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Wednesday, January 11th, 2012 at 9:00 am  |  168 responses

Kobe Bryant Enjoying Proving Critics Wrong


by Marcel Mutoni @marcel_mutoni

Everyone thought they saw the signs coming: Kobe Bryant’s numbers were headed downward, he was getting up there in age, his body racked by an endless amount of debilitating injuries, he had to deal with a new coach and system (which was supposed to begin tilting towards the team’s two big men), an uneven team, and there was even talk from some corners that LA was about to become a Clippers town.

Kobe Bryant’s gradual downfall seemed inevitable to all. All but Kobe Bryant, it seems.

The 33-year old future Hall of Famer turned the clock back last night against the Phoenix Suns, dropping in a season-high 48 points to lead the Los Angeles Lakers to their third straight win. Afterwards, Kobe took great delight in reminding the doubters just how wrong they have been about him.

From the LA Times:

Kobe Bryant wants you to say he can’t do it anymore. He’s too old. He’s played too many minutes. He’s too hurt. He shoots too much. After scoring an NBA season-high 48 points on 18 of 31 shooting in the Lakers’ 99-83 victory Tuesday over the Phoenix Suns, Bryant asked a reporter to tell him to his face he can’t consistently replicate such an effort through the rest of the Lakers’ (7-4) 55-game season. Even if he strung three 30-point plus games in the last four all on a torn ligament in his right wrist.

“Not bad for the seventh best player in the league,” Bryant said in a shot at the ranking a panel of ESPN writers gave him this offseason.

Kobe didn’t just have his critics in mind last night; the Black Mamba also let it be known that his long memory recalls the pain of past Playoff defeats at the hands of Phoenix: “I don’t like them,” Bryant said of the Suns. “Plain and simple, I do not like them. They used to whip us pretty good and used to let us know about it and I. Will. Not. Forget. That.” Even though most of the guys from that team are gone? “I. Don’t. Care,” Bryant said. “I won’t let it go.”

Kobe Bryant is now the League’s second-leading scorer at 29.5 points a game, and shooting 46% from the field.

Many still don’t consider the Lakers true title contenders this season, but Kobe is determined to prove us all wrong in that regard as well.

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  • jimmer

    Now he’s starting to look like him.

  • Jake

    LMAO! Ranking the Best player in the world at number 7! ESPN bosses needs a group meeting with their writers!

    Kobe is OWNING the critics.

    Top 5 Player of ALL TIME

  • FnF

    Have you ever known someone that doesn’t enjoy proving critics wrong?

  • http://nba.com/celtics lights out

    I grew up a Kobe hater (even though I always admired his game). But in today’s buddy buddy league of nice guys, I find his attitude refreshing.

  • Jer dawg

    After 16 seasons this is new NEWS about, KOBE?!? Lol!
    As a pro-Kobe member I enjoyed him lighting up the Suns and, well, anyone else for that matter. If a team can’t come up with a good defensive scheme to contain him then that defender and team is absolutely f’ed.
    Kobe is to Grant Hill as Jordan is to Craig Ehlo. This is what it feels like everytime they match up.

  • http://ZOGS.CA ZOGS

    hahaaaa KOBE WILL SNEAK INTO LEBRONS BEDROOM, AND PENETRATE HIM IN HIS SLEEP!!!!!!

  • BlackStar

    @ FnF – Vince Carter, Baron Davis, Eddy Curry and Kwame Brown are good examples of players that don’t care to prove critics wrong. Would you like me to name any more underachievers?

  • Fat Lever

    Looks like that knee is doing great. With that surgery and this schedule, this was a make or break season for Kobe to me. Still early, but he’s still got springs in those legs.

  • http://www.fiba.com Darksaber

    Duh….

  • Jesus

    Great game versus Suns, but the fact is that in the Lakers are the main losers with the lose of Odom, the fact is that Gasol and Bynun know they are on the table, the fact is that the team has the two towers and one of the worst % of 3 point of the league, the fact is that Fisher is the starting PG, the fact is that Ron shoots and shoots, the fact is that Luke is on the team, the fact is that son boss believes he knowsbasketball, the fact is 4 loses already and a lot of wins at home, the fact is that Bryant is injured and refuses to stop and in any contact his season can be over and the hopes of a team, the fact is that Brown is a cheerleader type of coach and the GM is a coward (nate robinson, arenas, billups,baron davis…..), the fact is that kobe slipped away too many rings like favorites (vs pistons, celtics, dallas…), the fact is that with this roster is impossible they passed 2 rounds.

  • http://www.slamonline.com Nick Tha Quick

    8 comments in and no trolling yet. I’m surprised as Grant Hill’s helpside D!

  • Justin G.

    It’s good that he’s playing as well as he has been lately but I think for this team to be successful and have any chance at a deep run in the playoffs, his shot attempts and selection have to come down and those shots need to go to the bigs.

  • BlackNicholson

    Kobe is going after Kareem’s scoring record. I never thought anyone could catch him, but he has a shot. Lebron too if he doesn’t get injured. No matter what he does people will hate on him because of the Colorado thing, but when he retires we will really appreciate what a great player he really is/was. I think he is an overachiever. He works harder than most people and it shows in his game.

  • DerekG

    The Black Mamba!!!

  • http://slamonline Andre

    i told my peps to watchout for the black mamba this season,and they wouldnt.even with his wrist,i knew he would find a way,that mamba is on a mission.

  • http://slamonline.com nbk

    Today is going to be annoying.

  • Justin G.

    lol@nbk

  • http://nyill.wordpress.com O

    Maybe this year the Lakers can actually give the Heat a fair one…

  • Maniac

    Lol just wanted to tell everyone I told you so. I’m not taking it far though. Lakers are only 11 games into the season.

  • http://www.draftexpress.com/profile/Marshon-Brooks-6347/playerblog/ nbk

    scoring 48 points on Phoenix in the 2nd week of the season is not the time to say “I told you so” – if his knees break down and they fall apart, what are you going to say then, I was extra sooper wrong?

  • jsmoke212

    OMG. GOAT, that’s all I have to say.
    Broken wrist, fingers, knees, ankles, nuts, you name it.
    I repeat, GOAT – and not the animal.

  • FnF

    @Blackstar, okay but name someone that has proved their critics wrong and didn’t enjoy it.

