Wednesday, January 11th, 2012 at 9:00 am  |  168 responses

Kobe Bryant Enjoying Proving Critics Wrong


by Marcel Mutoni @marcel_mutoni

Everyone thought they saw the signs coming: Kobe Bryant’s numbers were headed downward, he was getting up there in age, his body racked by an endless amount of debilitating injuries, he had to deal with a new coach and system (which was supposed to begin tilting towards the team’s two big men), an uneven team, and there was even talk from some corners that LA was about to become a Clippers town.

Kobe Bryant’s gradual downfall seemed inevitable to all. All but Kobe Bryant, it seems.

The 33-year old future Hall of Famer turned the clock back last night against the Phoenix Suns, dropping in a season-high 48 points to lead the Los Angeles Lakers to their third straight win. Afterwards, Kobe took great delight in reminding the doubters just how wrong they have been about him.

From the LA Times:

Kobe Bryant wants you to say he can’t do it anymore. He’s too old. He’s played too many minutes. He’s too hurt. He shoots too much. After scoring an NBA season-high 48 points on 18 of 31 shooting in the Lakers’ 99-83 victory Tuesday over the Phoenix Suns, Bryant asked a reporter to tell him to his face he can’t consistently replicate such an effort through the rest of the Lakers’ (7-4) 55-game season. Even if he strung three 30-point plus games in the last four all on a torn ligament in his right wrist.

“Not bad for the seventh best player in the league,” Bryant said in a shot at the ranking a panel of ESPN writers gave him this offseason.

Kobe didn’t just have his critics in mind last night; the Black Mamba also let it be known that his long memory recalls the pain of past Playoff defeats at the hands of Phoenix: “I don’t like them,” Bryant said of the Suns. “Plain and simple, I do not like them. They used to whip us pretty good and used to let us know about it and I. Will. Not. Forget. That.” Even though most of the guys from that team are gone? “I. Don’t. Care,” Bryant said. “I won’t let it go.”

Kobe Bryant is now the League’s second-leading scorer at 29.5 points a game, and shooting 46% from the field.

Many still don’t consider the Lakers true title contenders this season, but Kobe is determined to prove us all wrong in that regard as well.

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  • http://slamonline.com Allenp

    So getting big point totals against the Suns is a big deal now?
    Really now?
    We’re at that point now?
    Cool.

  • http://slamonline.com nbk

    Well I don’t really read the comments from people that are just saying things. Hard to tell if that’s just anger, hate, sarcasm, or honesty. Like someone said LeBron wasn’t worth Evan Turner earlier, I didn’t take that seriously. I don’t think anyone giving a genuine basketball opinion thought Kobe was done. But if your Kobe love runs so deep that you think every negative thing that has been said about him is an honest opinion, how have you kept your sanity? Y’all Laker fans are more emotional then teenage girls. Y’all hate Gasol, even though he’s clearly your second best player. Y’all used to hate Bynum, then he had 6 good games and now he’s the bees knees. please, the playoffs are going to roll around and Kobe will be breaking down, Bynum will prolly be hurt, and Gasol will have to deal with questions about the consistency of his character. Then y’all will lose in the second round or third round and the cycle starts again.

  • Maniac

    Kobe is easily one of the four greatest clutch players of all time along with Jordan, Bird, and West. There really isn’t much debate unless you wanna talk about here he ranks on that list. End of discussion.

  • http://slamonline.com LakeShow

    Maniac, ma dood. Honestly love this Laker team. They just have so much more to prove and I like ‘old’ Kobe. Pau is gunna be Pau. I just ask that for every egg he lays he gives us a gem also. Troy the drunk and McBob are nice additions. Troy is hittin them shots and grabbing the boards and even dishing every once in a while. McBob is that scrappy player every good team needs to come off the bench. Blake finally realized he is a decent PG. Matt Barnes doing exactly what I thought he would do last year. Bynum is who we told everyone he is. Just good to have NBA back in general though.

