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Wednesday, June 19th, 2013 at 9:00 am  |  185 responses

Heat Beat Spurs to Force Game 7 of the NBA Finals


by Marcel Mutoni @ marcel_mutoni

LeBron James called it by far the greatest game he’s ever been a part of. One would be hard-pressed to argue with him.

The Miami Heat stunned the San Antonio Spurs in Game 6 of the NBA Finals, forcing a do-or-die Game 7 for the championship with an incredible 103-100 overtime victory.

It took a heroic three-pointer from Ray Allen, Chris Bosh’s late-game blocks and rebounding, plus LeBron’s all-around brilliance in the fourth quarter for the Heat to escape with a win.

Per the AP:

LeBron James saved a championship reign, canceled a celebration. The toughest part now might be topping this performance in Game 7. “It’s by far the best game I’ve ever been a part of,” James said. He wouldn’t let the Miami Heat lose it — or their NBA title. If the San Antonio Spurs want that, they’ll have to fight just a little harder to get it. One last game, winner take all.

Losing his headband but keeping his cool while playing the entire second half and overtime, James finished with 32 points, 10 rebounds and 11 assists, making the go-ahead basket with 1:43 remaining in the extra period. So close to being eliminated that they noticed officials bringing yellow tape out to block off the court for the Spurs’ trophy presentation, the Heat hit a couple of big 3-pointers, got some defensive stops, and did everything else that makes great teams champions. “We seen the championship board already out there, the yellow tape. And you know, that’s why you play the game to the final buzzer,” James said. “And that’s what we did tonight. We gave it everything that we had and more.”

The Spurs were so very close to winning a championship last night, needing just a rebound or two late in the fourth quarter, but the Heat managed to hang on. San Antonio, devastated as they may be, must now somehow regroup and try to secure that extremely rare Game 7 victory on the road in the NBA Finals.

Miami Heat head coach Erik Spoelstra summed up what lies ahead nicely:

“They’re the best two words in sports: Game 7.”

Still, one can’t help but feel that Thursday night’s battle will have a hard time topping the Game 6 classic.

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  • http://www.netstakeover.com/ JetSkiJohnson

    fixed?

  • OfftheWall87

    Conspiracy theories coming. Some people must make a choice not to think at all.

  • OfftheWall87

    I feel no sympathy for the Heat fans who left early. Same fans who showed up during the regular season and some playoff games well into the 1st quarter.

  • Mvp23100

    Right ridiculous like you can create that outcome it’s only rigged when the Heat win

  • shockexchange

    One of the greatest playoff games of all time – several lead changes, highs and lows, unscripted drama. In the Shock Exchange’s opinion, it ranks close to Game 5 of the ’76 Finals between the Suns and Celtics when Gar Heard hit that 20 ft turnaround at the buzzer to force triple OT.

  • LP @ThisisEther

    Explain your theory.

  • Vince

    Reaaaaally looking forward to Game 7. This series will easily become a classic.I’m going to stick with the Spurs but damn, if the Heat win I’ll be celebrating for them too, great series with a lot of great plays and moments. Gotta love the NBA and Playoff basketball!

  • Max
  • Max

    Not even a chance…

  • Feez_22

    I’m not even sure the heat have die hard fans. Miami is a fairweather town. Frontrunning sports scene. if the team is winning, they will stick around. if they are losing even by 4 in the last min they will leave like they did last night which is pathetic.

    Also, if the team wins and then loses 2 straight years they will abandon them (see hurricanes, marlins). it is what it is with these horrible heat fans. i wish they would think back to their 15 win season from 2008 to their 3rd straight finals and would say “well damn… i should stick around and cheer for my team in the finals all the way through”.

  • Stepfan Raiford

    To many missed free throws and offensive rebounds/second chance points. I knew Manu wasn’t going to be able to produce the same game he had in Game 5 but sheesh he was terrible last night. Manu was a walking turnover. 20 seconds away from a title. smh I pray that Game 7 isn’t a let down, but I feel it might be. Lebron went super saiyan in the 4th once the headband came off. Props to him for stepping up like a great player is suppose to do.

  • Junior Taylor

    Can someone explain to me Eric Spoelstra’s rotations? I mean…The Birdman went from being MIA’s top guy off the bench through the 1st 3 rounds to waving towels with James Jones and Juwan Howard. It was obvious to those watching that LeBron plays better when surrounded by shooters and Wade is off the floor but for some strange reason Spo decided to put Wade back in after MIA got back into the game with Miller. I know that it’s hard for a coach to bench one of the team’s star player but the numbers don’t lie…Entire Series: MIA’s O-Rtg/D-Rtg with LBJ/Wade: 100.8/112.7 … MIA’s O-Rtg/D-Rtg with LBJ/NO Wade: 131.7/89.5

  • pposse

    thats what lebron did with 2 mins left in regulation?

  • Da-Meat-Hook

    Just wanted people’s opinions on a few plays last night. Foul or no foul?

    1) Leonard hitting Miller in the face with his extended off arm while yamming on him
    2) Lebron’s blocking foul on Leonard which lead to an and1.
    3) Lebron’s offensive foul while battling Parker for post position
    4) Ray Allen’s strip of Manu in OT
    5) Bosh’s last second block on Green

  • PatRileyistheMan

    1)Offensive foul on Leonard

    2) 50-50

    3) Flop, not a foul, should’ve been a no call

    4) Some contact, but pretty much identical to the no call strip Green had on LBJ’s fast break moments before; if one is not called, the other shouldn’t be either; and Manu traveled anyway.