  • http://nba.com GP23

    Kobe Bryant is just too good. (I think I will just leave it at that).

  • BlackStar

    @FnF – I was just responding to you initial comment, but if I have to give a name … I would say Baron Davis again. I’ve always been a fan of his, but homie will get motivated to prove haters wrong for a couple games … maybe even a season, then get lazy again. I guess he doesn’t enjoy that feeling enough to keep things consistent.

  • http://leipzig-eagles.de/ Speedy

    The only point of criticism I have and always had is that Kobe is a very selfish player that only cares about his own resume and often forgets about the team.
    He never proved me wrong.

  • Yesse

    Well, it was one damn good game, but just one.

    Can’t say that yet, Kobe.

  • OTB

    @nbk – Its not the 48 points; I doubt you’d give him his due no matter what he did. Its easy to find holes in everything. 48 points is impressive for someone everyone claimed was over the hill.

  • http://wikipedia.org Eddie

    Kobes needs to shave off his beard. We know you gettin a divorce and ish but it ain’t a good look. Stay Schemin’.

  • http://www.draftexpress.com/profile/Marshon-Brooks-6347/playerblog/ nbk

    He immediately brought up where he was ranked by ESPN. He clearly is trying to prove things about himself on the court, not his team. I mean, it’s cool he played awesome last night. But too think this is what you can expect from him, or too think this proves anything about their playoff chances is ridiculous. He is using more possessions then any player has since there has been a 3 pt line. Which is another way of saying, he’s trying his very best to wear himself down.

  • http://www.draftexpress.com/profile/Marshon-Brooks-6347/playerblog/ nbk

    OTB – he’s not over the hill. he’s just not what he used to be. anybody that thought Kobe couldn’t have a game like last night was lying to themselves. He can just as easily score 48 again the next game. Just as easily as he can shoot 40 shots.

  • bike

    Mike Brown’s new offensive strategy = letting Kobe do whatever the @uck he wants to.

  • robb

    I had a lot of fun watching Kobe yesterday. He’s tough as nails, his determination is just incredible. He still shoots too much though, but nobody’s perfect right?

  • http://cnbc.com JTaylor21

    the formula of Kobe going one-on-one while his teammates stand around will lead to the qucik downfall of the lakers in the playoffs.

  • robb

    JTaylor21 I think so. Hopefully I’m wrong, but letting the superstar take over while he watches with his mouth open is Mike Brown’s school of thought. At least they’ll be playing better defense.

  • Rik Smits Mullet

    Why do Kobe fans always react like they have to compensate for a small body part dangling between there legs. And also Iam really getting tired of People trying to use kobe’s injuries to make him seem more special.
    We all know Kobe is a great player why do you guys need excuses to make him seem extra special. Everybody knows NBA players with injuries get shot up with painkillers to the point they dont feel anything of there injury.

    Still a great game for Kobe but fans stop ruining a great player by over the top praising.

  • jsmoke212

    @JTaylor Unless he cant miss. Which can happen. But you are probably right. That frontline is nice as can be (Bynum healthy of course). If any team desperately needed a PG, or Magic-clone, its the Lakers.

  • http://www.nbadraft.net showtime

    I will just stay away from this section but im going to just note its freakin second week and they played the suns….lets see in 33 games

  • Mooney10

    Like to see him have a performance like that in the post season, never seen him do that! He usually doe shtis though every year it seems. Has epic scoring games by taking too many shots, still impressvive however. The playoffs come and then he depends on his teammates to step up, not a bad thing, but I would like to see him dominate in the playoffs just once, then I will be convinced. Guy has rings but only 1 MVP lets not forget, I hope his efforts don’t alienate his teammates and/or make them rely on him too much, they did get swept last year.

  • Pearl

    ¿Why he put the focus of how low is in the ESPN rank individually and not how the Lakers are too low how a team in the ranks of the same page?

    That type of game works in the regular season with lazy teams, not in the playoffs. The Lakers need more touches for the big mens and more talent (Arenas opportunity). Look the numbers today of Nate Robinson, he would be very serviceable player for the Lakers in terms of energy and scoring and legs. Fisher don’t deserve to be in this league. Trade Ron also. Lakers need a second scorer in the backcourt, a jason terry type of player.

  • feez_22

    ok i just have to say this for old times sakes… KOBEEEEEE. young kobe is back haha. ive been the biggest critic of his inefficient jumpshooting the past few years but hey… can’t knock 48 pts on 50+% shooting + he didn’t try to get 50 at the end like he would have in 07. But ya this sure does look aesthetically pleasing but as jtaylor said… if they do this in the playoffs and kobe’s shot isn’t falling (which is the norm for kobe) they could be in trouble. But hey… lets have fun with this for once. It was hella entertaining watching kobe do that in a reg season game. now if he were going 17-47 for 48 i would be mad but hey he played an awesome game.

  • DieselMechanic

    Kobe is still the best player in the league. He’s not the most athletic (that’s Lebron, Slam’s #1 for the last 3 years), but his skillset is still far superior to anybody in the league. And unlike Bron he is consistently clutch.

  • Maniac

    By “I told you so”, I was referring to all the morons that claimed Kobe is done when he is far from it… All the idiots who had the audacity to claim he is no longer a top 5 player (top 2 or 3 for that matter). I’m not gonna get into this because Kobe is shutting people up for me. Notice i too said it is early in the season. This is only the beginning.

  • http://slamonline.com nbk

    best and most skilled are very different.

  • http://cnbc.com JTaylor21

    The same guy that has missed 81 GW shots is consistently clutch? Ok….I guess Rick Ross is consistently skinny.

  • http://slamonline.com nbk

    who claimed Kobe is done for? And I wouldn’t call people a moron for saying he wasn’t top 5, they were wrong, but they had reason to believe that. He’s steadily gotten worse and worse over the years, while those that were ranked above him are only getting better.

  • http://slamonline.com LakeShow

    Lakers need to play much better defense. Bynum needs to be stronger. He is just flopping the ball up hoping it goes in. Gasol looked great last night. Real scrappy and tuff…(ya tuff) I’m glad to see Kobe just get one of those big games outta the way so he can shut everyone up and now get back to getting his team better. Ohh, and lastly i’ll take the guy that misses 81 game winners over the guy that shoots 0.

