Top 50: Derrick Rose, no. 12

I keep telling yall this dude JT dont have anything flying man.

Charges are good.
Flops are horrible.
Nash walks the line. He really walks the line.
And I agree that neither he nor Dirk really “want” to play great defense. That’s been my theory forever. I just think it’s strange how that isn’t seen are more of a problem, you know?

allenp agreed nash knows ppl diss him bout his d but his d has only improvd slightly over the years

ppl keep bringing up the 2008 series when rose was a rookie and STILL was killing despite rondo geat series BUT no one brings up the fact that the past few times ive seen rose and rondo on the same court rose has torchd him….and it wasnt even close

@JTaylor21 – Yeah, I see what you mean. I know you’re not a big Dwight Howard fan, but ya gotta admit, at least he’s one of those dudes that’ll attempt to block a shot.

so, BRoy is next.

Good point–but playoffs?

Great to see Allenp showing this tread how to construct and shoot down arguments. While BC use the ‘eye’ test, better get them Urkels on next time because what you saw was not what happened. Rondo owned Rose in that series. Now the gap is smaller and they are pretty even in my eyes. Rose better at getting his, scoring and Rondo more or less better at everything else, with a huge lead on D. Rose is very good and has huge potential and as a Bulls’ fan this is great. He is however still overrated. I most def think he’ll be one of the best PG’s in the L (he is really close now), but players like Nash, Rondo, Westbrook are still at the same level or better. Those praising Rose’s Olympic showing and especially D; don’t forget that Westbrook played the bulk of the minutes in the later rounds because his D was way better than Rose’s (also the reason that those two are closer than most people will admit). I hope Rose shows that he merits this ranking this season, still think it is a little too high (15-20 about right.

@Seed: If that was supposed to be a rap, that stuff was real weak. BOOK IT!

That’s exactly what I was thinking, the R. Kelly song Ignition

@Lz: And you call yourself a Bulls fan. Ha! Anyway, show praise if you must, but it was still not proven by how Rondo abused DRose. The numbers don’t support it and towards the end, the argument became very disjointed. So I stand by my reasoning. Stats, eye test, whatever… Rose gave as good as he got and if rebounding and assists are all anyone has to go on without taking other obvious basketball related factors into consideration, then the argument was and is wack.

I’m not sure about anyone else, but where I’m from (Chicago) when you say someone got abused on the basketball court, rebounds and assists never factor into the equation. It’s ALWAYS about who scored the most points.

Rose is not fringe top-10. The best he’s been able to do is a first-round exit. In my opinion that does not merit a #12 ranking. He’s certainly top 20, however he shouldn’t be this high.

@JT21: Word? You ever heard of Bo Lester? What does he do? How did he make his name in the NO? If there is a basketball city where someone is given props for “abusing” someone without taking points into consideration, then that’s a place where the basketball and the players are both low-level. If you outscore your man while making it difficult for him to get his, that’s abuse. Not two guys averaging the same number of points, which then causes the argument to have to switch to who had the most points and rebounds. That’s wack where I’m from.

Around here its about winning. If you win, you can say whatever you want. If you lose you lose.

BCrawford, of course I know who McCalebb is but don’t act like dude’s game speaks for the entire NO. Also I’m not talking about just assists and rebounds because that sh*t would be hard to keep track of but it just not about scoring the most points. You can abuse a guy with shutdown D, be a beast on the boards or just kill them with filthy passes. Like till this day I remember this dude that used to dominate/abuse with his court vision but can’t remember dudes that abused people with their scoring.

@bryan crawford..Rondo dindt abuse Rose by almost averaging a tripdubb and Rose didnt also by scoring a lot in that game 1…its a fun matchup and Rose has more “potencial” but today Rajon´s the better player…only thing Rose does better as a PG is scoring while in every other area Rondo´s still better..that might not be the case a year from now BUT THATS THE SECOND TIER AFTER DWILL AND CP3, so he got ways to go before getting there.

@Trailblazing: Rose didn’t just score a lot in game 1, he scored a lot practically the whole series. Check his stats. And I’m still not convinced as everyone else as to how good Rondo really is. I think he’s very fortunate, but that’s about it…

your talking about an ish that’s 2 YEARS OLD! Who cares iuf Rose abused Rondo or otherwise in 2009? (Although it was one heck of a series, no doubt to that)…

We’re thinking about this next season as a whole, and I bet, Rose is more important to his team and will develop more than Rondo is/will, since it is only his (Rose’S) third year in the L, while Rondo slowly but steadily enters what we may call his “Prime” at which he is a great defender and playmaker but a weeeeeak jumpshooter…

So who’s better: Depends on what you need on your Fantasy League Team. I personally would choose Rose, simply because I think at the point you need a strong but unselfish offensive force, just gives you more options, when he can go inside, shoot from midrange – maybe even from deep, if DRose really starts working hard on his 3s – OR pass – the latter only if given the right teammates no flip murrays or hinrichs.
But measuring this on stats from over a season ago (and with one of them being a rookie and the other one also only in his second postseason) is just plain trolling…

actually it is one of the reasons why rose is 15-20 to me, cuz so many good pgs with tons of potential out there. i do consider him really good, so 12 is borderline acceptable, just not an inch higher than that, when considering the other young pgs talents and capabilities.. cp3 and dwill still got something to prove, have played longer in this league and are accustomed to playing at a higher level, which is why they are considered at the top of the list at the moment

^I call Bullsh*t on that!! CP’s theme song this season should be Roy Jones’ “Yall Must Have Forgot”.

The Heat vs Moscow game just ended and I will be the first to say that CB1 will be the most important and valuable heat this season. Wade/Bron will get the most headlines and attention (rightfully so) but if the Heat win the chip this season Bosh will be one of the BIGGEST reasons. Dude’s midrange is TOP-5 in terms of PF and is an absolute beast on the boards.

The debate between AllenP and BCrawford just reminded me of the Zone D – Hand check D debate. KKdToro and a waste of time. BCrawford, I like u man but come on, I know u like ChiTown and all, but u r supposed 2 b a journalist (r u?) Sometimes u r so biaised that it gets ridiculous…
Plus u r Slam personnel and I expect u 2 b kid of a moderator and not follow some commentors (like Eboy, my man JT21) in the gutter of insults and personal attacks were they sometimes go…
Anyway, just my opinion and I do believe that at this point, DRose and RR are not in the same league. RR is a good (sometimes great) PG, 2nd to 3rd man in a very talented and well managed team, while DRose is a franchise player.

Rondo did not abuse Rose, All Crawford is trying to say is that Rose held his own even though he was outplayed, but rondo played on the better team who had MUCH better team defense that was able to contain rose on some occasions, but he was a rookie and still held his own.

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