    5) Totally clean. I know some will parrot Van Gundy’s oft-stated position that “they need to protect the shooters, give them space to come down,” which I agree with, but Green barely got off the ground he was stuffed so hard, and he was fading away, so where he was going to come down (if the block hadn’t happened — b/c again, he barely got off the ground) would’ve been no where near Bosh. Great clean defensive play by Bosh.

  • http://www.netstakeover.com/ JetSkiJohnson

    lmao i put a question mark people.

  • LP @ThisisEther

    I didn’t see anything wrong with these plays except for LeBrons offensive foul on parker……

  • Max

    You didn’t on the Ray Allen forces OT article.

  • http://www.netstakeover.com/ JetSkiJohnson

    so

  • bike

    Hard to beat that. Only thing that seemed somewhat puzzling was that stretch in the 4th where the Spurs dropped the clog a land defense that worked so well against LeBron all series. You could see LeBron’s headbandless unbridled rim attack coming a mile away.

  • bike

    ‘lane’ not ‘land’

  • OfftheWall87

    16 points on 7-11 before those last 2 minutes without Bosh and Wade on the floor. Picking out those last 2 minutes without bringing up the previous 10 is just lazy.

  • OfftheWall87

    Duncan may not have enough to get it done tomorrow night. A lot of minutes. A lot of work.

  • http://www.netstakeover.com/ JetSkiJohnson

    But?

  • Markus437

    This, lakers vs celtics game 7 of the 2010 finals and the triple overtime game between the celtics and bulls in 2009 have to be the 3 best games I’ve ever seen in the last 5 years, with this one being the best. Funny how Ray Allen was a big part of all three

  • Dagger

    A few observations from an insane game:

    1. Lebron can credibly defend Parker. Parker will get points, and his lateral movement is too quick for anyone to handle by themselves, but more often than not Lebron can force him into low percentage shots. That three by Parker was huge, but it was also basically a miracle. Putting Lebron on Parker for long stretches rather than short spurts changed the complexion of the game, and possibly the series.

    2. As abysmal as Bosh was in the first half, he was that good in the clutch. Really, he’s been a dependable clutch player for years – even in Toronto – but rarely gets enough credit. Without Bosh, the Heat lose that game. Too bad everyone will only talk about Allen and Lebron today.

    3. For three straight finals, Lebron’s otherwise great shot has betrayed him. The most likely culprit is not psychological but physiological: when you’re exhausted one of the first things to go is your jumper. For two straight finals he’s found ways to score anyway, especially when it counts. There was a feeling in this game that the dam of Diaw would break eventually, and when it did it was catastrophic. Lebron is now averaging 23/11/8 for the series (if I remember correctly). That he’s been criticized for under-performing speaks to how unfairly high our expectations have become.

    4. Pop is getting a ton of blame for this loss, most of it unfair. Most of his substitutions were hardly confusing. The Heat needed threes at the end of the game; the Spurs needed to defend shooters. Only in hindsight was it foolish to leave Duncan on the bench. It’s the same criticism Vogel got when he sat Hibbert: it was a solid tactical decision, but the informed ripped it to shreds after.

  • Dagger

    Even lazier: forgetting that the game is played on both ends of the court. Lebron was huge on defense.

    And oh, that three in the final 30 seconds was pretty big, too.

  • Slick Ric

    Shhhh……Dont say anything bad about Lebron, lets stick with the narrative of him completely taking over the game.

  • Stepfan Raiford

    That’s what I’m thinking. He emptied the tank last night trying to seal the series.

  • pposse

    right that same defense that put lebron as an eyeball witness to Tony Parkers three point splash with 1 minute was excellent defense. But yall don’t want to talk about Lebron guarding premiere pg’s unless he’s shutting them down.

    You mean that three pointer he made after bricking that first attempt so badly? Yeah that was big, too bad he thought he was playing with house money at that point; and i dont need to be a certified psychologist to see that or determine that. That was written on his face.

  • pposse

    And what was Lebron doing before the 4th? Bricking layups? Looking scared and not willing to shoot wide open 18 footers? Whats lazier the ten mins i didnt mention or the 38 mins you didn’t mention?

  • Bandwagonfan

    i know. Because of his game today, now i hate lebron. And i think we can be friend. U know, mutual hate

  • Markus437

    The Super Saiyan thing was exactly what I thought once the headband came off haha

  • speedy

    The triple double in a game 6 of the finals you didn’t mention.
    But hey .. hate on ;-) .

  • pposse

    oh gawd, if you don’t slurp on someone then its hating. No objectivity anymore. You can’t admit that Lebron looked and played scared the last 2 minutes of the game?

  • speedy

    And what was Lebron doing before the 4th?
    That was your question. Objective or what?

    Kobe game seven of his last finals did shoot the lights out and played bad, doesn’t take anything away from his overall performance.
    One will always find something to hate about a players game.

  • LP @ThisisEther

    You’re right. Somethings up…

  • Stepfan Raiford

    I admit 3-12 in the first three quarters. Body language was bad and he played tight, but in he stepped up in the 4th. It’s not how many you score (16 pts in the 4th I believe) but it’s when you score them.

  • pposse

    he did very good in the 4th, but when Tony Parker hit the three on him, he completely shut down again.

  • pposse

    I’m from America, free country, you free to answer whatever question i ask or anyone asks. I see you have elected not to answer the last question i asked; but its all good.

  • RayJr

    I almost went to the movies thinking the Spurs had the W going into the 4th. Good thing I didn’t miss out because I would be feeling like someone who went to the game and left early…STUPID…too soon?