  • http://slamonline.com LakeShow

    nbk, many, many, stupid, stupid people said he was done. You really that blind to Kobe hate that you didn’t see it when everyone was saying he’s done and over the hill. I can look it up for you if you need, but dam homie just pay attention.

  • Maniac

    Who else is taking 81 game winning shots? What other player has the green light everytime to take take those shots regardless of whether it goes in or not and would still have the same respect? What other elite team constantly blows leads and forces their best player to take those shots? You know what, never mind I’m not going to even deal with ignorance today.

  • Maniac

    Lol what’s good LakeShow. Our boy is handily business. Lakers will be good come playoff time, Dwight or no Dwight. Hopefully Drew plays the full year. I got mad faith in our team ths year. Outside of Pau’s inconsistency in the post, drew’s development, and offensive sets (the defense has improved this year and I doubt it’ll get much better with this squad unless the two bigs become drob and Timmy overnight) the lakers are looking much better than I initially thought they would.

  • http://cnbc.com JTaylor21

    Looks like I touched on a sensitive subject with kobe fans, forgive me. I should know better than to question the mamba’s abilities in the clutch, the guy must have hit numerous GW shots in the playoffs.
    FYI, I rather have CP or Melo in the clutch over a guy that missed 81 GW shots or the one that shoots 0.

  • http://slamonline.com Allenp

    So getting big point totals against the Suns is a big deal now?
    Really now?
    We’re at that point now?
    Cool.

  • http://slamonline.com nbk

    Well I don’t really read the comments from people that are just saying things. Hard to tell if that’s just anger, hate, sarcasm, or honesty. Like someone said LeBron wasn’t worth Evan Turner earlier, I didn’t take that seriously. I don’t think anyone giving a genuine basketball opinion thought Kobe was done. But if your Kobe love runs so deep that you think every negative thing that has been said about him is an honest opinion, how have you kept your sanity? Y’all Laker fans are more emotional then teenage girls. Y’all hate Gasol, even though he’s clearly your second best player. Y’all used to hate Bynum, then he had 6 good games and now he’s the bees knees. please, the playoffs are going to roll around and Kobe will be breaking down, Bynum will prolly be hurt, and Gasol will have to deal with questions about the consistency of his character. Then y’all will lose in the second round or third round and the cycle starts again.

  • Maniac

    Kobe is easily one of the four greatest clutch players of all time along with Jordan, Bird, and West. There really isn’t much debate unless you wanna talk about here he ranks on that list. End of discussion.

  • http://slamonline.com LakeShow

    Maniac, ma dood. Honestly love this Laker team. They just have so much more to prove and I like ‘old’ Kobe. Pau is gunna be Pau. I just ask that for every egg he lays he gives us a gem also. Troy the drunk and McBob are nice additions. Troy is hittin them shots and grabbing the boards and even dishing every once in a while. McBob is that scrappy player every good team needs to come off the bench. Blake finally realized he is a decent PG. Matt Barnes doing exactly what I thought he would do last year. Bynum is who we told everyone he is. Just good to have NBA back in general though.

  • http://slamonline.com nbk

    oh lawd

  • Maniac

    Lol so Kobe isn’t 2nd in the league in scoring? Lebron isn’t only ahead by 0.4 points? This has been his only big scoring night? Ok. I’m done here.

  • http://cnbc.com JTaylor21

    There’s reality then there’s what kobe fans perceive to be reality. Big difference.

  • http://slamonline.com nbk

    its 11 games. how f*ckin childish to think the 11 games so far this season tells you anything. In that case, Dallas needs to trade Dirk quick. That guy is the worst best player in the league. Oh and the 76ers are going to win the championship. what’a joke

  • http://slamonline.com nbk

    Kobe is using more possessions right now then ANY PLAYER SINCE THEY BROUGHT IN THE 3PT LINE. He better be at the top of the league in scoring. He sure isn’t passing the ball.

  • http://slamonline.com LakeShow

    nbk, Your seemingly having a “teenage girl tantrum” right now. Your tossing things out there like “we hate Gasol” “hate Bynum.” That’s all fine and good, but I have never said anything like that?? Love both those dudes for all they have done for my favorite organization. You might be thinking about that fact that Gasol was worse than Carlos Boozer in the West semi’s and so i’ll call him out when he stinks like that. Doesn’t mean I hate him. I don’t hate anyone on my team. (except Sasha V. and Smush Parker) I don’t like the term hater, but your edging towards that right now. I know you hate Kobe and the Lakers, but there’s no reason to hate on them right now. They had a fun game against an easy team. Let us enjoy basketball instead of telling us why our team is so terrible etc.

  • Maniac

    Yes I didn’t know what to think of Troy and Josh but they are proving to be good additions. The bench will be fine as long as they can score (in the 30s atleast because anything more than that is probably asking too much). Pau… I’m happy that Blake and barnes are now doing what they should have done last year (better later than never lol). I like Matt in the starting unit. As for Bynum, after this season, anyone would be an absolute idiot to say he isn’t the 2nd best center in the league (Chris webber is saying he is damn near better than Dwight but I wouldn’t go that far).

  • http://slamonline.com Allenp

    So, we’re going to ignore that three games ago the entire NBA was talking about how Kobe was shooting so much his arm was going to fall off and Bynum was being neglected?
    He drops 48 on 50+ percent shooting, and we’re ignoring the fact that he’d taken 28 effing shots by the end of the third quarter? 28 shots!
    He is easily on place to DESTROY his shot totals from the year when he averaged 35 a game. Just destroy them. And nobody thinks this might not be the most sound policy? Or rather, if you think that you’re just hating on his greatness?
    Nah, Kobe is Kobe. He’s great. But he is shooting a LOT. An amazing amount in fact.

  • Maniac

    I meant the mid 20s for the bench scoring

  • http://slamonline.com LakeShow

    Yeah Webber is kinda crazy on that one. haha. Dwight is just too athletic and not injury prone to not be the top Center. After last nights game its easy to say, glad we Shannon Brown didn’t re-sign.

  • http://slamonline.com nbk

    oh sorry, “soft-serve gasol” or whatever it is you call him now, I mean you like him still, but your mad at him, hate was the wrong word. Your emotional you still like them, but you also complain about them, like a female does about the guy she likes. That better? I didn’t hate anything. Show me where I hated? I’ll wait.

