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Tuesday, November 26th, 2013 at 9:30 am  |  196 responses

Kobe Bryant Says New Deal With Lakers ‘Wasn’t a Negotiation’


by Marcel Mutoni @ marcel_mutoni

When the Los Angeles Lakers approached Kobe Bryant about maintaining his status as the NBA’s highest-paid player, he certainly wasn’t about to persuade them otherwise.

The franchise stared at the reasons for not signing their ageing superstar to such a massive deal in the face — the unknown regarding Kobe’s health going forward; the salary cap hit that may hinder them from building a title-contending franchise around Bryant — and basically screamed “YOLO!”

Kobe is grateful for the 2-year, $48.5 million contract, and says the decision to sign was a no-brainer. The Lakers claim it was the right thing to do, consequences be damned.

Per Yahoo! Sports and ESPN:

“This was easy,” Bryant said on Monday night. “This wasn’t a negotiation. The Lakers made their offer with cap and building a great team in mind while still taking care of me as a player. I simply agreed to the offer.”

“This wasn’t something I decided to do; this wasn’t something [general manager] Mitch Kupchak decided to do. This was a Buss family decision,” Lakers executive vice president of player personnel Jim Buss said on Monday night. ”We made him the highest-paid player in the NBA because we felt like it was the right thing to do. This wasn’t about what somebody else would pay him or outbidding anyone for him. This was to continue his legacy [with the Lakers], our legacy of loyalty to our iconic players.”

The deal has been universally panned — some charge that Kobe Bryant is greedy; others that the Lakers weren’t wise to invest so much in the fading legend — and Bean lashed out a bit on Instagram (he unimaginatively called critics “slow”.)

The Lakers’ immediate future on the court doesn’t look all that promising, but they seem thrilled with their decision:

“Loyalty is one of the values our dad instilled in us,” Buss said. “It’s how he ran the Lakers and how we aspire to continue to run the Lakers. It’s what our fans and iconic players deserve.”

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  • moose

    Universal criticism? Not so sure about that have read a few more balanced articles that this in the topic – which isn’t too difficult. I think the lakers were in a lose lose situation, if they gave him an offer too low it would be Jim’s lack of loyalty/understanding of the contribution Kobe has made and more talk of him ruining the franchise (which still may be true). My question is – would the greatest owner in sports have been happy with this, and I honestly believe Jerry Buss would be.

  • pposse

    What a delusional way to look at loyalty. I’m sure Shaq see’s it the same way.

  • TR

    Kobe is not about winning

  • Castrovi

    Lakers isn’t coming out the west for the next five years anyway.

  • hashzz

    i thought it was ok for them to do that. How many times have stars left their team ? all the time, i applaud their loyalty.Im a realist, and my Lakers had NO shot and BOTH melo and lebron anyway, im not so sure they should go after melo anyway. Case in point, this isn’t really stopping them from doing anything. Its either they go over the cap (like always), or they took a look at that 2015 FA class..when they’ll STILL have cap space with NO kobe. Haven’t we learned from cubans mavs, nothing is certain in FA

  • robb

    The greatest franchise ever. Go ahead, thumb me down.

  • hashzz

    he has won plenty already…there are players demanding max dollars that haven’tbeen past the 2nd round, but because he’s kobe……why are people surprised at the Lakers spending outlandishly? they do it all the time.

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    awesome Lakers. this is loyalty induced stupidity. Signing him for any amount of money higher than what Tim Duncan got in San Antonio would have looked just as loyal.

  • Cortez Mack

    In addition to payment for services rendered, this contract is a message to the other, current and future, SUPERSTARS in the league.

    The message is this….

    Become legendary in LA (and make us hundreds of millions of dollars) and we will take care of you at ALL phases of your career. We will take care of you when every other team would be looking to get rid of you in order for some lottery bound “rebuilding” effort.

    In what other scenario is relying on a lottery considered a viable strategy? None.

    This is the very example of this “loyalty” concept you seem to expect from the players. But, strangely enough, not from the teams themselves. Slave/worker mentality most likely.

    You lunatics love spending other people’s money and telling them what they are entitled to when it is objectively demonstrable that they have produced far more revenue than what they are being paid.

    They have more than enough to sign another “max” deal (assuming someone wants to come to LA in the first place). If someone need to take a paycut to stay, guess what, it should be Gasol. Plus, Nash is not even playing! Yet,it seems to be assumed that he will be around taking up cap space.

    Barring some odd occurrence or some unlikely Voltron like convergence of parts, the next 2 seasons will be about Bryant (assuming he is healthy) going out like Tony Montana in a blaze of glory.

    All clips empty.Top of the world ma! TOP OF THE WORLD!

  • Nah

    Phil Jackson agrees with you Jim. He thinks you’ve made all the moves your father would have made. You’ve really held up the legacy and made the best moves possible. Great job Jim. Great. Job.

  • shockexchange

    Got Horry Jr Jones, Horry Jr Jones … for yooouuu … http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KCF6IkMmmpY

  • http://soundcloud.com/tray-8 T-Ray

    Not so sure that Gasol takes a paycut though. I could honestly see him leaving ala Ray Allen after eing the center of discussion during trade talks.

  • patrick

    lakers gm an idiot lol,,,horrible deal

  • bike

    And that is what is surprising about all this. No negotiation. Are they sure they couldn’t have talked Kobe into a more nuanced plan that involved him sacrificing financially for the benefit of the team’s free agency? Maybe what we have here is an executive who didn’t have a back-up plan to deal with Dwight’s departure and wasn’t prepared to deal with even a remote possibility that Kobe decided to leave.

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    Gasol has to be renounced in order to sign a max player. You should check the math before you get all optimistic about the Lakers options. Or just force Nash to file his retirement papers ASAP so you even can offer Gasol a smaller deal.

  • patrick

    cortez: that’s the best point i can think of

  • patrick

    i wanna see lebron and kobe on the same team then when lebron becomes a free agent from the Heat

  • Cortez Mack

    “Gasol has to be renounced in order to sign a max player.”

    Is this not the last year of Gasol’s contract? Why would they have to “renounce” him?

    That math is simple.

    Kobe + Max free agent – Gasol = 43 million (of a 58-60 million cap)

    Math tells me that leaves 15-17 million dollars left over with a team absolutely swimming in operational cash (i.e. the cap is not as imprtant to them as it is to some others).

    “You should check the math before you get all optimistic about the Lakers options.”

    Optimistic? Here is exactly what I said about what I thought the Lakers were going to be the next 2 years…

    ‘Barring some odd occurrence or some unlikely Voltron like convergence of parts, the next 2 seasons will be about Bryant (assuming he is healthy) going out like Tony Montana in a blaze of glory.’

