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Friday, December 2nd, 2011 at 9:00 am  |  152 responses

Chris Bosh Ready to Play Center for the Miami Heat


by Marcel Mutoni @marcel_mutoni

Chris Bosh was the only star player at the Miami Heat’s informal workout yesterday, so I’m assuming he felt the pressure to make news without Dwyane Wade and LeBron James in the gym.

Mission accomplished.

After running away from the role last season, and getting predictably criticized for it, a noticeably bulked-up Chris Bosh told the assembled press corps that he’s prepared to mix it up underneath the hoop a lot more this year for the Heat.

From the Sun-Sentinel:

“You know, as much as every time I try to run from it, it just comes and pulls me back in,” he said during the start of informal team workouts Thursday at AmericanAirlines Arena. “So I accept it. If I’m a five, put me down there, have me guarding the biggest guy, I accept the challenge. It is what it is. Every year that I’ve said ‘Oh, no, I’m not doing it,’ I’m in there anyway. So, I accept it.”

“Leaps and bounds better in my opinion,” he said of his revised physique. “But that was one of the things, not only did I want to get better on the court, but I really wanted to get in there in the weight room and really put a lot of work in and improve my body and improve my endurance and be in the best shape possible coming into this season, because it is physical down there and there shouldn’t be a season where I don’t average 10 rebounds. I feel like I let my team down, so that’s not going to happen again. And the only way I can do that is to get stronger, get more physical and be more of a presence on the boards.”

Hilariously, Bosh boasted to the media that he now bench presses between 50-70 pounds more than he used to.

Chris Bosh, still stinging from the Miami Heat’s NBA Finals loss, sounds like he’s ready to shed the “soft” label and dominate on the inside. Whether anyone else but Bosh is prepared to believe that, remains a mystery.

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  • RobbieJay

    \(._.)/ finally.

  • JR

    I saw Chris on NBATV. The dude looks big. He got a taste of big-time playoff basketball and it looks like that’s motivated him to take his game to the next level. I’m a Raptors fan and can honestly say that I want to see CB succeed and prove all his detractors wrong.

  • http://itsahardwoodlife.blogspot.com omphalos

    The fact that he said “no I’m not playing it” might have something to do with his inability to lead a team.

  • Jono

    I rate this guys mental toughness really highly. The amount of sh!t thrown at him last few seasons, from being soft, 2.5 men, etc. He’s taken more insults than LeBron (or at least as much as) and it’s nice to see him not lose his cool and come back stronger. Go get em Chris!

  • cramzy

    Glad he’s embracing it. Woulda been nice for him to figure this out last year but whatever lol. Just average double digit boards and I’ll be happy.

  • furiousfunkfanatic

    Somebody has to tell him, that as a center he has to be in the paint most of the time. You know, the place where all those big and strong bullies always push him around like a frightened chick. I mean, he is sooo “efficient” outside the key…

  • http://slamonline.com The Black Rick Kamla

    @omphalos…wasn’t brought there to be a leader

  • http://itsahardwoodlife.blogspot.com omphalos

    I’m aware of this, but he made such a fuss about “why can’t I be a centrepiece” when he was a free agent, but wasn’t willing to do whatever it took to win when he was a leader in Toronto.

  • RunNGun

    Fake tough guy… by mid-season, he’ll take it back.

  • http://itsahardwoodlife.blogspot.com omphalos

    Sure, but he wanted to be a centrepiece, and was the franchise in Toronto but refused to do what it took to be successful. If Bosh had bought into this a few years back then maybe he and Bargnani could have been a solid inside-outside duo instead of arguably to softest frontcourt in basketball.

  • http://itsahardwoodlife.blogspot.com omphalos

    Was referring to his time in Toronto. Franchise players shouldn’t say “I’m not doing that”.

  • http://itsahardwoodlife.blogspot.com omphalos

    Okay, my bad, thought my comments weren’t getting through.

  • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ys6VpgI9BHA datkid

    what’s wrong with him being more effective outside the paint? that was his strength and he maximized it. center was not his role last season and that’s fine.

