Saturday, December 18th, 2010 at 4:47 pm  |  140 responses

Magic Trade for Arenas, JRich, Turkoglu

by Ryne Nelson

We knew the Magic were looking for a major shakeup and multiple reports confirmed the team was in serious trade talks this morning. Magic GM Otis Smith, however, declined to name any pieces except for Gilbert Arenas.

Well, now, we have all the details. And there’s a lot of them.

As a prelude to another trade involving Arenas, the Magic completed a six-player deal with the Suns. The Arizona Republic has the details:

The Phoenix Suns have agreed to acquire big man Marcin Gortat and swingmen Vince Carter and Mickael Pietrus from the Orlando Magic in exchange for Jason Richardson, Hedo Turkoglu and Earl Clark.

The trade, expected to be made official this afternoon, will also give Phoenix a 2011 first-round pick and $3 million.

Then, in a separate deal, Orlando agreed to send Rashard Lewis to the Wizards in exchange for Arenas, sources tell the Orlando Sentinel:

The Orlando Magic haven’t just tweaked their roster.

They’ve almost overhauled it.

The Magic and the Washington Wizards have finalized a trade that will bring guard Gilbert Arenas to Orlando in exchange for forward Rashard Lewis, the Magic have announced.

Surely the Magic are making power moves, but whether its new-look roster will make them any more of a contender is up for debate. Will a change of scenery bring back the old Gil and Turk? How will Arenas, Richardson and Jameer Nelson mesh the backcourt?

It’s a huge financial risk as well. Lewis is owed $66.5 million over three years and Arenas and Turkoglu are owed roughly $124 million over four years.

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  • ErnieD

    They7 should have never let go of Turk. Carter was never the answer. Gilbert and Vince is almost an apple vs orange (save for attitude and injuries for Gilbert). Lewis was also a terrible sign for them. Perhaps they are not done dealing/

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  • Hammer

    Magic STILL didn’t addressed their need. No legit back-up 4 dwight and now they traded away 4 players who can’t play defense….Suns came out lookin decent tho

  • Hammer

    Coleman:I wouldn’t go as far as 2 say he shouldve been the gpfoat,but mos def top 5. The talent he had,MAN! Such a shame. He was something 2 watch no doubt

  • http://airtsinelas21.blogspot.com Roy

    The Magic is the winner of that trade in my humble opinion…

  • birdy

    there goes J.J Redick’s career in Orlando…

  • Yann Blavec

    Robin Lopez is good but the Suns needed a real center.

  • Yann Blavec

    ROY the winner is phoenix

  • JC

    Genius, Magic !! they somehow were able to dump that useless, super expensive sorry-a$$ Lewis. !! awesome. Lewis is tall but can not rebound, can shoot 3s, but chokes when the game is on the line.

  • http://Philosophervision@blogspot.com The Philosopher

    Jukai:
    All that I am saying is that Coleman had the talent, and the potential to be the greatest power forward of all time.
    I know that he was a head case. There are different circumstances for different players’ career.
    And, Yao Ming is the first of his kind. Do you agree that barring the injuries, he was on his way to becoming a sure fire Hall of Fame talent?
    Also, if Steve Nash (who allegedly plays bad defense) wins two MVPs… I’ll just say that Cousy would be resoundingly successful in today’s league. Now, what one may call successful, another one may not, no?
    To some, one does not have to garner multiple awards and accolades to be considered a success. He would be an all star though, in my opinion.
    Petit, I do not believe, would have a resounding effect today.

  • ab40

    please phoenix resurrect vince carter. and make plans to sign both greg oden and shaun livingston we need those guys to be good nba players within the next five years. Gilbert for sixth man of the year.. Gilbert is a funny name

  • http://bulls.com airs

    late on posting on this thread, but i’d just like to say: HIBAAACHIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII!!!

  • Blackphantom

    I think is a good trade for everyone…but Washington unless Rashard Lewis does his thing

  • http://www.peopleofwalmart.com/ Jukai

    Philo: We’ll have to agree to disagree. I don’t think Coleman had the BBall IQ to be the best. He always made dumb mistakes, always took bad shots. You can play this on him being a ‘headcase’ but Basketball IQ is something different. He didn’t have it.
    Plus I mean, you can talk about all his lack of technical skill, but there’s a billion players who were ultra athletic and big who you can see if they just had BBall smarts and technical skills, they would have been the best. I just don’t like the argument. Coleman wasn’t missing just one thing, he was missing a LOT.
    And Cousy was much different from Nash, bro, you claim to be a student of the game but like, they played totally differently. Cousy COULD NOT SHOOT FOR ANYTHING. For ANYTHING. And he played in a time where shooting whenever you were open was the way basketball teams ran— hence his terrible shooting percentages. He was a scrappy defensive, fast cutting, ball movement guy who got the majority of his assists by passing to cutters, while Nash was a terribly defensive, shoot to create space, ball controlling guy who made most of his assists passing to guys ont he fast break. They were not a similar as NBA 2k10 will tell you.

