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Thursday, January 7th, 2010 at 9:00 am  |  106 responses

What to Do With Arenas and Crittenton?

by Marcel Mutoni / @marcel_mutoni

With each day passing, this story gets crazier and more absurd. There is, of course, absolutely no doubt that Gilbert Arenas and Javaris Crittenton deserve to be punished by the League for their actions. Firearms have no place in NBA locker rooms. And if found guilty of having committed any crimes, they should face the appropriate legal consequences.

But what about the NBA itself? Has David Stern already gone too far?

Stern and the folks at NBA HQ in New York were under enormous pressure to do something about Arenas and his apparent lack of remorse. The usual suspects in the media were going crazy, predictably calling the NBA a league of thugs, and some even going as far as to suggest that Gilbert be banned for life.

As Arenas continued with his clownish acts, Stern’s hammer came down hard on him, and even though it’s not yet totally clear just how severe the punishment will be, it’s almost guaranteed that Arenas will not set foot on an NBA floor this season, and perhaps longer.

For Crittenton, especially given the latest revelations, things may even turn out significantly worse for him.

There’s a long list of NBA players, coaches, and executives who have done things which can be seen as decidely worse than both Gilbert and Javaris’ bone-headed actions: Stephen Jackson fired his gun outside a strip joint; Sebastian Telfair brought a loaded weapon onto a team airplane; Donald Sterling’s long and shameful record speaks for itself; people have driven while intoxicated; players have spit on fans and thrown them through plate-glass windows; and would someone be kind enough to clarify exactly how Delonte West is “fit to take the court in an NBA game” again?

The list goes on and on. And here’s the thing: None of the people mentioned above faced the kind of swift and painful justice that Arenas (and inevitably, Crittenton) are about to endure.

So, once again, is the NBA doing the right thing here, particularly with Arenas?

They have every right to punish him — and this gives his employer a particularly tidy and mess free excuse to walk away from Gilbert’s massive contract — but they may have taken things to an unnecessary extreme.

In Crittenton’s case, there’s no telling just how far Stern and company will go.

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  • German Reignman

    LOADED Gun in the locker room = LIFELONG Suspension

    Weapons and jokes don’t go hand in hand

  • james

    no ones going to touch crittenton.. he already doesnt play and has been on 4 teams in 2 years…hes done hello europe

  • reidz

    I feel that an important principle is broken when guns is brought and taken out in a NBA arena. Even though it is maybe worse as an isolated event firing gunshots in the air, it something about bringing guns to same place as the fans are… I would definitly support a harsh suspension.

  • Remo Williams

    but driving around town with 3/4 guns on you is cool?

  • http://youforgotthewordnoin3rdsentence eric wit

    With each day passing, this story gets crazier and more absurd. There is, of course, absolutely no doubt that Gilbert Arenas and Javaris Crittenton deserve to be punished by the League for their actions. Firearms have place in NBA locker rooms

    Have NO place in NBA Locker Rooms

  • http://www.twofistedpress.com Pve84

    After reading all of the last thread, I think Allenp made a valid point stating that keeping guns in the locker room is a violation of NBA rules. Most other violations (i.e. drug use, shootings, and choking out P.J.) have been greeted by suspensions thereby establishing a precedent of punishment via suspension. However, I think keeping guns a gun in a locker room is FOOLISH and the NBAs policy on gun related incidents needs to toughen up. Telfair, Jackson, and West should not have gotten off as easy as they did, but I think Arenas put himself into a worse position by bringing and storing guns in an NBA facility in DC with it’s STRICT gun laws. Stern’s prior handling of gun related issues (as well as Sterling and P.J.’s choking) has been inept, but a precedent has to be set and I think it should be set now. Gilbert messed up by bringing guns into the locker room. That alone deserves swift and stiff punishment just as Telfair, Jackson, and West deserved. Unfortunately for Gilbert, he’s the example. Does it seem that Stern is caving to media pressure? Yes. However, that doesn’t change anything. Gilbert needs to be suspended for having guns in the locker room and as many have noted a firmer stance on gun related incidents in the NBA needs to be taken. Suffice it to say that it’s being taken now.

    P.s. Whoever these two sources are should be ashamed of themselves. Issues should be dealt with internally. Leaking inside info to the media is not a good look.

  • http://www.addictedtobeauty.ca/ Kevin

    i think you’re missing a word in the 3rd sentence, 1st paragraph..

  • http://www.addictedtobeauty.ca/ Kevin

    i think you’re missing a word in the 3rd sentence..

  • Fernando

    Don’t we have more important stuff to think about than this?

  • http://www.twitter.com/SportsandaLatte SportsandaLatte

    Gilbert is a mess…both of them and their battle of machismo went way too far. If the story is true by the anonymous sources, then Crittenton should be suspended as well for actually loading and locking! Arenas created a hostile environment and though I am a fan of his, I agree with the suspension. I hope he can redeem his career, though…or at least have some funds saved up and invested some where. Yikes.

