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Thursday, September 30th, 2010 at 9:00 am  |  436 responses

LeBron James: Race Factor in Post-’Decision’ Backlash

by Marcel Mutoni / @marcel_mutoni

When Team LeBron somehow came to the conclusion that it would be a good idea for James to announce his free agent decision during a 1-hour live television event, everyone (except for them) realized that things would never be the same.

The resulting fallout was immediate, loud, and ultimately predictable. According to LeBron and his best friend Maverick Carter (who serves as CEO of their marketing company), the public and media didn’t just turn on LBJ just because he’s bad at creating television programming — they claim that race played a role in some of the vitriol.

The topic was briefly discussed by the two on CNN last night. The Akron Beacon Journal has the pertinent quotes:

Maverick Carter admitted in an interview Wednesday night on CNN the execution of the “Decision” could have been better. LeBron James is proud of the $3 million the show raised for the Boys & Girls Club. Both men believe race has played a factor in the backlash James has received.

“I think so at times,” James said. “It’s always, you know, a race factor.” Added Carter: “It definitely played a role in some of the stuff coming out of the media, things that were written. For sure.” To be fair, the race question was posed by CNN reporter Soledad O’Brien. It was asked about halfway through the segment, both men answered separately and the piece proceeded with no further mention.

There’s been some discussion about the role of race and culture in the unrelenting post-”Decision” analysis, but this is the first time that anyone from the James camp has addressed the issue, making it significant since LeBron typically steers clear of such controversial subjects.

So, what do you guys think: Did people do a 180 on LeBron James because of the way he left Cleveland, or is he on to something when he brings up the race factor?

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  • Conoro

    He would say that. Fits with every other uninformed thing he’s ever said.

  • http://Www.slamonline.com Myles Brown

    “Im not a shamelessly narcissitic primadonna, they’re just racist!” Well. Glad that’s settled.

  • http://www.slamonline.com Eboy

    I don’t know….I read on article on ESPN a week ago and that writer referenced how a sampling of inner-city African-Americans still had Lebron’s back, so to speak. I look it like this, there’s stupid whites, stupid African-Americans, stupid Latino’s…..not everyone can form rational thought.

  • Conoro

    Well said, sir.

  • http://www.slamonline.com Wayno

    LMAO @ Myles…I really can’t believe he thinks that his actions don’t account for 99.99999% of the reason that people stopped liking him. I mean, I think it’s awesome that he donated the $3 million to charity, but most people agree that the whole “decision” stunt was just a d*ck move. Pulling race into this whole thing makes him look extremely ignorant.

  • BK Chris

    I don’t think race played a factor in this and I’m usually the type to point things like that out. People can say Gilberts rant was a bit racist, but if you take into account how Lebron went about leaving you would know that peoples reaction would have been the same regardless of what race he is.
    Theres typically the double standard in sports that nobody seems to speak of. For example when a White quarterback throws an interception into double coverage, he’s considered a fearless Gunslinger, but when a black quaterback does it he’s a moron.

  • http://Myspace Shanoooooo

    No Race factor. Most people had decisions in their mind already of where they wanted Lebron to go. So if he didnt go where you expected him to or wanted him to go then those people did a 180 on him. Others did it because they didn’t like how he went about the whole thing, being an hour special and all. To me though Lebron is a frontrunner. He believed he couldnt get it done (Win Championships) so he went somewhere (Mia) it has been done before with a player (Dwade) who has done it.
    Lebron has so much talent that he didn’t have to team up with another superstar to win a title but now you’ll never know. He can’t be mentioned with Mj or Kobe anymore cause even tho he is as talented as those guys he doesn’t have the same fire to win. Therefor he’s trying to take the easy way.

  • ClydeSays

    Race? Really? I mean, maybe but I don’t think so. I was talking to a friend about this yesterday. We both thought if LBJ had done a simple 30 min. news conference, thanked the fans of Cle, announced his decision & took questions from the press, it would have been a very different situation. But the huge build-up, the fact that LBJ didn’t give any clue as to what he would do to his coaches, teammates ownership or fans really took people by surprise.

    The showcase he & his team put together just rubbed people the wrong way. Brett Fauve (retired/not retired/undecided) and ARod (announcing his massive contract extension in the middle of a World Series) were similar attention hungry stunts that could have easily been done in a better way.

    Free agency in the NBA was a hard fought issue, and at the end of the day, LeBron is and should be free to do whatever he wants as a free agent. But Sports are basically entertainment. And entertainment relies on an audience to keep it going. It seems like some of the biggest sports figures have forgotten that…

  • http://www.runninglikwidworks.com MrRLW

    Does racism still exist in America? Of course.

    Was race a factor in the post-’decision’ backlash?
    DA’F#@K ?!?!? You’re kidding me right? Bet money, Lebron received a phone call from David Stern after he and Maverick Carter made this statement. This is a slippery slope, w/no merit IMO, that Stern does not want one of the faces of the league to even play with. Another bad move by Team Lebron, smh.

  • Conoro

    However, James saying this means he falls under that umbrella of stupidity. Sure, there are those within each race who went overboard in their respective hatred, but it was initiated entirely by his classless Decision. Through his spoken logic, I guess Magic and Jordan were racially motivated in their opinions…

  • barry melrose

    If Dirk had done the same thing as LeBron, he would be just has hated. Therefore, race is not a factor.

  • Andy

    I believe race does not play into this. I am not a racist, but i can tell you guys one thing : the manner in which James left, and embarresed an entire city and franchise while oding so, has nothing to do with race. Truth is, he handled the situation incredibly stupidly, at least for a dude who cites guys like Warren Buffet as inspiration. And that Maverick Carter dude, he’s a complete moroon as far as PR consultants go.

  • http://www.hoopsvibe.com/features/overdribbling chiqo

    i’m black and i think it was an idiotic decision. try again, sir.

  • JTaylor21

    It played a part to the hatred that seemed to come out of no where, because I remember a few hours after the decision they were a few articles and no one was angry then I woke up the next morning and you would’ve taught Bron had shot the president or something. It was amazing and fishy to me how it seemed that everyone and they mama was furious and angry to unseen levels. Favre does this every f*cking year but still no one gets mad or angry at him. MVick and Pac-Man were suspend for the whole year before they were even convicted of a crime while BRottenburger damn near raped two broads and gets only 4 games, also a receiver for the jags was caught red-handed or should I say white nosed cooking and cutting up crack and he gets sent to a “rehab” center. RACISM is alive and kicking in america till this day and anyone that disagrees needs to find the nearest bridge and jump.

  • http://Www.slamonline.com Myles Brown

    Agree wit you E-Boy. All nationalities have assholes, point blank. I’m black but I hate playing the race card all the time. Sometimes yes, but every damn time something happens race is thrown in. I’d be the first 2 jump on that but I just don’t see it. I think people black, white or whatever were genuinely hurt by the decision thinking that there’s no way he could do that, shit look at Mo Williams. But looking at their practice yesterday I finally realize he made the right decision, it just looks right & P.S I’m a laker fan but above all I’m a fan of the game so no lebron-Kobe debate here.

  • Mike Mihalow

    Race has nothing do to with being a douche.

  • http://www.slamonline.com peter

    It’s hard to comment on what factor race plays in the way white NBA fans react to players decisions since 95% of the players worth reacting to are black.

  • JTaylor21

    It played a part to the immense hatred that seemed to come out of no where, because I remember a few hours after the decision they were a few articles and no one was angry then I woke up the next morning and you would’ve taught Bron had blown up a bus full of school kids or something. It was amazing and fishy to me how it seemed that everyone and they mama was furious and angry to unseen levels. Favre does this every freaking year but still no one gets mad or angry at him. MVick and Pac-Man were suspend for the whole year before they were even convicted of a crime while BRottenburger damn near r*ped two broads and gets only 4 games, also a receiver for the jags was caught red-handed or should I say white nosed cooking and cutting up cr*ck and he gets sent to a “rehab” center. RACISM is alive and kicking in America till this day and anyone (all you ignorant folks above me) that disagrees needs to find the nearest bridge and jump.

  • http://hishamhamad@hotmail.com Hisham

    If race was a factor at all, it was a very small one. There will always be racist a*holes in this world, but playing the race card is a bit of a reach in this situation. The backlash was the emotional reaction of a group of people feeling disillusioned and betrayed by their superstar. he was black when they loved him wasn’t he? did it matter then? why should it matter that he is black now that he left them?

  • T-Money

    So Vince Thomas and Bomani Jones can say it but not LeBron himself? The stats show that negative Q score didn’t move amongst Blacks but plunged with Whites. Actually, there were reports in the Cleveland PD that Blacks in Akron and Cleveland didn’t show any animosity toward him. Everybody was disappointed about the tv show but most Blacks didnt get angry with the decision and certainly didnt think of burning jerseys and putting up billboards. This is not coming out of thin air. Yes – race was not The factor (its never that simple) but it certainly was A factor. You could also draw some interesting comparisons with The way Brett Favre is perceived by the same demos.

  • http://www.threadsandkicks.com.au Eduardo

    Got nothing to do with Race. He’s trying to divert the subject. I can’t remember Michael, Magic, or Barkley being white?

  • http://www.hoopsvibe.com/features/overdribbling chiqo

    i think there’s a difference in an outside observer saying something than lebron saying it. my bigger problem is that he’s blaming race and not acknowledging that it was a dumb idea. sure he raised money for the boys and girls club, that’s great. but can he not admit that it probably wasn’t the best way to go about things? don’t make excuses, own it.

  • Card

    Lebron didn’t say that race was the only factor or even the main factor. However, you are blind to the world if you believe that race has played zero role in the over the top backlash. Even a reasonable person should concede it’s at least 10%.

  • http://Www.slamonline.com Myles Brown

    Can we keep things in their proper context? Vinces articles merely stated that some blacks were more likely to defend one of their own. That doesn’t mean that everyone else hated him because he was black. Big difference.

  • JoeMaMa

    I think, aside from that comment, we should all smile at the fact that LeBron James gave $3 million to a good charitable cause. That’s a TON of money, and it’ll help ALOT of children. WELL DONE. And as for his comment? Even if race was a factor, it was a negligible one. Ego played the dominant role (though you can’t hate “the decision” if you watched it…unless you had nothing else to do in the world, including slapping your own face for an hour), as did the perceived ‘backstab’ Cleveland felt (despite him making an open and free decision). But maybe he was just referring to the human race. Or his bicycle race.

  • yes

    Yes, it was a bad decision and there would have been backlash regardless but as far as the public’s overall perception, race definitely plays a part. I’m not talking SLAM readers, I’m talking the average, middle American, casual sports fan. In the recent poll that has him as the #6 most hated athlete, Ben Roethlisberger was #8.

    Is the reason to hate Lebron worse than the reason to hate Big Ben? Really? T.O & Ocho were also above Ben on that same list, by the way.

  • IAMORANGE4EVER

    Both men believe race has played a factor in the backlash James has received. “I think so at times,” James said.

    Wanna bet one of those times LeBron is thinking of was when Dan Gilbert blew his top post-Decision, which in essence created a lynch mob atmosmphere for LeBron and his family in Cleveland. And NO I am not saying Dan Gilbert is a racist, but the people he “fired” up, may have revealed some underlying racism.

  • MikeC.

    If Dirk were at a point in his career where his talents were peaking and he was entering his prime, winning back to back MVP awards and playing on the best regular season team and championship contender, and then pulled a “Decision”, I agree. He’d be equally hated. At this point in his career, after putting so much into trying to carry the Mavs to a championship, the level of hatred wouldn’t be the same if he said “You know guys, I don’t think I can get it done here and I want a ring”. I think the main reason why Lebron is so hated right now is that we all wanted him to be the next Jordan. To care about winning, but also to care about destroying and crushing his rivals. Since Lebron waved the white flag so early in his career (dude hasn’t even hit his prime yet), it seems that he’s given up on greatness. As sports fans, we don’t hate Karl Malone for ring-chasing at the end of his career, and I don’t think we’d hate Dirk for doing it either because his window is almost closed. Seeing Lebron give up so early is a letdown for us as fans. We were all looking into the future and hoping for ECF clashes of Wade & Bosh vs Lebron & Whoever he lured to Cleveland/Whoever he teamed up with in NY/Chi/NJ. If he’d just doing a regular press conference, we’d have felt disappointed and there would still be hate, but not at this level. As a fan of the game, I’m disappointed that Lebron’s lack of fire and fear of failure has robbed us of great playoff clashes. Hopefully Lebron learns one thing from this: hire a manager to manage his managers.

  • ManofGod131

    Kind of agree with Bron on this one. Brett Favre has had the sports world on a string every year for a couple of years wondering whether he will retire or not. Not nearly the same backlash because he’s the country boy, gunslinger quarterback. Some people don’t like seeing a Black man as the most popular name in sports having all of this power. Power to do what he wants with his career. It’s not completely because of his race. He did fumble the ball a bit with the whole ESPN special. But a little bit of the backlash is rooted in race whether one wants to believe it or not.

  • Josh

    Unfortunately race plays into everything, even on a subconscious level. If it was Wayne Gretzky doing this in Canada (I’m Canadian) do you really think everyone would be calling him a di*k. He got some backlash when he bolted to the L.A. Kings but he’s also been inducted into the order of Canada which is the highest civilian honor. Anyways, when LBJ starts dominating the league and doing amazing things on the court again everyone will just enjoy the spectacle for what it is. Entertainment.

  • twinparadox

    seriously?! He brings race into this…it’s like adding wood to the fire…right now he can’t make yourself look any better unless he wins a ring…maybe it has to take three to change people’s minds…get to work bron

  • JTaylor21

    @Myles but the MAJORITY of people that hated him and were seen burning sh*t up like it was the 60s were WHITE, big difference. I think that people like to live in denial and just ignore what’s going on right in front of them. Racism is like an elephant in the room; it’s there, people see it but they choose to ignore it or look the other way and act like it’s invincible.

  • http://www.google.com/news BETCATS

    One name to prove this isnt about race: Brett Farve. He is white and every time he calls a press conference other white people get pissed with him too. Dont try and deflict making a bad desision by saying it is the honkys fault. I dislike you too.

  • http://hishamhamad@hotmail.com Hisham

    Also, I disagree that he took the easy route to a championship by teaming up with the other two stars. There is no guarantee whatsoever that this team will ever win anything, and in the meantime the pressure to win a championship immediately will be the greatest that he has ever experienced. I think it’s ridiculous to say that he can’t be counted among the greats anymore because he chose to play with great players.

  • Madness

    “Favre does this every year”? Are you seriously making this idiotic comparison? First of all, the Packers organization won before Favre, and will win after him, unlike the Cleveland Cavaliers. Second, Favre WANTED TO RETURN TO THE PACKERS when he initially decided to unretire a few years ago, however they had already named Rogers the starter and wanted to stick with him, forcing Favre to sign with another team if he still wanted to play. Michael Vick was responsible for the violent and inhumane treatment of dogs, I guarantee had he been white, yellow, green, red, or blue, he would have been come down on just as hard in the media for that, and rightfully so. Pac-Man Jones was a repeat offender, was always in the wrong place at the wrong time, not necessarily his fault but once again, he would have been scrutinized just the same had he been white. The race card has been played out people. It’s time that we all step up and take responsibility for our actions – blacks, whites, latinos, everybody, and STOP MAKING EXCUSES!!!

  • Dave

    Some of the radical opinions was certainly due to a race element. He is too powerful for some people’s liking.

    And him being on the most hated list, while guys like Favre who do this every year is on most loved. Ben Rothelisberger is always on the most loved. There certainly is some racist elements.

  • Hedo Turkeyglu

    It was about race “human race.” In this case, these clowns saw how much they blew their PR and are now trying to blame it on anything but themselves.

  • Dave

    @Betcats, Favre is on the most loved athlete list, while Lebron is on the most hated.

  • http://Www.slamonline.com Myles Brown

    Those WHITE people were also from CLEVELAND. And they hated Art Modell just as much.

  • http://thekobebeef.wordpress.com LDR4

    Pretty sure that the backlash would be just as strong if say Peyton Manning did the same thing.

  • jwise

    Owners wants were a little racist and please dont bring kobe who would’ve been a bull right now had the lakers not demanded deng in the deal and that was only after a year without another all star or did everyone forget the YouTube stuff before jerry west gave the lakers gasol…kg regrets not leaving min earlier teams w one star never win championships esp with the lakers and Celtic who have 3 or 4 all nba players and who would have been locked in for finals again and might still end up that way this yr

  • JTaylor21

    Please don’t even try to bring Favre into the they hate him too crap. Yes some people get mad but not EVERYONE under the sun gets furious and starts burning sh*t and throwing immense amount of venom his way; that’s exactly what happened to Bron. What favre does is 1000 times worst than anything Bron has ever done, so with TO and Ochocinco but those guys are hated everywhere. Ignorance is contagious and a lot of you people are infected.

  • ManofGod131

    @BETCATS, deflict is not a word buddy. Do you seriously think that the hatred that LeBron is getting now just for changing teams as a free agent is warranted? All of this can’t be just because he’s wearing a different uniform now. Those people in Cleveland who were burning his jersey, are they THAT serious about winning? Dan Gilbert’s letter had racism bleeding from it profusely. He might as well have called LeBron his slave. How can one man go from being the most well-liked superstar since Jordan and two days later, he’s one of the most hated? Just for changing teams? No, this is somewhat rooted in race. If you are an African American male and do not see any racism in this, you have a serious problem.
    @Hisham Let’s be serious. They will win a few championships. Especially when Kobe and the Lakers are done.

  • http://slamonline.com The Black Rick Kamla

    definitely some underlying racist sentiments…as there always is. I’m not too politcally correct to bring it up either. Fact is if a black person achieves a certain position of wealth/fame, people (meaning the media first and foremost, and a good portion of the general pop.) will praise whatever he can do, or better, whatever he can do for them, but in general there will always be those negative underlying feelings towards him (i.e. the Q ratings for the most hated athletes are all black). Cleveland never loved Lebron, they loved the fact that he made there city relevant. The media and general American pop. never loved Michael, they just loved the fact that he was able to entertain them. Those are just the first names coming to my mind this morning, but think of any famous black entertainer or public figure, who fell from the grace of the American public and you’ll get my idea. Black people will always support black public figures….its been like that since the times of slavery. If any black man/woman is able to reach a certain level of success/achievement its going to be extremely tough for black people, a minority group who so much public persecution/restriction in history, NOT to support him/her period. Its been like that for years….

  • http://slamonline.com The Black Rick Kamla

    sorry if i got too ‘racial’ for some of you, just my thoughts

  • T-Money

    Myles – this is how Vince starts his article: “Yes, there are undeniable racial components to the LeBron James hate of the past two months.” / Again here, NOBODY said that everyone that hates LeBron is racist or the reason they hate him is because he’s Black – he said that race played a factor. Am I the only one that sees a nuance there? The level of vitriol was not the same amongst Blacks and Whites. That’s what Vince and Bomani argued. And I agree.

  • http://slamonline.com Kap

    Race? Really? I’m sick of guys like Carter setting black folks back about twenty years with sh*t like this. We hate you and Lebron because you all are cocky jerks who thinks the world should bow down to you. Now the hate towards Michael Vick is a different story. That’s definitely because of race.

