Quantcast
Thursday, November 14th, 2013 at 9:00 am  |  107 responses

Post Up: Wild Ones

OKC and L.A. get physical, Sixers surprise Rockets.

by Brett Weisband | @weisband

Magic (4-5) 94, Bucks (2-5) 91

Milwaukee got out to a hot start, posting 36 in the first quarter on 58 percent shooting. They came back to earth in the second quarter as the Magic closed the gap to 9 points by halftime. Orlando got balanced scoring from their three young core players – Arron Afflalo, Nik Vucevic and Moe Harkless – in the first half. For Milwaukee, it doesn’t matter what anyone else did early because Giannis Antetokounmpo did THIS:

Those arms. Good lord.

Things tightened up even more in the third, as the Magic drew within two behind a ridiculous shooting display from Afflalo, who drained all 5 of his triples in the quarter. Afflalo kept pouring it on in the fourth quarter, scoring 14 more points and hitting two more threes on his way to 36 points. OJ Mayo (25 points) and Khris Middleton (19 points, 8 rebounds, 3 steals) did what they could to keep the Bucks within striking distance, but in the end they didn’t have enough to overcome Afflalo’s explosion. Vucevic had yet another double-double with 17 and 10.

76ers (5-4) 123, Rockets (5-4) 117

The Sixers just keep on defying expectations. In a game missing both teams’ lead guard – Michael Carter-Williams for the 76ers, James Harden for the Rockets – there were still plenty of fireworks, especially early, as they went to halftime with the Sixers leading 60-57. Both squads were led by former castoffs in the first half, with James Anderson, cut by the Rockets after last season, going for 15 points on perfect 6-6 shooting in the first half, and Jeremy Lin bombing in 4-6 threes for 16 points before halftime. The Sixers, sadly, started intentionally fouling Dwight Howard (23 points, 16 rebounds, 6 assists and 6 blocks) early, going to the tactic at the end of the first half.

Things opened up for Houston in the third, as the bromantic duo of Lin (34 points, season-high 12 assists and 9 threes) and Chandler Parsons (22 points) combined for 20 points in the quarter as Houston built a 10-point lead. The Sixers closed to within a point with under two minutes to go, thanks to some excellent one-on-one defense and timely shooting by Spencer Hawes (18 points, 3-5 threes). Anderson also kept up his hot shooting in the fourth on his way to a new career high of 36, and Tony Wroten, who joined him with a career high and also had a triple-double (18 points, 10 rebounds, 11 assists) with a layup to tie it up late. The Rockets took the lead from the line and were poised to take the W. Anderson had something to say about that, draining his sixth trey of the game off a wild pass from Wroten to send it to OT.

In the extra periods, the teams went back and forth, with the Sixers taking a lead on a Hawes putback dunk on Dwight’s head with under a minute on the clock. Philly went on to seal the game at the line.

Hawes_putback

Bobcats (4-4) 89, Celtics (4-5) 83

The Bobcats pulled their record back to .500 with a road win up in Boston. Al Jefferson took it to his first team early, putting up 12 points and 6 rebounds in the first half. The Celtics’ offense was just as bad as it’s been all season, as they shot just 36 percent in the first two quarters.

This game was among the least exciting you’ll see in the league all year. Neither team turned the ball over an exceptional amount – 15 for Boston, 11 for Charlotte – so fast break chances were limited. These teams just missed a ton of shots. Neither shot better than 38 percent in this low-scoring affair. Jefferson finished with a 22-11 double-double, adding in 2 blocks and even picking up 3 assists. Jeff Green kept up his run of solid play with 19 points on 7-13 shooting, but was cold from downtown (1-5 from three). Starting PG Jordan Crawford put up 16 points and 6 assists for Boston.

Raptors (4-5) 103, Grizzlies (3-5) 87

The Grizzlies early-season troubles continued, dropping yet another home game against a seemingly inferior team. A game after one of the worst shooting performances in history, Rudy Gay was a bit more efficient for the Raps. After missing 26 shots in Monday’s loss, Rudy dropped that number to 10 as he scored 23 points for Toronto. The Raptors were fairly efficient on the whole, shooting 46 percent and knocking down 8-15 threes, including 4-6 by Gay and Kyle Lowry going 3-5 from deep, against the once-vaunted Grizzlies defense.

For Memphis – what is going on? They were down 11 at halftime, and despite outscoring Toronto in the third never really made this game close. The Raptors were up by as many as 18 as they pulled away down the stretch. Mike Conley had 29 points for the Grizz, and Marc Gasol got 18 (shooting under 50 percent to get there), but Memphis got next to nothing from the rest of their roster.

Timberwolves (6-3) 124, Cavaliers (3-6) 95

Ouch, Cleveland. The Timberwolves ran away and hid from Cleveland without Kevin Martin in the lineup, notching a massive blowout win. Minnesota, a top-10 team in points per possession, kept up a trend of hot starts. They topped 30 points in the first quarter for the fifth time already this season. Things didn’t slow down at all for the Wolves in the second quarter. At halftime, they were shooting 62.5 percent from the field and 6-10 from three and had 70 points. Seven-zero. Ricky Rubio already had a double-double at half, Kevin Love had 19 points and Corey Brewer had 17. It was like the Cavs weren’t even on the court for stretches, as the Wolves had several mini-runs to keep widening the gap. Things did not any better for the Cavs as the game worse on, as they trailed by 34 and had given up 108 points through three quarters, and had fewer field goals than Minny had assists.

Love finished with 33 points, 8 rebounds and 6 assists for the Wolves, while Rubio had 16 points, 16 assists and 6 boards, both in three quarters of work. Brewer finished with 27. For the Cavaliers…woof. The horrible offensive start continued, as they shot just 41 percent. Kyrie Irving scored 20 points, but did it on just 8-17 shooting, and also had just 2 assists.

