doubts on that. I think UK will do what they failed to do though. Win a title.

    • tealish Posted: Jun.4 at 8:25 pm
      I stopped at “Vestige of slavery”. Are you kidding me with that? Gtfo, for real.

    • Steve Posted: Jun.4 at 9:39 pm
      The age limit is about the NBA trying to protect its product, it has virtually nothing to do with the players themselves. The last thing the league needs is teams filling players 7-12 with 18 year old propects to ensure that they don’t miss out on the next Kobe/KG/LBJ, all the while diluting the product to the point that Europe becomes the pre-eminent league. A year of college/NBDL/Europe gives talent scouts an extra year to determine if a player is any good or not. The focus on the players above is misplaced and Stern is being disingenuous by implying he looking out for the players that don’t make it. He is trying to avoid such players being in the league not for their sake but for the sake of the league!

    • Justin Walsh Posted: Jun.5 at 12:57 am
      nono, The Promise, we’re good. I’m not upset. I just felt like I needed to state it. And I’m not lying to you that I spoke to him, I covered the JBC for SLAM :) And actually, real talk Promise you have some of the best strong opinions on the site. I expect you to stay strong on the opinions. stay with it.

    • Chendaddy Posted: Jun.5 at 3:05 am
      There will be recruiting scandals in the NCAA regardless of whether there is an age limit or not. The only difference is whether people will be taking Corey Brewer’s or Derrick Rose’s SAT’s. So you can throw that argument right out the window.
      Second, if David Stern is truly concerned about the maturity and image of these boys, letting them spend a year or so being king of the campus at a D-I school will certainly not do that for them. Take a look at Mike Beasley, Mario Charmers, and Darrell Arthur at last year’s rookie camp for proof of that.
      If he really wants to guide these kids, he should be forcing owners to provide counselors and advisors for every player on their teams. Then make sessions with them mandatory. I never understood how a corporation could invest tens of millions of dollars in an individual and then not make sure the smartest and most disciplined people are around to help them as much as possible.
      Finally, this last point will make me very unpopular, but I feel strongly about it. The D-League has the potential to become a viable minor league, but it can never be looked upon as the second-best option to the NBA when European teams are paying much bigger salaries for players to play in much better places than Tulsa or Idaho. You think a young black athlete going to Rome is culture shock, but going to Idaho isn’t?
      There is a way to fund the D-League to be competitive with the Euro leagues. There is a certain organization that hemorrhages money like crazy every year and annually needs a $6-8 million infusion from the NBA just to stay upright. It was an admirable attempt at being socially conscientious, but it’s time to admit there is no market for this product and use the costs of maintaining it go to improving a product that works.
      It is time to can the WNBA and pour that money into developing the D-League.

    • Dre Posted: Jun.5 at 8:42 am
      Would he write a letter to any other Fortune 500 company and tell them to take the requirements off of the positions the hold in their company? A company has a write to put whatever requirement they feel they need on a position in their company to get the best candidate for the job. Did he write to football with the same letter… look at part of the Maurice Clarrett mess. I am an ex-american player… we just need to step up the game and the grades. If someone was trying to be an engineer, no one would be fussing at engineering companies for any adjustments they make for a more experienced worker. It’s a job… treat it like one.

    • Eric Posted: Jun.5 at 10:26 am
      “for every Garnett,Bryant,Stoudimire and Howard, said the commissioner,are five others who tried to make the jump early and never made it” Okay, for every Tim Duncan there’s a host of other college players who don’t make it. Stern’s reasoning is absurd and that’s why it’s so easy for people to turn this into a race issue. Stern doesn’t want 18 year olds because he doesn’t want to pay 2 or three big contracts to these players. It’s all about money. The older the players are when they come in, the less they will be paid over the long haul. And since when did going to college mature anyone? If anything going to college retards that journey. People mature when they take responsibility for their lives, not after receiving a piece of paper from one of the diploma mills. Stern needs to stop sucking up to the prols with all their silly notions about the value of higher learning and admit that it would be a problem,if it isn’t already to the finacial health of the league to have alot of young players in the league that could hit the teams up 1 or 2 100 million dollar contracts.

    • DW24 Posted: Jun.5 at 10:41 am
      Ciolk: It seems like you’re just trying to blow this all out of proportion with race. I hate when people bring race in because we’re all American. Ok maybe not tons of white kids are coming out of High School to play but that doesn’t make the rule racist. In all reality people are tired of seeing these kids get so hyped and everyones buying into it and then they don’t pan out and they don’t go back to college and they ruin their life. Yes there’s tons of flaws with this rule but still in all reality it helps. In the past 2 drafts name some lottery players who haven’t panned out cuz for the most part they all have been successful thanks to maturing in college. And lets be honest as basketball fans its fun to have the NBA Finals AND an ultra competitive NCAA Tournament. It makes everything so much better.