  • http://slamonline.com nbk

    oh lawd

  • Maniac

    Lol so Kobe isn’t 2nd in the league in scoring? Lebron isn’t only ahead by 0.4 points? This has been his only big scoring night? Ok. I’m done here.

  • http://cnbc.com JTaylor21

    There’s reality then there’s what kobe fans perceive to be reality. Big difference.

  • http://slamonline.com nbk

    its 11 games. how f*ckin childish to think the 11 games so far this season tells you anything. In that case, Dallas needs to trade Dirk quick. That guy is the worst best player in the league. Oh and the 76ers are going to win the championship. what’a joke

  • http://slamonline.com nbk

    Kobe is using more possessions right now then ANY PLAYER SINCE THEY BROUGHT IN THE 3PT LINE. He better be at the top of the league in scoring. He sure isn’t passing the ball.

  • http://slamonline.com LakeShow

    nbk, Your seemingly having a “teenage girl tantrum” right now. Your tossing things out there like “we hate Gasol” “hate Bynum.” That’s all fine and good, but I have never said anything like that?? Love both those dudes for all they have done for my favorite organization. You might be thinking about that fact that Gasol was worse than Carlos Boozer in the West semi’s and so i’ll call him out when he stinks like that. Doesn’t mean I hate him. I don’t hate anyone on my team. (except Sasha V. and Smush Parker) I don’t like the term hater, but your edging towards that right now. I know you hate Kobe and the Lakers, but there’s no reason to hate on them right now. They had a fun game against an easy team. Let us enjoy basketball instead of telling us why our team is so terrible etc.

  • Maniac

    Yes I didn’t know what to think of Troy and Josh but they are proving to be good additions. The bench will be fine as long as they can score (in the 30s atleast because anything more than that is probably asking too much). Pau… I’m happy that Blake and barnes are now doing what they should have done last year (better later than never lol). I like Matt in the starting unit. As for Bynum, after this season, anyone would be an absolute idiot to say he isn’t the 2nd best center in the league (Chris webber is saying he is damn near better than Dwight but I wouldn’t go that far).

  • http://slamonline.com Allenp

    So, we’re going to ignore that three games ago the entire NBA was talking about how Kobe was shooting so much his arm was going to fall off and Bynum was being neglected?
    He drops 48 on 50+ percent shooting, and we’re ignoring the fact that he’d taken 28 effing shots by the end of the third quarter? 28 shots!
    He is easily on place to DESTROY his shot totals from the year when he averaged 35 a game. Just destroy them. And nobody thinks this might not be the most sound policy? Or rather, if you think that you’re just hating on his greatness?
    Nah, Kobe is Kobe. He’s great. But he is shooting a LOT. An amazing amount in fact.

  • Maniac

    I meant the mid 20s for the bench scoring

  • http://slamonline.com LakeShow

    Yeah Webber is kinda crazy on that one. haha. Dwight is just too athletic and not injury prone to not be the top Center. After last nights game its easy to say, glad we Shannon Brown didn’t re-sign.

  • http://slamonline.com nbk

    oh sorry, “soft-serve gasol” or whatever it is you call him now, I mean you like him still, but your mad at him, hate was the wrong word. Your emotional you still like them, but you also complain about them, like a female does about the guy she likes. That better? I didn’t hate anything. Show me where I hated? I’ll wait.

  • OTB

    JTaylor – In regards to Kobe’s clutchness – he came in #1 on 82games.com’s Sortable NBA Player “Clutch” Stats, with “Clutch” is defined as 4th quarter or overtime, less than 5 minutes left, neither team ahead by more than 5 points.

  • http://www.82games.com/1011/CSORT11.HTM OTB

    The link is on my name. He also came in #1 in 2009 and 2010 I believe. So yes, the stats do back him up. It’s only when you follow Henry Abbott’s definition of “clutch” being “last 24 seconds” that Bryant falls behind.

  • http://cnbc.com JTaylor21

    The way laker fans in general talk about PGasol is the same way they still to this day talk about Shaq. It seems like they are willing to say anything to downplay the impact his teammates have on recent laker’s success in order to inflate Kobe’s greatness. It’s quite ingenious of them.

