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Monday, November 7th, 2011 at 12:40 pm  |  97 responses

Kevin Durant Finds the NBA Lockout ‘Sickening’


by Marcel Mutoni / @marcel_mutoni

Negotiations between owners and players have gone from ugly to near disastrous over the last few days.

There’s an ultimatum on the table from the League, which players are not too thrilled with (shocking, I know), and there’s no telling where things will stand once the NBA-imposed Wednesday deadline comes and goes.

Kevin Durant maintains that players will stand strong despite the NBA’s bullying tactics, and when asked for his thoughts about the current lockout, he didn’t hold back.

Durant spoke after playing in LaMarcus Aldridge’s charity game last night in Portland.

The Oregonian reports:

The show was a respite from the NBA lockout, which hit its 129th day Sunday. But the work stoppage was an unavoidable shadow over the game, which after all, would not have happened had the league’s owners not locked out the players on July 1 … Players expressed varying degrees of emotion about the lockout. Lakers guard Steve Blake – the former Blazer who still lives in Portland – said when asked about his views on the lockout talks, “I have no comments on that.”

Then he repeated the same phrase twice more to other lockout questions before adding, “I love basketball, and I’m playing tonight, so I’m happy about that.”

The event’s biggest national star, [Kevin] Durant (who scored 31 of his game-high 47 points in the second half), had stronger comments. “Sickening, man, just sickening,” he said of the latest developments. “Us players, we’ve sacrificed, we gave up money. We did what we have to do, now it’s on the owners. It looks like they’re not going to give in.”

With the 2011-’12 season hanging in the balance, both sides are now scrambling to come up with a workable solution. If they are unable to this week, the NBA lockout won’t just be “sickening” anymore. We’ll have to come up with much stronger terms.

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  • http://slamonline.com nbk

    For the record I hate how the owners are handling this as much as anyone, and I would be sickened too, if I wasn’t a normal person who has to pay to play in basketball leagues. Either way, both sides look stubborn. The owners considerably more so then the players, but they are the owners, and they got too the point of being able to own a team for a reason. And I’m under the impression that the owners won’t stop holding out until the players fold, or the system mirrors the NHL, so I think the players should either decertify and give up the season, or just call a spade a spade and sign the deal.

  • bike

    The players should go the decertify route. It will get under the owners skin for sure and when the players eventually wind up with only 45 percent of BRI they will at least have the satisfaction of sticking up for principle. Then we, the fans, can ultimately decide if we want to keep contributing to the 4 billion pot of gold they are fighting over. Maybe, the fans might decide that pot of gold should go down to around 2 billion dollars especially if the owners plan to guarantee profit for everyone doesn’t pan out. The owners eventually lose, the players eventually lose, and the entire NBA market gets a nice big correction. It’s capitalism and competitive market dynamics at it’s finest.

  • http://slamonline.com Allenp

    Bike
    That’s not going to happen.
    But I would support it.
    I wish EVERYBODY involved made less money. That way the pro athlete route wouldn’t be as alluring to so many kids.
    Actually, who am I kidding. Even if revenues were halved, they would still be making people rich, and kids would be willing to gamble on that long money.

  • JoeMaMa

    @Allenp: You’re right: even if the top players made $2, 3 million a year, kids would still go for it. Particularly the lower classes, where the odds of making it big in something are that much smaller. So that won’t change. What I’d like to see is the public waking up to the fact that we’re spending too much time watching a bunch of athletes playing games. It’s a nice diversion, but this pro sports thing is out of control. I was secretly hoping for an NBA/NFL double lockout. I think there would’ve been a revolution.

  • http://slamonline.com Allenp

    Yeah, that would have been interesting for real.
    Honestly, I’m not like some of these fans just jonesing for the League. I didn’t even have League Pass last year because watching that much basketball was becoming a strain, and I wasn’t going to pay for it if I wasn’t watching it.

  • http://slamonline.com LakeShow

    I’m jonesing.

