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Thursday, November 3rd, 2011 at 10:25 am  |  90 responses

Jerry Stackhouse: Derek Fisher Not Qualified to Represent Players in Lockout


It’s been a rough few last days for Union prez Derek Fisher, and now it appears that some NBA players are beginning to turn on him. Jerry Stackhouse tells ESPN Radio that he doesn’t feel comfortable with Fish representing him and the other players in the battle against team owners. Per EOB: “Not to say anything against Derek Fisher, it’s not that I don’t think he’s a great guy,’ Stackhouse said, ‘But I don’t want him negotiating my contract. I want an agent who knows the lingo negotiating my contract. Derek Fisher, he doesn’t negotiate his own contract. He has an agent. So why would I want him negotiating something even bigger than his contract? This [Collective Bargaining Agreement] is something more important to everybody.’ If that wasn’t clear enough for you, Stackhouse went on to leave no doubt that he feels Fisher is outmatched in the current negotiation. ‘David Stern, he’s made this league what it is,” Stackhouse said. ‘He’s one of the greatest commissioners in sports. He’s got that title, he’s got the NBA at the place where it is because he’s a shrewd businessman and knows how to work his way, play the media, play things up to get what he wants. We don’t do that. Players are emotional. Players get emotional. So no, I don’t necessarily, particularly want Derek Fisher or any of the executive committee negotiating a contract for me.’ While Stackhouse sounded reluctant to outright accuse Fisher of disloyalty to his members, he clearly left the possibility open. ‘I don’t know [if Derek met with the NBA],’ Stackhouse said. ‘I would hope not. I don’t think Derek is that kind of guy from what I’ve seen. But at the same time, he does have aspirations to possibly be a G.M. one day. If he can be the guy to bring the sides together in whatever way, maybe there would be an opportunity for him to be a G.M. I’m not saying that he has an ulterior motive but the possibility lies there.’ If there was a silver lining for Fisher, it was that Stackhouse’s frustration with the NBPA pre-dated Fisher’s tenure as president, which began in 2006. ‘Over the course of my career, the last 16 years, it seems like the executive committee is always making concessions,’ Stackhouse said. ‘More concessions, more concessions in each Collective Bargaining Agreement and this is no different. I don’t think there’s ever been a case where it seems like we have any leverage… We need to have more people who are capable of going toe to toe with David Stern and I just don’t think players who spend most of their time playing basketball and Billy Hunter are geared to do that.’”

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  • http://slamonline.com Allenp

    Jerry Stackhouse mistakenly believes that there is a way for him to gain leverage in a situation where he is paid millions of dollars to play a game.
    He is mistaken.
    Even a strike wouldn’t give players leverage. Because the owners would just wait them out. And they would come back to the money they are addicted to as much as a junkie is addicted to heroin.
    The owners write the checks, the owners have the wealth, and thus, the owners have the leverage.

  • http://www.slamonline.com Eboy

    Brilliant….I guess he’s a Laker hater too for criticizing Fisher’s horrible representation. *rolls eyes at every 14 year old Kobe slurper* Stack get’s it.

  • MikeC.

    Jerry Stackhouse is still in the players’ union? I’m not a labor expert, but my assumption is that you still have to be employed in a profession to be in that profession’s union.

  • JR

    MikeC said it before I could. This is hilarious.

  • Mburb321

    Fisher is just trying to fix what Hunter screwed up. By not decertifying like the agents wanted the players lost all leverage and will never get higher then 50%. So why not take it and not lose checks?

  • http://slamonline.com Allenp

    Ray Allen negotiated his own deal with the help of a lawyers. Said it didn’t make sense to give an agent all that money when the contracts are mostly boilerplate.
    Players who think they need their “agents” are typically weakminded and lazy.
    Most players could save tons of money by doing their deals on their own and getting a lawyer to be paid by the hour.

  • Mburb321

    Kind of the same thing most agents are lawyers and deal with contract negotiations on a daily basis. They care about the players wallets because it directly affects their own, hunter cares about his ego.

  • MikeC.

    @Allenp – I remember when Ray negotiated that contract. I think there is still a place for player agents. For max-level players, like Ray was at the time, negotiating that contract was easy. Ray just needed a lawyer to go over the contract, but all he really had to do was say “Hey, I’m a max-level player, so give me the max contract.” Done and done. Agents aren’t needed to negotiate contracts for All-Stars. Agents are needed to get Darko $20mil and Luke Walton $30mil. Which is why we have this lockout. What was my point?