  • OTB

    JTaylor – In regards to Kobe’s clutchness – he came in #1 on 82games.com’s Sortable NBA Player “Clutch” Stats, with “Clutch” is defined as 4th quarter or overtime, less than 5 minutes left, neither team ahead by more than 5 points.

  • http://www.82games.com/1011/CSORT11.HTM OTB

    The link is on my name. He also came in #1 in 2009 and 2010 I believe. So yes, the stats do back him up. It’s only when you follow Henry Abbott’s definition of “clutch” being “last 24 seconds” that Bryant falls behind.

  • http://cnbc.com JTaylor21

    The way laker fans in general talk about PGasol is the same way they still to this day talk about Shaq. It seems like they are willing to say anything to downplay the impact his teammates have on recent laker’s success in order to inflate Kobe’s greatness. It’s quite ingenious of them.

  • http://nba.com GP23

    Why is it, that whatever Kobe does, he ALWAYS gets some sort of criticism for it????
    All of Kobe’s moves are immediately placed under suspicion and overanalyzed due to his history of questionable behavior. Even if he literally took a bullet for LeBron, and pushed Wade out of the way of a speeding car, there would be speculation on his motivations.

  • OTB

    @nbk – Kobe is averaging 6 apg..I’m not sure if you actually watch Laker games, but he kicks it out a lot. The only game this year where he played like absolute crap and didn’t pass was against the Nuggets. I even wrote on here after that it was absolutely horrendous of him…but he’s toned it down since then.

  • http://slamonline.com nbk

    See how these conversations only happen after the Lakers (Specifically Kobe) do really well? Isn’t that glaring evidence that y’all are overly emotional? We have been saying the same things about Kobe since Mike Brown got hired. Nothing has changed from what was said this summer. What has changed, Kobe made over 50% of his shots last night (for just the 4th time in 11 games) that’s what. It’s not something that happens regularly, so for every “i told you so” game there are almost 3 “why aren’t you saying anything” games.

  • http://www.twitter.com/nflem41 Nicolas Fleming

    Allen said it best. “Kobe is Kobe.” That’s it. That’s what happens. Some days you are going to love it, and other days you are going to want to throw a $4 million ring at his face. At the end of the day, he is a top 10 player in the history of the L and nothing you do, I do or he does is going to change that now.

  • Maniac

    No the entire NBA was not saying that. Those were the journalist idiots you choose to base your opinion off of. Anyone with an objective mind and actually watches the Laker games knows that Bynum doesn’t know how to handle double teams well yet and sometimes gets in position too late to command the ball with good time on the clock. As for Kobe’s shooting, he may be shooting too much… Probably. I can say with confidence though that the lakers would probably be in a worst position if Kobe weren’t being as aggressive.

  • OTB

    Who has downplayed Gasol’s importance? No one. But to claim he’s the most important player on the team is asinine.

  • http://cnbc.com JTaylor21

    Abbott’s focused strictly on shots taken during the final 24 seconds of a one or two point game.

  • http://slamonline.com nbk

    he is averaging (.3) (.3) (.3) more assists per 36 minutes then last season. while shooting 2 more shots. His passing is the same as Monta Ellis’ (actually he’s a little more selfish), it’s a last resort. Obviously this argument is never going to change anything with you, you have had big huge kobe ball sack goggles on your face since the first time you started commenting, his raw stats reflect that he is being less selfish then ever, so y’all use that as your evidence, when really, this is the most selfish he has played in the last 6 years, if not his whole entire career.

  • OTB

    First of all, unlike most of the Kobe-dislike brigade that parades around here everyday, I actually have watched Laker games this season. Has he been selfish some games? Yes. The Denver game in particular he literally was the sole reason the Lakers lost. Since then? Not so much. Kobe doesn’t force the issue often, and most of his shots have been within the flow of the offense. In fact, I’m more concerned with his turnovers and poor 3 point shooting than I am with his shot selection. As long as the Lakers are winning, and the bigs are getting their share, it really doesn’t matter.

  • http://slamonline.com nbk

    OTB Kobe came out 1st in Points Per 48 Minutes during Clutch Situations. He also comes out 1st in Field Goals Attempted Per 48 Minutes in Clutch Situations. There is a direct correlation.

  • http://slamonline.com nbk

    In reference to your point about 82 games. He wasn’t the best clutch player, he scored the most clutch points. big difference.

  • hybris

    Haters gonna hate, Kobe gonna ball. Same as always. Let the haters nitpick and dig up stats to prove their petty claims. You guys can pull up all the stats you’d like, but at the end of the day Kobe is a winner. Why that seems to bother so many people, who knows. It’s funny reading all the haters comments… Hate only proves he’s great.

  • Conor O.

    Primarily: JTaylor, you are a dunce; Secondarily: Kobe will slow his pace, post-Miami, so as not to delude his stamina, pre-Playoffs. He knows his limits, and he also knows Bynum’s. Remember that (general).

  • OTB

    The problem is, most of the guys who dislike Kobe just read the work of guys like Hollinger, Abbott, or Dwyer and worship what they say as being objective truths, when they are just as biased as any of the extreme “Kobe lovers” y’all love to pick on.

  • OTB

    My point in general is that he is in the clutch conversation – Abbott makes it seem like guys like Shawn Marion are better options based on his lists. Who would you rather take the shot in an isolation situation for the Lakers? Derek Fisher? Kobe is the only creator on that team.

  • http://slamonline.com Allenp

    I think Kobe shoots a lot.
    Some of you agree, some disagree. Many of you think him shooting a lot is justified and necessary.
    Somebody mentioned that Kobe is second to LeBron in scoring. Yet, that person neglected to mention that LeBron is shooting 59 percent from the field and taking 19 shots a game, while Kobe is shooting 46 percent from the field and taking nearly 24 shots. And taking 4 threes a game and making 18 percent of them.
    I just hate having discussions about Kobe or LeBron because everybody is so busy discussing their legacies you can’t have an honest discussion about the choices they are making in the moment.
    Bottom line, to me, Kobe is no longer in the triangle and is playing like he has a point to prove about what he can still do on offense. He’s shooting almost as many shots as Gasol and Bynum take combined.
    There may be downsides to passing to passing into the post, but ultimately it makes the game easier for everyone, and allows other players to develop their rhythm.
    (Also, to correct myself, Kobe is not going to shatter his shot total mark from the 35 ppg year, that was wrong. But he’s also averaging 4 turnovers a game, his second highest total in his career.)