  • bike

    It’s not likely based upon historical fan support following lockouts. But we are in recessionary times and it now looks like this recession (or whatever you want to call it) is not following the legacy recoveries of recessions past. Demand is down across the board, we have consistently high unemployment, no confidence in our federal government, and something that looks like the beginnings of class warfare in Occupy Wall Street. As Bob Dylan once sang ‘The times they are a changin’. Maybe people, including basketball fans, will begin to start questioning what they are paying for. And maybe the athletes and owners will begin to realize they need to do a better job of conveying to the public what they are doing in a labor dispute instead of trumpeting greed.
    Greed, last time I checked, is something people seem to be frowning upon these days.

  • ab40

    if they decertify they won’t get more than 42 percent it’s going to kill them

  • http://slamonline.com Allenp

    Bike
    Nah people are greedy as hell.
    For themselves. They just don’t like it in other folks.

  • shutupallenp

    Another thread with stupid subliminally racist comments by allenp. So its wrong for kids to want to be athletes because of the money but your hypocritical self makes money off of writing about sports? If watching sports is so bad for the population why are you part of the “machine” ?
    I understand satiating the masses with something other than real political issues, ive read Manufacturing Consent. But we as a population pay for entertainment, whether it be videogames, movies or music. De-certifying is the only way the players will get respect, and then the players will find themselves in more of a capitalistic deal instead of the forced communism they now endure. I think stars should get paid the bulk of the salaries and let the less-skilled players settle for what their worth. Isnt that what happens in every other non-elected profession?

  • http://Slamonline.com Caboose

    That “forced communism” still nets the proletariats a couple million a year.

  • Red Star

    @LakeShow I feel your pain dude, we all do!

  • Rob

    Durant has no business calling the lockout ‘sickening’ because he’s on record saying he’s ready to sit out the entire season – to most fans including me that’s also sickening.

  • http://myspace.com/gametimeweezy Gametimeweezy

    Isnt the pro athlete route is supposed to be alluring?

  • http://www.grantland.com/story/_/id/7186103/why-players-cave Allenp

    I don’t make any money writing about sports.
    I make money writing about crime and government.
    I’m fine with decertifying. And no salary cap.
    That just means you can kiss competitive balance goodbye though. And prepare for contraction. And, watch Miami, Dallas, LA, Boston and Chicago fight for the next few rings.
    The reason we have a union is two fold.
    1. So players can bargain for the best possible deals for their “middle class.”
    2. So owners with less money and less attractive markets can put restrictions in place that allow them to compete with their richer peers. Like the draft and salary cap and luxury tax, and maximum salaries and minimum salaries and all the other rules that govern how players get paid.
    Without them, the NBA middle class disappears and the small market teams likely get shafted when it comes to winning.

  • http://www.grantland.com/story/_/id/7186103/why-players-cave Allenp

    And on my comments.
    I believe that the idea of playing professional sports has a negative in poor communities, which means it has a negative impact on many black people. Way too many kids dedicate time and resources to excelling at sports that should be dedicated towards their academic endeavors and the main reason is because the payoff is so potentially high. I would prefer if everybody in professional sports made less money. If the games were more accessible to the average fan because of lower costs. And if more kids saw athletics as something to do for fun instead of a potential career.

  • http://www.grantland.com/story/_/id/7186103/why-players-cave Allenp

    NBA owners can install all those pay rules without a union to bargain with collectively.
    So the same teams pushing the union to decertify are the ones who will be punished the most if a judge decides that the NBA is violating anti-trust laws.

  • http://t.co/ulnwjShF Allenp

    *cannot install those pay rules.

  • shutupallenp

    Well i think writers that dont come from that struggle should not write about what they dont know. How many of these underprivileged athletes use athletics to get a better life? How many go to college (being the first in their families to do so) on an athletic scholarship ? What about the aspect of competition instead of being just for fun? or do you support lowering standards all around so everybody gets a nice participation trophy?
    And if owners implemented their own pay rules there would always be another owner willing to pay what a star deserved. And that fair competion statement is just bs look at mlb big payrolls dont always mean championship.