    My (stated) assumption placed doubt on someone coming to LA at all.

    Plus I EXPLICITLY said that this contract was for future positioning in the BUSINESS world (of basketball) of signing stars in the FUTURE (i.e. long after Bryant is retired). The Lakers (despite the child-like fantasy of the ‘love of the game’ fanatics) are running a business. Bryant has been, and is currently, great for business.

    You guys are letting your Bryant hatred drive you over the edge of reason.

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    Bird Rights = Cap Holds.
    .
    Cap Holds take up Cap Space
    .
    Ifso facto, you have to renounce players taking up the cap space needed to sign free agents. .
    Gasol, and all other free agents have to be renounced in order to free up the 21.5 million dollars in cap space that is being reported. .
    Google CBAfaq if you need more answers.

  • Cortez Mack

    You are arguing a technical (and pedant) semantic point.

    This is Gasol’s final contract year. My given scenario does not involve Gasol staying around, period. Therefore, I am not counting his salary).

    In fact, I wrote this equation in my 2nd post…

    Kobe + Max free agent – Gasol = 43 million (of a 58-60 million cap)

    The key is MINUS Gasol

    So, yes, RENOUNCE Gasol.

    …just like I initially said in the equation.

    Gasol should take the paycut for the “honor” of playing with 2 superstars so he can get that 3rd ring! After all, he was not close to winning a damn thing until he came to play with Bryant.

    Right?

  • Cortez Mack

    That is partially my point.

    According to some, he [Gasol] should jump at a paycut whole hardheartedly for “the team” or something like that. He already said PUBLICLY that he is not looking to take a pay cut. He is not dumb enough to negotiate against himself.

    I like Gasol as a player (a lot) but he is making close to 19 million dollars! If anyone SHOULD be taking a paycut based on production and revenue generation, he is the leading candidate.

    This is PROFESSIONAL basketball. Some people seem to think it is Jimmy Chitwood back at Hickory High shooting at a peach basket.

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    Kobe + Max Free Agent + Steve Nash + 1st round pick = 56 million.
    .
    Salary Cap = 60 Million
    .
    8 roster spots for 4 million dollars = all minimum salary guys.
    .
    Get it?

  • Saleem Rainman

    exactly what i was thinking.

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    Man you don’t get it, Paycut or not, LA can’t keep Gasol and sign a max free agent.

  • Cortez Mack

    I just realized something. If “winning” is the driving, be all end all factor…

    Why is not the story, “The available free agents should take a PAY CUT to come too LA because they thought it was their best chance to WIN?” Come on pal! Take the sacrifice buddy for the glory of giving the fans a (chance) at a championship.

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    Why would players better than Kobe take a paycut when he just got overpaid by 10 million dollars? Lol did you even think this through before you pressed post?
    .
    If this were about winning, LA would never have offered Kobe that outrageously awful contract.

  • Cortez Mack

    It is you who “does not get it”.

    The only reason I referenced Gasol (and paycut) in the response to T-Ray is that Gasol has said PUBLICLY that he would not take a paycut anyway. Yet no one is screaming about Gasol not being willing to give up money on principle.

    You should separate my conversation with you from this one. They are not related. I am not advocating for them keeping Gasol. I have said this three times now to you.

    I get the sense that you are under the impression that I have some great concern over whether or not the Lakers field a championship team. I do not.

    I have ZERO connection to the LA Lakes corporate entity, Bryant or the Buss family. However, I do like basketball in general and I find this hatred of Bryant fascinating on a purely human observational level.

  • TR

    Kobe wants people to think hes obsessed with winning but really hes obsessed with Kobe. He’d rather play with sub par players and be the best than form a championship squad for the future with the franchise thats done everything for him.

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    What? Lol I have no hatred of Kobe at all. Lol just trying to understand what you don’t get. And now I do! You realize Kobe makes 10 million more a season then Gasol right? You realize his basketball income is his chief source of income right? And he didn’t say he won’t for sure take a paycut, he said probably not.

    .
    Why would he take a paycut to stay with a team that just wasted 8 or so million dollars being loyal? My issue is with the double standard. Kobe shouldn’t have I take a paycut, even though he is clearly the person who should? I mean, if Gasol was 36, coming off a devastating injury all while already being significantly overpaid, then I’d be all about him taking a paycut in order to help his team win. But now he’s in a situation where winning is secondary to loyalty, and with that being clear, saying anyone other than Kobe should take a paycut to play with the Lakers and Kobe Bryant, is uhm, well you can figure it out I’m sure.
    .
    I actually very much enjoy watching Kobe, so much so that I’m disappointed I won’t be able to see him do it on the biggest stage. This because the Lakers, and Kobe Bryant, put Kobe Bryant before winning.

  • Drig

    To be fair, Shaq didn’t actually endear himself to the Buss family with his antics either…….

  • pposse

    there definately is something admirable about the way the Lakers do business.

  • LakeShow

    This must be kinda weird for you… Watching someone you relate to a “role-player” being paid more than any other player in the L year after year until he’s 37 or 38.

    It’s gotta throw a bit of a monkey wrench in your “logic.”

    Let me help you realize the insanity of your life:

    Circa 2007: “Robert Horry was just signed by the Spurs to a 2 year $50m contract without any negotiation.”

    LOL

  • LakeShow

    You make me laugh.

    “You should check the math before you get all optimistic about the Lakers options.”

    Okay:

    They could just retire Nash and resign Gasol and a max player. (As you noted)

    Or not resign/renounce Gasol, retire Nash and go after two max players.

    They have options. Chillllllll dogg.

    {edit}Haha, just realized homie below me had this EXACT convo with you. Just ignore me lol.

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    Retire Nash? You mean Nash has to retire? And he has to file the paper work in June.
    .
    They don’t have championship options. But hey, if
    You guys are ok with a Kobe Bryant farewell tour and early playoff exits in the process, the more power to you.

  • LakeShow

    Why would they keep Steve Nash? They are going to retire him by years end, i’m sure.

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    Are you really under the impression that it’s up to the Lakers?

  • LakeShow

    Gasols market value isn’t to crazy high right now. Can’t see him wanting to go to the Bobcat’s or PHX or something.

    He can’t be more than $12-15m a year and he may just want to take a few less to stay with “his” team and try to win a chip agains with KB.

    There are options, quit being so pessimistic.

    Or keep being pessimistic, I don’t care haha.

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    The Lakers can’t offer him 12-15 million. They can’t offer him more than 4 million.

  • thebossman15

    5 rings begs to differ you clown

  • LakeShow

    Even if they retire Nash?