  • pposse

    1. How can you tell if Lebron can ‘credibly’ guard Parker. Parker is injured, this is easily seen by the crazy sub pattern Pop has him in right now. If Parker is given room, he will raise up and shoot the three on you, unlike the man that has been guarding him.

    3. LBJ was missing layups, check his fg% and especially check his 0-10 ft percentage in this series. My theory, is Lebron lost a step. He doesnt blow by you and dunk on you anymore. Case in point when he got denied by Hibbert. There was also this one play in game 6 yesterday where it looked like he could have dunked the ball but instead jumped off two feet and completely bricked the layup.

    4. In order to secure a good defensive possession you need to get a rebound. Duncan should have been in the game, no hindsight involved.

  • speedy

    Stop that America home of the free sh##.

    You can talk looks if you want. Maybe he was insecure about throwing a whole season and playoffrun away in these two minutes I don’t know. What I do see is a stat line, that says ‘Heat would be nowhere near game seven without this dude’.
    Now you are free to talk about how he looked in these two minutes again.

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    1) Good no call

    2) Could have gone either way

    3) Parker flopped – but he did technically get fouled, so, either way again.

    4) Good no call, Manu maybe got fouled, but that was just a bad decision. Either way would have been fine again.

    5) That was a clean block.

  • Dagger

    Yes. Lebron’s defense on that three-pointer was excellent. Parker just hit a remarkable shot. Sometimes great (and fortunate) offense overcomes great defense. You evaluate the process, not necessarily the result.

  • pposse

    he was playing him for the drive then got burnt when he raised up over him. How is that good defense. He gave him way too much space.

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    i cannot even attempt to explain what either coach was doing last night.

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    yeah, the ref nailed that three from the corner with 5 seconds left, remember?

  • shockexchange

    1) Could have gone either way. Leonard clearly gained an advantage, however.
    2) Either a charge or a “no call.” Leonard gained a slight advantage with his off hand again. The refs would have been better off letting the players decide.
    3) The Shock Exchange missed that play.

    4) A great “no call.” Manu had no idea where he was going and was trying to hurl himself into the scrum, looking for a foul. The Heat baited him into driving into traffic knowing he would never get that call (i) on the road or (ii) at that stage of the game.
    5) Clean block.

  • Max

    lmao..
    Don’t you think they would’ve put Miami in better shape at the end of the game if it would be fixed?
    Manu and Kawhi had a chance to ice it.
    Bron missed, they got a rebound, they made a three.
    Bron missed again, they got another rebound off a good bounce and hit another three.
    Sure that’s fixed..

  • Max

    You seem to be thinking it is fixed, which your last comment showed..

  • Max

    -__-

  • Max

    I don’t even know why people question Bosh’ block on DG. He clearly got all ball and didn’t hit him.

  • Dagger

    Here’s what actually happened:

    Parker tried to use a pick. Lebron stayed with him by going over the pick (who was really already rolling to the net, but okay).

    Parker then tried to iso and drive to the net. Parker’s speed/lateral quickness do not seem hampered by his injury. Very few players would have been able to stay with him, but Lebron cut off the drive.

    Parker then retreated and attempted a fade-away three. That is a huge win for the defense, because Parker makes only about 35% of his threes, and desperation fade-away threes are, of course, even harder. I mean, look at this shot chart (probably not updated since last night, but still useful): http://vorped.com/bball/index.php/player/shotchart/1134-Tony-Parker/season/2012-2013-POST. Where would you want Parker shooting from?

    Lebron contested the shot well, but Parker happened to hit the three. Parker’s clutch: the shot was maybe a 15% proposition, as Zach Lowe put it. Still, it was great defense not only by Lebron, but by his teammates. That’s exactly what made the shot so impressive in the first place.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bdV0XsrWl8g

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    he just doesn’t like LeBron. Rationality and Logic are irrelevant to pposse’s campaign. just let him rant or whatever, you aren’t going to actually stop him by being intelligent.

  • OfftheWall87

    When people talk about the full game, the fact is he had 32 points, 10 rebounds and 11 assists. Without Wade and Bosh on the floor and while doing a great job on Tony Parker, he carried them offensively. No one is going to sit back and talk about 2 minutes at the end of regulation unless they’re looking for things to nitpick on which is what you’re doing. Look at the full game. He put in the best quarter of basketball he’s ever played in the Finals.

  • pposse

    yes lebron played awesome last minute of the game. Those two turnovers that none of yall are mentioning was fabulous. Those three pointers…spectacular.

  • OfftheWall87

    Yes because Tony Parker is a sniper of a 3 point shooter which is why no one plays him for the drive.

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    UH-OH,
    .
    Manu on Game 7: “I have no clue how we’re going to be re-energized. I’m devastated.”

  • OfftheWall87

    No, it’s the fact that the man put up 32, 10 and 11 in a win and you’re on here talking about 2 turnovers.

  • pposse

    that aint nit picking; players can create defining moments for themselves. Too often Lebron’s have only been on the defensive end and not enough offensively.

    I can sit here and just list shot after shot MJ made in the finals alone..not even mentioning the playoffs. That’s what I expect from him so what, do something remotely like one of the things MJ did. Otherwise step off, Tony Parker had those moves twice so far in the playoffs its a shame they didn’t win game 6 the step back 3 was a thing of beauty.

  • pposse

    cause despite the triple double Lebron damn near gave the game away with the 2 turnovers, bricked three point attempts. Ray Ray saved the day! It should be the other way around.

