Thursday, November 3rd, 2011 at 10:25 am  |  90 responses

Jerry Stackhouse: Derek Fisher Not Qualified to Represent Players in Lockout


It’s been a rough few last days for Union prez Derek Fisher, and now it appears that some NBA players are beginning to turn on him. Jerry Stackhouse tells ESPN Radio that he doesn’t feel comfortable with Fish representing him and the other players in the battle against team owners. Per EOB: “Not to say anything against Derek Fisher, it’s not that I don’t think he’s a great guy,’ Stackhouse said, ‘But I don’t want him negotiating my contract. I want an agent who knows the lingo negotiating my contract. Derek Fisher, he doesn’t negotiate his own contract. He has an agent. So why would I want him negotiating something even bigger than his contract? This [Collective Bargaining Agreement] is something more important to everybody.’ If that wasn’t clear enough for you, Stackhouse went on to leave no doubt that he feels Fisher is outmatched in the current negotiation. ‘David Stern, he’s made this league what it is,” Stackhouse said. ‘He’s one of the greatest commissioners in sports. He’s got that title, he’s got the NBA at the place where it is because he’s a shrewd businessman and knows how to work his way, play the media, play things up to get what he wants. We don’t do that. Players are emotional. Players get emotional. So no, I don’t necessarily, particularly want Derek Fisher or any of the executive committee negotiating a contract for me.’ While Stackhouse sounded reluctant to outright accuse Fisher of disloyalty to his members, he clearly left the possibility open. ‘I don’t know [if Derek met with the NBA],’ Stackhouse said. ‘I would hope not. I don’t think Derek is that kind of guy from what I’ve seen. But at the same time, he does have aspirations to possibly be a G.M. one day. If he can be the guy to bring the sides together in whatever way, maybe there would be an opportunity for him to be a G.M. I’m not saying that he has an ulterior motive but the possibility lies there.’ If there was a silver lining for Fisher, it was that Stackhouse’s frustration with the NBPA pre-dated Fisher’s tenure as president, which began in 2006. ‘Over the course of my career, the last 16 years, it seems like the executive committee is always making concessions,’ Stackhouse said. ‘More concessions, more concessions in each Collective Bargaining Agreement and this is no different. I don’t think there’s ever been a case where it seems like we have any leverage… We need to have more people who are capable of going toe to toe with David Stern and I just don’t think players who spend most of their time playing basketball and Billy Hunter are geared to do that.’”

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  • Mburb321

    @nbk other stars are now saying take 50/50 and most rank and file players want 50/50, so are they being offered jobs to? This has nothing to do with some back door deal for Fisher its simply that the players cant afford to miss checks and the deal isnt getting any better.

  • Mburb321

    @nbk there is nothing fisher could of said or done that would win the general public over. No stats, graphs or powerpoints. People dont care that your salary is being cut from 5 mill to 3 million they just see it has your still better off then 95% of the country.

  • http://Slamonline.com nbk

    It should never have gotten to this point. If you asked the 90′s reps for a 50/50 split we would still be locked out. And the league was smaller then. Who cares what guys want now, If your definition of a successful “negotiation” consists only of concessions then Fisher is a great president. Happy?

  • http://www.slamonline.com Nick Tha Quick

    Nbk…reason I ask is I just moved here few weeks ago. Thought you lived out here too.

  • http://slamonline.com nbk

    Oh word that’s dope, how you likin it?

  • bike

    Public perception would matter if all NBA fans were educated about the lockout and passionate about the players getting a fair deal. But they aren’t. The vast majority of NBA fans really don’t care anything about this mess. NBA players reside in a surreal world that most of can’t even fathom living in. And no matter how all this goes down, they still are going to have it pretty good—much better than most of us. They get paid huge sums of money to play the game they love and are treated very well for doing what they do. There is no leverage whatsoever for the players in terms of fan support.

  • http://cnbc.com JTaylor21

    NBA players get no fan support with regards to the Lockout because most fans resent them and the amount of money they make. Most clowns out there think it’s easy to play in the NBA therefore these guys shouldn’t be making millions of dollars. What they fail to realize is it takes hard-work and dedication from a young age just to make it to the pros and even more just to be a decent NBA players.

  • http://slamonline.com Allenp

    ^Which is crazy because what fans are really saying is that players should take whatever they are offered so fans can get what they want… games.
    That is yet another example of the way selfishness among the masses allows the ruling elite to retain power.