  • LakeShow

    Nash wants to retire. So therefore it kind of is up to the Lakers.

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    Why do you keep saying “they retire Nash” – Nash has to retire himself. And he has to Literally file the paperwork in time for free agency for it to even matter. And the Lakers must renounce Gasol, giving up all bird rights, and incentives for him to actually stay.

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    If Nash wants to retire, Nash will retire. Lol it is literally not at all up to the Lakers.

  • shockexchange

    Actually, what’s throwing a monkey wrench in his logic is that fact that Horry Jr didn’t donate 3/4′s his salary to Shaq, Pau Gasol / Andrew Bynum at the same ____ time. What an ingrate.

  • Anthony

    Pretty sure Kobe playing for the Laker’s franchise over the years has been attributable to AT LEAST $1B in revenues. So the $328MM he’s made in salary has yielded at minimum a 67.2% R.O.I…….Kobe’s a good investment.

  • LakeShow

    Did MJ share his salary with Rodman and Pippen?

    Did Magic share his with Kareem and Worthy?

    Did Bird share his with McHale and Parish?

    Did LeBron share his with Dwyane Wade/Ray Allen, Chris Bosh?

    Did Dirk pay his role-players for shooting lights out?

    The list goes on.

  • shockexchange

    What’s an “Horry Jr Jones”? It’s when you love Horry Jr so much that it blinds you to reality. You’re like a junkie … and you just can seem to get yourself together.

  • LakeShow

    Oh nbk, for all your intelligence you have no common sense.

  • guest

    Don’t keep us in suspense…did they?

  • LakeShow

    lol, no… no, they did not.

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    yeah, spell out how the Lakers are the one’s who decide when an individual retires.

  • LakeShow

    The whole worlds jones for certain players.

    MJ
    Wilt
    Bird
    KB
    Magic

    They all have their following for some “weird” reason or another…

  • Opinimize

    I think kobe has already seen his last NBA title… and you ? http://opi.cc/D3bYt2PK79uMUhag

  • shockexchange

    SE recognizes all of the names on your above list except one. Who is this “KB” person you speak of?

  • LakeShow

    Kup: “Hey Nash, remember you said that the injuries were taking a toll and that you didn’t think you could sustain nba ball too much longer? Well we want to retire you and give you and pay you handsomely in a management position within the company.”

    Nash: “Okay.”

    Something like that i’d imagine.

  • LakeShow

    Sounds pretty simple.

  • LakeShow

    What’s it called when everyone respect and gives credit to someone for their achievements accept for a few disgruntled curmudgeons?

    I think the term is: HATER

  • shockexchange

    You need to take that up with “the streets.” That said, SE is on record that Horry Jr is the greatest winner of his era – the highest homage he could pay to any player.

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    LOL. Nash is getting what front office position? And you do realize the Raptors have already tried to offer him a place in their front office when he retires? Same with Phoenix? — I mean, his family lives in Phoenix. If he takes any front office job, presumably, that would be where he goes.
    .
    And, really, being urged to retire by the Lakers is not at all them deciding his fate. — Plus, as i said, he would have to decide to retire, and file the paperwork in time for it to go through for it to even matter. Until his retirement paperwork is filed with the league office, his contract counts against the salary cap.
    .
    Either way, Kobe + Gasol + Carmelo(at best) is not a title contender anyway. This whole scenario doesn’t change what a gigantic waste of money Kobe Bryant is, IF winning a championship is actually the goal.

  • LakeShow

    What’s era though?

    I mean technically Robert Horry could be “the greater winner” than MJ by that silly definition.

    You really think MJ and KB are 2nd to Bob Horry in “winning?”

    I’d like to think that you’re not that stupid, but I’ve been wrong before, unlike you…

  • Evan Boland

    Overpaid by 10 million? Pftt haha

  • shockexchange

    The backtalk? The Shock Exchange would love to catch you on a basketball court … give you a lane and right when you try to drive, cut you off … then drive his shoulder right into your sternum. Wonder how much mouf you’d have then.

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    yes, he’s worth about $13M a season as a basketball player….when healthy.

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  • LakeShow

    I mean, sure… if you just want us all to admit that the Lakers could have done “better” in contract negotiations, sure.

    Duh.

    But that’s the beauty of this it appears.

    They have something up their sleeve man.

    I’m pretty sure they know that Nash is retiring and have already decided or started the process of negotiating/renouncing Pau.

    This isn’t Jerry Buss anymore, but it’s still his cash, and they have plenty of it. They will figure this out. I’m sure they would have hired you if they felt you had a better understanding of navigating the CBA.

    Kobe, Melo, and Gasol with two 3 and D guys would be a title contender, but we don’t need to get into that right now.

  • Evan Boland

    Nice to know you’re confident in your abilities to judge a players worth. What do you think he was worth last season? Did you watch him put up 40 + 10 in back to back games? I hardly imagine its a feat even the great King James could accomplish.

  • LakeShow

    Calm yourself old man.

    Breathe in.

    Breathe out.

  • shockexchange

    What did you expect the Shock Exchange to say? You’re on here sassin’ SE. “What era though?” The era of 6’6″ centers. Like what other era could Horry Jr be successful in? As the theme from “Jeopardy” plays ad in finitum …

  • pposse

    technically speaking lebron didn’t, but him wade and bosh all took pay cuts

  • LakeShow

    So LeBron is not an all time player in your eyes? Chuck Hayes is still in the L…

    The L is watered down now you think? Why do you watch then?

  • https://twitter.com/jasontichenor Mr. Wet

    the best part of this whole thread is everyone thinks you hate kobe now.

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    LOL, they did this out of loyalty…i mean, it’s not even debatable. first of all, they admitted it by saying they didn’t even negotiate. Kobe Bryant just took a deal worth 5 million more than LeBron James is set to make, you know, the LeBron James who did ask for a paycut in order for his team to win? how come Kobe is not held to a standard similar to other star players who sacrifice personal gain for their team? oh, he’s Kobe. That’s right. – and even if Nash does retire, that leaves them with $14million, at most, to fill out 8 roster spots, with only Carmelo/Kobe/and a draft pick on the roster. You can’t be naive enough to think they can build a contender out of that, can you? also, i gave you an article yesterday that outlined what the Lakers options are, you read it right? so i don’t understand what you think the Lakers even could possibly have up their sleeves? you think they know about a player that nobody else does or something?
    .
    and what in the world makes you think having Gasol as your only legitimate low post presence makes you a championship contender? you do realize how utterly terrible Gasol has become defensively right? with him being a very below average offensive player at the moment, nothing about how he’s playing should make you feel optimistic. Especially with the outrageously optimistic resurgence you predicted for him.
    .
    All i want you guys to do is see that this is a farewell tour for Kobe, not a run at ring #6. The Lakers folded on the aspirations for a title, and they probably made that decision sometime after Dwight decided to go to Houston. Saying, “well, we will just set ourselves up for 2015-16, and a long run after that” —- which is exactly what they’ve done.