Knicks (3-4) 95, Hawks (4-4) 91

The Knicks made good on James Dolan’s guarantee, getting an important road win agains the Hawks. New York finally got their shooting untracked, hitting 12 threes on the night, after being among the worst teams in the league from deep to start the season (just 32.4 percent coming into the game, 22nd in the league). On the other side, the Hawks missed their first 9 three-point tries before finally hitting one with about three minutes to go in the first half. The Knicks’ defensive deficiencies were still evident, as they allowed Atlanta to score relentlessly in the paint, with Andrea Bargnani logging most of the minutes at center. Carmelo Anthony (25 points) put up 15 early, while JR Smith, in the starting lineup for the first time in over a year, went off for 3 triples in the first half.

In the third, the Hawks took the lead on the strength of Jeff Teague and Al Horford, and they held a lead halfway through the fourth. The Knicks took off on a quick 11-0 run to retake the lead. New York’s hot shooting kept up in the fourth, where they knocked down 4 more threes. Bargs had his best game in blue and orange, notching a 22 point, 11 rebound double-double. Teague paced Atlanta with 24 points and 8 assists, while Horford put up 23 points on 11-14 shooting, taking advantage of having Bargnani on him.

Spurs (8-1) 92, Wizards (2-6) 79

San Antonio’s starters got to rest early as they pulled away from the Wizards and coasted to a win. Six Spurs scored in double figures, with no one playing more than Tim Duncan’s 26 minutes. They were led by Tony Parker’s 16 points, and all but one player that saw action for the Spurs got into the scoring column.

The Wiz trailed by double digits for almost the entire game, but pulled it as close as 60-57 late in the third thanks to hot shooting from Bradley Beal (19 points, 9-19 shooting) and Martell Webster (21 points, 10 rebounds, 3-6 from three). San Antonio came right back with a 10-0 run to end the quarter, though, and that was it for this one.

Nuggets (3-4) 111, Lakers (4-6) 99

Denver got rolling at home as the Lakers’ up-and-down season continued. Timofey Mozgov, also known as the man baptized by Blake Griffin once upon a time, put up a career-high 23 for the Nugs as they pulled their home record up to .500. Wilson Chandler made his season debut for the Nuggets, and stroked a couple of threes to close the Lakers out in the fourth quarter.

Pau Gasol had his best overall game of a very uneven season, scoring 25 points and pulling in 12 rebounds. The Nuggets got out to a 60-54 halftime lead, and held the Lakers at bay for the entire second half, never relinquishing the lead. Kenneth Faried, reportedly being mentioned in trade talks, put up a nice line for Denver with 21 points and 13 rebounds. For the Lakers, Jordan Hill (18 points, 15 rebounds) and Steve Blake (15 points, 11 assists) both recorded double-doubles for LA.

Jazz (1-8) 111, Pelicans (3-6) 105

We can all breathe a sigh of relief: every team in the league now has one in the win column, as the Jazz finally got on the board after a furious comeback victory over the Pelicans. Anthony Davis kept up his path of destruction, going for 29 points and 15 rebounds in the loss, but New Orleans fell apart down the stretch.

The Jazz were down 8 with 9:30 to go in the game, and slowly started clawing back in it. Richard Jefferson (22 points, 7-11 shooting) and Marvin Williams (12 points, 9 rebounds), two totally forgotten players, combined for 16 points from that point, helping the Jazz complete the comeback. Gordon Hayward (10 assists for the game) was big in the fourth as well, netting 11 of his 27 points in the quarter. Down 104-100, Eric Gordon splashed a three for the ‘Cans to cut it to a single point, but the Pellies conceded a foul on the next trip, Williams blocked a Jrue Holiday layup attempt, and Derrick Favors (12 points, 12 rebounds) put it out of reach with a rolling layup. Enes Kanter, Favors’ front court partner, was huge for Utah with 21 points and 10 rebounds.

Trail Blazers (5-2) 90, Suns (5-2) 89

The Suns were involved in another down-to-the-wire game, this time coming out on the wrong end of things. This game was on the seesaw for most of the fourth quarter, with 8 lead changes in the last 7 minutes. With 11 seconds on the clock, Damian Lillard took an inbounds pass and rolled to the hoop unimpeded as Portland took a 90-89 lead. The good thing about forgetting to play defense is that Phoenix got a chance to win it with 6.5 seconds on the clock. Eric Bledsoe took it hard to the hole, but the ball caught rim coming off the backboard and multiple tip attempts wouldn’t fall as time ran out.

Despite the late miss, Bledsoe kept up his star play for the Suns with 23 points and 6 assists. Gerald Green came off the bench for Phoenix to drop 17. Portland got a balanced scoring effort, with 6 players going for double figures. They were led by Thomas Robinson, the often-traded second-year player, who had 15 points (6-9 shooting) and 8 boards in just 17 minutes off the bench. LaMarcus Aldridge and Lillard both went through tough shooting nights, combining to go 9-32.

Kings (2-5) 107, Nets (2-5) 86

Think Mikhail Prokhorov is having second thoughts about his decision to hire someone with no experience to coach a brand new roster? The Nets woes don’t fall all on Jason Kidd, but the results have not been good from the start as the Nets struggle for any kind of continuity. They got blown out by the Kings at Sleep Train Arena, being held to 37.8 percent shooting by the worst defensive team in the league. Marcus Thornton, playing the role of sixth man for the Kings, finally looked comfortable scoring the ball after beign a starter all season, hitting for a season-high 24 points.