    That game was decided in the last minute, stats prior mean nothing.

  • OfftheWall87

    So Parker is injured which is why LeBron has been able to guard him? If the Heat had lost and someone mentioned Wade being injured, chances are great people would say it’s just an excuse.

    Did you not see him almost hit his head on the rim catching that alley oop in Game 7 against the Pacers? So he lost the step sometime during the last 2 weeks? Do you think about things before you type them or no? Did he not blow by people in rounds 1 and 2 and dunk? The Spurs are packing the paint meaning he’s not getting to the rim to dunk. It’s not because he can’t do it anymore. Defense isn’t allowing him to do so.

  • bike

    Considering the nature of the game, I would give both coaches a pass on decisions. Put yourself in their shoes and imagine trying to process 100 different decisions in about a minute.

  • OfftheWall87

    What part of 32 points don’t you get? When people score points, they call that offense. If 32 points isn’t enough then you’re a sad case.

    How many times must this be said? Not every player has to be like Jordan to be considered great. It is complete foolishness for people to keep using him as the only standard when there was a league before he arrived. You sound extremely ignorant holding that standard over LeBron because when he gets it done in a different way than Jordan did, here you are saying it’s not good enough only because he didn’t do it the way Jordan did.

  • speedy

    These two minutes were awful, there is nobody, that says he played great in these two minutes. But still you try so hard, to find someting bad about his game, that you make yourself look stu….
    Nice to see, that he is human.

  • OfftheWall87

    Would have been no game to give away if not for his 16 points in that fourth quarter. The exclamation point makes you really sound like a hater here. That word is overused but you’re a perfect example of it.

  • speedy

    RIDICULOUS. This last shot means sh’t if LeBron wouldn’t have performed like He did.

  • http://www.netstakeover.com/ JetSkiJohnson

    missed on purpose?

  • pposse

    finally someone on here that admitted LBJ played awful the final two mins. My work here is done, thank you Bike.

  • OfftheWall87

    Dude, no one said he played well during those 2 minutes. Your work isn’t done because bike sees, like we all see, what your angle is here. He told you that no one has said that LeBron didn’t have a bad 2 minutes at the end of regulation. But it’s stupid to focus on that more than the previous 10 minutes of that quarter. Your angle isn’t to talk about the full game. It’s just to discuss what he didn’t do well instead of focusing on the part of the game where he performed great which put his team in a position to win. You’re here to harp on a bad 2 minutes instead of a great full game of work. It’s obvious.

  • speedy

    I admit, that you don’t recognize game, and that LeBron kept the Heat in the game with a great performance, he made some mistakes in the closing seconds, when he was exhausted. Nothing else.

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    oh no he made mistakes! he’s lost a step! let’s act like those 2 minutes are the whole game! this is the finals, he’s the worst superstar ever, by not being completely perfect in the finals.
    .
    he is the reason they had a chance to win that game. 2 turnovers in the last minute are not more important than the 18 points in the previous 9 minutes that he put up.
    .
    And let’s make excuses for the things he did do well, while we overreact about the things he messed up. That doesn’t make anyone look irrational and stupid at all.

  • OfftheWall87

    …Because in the 4th quarter, that’s what he really did.

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    Parker hit a fadeaway 3. you are a moron if you think that was anything but a great shot by Parker.

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    nobody claimed he did play well in the final two minutes. you just took on a cause that needed no advocate….good job.

  • Max

    Sure..

  • Max

    Like Manu said they were is a good spot, and gave the Heat another chance, isn’t it normal he’s devastated (especially after how he played).
    I don’t think you should look too much into what he said.
    http://www.nba.com/video/channels/playoffs/2013/06/19/20130618-postgame-ginobili.nba/index.html

  • pposse

    see..look at you..even when you want to “admit” anything you paraphrase it with “when he was exhausted” sound like a cop out to me.

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    “I have no clue how we’re going to be re-energized.”
    .
    i shouldn’t look into that? why? i’m not focusing on him being devastated i couldn’t care less about that part actually.

  • pposse

    okay so then why is no one talking about the last two minutes and the way Bron played but me? Perhaps enlighten the world with what he done wrong, what could have been done better. If relying on luck to win the most important game of your life is the solution, then there is a major problem.

  • pposse

    exactly no one is saying anything about those 2 mins but a select few when it could and probably should be a point of discussion.

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    uhm, rely on luck? what about the rest of the game that you are purposefully not talking about? basketball games are 48 minutes, not 2 minutes.
    .
    what purpose does it do, to focus on what might have happened, partially as a result of the last 2 minutes? really, what are you accomplishing? you just seem asshurt for no real reason, you realize that right?

  • pposse

    thats stupid logic, how do you know someone else won’t step up if Lebron doesn’t hit 16 points in the quarter? In game 5 Ray Allen had 18 in the 4qtr if i am not mistaken. Lebron James number was ON just like in a craps game, that’s why you keep giving him the rock. If it wasn’t him it would have been someone else.

  • OfftheWall87

    You’re making it your only point of discussion as if it’s the only thing that happened.

  • pposse

    its nice to know your world revolves around you. Why do i care or how in the universe do i see your picture of me at any given moment?

    Yeah the previous 3 qtrs Lebron wasn’t getting it done. The last quarter for the first ten mins he was. He and the Heat were let off the hook; fact remains the Spurs lost that game, Heat didn’t win it.

  • OfftheWall87

    …It’s what actually happened. Throw your what ifs away because they mean nothing here. What really happened is he scored 16 points and put his team in a position to win the game. It’s a stupid question asking how do I know no one else would have stepped up. What I do know is what really happened. That’s all that matters. Not your “what if” scenarios that you’ve dreamed up.

