• October 15, 2009 8:00 am  |  192 Comments

    Top 50: Dirk Nowitzki, no. 9

    The definitive ranking of the NBA’s best players.

    by Emry DowningHall / @EmryBib

    I know what you’re thinking, and honestly, I can’t blame you. Before I go and make the case for the most versatile 7-footer in NBA history, I thought I’d combat any initial disseDirk Nowitzkint by channeling my inner Nowitzki to see if he can save me the trouble:

    “Klar, obwohl wir mit zwei zu null in den Finals fuehrten, haben wir am Ende verloren. In der naechsten Saison haben wir zwar die meisten Spiele gewonnen, sind aber in der ersten Runde der Playoffs ausgeschieden. Was soll ich dazu sagen? Nelly und JAX hatten es einfach drauf. Natuerlich will man solche Rueckschlaege am liebsten aus dem Lebenslauf streichen, aber im Basketball musst Du auch manchmal Hoehen und Tiefen erleben. Unterm Strich bin ich der vielseitigste 2-Meter-Mann in der Geschichte der NBA. Keiner kein mir das Wasser reichen und ich werde jeden Tag besser. Emry, uebernimm mal …”

    Scheisse, apparently my inner-Nowitzki speaks German. Unfortunately, I don’t, so let me give it a shot on my own.

    There’s no getting around the fact that this 7-0, high-arching assassin has two demerits on his N.B.A. legacy. First, the Mavericks lost the 2006 NBA Finals after holding a 2-0, and nearly a 3-0, lead against Dwyane Wade, the officiating crew, and the Miami Heat.

    The following season the Mavericks posted the League’s best record, 6th best in NBA history, only to bow out in the 1st round against Nelly and the Golden State Warriors. The series was an absolute nightmare for the Mavericks and Nowitzki, who struggled to adjust to the myriad of scheme coverages Nelly threw at him, losing in six games.

    The 2007 postseason disappointment was put under extended review when Nowitzki was honored with the league’s MVP award 10 days later. Even while receiving the highest honor an individual can achieve at the highest level of professional basketball, it was obvious he was struggling to put a positive spin on the Maurice Podoloff trophy.

    I could use this graph to hurl a slew of clichés regarding putting it all in the rearview, or using failure as motivation going forward, but I’m not going that route. These are the facts. Nowitzki has never made excuses, so it would be moot for me to do that for him. My job is to explain why his position at No. 9 on the SLAMonline Top 50 is justified, and there’s plenty of fodder for that.

    Check the resume; he is literally un-guardable at 7-feet tall with unlimited range on his shot. For his career, he’s getting 23 points, 9 rebounds, 87 percent free throw, 3 dimes and 1 block every time he suits up. Hands down, the most popular international player not hailing from a country with a population of 1.3 billion, and the first non-North American MVP in league history. Of his 11 years in the league, he’s been named to an All-NBA team nine times, including a first team selection in 2009.

    It’s important to note that just because a 7-footer doesn’t make his living exclusively on the block, that doesn’t automatically qualify him as soft. Nowitzki actually has an outstanding history of durability, playing in at least 76 games every season, other than his first year in the league. He has what’s become an almost mythical ability to return from injury. As Mavericks athletic trainer Casey Smith explained to Mark Stein in 2008: “It’s not necessarily that Dirk is a fast healer. He’s back playing so fast because he does everything possible to return as quickly as possible and because he is by far one of the toughest players I’ve ever worked with. Everyone thinks that once he’s back on the court that he’s healed up, but in reality he usually deals with his injuries for days or even weeks after returning.”

    Many years removed for their futility, people forget Dirk’s role in turning around what was easily the worst franchise in professional sports. As a frame of reference, think back to the original arcade version of NBA JAM. With the countless number of quarters you pumped into that machine, did you ever once play as the Mavericks? Did anyone, ever? Remember how they used to rank the popularity of each team at each location? With respect to Derek Harper and Mike Iuzzolino, I’m pretty certain Dallas was last everywhere, even in Dallas.

    A Don Nelson-orchestrated draft day fleecing of the Bucks and Suns landed future MVPs Steve Nash and Nowitzki in Dallas, and the foundation for transformation was in place.

    While it’s easy to point to Nowitzki’s playoff shortcomings, people rarely mention a young Dirk leading Dallas past Stockton and Malone in the 2001 playoffs - questionable haircut and all – for the franchise’s first playoff series win since 1988. Or the 2006 Western Conference Semifinals 7 game victory against a Spurs team that will make a case for being the franchise of the decade.

    Sure, none of that matters if you’re not hoisting the Larry O’Brien trophy when the final buzzer sounds, but you’re crazy if you don’t think Nowitzki co-signs on that sentiment.

    Reached via-email in reaction to Nowitzki landing No. 9 on the SLAMonline Top 50, Mark Cuban offered his thoughts on Dirk’s impact and legacy as a Maverick: “Dirk is the face of this franchise. We never would have been able to accomplish anything without him. He is a cornerstone not just on the court, but in setting the culture of the organization as well.”