  • http://www.triplejunearthed.com/dacre Dacre

    As the finals wrapped up and we entered into the offseason, I found myself in a state of flux. I’m entering an era where I’ve gotten over collecting basketball cards, I don’t have every issue of SLAM mag stacked neatly by the bedside (and the last issue i bought was at the start of the year – sorry slam…) and as we speak I have my whole xbox/nba games collection on Ebay… the point to my comment is that the lockout has done more for me in realising the relative importance I should be giving my choice of entertainment and the time it’s taking up – I’ve been a married man for 9 months now and THIS has giving me more joy than any triple-overtime thriller between the Suns and LAL ever could… some call it maturing, others say I’m growing up but there is a part of me that is saddened about the state of the NBA today. There will always be a younger generation to thrive off and make the rich richer… I’m happy that I can chose to stand against it now.

  • shutupallenp

    and if you dont write about sports how come you never post anything negative knicks related? your list of teams mysteriously omitted them from being a high market team. As for forced communism comment not all involved make millions league min is lower than you think, but rightfully so. They still get paid very well and profit of the work of their peers, hence the communism analogy.

  • andy

    I’m over it. I played NBA 2k12 the other day and didnt even enjoy it. between gambling on the NFL n playing modern warfare 3 im good. if anything this lockout has made me wanna go to my local court n play ball.
    The owners may own the NBA but they don’t own basketball. we gotta take the game back

  • http://t.co/ulnwjShF Allenp

    Not exactly sure what you mean by “coming from that struggle” since I’m pretty sure you have no idea where I came from.
    Bull22, you’re not making any sense and your fake name can’t hide who you are.
    Like I said, and you’re free to disagree, I think too much emphasis is placed on sports in poor communities, particularly poor black communities. And I think that’s tied to the idea that becoming a pro athlete will get you paid so much your whole family will be set.
    I’m not against athletics, I think they can do good. As a fun activity first and foremost, and then possibly as a way to pay for college. But, with the current system in the major sports of football and basketball, the players are not being pushed to use their sports to get quality degrees. They are being used up and churned out without a degree. Everybody is shooting for the long shot of going pro and getting rich.
    I don’t think it’s a good thing at all.
    And the MLB has the most robust revenue sharing model of any professional sport.
    You’re really not making any sense at this point Bull22.

  • paul

    Kevin Durant is so damn clueless. Put it in basketball terms, Kevin; if you spot the opposing team a 20 point lead before the game even starts, what are your chances of winning? Low? Well that is what you players did when you went into negotiations ready to make ‘sacrifices’ in the face of owners’ demands. That’s no way to negotiate unless you want to lose.

  • http://hibachi20.blogspot.com Moose

    Props to Dacre for the wisdom. I am sickened by this as well. Except I don’t make millions like KD. So that should be even more incentive for them to get it done. As we speak I am not giving a thought to the NBA, I’m too annoyed by it. I’m spending my sports time on the NFL and even a little NHL. If they want me back, they better get on something, fast. And if they don’t, and it really ends up horribly greedy, then I hope I have the willpower to not go back to the NBA. I don’t know if I’ll be able to do it because I love it so much, but godD@MN are they treating their fans horribly right now.

  • Yep

    dude i’m pretty sure allenp knows what the league minimum is, gtfo. but @allenp it’s just the natural progression of capitalism in sports. obviously salaries started out low, but whenever a player or players have the ability to single handedly change the game, they want more money and people are willing to pay more to see them. it’s like leap frogging salaries.. each time there’s a precedent set, it’s exceeded or matched by the player’s equal or superior. and yes, if we as a collective audience decided we would not pay more than 15$ to see a basketball game etc etc and controlled the market, they wouldn’t get paid that much. but people in LA will pay 10k for floor seats at the laker game. if you’re the buss’ why not right? game 7 nba finals you can get 30k. that’s more than the average salary of an average american (median household income in usa is around 45k based on 2 earners. each earner therefore makes 22.5k). it IS an insane business.