  • bike

    The players, collectively, are simply amateurs at this kind of thing. They call owners ‘owners’ for a reason. Like it or not, in a sense the players are owned. The owners want control, they want their power restored. When the big three was formed in MIA, the owners perceived that as a loss of control and figured now is the time to rein the boys in a bit. It’s crazy, probably unfair, but that’s the way it is.

  • http://slamonline.com Allenp

    Bike
    I agree.
    Mburb
    Most agents are not lawyers. That is a misconception. Agents are people who file the paperwork to become agents.
    Mike C
    Honestly, I don’t think agents go and get people great deals. Rashard Lewis said Orlando just called his agent and offered the max. They didn’t push for it at all.
    I think agents help keep track of finances, responsibilities and set up certain outside deals. But, since most NBA players don’t have those, they really hire these cats so they don’t have to concentrate on things they don’t want to think about. It’s a convenience thing more than a need thing.

  • DieselMechanic

    cosign Stack

  • LA Huey

    Yeah, Shuttlesworth know what’s up.
    Also, if I’m not mistaken, it’s not just Stern, Silver, Fisher, and Hunter in a room by themselves. They’re all flanked by lawyers.

  • Patrick

    This is a great point imo. This is the first time I’ve ever heard this. But it makes complete sense. Players don’t even negotiate their own contracts..why they be negotiating the massive CBA.

  • Mburb321

    @Allenp I have to disagree with you on that one buddy. Most agents and especially the ones that influence these negotiations def are lawyers or have their law degree. Almost all well known agents have their degree: Leon Rose, Rob Pelinka, Arn Tellem, Dan Fegan, Mark Steinberg, Drew Rosenhaus etc maybe some new or smaller agents don’t but its away of earning credibility.

  • Jlc171

    You have to have a player on the committee for player perspective. If they didn’t, players would complain that there are no players on the committee! Fisher has alway come off as an honest hard working guy. Keep up the good work Derek.

  • http://bedotwater.bandcamp.com BE.water

    Eboy, arent you a grown a$$ man? lol You act like a child sometimes. How about not b*tching about “Lakers Slurpers” til we actually see one? And arent you a Heat “slurper”??? Whats the difference?

  • Visionary38

    If Jerry Stackhouse has an issue with the proceedings..why hasn’t he attended the meetings himself, stated his case and had some real imput, instead of tearing down the Union President that he voted on and appointed?!
    Billy Hunter is the person going head to head with David Stern……Fisher is there to voice the opinions of the players and make sure that Hunter is negotiating in GOOD FAITH in respect to the players!
    Stackhouse has never been known to show any kind of real intellect…..so I wonder why he is all of a sudden trying to speak intellectually………?!

  • Riggs

    one didnt get swept by the mavs?

  • robb

    Derek is very smart and he’s a good guy, probably that’s the problem. Stackhouse is right about that, the players need a cunning, cold blooded son of a b*tch representing the players so he can go toe to toe with someone like Stern.

  • http://www.michaelcho.com M Cho

    @AllenP: Mburb321 is right, from my experience most agents are lawyers or retain the council of one in their agency. The big value of an agent is in negotiating a contract, and you definitely need a lawyer to keep on top of that legalese – especially at that level of money.

  • robb

    or someone like Hunter

  • http://cnbc.com JTaylor21

    Most agents are not lawyers, what? Then why am I thinking about going to law school in the hopes of becoming an agent?

  • http://slamonline.com Allenp

    I stand corrected then MBurb and MCho. I remember reading that many agents are not lawyers, and I remember talking to an agent who said the same thing years ago. Maybe that has changed.
    And it doesn’t matter who is arguing for hte players, the only threat they really have is the possibility that a federal court with buck all judicial precedent and decide that the lockout is illegal. That is it. That’s a weak hand no matter who is playing it.

  • B

    Last time I checked Jerry Stackhouse does not have an NBA contract which means he doesn’t play for team which also means HE HAS NO CONTRACT to negotiate. What Stackhouse should have said was he feels an agent should represent the players and not another player because players can’t understand the lingo the way an agent would. It seems as if Fisher is doing all he can. The reason the lock-out has continued is because the PLAYERS refused the 50/50 BRI by the owners.