  • http://www.slamonline.com barnabusb

    Stern did what’s best for business and dropped the hammer. It sucks for Gil, but it is what it is. Maybe Stern realized that he was too soft on the previous incidents cited, and decided it was time to get tougher? Perhaps the next player to get caught with guns at an airport or whatever will face a more serious punishment now that this precedent has been set.

  • Reality Check

    When did a federally protected right become illegal? Washington DC is getting away with abuses against the Bill of Rights. The NBA doesn’t have some kind of great authority to say who can carry weapons and who can’t. What grants employers the right to deny employees of their safety?

    Now the guy who drew his gun, he should serve a couple years in prison. The NBA should be punished for trying to deny rights. Washington DC should be remanded by the Supreme Court. And we should all go about life a little better off than we were before.

  • Coach’s Corner

    RE: There’s a long list of NBA players, coaches, and executives who have done things which can be seen as decidely worse.

    Just like how people got away with molesting children, beating their wives, or hey having sex with about 20 whores and playing golf. Yeah, there was a whole bunch of stuff that use to be acceptable.

    Wake up to 2010. It’s no longer acceptable that multi-millionaire athletes are actually thugs. Immature thugs at that.

  • Weallknow

    Everyone with two brain cells knows what to do with these guys. Kick them out of the league and make that kind of “staying real” a automatic expulsion with these two jerks being the prime example.

    But…that will never happen. Just like the NFL (National Felon League) the NBA and the illegal activities tied to it make $$$$$ for some who couldn’t care less about what goes on as long as they make $$$$$. That goes for the players too. If what I say isn’t true, there would already be statements from players, coaches, owners & fans against this idiotic behavior. Since there isn’t, I can only conclude that the NBA will soon be widely known as the National Bagmen Affiliated. (Who happen to play hoops.)

    Welcome to more thugs on the court.

  • http://www.tomat3.de chris

    I think a suspention was the way to go.
    West tho should never have been allowed to even start the season.
    Or maybe its just that they want lebron to win a title :x

  • BostonBaller

    It’s a joke if people actually believe Gil when he says it was a joke. This is a legal matter more than an NBA issue. IMO

  • Hussman25

    Arenas deserves fines (by NBA and DC Metro Police) and a season long suspension… Nothing more. (Even tho jail time may be a possibility, but the fact he came out does help) Javaris tho… If the gun was loaded then he’s gone… for good! His career has been pretty much nothing. Never should have came out early in the first place. In this NBA climate, currently there are way too many players taking being an NBA player for granted; these events need to wake the players up BIG TIME! I thougth the brawl in Detroit was a turning point for the league… This may be a bigger story as this not only an NBA but a social issue. Too many FOOLS walkin round with guns and think they are for play-play… I personally think the NBA needs to have some education given to players about gun saftey and the League should mandate that players must register their weapons w/ the league so they will know if ur packing. Some of u may think that is breaching their rights; but with the franchises investing MILLIONS of dollars into these “men” they need to know all activities, both on and off the court. This is why they have these moral and dangerous activitie clauses in the contracts so if a player cuts up, the team can recoup some if not all of the players bonus/salary. This is a debate that will last way pass this season and this may be, TO SOME DEGREE, Define David Stern’s legacy… (It is interesting tho how all the above mentioned issues w/ players were treated… Delonte, Captn Jack, Bassy, etc… and now this takes place and NOW the commish wants to be Judge Joe Brown??? SMH)

  • Needsahcut

    As I understand it Stern had no jurisdiction to deal with all the other NBA gun incidents which occured. The Gil incident is different because it was in an NBA arena. And Gilber is paid more money than I can ever imagine having to play basketball. Is it asking too much that he behaves like a grown up? And when I say grown up I don’ mind his blog and his twitter and all the crazy things he says. But his conduct the last few weeks has left a lot to be desired. Who is giving guidance to this guy?

  • LA Huey

    @Reality Check, the legality of the situation isn’t the core of the controversy (pre-suspension). It’s breaking the rules set forth by one’s employer. Freedom of speech is also a protected right in a public realm and can be limited in private institutions. We have dress codes and codes of conducts to follow in (private/public) business settings.

  • http://www.twofistedpress.com Pve84

    Reality Check, I agree with you to a certain extent. Personally, I don’t support any civilian living in an urban environment where there is no threat from wild animals carrying guns, but still it is a constitutional right. What has been going on in DC is an abuse of that right. However, if an employers owns the building you work in and is paying your salary, they have a right to say what you can and can’t do on their property in the same exact manner that some employers expect their employees to show up to work in business attire.

  • Peter

    Abuse of a “right”? So how is banning guns in an area any different from banning guns in a building, say, an airport, or an office? Its just a law.