  • http://t.co/ulnwjShF Allenp

    Yep
    I agree.

  • http://slamonline.com datkid

    of course that “shutupallenp” guy is bulls22…

  • Yep

    also, baseball is not at all like basketball. baseball is more like hockey — games can be decided with one mistake or one player on fire (pitcher/goalie respectively). basketball on the other hand is a grind. the team with superior plays wins a much higher % of the games than the teams with less talent (assuming they are coached properly etc etc). but michael jordans bulls or kobe and shaq’s lakers… they WIN. it’s not just a crap shoot. st louis was absolutely LUCKY to even make it to the playoffs this year in baseball.. the boston bruins last year went to two game sevens in overtime before they won the cup. one shot, one hit.. etc etc could have been the difference. kobe misses a basket.. he shoots another.. and another.. he misses 10? no big deal, there’s 20 more shots coming.

  • Dyce

    Maybe this will bring back college basketball which is a mess also, but it will be good to see quality college ball for a while.

  • http://slamonline.com LakeShow

    Wow Bulls22, you should never come back to this site ever again. Now I can’t stop you, but if you have any dignity at all after getting called out like that you will disappear forever. All in favor of labeling Bulls22 the worse commentor in SLAM history, say Aye. AYE!

  • http://Slamonline.com nbk

    Greek Dude still the worst

  • http://slamonline.com The Black Rick Kamla

    man….what if Portland drafted KD though….crazy

  • shutupallenp

    didnt say that allenp doesnt know the league minimum was directing that at @caboose. and im not bulls22 just an avid reader of slam, thats sick of allenp posting subliminally racist comments. as for the defenders of allenp get a life. read enough about your bio that was available saying you were a d2 benchwarmer etc etc oh and something about covering the ny knicks for some publication. but i digress, the fact that u went to d2 without an athletic scholarship shows that you were afforded a better opportunity than the average person pursuing an athletically fueled career. and lets be realistic a basketball game can be decided by the efforts of one player even more so than hockey, and any reference i made was purely from the efforts for a cba. oh and @yep the average family that lives were i live makes less than the “average” family you quoted. people dream of making that 22.5k your talking about as a whole family income

  • shutupallenp

    oh and allenp of course you would agree with him you guys probably hug each other at your monthly “clan” meetings

  • http://cnbc.com JTaylor21

    You do know that no blacks are allowed in the “clan”, right?

  • http://Slamonline.com nbk

    Lol @ shutupallenp. Allen speaks out against the undertones racism in these discussions multiple times a week – if anything there is not a commenter on slam who is more conscious of the racial issues. To the point where some people complain about Allen consistently bringing up various race issues.

  • http://slamonline.com LakeShow

    Really was Greek dude worse? Spanny, right? At least knew a little bit about some of the ish he would go off on. Bulls22 seems to be BS’n every time he talks. Wonder what ever happened to him anyway lol… What would have been better is if Bulls made his new name “shutupallenp22″ lmao that woulda been extra classic.

  • http://Slamonline.com nbk

    No he knew nothing. And every other comment was about Allen Iverson being horrible and Manu Ginobili being the non-American Michael Jordan. Trust me it was terrible, much worse than this. It was to the point were he would drive people away from the articles he posted on, even away from the website as a whole. He may even be the only commenter who has ever been banned

  • http://thetroyblog.com Teddy-the-Bear

    Personally I liked Spanoulis. He knew what he was talking about when he didn’t have his Euro-blinders on. He also knew how to type and speak Chinese.. He only did the Iverson/Starbury thing to troll people, lol. He did know his stuff, though.