    • Allenp Posted: Jun.5 at 11:09 am
      Dre
      Fortune 500 companies are subject to anti-trust laws.
      None of the professional sports leagues deal with the same scrutiny. If professional sports leagues want to be seen as regular corporations, they need to be subject to the same regulations as those companies. If they want to have special treatment, then people can hold them to a different standard.
      It’s a simple fix.

    • M Cho Posted: Jun.5 at 1:59 pm
      I always thought this age restriction was racist. Other sports let players be drafted right out of high-school. The implication here is that somehow NBA ballers (read: young african amercians) don’t know what’s best for them. Well, the point of american society is that they got the freedom to decide that sh!t for themselves. Whether they make good choices or bad ones, they have that right. College is an option for ballers, just like it is for everyone else.

    • nbk Posted: Jun.5 at 2:49 pm
      because politics don’t have any age minimums…….. or how about gambling……or drinking…….the only thing that is not strict on age is the military. Which your still supposed to be 18 for, but the point is, there are more pressing age restrictions for a congressman to focus on.

    • cool j Posted: Jun.5 at 3:43 pm
      Just to be clear no one has a right to play in the NBA.As an association they have the right let in who them want and when …
      For those claiming “racism” and all upset by this rule.I just wish all of you were as angry about the state of education in the black community,the drop-out rate etc…

    • Allenp Posted: Jun.5 at 3:49 pm
      Cool J
      So, you’re assuming that folks who are upset about the age minimum can’t be upset about all those other things?
      Way to make a helluva an assumption Captain.
      Oh yeah, where the hell did you get that “association” point from? What does the work “association” have to do with discrimination?
      The NBA is a business. The players are employees. The NBA has established an arbitrary age limit on the employees it hires. That’s within its rights as a company. But let’s not pretend that means it’s not discriminatory.

    • Ryan Jones Posted: Jun.5 at 4:38 pm
      It’s almost like you people have been listening to me.

    • Teddy-the-Bear Posted: Jun.5 at 8:07 pm
      LMFAO @ the guy way above, who made an argument that the NBA would be protected from “Kwame Browns”. What do you call BJ Mullens?

    • Saku 39 Posted: Jun.5 at 9:49 pm
      BJ Mullens may have been a top ten pick in last year’s draft. This year he might get drafted in the second round. Like what happened to Deandre Jordan. I don’t like Stern but I’m okay with the age-rule; he just wants to make sure players are really as good as advertised.

    • K Posted: Jun.6 at 9:17 am
      Riiight, going to college really helped Michael Olowakandi develop his game. The busts are going to keep coming, regardless of any BS age limit. I like the idea of developing the D-League into a legit minor league though; I think that would be a good middle ground for the NBA to stand on. The NBA could also ensure that all young rookies have sufficient financial counseling.

    • The Promise Posted: Jun.6 at 1:32 pm
      @Justin Walsh: Thanks for the complement. I have my opinions on the game, and I will always stick with them. I’m not a conspiracy kind ofperson, as many of you on this site are. And, I still feel like if a high school kid, black, white, yellow, red, whatever, he should get his opportunity to go pro. Its good for the NBA as well as it is for collge and their coaches. And, K has a point in the post above mine. There are players who are going to be busts, and college is not going to help them. Some guys have it in college, but their game does not transition to the League. This will always happen. You cannot get around it. There will always be a Kwame Brown or a Michael Olawakandi. Sometimes you strike gold with these kids, sometimes you fall flat on your face. Thats why we have the Draft, to have the opportunity to hit or miss on a player. I’m just not a fan of the age limit, never have been, and never will be. It should be the kid’s choice when he goes pro, not the NBA.

    • Justin Posted: Jun.6 at 2:43 pm
      I like the age rule simply because there are too many young cats who have entered the NBA who are athletic as hell but have no game. The NBA is fun to watch, but look how (*#*^ boring each possession is. Same old thing.

    • Teddy-the-Bear Posted: Jun.6 at 9:30 pm
      Co-sign the Promise.

    • Weezy F. Baby Posted: Jun.7 at 3:20 am
      unless u want the next possible lebron james playing in europe let them play here. its tru baseball players…tennis players..anybody who wanna go pro..dont always need college. college is good but u cant discriminate..why nba gotta make them be 19..really?????

    • Steve Posted: Jun.9 at 12:23 am
      The Promise - you are missing the point. NBA isn’t trying to help the players, it is trying to save the owners from themselves!

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