  • http://slamonline.com The Black Rick Kamla

    Lotta cats criticize him- but for what, just speaking the truth. Tells exactly what he feels no matter how vulnerable that tends to make him appear. He’s not a 5 never been a 5, not in high school, not in college, not in any of his 6 years in the league. He’s a forward who can defend other forwards with the combination of his quickness and length, he’s never gonna overpower anyone and thats never been his billing. He’s also a guy who would like to have the ball somewhere around the block, where he’s got the freedom to post, slash, or pull up. But Spo has put him in in a position where he’s had to have duty on the opposing teams 5, defend and box out the bigger man in the paint, yet on the other end he almost isn’t even allowed to post because he’s got to clear the lane for the slashers. Its like he’s asked to be a center on the defensive end, and then asked to be a jump shooter on the offensive end…just doesn’t work out. But he’s taking on the challenge, more than you can say about most guys. We see guys of Bosh’s physical phenotype come into the league all the time; out of GT dude was a rail not unlike the KD’s of the world. For a guy like that to put on as much muscle as he has since, and now be benching something like 50 more lbs than a year before…I mean I give that cat all the respect in the world.

  • Afra33

    He still stoft!!! What a waste of 100mio $ contract!! If i were Miami I would trade him asap!!! Get a big man down there not some softy big man who likes to shoot jump shots, shieet you could get a d-league big man that can do that.

    Trade his ass!!!

  • eZ

    I don’t get why teams keep asking players to take on roles in which they don’t excell. It’s not his fault the raptors and the heat failed to aquire true centers to compliment him. Bosh will never be a dominant defensive presence in the paint. He is a face up finesse 4, as is bargiani or nowitzki or p.gasol. If you can’t use these skills on your team than don’t aquire the player. The coaches and gm’s should be about maximizing a players talents, not surpressing them because they need them to make up for their failure to build a complete team.

  • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ys6VpgI9BHA datkid

    ^^ cosign the 2 comments above.

  • Justin

    cosign datkid’s cosign. I don’t understand a lot of the criticism Bosh gets. What do you mean he didn’t do what it took to win in Toronto? The guy did everything he could to win games on a nightly basis. All this “Bosh is soft” crap is really annoying actually. He’s not your typical power forward. He’s a finesse player and always has been and he held up his end of the bargain in the playoffs last year, arguably being their most consistent player throughout

  • http://www.fullc0urtpress.com K.Holiday

    cosign black rick kamla and EZ’s comments. cosign datkid too for cosigning black rick kamla and EZ. People dog Chris Bosh all the time for being what many people in this world cant be; honest with himself. He knows what he’s capable of and wont tell you otherwise. I respect it! You cant sell a Hyundai for 50k the same way you cant take a lifetime forward and make him a center. Take what your money can get you and use it to the best of its abilities. If they dont like Bosh for what he can bring, trade him for D-12, but dont expect him to be D-12. NOT GONNA HAPPEN!

  • Morgan

    @ez – but with the amount of money they have spent on their big 3 its not surprising they couldn’t get the help inside for Bosh last season, so its not entirely the Teams fault. Raps just didnt have the pulling power to get anyone. I think CB has the right attitude and is running the same course as Gasol. Pre-championship Gasol was criticized for not being able to operate in the paint, he bulked up, they won championships (very, very over-simplified version)…Heat just need that one guy to compliment Bosh-Haslem in the paint and its theres to lose.

  • Thomas

    Go get Chandler!

  • Morgan

    @Thomas – they simply don’t have the money to compete with the rest of the offers for Chandler, plus he already has a ring so doesnt need to chase one. Marc Gasol could be a possibility if he wants a ring bad enough to sacrifice a payday. I would say Nene is probably a more likely target

  • MUBWAR

    we believe in you CB. I personnaly believe in you more than Wade

  • DieselMechanic

    The heat are gonna be scary next year.

  • http://www.optimabbc.be Max

    Am I really the only one who is like “The F expected alot more hate comments”?
    Like a BOO$$$HHH

  • http://slamonline.com Allenp

    Max
    Let’s schedule our game on 2K11. Also, whoever is playing as Pill Clinton 69, I’m trying to schedule our game as well.
    And, if anybody else is still interested in joining the League, we’re about halfway through the 58 game season, but you’re still welcome to join up. Lot’s of good teams with no owners. It’s a PS3 League, the name is Slam Commenters2 and the password is slamily.
    And the last time Bosh bulked up, he averaged 24 and 12 for much of the season. This might be good news.

  • MikeC.

    Very nice muscles. They will look great at the beach. But most players come back from the offseason bulked up. It’s good to hear he’s got the right mentality, because 6’11 235 isn’t gonna make anyone second guess taking it right at his jugular. He’s not an imposing figure, nor does he have the best rep. Here’s hoping he makes that turn into manhood and actually does what he says he will do.

  • http://slamonline.com Allenp

    Also, Bosh was killing his last year in Toronto before he hurt his ankle. People forget that.
    And, it’s not that hard to increase your bench press by 50 to 70 pounds.
    I’ve done it many times. Going from benching 205 to 255 is not that big a leap. Neither is going from 250 to 300. If you do it regularly, and keep increasing the weight on the bar, it will happen fairly quickly. At least it did for me.
    When I first started playing football, I had never lifted weights before in my life and could barely bench 95 pounds, I doubled that in a few months, and eventually was up over 300 pounds. It just takes effort.