  • http://slamonline.com Allenp

    Both players should be suspended, with Stern following the suspension guidelines he set for similar acts involving guns.
    If Arenas stored the weapons in the building (likely with teh knowledge of people in the Wizards’ organization) he should be suspended for violating league rules. His suspension should have a definite length of time like all other suspensions.
    I disagree vehemently with Stern’s assertion that Arenas is “unfit” to play in the NBA. I disagree with his claim that the suspension will last until the NBA’s nebulous “investigation” is complete.
    As for Javaris, if the reports are true about his conduct, he was far more reckless in CHAMBERING A ROUND while in a lockerroom. I would expect his suspension to reflect that.
    Stern has pegged this suspension to morality, not Arena’s rule breaking. This is dangerous. Morality is a shifting morass of ideals for most people. What is widely held to be “common sense” if often just eh most popular bias. The fact that so many people do not see this is disheartening.

  • Dustin

    If I brought 4 hang guns to work I would be fired and likely thrown in jail… end of story. Why the hell should they get a pass? They should be canned and sit in jail. If someone is so fraking dumb that they don’t realize making 110 million over 5 years comes along with some stipulations like keep your noise clean and don’t bring guns to work then he deserves it.

  • KHALID SALAAM

    Both Arenas and Crittenton should be banned from the League for life. Thats it. I said this yesterday not even knowing about the latest info. Now with this in hand i think its an even easier decision. Its inexcusable. They gotta go, its as simple as that.

  • Peter

    Common sense is part of what enables people to live together in a society…a common sense of what is acceptable.

  • http://www.twitter.com/JoshElam JE

    On a lighter note, the Wizards might be bad enough to get John Wall now.

  • tip of texas

    this kid arenas ruined Crittenton’s career, thats sad. all for a damn joke. arenas is a PUNK!

  • tip of texas

    he f’ed up Crittenton’s career, punk.

  • http://slamonline.com YKnot

    All of this is stupid. Media will blow it up like they always do, and Americans will overeact now, and ride the jock of anyone involved should they come back and do well! All of Tigers sponsors will come back after he wins a few majors, Vick is already getting some back. Kobes’ popularity was nonexistent during the Colorado scandal, now he’s back on top cause he’s a winner? This should be handled but, punishments should not be influenced by public opinion since our opinion changes like the wind.

  • http://slamonline.com NUPE

    I don’t think any of the other player issues mentioned are worse than aiming a gun at someone with a threat to use it. The fact that this happened at work is what makes it something for Stern to deal with. I don’t think riding around with 3+ guns is o.k. nor is it alright for a player to shoot his gun in the air at a nightclub. But by know means do these things compare to pointing a gun with the threat to use it. If a coworker of mine was to get arrested for shootig a gun in the air or having a concealled weapon, thay would be a legal issue for him/her but would not mean immediate termination. However, if a coworker had the gun at work, pointed it at somebody and made a threat to use it (loaded or not) – that person would be terminated immediately AND face legal sanctions. My only issue is that Stern didn’t suspend them both immediately. I understand the concerns about due process etc, but if there was ever a case to act swiftly and put process to the side, this is it. Employers have full ‘right’ to limit what it’s employees can and can’t do during work time and on work premises.

  • Sparker

    i assume marcel did not bring up “masturbating in a moving vehicle” out of respect for the departed. his discretion is admirable.

  • LA Huey

    @Allenp i see your issue with Stern basically wielding the hammer of justice by his own judgement and not going by established protocol. But I think he had to react in some form (maybe not an indefinite suspension) soon because of mounting media scrutiny and public pressure in order to do some damage control for the league’s image. (And this coming from a hoop follower in lonely Seattle)

  • http://slamonline.com Allenp

    LA Huey
    Stern could have reacted immediately since Arenas ADMITTED to bringing the guns. The unloaded guns he never pointed at anyone or attempted to fire. He broke the rules, suspend him.
    I don’t have a problem with a suspension, I have a problem with the justification given for the suspension because that sets a ridiculous precedent. But, we shall see if my fears are unfounded.
    Khalid
    You just don’t like guns and you don’t think they should be at work. I don’t share those feelings. Arenas was not brandishing or flashing a weapon. He stored guns at his job. People’s refusal to see the difference in storing guns and showing them to a teammate as opposed to brandishing or threatening a teammate are refusing to consider nuance for their own personal reasons.
    When you eliminate nuance, you eliminate reason.

  • LA Huey

    @Allenp I think I see your point. Although I think he was trying to let the legal process take place as he normally does, the fact that this incident was within his jurisdiction I agree that he should have reacted once the presence of firearms at work was established.

