Wednesday, October 26th, 2011 at 1:15 pm  |  433 responses

Top 50: Kobe Bryant, no. 3

The definitive ranking of the NBA’s best players.

by Ryan Jones / @thefarmerjones

I don’t want to overplay the significance of this, but: nobody wanted Kobe.

This list, which so many of you have received so good naturedly, was submitted last month to the vast pool of SLAMonline freelancers as a first-come, first-served opportunity. The top two (I don’t want to give anything away, but you’ll notice the name “Joey Graham” has been conspicuously absent thus far…) were claimed before the list was sent out, leaving players 3-50.

Kobe Bryant was No. 3. He remains so.

I wasn’t sure I was going to write one of these this year, but as the list was sent out, and then sent out again, I couldn’t help noticing that, while some of my fellow scribblers were apparently clamoring for the chance to weigh in on LaMarcus Aldridge and Al Jefferson, Mr. Bean remained unclaimed.

At first, this shocked me. But then I realized it made a perfect sort of sense.

We’re kind of over Kobe, aren’t we?

I probably should’ve said this sooner, but what you’re reading is not the sort of Bean-bashing I’ve done in the past. (Which, let’s be honest, is a shame. I think we all had a lot of fun back then, didn’t we?) When I say we’re “over” Kobe, I don’t mean we don’t like him (which is irrelevant, even for me, at this point), or that we think he sucks, which, duh. Kobe’s still really good at basketball.

It just seems like maybe Kobe is past the point of being worth arguing about.

OK, so maybe not for all of us. Ha, ha, ha. No. Some of you us will argue about anything, I know. But after a season in which he put up his lowest scoring average in seven years (granted, he was sort of banged up all season), and after a Playoff run that ended in a second-round sweep (granted, to the eventual champs), it seems like our collective analytical energy is directed increasingly toward LeBron (still…) and Kevin and Derrick and Dwyane and Dwight. Sure, we’ll still make our case for where Kobe Bryant, Elder Statesman™, belongs among these younger lads who lack his creaky knees and fistful of rings. But it doesn’t seem to matter, not nearly so much as it did.

There’s a reason for this. A good one. It’s about legacies, and how they become set regardless of whether we’re consciously aware of it at the time.

Kobe Bryant’s legacy is set.

Kobe Bryant might play one more season, or three, or five (which would make 20—wow), but it doesn’t much matter. However much longer he goes, his career totals will go up and his averages will taper off accordingly, and it won’t really matter. He might win another title or two, which would be impressive without Phil Jackson, but will also almost certainly require the help of a player like Dwight Howard (you know, as a random example), and so that won’t matter, either.

It won’t matter because we all know where Kobe stands.

Better than Jordan? No. Never. But close, in many ways as close as anyone’s gotten, and maybe as close as anyone will get.

Better than LeBron? No, not anymore—but yes, certainly, where legacies are concerned. In that, it might never be particularly close.

We can argue the rest—Kobe vs Wade in their prime, Kobe vs Durant, Kobe vs Rose, Kobe vs Barnes or Shabazz or whoever comes next—and we will, because that’s what we do. We can make the case that some nights, during this theoretical ‘11-12 season that may never exist, Kobe Bryant still will be the best basketball player alive. And we’ll be right. Because, some nights, he still will be.

Other nights he’ll show his age, or his impatience, or his belligerence, and those of us you who are so inclined will smile at his eternal, incurable flaws and comfort yourselves with the knowledge that his time is near.

And it doesn’t matter. Because his career, in as much as it matters as a discussion piece for basketball fans, is pretty much over.

But for now—right now, today—a list composed of the opinions of a bunch of well-informed basketball writer/fans says Kobe Bryant is the third-best player in the NBA. (We had him second last year, and second the year before that.) I didn’t vote on this list, but I’m fine with his ranking. I’d probably be fine if we had him fourth, or sixth, or maybe even second. I’m not all that into lists. I don’t think it’s a big deal either way.

Hey, do you guys have any thoughts on this?