  • ClydeSays

    Maybe he can do spot minutes at Center, but asking him to do if for 4 quarters is asking for trouble. The Heat will need a post defender if they want to get back to the Finals.

  • http://www.slamonline.com Angel Of Stern

    morgan, Marc Gasol is a restricted FA so he really can’t sacrifice money

  • http://www.optimabbc.be Max

    Allenp, I don’t understand anything from the timing so we’ll play eachother when we see eachother online? I’m gonna be rusty tho haven’t played 2k in 2weeks.

  • Morgan

    @Angel of Stern – thanks man, too many FAs to keep track of in such a short window. Looks like it’ll have to be Nene then…or that cut out of Dwight Howard that Nate had a few years ago, that would do a better job than some of the heats current roster

  • http://slamonline.com Allenp

    Max
    Let me know when you’re going to be online and we can schedule the game for then. I put the game down over the holidays, but I’m playing now.

  • http://slamonline.com nbk

    someone send me a PS3. Thanks.

  • http://www.bulls.com Enigmatic

    @ Black Rick Kamla – Well, technically, for all intents and purposes, Bosh WAS the 5 in his one season at Georgia Tech.
    Even though they’re listed as forwards, many if not most PF’s play C in college due to there being less height overall in the NCAA, just like you see so many 6’1” 2’s and 6’5” 3’s.
    Boozer, Bosh, Brand, Duncan, Aldridge, Randolph, Love, Griffin, they all played the 5 in college.
    If they were listed as a “forward”, it’s because they had a G, G, F, F, F lineup.
    So I wouldn’t say Bosh had “never” played the 5, he’s just never been listed as one.

  • Name

    I simply don’t get why Bosh gets criticized so much. He played far better relative to his capability than LeBron did in the playoffs.

  • Key_34

    CB1′s problem is more coaching than anything. You sign him then ask him to play a style that doesn’t fit his skills. I give him credit for trying, but a banger he is not and never will be. And he won’t be a shot blocker either. Which is what the Heat need.

  • http://thetroyblog.com Teddy-the-Bear

    Do people not realize that Chris Bosh is still one of the best players in the NBA?
    WTF are you people even talking about? People act like he’s Yi Jian Lian.

  • http://slamonline.com nbk

    People are stupid Teddy. What happened in every Heat players career before the finals is apparently irrelevant.

  • Heat luva

    mutoni, you sir, are a smug condensenting prick of a journalist. How much can you bench? I’m sick of all this Bosh hater-ade, ask the Bulls if he’s soft. Of the top 3 best team defenses in the league last year, Chicago had to be one of them, and on the biggest stage of their(the Bulls)season, simply put, Bosh dominated and shut up pro (frontcourt)players whom seemed to have been dubed into the same subscription of “they say he’s soft so he must be soft”. Stop being a puppet and think for yourself !!! If Bosh is soft Joakim Noah must be soft too, and we know that’s not remotely close to the truth. Better yourself and stop demonizing those who better theirs. I dispise echo/band-waggon journalism, and you Mr.mutoni wrote the book on it.

  • Kilo

    The abilty to work down low is MENTAL more than physical. Bosh does not have it mentally to bang down low in the paint.

  • http://cnbc.com JTaylor21

    I’m done with 2K for now. I got tired of all the cheating and otherworldly plays the CPU makes. I might pick it up during the holiday but for now I’m done.
    Good for CB. I was wondering why he thought it was a good idea for him to lose all that weight last season especially coming off a 24/11 season.

  • http://slamonline.com Allenp

    JTaylor
    Those problems have been solved with the change to All-Star.
    They still make a few crazy plays (Beasley and Anthony Randolph are ridiculous on the game) but not nearly as many. The games are way more competitive on All-Star, I’ve found.

  • chingy

    Glad to see some of the more sane commenters here are respecting CB. The guy is honest and we need more pro athletes like him who don’t always just go with the cliches.

  • http://cnbc.com JTaylor21

    AllenP, sounds good to me.

  • Sparker

    He did everything but utter the magic “15 lbs. of muscle.”

  • http://slamonline.com datkid

    shut up kilo… that’s not the point.

  • http://slamonline.com nbk

    I’m pretty sure it is more mental than physical. Judging by the fact that there has never been a 6’1″ 150lb center.