  • http://slamonline.com Allenp

    And I don’t know about other cats, but I don’t read Hollinger, I skim Abbot and I don’t read Dwyer. I don’t even like advanced statistics that much.
    I mainly just watch games.
    I figured no minds would be changed during this discussion, but it seems like it’s not even going to be a productive sharing of opinions.

  • http://slamonline.com nbk

    OTB, I’m with you on that point about Abbot (although he admitted some of the guys that qualify should be ignored). Kobe is clearly the guy on LA who I want making the clutch decisions. But I don’t however think he is some otherworldly clutch performer. Somebody has too take and make (or miss) clutch shots. Kobe takes more then anyone in those situations, he better be at the top of the league when it comes to producing in them as well. If he wasn’t then there would be a huge problem.

  • http://www.alllooksame.com Tarzan Cooper

    He was just trying to make up for that game 7 against the suns in 06 (I think) where he took so few shots, and he obviously tanked it just to show he didn’t have scoring teammates. What a great leader

  • http://www.leaguelineup.com/welcome.asp?url=pawtucketymca Gametimeweezy

    Kobe is having a bounce back season for the ages, plus he’s going through a divorce. Trust me when he’s on the basketball court he’s Strictly Business. Focused.

  • http://averysmith.org Avery Smith

    And to think I turned from this game to the Warriors/Heat game. Oy.

  • http://slamonline.com LakeShow

    Nice comment there Allen. You actually seem objective… BTW, No one disagrees that Kobe shoots allot. It’s a fact that Kobe shoots allot. For some of us it’s part of why we like him. For others it’s why they hate him. Either way, it’s a fact, Kobe shoots allot. I have no problem with Kobe’s shooting right now. He will slow his roll and make sure Bynum and Gasol get there’s. He is just feeling young right now and is trying to take advantage of having hundreds of days of rest and surgery that worked.

  • http://slamonline.com Allenp

    I don’t dislike him for shooting a lot. Sometimes you’re paid to shoot. When you have a team that needs you to shoot a lot, that’s what you do.
    I get bothered by his shot selection more than his shot totals. And I don’t understand why he doesn’t see that his lack of trust in other players have impacts later. It’s just weird.

  • Ldub

    a few hours and 100 comments later Kobe still dropped 48 last night, shooting 18 of 31. Selfish? Idk if i would say that much. Trying to win? yes! Heres a question…if you were on a team, and knew that your teammates were struggling to get a groove (for that night), would you keep giving them the ball or take more shots yourself?
    I think no matter what a great star does, its always gonna be frowned upon, win or lose. People have been ready to write off KB is the best in the L and pass it to LBJ or KD. IMO this is Kobe’s way of saying im not done just yet. Granted it was on the SUNS who are not known for D, but still 48 is 48 on more than 50% shooting is outstanding. If that would have been Gasol, would the discussion be he is selfish or holy @#%&, pau just dropped 50?? Kobe was, is and always will be a scorer first. doesnt make him self, because if he wasnt, idk if he would have 5 rings.

  • http://slamonline.com nbk

    so LDub, Kobe’s teammates have been struggling every game of his career but game 7 against Phoenix in 2006? He didn’t shoot THAT many shots compared to normal last night. It was no more selfish then it usually is.

  • dsleepy

    i hope kobe does tear it up for the remainder of the year, but let’s not kid ourselves. it’s still very early in the season.

  • Dungeon Family

    Yo I find it so Funny That people Like @NBK and @JTaylor21 Hate Kobe but click on the post whenever they see his name.

    @nbk has left the most comments on this post

    @JTaylor21 is a Heat Fan…….worry about Lebron and his 4th quarter antics

  • http://slamonline.com LakeShow

    Allen. I agree. I would be stupid to not see that Kobe can be selfish and is not a “get the team going first and foremost” kind of guy. He isn’t. He is a shooter and a scorer. I would like to see him be more of a team player with out a doubt, but when he does his thing and you win you gotta give him that also. If they lost last night this would all be about how selfish Kobe is. Rightfully so. BUT they won. He had about 5 or 6 shots last night that I would say were ill advised. But honestly 6 shots out of 30 are bad ones isn’t so bad for a volume shooter. I do hope (and trust) that in the future KB will be getting his big fellas involved more. Just don’t expect Gasol or Bynum to get more than 20 shots in a game to often. They just won’t. You can strictly pack the lane so much. Gasol and Bynum both are still inconsistent offensively and defensively. You can’t say that about Bean. You can say his shot in inconsistent, but never his aggressiveness, mentality, and approach to the game.

  • Niyagirlfresh

    I love when he proves people wrong, people are so happy to see him fail and fall off. But everytime they think he does he goes and proves people wrong, it makes people mad lol. But he deserves credit with his injuries through his career and becoming of age and still being able to play like he does it’s time to let the hate go. He’s shooting the ball well(better than a lot of players who aren’t injured), I know people are going to find fault with it because all they see is “Aww man Kobe’s scoring again, OH NOES”!!! LOL. But he’s shooting well picking his spots and putting up points when we need him to. We don’t have a scorer on the perimeter who can take the load off of him so for now he has to be the scorer, the distributer, the passer etc. However this doesn’t need to become a habit, not only will it be bad for the team, but the wear and tear on his injuries, and legs will soon show. He started off hot last season and then cooled off dramatically so let’s just hope something gives but he’s able to maintain his ability to score but as well take some of the pressure off him, unfortunately as much as I love watching him crap in his critics faces I would rather them establish an offense that can help when us a title, Kobe ball doesn’t win titles.

  • http://slamonline.com nbk

    I don’t at all hate Kobe. I even have a kobe t-shirt on right now. And clearly you haven’t noticed, but Taylor and I (and the majority of people tht took part in this comment section) have an opinion about almost everything posted. Not just stuff about your man crush.

  • http://cnbc.com JTaylor21

    JTaylor is a heat fan? That is new news to JTaylor.

  • http://cnbc.com JTaylor21

    I’m what you would call a Kobe admirer. I even have a black mamba in my pants right now, well…I wouldn’t call it black more like lightskinned mamba.