  • MikeC.

    In other news, Lebron’s elbow is fine now.

  • http://Www.slamonline.com Myles Brown

    And what exactly is that nuance? The reasoning behind the backlash is that it was ill timed, inconsiderate and self serving, no matter how much the Boys and Girls club got. Of course some whites only liked him because he was “theirs” and once they lost him their true feelings surfaced, but I think most people can agree that jerks come in all colors. Like Benetton!

  • http://slamonline.com Yknot

    Of course it wasn’t racist, we live in a post racial society right? It’s just coincidence that the Q rated most hated atheletes are Lebron, Kobe, Tiger, T.O., Ochocinco, and not say….Rothlisberger?

  • JTaylor21

    It’s crazy to me when people try to act like racism didn’t play a factor into the immense amount of anger seen since the decision. Someone said that if PManning did the same thing, people would hate him too, HELL NO, PManning is just like favre, rottenburger and all those white QBs, they can do NO wrong in america’s eyes and are given free passes for everything they do. Where was all the anger and hate when it came out that Ben had “allegedly” r*ped two broads, NONE but when Kobe had his problems, people were angry and furious. Now tell me that those two guys race wasn’t a factor in the way they were treated.

  • webstarr

    JTaylor, so these white folk were burning Lebron’s jersey because they were so frustrated to see a player leave who was black? Huh? I don’t even understand how you could be a racist and a basketball fan. You support your notion of white supremacy by watching mostly black dudes do unbelievable sh** on a basketball court? There’s a sport for racists: NASCAR.

  • http://Www.slamonline.com Myles Brown

    Kobe, Tiger etc. also are the most popular. And they’re polarizing because of their wandering d*cks. Not their race.

  • http://Www.slamonline.com Myles Brown

    Rothlisberger was never as popular as Kobe either. The bigger they are, the harder they fall. This isn’t a new concept. Some intellectual honesty would be nice…

  • JTaylor21

    WWebstarr, What in the HELL are you talking about? But I’ll play along; I’m as white as lindsay lohan is sober, CHILD PLEASE. Who the hell are you calling a racist, did you even read any of my post DAMN. I’m sounding like X and look like him and you’re calling me white, HAAA HAAA.

  • webstarr

    Man when Deshawn Stevenson was drafted to the Jazz, there was this story about how he bagged a chick who was like 17 when he was in college. You know why Utah (if any state hates black people, it’s Utah) didn’t really care? Because he was a garbage player. Why did people care when it was Kobe? Because it was Kobe. Even AI had some crazy domestic violence but it was mostly brushed off because people said, “well, it is Iverson.” Racism is not at all gone, but every time a black dude is in a corner, doesn’t mean he ended up there because he’s black. Some times he’s just an a**hole

  • http://www.google.com/news BETCATS

    @ManofGod131 – im just as famous for my opinions as i am for my typos; i meant deflect. I use internet explorer, move on. Im guessing you are just like Jesse Jackson, who thought it was more important to critize Dan Gilbert than it was to stand up for Oscar Grant. Keep on marching for people that dont care about us and use us as pawns. I am at the point where if a person wants to critize my flaws as a person i let them, race doesnt matter for that. Lebron had a lot of flaws in his action. Dan Gilbert cant be mad Lebron went on tv to announce he was leaving and to Gilbert that investment in ‘Lebron James THE BRAND’ (not the person) was leaving with him. Millions of dollars out the door. Of course the man is going to be mad. Lebron himself has turned into a dual role of Lebron the Person and Lebron the Brand. I dont have a problem with Gilbert being mad, i was pissed off that he used Comic Sans to express his point though.

  • John

    Webstarr, racists have always enjoyed watching blacks perform for them. People are really missing the point, though. Of course everyone’s hatred (why should you *hate* him anyway?) of him isn’t race related. But to act like race isn’t a factor at all is ridiculous.

  • webstarr

    I didn’t mean you literally JTay, I meant one who is a racist. I doubt that you yourself are one of the people I’m talking about because, like I said, you are a basketball fan.

  • burnt_chicken

    Cleveland has two especially reveiled athletic personages, one black, one white. While many Clevelanders HATE LeGone, they WANT TO FREAKING KILL Fart Modell. So, while race is alays going to be an issue as long as we insist on demarcating ourselves as being different, in this case race is a secondary or tertiary concern. The primary one, by FAR, is BETRAYAL. And that $hit is colour blind.

  • ManofGod131

    @Myles Actually, Tiger is not well-liked anymore, don’t know where you have been for the past 9 months or so. And Kobe will never be as well-liked as he was before he cheated on his wife and was accused of sexual abuse. Both of those sentiments are rooted in the idea of the sexual predator Black man that is a widely held belief still in this country. They just cheated on their wives which people men do a lot. And what makes him a jerk? He left Cleveland? And what was ill timed? He was a free agent lol. The Decision wasn’t a jerk move, it was just a bad PR move.
    @Yknot Great point about Roethlisberger
    @webstarr It’s easy to be racist as a basketball fan. You could believe that you own the guy you’re watching and his job is to entertain you or make you money if you’re Dan Gilbert. Once he exercises his free will and leaves a team to play for a better team, your racist views show themselves and you, oh I don’t know, decide to burn a jersey or two.

  • JTaylor21

    @Myles, what’s your excuse for TO and Ocho being there then, also Favre is immensely popular and his name is no where to be found, so don’t use the “because they are popular” line. So Rottenburger wasn’t a wandering d*ck when he ra*ed two broads? Go back and look for a better excuse.

  • T-Money

    The hate that Clevelanders had for Art Modell is completely irrelevant to this argument. From a purely theoretical perspective, a racist can also hate people of his race (I AM NOT SAYING THAT ANYBODY IS RACIST). / webstarr: No black man would have burned his jersey. I could have read an article about that without seeing the video footage and I would have bet mony that the people burning the jersey were white. that’s part of the racial undertone: the level of vitriol for an event that is somewhat benign (a free agent signing with a new team). dan gilbert talking like he owned a free agent was also bizarre and made some blacks feel uncomfortable. / quite frankly, this is not that controversial to me – race played a role in the level of anger resulting from lebron’s decision and the stats back it up. the infamous negative q score that everyone’s talking about was vastly different amongst blacks and whites.

  • http://slamonline.com Kap

    I guess race does factor in but I don’t think in Lebron’s case though. Look how the media covered Roger Clemens compared to Barry Bonds or the resentment to Vick. In Lebrons case he just came off as a narcissistic prick plus the fact the way ESPN covers him rubs people the wrong way. I thought the brown nosing from ESPN would stop after “The Decision” but its seems worse because they only talk about him when they cover the Heat.

  • http://www.google.com/news BETCATS

    I have to go to my next class. But this is getting interesting….

  • ManofGod131

    @BETCATS
    Dan Gilbert was invested in LeBron the person. The person creates the brand so you can’t really separate the two. He was a millionaire before he got the Cavs and he will be a millionaire now that his prize player is gone. So he couldn’t have been that angry just because he was going to lose some money. The only flaw in LeBron’s action as you put it was the tv special. But that made $3 million dollars for the Boys and Girls Clubs so I don’t know how much of a total mistake it was. Understand who LeBron is. He makes decisions for himself. No one influences him. He was ready for the backlash as long as he made money for charity.
    @webstarr AI’s situation was brushed off because his wife came out and said that it wasn’t true, not because people said “Well, it’s AI.”

  • http://www.google.com/news BETCATS

    I will say this: racial connotations and racism are 2 different things. What is meant and where the mind associates an action are 2 different things. But they are intertwined in the way we look at a situation. All im saying is, the white people burning jerseys were burning them for reasons other than race.

  • hammer

    I’m not saying race never is a factor. But n the case of “LeBlowJob” it didn’t factor @ all. What factored n2 this was his stupidity,egostistical (am I the only 1 who’s fed up w/him referring himself n the 3rd person?)moronic,insensitive and his lack of common sense. Look n the mirror lbj. That’s who and what u fault ok? Not race. Not media. Not the cavs org. Not global warming. Not the economy. Its all on u fool. U let this happen. And 4 the record,I’m not pissed cuz he left. He has that right as a free agent. Its the way he did it that was classless and shameless. I’d expect it from an 18 yr old not from a 25 yr.old. He just needs 2 shut the f**k up and stop coming across as a prick. But that’s all n my most humble opinion. F**k him,f**k the heat and f**k what they stand 4!

  • burnt_chicken

    honkeys, BETCAT? do you know that term comes from places like detroit and harlem and most likely refers to scummy white dudes driving by predominantly lower income black neighbourhoods and honking for black prostitutes? Is that really a good term to drop on all white people, especially on this thread? Action would most likely tell you: you’re better than that.

  • JTaylor21

    Kap, it has NOTHING to do with him being a prick because there are plenty of them in sports. Rottenburger’s one and there’s little or no hatred to what he was accused of and Favre’s also one but his name is NO where to be found in that Q rating. RACE is always a factor when involving black athletes, which is why people hate TO, Ochocino and Bron when they have NEVER EVER committed a crime especially TO and Ocho who are nothing but guys who want to have fun.

  • Jer Dawg

    Detractors speak the loudest. This Q rating stuff is dumb. We are talking sports. Go get the approval ratings of the 43rd president. He was most important person to the US and the world & his approval rating was terrible; He’s white. Sports is an overly emotional subject in US. Why don’t more people talk about religion? Because somehow that’s boring and not worth doing a campaign smear over just like we do with athletes. Most people ARE jealous of these athletes playing a game and getting paid. We hold them to high standards. Why, why, why? Because they are in out TVs every night? Selling product? Politicians sell you lies and propaganda. Bottom line, detractors speak louder and an idiot is an idiot. Lebron’s group crying racism is a cop out. Let’s not revisit this again.

  • webstarr

    Alright, fair enough, one could be a racist and a basketball fan (as delusional as you’d have to be). But imagine you’re from Cleveland. Your city is basically Detroit II, economically. You’re a die hard basketball fan and one of the most gifted players to ever play the game ditches your team after a build up of stupid proportions, leaving your town looking like the fat chick who was the friend, but got ditched for the chick with D cups. It’s a wonder Cleveland didn’t burn down all together.

  • ManofGod131

    @hammer Your ignorance comes across very clearly with your “LeBlowJob” comment. This is a real conversation. Take that nonsense somewhere else.

  • http://stapledesign.com Spaceship Jay

    Eboy, I have a super-soaker full of gasoline, some fire proof ninja suits, and a blow torch ready to go for us. Whenever your ready to burn Lebron’s “homeboy PR team” alive, let me know. At this point, 7 percent of me is actually serious.

  • http://twitter.com/HarryByrdMan44 LA Huey

    Even if he felt race played a factor, he shouldn’t have mentioned it. Just kept it to himself. Even when justified, playing the race card makes you look weak and White people will just hate you more.

  • Benjamin Stone

    Being white is pretty cool, except when everyone insists you’re racist.

  • ManofGod131

    Roethlisberger has committed a crime twice. Favre has wavered in his decision for four years straight and gets dressed in his own separate space in the locker room. LeBron makes a bad PR move, decides to play with his friends who are also great basketball players and he’s now the most hated figure in sports.

  • http://slamonline.com Mike m.

    Definitely racial. especially considering other on that list. Fact is that Bron broke some codes that White people hold dear. Notifying your employer, treating organization with respect, not disgracing your fan base and yada yada yada.

    Honestly though, when you are a free agent, those things are not a must. Noone called fans wrong when they boo’d him a couple times last year. When the whole entire city earns around 100 million off your name every half a season and youre getting paid 4 mil a year, no one is claiming unfairness. When management only became serious about improving once they knew there was a possibility of you leaving, no one claimed incompetence.

    He’s a show, a clown. Purely entertainment and they feel as if they owned him. And if you dont go with what decisions they have planned there will be backlash.

  • http://www.slamonline.com/online/category/blogs/farmer-jones/ Ryan Jones

    I’ve been saying for years we need a new OJ.

  • ManofGod131

    Playing the race card is an idiotic phrase when race is basically the whole deck in some cases. We have to talk about it because if not, those who hold racist views cannot be educated and cured of their stupidity. So I don’t think LeBron should have kept it to himself if that’s how he felt. We tell our superstars to be more vocal, to use their positions to help with certain causes, but once they say something that is too honest, too true and too real, we want them to be quiet, especially our Black athletes.

  • hammer

    @ jtaylor. So when its a white player,”some”people get mad but when its a black “EVERYONE” gets mad? That was a stupid thing 2 say. When favre left a lot of people were pissed. He got backlash from the fans and the media. Mike and mike really crticized him hard on a show. And he continously gets ridiculed and criticized whenever its time 2 make his “decision” 2 return 2 play. And if that’s not proof 4 u,what bout lane kiffin? Last I checked he wasn’t black. He got death threats fool. He can’t step n tennessee man. Some people r pissed that lbj left the cavs. Which is stupid. But the majority,including me,r pissed @ HOW he did it. That’s the reality. F**k the race factor! Nuthin 2 do w/it!

  • JTaylor21

    @Webstarr, F*CK cryveland, is it Bron’s job to stay just to make sure that their economy is good and continues to feed off him, NO, that’s for the crooked politicians to worry about. It amazes me that politicians lie, cheat, steal and do everything under the sun yet people still vote for them and like them but Bron leaves because he has the right and they are ready to burn down his house with him in it. It’s RACISM in it’s purest form and some of y’all on here clearly live on the moon or something because you guys clearly don’t live in the same racist a** country I do.

  • http://www.slamonline.com Eboy

    Here’s something that’s simple in black and white (pardon the pun): Numerous professional athletes commit crimes, break laws, beat girlfriends, neglect their child support, drive drunk (and kill people while doing so), rape, cheat on their wives and in some extreme cases, murder (and are not tried for it, hi Ray Lewis/Jason Williams)and yet, Lebron is put in the same (if not worse) light of being hated for making a free-agency decision and having a terribly executed exit strategy with guys that commit actual crimes. CRIMES. FUC*ING CRIMES!!!!! You guys, and all your moral judgments, need to find a real life, in the real world and stop thinking that your words on the internet, on your goofy blogs and your horrible Twitter accounts are reality. That’s real. Get the f*ck over yourselves. It’s basketball. Now life. Even if dude wasn’t on the team I support, I’d support him because the stupidity of the crowd OVER A FREE-AGENT DECISION that they’re a treating LIKE a lynching.

  • vtrobot

    @JTaylor21: I agree with you that racism is still all over Ameica, but I’m happy to see all the people calling BS on this one. It was all about the way he went about doing it, combined with everyone’s frustration in NY/NJ/CHI. It’s also that Americans, like a lot of people in the world, take sports far too seriously and make it a such a huge part of their lives and who they are. When your team has a once in a lifetime talent, who then disrespects your entire city, people are going to lose their sh*t. Doesn’t have much to do with the skin color of that athlete. If A-Rod did it, there would be the same reaction. If Tom Brady did the same thing, there would be the same result. Dumb, drunk, high people doing dumb sh*t. Might racism play a small role too? Maybe, they’re dumb people.

  • http://www.slamonline.com Eboy

    Here’s something that’s as simple as black and white (pardon the pun): Numerous professional athletes commit crimes, break laws, beat girlfriends, neglect their child support, drive drunk (and kill people while doing so), r*pe, cheat on their wives and in some extreme cases, murder (and are not tried for it, hi Ray Lewis/Jason Williams)and yet, Lebron is put in the same (if not worse) light of being hated for making a free-agency decision and having a terribly executed exit strategy with guys that commit actual crimes. CRIMES. FUC*ING CRIMES!!!!! You guys, and all your moral judgments, need to find a real life, in the real world and stop thinking that your words on the internet, on your goofy blogs and your horrible Twitter accounts are reality. That’s real. Get the f*ck over yourselves. It’s basketball. Now life. Even if dude wasn’t on the team I support, I’d support him because the stupidity of the crowd OVER A FREE-AGENT DECISION that they’re a treating LIKE a lynching.

  • burnt_chicken

    would Dallas freak out like that if Dirk signed elsewhere?

    Would Cubes go all Gilbert-y?

    I find the level of animosity aimed at LeBron surprising. He was a free agent–it happens. I do wonder why his move inspired the burning of jerseys–it’s hard to seperate that symbolic gesture from effigy… were there a lot of people doing that? Or just one or two juicy video clips of a couple idiots that are being replayed ad nauseum?

  • MikeC.

    This is all Lebron’s fault.

  • JTaylor21

    @LA, NO playing the race card just shows that you see whats going on and are not afraid to point out the obvious. Also let white people hate him more, it pales in comparison to what they have done to races all over the world.

  • http://stapledesign.com Spaceship Jay

    JTaylor, At this point I commend you for your dedication to the decisions that Lebron makes, even to argue when he flat-out digs himself a deeper hole. If there can’t be an understanding by him by now that everyone’s frustration is from the fact that he was supposed to be the NBA’s golden egg, take the league to the next level, and wash away Kobe’s, AI’s and the Detroit Brawl’s sins that tarnished the perception of the NBA in the eyes of the outside world…. Then he must be a complete and utter d!ckhead. To say that all this is happening cause he’s black at this point…. Wow. Anyways, from the way you speak so passionatley of his actions, I’m sure you gotta know him. So PLEASE… Regardless of my feelings about his descisions, I do acknowledge him to be a game changer and a great talent; PLEASE… Tell him to shut the $%&* up for me. For all of us.

  • T-Money

    LA Huey: he didn’t bring it up, he was asked a direct question. and maverick carter did take blame for the way the decision was executed. / hammer: that’s exactly what i’m talking about. most people say that they’re not angry about his move to miami per se, but moreso the tv show. and i get that, the show was whack. but how angry can you be about a tv show?! now i’m hearing fans talking about inmates running the asylum and how the free agency process should be revisited. that raises my antennas, why do fans want owners to, well, own the players? dude played seven years for a team, fulfilled his contractual obligations and decided to move. he said a million times in the last few years that he would keep his options open. where’s the betrayal?

  • JTaylor21

    A-Rod is latino, so yes they would HATE him too, they already hated him before he admitted to doing steroids. Look at BBonds who hasn’t being convicted of anything but people hate him more than Clemens and McGwire (who admitted it and has a job in baseball as we speak). Same with Pac Man and Vick before those guys were even charged with a crime, they were suspended and vilified. Didn’t you see all those clown a** peta outside of everywhere Vick went protesting and sh*t but there were no women-right groups protesting where Rottenburger was.

  • MikeC.

    I realize this is likely to be misconstrued because Dirk is white, but if Dirk jumped ship, I don’t think the level of hatred would be the same. It has nothing to do with race, but everything to do with the ticking clock and the closing window. If Dirk left Dallas, the Mavs organization would be upset, Mavs fans would be upset, but they’d get over it based on Dirk’s age. His championship window as the alpha-dog is 98% closed unless Kobe forgets how to play basketball. Lebron hasn’t even hit his prime yet, and he’s already bailed on the Cavs. Comparing Dirk and Lebron isn’t fair because Dirk leaving would be much closer to Karl Malone leaving Utah to chase a ring.