  • http://slamonline.com nbk

    More Physical than it is Mental*

  • http://nba.com GP23

    You know what’s funny??.. Nobody was hatin’ him when he was ballin’ in Toronto, but as soon as he joins LeBron and Wade, he has become soft and unreliable. Quit Hatin’ !!! He can play.

  • redrum

    another 15 pound story??? seriously the nba has to do something regarding steroids. it is getting ridiculous. just to let you know 15 pounds is the average amount of weight one puts in a two month cycle on juice…

  • All Day

    Bosh was clearly hurt when the Heat lost in the Finals. Did you see that way he was on the floor crying? I’m interested to see how Bosh plays. If Bosh spends his time floating around the perimeter, shooting jumpshots, then we’ll know his game hasn’t changed. If Bosh spends his time in the paint, posting up to score, banging and fighting for rebounds, then we’ll know his game has changed.

  • redrum

    and its the reason why he did not reveal how much weight he put on. because i bet you it is 15…

  • chingy

    ^ very funny redrum…and what evidence do you have of this?

  • http://cnbc.com JTaylor21

    It is easy to put on 15+ pounds in a two month span. Also, Bosh had more than 5 months to put on weight. Slam is starting to look like ESPN’s comment section with all these new, uninformed fans.

  • http://slamonline.com datkid

    cosign gp23 no more bosh slander

  • Riggs

    @GP23: pretty sure he was called bosh spice and juwanna man when he was with the raptors…

  • shutupallenp

    The weight he put on isnt gonna change the fact that he has stones for hands when the pressure is on him. How many late game sloppy passes did he throw? how many times did wade, or lebron or anybody drive and kick to Bosh and see the pass slip through his fingers?

  • http://slamonline.com LakeShow

    He was definitely mocked quite a bit up in Tor. You can only expect that he joins up with Bron after the poor ‘decision’ he’s gunna get mocked even more. He’s a very solid player. Just under the “superstar” class imo. Soft?Yeah a little bit. Softies win chips also though. So it don’t mean anything.

  • http://www.bulls.com Enigmatic

    I think I already said enough on here and on Twitter why I dislike Bosh.
    Is he a good player?
    Hell yeah he is. Smoked Boozer and Gibson in the ECF

  • http://slamonline.com Allenp

    I’m glad Enigmatic said that because he would trade Boozer for Bosh faster than you can say Baked Alaska.
    Lol.
    JTaylor
    The League is Slam Commenters2, password slamily.
    If you’re looking to play with the Magic they are like second in the conference so far.

  • Mariano

    I don’t get why people say that no one was hating on Bosh when he was in Toronto… The dude was already labeled as soft when he was in Toronto.

    And you guys are acting like Bosh had a splendid season. He had his worst season since he was a sophomore, averaging under his career averages in almost every stat. Not to mention that he couldn’t even keep up with other PF’s on D… Smoked Boozer and Gibson? Boozer averaged double digits in rebounds against Bosh…

  • http://slamonline.com datkid

    mariano bosh was sharing shots and rebounds with lebron and wade. but in terms of efficiency he shot better than ever before. and while boozer got double digit rebounds against bosh… bosh def. had like a 40 point game on him at some point.

  • http://www.bulls.com Enigmatic

    Boozer averaged double digits in rebounds against Bosh…because of a 17 rebound game performance against him in game 3 that was the exception, not the norm.
    And rebounding is but one statistical category, if you watched that series you cannot seriously argue that Bosh didn’t outplay Boozer.
    Boozer vs. Bosh in playoffs:
    Carlos Boozer – 14.4 ppg, 10.2 rpg. 40% FG
    Chris Bosh – 23.2 ppg, 7.6 rpg, 60% FG.
    Bosh had 30 on him in game 1 and 34 in game 2.
    And Bosh clowned Boozer in the series clincher – 20, 10 and 4 blocks for Bosh compared to Boozer’s sorry 5 points, 6 rebounds and 16% shooting.

  • http://www.bulls.com Enigmatic

    *34 in game 3

  • http://slamonline.com Kap

    Dwight Howard and Andrew Bynum are salivating at this statement by Bosh.

  • O

    Boozer’s basura, b. I don’t hate him though. I’d probably hate him if he was on my Knicks though. Bosh I don’t like cause he pats himself on the back whenever he hits a bucket as if he’s unstoppable. Then collapses when he loses in the Finals as if it was his last shot at it. I never saw Karl Malone, Charles Barkley, Patrick Ewing, Shawn Kemp, or anyone else crumble like that whenever Jordan walked away with the trophy. Like them Miller Lite commercials say, “MAN UP!”

  • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zNxu7yEwHOM Allenp

    Bosh made some suspect choices at times, he definitely was shocked by the level of pressure and attention.
    But, aside from the weird rebounding drop, his game was pretty much the same except with fewer touches.
    If he is ready for the pressure and physically prepared, I think he is a very good, borderline great player.

  • Zabbah

    Bosh says he’ll play center the year Shaq retires. Coincidence? I think not.

  • chingy

    Chandler would be the PERFECT center for bosh. There was that one year when Tdot was THIS CLOSE to signing Chandler…then he jumped ship (or something like that).

  • http://cnbc.com JTaylor21

    AllenP, is anyone the Hornets?

  • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zNxu7yEwHOM Allenp

    Nope, nobody is the Hornets. Don’t know their record though.

  • bike

    It is also rumored that in order to develop some mental toughness and shake the soft label, he was seen working out with Jerry Sandusky this past summer.

  • http://thetroyblog.com Teddy-the-Bear

    @ Kap: Andrew Bynum is not dominating anyone at Center.

  • Overtime

    @AllenP, forgive my ignorance, but I live in UK, is it still poss for me to join your league or is it a country-restricted thing?

  • chad1594

    He should be for what they are paying him.

  • Heals

    Chris, there is a big difference between being called a Center and being a Center. Say it all you want, but your game speaks louder. It’s not an insult that your not a C, you’re good at other things so just do those…

  • James Aka…

    He can’t do it. He bulked up in one of his years in toronto, Modestly. but the wear and tear of the season eats muscles alive, and by the time the season was through, the combination of nutrition, working out and injuries proved to be too much for him to keep the weight on. I suspect a similar thing will happen this year. Its good that he’s trying. I never felt he was a quitter while in Toronto: Just that he’s got the body of a natural 3, and the height and handles of a 4.

  • http://slamonline.com LakeShow

    Teddy do I need to show you evidence or do you actually know that Bynum dominates most centers? (at least in terms of todays centers) Bogut, Bynum, and Howard are the only dominating C’s today imo.

  • http://www.bulls.com Enigmatic

    It’s a truly depressing sign that the C position sucks nowadays when anyone would consider someone with career averages of 10.5 and 7.1 a “dominant center”.

  • http://slamonline.com LakeShow

    Hate to go down this road, but if Bynum wasn’t injured he would be as good as D-How imo. Little better offensively, a little worse defensively. It’s neither here nor there since he is injured all the time though. I know I have nothing to back that up, but I stand by that claim.

  • Overtime

    Wow. No, even if Bynum did play same amount of games as Howard, he is inferior (perhaps not by as massive a gap as a lot of people would say) but still inferior

  • http://slamonline.com LakeShow

    Oh yes, you are correct. I’m talking about if no injuries occurred. Like he was never crippled and was able to develop normally instead of rehabbing every time he hits the gym. Dude is more skilled than anyone at center.(sad but true)

  • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PR6ULRp3Uqk Overtime

    Hmmm. I guess I can see your point, if he was developing at the the same rate from the beginning of his career, then perhaps. It is obvious he has way more post moves, and i think his arms are longer so he could prob catch up in the block category.
    Athletically wouldn’t ever be Howard though I don’t think.
    Shame we’ll never find out

  • http://slamonline.com LakeShow

    Truth^ Another lost project of the NBA. Darius Miles what up?

  • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PR6ULRp3Uqk Overtime

    Penny- King of the Could Have’s

  • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PR6ULRp3Uqk Overtime

    Although I suppose Penny established himself before injuries, so its kind of a different category.

  • robb

    haaaaaaahahahahahahahahaha

  • http://thetroyblog.com Teddy-the-Bear

    Bynum’s post moves are vastly overrated. And as for his rebounding, he has only averaged 10 boards per game once.
    If he hadn’t suffered those injuries, would he have been a lot better? Yep. Probably an All-Star.
    Unfortunately, that doesn’t change anything about reality. He’s still not dominating anyone at center.

  • http://thetroyblog.com Teddy-the-Bear

    Keep in mind we’re talking about today’s league where Al Horford is a perennial All-Star center.

  • http://thetroyblog.com Teddy-the-Bear

    That is a shame, though. I hate to see good players go down before showing us their true potential. I’d like to see what Bynum can do as the focal point of an offense when healthy.