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    did you watch him play defense last season or nah?
    .
    he was worth 16ish million last season. which is a max deal for under 10 year vets. about what James Harden made, albeit a portion more.
    .
    not an insult to Kobe at all, just a matter of speaking, it is pointless to pay a guy 30 million dollars when you are going to finish as the 7 seed, and said guy is going to be a terrible defensive player. Regardless of his outrageously good offensive output.

  • http://www.offthebackboard.wordpress.com/ Off The Backboard

    Nash is not looking to retire.

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    oh that’s not new. lol. people around here, especially those who are either ignorant, or die hard fans of the Lakers think personal feelings accompany criticism. idk, tough concept to realize the two things can be separated i guess.

  • Cortez Mack

    You still do not get it

    “Kobe + Max Free Agent + Steve Nash + 1st round pick = 56 million.”

    Right.

    For the fourth time…

    My ONLY contention was that the Lakers could get another max free agent.

    You just AGREED with me.

    Your mistake is that you think that I care, or that it was even my contention at all, if that is a optimal “championship” core.

  • Cortez Mack

    So now Steve Nash is selfish too? Why would he collect a check if he cannot play (well)?

    Your feigned outrage is very odd.

  • Cortez Mack

    “Lol just trying to understand what you don’t get.”

    First, you did not “get” why I thought the Lakers could get another max player.

    Then, after a long drawn out circle jerk, YOU AGREED WITH ME.

    Now, you do not “get” that I do not recognize why Bryant should give up his (rightfully earned) cash so Gasol (who is a multimillionaire himself) can get more money. Even after Gasol took the EXACT SAME negotiating position the Bryant took. All for a (yet to be named) free agent who is not guaranteed to come.

    …and for the record, you were not likely to see Bryant on the “big stage” next year either. Even if he had taken $1 in salary.

    I am not surprised that you do not “get it”.

  • LakeShow

    I think it can be both. A farewell tour and a good run at a 6th chip.

    Don’t forget that the Lakers can do the time extension payment on Nash too. Gives them essentially another $5m each year to play with.

  • LakeShow

    We don’t know that. There has been conflicting reports.

    Time-Extension payment is the other option.

  • Cortez Mack

    You: “Why would players better than Kobe take a paycut when he just got overpaid by 10 million dollars?”

    Me: “because they thought it was their best chance to WIN”

    You are funny.

    10 million, huh. That is a nice round figure. You should apply to be a GM. Your grasp of the cap rules and team assembly methods should overwhelm any potential employer.

  • Evan Boland

    What you fail to realize is that Kobe is leading the offense, where as he is usually just watching a corner decoy on defense. Not the same level of impact, nor importance.

  • Evan Boland

    Which is not the mention his on ball D is still good. Just ask LBJ about it.

  • thebossman15

    i applaud you for arguing with that idiot for this long..he doesnt know what hes talking about

  • Cortez Mack

    It is Thanksgiving week. It is slow at work, yet I cannot leave just yet.

    Please do not encourage me. I should probably be slapped instead of applauded.

  • thebossman15

    LOL you idiot, you were the one telling me chris paul was a better defender then kobe lmao..smh you are a fool..you are either stupid or a huge hater

  • LakeShow

    Uhh… Chris Paul is a much better defender than Kobe…

  • thebossman15

    on ball defense..are you serious?

  • LakeShow

    Mmh, you’re right that KB is a very good one on one defender when his mind is put to it. Better than Paul? I don’t think so. Paul is more consistent nightly at playing better D.

    KB CAN be better when the lights shine brightest, but as far as night in night out output, CP is a top 5 two way player. Kobe is top 3 offensively but not anywhere near the best two way players anymore.

  • bball knowledge

    Tell that to Shaq who won 3 Finals MVP’s for the Lakers and gave them a 3peat from 2000-2002 and traded him because they did not want to pay him $100 Million.

  • https://twitter.com/jasontichenor Mr. Wet

    i was expecting like a 3 year 39 million offer.

  • thebossman15

    better off the ball sure, on the ball it isnt even close..his size alone puts him at a huge disadvantage..and kobe has shown to play defense in stretches sometimes you are right, but at the end of the day he always locks up when he needs too.

    Its easy for Paul to drift and roam around for steals when hes got such good rim protectors behind him, i have never seen him play good on ball defense in an iso-situation such as..

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jI7_McRVkG8

    very similar to rondo..great off ball defenders, terrible on ball..i consider on ball defense far more impressive then off ball d.

  • Cortez Mack

    Kobe gave them a three peat. Plus two more as a featured player.

    But to humor the both of us, here is the difference.

    Kobe – fanatical attention to conditioning and skill training
    Shaq – Skilled behemoth with little attention paid to conditioning and skill training

    The Lakers made a wise business decision.

    If it was indeed O’Neal carrying Bryant then he should have took those same skills and 3 finals MVPs and won many more championships by carrying another replaceable role player to multiple championships.

    We see how that turned out.

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    No, that doesn’t affect the salary cap from my understanding. That’s just payment schedule.

  • LakeShow

    We’ll have to agree to disagree on this one my friend.

  • Cortez Mack

    “and what in the world makes you think having Gasol as your only legitimate low post presence”

    I am trying to figure out who was Miami’s (2 championships) “low post presence”.

  • LakeShow

    Good call. The L has been stepping more and more away from the traditional tree in the middle design.

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    Kobe can be better than Chris Paul. If he were to actually give a consistent great effort and attention to that end throughout a season. but he doesn’t even pay kind of ok attention to defense, and gives great effort only on occasion (he was a world beater defensively twice in one week last season, a game against the Bucks and Brandon Jennings, then a couple days later against the Cavs and Kyrie Irving.) but that hardly ever happens. He barely pays any attention to defense, and is really a detrimental part of any team system. (which is why, despite you know, only sitting during garbage time, the Lakers defense still improved significantly when Kobe Bryant went to the bench.) I posted an article to you yesterday outlining how terrible Bryant was. You ignored it, obviously.
    .
    Tell me, in what way was Paul a worse defender than Kobe Bryant at any point in the last 3 years? Go ahead, show me any proof. I’m the idiot, yet if you want, i can actually back up my argument with facts and evidence, that type of thing. I know, that’s normally how idiots back up their argument right? The people who know what they are talking about, they are the one’s who just call people stupid….right?
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    right.