  • shutupallenp

    allenp isnt black. so yes i know the clan didnt allow black people. and allenp being a skilled writer can proverbially speak out of both sides of his mouth. thats why i said subliminally. If your fooled by his mask than so be it, but i will not drink the kool-aid. or is a jim jones reference too much? and im not talking about the rapper btw

  • http://thetroyblog.com Teddy-the-Bear

    As in, he knew the Chinese language quite fluently. In addition to Greek and English. That’s actually really impressive. Not sure where he is now–was he banned??

  • LA Huey

    Spanny was the worst. The implied racism in his comments…

  • http://Slamonline.com nbk

    Maybe you got an idea in your head and ran with it. I mean your on a basketball website, you say your an “avid reader” or whatever it was, but you only manage to hate on 1-commenter as your contribution? Lol, the problem is not “subliminal racism” on Allen’s part, it’s blind hating on yours. But go ahead “shutupallenp” and say something that adds more to the conversation. You have already enlightened us all.

  • http://cnbc.com JTaylor21

    AllenP isn’t black? That’s news to me.

  • Justin

    bulls22 and The Seed are 1A and 1B of worst posters on here

  • http://Slamonline.com nbk

    Teddy maybe he was knowledgable bs smart, but those had to have been conversations between you and him on a dead page or something cuz I never saw him add anything positive to any conversation. And yes, he got banned. Or atleast that’s what I was told.

  • http://bulls.com airs

    shutupallenp is HILARIOUS!! Oh man bull22 with another gem

  • shutupallenp

    im glad i could share that news with you jtaylor21.

  • shutupallenp

    Yes an avid reader of the magazine and articles on the website, who just got sick of reading his underhanded racist comments. and its not blinding hate, just being fed up and posting my opinion about his posts

  • http://Slamonline.com nbk

    Didn’t Allen say he was black at one point? I’m pretty sure he is.

  • http://Slamonline.com nbk

    Allen is probably googleable if it is even important what his ethnicity is. He does write professionally in NOLA, normally a pretty personal & visible career

  • shutupallenp

    well hes not followed the link he posted on previous article. white guy blondish hair. he could always post a link to his profile on the dailynews again.

  • shutupallenp

    and if he isnt black doesnt that change your perspective on some of his racial commentary?

  • http://Slamonline.com nbk

    No. His ethnicity has no effect on my perception of him. I just always assumed racial issues are more prominent in his life then mine, which leads to thinking about race more often. I only think he is black because I thought he ended up stating it during a conversation regarding race. But i could very well be mistaken, I’m not rainman.

  • http://Slamonline.com nbk

    And pointing out somethin has racial undertones is not racist. Which is all I ever see allen do regarding the subject.

  • shutupallenp

    im not here to change public perception of him, just voicing my opinion on some of the opinions he has stated that i perceive and believe are racist. like i said i think hes a skilled writer, but he does more than just point out racial undertones. you see how i did that ? complimented him but still took a underhanded shot at him? he does it all the time, like i said very skilled indeed

  • Maniac

    Wow I haven’t been here in a while. You guys miss me? lol

  • http://Slamonline.com nbk

    Oh so your just here to hate someone. And you think your also a very skilled writer because you think you and he use intelligent writing tricks – him being racist while at the same time speaking out against racism (lmao), and you, highly disliking him while still complimenting his writing ability. Got it.

  • http://Slamonline.com nbk

    And Allen is black. That I now know thanks to the homIe Enigmatic who currently can’t post because he lives on a different planet. Alaska

  • Maniac

    First, LOL at the “shutupallenp” situation. I have little clue to how Allen can be perceived as a racist. I don’t care what ethnicity background a person has, if he speaks the truth then his opinion is legit. The truth does not have a color. With that said, I fully agree with Allen. Being a young black male, I can relate to what he is talking about. Too many young people (most specifically black males) are driven to some day become pro. Don’t get me wrong, there is a fine line between wanting to go pro and putting all your eggs in one basket. A lot of young black guys (my peers) BELIEVE that their only “way out” is either through drugs/gangs, music (most specifically rap), and professional basketball or football. That is fact. The significance of education is undervalued in the black community and simply stating that is not racist at all. It’s the truth.