  • http://nba.com GP23

    Why is it, that whatever Kobe does, he ALWAYS gets some sort of criticism for it????
    All of Kobe’s moves are immediately placed under suspicion and overanalyzed due to his history of questionable behavior. Even if he literally took a bullet for LeBron, and pushed Wade out of the way of a speeding car, there would be speculation on his motivations.

  • OTB

    @nbk – Kobe is averaging 6 apg..I’m not sure if you actually watch Laker games, but he kicks it out a lot. The only game this year where he played like absolute crap and didn’t pass was against the Nuggets. I even wrote on here after that it was absolutely horrendous of him…but he’s toned it down since then.

  • http://slamonline.com nbk

    See how these conversations only happen after the Lakers (Specifically Kobe) do really well? Isn’t that glaring evidence that y’all are overly emotional? We have been saying the same things about Kobe since Mike Brown got hired. Nothing has changed from what was said this summer. What has changed, Kobe made over 50% of his shots last night (for just the 4th time in 11 games) that’s what. It’s not something that happens regularly, so for every “i told you so” game there are almost 3 “why aren’t you saying anything” games.

  • http://www.twitter.com/nflem41 Nicolas Fleming

    Allen said it best. “Kobe is Kobe.” That’s it. That’s what happens. Some days you are going to love it, and other days you are going to want to throw a $4 million ring at his face. At the end of the day, he is a top 10 player in the history of the L and nothing you do, I do or he does is going to change that now.

  • Maniac

    No the entire NBA was not saying that. Those were the journalist idiots you choose to base your opinion off of. Anyone with an objective mind and actually watches the Laker games knows that Bynum doesn’t know how to handle double teams well yet and sometimes gets in position too late to command the ball with good time on the clock. As for Kobe’s shooting, he may be shooting too much… Probably. I can say with confidence though that the lakers would probably be in a worst position if Kobe weren’t being as aggressive.

  • OTB

    Who has downplayed Gasol’s importance? No one. But to claim he’s the most important player on the team is asinine.

  • http://cnbc.com JTaylor21

    Abbott’s focused strictly on shots taken during the final 24 seconds of a one or two point game.

  • http://slamonline.com nbk

    he is averaging (.3) (.3) (.3) more assists per 36 minutes then last season. while shooting 2 more shots. His passing is the same as Monta Ellis’ (actually he’s a little more selfish), it’s a last resort. Obviously this argument is never going to change anything with you, you have had big huge kobe ball sack goggles on your face since the first time you started commenting, his raw stats reflect that he is being less selfish then ever, so y’all use that as your evidence, when really, this is the most selfish he has played in the last 6 years, if not his whole entire career.

  • OTB

    First of all, unlike most of the Kobe-dislike brigade that parades around here everyday, I actually have watched Laker games this season. Has he been selfish some games? Yes. The Denver game in particular he literally was the sole reason the Lakers lost. Since then? Not so much. Kobe doesn’t force the issue often, and most of his shots have been within the flow of the offense. In fact, I’m more concerned with his turnovers and poor 3 point shooting than I am with his shot selection. As long as the Lakers are winning, and the bigs are getting their share, it really doesn’t matter.

  • http://slamonline.com nbk

    OTB Kobe came out 1st in Points Per 48 Minutes during Clutch Situations. He also comes out 1st in Field Goals Attempted Per 48 Minutes in Clutch Situations. There is a direct correlation.

  • http://slamonline.com nbk

    In reference to your point about 82 games. He wasn’t the best clutch player, he scored the most clutch points. big difference.

  • hybris

    Haters gonna hate, Kobe gonna ball. Same as always. Let the haters nitpick and dig up stats to prove their petty claims. You guys can pull up all the stats you’d like, but at the end of the day Kobe is a winner. Why that seems to bother so many people, who knows. It’s funny reading all the haters comments… Hate only proves he’s great.