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    did you watch the Lakers defense improve when Kobe went to the bench? or was that one possession in the all star game all you watched last season?

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    i have a career, thanks for the advice though.
    .
    $10 million, simple.
    .
    Tim Duncan signed his 2 year deal for about $20 million (total). Tim Duncan just was the best big man in the league last season, while leading his team to game 7 in the finals. Tim Duncan was offered more than $20 million, but chose (because winning is most important) to opt for less money, in order to help the team. Because he understands, loyalty is nice and everything, but the team and winning should be held as more important.
    .
    If Tim Duncan is worth $10 mill a season, i think Kobe Bryant’s fair market value is probably around $13 million.
    .
    Did you want me to include more figures then just round numbers? because we all have access to their “estimated” salaries per year, down to the dollar.

  • Evan Boland

    Actually, he blocked him on two separate possessions. It was quite embarrassing.

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    LeBron James would be the exception. Unless you know of another small forward who just led the league in field goal % around the basket? no? oh, that doesn’t exist. Nevermind.
    .
    do the Lakers have LeBron James?
    .

  • shockexchange

    Horry Jr couldn’t guard a bear in a phone booth. That is all.

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    what? it’s a collective bargaining agreement. if he still wants to play in the next year, Steve Nash, healthy or not, has no choice but to accept his checks.
    .
    stop making stupid assumptions, for the both of us.

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    here, i’ll break it down,

    “In addition to payment for services rendered, this contract is a message to the other, current and future, SUPERSTARS in the league.

    The message is this….

    Become legendary in LA (and make us hundreds of millions of dollars) and we will take care of you at ALL phases of your career. We will take care of you when every other team would be looking to get rid of you in order for some lottery bound “rebuilding” effort or shipping you out for another star.”"

    - in other words, “stay with us for 17 years be one of the 10 greatest to ever play, and we will reward you! everyone come on over” that makes perfect sense

    “They have more than enough to sign another “max” deal (assuming someone wants to come to LA in the first place). If someone need to take a paycut to stay, guess what, it should be Gasol. Plus, Nash is not even playing! Yet,it seems to be assumed that he will be around taking up cap space.”

    this is where my point came from. Gasol doesn’t have the option of taking a paycut – i misunderstood why you said this, thought you meant they could re-sign Gasol and be ready to compete, not that you are just saying this for sh*ts and giggles but that doesn’t change that it still can’t happen, unless Nash officially retires in the near future

    “Barring some odd occurrence or some unlikely Voltron like convergence of parts, the next 2 seasons will be about Bryant (assuming he is healthy) going out like Tony Montana in a blaze of glory.”

    absolutely true, this is not about winning, this is a farewell tour

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    ohhhhhhhhh man!

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    i never argued that part of your comment. you know you can be right in your message, but still wrong about a portion of your comment….don’t you?

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    that has no affect on the salary cap.

  • Cortez Mack

    “do the Lakers have LeBron James? ”

    No. I see you still think I explicitly care about the Lakers though.

    Moving on…

    I wonder, does having the player with the highest fg% at the basket, or the best “low post presence” equate to winning the championship every year?

    We both know the answer.

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    “”and what in the world makes you think having Gasol as your only legitimate low post presence”"

    quote me, using the name of a Lakers player while talking about the Lakers, and (hopefully) “act” dumb enough not to understand why I mentioned the team in a reply. That is……
    .
    We both know the answer

  • Cortez Mack

    You are letting your outrage drive you mad son.

    You, YOU, yes YOU…

    …already gave the scenario where the both Lakers keep Nash AND GET ANOTHER MAX PLAYER.

    You agree with me again.

    Congrats.

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    you do realize i’m replying to the words in your comment, not the thoughts in your head…correct?

    .

    “So now Steve Nash is selfish too? Why would he collect a check if he cannot play (well)?”

    if he still wants to play in the next year, Steve Nash, healthy or not, has no choice but to accept his checks.

    .
    Go ahead, just read those things, and pretend the thoughts in your own head are not involved. Explain to me what part of this, you, as an unbiased observer, don’t understand….

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    i was expecting him to sign something stupid like this. i just wasn’t expecting the Lakers to do it, no questions asked. Kobe’s confidence in himself is admirable….but it’s unrealistic.

  • thebossman15

    since you love stats so much and all the advanced stats bullshit, why dont you argue this(something i found with a quick google search to support my formulated opinion) but seriously, if you somehow cant put 2 and 2 together as to why chris paul has seen next to no type of success in the post season then god bless your naive soul.

    as for the article

    http://atthehive.wordpress.com/2008/04/13/is-chris-paul-bad-at-defense/

  • Cortez Mack

    I will play along…

    I simply presented your quote, as is. Then a made a generic statement about close to the basket fg% percentage.

    If your irrational outrage is based on…

    “No. I see you still think I explicitly care about the Lakers though.”

    Okay, congrats, you got me. You did indeed mention the Lakers in context with the previous comments. You got me.

    You must forgive me though. I was taken aback. You had been explicitly agreeing with my ONLY points so far (albeit, while pretending to disagree) for long that I could not be sure you were making a sensible statement.

    …and before you pretend like you have not been arguing with yourself this whole time, I will remind you, my ONLY point was that the Lakers could still get another max free agent.

    …which you have gone through the trouble of outlining (multiple scenarios) where this can happen.

    I never made the claim, explicitly or implicitly, that the Lakers would be a contender. In fact, I SAID THE EXACT OPPOSITE.

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    that article is 5 years old.
    .
    before you reply,

    “Tell me, in what way was Paul a worse defender than Kobe Bryant at any point in the last 3 years?”

    is explicitly stated in my comment.

  • Cortez Mack

    I will continue to play along…

    Let us keep it simple and direct.

    What, exactly, was I wrong about which caused you to make a counter point?

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    i do not understand why you think i’m “outraged” — this is how i comment, and always have. lol, i mean, do you even realize when you are making these blind assumptions?

    .

    man……i never once argued with you about the Lakers ability to get a max player with Kobe. it’s about being able to retain Gasol (they can’t), or having “15-17 million in operational cash” (they wouldn’t) — and it’s not operational cash, it’s just cap room. But that is not how much they have,

    even if we assume nash retires tomorrow, and Gasol is renounced and not signed for a lesser deal,

    Kobe = 23.5 million
    Max Player = 20 million
    Draft Pick = 4 million

    leaves $12.5 million in cap room, at most.
    .
    so i’m sure you understand why i was trying to point out what was wrong with what you were saying. It’s not that you are wrong in that this is a going away party for Kobe, or that they have enough money for a second max, it’s that you got specifics wrong. Which is all i’ve covered, over, and over again.