  • Statik

    OK so suspend them both for the rest of the season, a year tops. Stern caved to the pressure and is making this more of a way to smother the fire than to actually deal with the breaking of a company rule. Also, for those that are calling for their heads on a platter, our great country does use judgment in determining the intent of ones actions before handing down punishment. As so many have neglected to notice, there was no brandishing, pointing, or threatening with the gun but rather a really stupid decision of bringing them onto company property. A bit of mercy is shown to those with no intent to harm others when such a grave mistake is made which should not call for punishment in the extreme but one that is relative to the situation in order to correct the mistake and teach the offender(s) a lesson. It would be foolish to allow the media or anyone else to influence how punishment should be delivered

  • http://www.slamonline.com barnabusb

    Stern can do what he wants! Respect his authori-tay!

  • cool j

    Allenp
    There is a nuance between showing guns and showing with an implied threat to intimidate a colleague in order to be reimbursed money owed.
    There are good reasons why guns should not be brought to a sporting arena ,players somtimes talk trash,they do when temper flare have physical confrontations and knowing that some players have their guns in the locker could take things a scary level.
    These 2 clowns should punished severly as to make them an example for all to see!

  • http://nationofmillions.ca ciolkstar

    Gambling between individuals, even for extremely high sums of money, is not illegal. It only becomes illegal if there is a “house” involved. Private persons can gamble as much as they want between friends, but if there is a “house”, against which players bet, like in blackjack or a “rake” being taken from the communal pot in poker game by whoever is hosting the game, then it becomes illegal. In short players gambling with each other on planes is far from illegal.

  • http://www.realcavsfans.com Anton

    Western shootout till the death. There is no other way.

  • Peter

    So Allenp…you think it’s ok to have a gun at work? Barring certain professions where guns are part of the job, why exactly would there ever be a reason to have a gun or any weapon where you work? This seems completely absurd to me, but it does help me understand why you are so outraged by this situation.

  • KHALID SALAAM

    @AllenP: Have you ever been around guns before? Not at a rifle range or at a gun show, i mean in the context have you had a gun or known someone who had a gun? I have been around guns before and i’ll say this–nothing even approaching a joke ever happened. its always serious when a guns around. Obviously Crittenton didn’t think it was so funny did he? Also, have you ever been to a NBA locker room? I’ve been to hundreds. They are surprising cramp for suck large people. At any given moment there are players, team pr guys, towel boys, cameramen and reporters/writers. having a weapon in such a small confined area is a recipe for disaster. Everybody keeps harping on the fact that the gun was unloaded. Do you know how many ppl are shot every year by a gun that was thought to be unloaded? To me blaming Commissioner Stern is avoiding the the real issue. The fact that guns were shown in a context that involves gambling coupled with DC gun laws, coupled with NBA arena guns laws makes this decision easy. All of the people on here who are defending this situation are seemingly blinded. Your appreciation for NBA players has made you guys soft.

  • Nathalie

    here here about delonte

  • http://slamonline.com Allen

    Khalid
    I’ve been around guns quite a lot. Used to ride around with my nine-millimeter in the car before it got stolen. Keep a sawed-off shotgun by the nightstand. I’m somewhat familiar with weapons, and undertand that they shouldn’t be used in a joke.
    But that doesn’t change the fact that that’s what Arenas and Javaris were doing. Javaris threatened to shoot Arenas in his knee over a gambling debt. Arenas left guns by Javaris’ locker and told him to pick one. There was no waving of guns by Arenas. Now, Javaris went further, but I’m giving him a small break because he was provoked by Arenas’ actions.
    Khalid, I live in a state where it’s perfectly legal to carry a concealed hangun if you have the correct permits. So, people bring guns into confined spaces all the time. Yes, guns represent a risk, but then so do cars. Accidents may happen, but just because accidents occur doesn’t make guns bad in an of themselves.
    I think that storing unloaded guns in his locker, the locker that team employees had access to on a regular basis was stupid. But, that doesnt’ mean I think Arenas deserves a lifetime ban because of what “might” have happened. That’s like banning somebody forever because they drove drunk because they “might” have killed someone. Or banning them for gambling on team flights because their debts “might” make them point shave.
    You can’t hand out the ultimate punishment for what “might” have happened. Particulary since you have a situation where a player who CHOKED his coach was only suspended for a year.

  • http://slamonline.com Allen

    I don’t know if my last comment went through, I’ll check back to see if it did and rewrite it if necessary.

  • http://joeloholic.wordpress.com Joel O’s

    Right on, Mr Salaam. I served in my country’s military, and when I went for my first shooting range training, my sergeant told me that if anyone went horsing around with their rifles pointing at each other, to literally give them a kick in the helmet. Even in the most meticulously run rifle ranges, military or not, untold numbers of people lose their lives due to stupid negligence and tiny lapses in discipline.

  • underdog

    Life long ban from the NBA because of a unloaded gun? Sounds a bit harsh for me, but seriously what could you expect in a country where anybody can buy guns so easily. I don’t want to judge nobody, but the weapon laws in the US f’d up big time.