  • shu

    Didn’t the chuckster in his prime say “Derrick Coleman can be the gpfoat?” That was from MVP Sir Charles in the early 90′s. I think Coleman’s lack of progression was what puzzled people. He came out of ‘Cuse and was dominant- 19 and 11 or something (sorry too lazy to look up) with ROY honors then kind of tapered off… Dang it who wrote that Old School article on Coleman a few years back? Oh right there was a trade huh? Um free Courtney Lee? I can’t wait until suckers go for Hedo’s pump fakes from 10 feet behind the 3 point line.

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  • orl.chris

    I love these trades for the magic. Jameer Jrich Hedo Bass Howard with Gil as a 6th man is a strong lineup. Ryan Anderson and Rashard Lewis are basically the same player right now at this point in their careers. Anderson and JJ will hopefully get some good minutes off the bench.

    What I don’t like about the trades is losing Gortat – that hurts the Magic more than people might think. Also we now have a bunch of useless players on our roster. There is absolutely zero need for Jwill, Duhon, or Qrich. If we could somehow flip those guys for a backup for Howard that would be awesome. Maybe we could get Okafor’s bad contract? I think he’d be a great fit in Gortats old role.

  • http://Slamonline.com Nbk

    Derrick Coleman spent the offseasons drinking and never stayed in shape. It’s a widely accepted belief that he had the potential to be the best pf of all time. 20 & 10 for him was underperforming – he went for 20 & 10 out of shape and really without any drive to get better.

  • SEAN

    I’M a die hard suns fan i lie the tread to get some big man but im sad jrich is leaving him and nash have worked well togather since day 1 but i gusee it is time for the suns and jrich to move on.

  • Tyquan

    They say the best trades are the ones you dont make but in this case I think Otis Smith had to make a change because Miami and Boston set the standard for how to build a team in the East and the Magic losing at home to ATL without Joe Johnson didnt exactly help out the cause. Gilbert Arenas possibly coming off the bench is a good problem to have maybe they should think about maybe trading Nelson if it starts a point guard controversy and Stan the Man should stop playing games and give Brandon Bass some burn but getting Turkoglu back was a smooth move by Otis Smith.

  • http://Philosophervision@blogspot.com The Philosopher

    Jukai:
    I have never said that Coleman has Jerry West’s I.Q. I have never even said that Coleman is ultra athletic. (he was not, Blake and Amar’e are)
    As far as being a student of the game, as you have put it; I’ll take that, for I most certainly am a student of this game, and I appreciate the acknowledgment. And, you respect it.
    Anyways, you do not have to tell me the difference between Nash and Cousy.
    You had asked me a question, I had attempted to procure an answer. Nothing more or less.
    And, to be totally honest, I have not even played 2K10 yet. Those games do not always appeal to me so, I would not know what that game would have to tell me about a player(s).
    So, since Cousy cannot shoot, and does everything you said he does, we will call him Rajon Rondo. An all star in today’s game. Not an MVP, but an Olympic caliber player. A successful player in some circles.

  • pache

    The Philo: I’d agree with the Rondo comparison.
    I guess some people agree with you that Coleman was regarded as having the possibility of being the best power forward ever. I don’t really remember that. I remember him being more regarded with skepticism.

  • http://Philosophervision@blogspot.com The Philosopher

    @pache:
    Many people do not seem to know the impact that Coleman had on the Game when he came into The League. Coleman and The League were not ready for each other.
    This is true.

  • http://sjkdflsf.com Jukai

    Philo: that was me, actually.
    I’d say Coleman was actually bad for the league, the perfect image of someone who did not want or care about improving his game, just money and the limelight. The anti-thesis of the 90s. I believe the natural progression of the league would have lead to power forwards like him anyway.
    No post moves, shoddy footwork, bad passing, unfortunate shot selection, lazy defense. That’s really what he brought to the power forward position. It’s bad to the point that people see Duncan post up and they think he’s a center.
    Coleman really was simply an athletic shooting guard in a fours body. Great handle, massively strong and fast, and he could shoot it from the outside. But like, he was really not this compete, amazing power forward. I guess you could SAY if he learned all those things I mentioned he was lacking (which one can learn, given time) he would have been the greatest. But he never chose to work on ANY of them when he was in Syracuse, he just got better at what he was already good at. And then he started eating. And not practicing. And that was that.
    My Dad was a HUMONGOUS Syracuse fan and even he knew that Coleman’s height was occasional all-star. You can work on post moves and footwork, but you can’t work on BBall IQ and intensity. Dude never had it.