  • Conor O.

    Primarily: JTaylor, you are a dunce; Secondarily: Kobe will slow his pace, post-Miami, so as not to delude his stamina, pre-Playoffs. He knows his limits, and he also knows Bynum’s. Remember that (general).

  • OTB

    The problem is, most of the guys who dislike Kobe just read the work of guys like Hollinger, Abbott, or Dwyer and worship what they say as being objective truths, when they are just as biased as any of the extreme “Kobe lovers” y’all love to pick on.

  • OTB

    My point in general is that he is in the clutch conversation – Abbott makes it seem like guys like Shawn Marion are better options based on his lists. Who would you rather take the shot in an isolation situation for the Lakers? Derek Fisher? Kobe is the only creator on that team.

  • http://slamonline.com Allenp

    I think Kobe shoots a lot.
    Some of you agree, some disagree. Many of you think him shooting a lot is justified and necessary.
    Somebody mentioned that Kobe is second to LeBron in scoring. Yet, that person neglected to mention that LeBron is shooting 59 percent from the field and taking 19 shots a game, while Kobe is shooting 46 percent from the field and taking nearly 24 shots. And taking 4 threes a game and making 18 percent of them.
    I just hate having discussions about Kobe or LeBron because everybody is so busy discussing their legacies you can’t have an honest discussion about the choices they are making in the moment.
    Bottom line, to me, Kobe is no longer in the triangle and is playing like he has a point to prove about what he can still do on offense. He’s shooting almost as many shots as Gasol and Bynum take combined.
    There may be downsides to passing to passing into the post, but ultimately it makes the game easier for everyone, and allows other players to develop their rhythm.
    (Also, to correct myself, Kobe is not going to shatter his shot total mark from the 35 ppg year, that was wrong. But he’s also averaging 4 turnovers a game, his second highest total in his career.)

  • http://slamonline.com Allenp

    And I don’t know about other cats, but I don’t read Hollinger, I skim Abbot and I don’t read Dwyer. I don’t even like advanced statistics that much.
    I mainly just watch games.
    I figured no minds would be changed during this discussion, but it seems like it’s not even going to be a productive sharing of opinions.

  • http://slamonline.com nbk

    OTB, I’m with you on that point about Abbot (although he admitted some of the guys that qualify should be ignored). Kobe is clearly the guy on LA who I want making the clutch decisions. But I don’t however think he is some otherworldly clutch performer. Somebody has too take and make (or miss) clutch shots. Kobe takes more then anyone in those situations, he better be at the top of the league when it comes to producing in them as well. If he wasn’t then there would be a huge problem.

  • http://www.alllooksame.com Tarzan Cooper

    He was just trying to make up for that game 7 against the suns in 06 (I think) where he took so few shots, and he obviously tanked it just to show he didn’t have scoring teammates. What a great leader

  • http://www.leaguelineup.com/welcome.asp?url=pawtucketymca Gametimeweezy

    Kobe is having a bounce back season for the ages, plus he’s going through a divorce. Trust me when he’s on the basketball court he’s Strictly Business. Focused.

  • http://averysmith.org Avery Smith

    And to think I turned from this game to the Warriors/Heat game. Oy.

  • http://slamonline.com LakeShow

    Nice comment there Allen. You actually seem objective… BTW, No one disagrees that Kobe shoots allot. It’s a fact that Kobe shoots allot. For some of us it’s part of why we like him. For others it’s why they hate him. Either way, it’s a fact, Kobe shoots allot. I have no problem with Kobe’s shooting right now. He will slow his roll and make sure Bynum and Gasol get there’s. He is just feeling young right now and is trying to take advantage of having hundreds of days of rest and surgery that worked.

  • http://slamonline.com Allenp

    I don’t dislike him for shooting a lot. Sometimes you’re paid to shoot. When you have a team that needs you to shoot a lot, that’s what you do.
    I get bothered by his shot selection more than his shot totals. And I don’t understand why he doesn’t see that his lack of trust in other players have impacts later. It’s just weird.