  • http://joeloholic.wordpress.com Joel O’s

    I understand how some of us might see a “lifetime ban” as a bit harsh. I don’t know if it’s ever been done, so it does seem pretty harsh. But imagine if Javaris had started squeezing off some rounds? Getting booted out of the League would have been the LEAST of these 2 guys’ concerns then.

  • http://slamonline.com Allenp

    Joel
    So, people in the military don’t horse around with guns, ever?
    And whenthey do horse around, are they dishonorably discharged after being court martialed, which would be the equivalent punishment?
    Lifetime ban is the NBA death penalty. That’s ridiculous in my opinion. If Latrell Sprewell had kept choking P.J. a little bit longer he would have killed him.
    And Latrell only got a year.

  • http://slamonline.com nbk

    Ron Artest “could have” killed that guy during the malace……Jason Richardson “could have” killed someone in phoenix, on one occasion, and “could have” killed his son in another…….Stephen Jackson “could have” killed someone outside a strip club…..Delonte West “could have” killed a whole bunch of people….None of these people received lifetime bans and they actually were endangering lives

  • http://myspace.com/weezyleezy337 GametimeWeezy

    arenas is a clown. where im from if anybody tried what he did, not paying on a debt and then pullin out a hammer, it wouldnt b considered a joke. nba superstar funny boy got jokes. funny thing is we are all laughing at him and not with him.

  • http://www.michaelcho.com M Cho

    I feel for the rest of the players on the Wizards. Especially Antawn and Caron. They’re vets & have always been pretty mature. Caron, in particular, knows the consequences of having a gun in your locker. Didn’t he have to do time once, taking the rap for someone else’s gun in his locker? It must have been burning him up, going thru deja vu – staying quiet while the same kind of sh*t happened again.

  • KHALID SALAAM

    Like I said, appreciation for NBA players has made too many people on this site soft.

  • TreeTrunks

    ok, maybe not a liftime ban…actually I don’t really care what happens to them and Stern is the boss, so he can whatever punishment he wants…but what I really don’t understand is why do some of these players get in such stupid situations?! I mean don’t they realise are lucky they are? Yes they’re talented, yes they made sacrifices to get where they are, yes they do work hard; but still, aren’t they millions of human beings working as hard & making sacrifices? yet they’ll never earn $111 millions in they lifetime, never mind in 6 f—— years!!! Let’s be real people, who in here would take guns in their work place and start jocking around the way they did? And after gettin found out, who would joke about it the way Gil did? I certainly wouldn’t; They make millions, so just do your job and shut the f—- up, and if u don’t like it go work somewhere else…and don’t start wit all that slave talk like Sheed did a few years back…that’s real disrespectful to all those living in REAL slavery around the world..(yes there’s probably still millions of ‘em…) PEACE

  • LA Huey

    Don’t forget, Shaq could have blinded Brad Miller when he donkey-punched him several years back

  • http://slamonline.com nbk

    nobody thinks what gilbert did was ok. Ya’ll realize that right? Its about the inconsistency’s in David Sterns rulings – Dudes a walking-contradiction

  • http://slamonline.com Allenp

    I don’t even like Gilbert Arenas. I always felt he was a chucker who was protected by the media when he was killing team chemistry because he’s quirky and gives good quotes.
    It ain’t about being soft, it’s about the fact that I don’t believe bringing a gun into the locker room is the worst thing in the world. I don’t even think it compares to physically assaulting a coach. (For the record, I thought P.J. had some blame in that situation, but ultimately you can’t go around choking people. Then again, an editor at the Washington Post can punch out his colleague, and have journalists across the country rush to his defense like it was no big deal, so who knows.)
    I don’t think storing your guns at the Verizon Center is worth being banned from the NBA forever. That’s just crazy to me.

  • Peter

    Comparing cars and guns is completely ridiculous…one is a mode of transportation which you take a certain risk by using. Another is a WEAPON which is completely unnecessary to the situation (using the concealed weapons in confined spaces case). By the way what are the training requirements to buy a gun in the U.S.? Is there a step wise licensing period like with driving?

  • http://slamonline.com nbk

    No its an age thing. For a concealed weapon’s permit you take a class and pass a test

  • http://www.shawn-kemps-offspring.blogspot.com Izzo

    Guns aren’t like cars and a lifetime ban isn’t the death penalty. Is there anything surrounding this whole story that isn’t hyperbolic?

  • http://slamonline.com Allenp

    Izzo and Peter
    You all do not live in the United States. Your attitudes about guns are vastly different from the attitudes of many people in this country.
    Cars kill more people in the United States than guns, every year, particulary cars operated by drunk people.
    If you drive drunk, you are committing a crime that has a high likelihood of causing death or serious injury to someone else. So, if you’re an NBA player, who gets a DUI, should you receive a lifetime ban because you broke the law, the league rules and could have possible killed someone?
    Of course not because that’s stupid.
    Punishing people based on what might have happened is only acceptable in very limited situations. This was not one of them in my opinion.