  • hammer

    @manofgod. Out of all the words that I posted,that’s the 1 ur focusing on? Seriously? Whatever man. On 2 the next 1…u aint even worth the time nitpicker

  • JTaylor21

    Spaceship, I’ve been defending every black athlete that has being guilty until proven innocent, so don’t act like I’m only defending Bron. T-Money is right, all of a sudden people want changes in the free-agency process because as they put it; the inmates are running the asylum. What is that referencing to is that black players are inmates in a prison and that white owners are the wardens and they need to take control of the prisons/prisoners again. It’s simple they see this athletes are prisoners and white owners as wardens, if that isn’t RACISM, I don’t know what is.

  • http://www.boogiewilliams.com Boing Dynasty

    Wait, LeBron James is black?

  • http://www.slamonline.com/online/category/blogs/farmer-jones/ Ryan Jones

    It’s probably true that some white people got more upset about LeBron’s handling of his free-agency announcement than they would have if he were white.
    You guys can all go home now.

  • vtrobot

    The Favre comparison isn’t really relevant since he’s at the end of his career. Rothisburger deserved to be treated like Kobe (in the public eye and in court) so the way that one played out definitely seems a little “racy.” Ochocinco and TO are on that hated list because they seem like two of the biggest arrogant d*cks in pro sports. They make it worse by parlaying their fame into horrible reality TV bullsh*t.

  • B

    Lebron James just needs to shut up and play basketball.

  • http://stapledesign.com Spaceship Jay

    Eboy- Your Absolutley right. However, not only am I black, but I’m a “black grown up”; That may sound stupid, but when I say that I mean that the word n**ga offends me. I don’t give a damn about who says it, in what circumstances. I said that to say that Lebron f**ked up. He knows it by now, the world it by now. Career wise though. The only dude I know that should be happy and content with the situation is YOU… Because your the only true Heat fan I know on the planet. So, as a black dude that shudders at ignorance, to say that this is happening becasue he’s black is RETARDEDLY INSULTING. No MUTHAF**A, a race was oppressed and hosed down becasue they were black. Not because they made a few bad PR decisions. Please stop,toughen your a$$ up, kill the NBA with your talent and skill…. and fire your friends kid, there destroying you. If I were his PR I woulda been stapled his mouth shut.

  • The Fresh Prince of Nsam

    LONG LIVE THE KING!

  • JoeMaMa

    ESPN just fired every white worker they have.

  • The Fresh Prince of Nsam

    LONG LIVE THE KING

  • Mike from Spain

    I’m white. I also thought that ‘The Decision’ was a stupid thing. Duh, shame on me, I must be f**king racist, what?

  • Card

    Let’s clear up some flawed comments:

    1.)”Why did Lebron bring up race?” – He didn’t bring it up. He was asked a question and he answered it truthfully.
    2.)”Why is he blaming racism for the backlash?” – HE said he felt race was a factor “at times”. He never made the blanket statement that he was getting backlash just because he’s black. Why are so many people twisting his words?

  • http://slamonline.com Allenp

    Long time readers know what I think.

  • http://Www.slamonline.com Myles Brown

    Whether he committed a CRIME or not shouldn’t be the precursor to outrage. Basketball is the billion dollar business it is because people care so much about it. Which means that they care just as much when they feel slighted or disappointed in the athletes they’ve given so much of their time, money and support to. It cuts both ways and LeBron is learning that just as others before him did. Let’s stop oversimplifying things.

  • The D Train

    Oh yeah, race plays a factor, especially on a large-scale level. It reeks to those of us that don’t think in those racist patterns, but it’s undeniably there. It would have been like the reporter asking Lebron if money factored into the decision. Of course it did. To what level? Who knows. But to say that it wasn’t a factor at all is completely ignorant and dismissive. People don’t make their changes or judgments in a vacuum. So yeah, some of the guys and gals that were up in arms about Lebron probably had some racist thoughts, words, or actions (especially amongst those who think like them). But some of the guys and gals that were up in arms about Lebron were probably pissed about the way he handled the whole situation, not to mention the whole ‘jilted lover’ syndrome that many experienced.

  • JTaylor21

    Thanks Card, all these people on here twisting sh*t up trying to make it seem like he just interrupted the interview and start talking about race. The broad asked him a question and he answered it, it’s that simple.

  • http://www.slamonline.com/online/category/blogs/farmer-jones/ Ryan Jones

    CAPITAL LETTERS.

  • Mike from Spain

    @Spaceship Jay: (sorry to barge in) I come from a country where there is no significant black community and also no tradition of a multi-racial society. We also speak another language, so it was difficult for me to be able to tell what terms are offensive and what terms are OK. But then I saw this:
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fEVmAbxC14g

  • JTaylor21

    @Myles, is Bron supposed to just stay in cleveland his whole career just to make those moronic fans happy, NO. At the same time have no shot at winning a chip just to satisfy some fat f*ck on the third rows fantasies. They acting like he went to the moon to play ball or something, he’s still going to be on TV. That’s why I’m only a fan of the players not teams.

  • http://Www.slamonline.com Myles Brown

    It means it’s SERIOUS. Like Kanye tweets.

  • baller3g

    While I think race often permeates all issues in society, this is quite frankly a stupid comment by Lebron. Perhaps the decision brought some racists out of the closet, but the reason why there was such an outcry was the way he did it. to all you people that try and bring up Ben Roethlisberger look at the COUNTLESS incidents of blacks in football getting into trouble without anyone caring. Vick committed a FELONY and is now beloved again in Philly and no one cares about his past. Marshawn Lynch, Donte Stallworth, Vincent Jackson, etc etc etc are all black athletes who committed actual crimes, and there was minimal backlash. The reason people hate Lebron is because he played up to Cleveland’s love. He soaked it all up and took advantage of being the one big thing that Cleveland could be prideful of. He was the dominant person in the relationship between city and athlete, and he knew this. And rather than just being respectful to the fact that the whole city cared so much about keeping him, he made it a spectacle for personal gain. The hate was more along the line of a jilted lover than a racist community. After how many years does Cleveland despise Art Modell? Last time I checked he was white and they want him dead. Also, he’s still YET TO APOLOGIZE to Cleveland for the stunt. That’s the sort of attitude and actions that make people hate him.

  • http://slamonline.com Allenp

    Co-sign D Train. I don’t understand why it’s so hard for people to admit what he said.
    I mean, did y’all happen to read Dan Gilbert’s pandering, paternalistic letter to the Cleveland fans?

  • http://slamonline.com Allenp

    Card
    95 percent of Americans can’t have an intelligent rational discussion about race or racism.
    And yes, I have the research to back up that statistic… Let me pull it out of my anus.

  • T-Money

    Allen: I see you / Actually Myles, I felt you were one of the people that were oversimplifying Bron’s comments in the first place. He never said that all people hating on him were racist and his team did admit that the show’s execution was poor. Whatever, I’m letting this go as I have nothing else to offer to the conversation. The argumentation is getting circular.

  • http://Www.slamonline.com Myles Brown

    He didn’t have to stay anywhere and he obviously has the right to go where he wants. But to leave in the manner he did and not expect the backlash that’s happened is particularly naive. To then chalk the backlash up to race is somewhat of attempt to absolve himself of responsibility. I saw the quote from Mav saying he shouldve handled things a ” bit differently” but that’s an understatement in comparsion to the willingness to which he was willing to discuss race.

  • http://www.boogiewilliams.com Boing Dynasty

    SLAM, can you bring back that portly fellow Vincent Thomas who makes random appearances on some of NBATV’s second rate programs. I seem to recall him being pretty good at making white people feel bad, regarding the Lakers/Celtics debate and somthing about Rush Hour 3 & the USA Olympic team. Nevermind Ziren or Scoop thats the guy id like to see shine some light on this issue. He cant be that busy, right?

  • http://stapledesign.com Spaceship Jay

    Co-sign Mike from Spain.

  • http://Www.slamonline.com Myles Brown

    My initial statement was an oversimplification and mostly in jest. But it was in response to the oversimplification of injecting race into the conversation when any intellectually honest party would willingly acknowledge that was a small motivating factor in the public reaction.

  • The D Train

    LOVE Myles comment at 11:11. “It cuts both ways…” Yes, sir, it does. Lebron wants to be a global icon. Well, LBJ, not sure if you know this from the insulated bubble you’ve lived in for most of your teen-to-adult life, but most of the people in the world have their own beliefs and values that don’t revolve around you. A lot of the people that valued watching you play basketball bought shoes and shirts with your likeness on them. And you make a pretty good living off of those people. Does that justify their thoughts/actions if they are deplorable? Absolutely not. But I don’t think anyone can be that big, with that many people focused on them, and expect everything to be adulation. It’s a fact of life. People give you their money and they expect something for it. If you put yourself in LBJ’s position people are going to take shots at you, justified or not, and their motives might not always be pure.

  • http://stapledesign.com Spaceship Jay

    Good Lord, thank you Myles.

  • http://www.slamonline.com/online/category/blogs/farmer-jones/ Ryan Jones

    ALLENP’s ANUS.
    He brought it up. Not me.

  • http://www.dimemag.com Royal

    Yeah Lebron just needs to let his game speak for him for about a year.He is kind of making things worse for himself.

  • The Fresh Prince of Nsam

    I can’t say if race played a role or not in all of this, I don’t know, I’m not American and I’ve never been 2 the States, maybe that’s why I don’t understand all the hype and the proportions that all this took. I mean, the biggest player in the game decide 2 change teams 2 increase his chances of winning a ring, he decide 2 do it in an hour special so that’s the crime why his legacy is tarnished 4EVA (according 2 some editorialists and Slamonline bloggers) I mean I definately don’t understand the proportions of this… I DON’T. It’s like people were just looking 4 an excuse to backlash the guy. In my world that’s the only reason I can make 4 all of this (or maybe bcuz he’s Black) I mean, there has 2 b some explanation 2 all this madness

  • JTaylor21

    Myles, can you even read, he said at times it played a role not it was the ONLY reason. Damn, there you going again with twisting sh*t up, can’t you just state facts. Race played a BIG factor in my opinion but it wasn’t the only factor.

  • PapabearATL

    Maybe it’s a midwest thing, didn’t Pacer fans burn down Reggie Miller’s home because he didn’t win a championship? Was that racial? I think the ignorance of the ‘Decision’ spurned hate but, successful black males tend to increase the anger factor exponentially. Mike Vick went to jail, was that not penalty enough? There are some well connected good ol’ boys down south that wear cowboy hats on a daily basis that will never see the inside of a jail for the animals they kill in dogfights. Was race the reason for the hate, no. Was the anger a little over board, yes. Was it because of his race, more than likely.

  • http://twitter.com/HarryByrdMan44 LA Huey

    @JTaylor21 and @T-Money, I’m not saying he’s wrong. I just don’t think he’s going to change anything by saying it. As Eboy mentioned, the same folks who hate him as much as the same bunch that commit crimes and acts of infidelity are not going to waver once they have race cards thrown in their faces. The same sports fans trying to hold LBJ under water place Magic (infidelity, snake), Bird (dead-beat dad), and Jordan (infidelity) on pedestals. You can’t change the minds of folks like these. They about as open-minded as people that depict the whomever the current president is as Hitler 2K.

  • Cole Wiley

    This whole situation is a complete joke. LeBron handled his business in a way that he and his people saw fit. I don’t see the problem with that. He’s not just an athlete (which many people seem to view as being someone else’s slave), he’s a brand, an entrepreneur, and a man. Business is business. Everyone who is salty about the fact that he maximized the opportunities and publicity in front of him needs to sit down.

  • bakers’-dozen

    LeBron is quickly losing his appeal. I would think this is largely Maverick Carter’s fault, but anytime a successful person starts to play the race card it makes them look quick idiotic in this day and age. Especially when he’s the most marketable athelete of our day. People were mad that he ensured the world would look at him and watch the special show of his decision. If he wanted to ensure the Band G club woudl get $$$, he could have donated the money used to book the time slot instead of making the world look at him for an hour. He’s a prima donna, and now his ignoramus is showing through. Moron.

  • http://Www.slamonline.com Myles Brown

    Yes. I can read. Jones taught me. And from what I read-because I didn’t see the special- the question was asked of him and he did only respond, but he didn’t elaborate on how much or why race was a factor. It read as though anything that would take the heat off his team would be welcomed. But I could be wrong. Regardless, the focus has shifted to a small fringe rather than the large contingent of folks who have a legitimate beef.

  • Javy

    Carter being the CEO, that tells you everything you need to know about Lebron’s state of mind!!!

  • http://theghostofroyhobbs.blogspot.com Mo Charlo

    Do Europeans disapprove of Ronaldo and Kaka both going to Real Madrid because they both speak Portuguese?

  • JJ

    Personally, do I think that racism played a major role in the inital backlash, nope. Certain civil rights leaders decided to put that notion out there. Honestly, no one really payed attention to his contribution to the boys and girls club. This was just all about pissed off fans. I don’t think Dan Gilbert’s rant was racist either, he was just plain not thinking and pissed.

  • http://www.slamonline.com Wayno

    if I see another “if [insert white guy's name] did this, people would be just as mad” statement I’m gonna lose it…I’m probably somehow a raceist for saying that though…white people can’t react or say anything regarding a person of another race without being tagged as racist, yet somehow that’s not a problem to most people.

  • http://www.slamonline.com Eboy

    A legitimate beef….because a dude left one city for another and had a shi*ty tv show to promote it. Jesus.

  • http://www.fiba.com Darksaber

    His ANUS, RJ. Que cosa???

  • http://stapledesign.com Spaceship Jay

    JTaylor, then he should’ve dodged the heck outta the question then moved on. Didn’t you just pee on Mo Williams for saying too much? I agree with you on your previous points though; Vick was dog fighting… And children are being shot and killed everyday around the world. Kids>Dogs (to me that is). That’s what I’ve been trying to say for awhile… Lebron’s first course of action needs to be firing those fools around him NOW yo. NOOOOW.

  • http://theghostofroyhobbs.blogspot.com Mo Charlo

    I think we’re missing the forest for the trees. If someone thinks less of a person because they’re black, that someone probably isn’t an NBA fan to begin with.

  • http://slamonline.com Allenp

    Myles
    It’s a tad dishonest to say Lebron brought up race. I mean, Soleadad, who has made a living creating shows that deal superficially with race in the past few years, asked he and Maverick if race played a role in the reaction. They responded based on their opinions and, according to blurb on this article, didn’t dwell on the topic.
    It seems like the only acceptable response was “No race had nothing to do with it.”
    Yet, most of the intelligent folks here have already admitted that comment would have been hopelessly naive considering the realities of American life.
    I get that you think Bron wants to be the man and do his thing without paying the price, but I think MOST people (captial lettter) want that life. Very few people just nut up and take their lick.
    Lebron is still deluded if he thinks the Decision was in any way a good idea. But, he’s not deluded when he points out that the reaction from its depth to some of its manifestations, involved race.
    I’m not shocked this is up for debate, but I am a tad disappointed.

  • mp73

    Instead of the race card being pulled, Lebron and Maverick should have self diagnosed themselves and used the douche card. “The Decision”, the treatment of the Bulls ballboy, the being dunked on footage scandel and the recent news revealed that Lebron was almost dropped from the Redeem Team all show that he is just an a-hole with a team of YesMen. Bringing race into it is another dumb move with more sure to come with every non championship season.

  • http://Www.slamonline.com Myles Brown

    Or it’s a legitimate beef because one dude broke the hearts of millions of supporting fans on national television. Just a month or so after a questionable performance that could been described as quitting. Or because one dude made fools of multiple NBA front offices who have been shedding cap space for years thinking they had a shot at him when in actuality he made his “decision” years ago. Or because of the people who bought into the idea that they were “witnessing” the unprecedented reign of a king and all they got was the united nations…

  • The D Train

    LA Huey, bakers’-dozen, and Myles all make a good point here. Lebron and his people have never struck me as being the most intelligent guys in the room. Anything to redirect the negative spotlight off of LBJ is in their best interest. Unfortunately “playing the race card” is looked down upon, therefor often dismissed. But that dismissal is oversimplifying, too. As Allen noted earlier, you really can’t have an intelligent conversation about race with most people in this country, and especially not in a public forum. It’s always a loaded statement/question. Someone will be waiting with a pair of forceps to slant your comment/question to fit his or her sensationalist idea.

  • netw3rk

    I have a different take. Whether or not race played a factor in the “backlash” If lebron is going to say that it did, he needs to be specific. Why? Because now there are some Ohio kids who were fans of Lebron, who were hurt when he left who find themselves being portrayed as racist. They thought they were just hurt because their favorite player left. Its a serious charge and I’m not even saying its unfair. But if your going to make the charge then be responsible with it, “This particular aspect was racially charged”. Thats my only problem with the statement. How can we have a productive conversation when we don’t know what were talking about.

  • http://slamonline.com Allenp

    Oh, and I effing hate the term “race card.”
    There is no “card.” There is no deck.
    M-Effers who use that term in a discussion about race are for more likely to have me consider them insensitive idiots, no offense.
    Talking about race is talking about race. Calling it the “race card” minimizes the discussion and presents it as some magic get out of jail free card that black people love to use.
    The reality is that white people are for more likely to use race and interject race into discussions, they just don’t consider it a problem when they do it because they assume they and other white people have the proper objectivity to carefully discuss race.
    Total bullsh*t, but that appears to be the common belief.
    Think about how often you use the phrase race card, and think about how often you’ve used that phrase when discussing the actions of a white person.
    Just think about it.

  • JTaylor21

    White people are tagged as racist because of their past history and what they continue to do today. Name one continent that white people conquered that the natives did not get wiped out or turned into slaves. They also have labeled Obama as the anti-Christ and hitler 2.0 while they sat by and watched GBush destroy this country. This is not a jab at white people on here but the majority of whites are still racists especially in the South, how do I know because I live in the south and see it EVERY day.

  • http://slamonline.com Allenp

    Wayno said:
    “white people can’t react or say anything regarding a person of another race without being tagged as racist, yet somehow that’s not a problem to most people.”
    This is a blatant lie. More importantly, when did being tagged as a racist become a capital crime.
    It sure didn’t hurt STrom Thurmond, Trent Lott, Robert Byrd and Jesse Helms, did it?
    Russ Limbaugh seems to be doing just fine, right?
    GTFOH

  • Dallas Stokes

    Hey I’m a Lebron fan, I’m black, and it was just poor execution.

  • T-Money

    Allen, Myles: I won’t argue about the racial undertone anymore but there’s one thing that’s being brushed aside here and it shouldn’t be. LeBron and Maverick know that they COMPLETELY EFFED UP with the TV show. Maverick saying on national TV that the show “could have been executed a little better” is a massive mea culpa. This is coming from two guys who never admit to any wrongdoing. The euphemism is just their egos talking but they’re not as naive as you portray them to be – they know.

  • http://slamonline.com Russ Bengtson

    I think LeBron’s comment was innocuous and vague enough to be correct. I think Maverick should have gone with “what he said.”

  • http://slamonline.com Russ Bengtson

    “RUSS” Limbaugh????? Racist.