  • MUBWAR

    bynum and dominating shouldn’t be in the same sentence. give oden any day ahead of this guy

  • http://www.facebook.com/joe.l.brewer3 BlackPhantom

    Dang it, I need NBA 2K12 reaaly bad

  • http://www.facebook.com/joe.l.brewer3 BlackPhantom

    *realllly

  • http://cnbc.com JTaylor21

    Lake is out of his damn mind if he thinks that Bynum would be as good as DHow if he stayed healthy. I don’t care if he had an extra bionic leg and three arms, he’s not better than Howard at anything. Howard is superior in every aspect of a game and it’s not even close. Why do you think the Lakers are willing to ship the one guy Laker fans swear is the second coming of Wilt for Howard.

  • http://www.facebook.com/joe.l.brewer3 BlackPhantom

    Co-sign JTaylor. Dwight is like 15x better than Bynum

  • http://www.facebook.com/gametimeweezy Gametimeweezy

    I agree, I swear Bynum is only effective because of his 30 foot long arms.

  • http://www.facebook.com/gametimeweezy Gametimeweezy

    Bosh will be effective as a center todays NBA because he has more skills than most bigs. He is a good jumper, finisher, he has soft hands. He’s an above average shooter for a big, range easily pushes 20 feet. Those skills would actually translate in any era, no? I haven’t seen a mean streak but his last year in Toronto he was legit arguably a top 5 big man.

  • http://www.triplejunearthed.com/dacre Dacre

    translation…. he’s stepping out even closer to the 3pt line???

  • shutupallenp

    i dont think it translate well in any era, before the late eighties i think the brutalness of that position would destroy him. Think of what Patrick Ewing was a above average jumpshooter with a post game, and above average defensive capability. I think if Bosh played in that era he would more likely be a sf/pf- think Chris Mullin. Most PF (like oakley, shawn kemp, charles Barkley, etc..)were too strong for him, and he wasnt taking to the rim on any of the centers back then.

  • shutupallenp

    I’m glad popovich didnt force Tim Duncan to play center, he actually let Tim play the position he would be most effective against and thats the reason hes the best pf ever to play the game

  • http://slamonline.com LakeShow

    Yep you guys definitely read what said. I said, Bynum is way better than Howard and always will be and he is amazing and no one else matters and he’s a young Shaq and KAJ on offense and the center of my dreams and all that. OH… nope, I said that Bynum having had no injuries ever, would be as good as D-How. Better offensively, although not incredible. Not as good defensively, but still very good. His averages in 07-08 while not great are telling. Bynum finished the season averaging 13 pts, 10 rebounds 2 blocks .64fg% in 28 mins. Add mins and health to those numbers and put him on a team where he is the first or second option and dude puts up numbers. He’s scored 42 points grabbed 15 boards and 3 blocks. Dwight has never scored that much ever. And he is the best player on his team by a long shot and the best center in the league by far. I’m not making any claim besides that Bynum could be as good as D-How… but he is not and it isn’t even close right now. There’s no point in discussing what if’s with people that hate a team and every player on it. So pull a Nirvana and never mind.

  • http://cnbc.com JTaylor21

    Did this cat just say that PEwing was an above-average defensive player? Oh lawd.

  • http://www.facebook.com/gametimeweezy Gametimeweezy

    @Dacre – Not that he’s stepping closer to the 3point line now that he’d be a center, or even make a 20 ft jumper a staple in his game, but his skill set allows for him to knock them down. I would allow him to shoot and expect him to make them with consistency.

    @shutupallenp – Maybe you’re right I don’t think he could bang with the centers back then. After assessing his skills I could undoubtedly see him having success in past eras, but not at the center position. Derek Coleman, Danny Manning, Cliff Robinson.

    But yea it’s not the same anymore I’ve always said Dwight Howard would have been Kevin Willis or Otis Thorpe in that generation, but he’s actually starting to be better than that. Even look at Greg Oden who while at Ohio St I thought he’d be the next David Robinson, they just don’t pan out anymore.

  • http://www.facebook.com/gametimeweezy Gametimeweezy

    If he stayed healthy earlier on in his career Bynum’s game could have progressed very well and he would have dominated the league with 30 foot arms.

  • http://Slamonline.com nbk

    Bynum’s ceiling was/is 22-12. He will never and never would have been as good as Dwight. He could’ve been his biggest competition, but in this fictional uninjured world Greg Oden would have been better.

  • shutupallenp

    @jtaylor so your saying Ewing was an alltime nba defender? not college, nba. he was a good defender i would never call him great, very good rebounder but I’m sorry if i was aknicks fan and saw people give him fits like Shaq, Olajuwan, Rik Smits, David Robinson. So Above average, like an 85 out of 100 B+ status, where Wilt, Dikembe, Bill Russell would be A+ to put it in perspective

  • shutupallenp

    @Weezy i think he would have been an average player in that era as a sf/pf Your examples are spot on, execpt Manning had a better jumper, i was thinking he would be more like AC Green: versatile and does alot of things well but doesnt excel or standout in any one thing.