  • http://slamonline.com nbk

    ^^^ exactly

  • http://dsjfhklf.com Jukai

    Allenp:
    Your car comparison is insane. Cars are not designed to be a weapon. I can’t believe you’re using that comparison. Javaris Crittendon should be banned for life. Arenas should get the remainder of the season.
    There should then be a vast push by the players union to get punishments standardized for all players and not decided by how blood thirsty the media is.

  • Addam

    They both must be banned for life. What kind of example is the NBA setting for black youth in the USA? After the Kobe Fiasco, letting Gilbert play would be a crime against American Inner-city Humanity. Arenas’ street cred would go through the roof and every kid on the playground would be calling out Gil’s name as they shoot (the ball)…

  • http://slamonline.com nbk

    why is it only going to effect black youth? why is this a race thing? Drop THE RACE ISSUE – ALL KIDS EVERYWHERE ARE GONNA GET THE WRONG MESSAGE – but its not the first times, and wont be the last

  • Peter

    Uh Allen I do live in the United States. Although I’m not from here, but the attitude towards guns here is troubling in some respects. There may be more car related deaths than gun related deaths but I bet there are also a hell of a lot people driving than carrying guns…also gun related deaths way higher in the U.S. than in other countries around the world. I come from New Zealand which actually has a high rate of violent crimes, but there are inherently less murder victims because there are simply less guns on the street, which is directly attributable to the availability of guns.

  • http://www.need4sheed.com Tarzan Cooper

    if the latest about javaris cocking a loaded gun is true, hes finished, banned, gone. gil should definitely get a lengthy suspension, but not lifetime. how is delonte “fit to play”? he actually has a severe mental disorder which requires medicine. he went all el mariachi, and got NO PUNISHMENT! it is the extreme inconsistency of stern that is so frustrating.

  • http://www.need4sheed.com Tarzan Cooper

    well, peter, i think population total has to be figured into your equation as well. new zealand? go zorbing, silly kiwi!

  • Peter

    c’mon tarzan…there is a very simple statitistic called “per capita”…one that is even figured into my post in the form of “rate”…don’t be an idiot

  • http://slamonline.com nbk

    thats asking a lot

  • http://slamonline.com NUPE

    Having a gun (loaded or not) at work is worth a long suspension – I don’t think many disagree with this. IF Crit was locked and loaded with his gun, then that’s worth a much heavier penalty in my opinion. IF Arenas never pointed the gun at anyone and his ‘only’ crime was having the guns there, why is he the one being punished before the investigation is even over and who the U.S. Attorney is considering felony charges for? Horseplay with guns is NEVER o.k. and anyone who points and threatens another coworker/teammate with a gun in my opinion deserves a lot more than just a suspension. Maybe Stern saw the video tape and has talked to the witnesses and made a decison from there. I don’t necessarily beleive he needs to wait for the investigation to be over to pass a judgement based on the facts that have been admitted to.

  • http://slamonline.com nbk

    @NUPE he is gonna get a felony just for having guns in the district of columbia

  • http://slamonline.com NUPE

    nbk, why not Crit also then?

  • http://slamonline.com nbk

    Crit is gonna get worse then just a felony. David Stern’s suspension on Arenas was just a move out of anger and frustration. Crittenton will see the worst of this

  • http://slamonline.com Allenp

    Jukai
    My point was simple.
    If you drive a car drunk there is a chance you can kill someone.
    If you bring a gun anywhere there is a chance you can kill someone.
    Why are people so concerned with what “might have happened” with a gun, and not so concerned with a drunk driver?
    Because most people drive drunk, have driven drunk, or have friends who do it. It’s much easier to point the finger when you can say “Oh, I would never do that, that’s just beyond the pale.”

  • http://www.nba.com/playerfile/sean_marks/index.html Michael NZ

    Car analogy is beyond stupid.

  • http://www.manutd.com Z

    wow, the car analogy is incredibly stupid. im shocked that allen would write that.

  • http://slamonline.com Allenp

    Explain to me why it’s stupid because honestly I really don’t see it.
    If we’re punishing Arenas based what might have happened, it makes sense.
    I’m not saying driving a car is the same as carrying a gun. That is stupid.
    I’m saying that driving drunk puts people in just as much danger as carrying a gun into an NBA arena. There is just as much potential for a horrible accident with a drunk driver and handgun.
    So, if an NBA player drives drunk, do they not put other people in significant risk? Could not their actions possibly result in a horrible accident?
    If they are putting people at the same level of risk, which is what I’m arguing, then would not a lifetime ban be justified for them as well.
    Look, if you’re punishing people based on what might have happened because of their stupid actions, it’s a slippery slope. I say punish people for what they did, not based on what might have happened.

  • robb

    What to do. Me? I’m laughing at Gil’s stupidity. He made a mistake like many others before him, but he was unable to realize he made that mistake and he went and joke about it. I mean, what’s up with that???