  • http://hoopistani.blogspot.com hoopistani

    Gawd not the race hard again…
    Get this: If Steve Nash, fresh after his two-time MVP-but-not-successful-with-team campaigns, decided to do what LeBron did (not be clear to the Suns, flirt with all other teams in the league, do a one-hour special, and then ditch Suns in front of the entire planet), then the backlash would have been as (or more) severe for Nash.
    Of course, Nash wouldn’t do that, because Nash isn’t a prick.
    Oh, and I almost forgot how the Nash situation would be different – LeBron essentially did it to his hometown team.

  • http://Www.slamonline.com Myles Brown

    I get that race was a factor, but small in comparison to the abundance of reasons people were disappointed/angry with him. The people who were influenced by race, because they’re racist. It reminds of the convo in Mookie had about Prince and Magic in Sals Pizzeria. “All I hear is n*gger this, n*gger that, but all of your favorite people are so called n*ggers.” “But they’re not n*ggers….” But again, this is a small faction that are drawing attention away from the legitimate reasons people may be upset.

  • http://www.slamonline.com Wayno

    It’s hard to take you seriously on issues like this allen because you tend to insert racial connotations/motives into everything that any white person says or does. I tend to not use the term “race card” either, yet in some instances the term fits because some people do use race in the way you described above. That’s far from a blanket statement, but sometimes saying someone “pulled the race card” is an accurate assesment. Not sure it applies to the issue at hand, but saying that everyone who uses the term “race card” is an idiot is kinda funny to me.

  • http://slamonline.com Allenp

    I’m not upset at Lebron for creating his superteam.
    I did not consider Lebron the “King” of the NBA.
    I did not have any higher expectations for Lebron than I had for any other superstar despite marketing plan surrounding him.
    I think Lebron’s friends aren’t always the best advisors.
    I understand why he trusts them more than random strangers he met after he was already rich.
    I don’t think he owed Cleveland anything.
    I do think discretion is smart, and he should have used some when announcing his new team.
    I think peop[le still would have burned jerseys.
    I think most Americans are completely ignorant about exactly how widespread racism and discrimination were in this country, and how that reality impacts the country in massive ways still today.
    I’m don’t value all opinions.
    I like writing in declarative statements.

  • JTaylor21

    AllenP, you forgot about FOX f*cking News, talk about racism in HD everyday.

  • http://slamonline.com Allenp

    Damn Russ, my bad son. Really, my bad on that. When I get heated the typing really, really goes bad, as you can see from my many typos.

  • T-Money

    The D Train – why have they never struck you as being intelligent? more or less so than other athletes? lebron has been very good with investing his money and is on a first name basis with guys like warren buffet and bill gates. i doubt they would waste time with a dumb jock, they have nothing to gain out of that relationsip. maverick has been able to negotiate humongous deals for lebron in the last 5 years and leverage his brand into a myriad of opportunites beyond the sports world – including a starring role in a movie to be filmed next summer. i’m curious to know why you would call them dumb. arrogant, perhaps. but dumb? two guys in their 20s can’t build a brand like that without brains.

  • http://www.slamonline.com/online/blogs/farmer-jones/ Ryan Jones

    Who the fuck is Russ Bengtson?

  • http://Www.slamonline.com Myles Brown

    Sheesh. That’s what I get for typing on my phone.

  • The D Train

    One thing that makes this an interesting discussion is that a complex issue like race is being discussed because of a simple response by Lebron James. Ideally we would have liked the loaded question to be answered by someone like Maya Angelou, not a 25 year old basketball player. I don’t profess to know how intelligent LBJ is, but he probably isn’t fit to be the go-to-source for in-depth views on racism in America. So some people are pissed that he answered yes about race being a factor. And some are pissed that he didn’t delve further into the subject. For what it’s worth, he’s a kid with millions of dollars and no college education who plays a game for a living. We shouldn’t expect an eloquent response from Lebron James on the role racism played in the response to his decision. That question, at least for Lebron James, had no right answer.

  • http://slamonline.com Allenp

    Hoopstani is apparently a prophet.
    How about if I write: If white two-time MVP Steve Nash, who won his MVPs despite having mediocre stats for a superstar and playing in an uptempo system surrounded by talent, had made a similar decision the mainstream media and fans would have found a way to rationalize his choice. They would have explained that Nash have given Phoenix is heart and soul for many years and turned the franchise around. He now deserved to win. In fact, many of these arguments were made when Nash was considering whether to sign an extension a few years back, and people lauded him for his dedication to the franchise and turned a blind eye to the fact that his massive extension was far more than he would have received on the open market.
    Now, if I wrote that, would it be true just because I called my comments “facts”?
    People who speak of hypothetical situations as facts having really thought through their arguments well. I mean, how can you debate something is people basically create a reality with its own set of rules that only they know?

  • http://www.slamonline.com/online/blogs/farmer-jones/ Ryan Jones

    Who the hell is Russ Bengtson?

  • http://slamonline.com Allenp

    Wayno
    Have you ever used the term race card for a statement made by a white person?
    Have you ever seen a white person interject race into an issue when it wasn’t warranted?
    Unless you answer to both of those questions is yes, what sort of standing do you have?
    And I don’t twist people’s comments or insert motives.
    I state my opinion based on the facts available to me. What’s amazing to me is the people who have definite, staunch opinions on race, but then turnaround and say that don’t see color, or that they don’t really think about race that much, or that they’re not interested in reading about racial matters.
    That’s really amazing.
    Are you one of those people Wayno?

  • JTaylor21

    Please, stop acting like because he didn’t go to college that he’s some sort of dummy. I know plenty of morons who went to college and are now working at your local corner store. What more did you want him to say than what he already said, he said it played a factor, end of story. You don’t make millions of dollars off the court without being smart okay, if it was so easy everyone on here would be swimming in money.

  • jdote

    Comments like these can get so overblown. He simply said, that there’s always a race factor, and that’s no lie. I mean its a catch 22 type thing for sure. You think of the way Allen Iverson spent his career being demonized through the media. Did race have to do with it? or did his poor decision making, and brash attitude. Subconsciously or not the way we view athletes is based on things like appearance. The conclusions that we draw, characteristics we think sum up their character is based upon something… cuz after all we don’t know any of them personally. Tell me you don’t automatically draw a conclusion to the type of person/player j j redick is as opposed to someone like roger mason. Lebron didn’t say a white player would have gotten a free pass. he just said there is a race factor

  • T-Money

    Nash also was never criticized for being essentially a mercenary – the only reason he went to PHX was that they offered more money, that’s it. I’m actually in favor of athletes getting as much money as they can (careers are short and you never know when you’ll suffer a serious, debilitating injury) but I always thought it was odd that Nash never got criticized for making a money move, PHX wasn’t that hot back then. (the same move STAT did this summer, but he, on the other hand, “didn’t care about winning”)

  • The D Train

    @T-Money. Well the obvious reason I don’t think they are the “most intelligent guys in the room” (i think that makes a world of difference from simply being “intelligent”) was the way they went about the decision debacle. I also note in my later post that I don’t know how intelligent Lebron is (how could I?), so please don’t misunderstand my post and think that I’m simply labeling him a “dumb jock.” I was simply saying we should take his response with a grain of salt.

  • Hurricane

    @ JTaylor- I agree w/ what you brought up about Favre, Roethlisberger, T.O., Ochocinco, Mark McGwire & Roger Clemens, but I don’t think race plays a role in LeBron’s case. Btw F__K NEW ORLEANS & F__K YOU, & F__K EBOY & F__K LEBRON

  • http://Www.slamonline.com Myles Brown

    I don’t know Bron or his people enough to question anyones intelligence, but I do think there’s a reason you don’t hire your unqualified friends from high school to manage your multi million dollar empire. There’s a distinct difference between intelligence an savvy.

  • T-Money

    D Train: your comment is infuriatingly stupuid. LeBron didn’t owe you an in-depth explanation, he gave a quick answer to a quick question in the middle of an interview. Passing judgment on his capacity to discuss racial issues based on whether or not he has a college degree is… wow.

  • http://stapledesign.com Spaceship Jay

    Lebron makes millions cause he’s smart?

  • MikeC.

    @JTaylor – “I know plenty of morons who went to college”. I hear you on that one man. I am astounded by the number of morons I’ve met with university degrees. I disagree with the notion that NBA players have to go to college before going pro (another topic, but I care not). Basketball is their profession, and if they can do it straight out of high school, why should there be a rule that says they can’t? Is one year of skipping classes and banging co-eds going to make for better NBA players? Doubtful. My suggestion would be minimum 1 year in the D-League if they have no college or overseas experience. Spending some time riding a bus or flying coach will make the players truly appreciate it when they get to the big-time, and maybe their egos will deflate enough to avoid a 1-hour ESPN debacle.

  • The D Train

    @JTaylor21. Please see my response to T-Money. Also should note that Nike giving him 100 billion dollars for a shoe contract fresh out of high school was probably based more on LBJ’s marketability than his IQ level. Please also note that I never once referred to him as a “dummy” and multiple times noted that I have no idea how smart he is. Taking people’s words and slanting them to make your point is fun, sure, but if you want to discuss things fairly, let’s keep it factual, eh?

  • http://slamonline.com Allenp

    Myles
    But be honest, would you trust your homies, or trust a random financial adviser after all the stories we’ve seen about athletes getting robbed blind?
    I mean, the best course would be to use both, which I understand Lebron and his friends do.
    Obviously, Lebron has a massive ego and so do his friends, and their insular bubble leads to poor decisions. It’s kind of like what you see with presidents, who eventually are surrounded by yes men and women who only tell them what they want to hear unless they actively work to consider and include dissenting voices. When you get rich and powerful the bubble issue is a real problem, but so is the issue with random leeches coming out of the woodwork. It’s a tough spot in a way.

  • http://stapledesign.com Spaceship Jay

    Got-dammit Myles your a genius.

  • http://slamonline.com rudy

    While scrolling down the comments, I saw Deshawn Stevenson, Brett Farve, and Bad Girls Club. That is a truly heated debate.

  • http://www.chicagonow.com/blogs/chicago-bulls-confidential/ Diesel

    Cosign everything Myles has wrote. For those people where race plays an issue in every decision, then race played an issue in The Decision. But to rationalize all of the hate as racisism is just crazy. And that’s exactly what Carter did by glancing over the fact that The Decison was a horrible concept and then placing emphasis on “race always playing a factor”.

  • vtrobot

    i think more white people made a lot more george bush/hitler comparisons than obama/hitler comparisons. obama hasn’t started as many unjust wars as the other too. The MJ/hitler comparisons are fair because of Mike’s new mustache. @ Allenp: you don’t hear people describe white people “playing the race card” because white people are the majority, and (for now), and therefore there’s no card for white people to play. racism exists because human beings have a innate tendency to want to be with and support those most similar to us. that, and too many of us are very unintelligent and afraid.

  • JTaylor21

    DTrain, didn’t you say that “they never struck you as being intelligent”. If someone’s not intelligent the only logic thing they are is dumb, simple as that. I’m just stating what you wrote bra and if it seemed like I was twisting up your words, forgive me.

  • http://www.slamonline.com/online/blogs/farmer-jones/ Ryan Jones

    I won’t specifically defend anyone’s “homies,” but I will say that those who, either through greed or negligence or both, orchestrated our nation’s current financial struggles tended to be white men with really fancy degrees. So, “Can’t Truss It,” and whatnot.

  • http://slamonline.com Russ Bengtson

    White people don’t play the race card, they play the Steve Nash card. I believe it’s a 2004 Upper Deck.

  • http://twitter.com/HarryByrdMan44 LA Huey

    @Allenp, good point about the use of the word “card”. Thanks, now I don’t have to learn anything else for the day. Unless someone brings up the “ring card” or “teammate card” when discussing who is the best player in the game today. =)

  • The D Train

    @T-Money: apparently I am not making myself clear. I’m defending Lebron here. He should not be expected to give an in-depth response. It’s a loaded question. What was the right answer that he could give without going into a 60 minute discussion about the role race played in the aftermath of his decision? There wasn’t one. The only way he doesn’t catch grief from some corner would have been to respond with “no comment.” And even that would have ticked off some. I DON’T EXPECT LEBRON JAMES TO BE THE VOICE OF REASON AND DEBATE ON THE ROLE RACE PLAYS IN AMERICAN FANS VIEWS OF THEIR SPORTS HEROES. Hopefully that helps clarify my view.

  • http://www.slamonline.com Wayno

    Ya know, I’m not one of “those people” allen. I have my oppinions about racial issues and I don’t see how me being white discredits my opinions. I just have little tolerance for people like you who when white people react to something involving someone of a different race goes crying racist. I’m not saying racism doesn’t exist and it’s not a problem, don’t get me wrong, but sometimes people just don’t like what other people do, period…race isn’t always involved! And whether thier reaction to what they do is rational or not doesn’t mean they’re racists. Lets take white guy burning a LeBron jersey for instance…maybe he’s a clansman, who knows, but did you ever think that maybe he’s just an overzealous Cavaliers fan who feels betrayed because his super star left? I’m not justifying the reaction, frankly I think it’s going way overboard, but I could understand being disappointed about a star of LeBron’s calibur leaving my favorite team.

  • http://theurbangriot.com The Nupe

    As long as people see race, it will be a factor. It’s not always a bad thing, it’s just that people tend to identify with people similar to them or some people may not like people because they are differnt. Yao is more popular in China than he is in the U.S., just like Dirk is more popular in Germany, Nash in Canada, Parker in France and Andy V in Brazil etc. If something ‘major’ happened to any of these guys in the press, I’m sure you’d see statistics showing more support in their home countries. Not everything is about race, national orgin, culture etc. and for the most part I don’t think that LeBron is getting a negative backlash because of his race. However, I think it’s fair to say that it is “a” factor, just not a major one.

  • http://stapledesign.com Spaceship Jay

    I agree with you Allen from a financial standpoint. But when it comes to good ol’ public relations, I don’t see a reason why investing in an entity with experience and savy isn’t a good idea. To be honest with you, I have no doubt that almost every star athelete hasn’t had stupid comments/decisions/ideas… Escpecially at 25. I’m more than sure that experienced PR teams handled that, or these things would come to light much more often.

  • http://www.twitter.com/TheDiesel Anton

    I can’t see race, people tell me I’m white and I believe them because I have a large Metallica collection.

  • Bobby

    @bk How was the rant racist, and you’re example was extremely invalid if ANYONE white or black throws the ball into double coverage they are going to be considered a moron, come up with better examples kid.

  • http://www.chicagonow.com/blogs/chicago-bulls-confidential/ Diesel

    @Wayno – I’ve been arguing the very same thing with Allenp for the last few years.

  • The D Train

    @JTaylor…again, let’s try not to modify someones quote to fit your arguement:

    …The D Train Posted: Sep.30 at 11:53 am
    LA Huey, bakers’-dozen, and Myles all make a good point here. Lebron and his people have never struck me as being the most intelligent guys in the room….

    Sorry man, but that, at least in my crazy mind, is a far cry from “they never struck you as being intelligent.” You say you apologize for twisting my words, but editing my comment makes it read completely different, and therefor, is not indicative of what I was trying to say. I have no problem debating you and T-Money, but you guys are debating with me based on words and ideas that are not even mine.

  • JTaylor21

    So Myles, you rather trust some so called financial adviser you barely know and trust than your friend who I think has a degree in the same field. Sure that’s great thinking, the same thoughts people had when they gave all their money to Mr.Trustworthy Bernie Madoff, right.

  • http://Www.slamonline.com Myles Brown

    I’d like to think that if I were close friends with Jay Z and Warren Buffett that i’d have more options available to me than choosing my buddy from high school or a crooked advisor who’d rob me blind.

  • Bobby

    @jtaylor What you have just said, is the most insanely idiotic thing I have ever heard. At no point, in your rambling incoherent response were you even close to anything that could be considered a rational thought. Everyone in this room is now dumber for having listened to it.

  • http://slamonline.com Allenp

    VTRobot
    You are incorrect.
    The term “race card” is supposed to mean that someone incorrectly inserted race into a discussion that had nothing to do with race in order to gain an advantage..
    Are you saying white people don’t do this?
    Might I point you to the 2008 presidential election, or Glenn Beck and Fox News for further research.

  • JTaylor21

    How can cavs fans feel betrayed in any way. Dude left after his seven contracted years were done and went to where he felt was right for him and his family, who gives a f*ck about what the fans thought he was supposed to do. It’s not about them and it’s not their decision, like he said it’s funny when people worry about someone else life when theirs isn’t even in order. Damn I hate fans who think that the player should always be loyal to their favorite teams.

  • http://slamonline.com Allenp

    Wayno
    Now I “cry racism.”
    That’s funny.
    It’s like you don’t even consider the connotations of the words you use. Lol.
    And I’m sorry, but I missed the post where I said that every white person burning Lebron’s jersey did so because he’s black. Could you point that post out to me?
    There is very little difference between definitely saying that race played NO role in an saying and saying that race was single determinant in an action.
    Both statements are based on massive assumptions. Furthermore, what test do you have to prove how much of a role race played in a decision?
    All you have are your opinions based on the facts available in most cases. I tend to dislike it when people form opinions without even considering facts.

  • http://Www.slamonline.com Myles Brown

    There’s also a distinct difference between loyalty and decency.

  • http://slamonline.com Allenp

    Sorry, should have read that “race played no role in an action and that race was the single determinant in an action.”
    Diesel
    We’ve been having the same discussions because you and Wayno share similar opinions.
    Didn’t you also tell me you don’t spend much time thinkng about race or reading about racial matters in history and the present?
    Just saying.

  • EJ

    COMON! Lebron it’s your own fault, you brought this on you, don’t blame it on others and don’t make excuses about the 3 million dollar donation thing, you could’ve easily given 30 million dollars from your own pocket. In basketball world there is no racism against black people, there’s more racism on white people in basketball, but I think it’s justified to say blacks are better.

  • http://slamonline.com Allenp

    Be honest Myles, you would have thought it was a punk move whether Lebron had The Decision or if he released a press statement like Big Z, right?
    Come on, you can tell us.

  • http://theurbangriot.com The Nupe

    @JTaylor21: Betrayl is a feeling of breaking a real or perceived bond or commitment. Fans often times feel they gave everything to a athlete and in LBJ’s case the team and fans thought they did or tried to do everything possible to show him they were loyal. So for him to get up and leave, they felt betrayed. I would bet that if the story about Delonte and LeBrons mother is true, then LeBron felt betrayed. Feelings aren’t always rationale but doesn’t make them any more/less real. And when someone feels betrayed, they often time say and do things that they would not alway do. LeBron in the eyes of many (especially in NE Ohio) went from loved to loathed. I don’t agree with it, but I understand it – regardless of race.

  • JTaylor21

    What about when owners have NO decency when they trade players behind their backs? Do the fans get all angry and try to burn down the owner’s house NO. Just another thing that points to racism being involved because the majority of players are black and the overwhelming majority of owners are white. Also what was so BAD about the TV special, he probably answered like 10 questions and never once dissed cleveland or the fans, all he said was going to south beach and everybody was ready to get their shotguns/rope and you know what.

  • http://slamonline.com Allenp

    EJ said:
    there’s more racism on white people in basketball, but I think it’s justified to say blacks are better.
    So many problems with this statement, so little time.