  • http://slamonline.com LakeShow

    BE.Water, The best way to utilize Eboy’s 7 year old girl like remarks is to think about how you have already made strides as a human being to not act like a bratty little b*tch. BUT, when your team looks like a similar group of adolescents that is upset at mommy and daddy for not getting a championship then you follow in that trait I suppose. It should be especially embarrassing when your well over 50 years of age. BUT, that’s why they have coined the phrase “MAN CHILD.”

  • http://Slamonline.com nbk

    I’m sorry but your just as likely to hate on Eboy at this point as he is to hate the Lakers. And you look more petty and sensitive then he looks childish. Considering he hates a basketball team and it’s illogical fans (nobody named you, don’t get defensive) and you hate him, a person, for his dislike of your team.

  • http://slamonline.com LakeShow

    Thanks hall monitor nbk.

  • bike

    Stack isn’t helping the players out at all by criticizing Fisher. He should keep his mouth shut. This is yet another example of how amateurish the players are in this dispute. At this stage of the game, they want to keep their losses at a minimum and the best way to accomplish that is to provide a united front. Public displays of within-player divisions are adding more blood in the water. There is nothing that would put a bigger smile on Stern’s face right now than the players turning on Hunter and Fisher.

  • http://Slamonline.com nbk

    Your welcome sensitive little guy

  • http://theurbangriot.com The Nupe

    Only a part of an agents job is to negotiate the NBA contract. Most of the time is spent getting side/endorsement deals, setting up trust/foundations, oranizing public appearances and providing ‘guidance’ on how to best create/protect the players brand. Player contracts are somewhat ‘easy’ as market value is somewhat defined (not that the sides can’t disagree), contract length is a snagging point as well, but nothilng that can’t be worked out.

  • http://slamonline.com LakeShow

    This sensitive little guy will be the bigger man on this one, Peace.

  • Jeff

    Jerry Stackhouse not qualified to play in the NBA.

  • http://Slamonline.com nbk

    Haha that sure is what the bigger “man” would have said.

  • Chukaz

    I agree with stack. Sure fisher is good at taking charges and misfiring from 3, but that doesn’t qualify him to do sh*t. For starters, if the players were to decided to sit out the season and wait for a court ruling they would gain mad leverage (everyone knows that they’re gonna win in court and the owners would lose several billion dollars if this were to happen)

  • http://www.slamonline.com Nick Tha Quick

    @ Eboy’s comments. It is no secret here you find particular joy in any anti-Laker and anti-Kobe article/game outcome/negative press. You’re usually one of the very first to comment on such posts. That is the highlight of your day. Anyone who disagrees with you is ALWAYS a ‘teenage slurper’, however reasonable and concise they make their arguments. Doesn’t the energy you spend unconditionally defending LBJ/Wade/Heat equally make you a 52 year old slurper?
    The past five NBAPA presidents: Buck Williams, Patrick Ewing, Michael Curry,Antonio Davis and DFish. President has to be a current player. What makes all these dudes more (or less) qualified than DFish? Last time I checked Stack wasn’t on any team roster. He has his opinion like everyone here. Doesn’t mean he’s right. I’m sure you think your Heat dudes Jamal Magloire or Joel Anthony would make better presidents than DFish.

  • http://slamonline.com nbk

    Read what was posted by Whitlock this morning regarding Fisher as NBPA President. He talks about why players like Fisher (and Michael Curry before him)are not suited for that job. He makes it pretty simple to understand.

  • http://www.slamonline.com Nick Tha Quick

    And on the same note, since DFish is apparently unqualified to be the pres, name any other active player who is more qualified than DFish and why?

  • http://slamonline.com nbk

    Veterans that have made enough money too not have to think about their job opportunities after basketball. (Derek Fisher wants to be a GM, or Coach after he’s done playing. It would be hard to get hired as such by an owner if you are hardlined against what they are seeking, look at what happened with Michael Curry after he negotiated the last CBA and then retired and was on the fast track to NBA front offices, he received an ill-deserved head coaching Job in Detroit that netted him $7.5M) Steve Nash, Elton Brand, Grant Hill would all be better candidates to get a fair deal representing the players then Derek Fisher.