    Now I know the truth of the Agent Zero nickname, Arenas has Zero intelligence and Zero common sense.

  • Teddy-the-Bear

    Allenp: You’re saying cars are dangerous if people drive drunk.
    What the hell happens when someone gets drunk with a gun in his hand?

  • Teddy-the-Bear

    Allenp: I think JR Smith should have faced far more punishment than Plaxico Burress of the NFL or Gilbert Arenas. JR Smith’s actions were flat out stupid and dangerous, and killed his best friend. I agree, Sports/media rules are so capricious that some stories are made big deals and others are not. Drunk driving should be punished in sports just as much as storing guns, but sadly, it isn’t.
    But Arenas still brought guns to his locker, and then (I’m not exactly sure what happened) decided to play with them. That needs to be dealt with, and I used to like Gilbert Arenas.

  • Teddy-the-Bear

    Allenp’s point, if I’m not mistaken, is that drunk driving is not taken as seriously as it should in Sports Leagues, or even the law itself. I don’t think he’s justifying storing a gun in a locker room and then playing a prank with it on a teammate…

  • http://slamonline.com nbk

    Allen’s point is valid – Teddy being drunk with a gun is not relevant. We KNOW FOR A FACT since these people were arrested and charged that they Drove Drunk. We KNOW FOR A FACT gilbert arenas brought guns w/out ammo to the Verizon Center. You choose ride in my car with me while i drive drunk. Or sit with my friend gilbert while he makes an a$$ out of himself with some unloaded weapons.

  • http://joeloholic.wordpress.com Joel O’s

    @Allenp: They do. And when things go bad, they get punished. But punishment is redundant, and so is “I’m sorry, it was just meant to be a joke” when screwing around with a GPMG which you thought was unloaded ends up tearing a hole in your bunkmate’s chest.

  • http://joeloholic.wordpress.com Joel O’s

    @Allenp: I’ve read your posts and you’ve got valid arguments. I think Stern is being harsh here myself, but I also think that from his perspective, this is something that has to be done. Because Stern can’t afford another gun incident like this ever happening again, ever, so he’ll do whatever it takes to make sure it won’t. Even if it means turning Gilbert into an example.

  • http://slamonline.com nbk

    that too is hypothetical. gilbert shouldn’t be punished for hypothetical situations. hypothetical situations also shouldn’t justify blaming him for hypothetical situations. If hypothetically speaking as you guys love to do it, jason richardson drove his drunk a** into the light rail and killed 15 people would you still be arguing that what gilbert arenas did was worse? even if he did have a hypothetical bullet in his gun, and hypothetically shoot his bunkmate in the chest. what would be worse?

  • http://slamonline.com nbk

    light bulb

  • READ

    @German Reignman ARENAS’ WASN’T IOADED

  • Teddy-the-Bear

    Good point, nbk.

  • http://dsjfhklf.com Jukai

    NBK: A car is a tool made for transportation. A gun is a tool made for killing. That’s the end all difference. Teddy has a point, regardless if you choose to acknowledge it or not. The comparison was very dumb, and I mostly am in agreement with what Allen is saying.

  • Bryan

    To anyone who ‘doesn’t see what the big deal about storing your guns at your place of business is’…..I am just amazed. The low level of intelligence it would take not to understand how stupid and dangerous it would be first of all, and second, how your employer then has every right to punish you as he/she sees fit.

    I really hope some legal action is taken here and a few heads (Gil’s and Critt’s) roll. The excuse making being spewed out by some of you apologists around here is pathetic.

  • DMC14

    They dont bring cars inside the locker room. Please dont give Arenas life bann, he only just came back.

  • buppie

    Steven A. Smith said it all.
    Stern will be the villain and Arenas the victim.
    Hard to imagine a more thoughtless and just plain stupid individual as Arenas. To play it off like he did in Philly is stupid on a staggering level. It is aggravating to hear people on sports talk radio say that “he’s just a kid”. The man is an adult.
    A very stupid adult. Fire him. He can always play in Europe.

  • buppie

    One other quick point: In NO way is pointing a weapon (loaded or not) at anybody a PRANK.
    What pretzel logic even allows a person to consider that a prank?