  • http://Www.slamonline.com Myles Brown

    Honestly? Honestly honestly? Nah. My chief problem is that I think he made this decision years ago and made a mockery of the entire proces from that point forward.. But if he’d have just released a brief statement I’d have no problem with that aspect of things. It certainly wouldve saved him a lot of grief.

  • http://www.slamonline.com Eboy

    Fine….I’ll admit that fans of the Cavs (and only fans of the Cavs) should be hurt, saddened, angered, whatever towards Lebron’s leaving. And sure, almost all of us thought his Decision show was horrid. But after that…..how did his leaving the Cavs affect everyone else directly? I mean seriously, it’s great fodder for an on-line argument, but almost three months later, it STILL sounds like dude robbed your house, ate your food, f*cked your girl and ganked your car. Please…get over it already.

  • http://www.slamonline.com Wayno

    wow allen…you just proved me right…you inserted connotations to something I said. lol. Your problem is that you see everything in a very one dimensional way…you don’t look at things from other perspectives. People who don’t like LeBron because he’s black probably didn’t like him before the decision and probably still don’t like him. maybe a very select few of those people overlapped into the group of people overreacting about “the decision”, but honestly, the VAST majority of the people who reacted poorly to it did so because they thought the way he went about it was in poor taste. Most people (outside of Cleveland maybe) take no issue to the fact that he went to a different team.

  • http://slamonline.com Allenp

    JtTaylor
    It’s imprecise to chalk up what you just discussed with players’ trades to racism.
    For one, just because there is a racial disparity doesn’t automatically mean there is racism. For example, there are far more black players in the NBA then any other race, does that mean the NBA has racist practices when it selects new players?
    Also, owners do a good job of hiding their wealth and using the media to convince fans that expressing loyalty for their cutthroate corporations makes logical sense. It’s not about race as much as the fact that owners have created this idea that the “team” is more important than the individual, and injustices committed against the individual are exceptable as long as the “team” prospers.
    It’s the same argument used throughout American history to justify scores of injustices against a variety of people. Think about it.
    Sure, race is involved in how people view players and owners and general managers but it’s a nuanced thing.

  • The Philosopher

    Shout out to Willie Lynch.

  • JTaylor21

    @ Diesel – yeah, I don’t expect to change his mind…hopefully he can see issues from a different perspective every once in awhile though…

  • http://www.slamonline.com Wayno

    Sorry, that 1:05 JTaylor post was me, don’t know what happened there.

  • http://slamonline.com Allenp

    Wayno
    Let me break it down for you.
    What does it mean when someone says “cry rape’?
    What does the word “cry” mean?
    How do you “cry racism”?
    Think about the term.
    What if you told someone you couldn’t afford food and they said you were “crying poor”?
    What would be the implication their?
    Is it negative?
    Did I insert it, or did you use a term that clearly expressed your derision?
    You continue to accuse me of “inserting” meaning into your words when the real problem is that you haven’t spent a lot of time thinking about what you say.
    Cry racism
    The race card
    No thought to what those terms imply and I”m sure there are countless others that are part of your daily lexicon.
    It’s cool, most people don’t think about what they say or write. But, since my business involves words, and I understand the power of words to frame and shape debates, I DO think about the meanings behind terms.
    And, the phrases “race card” and “cry racism” have definite connotations.
    Think about it.

  • JTaylor21

    AGAIN in which way did he go about it in a poor taste? I’m confused, you guys must have watched a different program than me because all I saw was a guy that said taking talents to SB, answered a few questions and gave a boat load of money to boys/girls clubs. Sh*t if that’s wrong, I never want to be right.

  • http://www.slamonline.com jumpman3224

    As someone who lives in Cleveland and is white, I think this is a redic claim to make. Trust me, people hate Art Moddel probably more than LeBron and you can’t get whiter than him. He made a decision to leave and conducted his departure in a very public and disrespectful way and he needs to accept that Clevelanders don’t hate him because he’s black; it’s because he’s a dick.

  • http://slamonline.com Allenp

    Wayno
    I see your perspective.
    And Diesel’s.
    What’s funny is that of all the poeple who post on this site, I guarantee you you’re the only two who think I don’t consider other people’s opinions.
    I would stake money on it.
    Nah, the problem is that I don’t agree with you, that I know more than you about this particular subject, and you are at a loss for how to respond beyond your personal opinions that you’ve spend very little time truly considering.
    I mean, I’ve never watched a hockey game, don’t know the basic rules, haven’t studied it’s history and don’t understand any of its nuances.
    Would my opinion on hockey be valid just because I know how to ice skate and swing a stick?
    I think not.
    If you don’t think about race, you don’t read about race, you don’t think about why you believe what you believe and you don’t have much information about the racial history of this country, all you’re doing is skating a swining a stick.
    That ain’t hockey.

  • http://www.slamonline.com Jake Appleman

    Does anyone know where I can find good bagels in South Carolina?

  • Ronald

    JTaylor obviously views the world in black and white. I’m pretty sure you contradicted yourself a few times in your statements.

  • http://slamonline.com Ben Collins

    How about New Hampshire? Anybody have any good New Hampshire bagel places?

  • JTaylor21

    AllenP, I never said that the owners were racist, all I’m saying is that the way the public views the owners and players is different because of their races. People view the players as over-paid, arrogant, dummies while they view the owners are smart, trustworthy, and loyal. Players are paid exactly what they deserve and maybe more while owners are getting too big a slice of the pie. No one is paying to see the owners stand in some sky box, they are paying the players to jump, run, and shoot.

  • http://theurbangriot.com The Nupe

    Almost all people (even in Cleveland) agree that LBJ had every right to take his talents where he wanted. Most people agree that how he did it was in poor taste and doing it that way showed his ‘true colors’ and was a public dis to Cleveland. (personally I just consider ‘the decision’ to be a press conference and I didn’t have a problem with it). Many people think that as a competitive athlete he made a poor decision and tried to take the ‘easy way out’. I’m not sure if there is any situation in the history of the NBA or in sports where a player of his national popularity did something like this in such a public manner. Now he’s taking backlash for it and to believe that race has absolutely nothing to do with it is just as foolish as saying race is the only reason for the backlash.

  • http://www.slamonline.com Wayno

    @ Allen – when did I ever say that I don’t think or read about race or know about it’s history? When did I ever give the slightest indication that I don’t think about why I believe what I believe? It sure seems like you’re swinging the preverbial hockey stick when it comes to your vast knowledge of who I am and what I know. You come off as a pompous knowitall everytime you comment about anything racist…in addition to that, white people who react to race issues either are racist or ignorant in your eyes just because they’re not you.

  • http://slamonline.com Allenp

    JTTaylor
    You said:“What about when owners have NO decency when they trade players behind their backs? Do the fans get all angry and try to burn down the owner’s house NO. Just another thing that points to racism being involved because the majority of players are black and the overwhelming majority of owners are white.”,/i>
    That statement is imprecise. I’ve learned that in these types of discussions, which I’ve had hear far too many times, it’s best to be precise. Some people won’t hear you anyway, but others will.

  • The Philosopher

    In all honesty, “The Decision” could be counted as a brilliant move on the grand scheme of things.
    For, The King is really exposing today’s society as the idol worshiping entity that many of us are.
    Anyways, racism?
    Debatable, obviously.
    Was his comment a bad move?
    Debatable, also.
    Barkley, Bird, Isiah, and numerous others have gone farther out on the limb with their racial comments than The King has with this one.
    It is not because he is black. It is because he is… THE KING.
    LONG… LIVE… THE KING.
    Shout out @The Fresh Prince of Nsam.

  • http://www.slamonline.com Wayno

    I can assure you I’m not one of those “I watched Crash and American History X, therefore I’m not a reacist” white people Allen, I’ve done plenty of research.

  • JTaylor21

    Ronald, explain to me how I contradicted myself. I’ve been arguing along the same lines for the past hour while you just popped up like the ground hog, so enlighten me.

  • http://www.slamonline.com Wayno

    should read “comment on anything racial”

  • JTaylor21

    AllenP, great advice I’ll try and implement it. Did my 1:13 comment clear it up though?

  • http://www.slamonline.com/online/blogs/farmer-jones/ Ryan Jones

    We do need to talk about the racial implications of too-clever-for-their-own-good 20-something white boys.

  • http://slamonline.com Allenp

    Wayno
    We’ve discussed it in the past. I’m going by your past responses.
    I come off as a pompous know it all because I don’t agree with you.
    Besides, why would a state an opinion I don’t think is right?
    That would be asinine.
    Did you use the phrases “race card” and “cry racism”?
    Did I explain the problems I have with those terms?
    What exactly do you disagree with about those statements? Was there some fallacy in my logic? Did I misrepresent reality?
    Please, enlighten me.

  • vtrobot

    @Allenp: Wait, I thought you said that you never hear about anyone talking about white people playing the race card. I was just trying why one might not always hear about white people “playing the race card.” Of course, I think white people often insert race into topics where it has no relevance. I think people of other races often do this too. I’m sure race had something to do with SOME of the hate, but no of us will ever know how much. This is just one of the topics in society (especially America’s) where everyone like to get the debate going at every chance. I like to as well. And it’s always great to hear other people’s POVs since most of us often have no clue what it’s like to be white/black/etc. and really don’t know what we’re talking about. Peace.

  • http://slamonline.com Russ Bengtson

    LeBron said, and I quote, “it’s always, you know, a race factor.” Is anyone seriously trying to deny that? I thought “The Decision” was a horrifically conceived, abysmally executed clusterf*ck of epic proportions, but to claim there is ZERO racial component to ANY of the backlash is just plain ignorant. Possibly even ig’nant.

  • http://slamonline.com Allenp

    Didn’t you complain that white people can’t make a statement about anyone of another race without being called a racist?
    Is that factual?
    Did you explain why being called a “racist” is such a horrible thing?
    Did you respond when I pointed all the people who have been called a racist who’ve had great lives in many respects?
    Nah, you said I’m pompous, that I twist what people write and I don’t want to hear what you’re saying.
    In the past you’ve complained I look for hidden meanings in what people say.
    Which is it?
    Am I not listening enough, or am I listening to closely?
    It doesn’t make sense.

  • TR

    Nobody’s gonna read this, as I’m not first, but what the hell:
    I used to like LeBron. Dude thinks the world revolves around him. I don’t like him anymore.
    I hope he never wins a championship.
    That is all.

  • http://slamonline.com Allenp

    VTRobot
    I said that I rarely, almost never, hear white people accuse other white people of playing the race card.
    This is despite the fact that white people frequently insert race into a discussion despite the fact that it’s not merited.
    This is what black people get accused of doing when the phrase “race card” is used.
    My point was to get poeple to consider why the phrase “race card” is typically only used to describe actions by black people despite the fact that both black and white people interject race into discussions when it doesn’t appear to be warranted.
    Your point about white people being the majority doesn’t really apply because BOTH groups are guilty of committing the infraction that gets the “race card” label.
    (Also, the phrase “race card” is sometimes used just for interjecting race into a discussion whether it’s a warranted interjection or not. Just discussing race is using the race card.)

  • rav

    further proof that he is an utter quim

  • http://slamonline.com Russ Bengtson

    If LeBron said “the sky is blue,” a bunch of people would be like “WHAT ABOUT CLOUDS, HUH????? JERK!”

  • http://www.slamonline.com Wayno

    Allen – as a matter of fact you didn’t explain the problems you have with the term “cry racism”…just to clear things up as to what I mean by it though, hear ya go…It’s clear that your modus operandi is to nitpick what white people do and/or say and call them racists for it…ok, go ahead and explain your problems with my terminology….

  • http://www.slamonline.com Wayno

    @ Russ – I think most rational people aren’t saying that race is in no way shape or form an issue. Most are debating that race is a very miniscule factor in this specific instance and seems like a way to deflect some of the heat off of his generally frowned upon tv special.

  • The Philosopher

    Co-sign Russ @1:48p.m.

  • The Philosopher

    *wayno @1:48 p.m.*

  • http://Www.slamonline.com Myles Brown

    Russ only likes clouds cause they’re white.

  • http://www.slamonline.com/online/blogs/farmer-jones/ Ryan Jones

    I love the way Allenp formats the paragraphs in his comments. Seriously.

  • http://slamonline.com Russ Bengtson

    From what I understand, LeBron was asked a direct question about whether race was a factor. What was he supposed to do, talk about the weather? I’m amazed and embarrassed that this is such a contentious point of discussion at all.

  • Ross

    I can’t stand how race is brought into everything these days. Lebron didn’t get backlash because he’s black. He got backlash because he seemed arrogant. If he was white, it would have been the same thing. A jerk’s a jerk

  • JTaylor21

    TR well I hope you never make it past the 8th grade. That is all.

  • http://Www.slamonline.com Myles Brown

    I just hope this leads to the comments section being segregated.

  • The Philosopher

    OH, THE HUMANITY!!!
    (Herbert Morrison)

  • T-Money

    Had to step out for a minute but no one could really point out to concrete examples where Maverick failed LeBron from a business standpoint. The guy didn’t graduate from college because he had other things to do… but so did Gates, Jobs and Zuckerberg right? That in itself is not enough to doubt him.And he interned under Phil Knight himself at Nike so he at least had practical training. LeBron is the basketball player making the most money from endorsements by far, his face is everywhere and he IS a global icon. So how’s Maverick failing him as a business advisor? Why the skepticism? If there’s one thing LeBron and his team can do, it’s certainly leveraging his brand and image to make money. Cmon now.

  • http://espn.go.com/blog/truehoop/post/_/id/19964/black-people-arent-livid-at-lebron-james nbk

    according to statistics (Q-Rating) race has played a factor in the national reaction to the decision, for the most part african americans have changed from supportive of james to neutral. White’s went from positive/neutral to primarily negative. I don’t think race is the reason for the discrepency but it is clearly visible. Its about ignorance. I don’t know why this is such a crazy thing for him to say, it wasn’t necessarily wrong. His publicist should teach him how to approach these issues without being so easy to misunderstand, but other then that everybody going nuts about this is overreacting. If you want the article about his Q rating click my name.

  • http://slamonline.com Russ Bengtson

    I’m hiring Myles to be my publicist.

  • http://www.slamonline.com Eboy

    While I won’t directly comment to Russ since I was one of the commenters he became turned off to, I have to say I’m really happy to see his words and name here again.

  • JTaylor21

    I’m hiring Myles to play Jim Crow in the next Mississippi is burning movie.

  • http://slamonline.com Allenp

    I explained my problems with “cry racism” at 1:06 p.m.
    This conversation has been all I expected it to be, and aside from the welcome comments from the magazine’s writers, I’m kicking myself for engaging in this debate.
    If you don’t think “cry racism” and “race card” are problematic so be it. See, I could respect it if someone said “Well that’s what I’m used to saying” but I can’t respect it when someone says “There’s nothing wrong with that.”
    Thanks for the diversion.

  • http://www.slamonline.com Wayno

    Ah, I missed that post, my appoligies…I mean it more in the sense of the boy who cried wolf though in the sense that you pick apart what people say and assess them the lable of racist when there is really no basis to do so…apparently we have two very different understandings of that term. Additionally, as you can clearly see by now, I don’t really go out of my way to choose my words in order to earn yours or anyone elses respect, I am merely speaking my mind. Agree or disagree if you will, I don’t really ever expect you to change your narrow mind.

  • http://Www.slamonline.com Myles Brown

    Tune in to NPR next Tuesday night to find out Russ’ decision…..Meatloaf and mashed potatoes or Chipotle? All proceeds will be donated towards Method Mans back taxes….

  • feez22

    clearly race is a factor. I hate to generalize but the Q score ratings for lebron james amongst whites vs. blacks (and other minorities) speaks for itself. we saw the negative q rating spike amongst whites and saw it stay neutral amongst blacks and other minorities in this county. To top off the fact that all 6 most hated athletes are black and 3 haven’t been accused of any crimes while in their respective leagues says something else. how can big ben not be on that list? guy was accused of 2 sexual assaults in 2 yrs and isn’t even in the top 10. talk about FAVRE for a second. guy has pulled a lebron 3 YRS STR8 NOW burning the packers/jets and now the vikings in the process… and he isn’t even in the top 6? skip bayless is quick to bash lebron at any instant but then does a complete 180 and defends favre bc he won a SB 18 damn yrs ago? being carried by desmond howard? he disregards stats while talking about bron yet uses EVERY EXCUSE IN THE BOOK to defend favre from STATS to no teammates (which lebron didn’t even have in cleveland to begin with). clearly a race factor even espn is guilty.

  • http://www.chicagonow.com/blogs/chicago-bulls-confidential/ Diesel

    @Allenp – I know that my personal opinion of Lebron is I didn’t like The Decision because it seemed self serving and classless. Race was not a factor in my opinion. I don’t need to read a book to tell me what MY opinion is. So knowing that my opinion didn’t involve race, and then having to hear Lebron say that most of the hate is because of race, is maddening. So was race a factor for MJ, Barley, and other black players criticizing Lebron too?

  • the nerve

    im da hottest chump on deez threadzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz!!!!

  • JS

    Race was definitely a factor. If he was white like larry bird, there would be no backlash , end of discussion.

  • http://www.chicagonow.com/blogs/chicago-bulls-confidential/ Diesel

    @Wayno – that’s how you get an upper hand in a discussion on this site: 1.play stupid when you know what the poster is trying to convey. 2.ignore most of what the person wrote and then disect the hell out of the phrasing they used in one sentence when again, you clearly understand the point that is trying to be conveyed.

  • the nerve

    allen carvin yall up n n*99@s is cryin

  • http://slamonline.com Allenp

    Wayno
    You have no idea the parameters of my mind.
    And, I understood exactly what you meant when you wrote “cry racism.” Just like I understand what the word “connotation” means.
    For reference purposes:
    connotation: a.An idea or meaning suggested by or associated with a word or thing: Hollywood holds connotations of romance and glittering success.
    b.The set of associations implied by a word in addition to its literal meaning.

    Connotations are meanings associated with words. If you are attempting to communicate with someone, it would behoove you to know the connotations of the words you used in order to ensure that your point is understood by them.
    The idea that when I call somebody or something “racist” I am “crying racism” because you or anyone else disagrees with my statement is idiotic.
    Your beliefs do not determine reality. As history shows us, for centuries human beings have excelled at being cruel, inhumane and racist, and often went out of their way to state that their behaviors were none of those things. That is a fact.
    So, if your main justification for why something isn’t racist is “Because I said so” then it’s not about agreement or disagreement. It’s about respect.
    I don’t respect the thoughts of people who engage in a discussion based on facts and opinions and only bring opinions to the party.
    You can’t just ignore facts because it feels better that way. Well you can, but it looks stupid.

  • LakeShow

    geez nervous is a douche. no racism about it. just a huge dork.

  • http://slamonline.com Allenp

    Diesel
    So, you think that because YOU didn’t feel a certain way that means that MOST people don’t feel that way.
    That’s your logic. Like, you set down, thought about this topic, wrote that out and it really made sense to you while you were writing it?
    You think that because three black people made negative comments abotu the decision, it can’t be about race?
    So, if I producted polls showing that the vast majority of black people DID think it was about race, would that mean they were right? Or would you still stick with those three opinions?
    Diesel and Wayno
    You can stick with the “he twists my words” and “he knows what I mean” defense if you like. Whatever makes you feel better.
    I don’t have to “look smart.” I am smart. I’ve got the personal testimonies and Q ratings to prove it. Lol.