  • http://www.bulls.com Enigmatic

    I’ll never read anything by Whitlock ever again.
    FTP.

  • http://slamonline.com LakeShow

    Why do you have to use common sense and reason Nick? Seriously man, can’t you just try and start drama and be a secret Heat fan like certain other people on here. On a final note, your a teenage slurper for using your brain instead of giving brain.

  • http://slamonline.com nbk

    I dont give Whitlock time on the toilet to read his articles for the most part. But what he said about Fisher being a questionable at best leader for the union made sense too me. I don’t see any reason that Stern would portray that the lockout is just about over (like he did last week) unless he thought he had a deal coming. What reason would he have to act that way? Can someone logically explain that aspect of all of this? When has Stern ever made it seem like they are close to a deal when really they are no closer then they were a month ago? Unless he thought he had something worked out….. it’s not like Stern to look so wrong regarding negotiations, he is usually non-commital about any optimistic or pessimistic outlook regarding the lockout, except for last week.

  • http://www.slamonline.com Nick Tha Quick

    @ NBK My simple point is that you shouldn’t base your opinion on what Stack says or what Whitlock writes. Make your own independent opinion. I also think that if players didn’t like/want DFish as their prez then they wouldn’t have elected/re-elected him. That simple. The guys you named above. If they are head and shoulders above DFish, don’t you think their fellow players would see this and would fight to have them as the prez instead? Instead we base all this on Stack’s comments and possibly Stern’s clever use of the media machine.

  • http://slamonline.com nbk

    My opinion is not based off of what Whitlock or Stack says. What they say just plays into my line of thinking and sums it up better then I have the ability too. Plus Whitlock’s views are extreme, its like he knows there is a BBQ in the neighborhood, but he doesn’t know where, or how much food there is. (just a sh*tty analogy to show that a dog can smell something and still not really know that much about it) – about the President of the Union question, I don’t know the specifics of how a player is elected, but I would assume they have to want the position in the first place. And judging by the Suns & 76ers Union representatives (Dudley & Childress) (Kapono, Hawes), those types of responsibilities are not something Brand, Nash & Hill are interested in. But that doesn’t mean they wouldn’t make better union presidents. Basically I think any player that doesn’t have a “down the road” financial concern or aspiration to work in an NBA front office and is a visible member of the NBA community (a player with a degree of fame) and is well educated would make a better president then a guy like Fisher, who plans to work for the very people he is up against in the very near future.

  • http://www.slamonline.com Nick Tha Quick

    So in essence, you’re saying that Brand, Nash and Hill who appear to be well educated, very much involved in their communities and are widely respected, veteran leaders with no future NBA management/coaching aspirations and who want nothing to do with player representation would make a better prez than DFish? You’re basically saying that guys who meet your criteria of qualification but have never shown any interest would be better at an equally qualified guy who’s had 5 years experience at that position. I just don’t get it. I’m not saying that DFish is the greatest player prez of all times but he’s done nothing wrong( that we know about) so why are we so ready to tear him down?

  • http://www.slamonline.com Eboy

    Stop crying.

  • http://Slamonline.com nbk

    Because he’s leading a movement of concessions. Not a negotiation – it’s more like ultimatums. In Order for the players to get anything more then a 50/50 (which isnt reAlly 50/50) split after this next CBA the players will have to Strike, you realize that? During the 99 negotiation the Owners had too lock out the players just to get 43%. If you ask me, Fisher has done nothing but fail as the NBPA President. Just like Billy Hunter has failed to adulate the public about the real meaning of these negotiations and BRI split. I don’t at all think allthe blame should be on Fisher, I just feel the president should have some form of leverage with either the owners or the public. And Fisher has neither.

  • http://www.slamonline.com Nick Tha Quick

    Please explain what exactly DFish has failed at as President. The players don’t really have any leverage with the owners. Fish or any other player cannot manufacture leverage out of thin air and expect the owners to cave. I see your point that Fish could have handled the public/press considerably more to the players advantage. Other than that, I fail to see exactly where he’s failed miserably. [Side note, you also live in Phx?]