SLAMonline Top 50 Players 2011
Rank Player Team Position Pos. Rank
50 Luol Deng Bulls SF 8
49 Andrew Bogut Bucks C 7
48 Ray Allen Celtics SG 9
47 Marc Gasol Grizzlies C 6
46 David West Hornets PF 15
45 Kevin Martin Rockets SG 8
44 Andrew Bynum Lakers C 5
43 Brandon Jennings Bucks PG 11
42 Lamar Odom Lakers PF 14
41 Gerald Wallace Blazers SF 7
40 Brook Lopez Nets C 4
39 Joakim Noah Bulls C 3
38 Carlos Boozer Bulls PF 13
37 Kevin Garnett Celtics PF 12
36 Eric Gordon Clippers SG 7
35 Tony Parker Spurs PG 10
34 Andre Iguodala 76ers SG 6
33 Al Jefferson Jazz PF 11
32 Al Horford Hawks C 2
31 Stephen Curry Warriors PG 9
30 Tim Duncan Spurs PF 10
29 Josh Smith Hawks PF 9
28 Manu Ginobili Spurs SG 5
27 Tyreke Evans Kings PG 8
26 Rudy Gay Grizzlies SF 6
25 John Wall Wizards PG 7
24 Danny Granger Pacers SF 5
23 Monta Ellis Warriors SG 4
22 Joe Johnson Hawks SG 3
21 Paul Pierce Celtics SF 4
20 Steve Nash Suns PG 6
19 Zach Randolph Grizzlies PF 8
18 LaMarcus Aldridge Blazers PF 7
17 Chris Bosh Heat PF 6
16 Kevin Love TWolves PF 5
15 Rajon Rondo Celtics PG 5
14 Blake Griffin Clippers PF 4
13 Pau Gasol Lakers PF 3
12 Russell Westbrook Thunder PG 4
11 Amar’e Stoudemire Knicks PF 2
10 Deron Williams Nets PG 3
9 Carmelo Anthony Knicks SF 3
8 Chris Paul Hornets PG 2
7 Dirk Nowitzki Mavs PF 1
6 Dwight Howard Magic C 1
5 Dwyane Wade Heat SG 2
4 Derrick Rose Bulls PG 1
3 Kobe Bryant Lakers SG 1

Notes
• Rankings are based solely on projected ’11-12 performance.
• Contributors to this list include: Maurice Bobb, Shannon Booher, David Cassilo, Bryan Crawford, Sandy Dover, Adam Figman, Jon Jaques, Eldon Khorshidi, Ryne Nelson, Doobie Okon, Ben Osborne, Quinn Peterson, Dave Schnur, Abe Schwadron, Dan Shapiro, Irv Soonachan, Todd Spehr, Tzvi Twersky, Yaron Weitzman, DeMarco Williams and Ben York.
• Want more of the SLAMonline Top 50? Check out the archive.

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  • http://slamonline.com Allenp

    Otero
    The PS3 League is “Slam Commenters” password “slamily”
    It’s not too late to join for anyone. We need more people pronto.

  • Drig

    @Eboy……seriously? It’s more like his place isn’t as controversial in the logical sense as Rose over Wade or Dwight being so low etc. AND the fact that the topic is losing steam fast. No more whining about X not being in top 5 or who’ll be in the top 5 then like the top 6-10 guys’ posts contained.

  • http://www.optimabbc.be Max

    I’m waiting on my mother to come home with my ps3 so I can get my 2k12 on.

  • http://bulls.com airs

    that’s precious, max. haha
    jus playing bro

  • http://www.bulls.com Enigmatic

    Max, join soon as you get it homie!

  • http://www.optimabbc.be Max

    And to no ones surpris e my mom forgot to actually go the the store and get my ps3 back SMFH…

  • http://www.optimabbc.be Max

    /watch?v=SIaor_gJmUo
    Thats whats going on in my head right now lol.

  • Brandon

    People fail to realize when discussing or assessing Kobe’s stats from a year ago that Phil played him less last year in an effort to keep him relatively fresh for the postseason, which turned out to be pointless. Look at his minutes from last season and compare with all of his previous seasons: 33 mpg vs usual 38-40 mpg. That means his playing time was cut down 5-7 minutes!! With that decrease, of course his scoring, rebounds, and assists will go down! Any player’s stats would, regardless of age. This is a fact that cannot be overlooked, and I’m surprised Slam failed to mention this. Nonetheless, look for Kobe and the Lakers to rebound from last season (which was a lost season). Not saying they will win and Kobe will put up insane numbers, but there definitely will be an improvement over last season.

  • Maniac

    Damn u Allen lol. It’s good though. I don’t need both seven footers lol. Aiming for a more athletic, younger laker team this year.