  • http://slamonline.com Allenp

    My comment was for Bike.
    I agree with JTaylor, which I have said before.
    I would add that fans also think that NBA players don’t deserve their money because many of them lack college degrees and regularly use poor standard English.
    They also look like what people consider to be “thugs.”
    And, they are fighting against the business elite, which is a class of people many Americans resent, but secretly would like to join if they could, and feel like if they just work hard enough, it’s possible.
    In comparison, it doesn’t matter how hard most Americans work, they will never have the combination of skills and raw talent needed to make the NBA.
    And there you have it.

  • http://www.kb24.com The Seed

    I stated this some posts ago, that Derek Fisher should not be running the players union and help negotiate things, because he is not qualified to do it. Just because he is a good guy means nothing, he should be in the background. NBA players should hire someone to run the players union, who has background in this area, not a role player for the Lakers. BOOK IT!!

  • LA Huey

    ^They did hire someone. His name is Billy Hunter. Fisher is a figurehead and there to make sure Hunter is bargaining in good faith and in the interest of the players.

  • http://www.kb24.com The Seed

    ^I know that, but Fisher has not business being in any meeting about other players money, voicing his opinion. He should be practicing on shooting and staying in front of CP3. BOOK IT!

  • http://slamonline.com LakeShow

    Tourettes has left the building.

  • http://www.bulls.com Enigmatic

    I GOTTA find that old post I wrote bout dude and tourettes. lol

  • Mburb321

    JTaylor The general public does resent NBA players but I wouldn’t say the average NBA fan does. Us NBA fans actually appreciate all the hard work that players put in, which is why we are willing to spend so much of OUR money on jerseys, league pass, and tickets! What makes us so mad is that we are realists and it is clear the owners have deeper pockets and can hold out longer.Hunter has let his pride and ego get in the way. What exactly are they going to accomplish by refusing 50/50? They’ll end up missing a whole season to come back next year and still hear 50/50 or no deal.

  • Marc_Brand

    Jerry Stackhouse?! I’m sorry I didn’t even know he was in the league the last two years. GTFOH! Around this time of the lock out, you going to get all these B and C players starting to whine because they bank accounts drying up quick. It’s obvious that Derrick Fisher is not the first and last decision-maker in the process, he is just the representative of the collective and he has to still answer to the collective….but if that means washed up players like Jerry Stackhouse get to talk, maybe yall are in trouble.

  • http://Slamonline.com nbk

    He has a radio show dude

  • http://slamonline.com Tae

    Man, i think some Lakers fuc*ed Eboy’s wife or somethin. Tha hate is thick

  • http://cnbc.com JTaylor21

    Mburb321, there’s a difference between NBA “fans” and true NBA fans. NBA “fans” are the ones that occasionally tune into a game on ESPN or during Christmas because it’s being shown on the “big” networks then you have the true fans like most cats on here that will go out of their way to watch a game, pay 100+ for LP, go to the ends of the earth to watch basketball even when there isn’t ball on TV, basically eat, sleep and sh*t the NBA. Those are the guys that understand and appreciate the dedication, hard-work and supreme talent it takes to make an NBA squad. There’s a big difference between both groups.

  • http://cnbc.com JTaylor21

    Also, ones ability to totally ignore your significant other while watching a game is key.

  • http://www.slamonline.com Nick Tha Quick

    @ JT Also, when you’re significant other realizes that while its sad and pathetic, it’s also admirable that you’re willing to watch Euro/FIBA games online to satisfy your appetite for real hoops in the absence of NBA. Btw AK47 is a beast with CSK Moscow!

  • http://www.slamonline.com Nick Tha Quick

    @ nbk it’s been great so far. Just can’t seem to find decent places to hoop. Everything so far out.

  • http://Slamonline.com nbk

    What part of the city you in if you don’t mind me askin

  • unrel

    if i was stack.. i’d be quiet.. cause he ain’t getting any max contracts anytime soon..

  • http://www.slamonline.com Nick Tha Quick

    Midtown. Central/Indian school.

  • http://Slamonline.com nbk

    Damn yeah there really isn’t much over there that I know of. Phoenix College used too have games on weekdays at like 4 during the offseason at like 15h ave and Thomas, not sure if that’s still goin or even who the coach is now though – other then that I don’t know of anything consistent over there, unless you got an LA fitness with a gym, those normally got hoop. But I’ll ask around for you and see if I can find anything.

  • http://www.triplejunearthed.com/dacre Dacre

    I’ve always wanted to live in Phoenix….