This one was never particularly close; the Kings took the lead for good toward the end of the first quarter. They grew it to 12 by half and as high as 23 in the second half. The Nets let it get away when they went 2-12 in the first 6 minutes of the third quarter. If there was a bright spot for Brooklyn, it was Brook Lopez, who scored 16 points (6-12 shooting) and pulled in a season-high 9 rebounds (yes, he’s 7 feet tall). Greivis Vasquez had 17 points and 12 assists for Sacto, while Isaiah Thomas gave them even more scoring punch off the bench with 19 point and 6 assists in 26 minutes.

Clippers (6-3) 111, Thunder (5-2) 103

NBA gods: Please let us get this series in the Playoffs. These two contenders played a wild one that was fun from the start. Both sides were whipping the ball around, good and bad, in the first half. They combined for 36 first half assists, but also had 17 turnovers. We also got what qualifies as an NBA fight as time ran down in the second quarter after Serge Ibaka and Blake Griffin (22 points, 12 rebounds) got tangled up. Matt Barnes (surprise, surprise!) escalated things by shoving Ibaka, and both he and Serge got tossed.

The Clips came out of the locker room strong after halftime, erasing OKC’s 9-point halftime lead and building their own 7-point advantage by the time the quarter ended. Chris Paul (14 points, 16 assists), as always, was at the steering wheel as the Clippers surged ahead, picking up 6 points, 4 assists, and setting teammates up as they got to the line in the third. Jamal Crawford helped seal the win in the fourth as Russell Westbrook (19 points, 10 assists) and Kevin Durant (33 points, 10 assists) did everything they could to pull the Thunder back into it.

  • Add a Comment
  • Share
  • RSS

Tags: , , , , , ,

  • LLC#12

    Hiring a first time coach to coach a team that maybe only has a 1 year window was not a great idea at all. But they can’t fire Kidd without having egg on their faces, so we’ll just have to see what happens.

    That game by Pau is what I was hoping to see a lot more often. Toronto fans are probably thinking the same about Bargs’

  • shockexchange

    The ejections of Matt Barnes (0 pts) and Ibaka (13 pts) was a “net win” for the Clippers. In the Shock Exchange’s opinion, it was their modus operandi all along http://clicky.me/7l3G . “Hello Clippers”

  • Saleem Rainman

    So, where are all those people blowing the John Wall is gonna be a superstar this year trumpet? His stats are on the same level as when he was a rookie (Still) , with even lower shooting percentages (higher % on 3 though, but what does that say about his 2 pt attempts?) and his team is severely underachieving. I know its early, but good grief.

  • spit hot fiyah

    i was saying the exact same thing about kidd this summer, except is said 2 year window. lakeshow disagreed. so far i’m winning that argument.

  • spit hot fiyah

    so the greek dude is plastic man 2.0?

    who caught jeff taylors reverse on the celtics?

    they can trade harden now that linsanity is back right?

  • Enigmatic

    “We can get paper longer than Antetokounmpo’s arms!” – Jay-Z

  • http://soundcloud.com/tray-8 T-Ray

    Few things:
    1.The Nets are just God awful. There really is no excuse for how bad they are playing.
    2.The Bucks are terrible. Just dreadful.
    3.Why do the Nuggets want to trade Faried for Iman? He might have changed their minds last night.
    4.Still don’t think the Clippers will be any better than they have been the last 2 years.
    5.Yet again the Spurs are quietly taking care of business and bulldozing everyone in their way.
    6.Kyrie Irving has yet to show me why he was listed as a top 10 player in this year’s Top 50 list.
    7.Twolves are probably the most exciting team to watch next to the Warriors.

  • spit hot fiyah

    3. those trade talks are off they say

  • guest

    8. Go Jazz.

  • http://soundcloud.com/tray-8 T-Ray

    I just saw. I figured they would be especially after last night.

  • http://soundcloud.com/tray-8 T-Ray

    Hooray! They don’t completely suck.

  • guest

    They still kind do. But still…go Jazz!

  • Stepfan Raiford

    OKC still so careless with the basketball. All these turnovers are getting old. You would have thought this would have been cleared up by now. How long has this team been together?

  • Stepfan Raiford

    Totally agree with number 7. T-wolves and Golden State automatic league pass teams.

  • http://soundcloud.com/tray-8 T-Ray

    This is my first time having it and I love it so far in large part to those two teams.

  • spit hot fiyah

    or name

  • CKLOH

    The issue with Memphis was John Hollinger as soon as the stooge assumed the VP role.

  • Slick Ric

    Totally over-achieved last year and missed Rudy Gay against the Spurs.

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    Denver turned it down yesterday because New York wasn’t offering any picks

  • Sérgio

    Rudy Gay was horrible against Houston the other day, but his performance wasn’t “one of the worst shooting performances in history”. Lillard’s 1-15 was much worse.

    25 points on 27 shots is not good, but I’d like to see this agression from Gasol more often. He has to shoot a lot while Kobe is out.

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    You guys jump to conclusions too early into the season.
    .
    Every season.

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    Right here. Still think he puts it together. He’s why they were in that game last night if you watched it. He just left early after getting popped in the eye

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    they made the conference finals with that stooge…..largely thanks to a trade he orchestrated.

  • http://soundcloud.com/tray-8 T-Ray

    Ahh sounds reasonable. I didn’t think they were going to just trade Faried and Iman straight up.

  • Stepfan Raiford

    Great investment

  • Brett Weisband

    List of games of 30+ FGA, FG% < 30%: http://bit.ly/1csrLFR
    That's some rareified air. Err, bricks.

  • Max

    Wow, Tony Wroten really must have been f*cking around..

  • spit hot fiyah

    i was thinking about you as i read Saleem’s comment

  • spit hot fiyah

    another memphis bench guy….