  • Lz – Cphfinest3

    Well Max why don’t you hop on your big-wheel and hurry to the store then?

  • Lz – Cphfinest3

    Just joking hehehe…

  • http://www.optimabbc.be Max

    Because its to far away and I cant drive a car lol

  • http://slamonline.com nbk

    Brandon he shot more in less minutes then any player in the NBA. His adjusted stats are still lower then his average. He had a worse season then he has since the 90′s and not because he played less minutes.

  • Lz – Cphfinest3

    Be big-wheel I meant that kind of children’s bike with the big wheel in front and two small ones in the back. Would post a link but it would only get through when the season starts. Maybe I got the name wrong?

  • http://www.optimabbc.be Max

    I know what you meant lol, but if I could drive a car Id be playing 2k now.

  • http://www.nba.com showtime

    @ allenp even thou these nets are terrible, not giving up deron thou…lol

  • Bainbridge Wright

    Thank God for SLAM. ESPN’s list was ridiculous, and this one is sane. I assume Bron is No. 1 and KD is No. 2. But if the positions are reversed, I can live with that. Good work, SLAM.

  • http://slamonline.com Ben Osborne

    @Bainbridge Wright: thanks!

  • MUBWAR

    what’s the ps3 love, no love 4 Microsoft.

  • Ali

    Come on now…LBJ ain’t even the best player on his team, others have already said this above days ago. GTFOH…

  • mytiman

    No way in the world is Kevin Durant better than Black Mamba.

  • Rainman

    and btw, yet again dumb comments made by the Seed, BOOK IT!

  • kobethebasketballmessiah

    Kobe is only 33 and you guys are branding him “old”. jordan at 36 wasn’t talked about like this. how come you guys don’t come up with articles that talk about steve nash’s age? and lebron is better than kobe? he has better stats than kobe yes, but better player?i don’t think so. yes kobe takes ill advised shots, breaks the triangle often, because he has earned the right to do those. Lebron, no rings, no championship and yet he is better? that’s the most BS thing i’ve ever encounter. his post up game isn’t even close to kobe’s.HE IS NOT BETTER.he is good, but not in the same breath as kobe.Kobe while ailing still can match up with lebron, at a limited physical state, kobe is still dominant. imagine kobe at 33 w/ rested knees, ankle and hands. he knows lebron’s game, lebron haven’t gotten close to figuring kobe out. he is not as good as kobe, he is not as good as kobe. he dunks, he drives, he doesn’t shoot as good as you want people to think. he lacks the intagibles. he lacks leadership so how is he a better player?

  • http://www.nba.com showtime

    Kobe is NOT a good leader… Scores yes(& that on a decline) ..leader NO..but y even bother having this discussion.LBJ #1

  • Ballislove

    THANK you Tariq

  • tjc

    Are you kiding me if anyone above kobe bryant has more rings than him then okay i wont argue but if they dont stop and please put kobe back at number 1 REMEMBER LADIES AND GENTLEMAN THE RING IS THE THING

    Kobe at number 3 really come on

  • http://slamonline.com nbk

    Its not a lifetime achievement award genius.

  • golakeshow

    fuc you you fucing bich. you fucing asshole. i hope to see you in hell bich.

  • http://Slamonline.com nbk

    Someone should teach that dude how to spell.

  • Reeves

    Ok, first off, @The Seed is a complete idiot. Even a month and a half later. We all agree. Probably even @The Seed agrees. Literally every last one of the stats you wrote had Michael above Kobe. Intangibles can only make up for so much, dude. And rings are the measure of a team, not just one player. Bron is above Kobe (currently). So back to normal people. Love this Slam list. I think KD is a little high. While he is clearly the best scorer in the league (and is young, driven, good decision-maker), I would probably take Derrick Rose or Dwayne Wade over KD, as they’re both great scorers and command more spotlight in almost all other aspects of the game. Dwight would follow, and then would be Kobe. I’d almost even rather have Melo than Kobe this season. Good in all aspects, and will continue to be.

  • Mike

    Kobe is a great guard, but he was not the #3 player last year.
    His PER stats are quite good, but not exceptional. Sorry guys.

  • ilovedwight

    this is a bunch of BS i can’t believe it lebron is No.1, does he have four rings? i dont think so! bunch of idiots

  • ilovedwight

    dwight howard is best just putting that out there!

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