  • http://Slamonline.com nbk

    Ewing was an All-Time Defender. Knicks fans especially don’t give him the credit he deserves because they blame him for not getting any titles. They were actually talking about this very subject on Open Court. If you don’t know what that is, probably go look before you say anything.

  • shutupallenp

    I dont care what you think NBK stop responding to your posts and ill stop praying your baby comes out retarted. was it a lil harsh i dont care, you say im ignorant but you decided to always post a comment try to get into a debate, go kick your girl in the stomach if you want some attention

  • http://www.facebook.com/gametimeweezy Gametimeweezy

    I don’t blame Ewing I blame John Starks, and then damb Avery Johnson lol But yea Ewing was a force and he could hang with the other greats like Olajuwon and Robinson.

  • shutupallenp

    @NBK Do me a favor stop responding to my posts i dont care what you think, you complain my posts are ignorant, and i dont comprehend but you continue to direct comments toward me. you want attention go get a dog, leave me alone.

  • shutupallenp

    I blame pat riley personally, they should have went for the tie and played ot like their lives depended on it. never said he couldnt hang but i never considered him great, i hold that distinction for players like Wilt, Russell, Mutumbo, Olajuwan, maybe Mourning, and Im only talking on the defensive side. I always said Ewing was one of if not the best jumpshooting center ever

  • RedRum

    I see disagree with my comments regarding steroid use in the NBA. Obviously you live in your own world where the NBA is the cleanest sport in the US. Do you really think that while steroid and HGH use is common all around all other sports, NBA players do not touch them? Do you even know how much of a joke is the NBAs anti-doping testing? Get this. Players only get tested once a year during training camp. Thats it!! They even know when they are going to be tested, which is the biggest advantage you can have when doping. Slamonline did a piece last this summer for the magic “15 pounds of muscle” that most players report, and was wondering why it is 15. As I said, 15 is the typical amount of muscle one puts in a 10 week cycle of steroids. Stop being in denial, thinking that these players magically put on 15 pounds of muscle just by eating right and lifting. It cant happen. No matter how genetically gifted you are (the usual lie they say for their cover up). PEDs are a reality in sports, and you might choose to ignore it or accept it. I am not saying that all NBA players are on steroids, and that they are at the level they are because of PEDs. But once you see a player reporting bulking up during the summer, be suspicious…

  • http://slamonline.com SHUTUPshutupallenp

    ^What up homie!

  • http://cnbc.com JTaylor21

    Yes.

  • Justin

    @shutupallenp…I understand getting frustrated or even angry at other posters and all that but only a gutless coward talks about someone’s kid or about kicking his pregnant girlfriend in the stomach like that. There is no reason for any of that BS. Get some class or get out

  • Reals

    BULL****

  • Reals

    C’s !!!!!

  • shutupallenp

    @jtaylor do you view David Robinson the same way?
    I use him as an example because i see them very close as in terms of defensive prowess. Do you know that Ewing avg less than 10 rebounds a game? I know he was a beast in college probably the best defensive center in college ever but in the NBA his strength was his offensive game, his great freethrow shooting and his excellent jumpshot

  • http://slamonline.com SHUTUPshutupallenp

    ^I just hear quacking, Quack quack quack

  • http://Slamonline.com nbk

    All I’m doing is trying to save people from your broken perspectives. I could give a flyin sh*t about you at all. Say what you need too. In the immortal words of one of the most hated people in slam history I will respond “at the end of the day, tomorrow you have to wake up and have the same life that you had before you commented today.”

  • shutupallenp

    lol

  • shutupallenp

    well in the immortal words of my absentee father “you see that bulge growing in her belly, thats 18% for 18 years”

  • eZ

    Chris Bosh leads to hate, Bosh playing center leads to suffering, Suffering leads to angry comments on Slam..

  • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PR6ULRp3Uqk Overtime

    Someone answer my Q to AllenP about 2k12 online associations :D

  • http://www.optimabbc.be Max

    ^
    Nah, I’m from Belgium and I’m in the League aswell.

  • /burnt_chicken

    This article is written in a way that sneers at Bosh fairly openly. why? Why is he such a laughingstock to so many? He is a terrific talent and a hard worker. Any Raptors fan will tell you his game grew every year. This year will be no different. I salute Bosh’s efforts and commitment to team. He WILL average 10+ boards a game. He WILL be an All-Star. I can’t wait to see his actions speak so much louder than these assinine comments and hack-spawned articles.