  • Max

    Even had the highest FGA out of the whole list, only the great Damon Stoudamire matched him.

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    yeah, i’m not afraid to admit if i am wrong. i don’t at all think 7 games into the season with a coach who severely needs to be fired is a good time to be drawing these conclusions tho. so i’ll just admit what i said, and be patient before i declare anything.

  • CKLOH

    No, they made the WCF with Lionel Hollins. The team established its identity well before Hollinger/Prince arrived.

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    really? they were a top 2 defense before they got Tayshun Prince?
    .
    or not.
    .
    You know Rudy Gay led the Grizzlies in Field Goal Attempts every year for the last 3 years? You think that helps the team….having him shoot more than Zach Randolph? You think the offense was better or worse with Rudy Gay? (please don’t tell me you think it was actually better…..that would be embarassing).

  • CKLOH

    Of course not, but Rudy Gay would have become infinitely more useful during the Playoffs as a tertiary option. Regardless of hypotheticals, Randolph averaged one more shot attempt per game over the course of the Playoffs than he did during a regular season which he was supposedly suppressed by Rudy Gay’s trigger finger… And it was Randolph’s odd WCF which cost Memphis a trip to the NBA Finals.

    Prince is one the best defensive players in the NBA’s history, but the Clippers’ implosion & Westbrook’s injury would have happened with or without Rudy Gay on the Memphis Grizzlies. And at 32, T.P. was not better than a 26-year old R.G., one of the few players in the League who can match well with LeBron James.

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    if they kept Rudy Gay, they wouldn’t have won as many regular season games as they did. Thus they would have had a worse seed in the playoffs, and an even worse shot at advancing.

    .

    and no, Rudy Gay doesn’t improve your chances of winning in the playoffs. defense wins in the playoffs, not inefficient scorers with eye popping athleticism.

    .

    and yes, Zach Randolph “only” shot one more shot in the playoffs then in the regular season, but that’s not the point. Rudy doesn’t take high % shots, and he leads the team in attempts ….. which means he is more likely to put a defensive rebound into the hands of the other team, while he and his teammates are out of position because he just attempted a bad 20 footer with nobody in position to rebound or get back. You don’t understand the concept of “bad shots” ? is that what you are saying?

    .

    and did you really just say that Rudy Gay matches well with LeBron James? do you want to click this link http://www.basketball-reference.com/play-index/h2h_finder.cgi?request=1&p1=jamesle01&p2=gayru01 and then edit your comment? that would be an intelligent decision.

  • CKLOH

    The game slows down during the playoffs, as you are well aware, and Gasol/Randolph would have become Memphis’ logical commitment through necessity.

    Gay’s contested, >>>expiring-shot-clock<<< attempts would not have happened as often in the Playoffs since the initial focus would have been given to the aforementioned bigs, as is common for a starless team employing many otherwise exceptional players whose best are, in fact, those posts.

    I see five games of fourteen wherein Gay was truly dominated while playing a similar amount of minutes and being allocated similar shot attempts. Being crushed merely 36% of the time by one of the best players in basketball (the best from 2011-Present) is actually quite impressive.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GRC2_CqQrek

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    here, let’s just make this really simple.
    .
    Memphis has won (3) playoff series in the last (3)!! years. how many has Rudy Gay played in?
    .
    When Memphis beat San Antonio in a playoff series….did Rudy Gay play?
    .
    When Memphis lost to the Clippers in a playoffs series….did Rudy Gay play?
    .
    When Memphis beat the Clippers in a playoff series…..did Rudy Gay play?
    .
    ALL evidence says the team is better….both in the regular season, and the playoffs, without Rudy Gay. ALL evidence.

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    and Rudy Gay’s team winning 36% of the time is cool and everything. but you said Gay specifically can hang with LeBron James. And Gay specifically, has been outplayed by LeBron in 14 of 14 games.

  • Saleem Rainman

    ayy man, i wasnt referring to u specifically, but big ups to admit when ur wrong (so far at least), but like i said, its still early, but it really isnt looking all that great atm for him or the team. Do you think they can turn it around before its too late and no use ?(like them playing.500 to end the year last year)

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    Wittman needs to go. That’s the first domino that needs to fall for Washington to turn it around. His offensive system specifically is a total f*cking mess. probably the most unappealing offense to watch in the league.

  • CKLOH

    Pau Gasol has never won a series as The Man either, yet that is by no means an indictment.

    My original statement simply expressed my concern that Hollinger saw Moneyball and wanted to be the man to do that for basketball. Beginning of the season or not, he simply is not the right man for the job and his decision to fire Hollins, who truly led Memphis to the WCF last season, was simply the harbinger of further deterioration. Or so I expect.

  • Caboose

    I have no idea what Wittman thinks offense looks like, but passing around the perimeter while the big guys change places isn’t it.

  • Caboose

    Kevin Love is easily the best outlet passer in the League. It helps that the wings just know to sprint and Love will find them.

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    HE DIDN’T FIRE HOLLINS. you guys just assume because Hollinger got a job in the front office that he’s making these decisions? he is the VICE president of basketball operations. He makes about as many front office decisions as you do.
    .
    And Hollins wanted out, he bashed the Rudy Gay trade from the jump (even though he was blatantly wrong) he never let it go either. he had a problem with analytics (because he’s an old dog who doesn’t understand the need to learn new tricks) and he really was unimaginative and horrible at making in game adjustments. If Hollins wasn’t going to get his way, he really didn’t want to keep the job, he also thought he would be a hot commodity if he became free from Memphis…..too bad for him, everyone else around the league front office wise, sees these glaring issues with having him run your team.