  • Mburb321

    Guys Stephen A already explained it on 750.In the beginning D.Fish and Kobe were two of the most hardcore supporters of 54%, but once the union missed its opportunity to decertify (because of HUNTER)they pretty much lost ALL LEVERAGE.Think about how things have changed Kobe and KG walked into sterns office and said 54 or no deal to then talking about setting up a fund for players to now all of a sudden being ok with 50/50, just because Fish is trying to get a job? NO its because its only going to go lower then 50% from here on. The rank and file guys cannot afford to miss checks and Fish knows it, thats why hes trying to settle for 50/50 no other reasons. The owners called their bluff and they were right.

  • http://aol QGallday

    man….i gotta headache….nba was my aspirin…i need my prescriptioNNN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!NOW

  • http://Slamonline.com nbk

    Yeah I live in Phoenix, does that matter? – maybe “failed” when talkin about fisher is the wrong word, but there are ways to get leverage. The Public controls the perception, if the NBPA got the public to realize the split at 57, 43 was already basically 50/50 – and that in most similar industries (Entertainment industry for example) the talent takes home a much larger cut then 50% don’t you think the players would have leverage with the most important group in this whole thing? The fans… (only the “die-hard” fans have even an idea about the specifics of the lockout.). Fisher is at the en of his career, and aspired for a front office job. Even if there was leverage too have, what makes you think Fisher would use it in the public against his future employers? Because he wrote a “letter to the players” (which didn’t even make it too the majority of players, even though Fisher said it was sent to every one of them, most of them read it in the media). Or because he threatened to sue Whitlock? I know a lot of people who get caught doin something shady try and flip their actions on their accuser to absolve themselves of suspicion, what makes everyone think Fisher isn’t just coverig his ass? It’s not like an owner is going to come out and snitch on Fisher or confirm Whitlocks “sources” that would be detrimental too the whole league, Fisher has free reign to deny and make idol threats, there is no leverage in disputing fisher or any party, players or owners.

  • Mburb321

    @nbk other stars are now saying take 50/50 and most rank and file players want 50/50, so are they being offered jobs to? This has nothing to do with some back door deal for Fisher its simply that the players cant afford to miss checks and the deal isnt getting any better.

  • Mburb321

    @nbk there is nothing fisher could of said or done that would win the general public over. No stats, graphs or powerpoints. People dont care that your salary is being cut from 5 mill to 3 million they just see it has your still better off then 95% of the country.

  • http://Slamonline.com nbk

    It should never have gotten to this point. If you asked the 90′s reps for a 50/50 split we would still be locked out. And the league was smaller then. Who cares what guys want now, If your definition of a successful “negotiation” consists only of concessions then Fisher is a great president. Happy?

  • http://www.slamonline.com Nick Tha Quick

    Nbk…reason I ask is I just moved here few weeks ago. Thought you lived out here too.

  • http://slamonline.com nbk

    Oh word that’s dope, how you likin it?

  • bike

    Public perception would matter if all NBA fans were educated about the lockout and passionate about the players getting a fair deal. But they aren’t. The vast majority of NBA fans really don’t care anything about this mess. NBA players reside in a surreal world that most of can’t even fathom living in. And no matter how all this goes down, they still are going to have it pretty good—much better than most of us. They get paid huge sums of money to play the game they love and are treated very well for doing what they do. There is no leverage whatsoever for the players in terms of fan support.

  • http://cnbc.com JTaylor21

    NBA players get no fan support with regards to the Lockout because most fans resent them and the amount of money they make. Most clowns out there think it’s easy to play in the NBA therefore these guys shouldn’t be making millions of dollars. What they fail to realize is it takes hard-work and dedication from a young age just to make it to the pros and even more just to be a decent NBA players.

  • http://slamonline.com Allenp

    ^Which is crazy because what fans are really saying is that players should take whatever they are offered so fans can get what they want… games.
    That is yet another example of the way selfishness among the masses allows the ruling elite to retain power.

  • http://slamonline.com Allenp

    My comment was for Bike.
    I agree with JTaylor, which I have said before.
    I would add that fans also think that NBA players don’t deserve their money because many of them lack college degrees and regularly use poor standard English.
    They also look like what people consider to be “thugs.”
    And, they are fighting against the business elite, which is a class of people many Americans resent, but secretly would like to join if they could, and feel like if they just work hard enough, it’s possible.
    In comparison, it doesn’t matter how hard most Americans work, they will never have the combination of skills and raw talent needed to make the NBA.
    And there you have it.