  • speedy

    32 Points, eleven assists So he was involved in 56 points of Miami’s 103 points.
    Dude you will never understand and you will always hate. Go on.

  • pposse

    what happened was the Spurs lost that game, the Heat didn’t win it like yall believe. The Heat took the W, only because grave mistakes were made by SA.

  • OfftheWall87

    People should stop making those statements. Those “They didn’t win it, the other team just lost it” comments are ridiculous. It is complete stupidity. Obviously if one team lost, that means the other team did something to win. If a team misses shots or turns the ball over, the opposing team has to make shots and not turn the ball over.

  • OfftheWall87

    It’s not about belief dude. We watched the game. Beliefs are what people have when they can’t prove something or don’t know for sure about the existence of something. But we actually saw what happened. You talk as if you only saw 2 minutes. Everyone else watched the full game.

  • pposse

    you may not like it, but thats what happened last night lol

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    i asked you what purpose it does to focus on what might have happened, just answer the question…it has nothing to do with me at all.
    .
    seems like the Heat won, and the Spurs lost……both things are co-dependant.

  • speedy

    We are talking about those two minutes the whole time, what you don’t get is, that we are also talking about the other minutes of the game and a !!triple double!!

  • LakeShow

    Co-Sign. His speech gets a little lost in translation usually.

    If Duncan or Tony said this i’d be surprised, but Manu has always had a flair for the dramatic.

  • speedy

    Really??? ;-)

  • pposse

    you kno damn well what i mean and if you of all people haven’t heard an argument like that before then you probably suffer from alzheimers or have a severe case of amnesia. If you don’t see that as a valid argument then that’s your problem too.

    The spurs lost that game, stop trying to flip it like Lebron saved the day.

  • Max

    He doesn’t know how, but they as a whole will find a way.

  • BugEyes

    Lol couldn’t agree more

  • pposse

    There are zero bigs out on the floor for both teams. It should be easy for Lebron to get 10 plus rebounds. Plus he’s got 4 shooters surrounding him at all times, it shouldnt be too damn difficult to get 10 assists either. The ppg, fg%, and efficiency is the problem.

  • Max

    Haha his on court dramatics are as good as his off court performance.

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    actually LeBron saved the day for a stretch of time. Then the day got away.
    .
    then Ray saved the day.
    .
    then Chris Bosh won the day in overtime.
    .
    i am not confused with what happened, i understand that LeBron led them back, and then was a big part of why they almost lost it.
    .
    and no, that isn’ta valid argument. it doesn’t prove anything, nobody is arguing with you about what actually happened. only that you are being stupid for only focusing on 2 minutes, like you have some magical powers of observation that the rest of us don’t.
    .
    we know LeBron almost lost them the game at the end.
    .
    but he didn’t.
    .
    if your mom almost swallowed you, would we consider the 9 months after she didn’t, and the life that led you to this keyboard completely irrelevant? or nah?

  • speedy

    You are talking about stupid logic and then bring up this point??? Stop it. You are going from stupid mode straight into retarted mode.

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    huh? i don’t think you can just find a way around science. they are 30+ years old, and just gave an incredibly taxing effort. Tim Duncan put up 25 points in one damn half. i think it makes sense to question their energy level going into game 7. Especially after being up 4 with 12 seconds left.

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    so it took until the very last game of the season for my predicted issue for San Antonio going into the playoffs to rear its ugly head……

  • The Philosopher

    It is Russell Westbrook’s fault…

  • Da-Meat-Hook

    Agreed. The block was clean. Van Gundy among others argued that he got him with the body.

  • speedy

    Really???
    So he didn’t make all of his shots and he had turnovers.

    You are right, no other great player before him didn’t hit every shot he attempted or had turnovers, or a situation, where his teammates had to bail him out.

  • Durantulasattack

    A lot of Rose slurpers are really jealous that as long as Lebron is in his prime, their guy will always play third fiddle to him and Durant. They yearn for the day Bron declines so that their guy can climb to number two.

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    it sure is my friend.

  • pposse

    those two minutes were about to define a career until Ray Ray saved the day.

    If your momma aborted you like my Grandpa told her to do then i wouldn’t be considered your uncle young nephew; unfortunately the stupid ho didn’t listen, so here we are, typing and communicating just like an uncle and nephew should be.

  • Max

    The Heat also had to give alot of effort by coming back(altho that was mostly just Lebron), at this point everybody’s energy level is going to be down.

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    “those two minutes were about to define a career until Ray Ray saved the day.”
    .
    yeah, those two minutes were going to define the career of a 28 year old, 4-time MVP with a championship ring? really?
    .
    you are a moron.

  • pposse

    2 championship losses in your prime? Yes; dont be ignorant.

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    and LeBron is 28 years old. Tim Duncan is 37.
    .
    Tim Duncan has been on this earth for 3,000 more days than LeBron. i think it makes sense to assume he’ll recover slower.
    .
    oh, and Tony Parker is hurt. He was so tired last night that Popovich sat him with Duncan in the 4th quarter.

  • The Philosopher

    It was an act of loyalty.

  • Junior Taylor

    Mind telling us what that issue is again?

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    sure, tell me how that has defined Wilt Chamberlain’s legacy…

    how about Jerry West, he lost in the finals 8 times, 6 of which were in his prime.

    .

    wanna tell me about Magic Johnson? he’s been SWEPT out of the finals, TWICE.