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    right? it looks like a hi-low motion offense that is designed to beat zone defenses……when nobody is playing a zone against them.

  • CKLOH

    Other than those several games I mentioned, other than attempting fewer shots, fewer free throws (app. 3:1 margin, it seems), and being a naturally inferior playmaker, Gay was similarly effective at rebounding and was superior defensively to LeBron (the latter’s 51, 43, etc notwithstanding, hahaha).

  • CKLOH

    The players’ opinions are more important than the executives’ from an on-the-court perspective.

    How does one jump to conclusion in this regard when ESPN’s champion of analytics, who bashed RG for years, suddenly arrives and within months, not only is the bashee removed, but his staunchest supporter as well? What a leap!

    Titles aside, Memphis hired Hollinger for one purpose: advice. He has evidently given it, and Memphis is reaping its reward: one run to the end of the conference and subsequent mediocrity.

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    superior defensively? based on what? .3 steals and .3 blocks? what about the whole he shot 11% worse from the field issue? i mean, if anything says who the better defender was, it’s usually no the one who let the other guy shoot 53% from the floor……
    .
    fewer shots….LeBron shot more shots, at an 11% higher clip…LOL, think harder maybe.
    .
    and free throws, LeBron shot more free throws, but that should be a crutch for Rudy Gay? LeBron shooting more free throws makes Rudy Gay look “better” ? is there a more high % shot then free throws that Rudy Gay is getting or something? Does LeBron getting in the paint and getting fouled make Rudy Gay look like a better or worse defender, with that being said?
    .
    think harder….plz.

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    what? Hollinger definitely orchestrated the Rudy Gay trade. Do you not know what “front office decisions” mean? Lionel Hollins being ousted as coach, and Rudy Gay being traded were not part of the same decision making process …. at all.
    .
    Since Hollinger got to Memphis, both the teams win/loss record and cap situation have improved.
    .
    you are drawing conclusions 8 games into an 82 game season. You think 8 years into your 80 year life your parents should have just written you off as a failure? or would that have been a premature conclusion?

  • LakeShow

    While, Giannis Antetokounmpo (no I didn’t spell that out) wingspan is incredible, it’s an inch shorter than Kevin Durants. The first thing that google shows is “Giannis Antetokounmpo has worlds longest wingspan.” Except… for another guy in the same L he plays in. lol

    “Starting PG Jordan Crawford” I honestly never, ever thought i’d hear those words. Let alone see it fulfill itself. He actually is doing okay surprisingly…

    You notice how good of a rebounder Kevin Love is when he only snags 8 and your thoroughly disappointed in him.

    Corey Brewer has been very nice for the Wolves so far this year. He’s averaging 15 ppg on 11 shots with 2 assists 2 rebounds and 2 steals. Hopefully the Wolves can keep getting this type of production from their whole crew. Nice win for the Wolves without Martin.

    Carmelo needs to get his crap together. He hasn’t had a very good year so far. 23ppg on 21 shots is just not going to cut it. His boards, assists and steals are all above average, but his scoring, his best asset, is not looking as solid.

    Bargnani had another nice game for the Knicks with the 20-11.

    There was allot of positives to the Lakers game despite the loss. The team is working together and has good chemistry. They are reliant on great outside shooting right now in order to win games, which obviously isn’t preferable. Blake is a much better PG than Nash now. He should start the rest of the games at point unless Nashty has a miracle later on in the season.

    Jordan Hill has blossomed in the starting role. He is averaging 15 boards per 36 mins this year. Currently at 18mpg his averages of 9 points and 8 boards is quite impressive. Averaging 28mpg in his last two games as a starter he is putting up 20 points, 13 boards, a dime, 1.5 thefts, and 2 blocks in that time. Impressive.

    Another guy that impressed last night was Wes Johnson. He shot the ball well and nabbed 3 steals to go with his 5 blocks. Very, very nice for a small forward that some people think shouldn’t even be in the L.

    There is no reason for Kevin Garnett to be averaging 6ppg. The Net’s need to figure out what they are doing. Losing to the Kings badly is not a good look.

    Demarcus Cousins fouled out in 21mins too…

    Another bright spot for the Kings continues to shine: Isaiah Thomas put up 19-6-6 in 25 mis last night.

    The Clips and OKC was a fun one. Matt Barnes is an important cog to a team. That guy puts his neck on the line for his team mates. I respect that.

  • LakeShow

    Agreed on Gasol needing to be aggressive man.

  • LakeShow

    I don’t think he means he gets the better of LeBron James, but rather that Gay plays well against LeBron.

    Which judging by those stats he does better than his average, when playing LeBron.

  • LakeShow

    It’s not an issue of chemistry or anything, but rather than KD, and Russ are just TO prone.

  • Caboose

    You know that play you learned in 4th grade to beat a 2-3 zone? Where 1-3 float around the wings, the 5 roams high post, and the 4 switches in the short corner? It reminds me of that. With less structure.

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    Lol that is literally the foundation of a hi-lo offense bud

  • Caboose

    Yeah, but most coaches add, ya know, stuff to it. Not Wittman.

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    most coaches aren’t running this set at all against an NBA level man defense is what i’m saying lol. not from the foundation, to it’s most complicated variety of plays.

  • pposse

    i’ve been rooting for Brewer since he came out of Florida always thought he could have been a Scottie Pippen type ball player if he played alongside a superstar, that window has probably passed but he is playing solid now. And it doesn’t look like Matt Barnes will be putting his neck out on the line anymore for his teammates….

  • pposse

    After Barnes left the court, he sent this tweet from the locker room, which was later taken down because it included an epithet and a curse word: “I love my teammates like family, but I’m DONE standing up for these …! All this … does is cost me money.”