  • way up north

    i agree with pretty much everything allenp is saying, people are going to have differences of opinions on gun laws, thats no big surprise… but with all this arenas bs can someone please explain to me how delonte west is “fit to play in the nba” (it had to have been mentioned already, but i didnt read all the comments), i think thats where people like myself and allenp have a problem with stern and what hes doing… i got love for dwest but what gil did isnt nearly as scary as what Desperado delonte did, and he was in the district too, correct? Is stern basically saying that if gil had come out and said he’s bipolar instead of joking about the situation he wouldnt have been suspended and the media would have treated him as a tortured soul? Cause that’s what i’m getting out of it… granted guns don’t belong in an arena, or any work environment, but stern has never liked gil and his candor and this just seems like an excuse to get rid of him for good. And what was bassy’s suspension for bringing a LOADED gun on a maf*(kin team plane? like 5 games? Is what david wesley and bobby phills did more or less dangerous than gil’s dumba$$ joke? no disrespect to the deceased but drag racing, intoxicated or not, puts way more lives at risk than gil bringing unloaded guns to work. I’m pretty sure i’d be more offended if someone hit me with their car while they was drag racing than if a zany jokester layed out three unloaded guns in front of me and told to pick one, after i already threatened to shoot him in his injured knee…… Was my main man captain jax FIRING a gun at a strip club more or less dangerous than gil’s unloaded guns? the spreewell argument is also valid, that was legitimate assault on a COACH and he only got a year. We all know what gil did was wrong, but really does anyone think he ever intended to hurt anyone? does that fit with his personality at all? an unloaded gun in a locker room is stupid, but there are much more dangerous offenses that stern has let slide without nearly as much coverage/punishment… i just want some consistency to these punishments is all. and yes, i am a huge arenas fan, i lost some respect for him with this whole thing, but really it wasnt all that shocking that he would make a stupid joke that never should have been done in the first place that got blown way out of proportion, because really thats what gil is all about, the 39 ft jumpers, the unfiltered blogs, predicting 50 pt games… hes someone that doesnt necessarily think before he acts/speaks but he isnt evil, remember this is the same dude everyone LOVED three years ago because of his antics, as well as his game… and im now the only one in the office besides the the cleaning people and drifting away from my o.g. point, so im out

  • Yesse

    Well it could be the right suspension, but comparing to other star’s with gun’s and their problem’s i dont think it is the right one.

  • Ronald

    You guys realize that the indefinate suspension has NOTHING to do with storing guns right? It was more his attitude than anything. If it was the guns, then supposedly half the NBA would be suspended indefinately. Was Crittenton even suspsended? He had a gun.

  • http://slamonline.com nbk

    Ronald – Crittenton isn’t active to begin with. Hasn’t played this season. Whats there to suspend?

  • Ronald

    You can still suspend a player on the inactive list. He’s still getting paid sitting on the IR.

    Sure, he might not be playing, but hes getting paid and he’s equally guilty.

  • http://slamonline.com deshawn

    thanks way-up-north.
    the extra time @ work was well invested.
    and as far as the guns/cars analogy-thanks jukai&nbk,well sorted out.not exactly the point allen wanted to make i´m afraid,but still..
    to me two bothersome points remain in all of this-
    one being the blatant inconsistency as mentioned approx 85times already(and the IMO wrong motivation behind it)and the other being many of you guys´ obvious obsession with firearms.
    what constructive contribution to society has ever become of gun-ownership of a private person?
    and PLEASE dont start with it being your right..
    i´ll say it again-grow up already and get some self confidence.

  • Lazaruz

    can someone explain to me why a short cracker who has never shot a bball in his life is in charge of the nba?

  • http://dsjfhklf.com Jukai

    deshawn: There really is no evidence that gun availability increases or decreases crime. So, really, you’re just hypothesizing.

  • http://dsjfhklf.com Jukai

    I really think a lot of you guys talking about guns and crime reallllly should read up on the matter. Don’t just spout out the politics of your own country.

  • http://alimartin07@yahoo.com Ali

    Guns, with or without bullets, loaded or not, have no place in your work place. I don’t give a damn where you are from in the world. You better have a police/security/sheriff or other law offical badge! You don’t play/joke around with guns! PERIOD! They deserve whatever is they get. Stop bringing in other peoples situation to Gil and Critt’s. Each one has their own specific laws that apply, none of them are the same! The crimes/incidents are not the same! Like said yesterday, Bottom line, You don’t f*** around with gun! Ya’ll fellaz have a nice weekend. ONE!

  • http://slamonline.com deshawn

    oh please,jukai-don´t play the “no-evidence”-card..this really ain´t about national politics,but rather common sense..
    cause you resort to that card,scientifically there´s really no safe evidence that the sun melts snow,or butter,as we both know..

  • http://roger.agincourtmedia.com/ Roger

    I love Gil, but this should be at least a season-ender for him… and Javaris, well, say hello to Europe for me, dude. After The Malice, there’s just no way Stern can go easy on a player bringing guns into an NBA arena.

    S-Jax and Delonte didn’t do their deeds in an NBA facility, so I can understand going lighter on them even though their actual behavior was more socially unacceptable. With that said, I suspect that if anyone decides to get pulled over with an arsenal in his car from here on out, or tries playing Yosemite Sam outside The Palomino, they will find that the relatively kindly Uncle David of years past has decided to toughen up his love.

  • http://slamonline.com nbk

    No Matter what happens Sebastian Telfair bringing a loaded weapon to a team flight falls under the exact same rule. And he sat out what 1 game?

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