    .

    wanna define Oscar Robertson’s career based on failures?

    .
    man, how about Kobe, wanna do that for me?
    .
    the only player in history who is even kind of defined by their failures is Elgin Baylor.
    .
    who still happens to be on everyone’s list of the top 15 players ever.
    .
    So, you were saying?

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    Fatigue.
    .
    Namely, other teams wearing them out.

  • The Philosopher

    Also, I ponder that there is friction in the Heat locker room.
    Between Wade and The King.

  • Max

    Tony also said he body was cramping a little bit.
    DWade is also hurt,
    Yes he’ll recover slower, but he will recover, it’s not like he did so much different in the first half then he normally does, his shots just finally were dropping (including 3 very difficult shots), which they weren’t up untill this point.

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    the game is tomorrow. recovering slow is the problem.

  • Max

    http://watch.nba.com/nba/video/channels/playoffs/2013/06/19/20130618-postgame-lebron-ray.nba?cat=catId%3A54
    After the swithc from Bron to Ray sound slike Lebron is apologizing for something.

  • Max

    You think he won’t be able to come in at a high level and produce in game 7?

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    no matter what happens, Wade needs to stop taking possessions away from James at the end of games. Friction or not.

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    Tim Duncan? I think he’ll put up <15 and 20 and >12. Depends on what you considering high level and produce. 15 and 12 is a high level, and that is production. But I don’t think it’s enough.
    .
    And enough is all that matters right now.

  • speedy

    You are talking about ignorance. LOL

    So what? He isn’t playing one on one for his championships.

    MVP is telling you something about a players skills.

    Titles tell you how good the player, his team, the coaches, the system was he played on.

  • The Philosopher

    I agree with you.
    The King looked out of his element for at least, a moment. On the sidelines, one can almost read his mind…
    BUT, they responded to adversity.
    Fate and destiny.

  • Max

    I think somewhere around 15 and 12 is enough if Manu and/or Green step up again seeing as how they were up 3-2 with Timmy getting 16 and 11.
    We’ll see what happens tomorrow/Friday.

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    ehh, i think the Green magic is dead. and Manu already used his great performance. the chances of the Spurs winning as far as i can tell rely on Duncan dominating the paint, and Parker scoring at will.
    .
    the Heat going into a game as confident as they are about to be, only way to beat that is with some really really transcendent performances.
    .
    Home teams who won a game 6 to force a game 7 are undefeated in the finals. Game 6 was the game to win. The Spurs knew this.

  • OfftheWall87

    The Heat won the game…which is why there’s another game tomorrow. The Spurs lost it and the Heat won it. That’s what happened. Not the Spurs just lost, the Heat didn’t win. Gotta be an extremely foolish person to see it that way.

  • Max

    Yeh they blew this one, they had the perfect game to get this over with but failed to capitalize on it. Here’s me hoping they will tomorrow.

  • Slick Ric

    Cant stand these Rose slurpers….nor the lebron ones who cant stand when a person speaks the truth. He was great in the beginning of the fourth quarter but when parker made some big shots and put that pressure on him, he was throwing bricks and turnovers down the stretch…its the truth. If this was Kobe though, You all would of taken notice of it.

  • http://www.offthebackboard.wordpress.com/ Off The Backboard

    I don’t know about “confident as they can be”. They were shaky for 3.5 quarters, and it took some mental lapses from a coaching standpoint (subbing out Duncan with Bosh still on the floor) for the Heat to pull off the win.

    The Spurs are going to be a really tough out regardless. The only weak link from Game 6 was Manu. He was horrendous. TP can bounce back (unless Lebron is on him consistently), but the guy that needs to do well for the Spurs is Ginobili and/or Green.

    Manu has always been one of favourite players to watch but he literally threw that game away for the Spurs; just baffled that Pop kept him in the game for as long as he did.

    I agree with you on the “Game 6 was the game to win”. The energy of the game, even from the TV, felt like the Spurs knew this. They didn’t want it to go to 7, but now they have no choice but to lay it all out one more time, however old they are.

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    those 3.5 quarters are just as irrelevant as the 3.5 quarters in game 4, before game 5 against Oklahoma City were last year. http://www.sbnation.com/nba/2012/6/19/3098487/thunder-vs-heat-nba-finals-2012-score

  • Saleem Rainman

    he clearly said “im sorry man, im sorry” yeah.

  • pposse

    dude he plays with two guys who signed 110 million dollar deals, all sorts of former all stars, the best 3 pt shooter ever, just stop.

    The player and his team are at the top of the totem pole, thats the best team ever put together in the modern day (past 15 yrs). Sure the system and the coach may be an issue; but is it? I read these posts, seems like most of yall think Spo is a top rated coach in the L too.

    So what? Losing when you are the best player on the best team with a top notch coach and a so so system has an impact on your career; a negative impact.

  • http://www.offthebackboard.wordpress.com/ Off The Backboard

    Yeah, that was a confusing strategy. They went from swarming the lane to have Ginobili/Diaw guarding him one on one with Duncan on the bench. Just wierd decisions by Pop in the 4th.

  • pposse

    Lebron is supposed to go down as the second best baller ever, if not the best; don’t get it twisted. Just cause that may not be how your list is at the moment does not mean you should sit around and stand ignorant. IF Kobe wins those two championships does that put him in legit top 10 comparisons? Hell that puts him in top 5 comparisons…do not be naive NBK just cause you dig the efficiency stats does not mean he would not be widely considered a top 5 all time baller maybe even second best.