  • Caboose

    True.

  • Caboose

    Deron Williams needs to wake the f*ck up.

  • LakeShow

    I really thought he’d be having a resurrection season. Hello, D-Will? You there?

  • Tarzan Cooper

    spurs win, again.

  • The Fury

    C’mon Caboose, I know you just forgot Duncan right?

  • Max

    You just said Rudy Gay > TP?

  • CKLOH

    Rudy Gay is unquestionably better than the past two seasons’-worth of Tayshaun Prince.

  • CKLOH

    Yes. That’s what I meant.

  • CKLOH

    They don’t guard each other 100% of the time. Not even 50% of them time. I’m glad you can also list numbers, though.

  • CKLOH

    They were part of the same rhetoric, which was instilled by Hollinger and was thus Hollinger’s brainchild.

    Memphis has been playing erratically since the beginning of the preseason. That’s sixteen games. I’ll remind you when they’re still playing like this after sixty, btw.

  • Max

    Oh my bad, I tought u meant Tony Parker by TP lol
    I tought u were crazy haha

  • CKLOH

    Not to that degree, hahaha

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    I’m aware of that. Just trying to draw a direct representation of why it’s nonsense to say gay was ever in his career a better defender. And even if they never guarded each other, it still doesn’t mean because of % points in blocks and steals, that someone is a better defender…

  • CKLOH

    Before James began to commit fully to his (media-enhanced) capacities for defence in 2011 or so, Gay was a better defender for a couple of seasons (2008-2010). imo

    Sorry for the acronymical rhyme.

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    Lol “media enhanced”

  • CKLOH

    Best help defender in the NBA & an overrated individual defender unless while defending a point guard who cannot shoot consistently or an anonymous non-factor.

    Second-best defender in the NBA, as voted by the media? Not even jokingly close.

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    Lol oh ok. That sounds like a very educated opinion. Must watch him and everyone in the league all the time to come up with that analyses.

  • CKLOH

    *analysis

    Anyway, some obvious names: Tony Allen, Roy Hibbert, Kawhi Leonard, Paul George, Andre Iguodala, & Anthony Davis.

    I’m not saying James isn’t élite, but there are many who are better than he is.

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    Roy Hibbert and Anthony Davis? I mean you can argue the other 4 sure, and I guess you could argue the effect Hibbert has, assuming he’s not guarding any big with foot speed, but to say him and Davis are better overall defenders is just ignorant. I’m sure Davis will get there eventually, but Hibbert is just nowhere close. He’s a good rim protector / post defender though, right now probably the best in the league. But that is his one and only above average skill defensively. Regardless, LeBron did better in one on one situations last season then everyone in the league except Andre Iguodala (points per possession) – so the argument that he is the best, considering even you think he’s the best help defender, is anything but “media enhanced” — if anything, by many, like yourself, he is closer to underrated. Especially considering he guards the best player on opposing teams with the game is on the line, positions 1-4. Pretty hard to argue against his overall value or who he’s guarding.

  • CKLOH

    LOL

    I could care less if he held Option Four to five points for thirty-five minutes. A good example of that plan backfiring is the 52-11-9 game he had against the Knicks a few seasons ago. Guess what his cover, Al Harrington scored. If you said “37 points, mostly because LeBron is a mediocre individual defender and the Knicks exploited it, CKLOH”, you’d be irrefutably correct.

    James guards good players at the end of games, but he is, say, seven-possessions-of-ten incapable of containing them in front (ie: Bryant, Durant, Melo, Deng, George, Jeff Green, etc; hell, I’ve watched LeBron James struggle against Andre Iguodala). Three good players who James covers well are Derrick Rose, Tony Parker, and Paul Pierce. Notice how they all stopped going off “on LeBron” AFTER he joined Miami? Ludicrous to think that James’ overall defence improved when he joined teammates who excel/excelled at it, eh?

    It’s ok to admit that he has faults, man. Offensively, he cannot dribble effectively while contested & defensively, he’s a mediocre individual defender unless it’s against an arc-challenged wing or an offenseless post. It doesn’t make him incapable of tearing off Raptors’ heads for easy 35-8-8′s. Those flaws are simply the few remaining improvements he can make to his game (though his dribbling will, inherently due to his frame, not equal the likes of Paul, Wade, Bryant, Rondo, etc)

    Hibbert is a better defender than James for the same reasons why Duncan and Gasol were superior last season. This is not aerospace engineering.

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    ,

    http://www.82games.com/0809/08CLE9.HTM

    2008-09, LeBron James, counterpoint PER at SF = 13.6, for 17 points per 48 minutes with an effective field goal % of .482 (which is .014 points less efficient then Monta Ellis was last season, for reference). So it’s awesome that you remember random games like the MSG game, but in terms of consistency and actual facts, you couldn’t be anymore off base. The guy has been elite, as an a individual defender for at least 5 years now. And when it comes to comparing him to say Rudy Gay and saying Gay was a better defender, well, the evidence, from let’s just use 2008-09 for example, http://www.82games.com/0809/08MEM8.HTM says the exact opposite. In fact, it says Rudy Gay gave up a little less than he gave, at a more efficient clip. it’s just pretty hard to plead that case. Unless the “best help defender in the league” being a better individual defender as well, in relation to stats, expert opinion(a), and every other point of contention….is irrelevant because your opinion and memory of a few nationally televised games outweighs all that. Which, I don’t think it does. .
    - regarding Hibbert, you can just actually read what I said. Reading is fundamental. No need to compare anything to aerospace engineering as long as you have a 9th grade reading level. “…. you can argue the effect Hibbert has …” There is a difference between “better defender” and “more effective/valuable” it’s just like your misplaced LeBron argument, Hibbert is great. But a lot of that is thanks to his elite defensive teammates and the luxury of not needing to guard any quick skilled bigs for longer than a handful of minutes each game. Arguing effect is fine, but it’s a hard position to keep consistent about.