  • Maniac

    The only “racist” comment I’ve seen on SLAM lately was some guy calling NBA players “hoodrats” lmao. I believe nbk commented on that. Do a lot of NBA players come from poor backgrounds? Yes. Do some NBA players have thuggish mentalities? Yes. Calling them hoodrats was not necessarily “inaccurate” lol, but it was used in the wrong context.

  • http://slamonline.com LakeShow

    I’m so confused about everything. Racist, white, black guy the has undertones of pointing out racism?? Whatever, I’m outtie. SLAM put some good ish up tomorrow. I was bored as h e ll today. Maniac, good to ‘see’ ya.

  • http://thetroyblog.com Teddy-the-Bear

    @ nbk: Yeah, I just remember some conversations he had with Jukai, I think, where he showed some knowledge.
    @ LA Huey: Did Spanny make racist comments? I can’t remember.
    Anyhow, shutupallenp calling Allenp racist is really odd.

  • http://slamonline.com datkid

    allenp is black… jesus why can’t we ban people? and shutupallenp is bulls22 until proven otherwise. in fact F*ck it. he’s bulls22 and nothing he says can be taken seriously.

  • http://www.twitter.com/nflem41 Nicolas Fleming

    I remember a lot of racist comments coming with the whole Uncle Tom/Duke thing, but that pales in comparison to the homophobic commenters.

  • http://www.facebook.com/#!/joe.l.brewer3 BlackPhantom

    LMAO “Allenp isn’t black”

  • http://www.facebook.com/#!/joe.l.brewer3 BlackPhantom

    I love reading Allen’s comments though, he’s always droppin’ knowledge. *sigh* But if I were part of the players I’d just take the current deal. It’s way better than MJ(and others)’s proposal of a 47% revenue split for the players(with his greedy a**)

  • http://www.washingtonpost.com/sports/wizards/a-quick-guide-to-the-issues-of-the-nba-lockout/2011/10/11/gIQAon1ZbL_story.html unf*ckwitable

    Cosign nbk, Greek dude is by far the worst poster in history, he had some knowledge but 99% of the time he choose to forgo it in favour of his pro-euro anti american agenda. Then he started on Iverson and Starbury back when they were getting some headlines on slam and things just got ridiculous.

  • shutupallenp

    i see everyone else stating this man is black and it doesnt bother me, even though hes really not. and your cosign saying hes black because someone says so makes no sense. im not a skilled writer just aware that the words people write dont always show until you read between the lines. milk for the babes, and meat for the men. I just think its racist to say that a specific demographic shouldnt aspire to greatness because someone deems it impossible or a waste of their time. and newsflash, black people can be racist against black people to. just saying.

  • http://Slamonline.com nbk

    Your an idiot. (yes I realize you didn’t insult me or provoke that, I’m just being honest)

  • shutupallenp

    and your a bigot and your wife hates you. Im sorry i insulted your klansman

  • http://www.bulls.com Enigmatic

    SMH

  • http://bulls.com shutup-shutupallenp-aka-airs

    if you aren’t bull22, you now have the prestigious honor of being the worst, most ignorant commenter on the site!
    congrats…to bull22, for we have found a person even less tolerable then you, huzzah!

  • http://www.TheBreakdownShow.com Dave Mendonca

    It’s a shame the lockout is preventing us from seeing guys like Kevin Durant do their thing. He’s been UNREAL during the off season at all these charity and exhibition games. Who wins an NBA title first? LeBron or KD? I’m putting my money on Mr. Durant. Just watch.