  • the nerve

    wwwaaaahhhhhh

  • Naiym

    Sure race could be a factor…Is it the MAIN factor…Nope! i’m Black, and I think lebron is a Narccissit…who realized that everyone doesn’t like a illuminati supporting D-bag!…..Had he left ClE w/ a simple Letter to the fans or a small press in Akron…NO ONE would be calling him a MORON…the Whole 1hr long Special to TRUMP up KING’s EGO..yeah I watched…Did I want to vomit…yep! was is the dumbest morr buttholed thing to do on Nat’l TV…well…No (see; Kanye West).

  • the nerve

    lakeshow
    cmere gimme a kiss

  • The Philosopher

    Shout out to The Illuminati.

  • http://www.chicagonow.com/blogs/chicago-bulls-confidential/ Diesel

    @Allenp – obviously the multiple commentors on this site not agreeing with you felt the same as me. By my readings its about 50/50. So I’m not just basing it on my singular opinion. What exactly are you using to prove that racism is involved in this situation other than your singular opinion?

  • JTaylor21

    KID PLEASE with that he supports the illuminati sh*t. It’s always broke suckers pouting about that sh*t and are just mad that rich people keep get richer while they’re stuck in quicksand. Don’t be mad, get MONEY.

  • Naiym

    sorry I can spell Narcissism

  • izzo

    I would think that race did play a role, it does in most situations. In the case of a fabulously wealthy black athlete (blacklete?) leaving a mainly white, working class town, some murmurs of, let’s say, racial unenlightenement could have probably been heard. What probably played a bigger role in the ‘Post-Decision’ (let’s never use this phrase again btw, it wasn’t f*cking world war 2) was LeBron handling the decision as badly and obnoxiously as anyone in that situation possibly could have. I haven’t personally read much overtly racist backlash in the wake of THE DECISION, but no doubt some half functioning yokels on the internet probably did. This doesn’t give LeBron some get-out-of-jail-free card excusing how he handled himself. Nor does it excuse the racist idiots. But LeBron is using race as a strawman here. The backlash had probably 90% to do with legitimate criticisms other than race.

  • Martey

    Come one we’re almost at 300 comments…

  • http://slamonline.com Allenp

    It’s the general consensus, from what I can tell that race was a factor.
    The main dispute appears to be about how much and whether Lebron should have been discussing this in the first place. Then again, that could be wrong since I don’t read a lot of people’s comments.
    Did you happen to forget that you just wrote that your dislike of Lebron’s move wasn’t about race and therefore you found it upsetting that he said most of the problems with his decision were about race?
    I mean, you just wrote that, and there are two things wrong with that:
    1. The most glaring problem is that Lebron never said that. I mean, did you even read the blurb? Not only did he not blame “most” of the outrage on race, he said the EXACT OPPOSITE. He used words like “some” and “at times” to make it clear that it was only a factor. I know you think I have this issue with parsing people’s words, but when you make blatant factual errors about someone said, and those errors are the main underpinning for your argument, well it does tend to irk me.
    2. Let’s say that it was an alternate universe and Lebron had said “most.” Don’t you find it strange that your sole proof he is wrong is that what he said wasn’t true for you? In you regular life, how often do you rely on genralizations to make decisions and develop opinions? Do you discard those generalization and opinions if it turns out that there is a small group of people who render them invalid? For example, I believe we’ve discussed what you affectionately call the “thug” look? Would you say that a certain look isn’t the “thug” look if I could point out that about 5 percent of the people who dress like “thugs” are actually college graduates with white collar jobs?
    Simply put, your logic is bad. Deciding that something is untrue simply because it’s not true for you is illogical. Can you see that problem?

  • The D Train

    SLAM mods: could you please put AllenP’s quote at 2:33 at the beginning of every post…”Your beliefs do not determine reality.” I propose that that is the singular most intelligent sentence I have read on these post boards…or any other for that matter.

  • http://slamonline.com Allenp

    Izzo
    Why do you think Lebron is using race as a strawman?
    In all of the discussions we’ve seen with him has he EVER discussed race as a motivation for the the reaction to The Decision?
    This is the first time it’s been discussed, and it was in response to a direct question.
    I’m shocked, I am really REALLY shocked at how quickly people have taken the idea that Lebron is using race as an excuse and run with it.
    I mean, in the blurb the writer makes a point of saying the EXACT OPPOSITE.
    Moreover, Lebron says the exact same thing that you said Izzo about the role of race in everything.
    It’s really crazy how his comments have become about his playing the race card when he responded to a direct question about race. It’s shocking.
    As I said in an earlier comment, for many, MANY people in this country and on this site apparently the only correct answer to that question was “No, not at all.”

  • http://www.paidtosave.info Dang I’m Nice!!!

    Both teams played hard. God Bless and good night.

  • http://slamonline.com Allenp

    This is really my last comment.
    I am struggling to understand how so many people can read about the circumstances surrounding Lebron’s comment, and read his actual comments and come up with some of the responses I”ve read here.
    This has really confirmed for me that the word “race” causes most people to don a peculiar set of blinders.
    Lebron never said most. He never tried to blame the reaction to his move on race. He never called the people of Ohio racists. He never said the decision was a great idea and people who don’t think so are bigots.
    He never did any of those things, yet many people on here have argued as if he did.
    I just don’t understand it, I really, really don’t. How does the issue of race cause so many people to become so divorced from reality? How can anyone see this discussion and not be convinced that we are very far away from having any sort of real resolution of this country’s longstanding racial problems? We can’t even have a discussion based on what actually happened!
    So sad.

  • http://www.slamonline.com Eboy

    Thanks for your 3:12p comment, Allen. That’s so accurate it’s scary.

  • http://slamonline.com Ben Osborne

    So glad to have Allenp on the SLAM team.

  • Remo Jenkins

    I’m a black man and I find LeBron’s behavior repugnant and his playing of the race card disingenuous. If I recall the coverage following his ill-fated spectacle, commentators such as Charles Barkley and Chris Webber were much more critical of his basketball legacy. So, what exactly has anyone done to him that is racist, criticize his behavior or burn his jersey? A person’s decision to no longer admire him or support his brand is perfectly within that person’s right. He acted like a jackass and he simply needs to man-up instead of crying “race”. Even if some of his detractors are racist (as is statistically likely to be case), he brought the currently negative perception of him on himself with his selfish behavior.

  • feez22

    the reason lebron is really reviled all over the country is not bc of narcissism. It is because he pretty much DICTATED where he was going and NONE OF THE OWNERS and none of the NBA could do anything about it. Do i even need to name the narcissistic players all time that are loved to death these days? deion sanders, MJ, Magic, Bird, GP, Favre, irvin… should i say more? the difference with all of those players and lebron is that lebron literally controlled his message, controlled his destiny with avengence and left every nba worker not working for the miami heat POWERLESS. a 25 yr old black athlete took the nba at the CHOKEHOLD and still has the grasp as we speak. A 25 yr old Black athlete has the power to take down espn columns and has the power to get a 1 hour espn special which brought in 9 million+ viewers? a 25 yr old black athlete that has never been to college has billionaire owners crying and b*tc*ing about morals and loyalty?. I think that is the main reason ppl are hating on lebron. the self proclaimed KING took the grasps of the NBA and ESPN this summer and did it without any rings. Race is a factor and a big one at that as i said in my other posts but what i just explained is another. the POWER lebron has yielded this summer has made everyone outside of miami ENVIOUS of his ways.

  • MusketeerX

    If race played a factor it was a small factor and definitely secondary to his arrogance in announcing his leaving in an hour long tv special.

  • BobbyD

    Get of your high horse you pompous d***head!

  • LakeShow

    and a homosexual. the nerve: pure troll since day 1.

  • http://thephotoriot.com davidR

    i guess we should copy and paste allen’s 3:12pm comment over and over and over. like 10 times. hopefully the comments after that will be more… legit.

  • izzo

    Allen: I misread the blurb and didn’t realise he was answering a direct question rather than a vague one regarding the backlash. It definitely changes my opinion: it now seems like such an innocuous comment that it’s barely a story, nevermind a lead..

    If all LeBron said was :
    “I think so at times,” James said. “It’s always, you know, a race factor.” then he basically said nothing. That’s tantamount to saying :”Yes, I believe the sky is blue”.

    Implicitly, I think Carter probably is playing image clean up somewhat, usinga grand undefinable in defense of his own bad decisions, but that’s no doubt my own pessimism at work.

    Allen, I’ve been reading your stuff for too long to know that you’re not genuinely bemused by the reaction. Any mention of race, legitimate or self serving is met on the defensive. Nobody likes to be called racism and nobody really identifies as racist(well..). People, in these cases always respond as if they personally had been accused of racism, so they dismiss it as ‘the race card’ or overcompensate the other way (I’m doing it now!). I think the reaction is more down to fear of accused of racism-or just fear of being racist rather than any actual racism. Okay, I’m being Captain Obvious. Race is a hot button issue, if you didn’t know.

    PS The reaction is probably colored (!) by the fact that people really hate LeBron right now, no matter the race and are willing to dismiss anything he says. If a comet was going to hit and destory earth and LeBron was the only one who knew about it and had an easy way of destroying it, the world would probably be wiped out.

  • HEHATEME

    Please refer to Hispanics or latinos as mexicans. Thanks

  • http://www.boogiewilliams.com Boing Dynasty

    If ^this^ was serious, its pretty dope.

  • http://slamonline.com Allenp

    Well please don’t let that comet come…

  • The Philosopher

    Shout out to “The Event”.
    I’m sure some know what I’m talking about.

  • JTaylor21

    What I taught that DHoward was superman and he would save us from the comet, guess not. Let me check to see if the REAL superman’s not busy.

  • http://aholly216@yahoo.com Anthony

    I’m from Cleveland,OH. Race had nothing to do with the backlash. Most people here are mad because he knows Cleveland’s history and felt he gave up. Not to add the “decision” most people like MJ(the greatest ever to play bball), magic, barkley (all hall of famers that are BLACK). I can’t believe he and his camp said that. It seems as a desperation move to salvage some of his image. The people in Cleveland want to really know what happen in Game 5 playoffs against Boston…smh. But to stay on the topic if we had Dirk and he did the same thing bron did the reaction would be the same.

  • izzo

    You should all probably ignore the ‘comet’ portion of my incoherent babbling.

  • http://slamonline.com Allenp

    Nah I get you Izzo. And since we have a history, I figured you’d read the comments before reading the blurb, like all of us do sometimes.
    And it’s telling the impression you got from the comments.

  • http://Slamonline.com Nbk

    AllenP’s 3:12 comment summed it up

  • http://www.slamonline.com peter

    AllenP “Playing the race card is an idiomatic phrase that refers to the act of bringing the issue of race or racism into a debate, perhaps to obfuscate the matter.[citation needed] Playing the race card is amplified in socio-political systems where individuals know they may be formally awarded special access to rights and resources, based upon their membership of a racial group.[citation needed] Race card is a metaphorical reference to card games in which a trump card may be used to gain an advantage”

  • http://Slamonline.com Bryan Crawford

    Uhm… I don’t really care what LeBron says anymore. When does the season start?

  • http://slamonline.com Allenp

    I just saw Ryan’s comments about O.J. That was freaking hilarious.

  • JTaylor21

    So what you’re going to compare racism to a f*cking card game, CHILD PLEEEEEEEEEEASE.

  • http://dsfjklf.com Jukai

    I’m a little upset with Allenp on this one.

  • http://www.slamonline.com Wayno

    I guess you’re the master at determining what is and isn’t reality Allen…common sense isn’t really part of your repitoire is it? You’ve proven time and again that you pick apart what people say or do, attatch whatever racial connotation best supports your views, then cry racism. I’ve met many many people like you, I know how you work and it just doesn’t fly with me. Oh yeah, and as long as we’re playing the “you have no proof!” card, where’s your works cited page to back up your claims?

  • http://www.chicagonow.com/blogs/chicago-bulls-confidential/ Diesel

    @Allenp – you and I never discussed what a thug looks like. We once got in a discussion about me calling Britney griner a thug. regardless, I went to the extreme of using myself as an example to prove a point. if you want to get petty, as you regularly do to prove a point, I can say that my father, my close friends, my co-workers, have all explained to me that they dislike Lebron and The Decision because it was ego-feeding. Since they didn’t mention race as a reason for the dislike I’m taking them for their word. That’s how I’m basing my opinion. Is that betetr for you? Is that descriptive enough? As for Lebron’s comment, Carter said it, but since he represents Lebron I consider them the same..direct quote..”It’s ALWAYS a race factor.”

  • Martey

    300 COMMENTS! Free tickets to the Cavs games for everyone!!

  • Martey

    ..and honorary doctorates in Sociology from Akron Community College

  • http://slamonline.com Allenp

    Diesel
    I see you’re not going to address your factual error. Cool.
    Wayno
    You don’t know how I work, I never “cry racism” and I doubt you know many people like me. I really, really doubt it.
    I’m that special. lol.
    And what would you like proof for?

  • http://slamonline.com Allenp

    Peter, I know.
    Allenp Posted: Sep.30 at 11:54 am
    Oh, and I effing hate the term “race card.”
    There is no “card.” There is no deck.
    M-Effers who use that term in a discussion about race are for more likely to have me consider them insensitive idiots, no offense.
    Talking about race is talking about race. Calling it the “race card” minimizes the discussion and presents it as some magic get out of jail free card that black people love to use.

    Key words, in my opinion, are “insensitive” and “minimizes.”

  • http://stapledesign.com Spaceship Jay

    Co-sign Diesel; Not a soul I know personally contributed Lebron’s negative backlash to being black… Basketball fan or otherwise. I highly doubt anyone commenting on this even had race on their minds… Like Myles said, instead of just being a big boy and taking it on the chin, “It’s always, you know, a race factor.”

  • http://www.slamonline.com Wayno

    I think you’re under estimating my life experiencs allen…or over estimating yours. I’d like you to prove every single thing you have said, because I saw not one piece of documentary proof provided to suport what you’ve said. A “special” person once told me that “Your beliefs do not determine reality”…

  • Sonicjones

    Don’t even try that garbage Lebron. Socioeconomically you are very, very white and every racist redneck out there knows it just like everyone else. When in doubt throw that race card at everyone you can.

  • hammer

    Regardless if hehateme was serious or not,he should b f****n banned 4 his stupid *ss comment. Why single us out? People like U promote racism man. Get the f**k outta here!

  • http://www.kb24.com The Seed

    I am late to this party, but race did not play a part in the “Decision backlash”. His Team thinks it played a factor–I think so at times,” James said. “It’s always, you know, a race factor.” Added Carter: I truly believe this will stay with Lebron for a while, and his Decision backlash is based on that people felt this was a PUNK MOVE, thats it. He can say the polictical correct things all he wants, but it don’t matter how many rings he wins with Miami, because ONE in Cleveland would have been sweeter, and the Gilbert rant was the basis for this crap. Like fake Rev’s coming out saying Gilbert was like a racist master, upset his slave left, Gilbert is upset, because he left his destiny, his team and his following behind to be a new sidekick. I promise Dwade is going to get tired of Lebron taking up the spotlight in interviews and the team being called Lebron team, just wait. I don’t care how good of friends you are, you want your recognition too. Just wait, Wade has an super ego too, so just wait and why is Lebron acting tougher now in practice for cameras LOL. This dude is become a joke. BOOK IT!!

  • O

    Daaaaayum, dunny! Now you playing the race card? Son is desperate for people to feel for him over the sh*t storm he created. For the record, the hood HATE LeBron for joining the Heat. Had he gone to Chicago, NY or just stood in Cleveland, the backlash wouldn’t have been as bad. But the fact that he hopped on the next man’s jock, that made it seem like James was never the man we thought he was and he claimed to be. He was supposed the 2nd coming of Jordan, not Pippen and not Magic. And he almost was the 2nd coming… just a damn shame

  • http://slamonline.com Allenp

    Oh, I see.
    So my constant references to the blurb above this comment section, my actual quotations of other commenters’ posts, and the actual cut and paste job from the dictionary weren’t “documentary proof”?
    Or did you just miss those?
    Would you like me to cut and paste the Wikipedia entry for “documentary evidence”?

  • http://www.bulls.com Enigmatic

    Much ado about nothing… then again, I’m neither black nor white so whatev…

  • http://www.chicagonow.com/blogs/chicago-bulls-confidential/ Diesel

    Correction to my comment above, it was Lebron himself and not Carter that said “Its ALWAYS a race factor”. So its straight out of Lebron’s mouth.

  • http://www.slamonline.com Wayno

    Ah wikipedia, and SLAM posters are VERY reliable sources…you must be a top notch journalist.

  • http://www.bulls.com Enigmatic

    Much ado about nothing…

  • hammer

    Regardless if hehateme was serious or not,he should b f****n banned 4 his stupid *ss comment. Why single us out!? People like U r the ones that promote racism u racist prick! Get the f**k outta here!

  • http://www.chicagonow.com/blogs/chicago-bulls-confidential/ Diesel

    I’m still looking for the proof that racism played a roll.

  • http://slamonline.com Allenp

    Wayno
    Again which comments do you feel lacked proof?
    When I disagreed on the idea that Lebron blamed “most” fans reaction on race, I pointed to his actual comments.
    When I wanted to explain to you the meaning of the word connotation, I posted the definition.
    When I wanted to dispute something that a slam poster wrote, I used what they actually wrote.
    What did you disagree with that I need to provide proof for? Would you like links to studies on race and racism? Should I provide you with a bibliography? Footnotes?
    Top notch journalists? Nah, not me. Never professed to be one. But, what I am is somebody who uses logic quite well, and has a clear understanding of what he believes on faith and what he can prove with facts. I’m also well aware of what I say and write and how it might impact others.
    But, it’s cool, I get the game you’re playing. Good for you, I hope it’s satisfying. I already won the game I was playing.

  • vtrobot

    if larry legend did to boston what ‘bron did to cleveland, he would have ended up at the bottom of the boston hahbah upon his return. c’mon! people would have been OK with that? “hey man, calm down, at least he’s one of us.” really? @allenp: i hear a lot of what you’re saying. i was saying that the majority can’t have the “get out of jail free card” because they’re not the one’s “being put in jail.”

  • http://slamonline.com Allenp

    Diesel
    I thought you conceded that racism played a role.
    Cosign everything Myles has wrote. For those people where race plays an issue in every decision, then race played an issue in The Decision. But to rationalize all of the hate as racisism is just crazy. And that’s exactly what Carter did by glancing over the fact that The Decison was a horrible concept and then placing emphasis on “race always playing a factor”.
    Did I misread this comment by you, or are you now asking me to prove a statement that you made?

  • http://www.chicagonow.com/blogs/chicago-bulls-confidential/ Diesel

    @Allenp – Nobody is looking for proof of commenter’s quotes, the definition of the word connotation, or your interpretation of “cry”. They’re looking for proof that racisim played a factor in the backlash towards Lebron. And when you use words like ALWAYS, as Lebron did, that kind of suggests he means everyone.