  • CKLOH

    Guarding whom? Shawne Williams? Andrei Kirilenko? Evan Turner? Impressive feats to quell such devastating, inveterate scorers (amongst others, I’m sure). The MSG game was a microcosm of his defence at the time, which has improved slightly. I never wrote that he had yet to improve individually, but transcending nothing to mediocrity is a pretty basic evolution. Next time you watch a non-nationally televised Heat game, take note of how willing ballhandlers are to drive against James. It’s hilarious.

    In ’08-’09, LeBron had to guard three truly élite SFs: Kevin Durant, Paul Pierce, and Carmelo Anthony (aside: who was robbed of a win in NY by the officials last night, twice; once, when it was 91-93, and again when he took the continuation three). Locking down fourth options isn’t impressive.

    As for Hibbert/James: You can take the more versatile defender and I’ll take the best defender and we’ll see who wins more games of two-on-two. In fact, we’re watching what having the better defender of the two is capable of anchoring right now: an unblemished record. “Quality” v. “Effect” is the most idiotic argument I’ve ever read. It’s an argument someone resorts to when they cannot defend their main stance. If you are better, you have a greater effect and are thus more valuable. It’s as simple as that, nbk.

    “But a lot of that is thanks to his élite defensive teammates”… what? So, LeBron doesn’t call Dwyane Wade, Shane Battier, Udonis Haslem, Chris Bosh, and Mario Chalmers “teammates”?

  • Mike From Spain
  • Mike From Spain

    Love’s outlet passing is so damn good right now, I cannot see Duncan topping him. I mean right now, perhaps he did in the past.

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    Lol

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    I’m supposed to take your argument seriously and you think Durant came in the league some time after 2009? He was drafted in 2007. Your arguments come off as extremely ignorant. Or at minimum, grossly based on a broken memory. .
    Better vs Effect, let’s make it simple, explain how Anthony Davis is better than LeBron in your opinion, seeing you skate around the effect argument. Come on guy who clearly knows what he’s talking about, tell me?

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    Carmelo Anthony vs LeBron James, 2008-09

    (11-13-2008) — Carmelo Anthony, 18 points on 5-12 shooting with 6 turnovers in a loss

    (12-19-2008) — Carmelo Anthony, 13 points on 5-14 shooting, 5 turnovers and a loss.

    dope that you edited your comment to include Durant though,

    “In ’08-’09, LeBron had to guard three truly élite SFs: Kevin Durant, Paul Pierce, and Carmelo Anthony (aside: who was robbed of a win in NY by the officials last night, twice; once, when it was 91-93, and again when he took the continuation three). Locking down fourth options isn’t impressive.”

    want to edit it again to help make you look less ignorant?

  • guest

    well thought out and well said.

  • CKLOH

    Thank you.

  • CKLOH

    I cannot correct a mistake? My deepest, most humble apologies, O Reverent Messiah of SLAMonline!

    Anthony didn’t get going until Billups was completely integrated into the system and was being guarded predominantly by Anthony Parker during both games. At least you tried your best, champ.

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    First of all, Anthony Parker wasn’t even on the f*cking Cavaliers that season you jackass. If you are going to guess, at least google the roster so you don’t look like a complete moron.

    sure, correct your mistake. in an argument based on memory down to pretty minute details, correct your mistake about whether or not Kevin Durant was even in the NBA. That sort of mistake is totally irrelevant in the context of this argument, so you should just erase that mistake and leave no trace of it.
    .
    are you worried someone other than us is reading this or something? hate to break it to you, but this conversation is totally just a waste of time….saving face is not necessary.

  • CKLOH

    It doesn’t matter when Durant entered the League. He was doing whatever he wanted to against James as a rookie. It actually enhances my main argument, but thanks for pouncing on nothing.

    Skating around something isn’t explaining that same thing in common English. Alas, if you want me to complexify matters: as a second-year NBA player, Davis covers an equidistant sum of court, mans the paint more EFFECTIVELY, & plays passing lanes better. Just because LeBron leaks out after Chalmers or Haslem gets a steal and dunks it or blocks someone as the tertiary help defender does not make him a better individual defender (unless his opposition is perimetre-challenged or a scrub, then he’s the best).

    A, B, C, D, E, F, G, H, I, J, K, L, M, N, O, P, Q, R, S, T, U, V, W, X, Y, Z. That’s the alphabet. You can recite it as easily as James’ individual defensive shortcomings are evident.

    Are you William Wesley?

  • CKLOH

    That’s inarguably worse… I looked at film from both games in 2008, and saw a bald, light-skinned guy. You mean to tell me that LeBron needed Sasha Pavlovic to guard Carmelo Anthony? You’re helping me while arguing against me.

    I was off by one season, psychopath. Go back to your room and twiddle with some McFarlane NBA player replicas.

    I want to provide my best possible argument possible since you are an excellent debater. If that means editing a mistake, so be it.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YlkeKbStexE

  • CKLOH
  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    you don’t get it do you? i am not basing my argument on youtube footage, i actually watched the games. i watch most games. i am not over here guessing. and i’m not going to entertain your argument when you are basing what you are saying off of you retroactively looking at highlights.

    .

    you clearly don’t know what you are talking about. and you also clearly don’t live in the United States, so am i really supposed to believe that you have been watching all of these games on a consistent basis, dating all the way back to before 2009? really?

    .

    LeBron is an elite defender. I don’t care if you don’t think he’s the best, i don’t either, but he’s in the conversation. And he’s always been better than Rudy freaking Gay on that end. Which is where this whole collection of nonsense came from.