  • http://myspace.com/gametimeweezy Gametimeweezy

    @Allenp i help run a basketball league in a “poor community” and trust me the “NBA dream” is NOT the problem. BASKETBALL helps us to teach life lessons to those that HAVE NO resources to spend. Time away from the basketball court leads to more time in district court. And ALL our kids know school comes first. You’re being a hater. Unfortunately you probably were never good enough to get a scholarship so your views are pretty much biased. (plus it sounds like you think your BETTER than anyone who disagrees with you)

  • shutupallenp

    your entitled to your opinion. but remember when you make a statement that stereotypes a group of people that it is in fact racism. so by him saying yes i know most people that aspire to be pro athletes are black and they should focus their efforts elsewhere is racist as well. It sugar coats and over simplifies the struggle and dreams of a whole group of people

  • shutupallenp

    I guess im not the only one who recognizes his smug sense of superiority in his comments.

  • http://myspace.com/gametimeweezy Gametimeweezy

    That doesnt make him racist.. he’s just obviously separated from the realness off youth athletics IMPORTANCE in poor communities. And you’re disillusionment is a whole nother story…

  • http://www.washingtonpost.com/sports/wizards/a-quick-guide-to-the-issues-of-the-nba-lockout/2011/10/11/gIQAon1ZbL_story.html unf*ckwitable

    @SUAP your an idiot bro.

  • http://cnbc.com JTaylor21

    RIP Smoking Joe Frazier. The city of Philadelphia should be ashamed of themselves, giving fake a** Rocky a statue but not one for a real boxing legend.

  • James Aka…

    I think i used to see some far worse posters on here, well before the greek dude. I remember when Etan Thomas used to post stuff on here, and the comment section would collect all manner of racist nuts.

    Anyway, as to the matter at hand, maybe the players should use their current clout to fight back for real. I know Kobe loves his chopper, but if the top tier guys got together, and helped see the other guys through basic needs (as opposed to kenny anderson’s cars), for a while longer, and start using their brand to turn these side games into real revenue generating entertainment, perhaps they could get some leverage back. Also, f michael jordan for demonstrating that the only game that matters is his. You can argue about player vs. owners from a the point of view of capital versus labour, but when you as a player got all of your capital from your brand and from your labour, you’ve got to be pretty selfish to put the shoe on the other foot a decade later.

  • http://www.washingtonpost.com/sports/wizards/a-quick-guide-to-the-issues-of-the-nba-lockout/2011/10/11/gIQAon1ZbL_story.html unf*ckwitable

    RIP Joe.

  • http://www.slamonline.com house

    Gametimeweezy with the truth right there imo.

  • http://bulls.com airs

    gametimeweezy and allenp both have valid points, the problem with both however is that you can’t lump everybody into one group.
    there are those children whose hoop dreams are everything they pour their hearts into, leaving them with little else. however, the truth is out of billions of people, a few hundred will actually make it to the NBA, and a few other thousand will go pro elsewhere.
    but then there are other children who use hoops as a way to learn teamwork and other ‘life lessons’, and sometimes to get a scholarship to get a degree, not only a foot into the nba.

  • http://djfklsfl.com Jukai

    Spanny wasn’t “dumb” like guys like The Seed and Bull22 and the like… but he was delusional. He honestly thought Toni Kukoc was at one point a top-5 player in the world (during the time when Jordan, Bird, Magic, Olajuwon, Isiah, King, Stockton, Malone, Barkley, Pippen, Drexler, Robinson, Ewing etc. all played) and when I asked why he didn’t make it, he could not give me a reasonable explanation. He just KNEW that Kukoc was one of the best.
    So yeah, he wasn’t a dumb person… but he was dumb when it came to basketball. I don’t think he was racist, but he was immensely nationalistic. If Iverson was raised in Europe but acted the exact same way, he would have loved Iverson.

  • http://slamonline.com datkid

    cosign airs.

  • Justin

    I can’t believe this thread turned into a “Is AllenP black?” argument

  • http://www.fiba.com Darksaber

    I can’t believe the Notorious S.P.A.N.N.Y is still being brought up on Slamonline.