  • http://slamonline.com LakeShow

    Taylor, You root for the Heat. Your favorite player is LeBron… Your a Heat fan. I don’t know why you, nbk, and Allen P don’t want to label yourselves as Heat fans. I don’t know what else you call a fan of the Heat other than a Heat fan.

  • chingy

    I think Kobe came to the realization that his team cna’t win a chip this year so he’s going into eff you mode and just trying to score as many points as he can.

  • http://slamonline.com The Philosopher

    The King is still better.

  • http://Slamonline.com nbk

    I have never in my life rooted for any teams other than the 90s Bulls and Suns. Everything you have an opinion about in your life Lakeshow is something your a fan of? Dumb

  • http://cnbc.com JTaylor21

    Always been a fan of players never of teams.

  • http://google J-Ro

    Co-sign nbk, it will be a loooooong day. Jamal Crawford can go for 50 any day too, and its not like he’s going to b*tch about his ESPN ranking.

  • http://slamonline.com LakeShow

    So you don’t care if the Heat win games Taylor? nbk, not everything you have an opinion on your a fan of, but everything that you have some stock in or that you’d like to see succeed your a fan of. You all would like the Heat to succeed and win the chip this year. If it’s Bron that makes you a fan of the Heat that’s fine, but your a fan of the Heat. There’s nothing wrong with being a fan. If you want to be “un-traditional fans” that’s fine, but your fans of the Heat. At least IMO. J-Ro, if Crawford did that we should be giving him props. He didn’t though, Kobe did(almost). Crawford has 3, 50 point games. Kobe has 25. So “Jamal Crawford can go for 50 any day” doesn’t really work.

  • NastyTyler

    ^cosign.

  • Maniac

    Lol LakeShow it’s not even worth it man. We’ll revisit this next month when Kobe is still ballin. Smh

  • http://Slamonline.com nbk

    I don’t give a damn if the Heat win the title. I predicted they would but If they don’t, I’m wrong and I move on. I couldn’t care less.

  • http://Slamonline.com nbk

    So when I had the Lakers winning the title at the beginning of last season I was a Lakers fan. Gotcha.

  • Mburb321

    Nah NBK the way you consistently defend/praise Bron lets me know you have some investment in the heat, the two go hand in hand.

  • Dan

    he would prove his critics wrong if he’d pass the ball down low more often

  • Mburb321

    Predicting who wins and rooting for who wins is two different things, last year you may have predicted the lakers were going to win but u were prob rooting for miami because u love lebron.

  • http://slamonline.com Allenp

    I like a lot of teams to be honest. Memphis, Philly, Indiana, Miami, hell even the Wizards.
    Mainly I’m a fan of basketball. But, it’s whatever. Y’all have a good evening.

  • http://Slamonline.com nbk

    There is a pretty obvious reason. Nobody notices the amount of irrational Kobe support, and (from the same people a lot of times) irrational LeBron hate. You see anyone call LeBron a top 20 player all-time (as absurd imo as those calling Kobe top 5)? Or compare him to Jordan? Or say anything other than “he’s the best player in the league today”? You see anyone defend LeBron’s horrid performance in the 4th last night? No? To all of the above? Hmm what reason would I have to argue with someone about LeBron? Did u read the irrational “I told you so” “Kobe’s the best in the league still” yada yada?

  • http://slamonline.com Kap

    Three key reserve players were missing last night so him taking alot of shot and going off is justified. He has a lot of pep in his step this year. That procedure in Germany could actually be a bigger deal than we thought. This team is also another perimeter playmaker/scorer away from being the favorites out West while I do believe this team as is can get to the Finals. Don’t know if they can’t beat Miami but they stand a good chance against everyone else.

  • http://slamonline.com datkid

    I’ll admit I’ma heat fan… but whatever.

  • Maniac

    What’s wrong with Kobe being top 5? IMO the only guys in history that are definitely over Kobe are probably Russell, MJ, & Wilt. And anyways nbk you will find any reason to down Kobe so whatever.

  • http://Slamonline.com nbk

    Yup, saying Kobe isn’t top 5 is Downing him. Makes perfect sense.

  • http://Slamonline.com nbk

    Show me where I’ve actually said something negative Kobe other then he’s selfish.

  • http://www.kb24.com The Seed

    Wow, people stating Kobe shoots alot is like saying MJ never shot at all. People MJ used to shoot his teams out of games, his teammates complained about getting shots. Its funny I watched countless games of MJ just shooting to get 30 points a game. MJ once stated that he tries to get 8 points a quarter to end up with 32 points or more a game. So MJ is selfish right. Its funny, dude is 33 years old his team is winning with a subpar bench and a 50 year old point guard and people still hating. Just celebrate his career and his accomplishments. He is the only player in History to lead a team to 2 rings with out another Hall of Famer on his team. BOOK IT!!!

  • Allenp

    So you are certain Pay isn’t going to the HOF?

  • http://www.slamonline.com Nick Tha Quick

    ^^^ It doesn’t bother me when dudes like JT and nbk blindly hate on Kobe and/or the Lakers and will ALWAYS find something to degrade said person/team about, even when the thing they find is as trivial as the jaw-jut. I can live with people being fans of their fav player/team and having to hate rival player/team. It sports. What bothers me is their refusal to admit that they just plain hate his guts for no particular reason. Instead, they want to claim that they hate selfish basketball or hate anyone trying to be like MJ or hate the same teams that keep winning it. Just come out and say it like Eboy. You just hate the dude. Simple. It won’t kill you. It won’t break anyone’s heart.

  • Showmeyourwits

    I agree that Kobe is selfish, but that’s why I’m a fan of his. When the Laker lead dwindled to 1 in the 4th, he selfishly scored 16 pts to ice the game. Conversely, when the Heat lead evaporated in the 4th, Lebron unselfishly passed to his teammates to get them going, and unfortunately they didn’t get going and the Heat lost in overtime. Kobe’s usage rate isn’t sustainable, but Bynum and Gasol have to do more to establish their position and make it easier to get them the ball. Until that starts happening, Kobe is gonna keep chucking.

  • http://slamonline.com LakeShow

    Nick tha Quick with the truth. Well Allen, what do you think? Should Pau be in the Hall of fame? He is borderline, but at this point I don’t think so.