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    my reply is on another comment. this is pretty redundant though, i think we both see where the other was coming from at this point.

  • Cortez Mack

    “this is how i comment, and always have”

    Great.

    “leaves $12.5 million in cap room, at most.”

    I never mentioned a draft pick and I explicitly mentioned only 2 salaries in conjunction with my 15-17 million dollar guesstimate range.

    Now, I will do the math for you.

    your 12.5 million + (4 million for the draft pick) = 16.5 million

    Last time I checked, 16.5 million is right between 15-17 million.

    …just like I said.

    And the amazing thing is that I was that close and I have no knowledge to the cap rules other than bits and pieces I pick up from my cursory review of sports articles.While you seem to spend a odd amount of time studying the ins and outs of the CBA and the intricate details of the Lakers salary cap.

    …different strokes, I suppose.

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    so just as an example,

    in math class, when the teacher asks you to come up and do a problem on the chalk board, and you miss a number…..
    .
    when the teacher says, “that is incorrect”
    .
    is the response, “not uhh, i just didn’t know about that number!”
    .
    ?

    (and i pretty much know the cap situation of every team. basketball is my hobby! crazy as that sounds, i know a lot more information about my hobby then a normal person, who doesn’t care about it as much. i assume you have a hobby, or something you like to do when you are bored…right?)

  • Cortez Mack

    I feel you brother.

    …that Steve Nash comment was a throwaway, alluding to my bewilderment as to why Steve Nash is not being criticized for not simply retiring since it seems he is a shell of himself.

    You argument against Kobe is that he should not have asked for, or taken, the money because he is in decline. Right?

    I get why you conflated the two trains of thought given the nature of a comment board, but I assure you, they were not directly related.

  • thebossman15

    his defense hasnt changed, plays passing lanes well, cant play on ball defense..we have seen deron williams torch him, mike conley worked him in the playoffs just last year, derrick rose torches him etc etc….plus i honestly have never seen chris paul defend an elite player 1 on 1 in an iso situation and come up with a stop(block steal etc) i provided one for you(look below) and could provide plenty more if you would like

  • Cortez Mack

    I saw where you were coming from in the beginning, I do not agree with your premise.

    You were confused about what I said, then you ended up agreeing with me after further clarification.

    So, in a roundabout way, you are correct. We both see where the other is coming from.

  • TR

    You’re a Kobe D-Rider like most Lakers fans. Put T-Mac, VC, AI, Ray Allen, J-Kidd or basically any other elite wing from the early 2000s with Shaq and they get some extra hardware too..Shit you could argue he wasnt even their most important player when the won it in 2010

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    Retirement, and being paid what you are worth as a basketball player are two very very drastically different things.
    .
    When Nash was offered his deal, i roasted the Lakers over it. You can ask @disqus_j65FuvcSML:disqus. It was a total waste of money. Still is. But you can’t go back on a contract that was signed 2 years ago, and i’m surely not going to call for someone to quit their profession because their boss made the mistake of overpaying them.
    .
    Just like I’m not going to pine for Kobe to retire next season when he (again) is clearly not worth more than a traditional max player. Let alone every other player in the league.
    .
    My argument against Kobe (which is really more against his ego, and the Lakers), is that IF winning a championship is the immediate goal, he should have taken a salary that reflected his actual value, rather than what he’s achieved in his career.
    .
    i’m hardly outraged, or upset. and i sincerely don’t care about any of these people calling me an “idiot” like bossman or whatever, just spending free time in my day, talking about something i truly enjoy.

  • thebossman15

    right.. i could say the exact same thing for lebrons past 2 championship rings..however im sure the guys you mentioned could all put up 32,7 and 6 while playing with shaq..why do you gotta to “what if” situations to argue this lol, your a bum

  • Cortez Mack

    “in math class, when the teacher asks you to come up and do a problem on the chalk board, and you miss a number…”

    Your analogy is off. I will correct it for you.

    In the hallway, after math class, if I am having informal conversation about a topic somewhat related to theoretical math and I get the general structure right, should the math teacher break out their gradebook and start taking off points even though the math teacher completely agreed with the general structure of the informal conversation (and we were not in a goddamned class in the first place!) and despite limited formal training, my general structure completely accounted for the problem domain?

    “i assume you have a hobby, or something you like to do when you are bored…right?”

    Yes. Thanks for helping me out.

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    and yet, he still gave up less production than Kobe Bryant last season. And the defense was 6 points better with him on the court, rather than 4 points better with him on the bench….like Kobe.
    .
    oh well though, the best players in the league at his position have played well against him. you must be right.

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    you still don’t get it. but if you need some weird justification that you were “agreed” with, then sure, i agree. lol

  • thebossman15

    lol meaningless stats..im sure these stats support chris pauls success in last years playoffs(let alone…nevermind……….)..would you like to provide me with some video proof of chris pauls defense or can you not find one? i certainly cant..at this point im just anxious to see what this cp3 lockdown defense looks like

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    lol you are complicating something very simple on purpose or is this you trying to put off some air of intelligence? the example was just to show the point, there were parts of your comment that were wrong, so i tried to correct them.. and there were parts of your comment that i misunderstood, which you clarified. both things have been established.

  • Cortez Mack

    “weird justification”

    I said The Lakers could get another max free agent even with Kobe’s contract.

    You agreed, several times.

    Very “weird” indeed.

    “you still don’t get it”

    You got that right.

  • Cortez Mack

    “lol you are complicating something very simple on purpose or is this you trying to put off some air of intelligence?”

    Pot, meet kettle…

    Hi pot!

    “the example was just to show that point is, there were parts of your comment that were wrong,”

    You attempted to use your (near useless) knowledge to be a pedant about something that was not even relevant in an attempt to display your (near useless) mastery of the ins and out of the salary cap and the intricate details of NBA teams.

    “so i tried to correct them”

    You “corrected” them by agreeing with me.

    Thanks, correction noted.

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    what? i am not calling Chris Paul the greatest defender in the world. He was just good last season, sometimes just average (mainly against bigger guards) but he was still better than Kobe.
    .
    MIke Conley, below average against Chris Paul,

    http://www.basketball-reference.com/play-index/h2h_finder.cgi?request=1&p1=paulch01&p2=conlemi01
    .
    Russell Westbrook, below average against Chris Paul,

    http://www.basketball-reference.com/play-index/h2h_finder.cgi?request=1&p1=paulch01&p2=westbru01

    Even 5-0 Derrick Rose, is below his average against Chris Paul,

    http://www.basketball-reference.com/play-index/h2h_finder.cgi?request=1&p1=paulch01&p2=rosede01

    .
    Like it or not, the dude is an above average defender.