  • Harlem_World

    Allen P is white? Who knew? lol. Jokes aside, youth sports is about balance, but you can’t ever underestimate basketballs ability to hook a kid who would otherwise get caught up in what else goes on in our neighborhoods. So only a small percentage ever make it to college, let alone pro’s – so what? The real value is the LIFE SKILLS coaches all over the country are able to deliver to these kids through basketball that end up being the difference between whether they make it or not in life, not basketball. That’s the REAL value of this game. Nobody ever did a percentage study on how many hundreds of thousands…actually millions, of kids over the years who have been steered towards something better because of what they learned through basketball. Real talk.

  • thegfunk

    There is only once race and that is the human race…..but then there is culture, ideology and a whole load of other bs that people subscribe to.

  • http://www.slamonline.com UNFROZEN CAVEMAN LAWYER

    CO SIGN JTAYLOR TO THE FULLEST! IVE ALWAYS SAID THAT. IF ONLY FUTCH WOULDVE LET JOE FIGHT THE 15TH ROUND IN MANILLA, HE MIGHT HAVE WON, HE WOULD HAVE BEEN CHAMPIONED AS THE GREATEST EVER. HE WAS STILL ONE OF THE BEST OF ALL TIME. SO MUCH HEART AND DETERMINATION. ALI WAS SUCH A MAJOR DIKK TO JOE FOR DECADES. JOE WAS THE BLACKEST MAN EVER, HIS PARENTS WERE SHARECROPPERS IN S CAROLINA, YET, SOMEHOW, ALI CONVINCED PEOPLE THAT JOE REPRESENTS UNCLE TOMS. … ALI LATER APOLOGIZED FOR ALL THAT, BUT IT STILL HURT JOE DEEPLY. …… HERES TO SMOKIN JOE FRAZIER, YOU GET THE LIFE YOU MAKE FOR YOURSELF!

  • http://www.slamonline.com UNFROZEN CAVEMAN LAWYER

    ALLEN ISNT WHITE? LANGS NOT BLACK? SPANNY WAS BAD, BUT I THINK CHUKAZ FROM A FEW YEARS AGO WAS WORSE.

  • http://t.co/ulnwjShF Allenp

    I don’t cover the knicks.
    And I never played basketball or any sport in college.
    I think y’all have me confused with someone else.
    And yeah, I’m black.
    I cannot stress how hilarious it is that this has become a point of contention. Given my previous posting history on this site, this is the most unlikely scenario of ALL-TIME.

  • http://t.co/ulnwjShF Allenp

    And I went to school on an academic scholarship.

  • http://t.co/ulnwjShF Allenp

    Man, I love youth sports. And I’m not against them at all. And, since it’s important, I played sports in high school, was quite good, and could have gone to school on a football scholly, if that was the plan.
    Instead, I took a full ride academically.
    My point, which seems to have offended folks, was that too many kids believe that going to the NBA is a an intelligent career plan. It’s stupid.
    There are 450 spots in the NBA.
    Like 1700 or 1800 spots in the NFL.
    Way too many kids see those spots as their potential destiny instead of getting a solid educational foundation. Not all kids are being failed, but too many are. Too many kids are being pushed on to the “conveyor belt” of college and high school athletics and when their Big League dreams crumble, they are left without a quality education or good job prospects.
    I see it as a problem. Some of you disagree. Cool.

  • http://slamonline.com Allenp

    I posted a long comment but I think it disappeared.
    Anyway, I’m not against youth sports. I’m against the focus on athletics in the black community, particularly the focus on “going pro.”
    I played youth sports. I hate a great time doing it. My two sons will play youth sports. But, unless they show an IMMENSE talent I will never encourage them to think about being a professional athlete, and even if they do show that talent, they will be forced to put sports SECOND in their lives.
    It’s not that only black people care about sports. It’s that black people have a much harder way to go to get a quality education in this country because of the way the system is set up, and we don’t need to add the additional obstacle of encouraging so many of our children to focus on the 450 jobs in the NBA or the 1800 jobs in the NFL. It’s doing them a disservice. It’s like telling them to concentrate on strategies for winning the Powerball.

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