  • http://www.triplejunearthed.com/dacre Dacre

    nbk – correct me if I’m wrong…. your not a BIG suns fan…right? Who’s your team of choice?

  • http://Slamonline.com nbk

    No I’m not a big suns fan but I would consider that “my team” if I had too pick one. But it doesn’t really matter too me

  • Stefano

    Jerry leave the field to the young guns, you already gained millions of dollars without winning anything ……… that means everything.

  • dan

    i never knew that stack was that smart

  • http://slamonline.com The Black Rick Kamla

    MikeC…technically he’s a free agent….

  • ClydeSays

    I can’t understand why Fisher the face of the NBPA? Shouldn’t it be a player(s) who will actually have to work under the conditions that are laid down by the next agreement? Yes, the vets should advise the current/younger player but step the hell back. If Fisher makes a mess of this, it’s the young free agents & rookies who will pay the price.

  • CubicleWorker

    It’s not that NBA players don’t deserve the money they’re making. Their salaries won’t even be reduced. It’s just moving forward the BRI portion will be lowered. However, with growth in the NBA in about 2 years, new player contracts will be about the same as they are today (save for MLE). Nobody is taking a pay cut here, its just future pay that won’t be growing at the same rate. When you look at a $5M/annum average salary, it’s not that big of a deal.

  • CubicleWorker

    And to say that most players don’t have the education to negotiate a CBA isn’t a stretch of the imagination. Most rookies probably have 18-24 university credits and a CBA is full of complex legal theories and definitions. It’s not racist, it’s just truth. NBA players are competitive, for some reason they feel that 53% represents some type of principal that they are trying to fight for…

  • MAgic Fan

    what the hell does it matter to stackhouse, he acts like hes gonna be in this league for another decade, give it up stack your done you’ve made your millions why are u so concerned about this next CBA deal when u got about 1 year left in the tank…..if that.

  • http://myspace.com/gametimeweezy Gametimeweezy

    Stack with the most real assesment of whats REALLY been going on here… and it’s disgusting!

  • SouthPaw

    Not sure why players are complaining about MJ, he’s not being a hypocrite in my eyes…he’s just on the other side of the fence. Let’s all be honest, today’s players are significantly over paid. There’s only a handful of players who deserve their respective salary, the wades, lebrons, kobes, cp3 etc…but then the rest of the players, like Derek Fisher gets paid more than what Scotti Pippen got paid…what does that tell you??? c’mon man, most of today’s players are bugging and are being cry babies…MJ player for free while on the wizards, what happened to ‘for the love of the game’….and MJ didn’t really start getting paid what he deserved until he’s last 3 years, before that he was grossly getting underpaid…as the face of the league and all the revenue he was bringing in world wide…

    lucky for him he had AD money…lol.

    Derek Fisher in no way shape or form, whether he contributed or not, should be getting paid what he’s getting paid…he’s a 4th tier player for crying out loud. There are better players in the league who get paid less than he does and are on smaller market teams. During the 2010-11 season D. Fisher was paid 3.7 million dollars, while in Utah 5.8 million. Do you know how much Scottie Pippen was getting paid during the bulls last run 96-98??$2.9,$2.2,$2.7 million dollars for those 3 years. Derek Fisher is not and will not ever be a HOF, so for him to get paid those figures is sacrilege.

    All these players are all benefiting from what MJ did to the league and how much he globalized the NBA. For them not agree on a 50/50 deal is crazy.

    The way I would do it would be.
    Tier 1 Players – Receive 55-50 of BRI
    all others 50/50.

    The reason I do that, is because if you wanna get paid, you have to work. 4/5ths of these players, get their 6 year 100+million dollar contracts and cruise and claim injuries…*cough Joe Johnson, Arenas etc*..

    BRI should get paid highest to those bringing money to the league and is no secret that is the LBJs, Kobe’s Wades etc…aside from that I’m sorry, we’re splitting – simple as that.

  • Peter

    Stackhouse is a genius. What they really need to lead the NBA Players Union is a player who is a lawyer. There must be so many to chose from…

    No? Then how about a lawyer who has never played the game? Ah, maybe not…

    Perhaps a player who really cares about all the players and the game. One who is willing to put his heart and soul into the negotiations. Like say…Fish!

  • Najee

    Man i don’t care what nobody says Derek Fisher is messing it up for this guys. If he wasn’t trying to change the contracts around the NBA would have already started in the middle of this month. But it hasn’t cause of him

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