  • http://www.kb24.com The Seed

    I stated this some posts ago, that Derek Fisher should not be running the players union and help negotiate things, because he is not qualified to do it. Just because he is a good guy means nothing, he should be in the background. NBA players should hire someone to run the players union, who has background in this area, not a role player for the Lakers. BOOK IT!!

  • LA Huey

    ^They did hire someone. His name is Billy Hunter. Fisher is a figurehead and there to make sure Hunter is bargaining in good faith and in the interest of the players.

  • http://www.kb24.com The Seed

    ^I know that, but Fisher has not business being in any meeting about other players money, voicing his opinion. He should be practicing on shooting and staying in front of CP3. BOOK IT!

  • http://slamonline.com LakeShow

    Tourettes has left the building.

  • http://www.bulls.com Enigmatic

    I GOTTA find that old post I wrote bout dude and tourettes. lol

  • Mburb321

    JTaylor The general public does resent NBA players but I wouldn’t say the average NBA fan does. Us NBA fans actually appreciate all the hard work that players put in, which is why we are willing to spend so much of OUR money on jerseys, league pass, and tickets! What makes us so mad is that we are realists and it is clear the owners have deeper pockets and can hold out longer.Hunter has let his pride and ego get in the way. What exactly are they going to accomplish by refusing 50/50? They’ll end up missing a whole season to come back next year and still hear 50/50 or no deal.

  • Marc_Brand

    Jerry Stackhouse?! I’m sorry I didn’t even know he was in the league the last two years. GTFOH! Around this time of the lock out, you going to get all these B and C players starting to whine because they bank accounts drying up quick. It’s obvious that Derrick Fisher is not the first and last decision-maker in the process, he is just the representative of the collective and he has to still answer to the collective….but if that means washed up players like Jerry Stackhouse get to talk, maybe yall are in trouble.

  • http://Slamonline.com nbk

    He has a radio show dude

  • http://slamonline.com Tae

    Man, i think some Lakers fuc*ed Eboy’s wife or somethin. Tha hate is thick

  • http://cnbc.com JTaylor21

    Mburb321, there’s a difference between NBA “fans” and true NBA fans. NBA “fans” are the ones that occasionally tune into a game on ESPN or during Christmas because it’s being shown on the “big” networks then you have the true fans like most cats on here that will go out of their way to watch a game, pay 100+ for LP, go to the ends of the earth to watch basketball even when there isn’t ball on TV, basically eat, sleep and sh*t the NBA. Those are the guys that understand and appreciate the dedication, hard-work and supreme talent it takes to make an NBA squad. There’s a big difference between both groups.

  • http://cnbc.com JTaylor21

    Also, ones ability to totally ignore your significant other while watching a game is key.

  • http://www.slamonline.com Nick Tha Quick

    @ JT Also, when you’re significant other realizes that while its sad and pathetic, it’s also admirable that you’re willing to watch Euro/FIBA games online to satisfy your appetite for real hoops in the absence of NBA. Btw AK47 is a beast with CSK Moscow!

  • http://www.slamonline.com Nick Tha Quick

    @ nbk it’s been great so far. Just can’t seem to find decent places to hoop. Everything so far out.

  • http://Slamonline.com nbk

    What part of the city you in if you don’t mind me askin

  • unrel

    if i was stack.. i’d be quiet.. cause he ain’t getting any max contracts anytime soon..

  • http://www.slamonline.com Nick Tha Quick

    Midtown. Central/Indian school.

  • http://Slamonline.com nbk

    Damn yeah there really isn’t much over there that I know of. Phoenix College used too have games on weekdays at like 4 during the offseason at like 15h ave and Thomas, not sure if that’s still goin or even who the coach is now though – other then that I don’t know of anything consistent over there, unless you got an LA fitness with a gym, those normally got hoop. But I’ll ask around for you and see if I can find anything.

  • http://www.triplejunearthed.com/dacre Dacre

    I’ve always wanted to live in Phoenix….

  • http://www.triplejunearthed.com/dacre Dacre

    nbk – correct me if I’m wrong…. your not a BIG suns fan…right? Who’s your team of choice?