  • Ldub

    a few hours and 100 comments later Kobe still dropped 48 last night, shooting 18 of 31. Selfish? Idk if i would say that much. Trying to win? yes! Heres a question…if you were on a team, and knew that your teammates were struggling to get a groove (for that night), would you keep giving them the ball or take more shots yourself?
    I think no matter what a great star does, its always gonna be frowned upon, win or lose. People have been ready to write off KB is the best in the L and pass it to LBJ or KD. IMO this is Kobe’s way of saying im not done just yet. Granted it was on the SUNS who are not known for D, but still 48 is 48 on more than 50% shooting is outstanding. If that would have been Gasol, would the discussion be he is selfish or holy @#%&, pau just dropped 50?? Kobe was, is and always will be a scorer first. doesnt make him self, because if he wasnt, idk if he would have 5 rings.

  • http://slamonline.com nbk

    so LDub, Kobe’s teammates have been struggling every game of his career but game 7 against Phoenix in 2006? He didn’t shoot THAT many shots compared to normal last night. It was no more selfish then it usually is.

  • dsleepy

    i hope kobe does tear it up for the remainder of the year, but let’s not kid ourselves. it’s still very early in the season.

  • Dungeon Family

    Yo I find it so Funny That people Like @NBK and @JTaylor21 Hate Kobe but click on the post whenever they see his name.

    @nbk has left the most comments on this post

    @JTaylor21 is a Heat Fan…….worry about Lebron and his 4th quarter antics

  • http://slamonline.com LakeShow

    Allen. I agree. I would be stupid to not see that Kobe can be selfish and is not a “get the team going first and foremost” kind of guy. He isn’t. He is a shooter and a scorer. I would like to see him be more of a team player with out a doubt, but when he does his thing and you win you gotta give him that also. If they lost last night this would all be about how selfish Kobe is. Rightfully so. BUT they won. He had about 5 or 6 shots last night that I would say were ill advised. But honestly 6 shots out of 30 are bad ones isn’t so bad for a volume shooter. I do hope (and trust) that in the future KB will be getting his big fellas involved more. Just don’t expect Gasol or Bynum to get more than 20 shots in a game to often. They just won’t. You can strictly pack the lane so much. Gasol and Bynum both are still inconsistent offensively and defensively. You can’t say that about Bean. You can say his shot in inconsistent, but never his aggressiveness, mentality, and approach to the game.

  • Niyagirlfresh

    I love when he proves people wrong, people are so happy to see him fail and fall off. But everytime they think he does he goes and proves people wrong, it makes people mad lol. But he deserves credit with his injuries through his career and becoming of age and still being able to play like he does it’s time to let the hate go. He’s shooting the ball well(better than a lot of players who aren’t injured), I know people are going to find fault with it because all they see is “Aww man Kobe’s scoring again, OH NOES”!!! LOL. But he’s shooting well picking his spots and putting up points when we need him to. We don’t have a scorer on the perimeter who can take the load off of him so for now he has to be the scorer, the distributer, the passer etc. However this doesn’t need to become a habit, not only will it be bad for the team, but the wear and tear on his injuries, and legs will soon show. He started off hot last season and then cooled off dramatically so let’s just hope something gives but he’s able to maintain his ability to score but as well take some of the pressure off him, unfortunately as much as I love watching him crap in his critics faces I would rather them establish an offense that can help when us a title, Kobe ball doesn’t win titles.

  • http://slamonline.com nbk

    I don’t at all hate Kobe. I even have a kobe t-shirt on right now. And clearly you haven’t noticed, but Taylor and I (and the majority of people tht took part in this comment section) have an opinion about almost everything posted. Not just stuff about your man crush.

  • http://cnbc.com JTaylor21

    JTaylor is a heat fan? That is new news to JTaylor.

  • http://cnbc.com JTaylor21

    I’m what you would call a Kobe admirer. I even have a black mamba in my pants right now, well…I wouldn’t call it black more like lightskinned mamba.

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