  • CKLOH

    Have you ever heard of First Row Sports? The internet? Watching game film isn’t watching highlights. I can tell you’re from the US because your reading comprehension is evidently well below-standard.

    I’ve wasted more time with the NBA than I care to admit.

    Not always, on an individual basis. Once more, with feeling: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HoapnIg3nLI

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    Kevin Durant scoring well on LeBron proves what? that Kevin Durant scores well on everyone?
    .
    Davis has less of an effect on his team than LeBron. (the Pelicans defense was actually 0.9 points better per 48 minutes on defense without Anthony Davis compared to with – while Miami was more than 3 points better per 48 minutes on defense with LeBron on the court, despite being 11 points better and playing at a faster overall pace). Davis also gives up an opponent PER of 21.1 at Power Forward, and 21.1 at Center, while LeBron is as stated, 12.7 at small forward, and 17.2 at Power Fowarward. — aka, LeBron has a greater effect on his team on defense, and also does better job of guarding his position.
    .
    you don’t know what you are talking about. but i’m happy you are able to google the alphabet. good work.

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    yes i have, can you tell me how long first row sports has been around? where are you seeing game film? how come your opinion (which is an opinion, you haven’t offered one fact, not even of the opinion variety yet) is so consistently wrong, while you insist on acting like you remember what you are talking about? i mean, blatantly and utterly wrong. might as well just write, “i’m guessing that….” at the beginning of every rebuttal.

    “I can tell you’re from the US because your reading comprehension is evidently well below-standard.”

    am i supposed to keep entertaining your opinion as intelligent after that? my reading comprehension is the problem because i’ve what, called you out for being ignorant?….the problem isn’t you throwing out false facts? you relying on a highlight tape again about a nationally televised game (more evidence you don’t watch more than what’s easily available to you in your country) and then guessing at who you are seeing is something i’m supposed to excuse? let’s put it like this, i find you to be misinformed, and arrogant to the point of rendering yourself stupid. which must totally boil your blood, since i’m an american, and we are all illiterate morons. keep enjoying our sports and media though, those morons really don’t know what they are doing, holding your such superior attention.

  • CKLOH

    If I really need to explain how many avenues have proliferated to obtain access to media since 2000, you’re on your own, kid.

    An opinion on these matters is all that I offered, and all that you deserve of my time.

    “…holding your such superior attention.” Yikes. Still in remedial high school, I take it?

    http://www.cfr.org/education/us-education-slipping-ranks-worldwide-earns-poor-grades-cfr-scorecard/p30939

    Please, refresh my broken memory: Where was Naismith born? You know, the guy whose sport provided a multi-billion dollar boon to the collective economies of nations worldwide?

    I respect America, for the most part. I just don’t respect condescending imbeciles who are not intelligent enough to use their brains because of an evidently inconsistent educational foundation and subsequently rely on Basketball Reference statistics to compensate.

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    lol, you are really worried about my grammar, does proper grammar really = intelligence in your mind? Canadians are funny. i love that you guys claim basketball because the creator of it was born there. where it was invented? where it was first played? “irrelevant, the man had canadian veins!” oh well, at least you guys finally have some talent to be proud of, talent that was actually born there (that matters right?) —> speaking of talent being born places, you aren’t bragging about Steve Nash as the great Canadian are you? i mean he was born in South Africa, and this is important…right?

  • CKLOH

    Naw, a Canadian standard of intelligence is embodied by the likes of Tommy Douglas, Stephen Cornish, Alice Munro, Scott Cairns, and thousands of others.

    Well, since Nash considers himself a Canadian, I guess that makes you an idiot, doesn’t it?

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    LOL, oh! well that makes sense.
    .
    you do realize i didn’t actually give my opinion of Nash don’t you? talk about reading comprehension, i would have had to offer up an opinion based on my own perspective for you to even try and insult my intelligence without looking a little too sensitive. i was just asking you a question based on your own argument about basketball being canadian (like it really means something even if it were invented in Canada? is it supposed to mean something to take credit for a sport that your country is traditionally terrible at?) because of where it’s creator was born. not that i actually care what you consider Steve Nash, just poking fun at your intelligence. but judging by your reaction, i failed, you didn’t understand……or wait

  • CKLOH

    You called basketball one of America’s sports. It, inherently, is not.

    Comparing a player to an inventor is another reflection of your curse. Completely unique contexts, champ. Nash is Canadian the way basketball is, also, Canadian. You need me to to list the alphabet for you again?

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    it inherently is not?

    .

    Under orders from Dr. Luther Gulick, head of Springfield YMCA Physical Education, Naismith was given 14 days to create an indoor game that would provide an “athletic distraction”: Gulick demanded that it would not take up much room, could help its track athletes to keep in shape and explicitly emphasized to “make it fair for all players and not too rough.”

    .
    it, inherently was created by a canadian, while working for an American organization, under the orders of an American, while in America. it’s inventor was canadian. but the invention itself, is and was “american” — which is why the HOF is in Springfield, the same place where the first game was played.
    .
    inherently, like all things created in the United States, it is american. but if it’s so important to you, go ahead and pretend canada is basketballs homeland.

  • CKLOH

    HaHaHaHa!

    “James, can you think of an indoor sport that doesn’t involve hitting?”

    “Certainly!”

    “Great, thanks. Whatever you concoct is actually ours, though.”

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    man you still don’t get it……i’m not actually comparing a player to an inventor. (it would be “invention” anyway, reading police are about to revoke your canadian citizenship, you are making your people look like americans!). i was just joking with you.

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    intelligent response.

  • CKLOH

    Thank you.

Advertisement