  • http://slamonline.com LakeShow

    Showmeyouwits, 100% co sign.

  • Maniac

    I’ll stick with Pau being borderline HOF at this point. We’ll see where his career goes. If the Lakers win another with him as the 2nd/3rd option then yes.

  • http://slamonline.com LakeShow

    I agree that if he gets another chip or two in his career being an integral part of a team he should probably get the nod. If he retired today… no.

  • http://www.kb24.com The Seed

    Pau is not going into the Hall of Fame, for winning two rings as a distant 2nd best player on Kobe’s Team. Pau is tradable and will be traded this or next. BOOK IT!!

  • http://breeze.com Breeze

    I agree with Seed..you dudes must havent watch jordan games, ive seen games he took 8 shots shraight and miss at least 5. No knock to MJ but he is a scorer just like kobe they take shots. Respect game this dude is the harder worker, best footwork and has a high basketball IQ. Lets not even mention clutch and heart. That the Philospher thinks the king is better. The same king that was walking under pressure literally getting called for travel.Mamba !

  • http://slamonline.com LakeShow

    Thanks for that Seed… thankss…. …

  • Animalxxx13

    Kobe is not HOF material, greatness is measured by the number of finals MVP and he has only gotten 1.5 haha

  • Spades

    People always forget how terrible Kobe was on his own. Without a big man (or multiple big men) to back him up, Kobe looks like the most selfish player in the NBA those 3 and change seasons without Gasol. He missed the playoffs entirely one year and got kicked out of the first round twice. What was LeBron doing in that span? Getting to the Finals on his own with a bunch of D-Leaguers and repeatedly going deep in the playoffs. Also, Kobe’s FG percentage is horrendous.

  • Animalxxx13

    Anyone who shoots 31 times in the league can get 40 pts or more

  • http://www.facebook.com/joe.l.brewer3 BlackPhantom

    @Seed, Pau Gasol was a distant second option on the two Laker teams Kobe led? Give me a f*cking break, without Gasol we aren’t winning either series. Especially the series against Boston, he performed GREAT in Game 7, He was our main scorer other than Kobe, and Kobe went 6 for 20, only reason Kobe had 20+ points is because he got to the line. Gasol’s almost as important to LA as Kobe. Is Pau soft? Usually. But he has still produced when it mattered most.

  • http://SLAMONLINE.COM LakeShow

    Shout out to BP. Your right on buddy. @animalxxx, Kobe shoots above the league average fg% wise. So no his fg% isn’t horrendous. It’s above average.

  • http://www.slamonline.com J

    if pau continues to play at least at an all star level the rest of his career, he’s HOF’er. his accomplishments go beyond the nba a little more. no pau, no five rings for mamba. plain. simple. even kobe admitted that his teammates, most notably Gasol who lifted the team in game 7 of 2010 finals. (see press conference)

  • http://www.slamonline.com J

    *lifted the team for the most part

  • http://Slamonline.com nbk

    Y’all noticed Chris Mullin is in the HOF? Idk if Pau is a “hall of famer” but he sure is good enough to be.

  • http://www.kb24.com The Seed

    BLack Phantom
    Pau had one great game 7, seriously. Pau did nothing against Howard in Orlando Series, Choke against KG 1st time around, did a little better against KG second time and he is HOFamer. So everyone that win titles plays good in NBA Finals goes to HOF. Come on, Pau as a number one option for Grizzles, choked every 1st round series for years. Come on man, anybody who thinks Pau is a HOFamer based off his career so far are homers. BOOK IT!!

  • http://obsessioncollection.wordpress.com grgeblck

    YUP to Kobe! Kobe really and still proving that he is a selfish player. Oh ya but I understand, who else can he pass to? Trust yourself. lol.

  • RedRum

    erm… how exactly is he proving critics wrong???? He shoots way too much with a very low scoring percentage 45%, in fact his eFG is the lowest of the whole starting lineup!!! I hate Lebron, but he has been playing great this year, he is scoring the same points as Kobe shooting an amazing 59%!!

  • http://anyoldthing Ugh

    @BlackStar – Actually all those guys DID prove the critics wrong – they were all predicted to be great or HoF players and consistently proved they weren’t. (Critics critique, haters criticise.)

  • Allenp

    HOF includes international stuff.

  • Ali

    a 66 game season, yeah it’s early in the season, but some people just don’t get it and never will. This guy is not your typical NBA baller, just playing night in and night out, like 80% of the league. He listens to the fans, haters and media saying he’s old and way past his prime. He plays with a dead serious purpose, EVERY GAME. And for the past 3-4 years people have said he’s old and over the hill, and each one of those years he makes alot if people retrack those words. So here we go again in 2012.

  • http://www.nba.com VanCityBBall

    although i dont like Kobe very much i respect him and im man enough to say he really shut me up

  • Drig

    nbk and JT21, Kobe got his shots off within the flow of his offense yesterday. If you see the last few games, he’s been getting off most of his shots through set screens or pnrs. He’s been the primary ball handler for this team no doubt and has been having a torrid time with TOs (which is why he’s rather coming off screens rather than dribbling the hell outta the ball courtesy of his busted wrist ). However, one thing that gets lost in translation is that Bynum and Pau did get shot attempts. They did tries. Even today vs Utah, they got touches. But they weren’t able to get into good positions quickly or consistently enough early in the clock to get the ball to them. Also, they seem to have lead feet right now……

    Kobe’s been shooting a lot right now. vs Denver, it was uncalled for and plain stupid. vs Utah, GS, Phx or whatever team he’s played well, he’s been controlled. Tries to get the others going. If they do, then go with the flow before takeover ala Rockets. If they don’t respond, go and try to get the game back singlehandedly and establish the flow which will carry you to the win ala GS. ( Remember that Kobe did go back to team ball for the last 5 minutes of Q4. Early in Q4, he had problems reverting to Laker Ball from Kobe ball though. ) Or ride your hot hand like vs Phx.

  • Drig

    BTW, I expect Kobe to tone it down near the end of the season or during the All-Star break.

    The problem for LA has been that the games have been coming thick and fast. The bigs need more time to recover than Kobe. Hence in back-to-back games, you can see Bynum/Pau not looking sharp/not being able to hold positions etc. Hopefully, MikeB can manage the time (sit one guy out once McRob,TMurphy and Kapono come back for a game and adopt a rotation policy in heavy weeks :\ ) and keep everyone healthy.