  • http://www.slamonline.com Wayno

    Glad you won your special game…you’ve still not proven anything which is the very basis you used to discredit the arguments of others. You’re stating your opinions as facts in the way that you accuse me of doing. You’re so out of touch with society it’s not even funny man…

  • vtrobot

    there might actually be racists who are only mad at LBJ because he acted like a prima donna d*ck and not because of his ancestry. the “decision” was that horrid. good night.

  • http://www.slamonline.com/online/blogs/farmer-jones/ Ryan Jones

    Thank you Allen.

  • http://slamonline.com nbk

    Look – Race played a role for some people’s opinion. It didn’t in others. Plain and simple, none of you are 100% right, but to think Race has no role in the collective reaction and perception to any national story is downright stupid. To get over our race issues we first need to accept that they are present.

  • http://slamonline.com Allenp

    Diesel
    Always does not mean everyone. They aren’t even synonyms. You’re talking about me twisting words and reading things into people’s comments and you pull that one out? Wow.
    Wayno
    Point to a statement of fact made by me that you would like me to prove, then tell me the acceptable parameters of “proof” as you see them. Then I’ll tell you if I can prove something.
    Go ahread, free shot.
    The majority of my comments have been in response to what other people wrote, not statements of fact.
    Check my comment at 12:11 for further clarification.
    So, please provide me with a statement of fact that I made, that you would like me to prove?
    The one about human beings tendency to justify cruel and inhumane behavior? I can do that, but assumed that was common knowledge. Let me know if you need the “proof” on that one.

  • http://www.chicagonow.com/blogs/chicago-bulls-confidential/ Diesel

    @Allenp – my comment was conceeding that racism exists and that there are racist people out there (like yourself) that interject race into all of their opinions and experiences. I also went on to say in further comments that myself and the people around me didn’t interject race into their feelings for Lebron. And then I followed it up by saying that’s why i didn’t like Lebron saying race is always a factor because it obviously wasn’t a factor for me and the people around me. So you can’t use the word always.

  • http://slamonline.com nbk

    Diesel you realize always does not refer to just you and the people around you. If there is always a baby born every 10 minutes and it has never been yours or your friends because ya’ll are adult virgins do you go around saying there aren’t babies born every ten minutes because its not a factor for you or your virgin friends?

  • http://www.chicagonow.com/blogs/chicago-bulls-confidential/ Diesel

    Allen – please provide proof for this statement you made “The reality is that white people are for more likely to use race and interject race into discussions, they just don’t consider it a problem when they do it because they assume they and other white people have the proper objectivity to carefully discuss race”

  • http://www.slamonline.com Wayno

    I asked you to prove everything you said allen…I thought that was clear…look at every post you made in this comment section, and provide proof for all of them…go for it!

  • http://www.chicagonow.com/blogs/chicago-bulls-confidential/ Diesel

    @nbk – babies aren’t mine because I pull out. That’s what those stains on your mother’s sheets are. Y’all dig?

  • http://slamonline.com nbk

    that was mature

  • T-Money

    this is chilish. i’m out.

  • T-Money

    or better yet, childish.

  • http://www.chicagonow.com/blogs/chicago-bulls-confidential/ Diesel

    So was your comment my friend.

  • http://slamonline.com Allenp

    I see.
    So, you said that there are racists who made The Decision about race, but you were upset that Lebron admitted that, and then said that race is a factor in everything because for you and your friends the Decision wasn’t about race?
    Is that accurate?
    And you know that race didn’t play a factor in their feelings because they didn’t tell you that it did, which is what you said earlier, correct?
    Does this mean that you think all racial decisions happen on a conscious level?
    Do you believe we’re always aware of the motivations behind our actions?
    How much importance do you give the media and other information sources in shaping our thoughts on matters?
    Are you aware of the Harvard studies on subsconscious racial bias, particularly the ones involving who people decide to shoot?
    Did you know that in the 1960s, the majority of white people in America when responding to a study conducted by the U.S. Department of Labor thought that discrimination was only a minor issue in the lives of black people and did not greatly impact their lot in life? This despite what we know acknowledge was widespread discrimination and injustice.
    Are you aware of the studies that show that racial bias and disparities in hiring, medical care and education?
    The disparities in the way sentences are handed down for similar crimes depending on the race of the offender and the race of the victim?
    Have you heard of the missing white girl phenomenon?
    Basically, how often and how deeply have you thought about your own racial attitudes and how they were shaped and how they influence your choices?
    Have you seen some of the studies on the disparity between how objective people think they are, and how objective they really are?
    I mean, I could go online, go back through some of the articles I’ve read and the books I’ve read in differnet places, Or you could take these questions and see if the material I’m referencing actually exists.

  • http://slamonline.com nbk

    what i said was making the situation simple. YOu can’t have kids if your a virgin. But the term always still applies, i wasn’t poking fun at you, just being as simple as possible. Why so defensive?

  • http://slamonline.com Allenp

    Here is a link to one of the items I mentioned:
    implicit.harvard.edu/implicit/demo/background/index.jsp

  • http://slamonline.com Allenp

    You’re right Diesel.
    The quote about objectivity was an opinion presented as a fact. Bad move on my part.
    It was based anecdotal not empirical evidence and cannot be proven.
    I still believe it, but I can’t prove that one.
    So, you gonna address your comment about Lebron saying that “most” people’s reaction to The Decision was about race, or was that supposed to be what you did with that “always” and “everyone” comment?

  • http://www.chicagonow.com/blogs/chicago-bulls-confidential/ Diesel

    Allen – I’m not quite sure where your proof for your statement that “white people are for more likely to use race and interject race into discussions” is in your comment.

  • http://www.chicagonow.com/blogs/chicago-bulls-confidential/ Diesel

    Allen p ignore my 5:48 post.

  • http://www.borntocompete.com Money$hot

    Lebron was asked a question, and he just said it was a factor. He did not say that the reason of the backlash was not based on race alone. Honestly, I was shocked to see people burning his jersey. I think people need to grow the f@#k up in general. Why do hate a man who raised 3 million dollars for an great organization which has done a lot of good in my community. So, what if he didn’t want to play for Cleveland he was an FREE agent! I admit, making a decision on TV wasn’t the best idea, but there is no reason to hate him, maybe if your a Cleveland fan. But, get over it, was is there so much hate on this man for playing basketball for another team. I mean honestly thats when people get to wonder about other factors in play. But, from Lebrons perspective, with the lives of his family being threaten, and Im almost 99% sure a couple of N words where thrown his way I could see why he would think race was a factor. Its just ignorant for fans to burn his jersey, and fans to threaten his family. You just don’t see that kind of thing happening to white athletes. And, p.s. the Boys and Girls club is awesome.

  • http://www.chicagonow.com/blogs/chicago-bulls-confidential/ Diesel

    I’ll admit I was wrong in inferring “most” from “always”. I’m operating under the assumption that if lebron thought it wasn’t a large amount of people, he wouldn’t have commented to it on national tv.

  • Cool Dude

    Yeah race permeates everything. MJ isn’t universally loved or regarded as the GOAT because he is black right? Wait what?

  • JTaylor21

    DAMN, I took a nap then ran a quarter mile, swarm across a lake, rode a bike 2 miles, came back watched the news and AllenP vs Diesel/Wayno are still going at it, SH*T this is better than The War- Hagler vs Hearns.

  • T-Money

    Cool Dude: I hope you’re not being snarky because you think you actually said something of value here. Racial issues often surface when things go sour, the margin of error is not as great depending on who you are (i.e., ethnicity, gender, socioeconomic status, family lineage, physical appearance, etc.) That’s why Barack and Hillary can’t get too amped up on TV for fear of being labelled as another angry black man or another emotional wreck. Their leash is shorter than, say, McCain would could be perceived as “fiery” for the exact same rant.

  • http://www.need4sheed.com Tarzan Cooper

    This statement is untrue

  • http://www.need4sheed.com Tarzan Cooper

    This statement is untrue.

  • ZSmartHOOPHEAD

    No racism whatsoever. Leave it to the hyper-liberal media to create the racism stories so they can develop a rapport with athletes and make a name for themselves and then point the finger at everyone for being a racist.

    I do understand where LBJ is coming from. Why did so many people go ballistic over his decision when he said all along he was going to a place where he can win and win early and often? How hard was it to see he was going to choose Miami.

    Historically, NBA dynasties have been built around combined powers forging into a force. Bill Russel had Sam Jones and Satch Sanders and a number of other top-flight ballers.

    Jordan had arguably the league’s then best defender and fast break facilitator/finisher in Pippen and the best boardsmith in Rodman.

    Look at who Kobe had last year. Do the math. Anyone else would have made that “decision” that was so heavily-hyped and so frowned upon by clowns

  • Blackphantom

    I really really hope Lebron doesn’t think that it wasn’t his sudden egotistical action that had at least 97% to do with why most people don’t like him now

  • http://thetroyblog.com Teddy-the-Bear

    Wait, why is this the first time I am hearing that the proceeds from the 1-hour “Decision” special went to CHARITY? LeBron used his image to raise 3 FREAKING MILLION DOLLARS for the Boys and Girls club and all (almost) everyone does is h@te him for doing something HE HAD EVERY RIGHT TO DO IN THE FIRST PLACE? Good to know…

  • http://thetroyblog.com Teddy-the-Bear

    Tarzan you realize that you just undid your 1st comment with a double-negative, so you’re really saying T-Money’s statement is true? lol.

  • http://www.need4sheed.com Tarzan Cooper

    Ive never seen a homeless guy with a bottle of gatorade

  • JTaylor21

    TMoney’s statement is TRUE. That’s why the people that sat by idle and watched GBush break every freedom law under the constitution, started 2 wars and turned a blind eye to a failing economic are now protesting on the lincoln memorial and talking about wanting their country back. It’s all because Obama’s a black guy and Bush’s white, it goes to show that no matter how successful and powerful a black guy becomes there’s still going to be racism directed at him.

  • http://Slamonline.com Nbk

    If everything was the same except LeBron stayed in Cleveland or brought his talents to broadway would y’all still dislike him? And out of those of you that don’t like the guy for the decision actually watched it?

  • Robb

    behaving like a narcissistic jerk on national tv doesn’t have anything to do with race. You wanna go to another team? fine, it’s your right, but the “decision” thing was ridiculous. Lebron’s agents probably thought : “That CNN girl gave us a brilliant idea, let’s say it’s a racial thing so all the haters who are black can forgive him”. I think it’s an insult to black people to play the racial thing in this particular situation.

  • Michael

    Jtaylor after reading through all of the comments here I can be certain of only one thing, YOU are an IDIOT. As for the actual topic here, I think it would be naive to say that race didnt play even a little part in the reaction but in saying that im a white basketball fan who thinks the decision was absolutely stupid and I have a strong dislike for LBJ, does that make me racist??

  • http://www.slamonline.com Wayno

    ok first IF the things you said are true, that really doesn’t prove your point. Second, you’re putting the burden of proof on me to prove you right…that’s a little lame don’t you think? I’m not just going to believe those things because you said them. Anyways, I’m out for today, time to go home.

  • http://www.need4sheed.com Tarzan Cooper

    Just because you dont have a lot of money to spend is no reason you shouldnt spend what little you have.

  • http://www.need4sheed.com Tarzan Cooper

    Heres a tip from the power and light company on saving energy: if you have elderly people living with you, cut back on their heat and light. Old people often exaggerate how cold they feel.

  • JTaylor21

    Michael, so you’re defending George Candynosed Bush and his moronic 8 years in office right. That clown should be in jail for all the crimes and laws that he broke in broad daylight. I don’t believe that people are defending and standing by The WORST president by far of all-time, SHAMWOW what’s this world coming to.

  • http://www.triplejunearthed.com/dacre Dacre

    Coming in here “the day after”, i feel like the cleaner coming to service the room after a marilyn manson concert…. something went down in here last night…..
    _____________________________________________________
    Sorry I missed it. I did read everyone of your comments too! Rush Bengston sighting…. That LeBron James… what a ball hog.

  • http://thetroyblog.com Teddy-the-Bear

    Again, I fail to see how you can seriously be mad at someone for donating $3 Million to charity.

  • The Fresh Prince of Nsam

    BY THE COMMENTS I CAN SAY WHO’S WHITE AD WHO’S BLACK DOWN HERE (not that it matters but)…

  • http://thetroyblog.com Teddy-the-Bear

    Sorry JT, Bush is not the worst president of all-time, not even that close really.

  • http://thetroyblog.com Teddy-the-Bear

    Alright, caps lock time: WHO GIVES A F*CK ABOUT HOW IT “LOOKS” HAVING A 1-HOUR SPECIAL TO ANNOUNCE HIS DEPARTURE, IF IT WAS FOR A GOOD CAUSE PLEASE SHUT THE F*CK UP ALREADY. COT DAYUM. STOP MAKING A BIG DEAL OUT OF NOTHING.

  • JTaylor21

    Alright Teddy enlighten your boy on just who is worst than a guy who f*cked over a whole coast during Katrina (because a majority of those people were black), started 2 wars, and ignored the economy which led to this financial meltdown. ENLIGHTEN ME!!!!!!

  • BBaller

    To be fair, of course there were some elements of racism, but the majority of basketball fans who are really the only significant people to consider, believe it or not there are some people who don’t even know who Lebron is, feel negative towards Lebron, myself included, purely becoz of how he handle it, honestly as it never ever should,race has nothing to do with the current perception on Lebron. I hate everything about George Bush, i never consider his race, i Love Obama not becoz of his race but becoz of what he does.

  • http://Slamonline.com Nbk

    JTaylor you get into arguments you have no business being in every single day. I used to argue for no reason and I can see from others how annoying that is, but this, among other things you just have no right being so confrontational and argumentative about topics you clearly have little to no legitimate education of.

  • JTaylor21

    Like T-Money stated before it doesn’t matter how he did it but what matters is that it led to one of the best programs the inner city has ever seen getting 3 million F*CKING dollars. Do all you ignorant morons now how much money that is and I bet that no one on here has made that much combined in their entire live, yet people continue to b*tch and pout about “the way he did it” F*CK OUTTA HERE with that sh*t.

  • JTaylor21

    NBK who the f*ck needs edumacation when I was there to witness the biggest blunder and injustice (apart from slavery, wiping out the indians, segregation, etc.) ever committed by the US govt. Unless you were in the gulf coast when that sh*t happened and witnessed it with your own eyes, you sir are the one with NO brain.

  • http://slamonline.com nbk

    I never claimed to witness first hand Hurricane Kitrina. I never downplayed anything about the event, or gave my opinion whatsoever. I also never claimed you were right or wrong about who the best or worst president in US history is. But I do know that you love arguing just for the sake of seeing your name on these message boards, I am just telling you that being this confrontational is not going to accomplish anything. Especially when day in and day out you have people telling you that your arguments -don’t make sense – are without proof or evidence – include needless insults – and yet you remain blatantly arrogant like at somepoint you have done something to earn the right to act the way you do. Stop fake cussing and acting hard, your on the internet.

  • http://slamonline.com nbk

    Katrina*

  • The Fresh Prince of Nsam

    feez22 U R My Man!!! (That’s in addition 2 Allenp (the new Scoop Jackson), JTaylor21 and THE PHILOSOPHER).
    Any subject involving LBJ this summer has had 100+ comments. AWESOME, UPRECEDENTED!!!
    LONG… LIVE… THE KING (I feel u Philo)
    All we need now is a ring i june 2011. BOOK IT! (and I’m out).

  • JTaylor21

    Oh okay so now I’m acting hard, for who? I’ll never seen any of these commentators in real life, so who am I acting hard for or towards, RIDDLE ME THAT. All I’m stating is that I know what I’m talking bout when it comes to Bush’s blunders but you decided to twist it all up into I’m “acting” hard, SHAMWOW.

  • http://slamonline.com nbk

    and you need education because you were not there to witness everything that happened in the history of every single president. And its a matter of opinion, you have no statistics or proof, you just know that Bush dropped the ball and you suffered and saw the suffering first hand so ofcourse you are going to feel strongest about the person who presided over that disaster. What do you know about Millard Fillmore? James Buchanan? Andrew Jackson? all did some pretty horrible things as president. I’m no expert, so i don’t really know who’s the “worst” but what’s your opinion on their presidency’s since your the genius.

  • http://slamonline.com nbk

    i’m sorry i twisted it up and said your “acting” hard, stop “being” hard. haha shamwow, thats original

  • http://www.triplejunearthed.com/dacre Dacre

    hey you two, i’m trying to clean up in here…can you take this squabble down to five brothers?

  • JTaylor21

    Okay, maybe I should I’ve said he’s the worst president of the last 50 years since people on here like to look too deep into comments. Also you acting like going to school is going to expand your knowledge on presidents, I’m going to college right now and we have NEVER ever talked about any of those president’s blunders and I doubt colleges will ever do because they try to portray past presidents as freedom fighting, church going good guys which is obviously false.

  • The Fresh Prince of Nsam

    Waoh! We’re gettig close to 400 comments. (Slam people, is this a record?) So there’s definitely a race factor (at least i the comments section).

  • http://slamonline.com nbk

    if your in college you understand each class has a specific focus. If your not in a US History Class then ofcourse you haven’t been properly educated on the presidents (Also, I have never been in a classroom that tries to portray a president in that light, “church going good guys”). Your last comment eludes to the fact that you make statements (with specific words, which you focus on too, its how you read) that are, exaggerated, false, and/or ignorant. Your college education (or partial education) does not deem you smarter or more experienced then anyone in here. And more often then you think, your talking to a person with more life experience, and education then you.

  • http://www.triplejunearthed.com/dacre Dacre

    I fractured my 4th metacarpsal in my right hand yesterday. I have to type real slowly, plus I can’t ball for months now (new local comp. starting in 2 weeks), I can barely play xbox and i’m worried it won’t ever heal well…. but i’m not going to have a one hour special about it.

  • http://slamonline.com nbk

    well even if you did, you couldn’t raise 3 million dollars for kids. just saying

  • MikeC.

    Wow, things jumped up a notch while I was at work. Dudes are throwing fire around here.

  • JTaylor21

    Come on son, this stupid argument is going nowhere but for your info I did take a US president history class, so yes I’ve a little bit of knowledge and the teacher or the book never mentioned any of those guys hidden blunders. The extent you go to defend those crooks like they are freaking monks is mind-boggling. They are like every other politician in that they will say or do anything just to get elected and re-elected.

  • http://slamonline.com nbk

    Who did I defend? Is English your first language? And you took a US President History Class? They offer that too undergrads where you go? I doubt it.

  • MikeC.

    @JTaylor – This is in reference to one of your posts waaaaaaay up in the tree. You mentioned that people don’t get all up in arms when owners dump players and screw over their team/fan-base. I wholeheartedly disagree. As a Knick fan, you put me in a room with Dolan and things won’t be very nice for him. Many fans feel the same way. I read your comment many severals of minutes ago, so my rebuttal might not even be accurate. Stupid work made my brain-box malfunction.

  • http://www.utahjazz.com ScottyB

    I love the fact Bron went to Miami, most people don’t. So he has received a lot of hate. The season hasn’t even started yet. He still had a chance at redemption. Than Bam! He says race is sometimes a factor. Well, sometimes race is a factor, there must be racist NBA fans out there right? But now twice as many people will hate him for this alone.