  • http://sjkdflsf.com Jukai

    Whoa, didn’t meant to use antithesis. Meant to use epitome, or essence. Quintessence. Bottom line, I gotta stop trying to look intelligent.

  • http://slamonline.com Allenp

    Colemman fell in love with his jumper and the drink. Plus be never liked being a pro player that much. He was very smart larry brown loved his iq.

  • http://Philosophervision@blogspot.com The Philosopher

    Jukai:
    I agree with you on many points about Derrick Coleman. Except, Coleman was underrated in a few aspects of the Game.
    Anyways, I blame Magic Johnson for some of the things you mentioned. For, Magic inspired a many a big man to think that they know how to play like a guard. (Webber, Garnett, Derrick McKey, ect.)
    And, Coleman was a great passer. A GREAT passer (for his position). Underrated defender.
    He could run the fast break. Who at his position and size before him can do that as effectively as him?…
    Like many players before and since, Coleman relied purely on instincts. He really did not need to exact his basketball intelligence quotient. He did have one, contrary to many opinion. I mean, you know how it is, I would think.
    And, I respectfully think that you are overrating Coleman’s athleticism. He was not a freak. He had a plethora of natural skill and abilities, and had athleticism that would equate to what we tend to label as average today.
    But yes, Coleman for a brief period time was “THAT dude”.
    Finally, I co-sign Allenp.

  • http://sjkdflsf.com Jukai

    Philo: Coleman was a sucky passer. He didn’t “run” the fast break. He would take the ball and go coast-to-coast. If he lost his dribble, only then would he pass.
    Coleman was a freak athlete. Not Lebron level, but he was ludicrously quick and mobile for his height, and he also had some hops. Sure, he wasn’t going to beat anyone out in a sprint, but he was 6’10, and he ran the break, that’s fast. He’s not Amare, but he was ridiculous.
    I’ll defer on defensive matters cause at that age, I wasn’t really interesting in gauging people defensively.

  • http://philosophervision@blogspot.com The Philosopher

    Jukai:
    Coleman was not a “sucky” passer. Maybe he had a bunch of turnovers or threw the ball away every time you have watched him, if you have watched him. And, he ran the break. Trust and believe that. He finished the break, and he assisted the break.
    Everything else regarding your 12:14 am comment is arguable except that he was a freak athlete. He just was not. He had a wing span that sometimes made him look like a better athlete than he really was.

  • Bayer

    Derrick coleman’s wife is a nice lady!!!

  • http://dsajfklf.com Jukai

    So at 6’10 he ran the break, but he was not a freak athlete. Alright.
    Later Philo.

  • jub_al

    WILL SOMEBODY PLEASE WRITE AN ARTICLE ON MY MAN GRANT HILL?!

  • http://Philosophervision@blogspot.com The Philosopher

    Jukai:
    You do not have to be a freak athlete to orchestrate a fast break at 6’10″.
    Was Bird a freak athlete?
    What about Dirk Nowitzki?
    What about Detlef Schrempf?
    What about Hidayet Turkoglu?
    Come on.
    I’ll give you the benefit of the doubt, and chalk it up to you being sarcastic…

  • http://www.triplejunearthed.com/dacre Dacre

    So Derrick Colemans name has been heard enough already for 2010.

  • http://Hedo Ali Duyar

    Hedo has carier best 3 point percentage this year.He is fit as he never be (thanks Suns).He was leader of Natonal team, wich was play the final against USA at world championship.He said that(last week) , he lost 9 kg (an interview with Turkish TV). I am sure he will be good in Orlando again.

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  • rikson

    Coleman could be best PF of all time?! You gotta be joking…

  • http://slamonline.com Allenp

    I’m guessing most of y’all don’t remember Coleman, don’t remember him on Dream Team 2, don’t remember him averaging 20 and 10 his first four or five seasons, and don’t remember my ranking of him on the 90s power forward list.
    Before he stopped caring, Coleman was ridiculously talented and skilled. He wasn’t about athleticism as far as quickness and jumping, but his handle was crazy for a big man, and his touch was outstanding.
    He had a nice turnaround on the block, range out out the three and he was pretty freaking large. Like I said, he had a drinking problem, an effort problem, and a jump shooting problem. His average dropped to like 40 percent at one point even though he was still getting 20 a game. I’m wagering that some of y’all don’t really remember how he played. He was kind of like Bosh, except with more bulk and a better handle.

  • http://Philosophervision@blogspot.com The Philosopher

    Order is restored.
    Thanks, Allen.

  • Justin

    I always loved watching Coleman play, dating back to the days at Syracuse (my second favourite college team ever after the Larry Johnson UNLV teams) and he had so much talent and potential. It’s a shame he had the issues he did. Sometimes I think he got a little caught up in the Kenny Anderson style of play too when they played together in New Jersey. To me, Kenny Anderson was another waste of potential and I don’t think either of them helped each other’s cause

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