    Oh yeah, for the record, Kobe is shooting a lot. The only problem I’ve had with Kobe so far though has been the two games vs Denver and his ridiculous number of 3pt shots with his wrist. If all of Kobe’s attempts come in the flow or closer to the basket as a result of good passing, I don’t mind if he takes 50 as well.

  • http://Slamonline.com nbk

    I am not complaining about what Kobe did last night. There is nothing to defend about it, it was awesome. Selfish, but that doesn’t matter. Getting mad at Kobe for being selfish would be like getting mad at a politician for avoiding the question. It’s that he can’t do that consistently. Especially over the course of this season. And the Lakers getting into the habit of relying on Kobe to bail them out this early in the year is risky. Too say the least. I as a betting man, given the evidence from less strenuous seasons in Kobe’s career (when he was also younger, if I have to point that out). It’s unlikely the lakers have a realistic shot at doing anything significant.

  • http://www.leaguelineup.com/welcome.asp?url=pawtucketymca Gametimeweezy

    Yea Kobe shoots a lot and he just dropped 40 again tonight.
    And he is definately helping his team because I got him in the 2nd round on my fantasy team and I’m lovin the assist totals. And boards.
    How else is Kobe going to drop 30-40 a game? passin?

  • Drig

    @nbk

    You saw the play when Kobe posted up Nash and yelled Whoo! for the ball lol? And I wouldn’t be too worried right now about how LA is playing. Pau had no pop in his Js. Same with Bynum. Their subs were out for the day. Kapono was out and so is our 3pt shooting. Fish and Blake are well…….hmm…..not good at scoring to say the least. That’d leave us with Metta and Barnes as the active players….I’m saying that the schedule has more to do with the team playing to Kobe who I think has become a machine in Germany rather than the players’ inability or Kobe’s over-aggressiveness. And you’re right, if we play Kobe ball for 48 minutes, we won’t amount to anything significant. But the POs enables a lot more time to rest. IMO, THAT is gonna be key for LA this season. BTW, nice posting stuff here. I don’t usually do it because by the time I do looka t a post, everyone moves on lol. Glad I got in at the end. :D

    @gametimeweezy….Kobe has reached 30 points while being a playmaker lol. As ridiculous as it sounds, he got close to or almost a triple double getting 28-30/9/9 this season itself I think???

  • Drig

    Damn, what’s with the posting system here? I missed a post. Well anyways, all I posted there was that apologies for misunderstanding your opinions.

  • http://www.leaguelineup.com/welcome.asp?url=pawtucketymca Gametimeweezy

    Drig – Yea I think you’re right, you know what Metta and Barnes are the x-factors all the way

  • L

    Kobe’s cold.L

  • Justin G.

    Good Lord why do people insist on arguing with The Seed? As far as Pau and HOF, remember it’s the BASKETBALL HOF and not NBA. There’s a chance there, probably not first ballot though. nbk, while I respect most of what you say I think you’re in denial in your mostly dislike for Kobe. Most people (and I’m not saying you) dislike him simply because of the whole Colorado thing and wear blinders to the fact that he’s one of the greatest to ever play. Do people here actually watch the games? Like someone else pointed out, a lot of his shots are coming within the framework of the offense. Should he maybe look low a little more? Absolutely! But when he’s coming off screens and getting the ball with nobody around him and he’s 12-18 feet away of course he’s pulling the trigger. That’s what scorers do! Anyone who goes for 48+ is going to be taking 30+ shots a game, more often than not. It’s simple math really.
    I will correct The Seed on one thing though. MJ didn’t say he TRIES to get 8 points a quarter to get his 32. He said if he wanted to do it he could, it wouldn’t be that difficult. I believe you’re either quoting the Jordan Rules or one of Bob Greene’s books from when he travelled with him for two years.

  • http://www.triplejunearthed.com/dacre Dacre

    Shannon Brown thought he was at a Lakers practice all over again…

  • bobbyD

    @Allenp- HOF includes international stuff. You’re spot on there.

  • j edgar duder

    The Basketball Handbook by Lee Rose describes a shooting guard as someone whose primary role is to score points. As the name suggests, most shooting guards are good long-range shooters, typically averaging 35–40 percent from three point range (Ray Allen and Reggie Miller are good examples; on the other hand, three-point shooting was regarded as the only flaw in Michael Jordan’s game). Many shooting guards are also strong and athletic, and have the ability to get inside the paint and drive to the basket (Michael Jordan being an extraordinary example).

  • Justin G.

    So, NBK if someone goes off for 48 like Kobe did it’s always selfish? That seems to be the implication

  • aktion

    I wonder why its so much Kobe hate? They did Jordan the same way until he retired. I also think Kobe is number 1 until somebody shows different. I’m impressed by Durrant and Rose to there on the come up.

  • RedRum

    Lets get this straight. In a team like the Lakers, where there a lot of offensive talent with Pau and Drew at the post, there is not need for Kobe to take so many shots. It would make sense if he shot 55%+, but he does not. On the other hand, Pau and Drew shoot close to 60%. The Lakers offense would benefit from them taking 2-3 more high % shots each. Look what is happening now. Kobe scores in buckets, but LA only barely wins the games. His ball-hogging attitude comes to the detriment of the team. And please… can we stop the comparisons with MJ… he shot more than 50% his whole career.

  • Mike from Spain

    Kobe enjoys proving his critics wrong… only that he didn’t

  • Justin G.

    RedRum, to be fair Michael “only” shot over 50% in 6 seasons (4 of them being over 52%) while Kobe has yet to do it once and MJ does have a career mark of 49.7%. BTW Seed, in games where Michael had 30+ shot attempts his teams were 72-57. Guess he always shot his teams out of games huh? lol OK taking my own advice with arguing with that fool now

  • http://Slamonline.com nbk

    No, the implication is that Kobe is selfish 24/7.

  • DROSE_PLAYING_PINGPONG_AT_OLYMPICS

    It would be so much fun having jordan in todays nba!

  • DROSE_PLAYING_PINGPONG_AT_OLYMPICS

    Ideally on the nets or pistons scoring 45+ on average!

  • Jon

    Kobe is still the best in the league. And it’s not even close.

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