  • http://Slamonline.com nbk

    No I’m not a big suns fan but I would consider that “my team” if I had too pick one. But it doesn’t really matter too me

  • Stefano

    Jerry leave the field to the young guns, you already gained millions of dollars without winning anything ……… that means everything.

  • dan

    i never knew that stack was that smart

  • http://slamonline.com The Black Rick Kamla

    MikeC…technically he’s a free agent….

  • ClydeSays

    I can’t understand why Fisher the face of the NBPA? Shouldn’t it be a player(s) who will actually have to work under the conditions that are laid down by the next agreement? Yes, the vets should advise the current/younger player but step the hell back. If Fisher makes a mess of this, it’s the young free agents & rookies who will pay the price.

  • CubicleWorker

    It’s not that NBA players don’t deserve the money they’re making. Their salaries won’t even be reduced. It’s just moving forward the BRI portion will be lowered. However, with growth in the NBA in about 2 years, new player contracts will be about the same as they are today (save for MLE). Nobody is taking a pay cut here, its just future pay that won’t be growing at the same rate. When you look at a $5M/annum average salary, it’s not that big of a deal.

  • CubicleWorker

    And to say that most players don’t have the education to negotiate a CBA isn’t a stretch of the imagination. Most rookies probably have 18-24 university credits and a CBA is full of complex legal theories and definitions. It’s not racist, it’s just truth. NBA players are competitive, for some reason they feel that 53% represents some type of principal that they are trying to fight for…

  • MAgic Fan

    what the hell does it matter to stackhouse, he acts like hes gonna be in this league for another decade, give it up stack your done you’ve made your millions why are u so concerned about this next CBA deal when u got about 1 year left in the tank…..if that.

  • http://myspace.com/gametimeweezy Gametimeweezy

    Stack with the most real assesment of whats REALLY been going on here… and it’s disgusting!

  • SouthPaw

    Not sure why players are complaining about MJ, he’s not being a hypocrite in my eyes…he’s just on the other side of the fence. Let’s all be honest, today’s players are significantly over paid. There’s only a handful of players who deserve their respective salary, the wades, lebrons, kobes, cp3 etc…but then the rest of the players, like Derek Fisher gets paid more than what Scotti Pippen got paid…what does that tell you??? c’mon man, most of today’s players are bugging and are being cry babies…MJ player for free while on the wizards, what happened to ‘for the love of the game’….and MJ didn’t really start getting paid what he deserved until he’s last 3 years, before that he was grossly getting underpaid…as the face of the league and all the revenue he was bringing in world wide…

    lucky for him he had AD money…lol.

    Derek Fisher in no way shape or form, whether he contributed or not, should be getting paid what he’s getting paid…he’s a 4th tier player for crying out loud. There are better players in the league who get paid less than he does and are on smaller market teams. During the 2010-11 season D. Fisher was paid 3.7 million dollars, while in Utah 5.8 million. Do you know how much Scottie Pippen was getting paid during the bulls last run 96-98??$2.9,$2.2,$2.7 million dollars for those 3 years. Derek Fisher is not and will not ever be a HOF, so for him to get paid those figures is sacrilege.

    All these players are all benefiting from what MJ did to the league and how much he globalized the NBA. For them not agree on a 50/50 deal is crazy.

    The way I would do it would be.
    Tier 1 Players – Receive 55-50 of BRI
    all others 50/50.

    The reason I do that, is because if you wanna get paid, you have to work. 4/5ths of these players, get their 6 year 100+million dollar contracts and cruise and claim injuries…*cough Joe Johnson, Arenas etc*..

    BRI should get paid highest to those bringing money to the league and is no secret that is the LBJs, Kobe’s Wades etc…aside from that I’m sorry, we’re splitting – simple as that.

  • Peter

    Stackhouse is a genius. What they really need to lead the NBA Players Union is a player who is a lawyer. There must be so many to chose from…

    No? Then how about a lawyer who has never played the game? Ah, maybe not…

    Perhaps a player who really cares about all the players and the game. One who is willing to put his heart and soul into the negotiations. Like say…Fish!

  • Najee

    Man i don’t care what nobody says Derek Fisher is messing it up for this guys. If he wasn’t trying to change the contracts around the NBA would have already started in the middle of this month. But it hasn’t cause of him

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