    If Wilt was the one winning 8 championships in a row, he would be known as the best player ever, but did he do that? As it stands, one Michael Jordan a guy with inferior stats but better winning percentages is known as the best ever. Ignorance is bliss it truly is.

    As I was saying, WINNING is the most important thing. Not efficiency, not PER, not any of that when it comes to legacy. It comes down to winning.

  • http://www.slamonline.com/ Megatron

    This comment is so ridiculous. Your actually discrediting Lebron’s achievement because if Lebron hadn’t actually done it there is a small chance someone else would have. I don’t even understand how you can try to pass that off as logic.

  • pposse

    i dont think i ever believed in fate and destiny more than last night haha.

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    LeBron is supposed to go down as the second best player ever? What? That doesn’t even make sense. Nobody is “supposed” to be anything but the best player in the league at some point while he was playing. Which happened. .
    Kobe is in the top 10 conversation.

    .
    I’m not being naive, I’m just not making assumptions about a thing that is not defined until a guy retires. .
    Yeah, if Wilt won more, his legacy would be different. But he didn’t, and still isn’t defined by it. .
    Nobody said winning wasn’t the most important thing at any point. And you are focusing on a 2 minute stretch, in a game they won. So no, that isn’t what you are saying. It’s not even related.

  • KingBenjamin

    Still in shock that the Spurs lost after being up by 5 with 28 secs remaining and having a 98% chance of winning at the point.

    This is the worst loss in NBA Finals history, I don’t think any team can regroup after such a devastating defeat, even with the great Popovich and Duncan.

    History is also not on their side, of 17 game 7s in Finals history, 14 have been won by the home team, the last away team to win it was in 1978.

    The Spurs have no chance of winning, no matter how bad I want them to win. I’m willing to bet every dollar to my name that the Heat will blow the Spurs out by 30+ points.

  • KingBenjamin

    LeBron lost a step? Are you serious?

  • http://www.slamonline.com/ Megatron

    This is a perfect example of how you aren’t nearly as close to being objective as you say you are. You can’t just create an excuse for every good thing Lebron does. Not many players have the skill-set to be able to grab 10 boards and dish out 10 assists with regularity but you discredit it because you think it “should” happen; therefore completely ignoring its impact.

  • The Philosopher

    Just, think about it. What transpired in Game 6, the truly great players have those types of moments, frequently. Kobe has had them, Jordan, Bird, Magic, Kareem.

    All of them.
    When Jordan performed in Game 6 against Utah, he was having a rough go at it. But when the light would shine at its hottest, there was Michael Jordan.

    It was his destiny. It was Utah’s fate.
    It was The King’s destiny last night.
    The Championship is his (theirs) to lose. Everything is in perfect position, right now.

  • pposse

    Oh so Kobe is in your top ten now?

    Would he not be top 5 with two more rings? Half of your argument against Kobe would be dead if they beat the Pistons.

    I’m telling you Ray Allen saved his a$$ cause bron sure as hell didn’t do anything to help himself the last two mins of the game. They won, its over, bron’s legacy will still be thought of in the same light it was the day before yesterday.

  • http://www.offthebackboard.wordpress.com/ Off The Backboard

    What I meant to say was – I think if this series has shown us anything, it’s that confidence going into the game based on the previous game’s results means very little. None of the games have built from the momentum gained in the previous one.

  • speedy

    Then lets talk about the Lakers.
    Nonsense.

  • pposse

    If i give you $1 people do not say that OfftheWall87 took $1 from pposse, cause i gave you that. If you robbed me or beat me up and took $1 from me, then you took $1 from me, i didn’t give you anything.

    The Spurs lost the game, don’t try and make this to be something that it wasn’t. With all this Lebron domination narrative shits too funny.

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    A title against Detroit wouldn’t have changed anything. And I have Kobe as top 10 “best” ever, and right around #10 in the greatest conversation. A title on 08, or 2011 would have tho.
    .
    LeBron’s legacy is what it is the day he retires. He is not losing legacy points by losing in the finals this year unless you already put him in the MJ conversation…..
    .
    Now, in your opinion, are you saying LeBron is already in that conversation?

  • pposse

    Lebron is the second tallest player on his team, the tallest at some points in the game. The spurs are small, if you were the coach of the Heat would you not tell Lebron that he needs to average around that mark for rebounds?

    I’m not trying to take away from him, but he plays with 3 point snipers. 5 assists in the first quarter and three of those was in a 3 minute span. Seriously is Lebron the one getting the guys open and shooting the ball for them too? He plays with ‘exceptionally more talent than the rest of the L’ as one likes to put it. Any one of the Heat players can make 5 plus three pointers in a single game. I’d be more impressed if he was racking up the assists getting people cutting to the basket; thats not the case.

  • pposse

    go ahead talk about them and their failures! be my guest, they jagged too!

  • pposse

    I been said he’s the second best baller i’ve seen play with my eyes behind only Jordan.

    The problem for me is, ever since I came to this realization, he has done more things that puts him down with the rest of the pack instead of elevating himself to the top of the hill.

  • pposse

    yeah but ‘Karl Malone’ was happening to Lebron while Tony Parker was channeling his inner ‘Michael Jordan’. I would love to see a blown up picture of the crowd behind the backboard when Tony Parker hit the three – only if the Spurs actually won the game.

    How the role reversal happened in 28 seconds is mind boggling. I still don’t get it.

  • pposse

    well i dont know for sure or not, but its not like there hasn’t been discussion on this ever. Seriously, along the time he went to the Heat haven’t you seen a lesser amount of dunks he gets off the dribble in a half court set? Its just a theory, no concrete evidence just circumstatial.