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    LOL

  • havoc33

    Can’t believe you’re actually holding Lebron in high regard cause he gave up money, given that he basically did it very well knowing he’d form his own superteam with a easy route to the Finals each year.

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    ugh, my point was that he gave up money for winning.
    .
    if winning is the goal, why would i hold that against him?
    .
    if getting everything you are worth financially was the goal? sure. he’s an idiot.
    .
    if loyalty is what matters? sure, he’s an asshole.
    .
    but if winning is what matters, (it is to me), then i hold nothing against any basketball player who puts that first. “teaming up” is hardly new. i’m not going to fein ignorance in order to jump on everyone’s hate bandwagon.

  • havoc33

    Meaning everything is ok, as long it’s for the sake of winning? I don’t think so. And I can’t recall three allstars in their prime ever joining forces at the same time either (let alone from the same conference).

  • Cortez Mack

    “Tim Duncan just was the best big man in the league last season, while leading his team to game 7 in the finals.”

    Yeah. While taking many many games off to save his energy. Duncan does it by the game, Bryant does it by the possession.

    We can assume you like slacking better if it is done by the game.

    Different strokes.

    “$10 million, simple.”

    I did not question your figure. I just noted that it was round. People, in general, like the number 10. That was another throwaway line.

    “i have a career, thanks for the advice though.”

    Not as a GM, you do not. I assume a NBA GM would be a dream job for you.

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    oh, so teaming up is only a thing when it happens in the exact same way?
    .
    Magic, refusing to come out unless the Lakers are the team drafting him ….. is that much different?

    .
    Wilt, forcing his way to the Lakers to team up with Jerry West (and an aging Elgin Baylor) is not teaming up?
    .
    Barkley joining Drexler and Olajuwon in Houston, not teaming up? He was 33, averaged 19 and 13 — Olajuwan was 34, averaged 23 and 9, Drexler was 34, put up 18, 6, 6, pretty damn great players who were all passed their prime.
    .
    We will ignore the 03-04 Lakers, because Malone and Payton were old. No worry about them being by far the most talented team in the league. Even though it was teaming up, i’ll give it a pass.

    The difference between what LeBron/Wade/Bosh did is that they have rules in place that let them team up without forcing the hand of a team, making it appear as someone else’s decision (even though it was not). And the 24/7 media cycle that revolves around the league today, with the popularity of LeBron. Really that’s the difference. Teaming up, not so much.
    .

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    it would be a dream job. but i have a career with stability. and a family to feed. so i’m good. understand?
    .
    Bryant slacks off based on the possession? you mean, based on which team has the ball? that sounds about right.
    .
    ehh, i don’t throw around opinions i haven’t thought out. so that may have looked like a throwaway line, didn’t mean it as so.

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    “where as he is usually just watching a corner decoy on defense.”

    .
    as i said,
    .
    his value is on one side of the court. he’s hardly worth what he’s paid. couldn’t have illustrated it better myself. thanks.

  • havoc33

    I’d say the key difference was that they (lebron, wade, bosh) were in their prime, had planned it, while all coming from the same conference, diluting an already weak East. There’s a reason why everyone was very upset when it happened. It was unprecedented. They knew very well what they had just done and how it would change the landscape of the NBA, as was apparent by their gloating at the media presser.

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    i don’t disagree with anything you said. it just isn’t that they were “teaming up” – it’s “how” they teamed up. which was revolting when it happened, and still is now. but i do not blame them for the reason they did it, not at all.

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    I said The Lakers could get another max free agent even with Kobe’s contract.

    .
    in the comment where that is all you said, i definitely agree, 100%. in that comment, that exists, where you said, only that.

  • pposse

    interesting to think about Gasol’s market value and the hell the market value for all big men. There is an abundance of big men in the league, but not many are considered even a top two player on the team but yet they are all making 10+ million a season. I wonder if it would be the same if the rules of the game were the same as in the 80s 90s era.

  • sarahnwrap

    We know you have managed so many NBA teams to championships NBK. Where is your front office job? I think the people making the Lakers decisions know better than a Laker hater, what’s best for their team.

  • sarahnwrap

    He shut him down! Lebron was too afraid of being embarrassed by Kobe to even try anything else! LOL!

  • LakeShow

    I was really thinking Nash would pan out just a wee bit more :*(

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    It’s all good. I wasn’t that down on if once D’Antoni took over, so I’m not out of the woods by any stretch lol

  • LakeShow

    Those scenario’s are all much, much different.

    Here’s the equivalent of what happened in MIA in 2010:
    Durant and Paul George join K-Love on the T-Wolves in two or three years all taking less money then they are worth and getting the best shooters/defenders in the game to surround them with supremely more talent than anyone else has.

    Just saying. I wouldn’t praise what LeBron did. He was a prime 25 year old player worth much more money that rejected his accurate assessment for MAX money and a deserving contract to be able to overly stack his team for the next few years.

    Sh*t man… The Heat should be nearly embarrassed about how much talent they have on that team.

    Battier, Birdman, Haslem, Ray Allen, Rashard Lewis, Michael Beasley, Mike Miller, James Jones, Oden, Chalmers, Cole, Mason Jr…. ETC… Damn…

    More talent than KB and Shaq were ever surrounded by.

    I’m just saying I don’t know what is more commendable: Knowing what your worth and taking it, or taking less to stack the odds in your favor more. I prefer Kobe’s i’ll die trying no matter what kind of talent I’m able to be surrounded with approach.

    But I see your point about it being “smarter” to take less money and just get loads of talent to surround yourself with.

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    Lol mike miller isn’t on the heat. James jones has never even been an average nba player, and a lot of those guys are shells of their former selves, man, Idk they are extremely talented, but I don’t think they are the most talented team ever. If even in the conversation.

  • CKLOH

    A better question would be: Do the Lakers play in the East?

  • Allan

    Make it rain Kobe http://makeagif.com/i/zGw3B8

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    In the regular season definitely. But playoff wise, it’s pretty relative. Pacers and Spurs were the only two teams capable of beating Miami last year, they had to play both of them. They earned it just the same……by 0.5 seconds

  • Ugh

    That’s ‘Ipso facto’.

  • Ugh

    You mean ‘pedantic’. A pedant is someone who is pedantic.

  • Ugh

    Don’t bring my good name into this.

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    Ahh damn lol that’s a pretty embarrassing brain fart

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    Lol my bad, that was disrespectful

  • Cortez Mack

    “it would be a dream job. but i have a career with stability. and a family to feed. so i’m good. understand?”