  • JTaylor21

    @Mike, NYK fans are the most passionate and BEST in the NBA so I believe you but would you burn down his house like someone stated a few hours ago fans did to RMiller’s crib without knowing whether someone was in there or not? @NBK, yes they do offer it to people who passed US history and World history. By the way, how do you know what’s going on in the college I go to unless you possess some kind of jedi-mind infiltration ability because it’s baffling that you seem to know more about me than me self.

  • http://thetroyblog.com Teddy-the-Bear

    I seriously doubt a college course on US Presidents would neglect to mention the many blunders and negatives of its subjects. They wouldn’t have enough for a course if they didn’t. Come on now.

  • http://thetroyblog.com Teddy-the-Bear

    But, I do agree the Bush administration was pretty bad, but the h@te for Bush himself has become sort of a fad… You definitely have a right to dislike Bush’s administration though, because you witnessed Katrina (being from N.O.). I don’t want to even imagine that.

  • http://slamonline.com Allenp

    JtTaylor
    What part of New Orleans you from and what high school you go to?
    I’m grew up and live in the East. Went to 35.

  • http://slamonline.com nbk

    Just a lot of schooling, so its easy to tell when someone is lying or bending the truth..about their education. i’m just trying to figure out where you got your breadth of knowledge. So your a history major, or a person who has taken extensive (atleast 3) history classes but seems to think all presidents are portrayed as “freedom fighting, church going, good guys?” IDK seems a little far fetched.

  • http://kb24.com DreXnaW21

    LeBron makes up so many excuses :[

  • JTaylor21

    Allen, I went to Warren Easton and I from Hope street, 7th ward.

  • JTaylor21

    @Allen, I also got family on central city and some on washington ave. How long ago did you graduate from McDonogh?

  • http://www.slamonline.com/ The Promise

    I’m the 400th comment. Lol

  • JTaylor21

    @TMoney/NBK, of course we talked about some of their transgressions like Jefferson owning countless slaves but we never delved into it as deep as we did on their supposed achievements and triumphs. That’s why I said before that they are made to seem like church going good guys even though the bad outweighed the good in my mind. You never hear that much about Jefferson or Washington owning slaves today, do you?

  • http://slamonline.com nbk

    Yes actually. And what does that have to do with them being church going? You see throwing phrases in like “church going” change and may offend the people you are talking too. I am not offended by any means but I just think you really should choose your words more carefully, especially if your going to generalize, overexaggerate and insult all in the same posts….consistently

  • http://www.slamonline.com/ The Promise

    Alright, its been a while since I opened my mouth about LeBron, but this topic got me to speak up. this may be controversial, but here goes. Yes, I could see race being a factor, because there are always going to be redneck idiots who say stuff like, “Man I hate that coon, all these nigge*s think they got the world by the balls”. There will always be crap like that, but the vast majority of people on this site, and the rest of the U.S. for that matter, hated his ego, and how he put himself up on a pedestal, and now he fans the flames by whining that the hate is because of his skin color. Good try LeBron. Sounds to me like he has been letting Jesse Jackson talk in his ear. I’m white, and I don’t really like Brett Favre anymore because he has done what LeBron is doing, playing the media to increase their his own name. What they did to Vick was racial. The animal rights’ activists had it out for him from day one. If you noticed, the vast majority of people that stood outside the courtroom rooting for his conviction, were white people, that looked at him as a thug and they looked down upon him. Well guess what, Vick got the last laugh, now he’s a starting quarterback again, and a very good one at that. Manning and Brady have plenty of haters, not because they have done anything wrong, but because they chew up the league every Sunday. So I don’t think anybody can say that the entire reason LeBron is hated is because he is a black man. Its because he is a stuck-up, self-promoting, ring chasing quitter who gave up on a city and a franchise who did everything they knew to do to keep him happy, and made sure to make it sting as bad as possible by making sure the world could watch him ditch them. Thats where the hate comes from, like it or not.

  • Mike Mitchell

    Was his hate from his friends in Akron race related when he took his friends and went to a white school in 9th grade? He was hated on then from his own school for leaving.. that is the same situation and must have been racism also. Come on LeBron you could have been the bigger man, not a little brat looking for a reason other than your actions being why you were being hated on.

  • JTaylor21

    NBK, I swear that arguing with you is like talking with a boxer who took too many blows to the head. There you go again with twisting up my words to make it sound hateful, what I meant by “church-going” is that they are portrayed as good and GOD-fearing people not as an insult to actual church goers. You need to chill with the singling out of specific words and turning them into different meanings for your own satisfaction.

  • http://slamonline.com nbk

    Its passed the point of you comprehending where this is even going. You can’t respond without reverting to pointless, useless, ignorant insults. This started with you calling people stupid because they didn’t agree with you that Bush is the worst president ever. Continued to this point where your giving either lie after lie or exaggerration after exaggerration and defending yourself with no actual points….other then insults, which don’t prove anything. When did I say you would offend church goers? I said you would offend people (you know, someone who thinks its ignorant to associate good people with people who own slaves and make mistakes that cost lives…or others who think its ignorant to assume only good people go to church, or people that are college educated that actually have paid attention in class that have to read people like you leaving the impression that in school they will learn a false history of the country they are from) your worried about me focusing on words you actually say while you are inserting words that actually fit your own accusation of me. I only get to the point where i need to chill when i have to repeatedly let someone know they are out of line on a daily basis. I’m done, have a good night.

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  • http://www.need4sheed.com Tarzan Cooper

    WHOA! what a freak coincidence. i was reading the latest ish, jtaylor at 115 wasnt up yet. kinda creepy actually.

  • JTaylor21

    Tarzan, GET OUT OF MY HEAD!!!!!

  • http://jayemmbee.blogspot.com Clutch Performer

    nope cuz people are hating on Bret Farve the same way, although to a much less extent cuz he didnt pull a BS egotistical Press Conference
    had he then he would be right there with you
    I’m black and I hate when other black people pull the race card as an excuse for their actions or for why they are in trouble or why people hate them
    has nothing to do with you skin color, its the plain fact that your an idiot and we dont like you for your actions or for you, whats wrong with that? some people do judge a man on his actions you know and not his skin color
    and considering the NBA is perdominantly black, and alot of the fans of the game reflect that, not all but a good chunk, and they are calling you out and , also some notable black people of your sport are calling you out,so oh yeah its race
    race BS, black people have enough problems linked to race as it is, this isnt one of them, now be a man and own up to your mistakes

  • JTaylor21

    Sure people are color blind and only judge a man by his actions, HAA that has to be the most untrue statement ever uttered on this site. I guarantee that if a white guy and I walk into a store at the same time, the owner would look at me first and would “keep an eye” on me more than he would on the white guy. Not only is this a fact, there have being many What would you do episodes that back up the exact claim.

  • Jake

    So basically,what I got out of this is…if you don’t like LeBron James you’re racist?

  • Dre Baller

    Why didn’t he just donate $3 million out of his own pocket? Stop using that as an excuse for the TV special. It was straight up stupid no matter what color or race you are.

  • Roc

    That’s funny – because I am white, and now view LeBron MORE POSITIVELY after his decision. The Cavs are the lamest franchise in the NBA – look at their history, logos, and crossing-guard outfits. One of the primary reasons I had been a LBJ hater was due to his franchise, and the B.S. politically correct interviews that he does. Until now, he rarely revealed his true feelings on matters. Now he is finally opening up a little bit, and he has a hip new image that bandwagoners cannot grasp. He is a heel now – and he will average 30-10-10 next season and eat your teams alive :) ))

  • http://kb24.com Bigi

    Ummmm…

    I’m a white boy from Finland(that’s in Europe, you can start to Google it now…).
    I’ve been reading/posting to this site quite often, so here’s my two cents…

    LeBron James is a helluva a player. Period. I personally don’t care about the much barked “Decision”, because when that leather ball is thrown up who cares?

    He did things HIS way this summer, and now his feeling the HEAT for it. If he channel’s his energy to the right direction this season, people are gonna see the KING he claims to be.
    The Miami Heat are gonna be scary good in the future(I prefer if my boy Kobe gets ring no:6 first!).

    Winning is everything, just ask Mr. Bryant.
    He has now become the darling of the NBA(and the whole world), although things didn’t look that bright few years ago…He is back on that mountain top.

    I’m a fan of the game and the game itself, we are in the brink of hopefully the greatest season ever and I can’t wait it to start. Teams have made some bold moves, getting better, getting ready for the show!

    Now let’s see what the Lakers, Heat, Magic, Celtics, Hawks, Cavaliers, Bulls, Warriors, Raptors, Pacers, Kings, Clippers, Wizards, 76ers, Pistons, Nuggets, Mavericks, Rockets, Bucks, Spurs, Suns, Timberwolves, Grizzlies, Blazers, Hornets, Knicks, Nets, Bobcats, Thunder, Jazz has in store for us!

    Peace.

  • Mike from Spain

    Someone should play this video to Lebron:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bRCyZydgqdc

    Get a library card yo!

  • Bdub

    Mamooth read. Co-sign Card: Sep.30 at 11:08 am and Eboy: Sep.30 at 9:12 am
    Agree with aspects of most posters here.
    There is no doubt that
    1. Race has played a role in how people/media have reacted.
    2. Allen P uses detail well. Kudos.
    3. Pretty much no one thinks the decision was a great way to announce
    that you are leaving.

  • http://www.need4sheed.com Tarzan Cooper

    We(me) are the innovators, they(jtaylor) are the imitators

  • Yesse

    Oh my god. Why would LeBron say something like that? Boston would have done the same thing if Larry Bird left.

  • mdshuai33

    So I just spent about 2 hours reading all the comments. My useless addition would be this: Lebron was correct, it is naive to assume that there is no one in the country who allowed his skin color to affect their decision. Likewise it is foolish to assume the opposite. I don’t think there’s anyone here who disagrees with this statement.
    the disagreements occur only on the severity of the effect that race has played. If you believe that its larger than others, you are right. If you believe it is smaller than others, you are right. That’s the beauty of opinion: we live in a subjective world.
    That’s what it all comes down to: everyone has been taught by someone who’s opinion and knowledge they trust, that the world is a certain way. They beleive that person. Then that belief determines how they view the events in the world, using them to support that view initially taught them by the afore-mentioned trusted advisor. As we mature, we learn that the world isn’t quite so simple and we allow other viewpoints into our thoughts, and we mold our opinions from there. this is true of ANY opinion, be it intelligent, ignorant, racist, anti-dentite, or whatever. Otherwise discussion would be useless.
    What I don’t get is why so many people become defensive when a black man says that some white people are racist? He’s right, they are. If I’m white, does that mean he’s calling ME a racist? Certainly not – he’s simply sharing his view of the world, and it is in some respects true, perhaps in others not. But we all benefit from the sharing of it. Just for the record, I am white. I am not racist; and I think that many of the points discussed are certainly valid and deserve honest, thoughtful discussion.
    …can’t we all just get along?

  • michaelnewkirk

    People get a grip race did have a factor in the backlash, that was all he said in answering the question that was posed to him. He exercised his right to leave and did so. He also stated that iff he had to raise 3 million for kids doing the same thing he would kudos to him for that. And to Magic,Michael and the rest who said that they would not have signed with other superstars to try an win championships, its easy to say that when your already playing with Hall of Famers on your team.

  • http://slamonline.com Allenp

    1998.

  • http://slamonline.com Allenp

    Good comment mdshuai.

  • Eric

    The whole idea that the reaction to lebron is centered around a silly Tv special is absurd. I refuse to believe that the same people who have turned reality televison into an entertainment staple are simply pissy with lebron over reality tv. I call bull. lebron is right. Race does play a role. I would also add envy to the list. lebron donates $3 million dollars and people complain that he din’t give away $30 million.Bill Clinton, white man gives away millions of other folks money and he’s heralded as a great giver. But Lebron is selfish. Race has played a role in his career every since he appeared on the cover of sports illustrated, got the Hummer and $100 million shoe deal all in high school.Then Lebron had the nerve not to take his “talents” to the NCAA and make millions for others. White people turned all of that into a moral issue and have been waiting years to tear him down. We’ve seen white people whimpering and whining about T-shirts(well, he was the Mvp), speeding tickets, not shaking hands(Manning can walk off the superbowl field and not shake hands and nary a word is said), and now Lebron who no longer had any obligation morally, or legally, get roasted for once again turning his nose up and not following the script that white people were arrogant enough to write for him. Blacks are suppose to stay in their place and do what their told. They’re not suppose to have any ideas, or aspirations other than what has been laid out before them. Any black person who does not bow before the the so-called taste and values of white people will be attacked at the first opportunity. Any black man who refuses to apologize(by being humble) for his talent that brings success and riches his way is instantly reduced to being a “kid”( a favorite pastime of whites) i.e. he’s too immature and ignorant to know what he whats or needs. Autonomy is evidently only for whites. So Yeah, Lebron has a point.

  • http://www.twitter.com/hurstysyd Hursty

    This was really informative to read. It took almost 2 hours to get through it all. And I wanna say I pretty much agree with AllenP 100% here.

  • http://aim.net who cares

    who cares about race lbj is gonna be running it in miami chillen on the beach all day i would go there too

  • T-Money

    I’m also baffled at how quickly people are dismissing the fact that he donated 3 million to to B&G club. No matter how you slice it, be it for PR reasons or whatever, he didn’t have to do that and no one would have been mad (or even thought about it) if he hadn’t done so. 3 mil is a lot of moolah. People saying he should have donated his own money instead are stupid. That is all.

  • John

    Oh man! Lebron doesn’t seem to think the hole he has dug for himself is deep enough, and continues to keep digging. Please don’t pull out the race card when it’s not appropriate. It cheapens it’s meaning for those that really need to use it. Just man up! You made a mistake and own up to it!

  • T-Money

    Everybody, go read Adande’s column on ESPN: /nba/trainingcamp10/columns/story?columnist=adande_ja&page=LeBronRace-101001
    Now we can close the comments section.

  • Josh

    The most ridiculous thing I have ever heard in my life. This was completely about how he announced his decision to Cleveland. It was pointless and tasteless, to bring the race card is really messed up.

  • Addresti

    The only thing I can figure out as to why he answered so affirmative that his fall from grace is about race is that he’s been pretty quiet the last month or so and misses the attention.

    I figure that he believes all those thousands of Clevlanders, kids and adults, that bought his jerseys, posters, shoes, pictures and begged to go to see him play …are racists. And the millions he has been paid since he was 18 yo from people filling the arena to see him play, well, they were racists too.

    Cleveland loved LeBron more that his mother. Yeah…damm racists.

  • broseph

    people forget the three million donation because that wasn’t the point of the show. it was a sidebar to a show titled the decision. it wasn’t titled, findraiser for b&g club. i mean the whole thing was a joke seeing those kids behind lebron. growing up you are taught to be the best, to work hard, and if you’re lucky you’re also taught to work as an indiviual on a team and also as a team member as part on a larger team. we are the 6 billion humanoids in a world where if some of us weren’t selfish or if some of us weren’t cooperative things wouldn’t be done.
    so really the points here are:
    a)your reaction to lebron’s decision is up to you but THE DECISION ALA ESPN AND MAVERICK CARTER AND THE CREW OF DUMB DUMBS WAS POORLY EXECUTED.
    b)lebron was given a leading question which he answered (the question really was a no brainer and he could have responded better, articulated, or avoided it but it was unavoidable)which means he gave a response for the public to reflect on. his mistake is that his response is too vague left in the ether to be dissected, discussed, understood, and even the use of “sometimes” as a qualifier is just really a belated attempt to the specific.
    what lebron should have done, if he was going to go there and answer the question and fully comitt to it was give his thoughts and his opinion. i mean that was really a one line response to a question that really deserves a nuanced answer, not a super nuanced, vague, unspecific response. but then he’s an athlete, you would say and this isn’t some sort of documentary or history show where he needs to spend hours explaining. but that’s just the thing. he lives his life. he is black. his ethnicity probably matters to him or else he wouldn’t have grown up how he did and made some of his decisions. lebron james has opinions about race, and sometimes he might let it be known, but most times he’s not someone you think in the sense of having a political standpoint about race or something that matters to him. if he was being asked a serious question, which he was, he should have given a serious response. what i’m saying is that lebron james should have been able to answer that question, right or wrong. what he did was leave a leading question with a wishy washy answer (infact i would have liked him to give reason to his answer is what i’m saying. whether that means he comes harder with his response, names people, puts specifics to his thoughts and ends up hurting some people–even his fans, then so be it, but at least then he is standing on his legs instead of as people are saying, throwing out the “token” race card. it’s understandable how people can see this and take his response all kinds of ways, but i think myles brown, allen p, russ bengston in the other thread about this, and some others make great points) when it would have behoved him to actually say what he really thought, what he really meant at that time, instead of giving a sort of quasi varnished, sealed, unfeeling, rational answer, but not rational enough eh because he really fell off leaving that response to just dangle there and die on the sword of ambiguity.

  • broseph

    actually scratch that. i’m almost done reading this jadande piece http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/trainingcamp10/columns/story?columnist=adande_ja&page=LeBronRace-101001 and it’s the best of all. i’m actually learning something about myself and humanity. hmmm. sometimes that adande guy makes me think…when he’s not on around the horn.

  • broseph

    actually i don’t like the end of adande’s piece. why can’t he accept that people don’t think and lead us all to the golden fountain. is it a good or bad thing (simplistic really) that lebron joined this race conversation and opened the door a bit with his unexpanded response? is this hoopla over his simple comment worth it? am i as a person, comfortable with a discussion about race? especially coming from a guy who’s kept mum about it and seemingly navigated the nba and the wider celebdom and accolades like child’s play–easy gravy–while not standing on a specific standpoint and preaching like how jesse jackson and al sharpton, limbaugh, and all these other guys do? am i angry with lebron for having an opinion, even if he couldn’t specify or expand, and saying it, or am i more pissed off at that bumbling maverick carter? are maverick carter and lerbon james now one and the same or is it their outward appearance that can get confused as being the same people? why was he interviewed by soledad obien and why now?

    thanks slam for the forum, thanks for the discussion bball fans, and also to woj and adande, myles brown, bengston, mutoni–slam crew for keeping it all in perspectives.

    it’s a story yes, but not a whole circus or hoopla fodder. it’s just one human being who might change the world in a practical way we can all feel and benefit from, or not at all. he’s an athlete. a basketball player. a human. why do we want to put him up on a pedestool…oh maybe because his pr team did a pretty good job, which is all they did back then. it makes you wonder if this is all orchestrated set ups or if they’re going to try and spin it around like they did with this interview, and tbat’s where all the contexts comes in.

  • Cody Douglas

    everytime a Black athlete gets Backed into a Corner we start Throwing the race Card Around like a god Damn frisbee its ridiculous u realy think the only reason Lebron Is hated is Because he is BLACK!!!!! give me break he is hated cus he is THE BIGGEST SPOTRS STAR ON THE PLANET!!!!! it wouldnt matter if he was black,white,yellow, or purple!!!!! his desion is hated by everyone cus HE IS A STAR!!!!! not becuse he is BLACK!!!!! STFU!! and find a new reason to blame people for stuff!!!!

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