  • The Philosopher

    Fate.
    And destiny.
    The laws of the universe.
    Star alignment.
    It is real.

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    so you are kind of arguing with yourself? it seemed like you were trying to prove something to everyone else……

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    sure but this series also hasn’t featured a game remotely close to game 6 either.

  • Caboose

    But Kobe hasn’t lost any steps right?

  • Caboose

    Pay me $5mil a year and see how fast I process.

  • OfftheWall87

    Horrible analogy. Has absolutely no relation to a game where two teams are competing. Let me help you. No analogy really needs to be made. It’s so very simple. If we were having a free throw shooting contest and we both made 9, it took 10 to win, you missed your last one and I made mine and won, no one would say you just lost it, I didn’t win it. The Heat made less mistakes when it mattered. They won.

  • Whoareyou

    Even if your superstar is having an off night, playoffs, injured or whatever you gotta play your best players in the last few minutes, it’s what you pay those household names for.

  • Whoareyou

    It’s only natural to lose a step athletically from 18 to 28. So yes, he’s lost a step maybe in his vert. But is he still the most athletic player in the game since he was drafted in 03? Yup. Will he still be the next 4 years? Yup.

  • RayJr

    Heat are the heavy favorites now but if there is anything positive you can take from last night’s game and into Game 7 is that anything can happen.

  • robb

    You forgot another thing: Manu f*cking sucked and his turnovers happened at the worst times possible.

  • pposse

    Hey hey Ca-Boo-Boo who is talking about Kobe? Is that your boy? That guy is like 35 yrs old he lost three steps by now.

  • Dagger

    That vertical is still as ridiculous as ever: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hNFfuI4W1TU

  • Dagger

    Of course that wouldn’t have anything to do with him improving his jumper or playing with Wade, right?

  • pposse

    no i dont think its the vertical just that quick initial burst of speed.

  • pposse

    your convincing me i gotta look into this

  • pposse

    i still think he is mentally weak; until he gives that one play in the waning moments of the game on the offensive end, then i’ll stop for good – during the playoffs ofcourse. Who knows it could be tomorrow; he might just drop a cool 40 or 50 hit a big time shot.

    But yeah most of the commentary i make on lebron is about how he is futhering himself from #1all time instead of climbing towards there so i guess its like arguing with myself lol.

  • Mike From Spain

    I started reading Slam as a certified Lebron hater two years ago, and it is comments like this one that made me rethink the whole thing… I still don’t root for him but it’d be stupid not to recognize he had a big game

  • RKJ92

    Pposse: Lebron lost a step. He doesnt blow by you and dunk on you anymore.

    KingBenjamin: LeBron lost a step? Are you serious?

    Pposse: Well i dont know for sure or not, but its not like there hasn’t been discussion on this ever. Seriously, along the time he went to the Heat haven’t you seen a lesser amount of dunks he gets off the dribble in a half court set?
    Genius… lol
    Then you act like your making it a theory amungst basketball heads, when your really only convincing yourself..
    This is comical.

  • RKJ92

    Goddamn your dumb.. a veritcal is a mix of speed, and fast twitch muscle fibers, and you actually used that as your response to @ddegroot:disqus LOL

  • initbruv

    pposse, you seem like a nice young fella but you say some asinine things sometimes.

  • OfftheWall87

    Who says a guy has lost a step and then says “Well I don’t know for sure or not”? And then basically says “Well I’ve heard people talking about it”? Come on man lol

  • OfftheWall87

    Chris Bosh, Birdman, Rashard Lewis, Joel Anthony…all taller than LeBron. Definitely not the 2nd tallest player on the team.

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    Game 6 against Boston last year wasn’t enough?
    .
    Sh*t what about the entire Orlando series in 09? He did put up ridiculous numbers, hit one game winner. And hit another late clock shot to force an overtime in game 6. That kinda fits what you are asking for. His teammates were just awful, really really awful.
    .
    What about the Oklahoma Series last year? He destroyed them. And it was the finals
    .
    The guy has been impressive far more often then he has been disappointing. Far more.

  • http://www.netstakeover.com/ JetSkiJohnson

    i mean its not insane. Maybe he meant he lost a step on his driving ability. He used to blow by people with ease and dunk on their heads.

  • Klay

    I’ve been passively reading SLAM comments for the past 2 years now its great entertainment… But the thing that intrigues me the most is @nbk. Who is the guy? Why does he think he’s right all the time? I mean he gets a kick out of picking little faults from people’s statements just to make him superior. To make it short i reckon he is the biggest prick on this site. Anyone who argues with him is wrong. Please enlighten me if he is someone of significance in real life or he just another keyboard warrior.

  • http://www.netstakeover.com/ JetSkiJohnson

    i think he meant explosiveness.

  • LakeShow

    While I enjoy nbk and wouldn’t have the SLAM site with out him, I whole heartily agree.

    He does get off in some fashion in acting like he’s right all the time.

    When in reality he just has more time and is more willing to spend his day looking up articles and stats.

    He’s something in between a key board warrior and a highly knowledgeable basketball fan.

    I assume it’s something of a muse for him. Good place to “get away” and be “whatever you want to be” type of thing.

    But enough about that fool @disqus_rOeXXBD2qs:disqus ;)

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    i never have a problem admitting when i’m wrong. if i’m wrong. – and i don’t point out when people make mistakes because i get a kick out of it, i just prefer people to not make mistakes. as crazy as that must be.

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    lol

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