  • http://Slamonline.com Datkid

    Can we please ban shutupallenp ? Please? We all know he only talks about other people’s kids because he has to take care of 12 retarded drooling man children

  • http://slamonline.com The Black Rick Kamla

    @Enigmatic…Technically you’re wrong about that bro. Being from Atlanta, I was an avid GT fan as a kid. GT had a 7’2″ center with a big curly red fro named Luke Schenscher. Became one of my favorite players, always made the tough gritty defensive plays…but Chris Bosh was never a center.

  • http://thetroyblog.com Teddy-the-Bear

    Ewing averaged 9.8 rpg his career–not exactly that far off from 10. In ’89-’90 he put up 28 and 11, with 4 blocks per game, shooting 55% from the field. If that isn’t All Time status, I don’t know what is. Plus, he anchored one of the best defenses in NBA history. The Knicks were consistently #1 in the league in opponent ppg allowed.

  • http://thetroyblog.com Teddy-the-Bear

    You can’t use Hakeem Olajuwon’s dominance as an argument against any defender. Hakeem Olajuwon abused every center he ever played against. If that’s the case, then no center but Hakeem was “great” defensively.

  • http://bulls.com airs

    join the bandwagon everyone!
    #banshutupallenp

  • ripslam

    What’s up with Marcel Mutoni and his cynical, opinionated pieces?

  • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PR6ULRp3Uqk Overtime

    Thanks Max, I’ll join right now

  • Heals

    This is what made Sheed truly special. When he played C he had the back-to-the-basket moves and game to do so. I can’t think of any of his contemporaries that can say that (TD didn’t have Sheed’s mid to outside game)…

  • http://www.slamonline.com Megatron

    I would also appreciate the banishment of shutupallenP

  • Angel of Stern

    co-sign that^

  • http://slamonline.com SHUTUPshutupallenp

    ShutupAllenP, bring me your torch. You’ve been voted off the island.

  • http://slamonline.com shutupshutupshutupallenp

    Guys, WTF do we do now?!?!?!?!

  • http://slamonline.com datkid

    cosign

  • Mook

    Ay y’all I’m trying to get on a 2k12 league, anybody know a good 1?

  • RedRum

    Heals, how can you say TD did not have mid-range game? Look where he took his signature bank shots, and he was money from the elbows. Yeah, he did not shoot threes as Sheed, but I am not sure that Sheed could hit 25% of these crazy threes was a good thing..

  • http://thetroyblog.com Teddy-the-Bear

    I gotta co-sign RedRum. I think Sheed’s 3-point shooting hurt his game more than helped. His unwillingness to post up was like Vince Carter’s unwillingness to drive and dunk. I’m still not sure why they avoided their strengths.
    Timmy has a great jumpshot and used to score at will. His footwork was unparalleled this era.
    Heals is right about Sheed’s talent, though. That guy had game and could have done a lot more, although I still like Sheed as is.

  • MaxIsNative

    It doesn’t matter Bosh. Act tough, grab a few rebounds, massage LeBron after the game. If that’s what centers do then, yes, you are ready to play center.

  • http://slamonline.com The Philosopher

    LONG… LIVE… THE KING.

  • shutupallenp

    All-time means top ten, at least to me; and patrick Ewing is not in the top ten of defensive centers (top 20 def) but not top ten does that make him alltime? he never even won a dpoy, so how is he all-time for defense ?

  • BBaller

    What’s the harm in Bosh playing the Center spot? With Haslem at the 4. The league is so so weak at the 5 spot he’d probably be top 10 anyways. Just set good screens and grab some boards, block a shot or 2. The only problem is it might invoke players to take it to the rim because he is not a ” put your body on the line” kind of guy. Watch him move out of the way instead of contesting a drive, because his ego is scared of being posterized!!

  • http://www.leaguelineup.com/welcome.asp?url=pawtucketymca Gametimeweezy

    Sheed shooting 3′s probably prolonged his career 2 tears, but he was’nt the only one. Sam Perkins, Cliff Robinson, how about Dirk? he’ll post you up and hit you with a turnaround jumper. Antawn Jamison. A big man that can extend his range only helps there game. Sheed just went COLD for like a 2 month stretch, unfortunately during the playoffs.

  • Reals

    SLAM, UPDATE UR ARTICLES .

  • j.r #36

    Shaq said it best ” Ru paul of NBA big men ” soft As .. wld get destroyd at 5, thats why their huntin G.O

  • http://hulkhatetimetravel.com Brother Menelik

    Good to see Bosh trying to beast up, i truly think this year he gonna show heads

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