    Understand what? That you have a job? Good. Like the rest of your comments today, that only as a superficial relationship with what I said.

    “Bryant slacks off based on the possession? you mean, based on which team has the ball? that sounds about right.”

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JneC6EGaubQ

    Call an exorcist or Ripley’s. That is at least one play Kobe blacked out or something and managed to play a little defense.

    And that does not take away from my actual point that Duncan demonstrably “slacks off” for whole games at a time quite frequently. He does not even suit up!

    …but do not worry, I get the plan and I like Duncan
    …just like I like Bryant.

    “that may have looked like a throwaway line”

    A throwaway line by me son, not you, me.

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    I’m messing with you….I thought you would have figured that out, but you broke down my comment, so obviously that didn’t register. Oh well, try and have a good night.

  • CKLOH

    Memphis and Oklahoma City both could have challenged Miami.

  • Cortez Mack

    Nah, I am worked up now!

    Nighty night.

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    Lol that’s mighty naive. OKC got stomped on by Miami the year before, and got considerably worse. Memphis got swept by the Spurs and had no go to scorer worth relying on. Oh, and ZBo would have been forced to either guard LeBron, or a perimeter player. Lol, no. Neither would have stood a chance.

  • grgeblck

    Yes, agreed @ taking care of the player. but did Kobe think in terms of the team?

  • bball knowledge

    Bill and Jalen speak the truth about the Lakers:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iQZnQU-Ep8w

  • C.M.G

    No max level player is gonna wanna play second fiddle to 45 year old, wheels falling off, ball hogging, a-hole, and recently over paid Kobe Bryant. I hope u lakers fans. Don’t take it personal when u don’t get Kevin love or Carmelo this summer LOL

  • Evan Boland

    No s**t he’s not worth 24 million a year but he’s easily still a max player, definitely so last year.

  • CKLOH

    Guarding Battier or Haslem would not have been difficult for Randolph… conversely, Miami would not be able to stop Gasol and Randolph.

    Durant and Westbrook would have had the added ability of Revenge. A motivation Miami would have lacked and an incredibly potent propellant.

    Either way, no, it is not naive.

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    Not about being “difficult” for Randolph. It’s about it being exhausting. He wouldn’t be reliable for a full series, not in the role they would’ve needed. .
    And OKC is lacking, one know, that top 15 player that plays for the Rockets. Revenge wasn’t saving them. And you arguing this is ridiculous you realize that right? Those teams didn’t get there for a reason.

  • guest

    You sure told him.

  • havoc33

    Well there you have it. Which is why I questioned why you were putting Lebron on a pedestal as a good example of a superstar taking a pay cut. He doesn’t deserve much credit for that.

  • CKLOH

    Missed layups and injuries, yes.

  • The Seed

    Lakers still can get another player people. If Lakers can get Carmelo or Love or another player that’s enough in the West. Clippers are flawed, SA are old, OKC is only good when Westbrook is on. THE west is wide open.

  • The Seed

    Paul is overrated, have him lead his good teams to a Western Conference Finals then talk to me.

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    putting him on a pedestal? i just asked why some players are held to that standard, but Kobe is not.

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    missed layups.
    .
    missed layups are your defense for why a team could have done better….because they missed layups……missed layups are supposed to make a team seem better than they were? — or are you intentionally trying to make your point look more ridiculous?

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  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    if the rules were like they were in the 80s and 90s, we’d see an entirely different skillset throughout the entire league. The contracts for bigs would probably be even more outrageous, and those guys would be more than defensive specialists.

  • LP @ThisisEther

    Another lost individual who thinks kobe carried shaq.

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    i don’t think that’s what he is trying to imply, i think he means that it was the right decision for the Lakers to choose Kobe over Shaq when it came down to it (which i agree with).
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    but it also doesn’t seem like he realizes that Shaq was overwhelmingly the best player on that team, and the main reason that team was able to 3-peat.

  • LP @ThisisEther

    I hope youre right…I randomly speak out whenever that subject comes up

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  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    idk, dude is not very good at explaining himself. as i’m sure you can see all over this comment section. but he is sure of himself, for what that’s worth.

  • pposse

    im coming from the perspective that a lot of big men in the league aren’t a complete package. If the rules were like the 80′s and 90s which i agree would encourage the utilization of big men more on offense, but it would more or less expose a lot of thier offensive inabilities..i dont see how that can help drive a case for any big man to ask for more money

  • CKLOH

    If Zach Randolph didn’t shoot, what, thirty percent by missing layups? Other than Game One, yes. Alas.

  • LakeShow

    ok

  • LakeShow

    How could a 44 year old ball hog put up 18-14-9-2-1 with 3 TO’s on 68% FG’s over a 3 game span?

    How could a 44 year old ball hog put up back to back games of 42 points and 12 dimes on 60% fg’s? He couldn’t.

    Try speaking truth and you may earn respect.

    He’s 35. He’s a natural scorer who can get too shot happy, but is also one of the best play makers in the L when he puts his mind to it.

    6 dimes a game over 75 games is not easy. Few that aren’t point guards do that. Kobe did.

    Have some respect.

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    i’m saying, training and everything else about developing a player is different, their skillsets would look different/

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    WHY WOULD HE MAKE THOSE LAYUPS AGAINST A BETTER TEAM?
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    holy fantasy land batman. The Grizzlies got swept in the conference finals because they were not, at all, good enough to win a championship.
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    Arguing otherwise is intellectually dishonest. like saying “i would have been an NBA player, if only i didn’t have such a pathetic career in high school…”
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    yeah? oh ok, that makes sense. “if only a meteor didn’t hit the earth, dinosaurs would be the ones having this conversation”

  • CKLOH

    HaHaHa

    He missed a lot of wide-open layups. Why would he make wide-open layups? Because he’s paid to? Something got into Randolph’s head after dominating for two series and it made him miss point-blank, uncontested layups which he had hitherto scored voluminously.

    (I know it wasn’t a personal insult, but…) I don’t know about your high school career, but I was rather satisfied with the amount of championships my team won in cohesion with individual academic dominance, hahaha

    Nice dinosaur reference. It reminds me of when I made a speech about the dinosaurs’ meteoric extinction when I was in elementary school which won the city district competition.

    Are you still angry?

  • Cortez Mack

    Randomly speaking, that is apparent.

  • Cortez Mack

    It is not worth much. That is for damn sure.

    “idk, dude is not very good at explaining himself”

    Apparently, a whole list of people disagree.

    No worries though, they are probably just hating on your hobby of salary cap mastery.

  • cmg937

    Kobe is GREAT ballhog. that’s RESPECT.

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