    While Cuban’s support of his favorite import comes as no surprise, it also doesn’t make his statement any less valid.

    Notes
    • Rankings are based solely on projected ‘09-10 performance.
    • Contributors to this list include: Jake Appleman, Brett Ballantini, Russ Bengtson, Toney Blare, Shannon Booher, Myles Brown, Franklyn Calle, Gregory Dole, Emry DowningHall, Jonathan Evans, Adam Fleischer, Jeff Fox, Sherman Johnson, Aaron Kaplowitz, John Krolik, Holly MacKenzie, Ryne Nelson, Chris O’Leary, Ben Osborne, Alan Paul, Susan Price, Sam Rubenstein, Khalid Salaam, Kye Stephenson, Adam Sweeney, Vincent Thomas, Tzvi Twersky, Justin Walsh, Joey Whelan, Eric Woodyard, and Nima Zarrabi.
    • Want more of the SLAMonline Top 50? Check out the archive

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    • Ken Posted: Oct.15 at 8:08 am
      Holy God is SLAM high on Durant!

    • Ron Posted: Oct.15 at 8:11 am
      First

    • LCD screen cleaner Posted: Oct.15 at 8:12 am
      Without thinking of who hasn’t been on this list, this feels low. Dirk is that good.

    • kobesbestfriend Posted: Oct.15 at 8:21 am
      r u kidding me???Dirk is top 5 no doubt!probly has the best jumpshot in the L!SLAM is retarded!

    • Bryan Posted: Oct.15 at 8:23 am
      Dirk is really really good.

    • thomas Posted: Oct.15 at 8:28 am
      this is a joke…
      Dirk is #5 only behind Kobe, Wade, LBJ and D12!!!
      *shakes his head in disgust*

    • jk_light Posted: Oct.15 at 8:28 am
      Dirk is the man. I think this ranking is good even though I think you could even put him one to three spots higher (over Durant, Duncan and Anthony). Unfortunately with the Improvements of the Top Teams and him being 31 years old, he will never win a chip with Dallas. But so will probably a lot of other players in this generation. May be he could change teams and be a great second option on another contender. Imagine him in Orlando or with Lebron in NewJersey. How about that. Harris, Lee, James, Nowitzki and Lopez for the chip in 2011. But I think he won?t leave Dallas.

    • PANAGIOTIS VASILOPOULOS Posted: Oct.15 at 8:29 am
      Best big man in the world (AND in the NBA when matters) along with Pau (that’s too easy). Duncan is past his prime(even him said so a few days ago) ,sorry guys…Of course you can have him top-6 till the day he can no longer walk just like Jabbar and Erving remained all-stars till the day they retired…..Dirk is slightly better overall than Pau but Pau is more of a big man (blocking shots,etc). So Pau IS the best big man in the world BUT Dirk is the best player over 6-9.

    • PANAGIOTIS VASILOPOULOS Posted: Oct.15 at 8:31 am
      reading the previous comment i just remembered that Antony will come higher than Dirk&Pau….(??!!?!!)and then you tell me this list ain’t pure entertainment….i love it!!!!!

    • John Krolik Posted: Oct.15 at 8:34 am
      There’s literally no excuse for putting Durant ahead of Dirk. One reason the search for the “next Dirk” has been so disastrous is that he’s so much more than a tall guy with a great jumper-his toughness, intelligence, and moves from the high-post set him apart from the imitators. I gotta get to bed.

    • Mauritz Posted: Oct.15 at 8:37 am
      SLAM is really high on Durant. He is having a sick pre-season though. I think this isn’t too low. Who are left now? Bron, Kobe, CP3, Howard, Wade, Durant, Anthony, Duncan, am I right? I’m guessing Durant is next, then Anthony, and then Duncan is sixth. The top 5 of (in no praticular order) Wade, LeBron, Kobe, CP3 and Howard seems certain. Could they rank Durant above Duncan or Anthony? They couldn’t, could they?

    • Blackrick Posted: Oct.15 at 8:45 am
      If this ranking is based on individual talent,then why the hell wouldn’t KD be in the top 10?Duh!!

    • Royal Posted: Oct.15 at 8:45 am
      have they mentioned Steve Blake yet?

    • Simon S.Y Lawy Posted: Oct.15 at 8:50 am
      Slam starts to hate Durant …

    • NUPE Posted: Oct.15 at 8:58 am
      I think he should be higher up, but spot 10-6 may be the most difficult to justify and put in any kind of order. If Dirk was top 5 over CP3 or Howard, I think peole would say to high but an argument could be made for it. Hell, the fact that Durant made the top 10 means slam feels they can make an argument for anything. Bottom line, Dirk is a great player and deserves a top 10 spot. To argue a few spots higher is pointless.

    • Brad Long Posted: Oct.15 at 9:02 am
      Well, he was ranked 6th but then Slam saw his current hairstyle and that alone bumped him down 3 slots.

    • Darksaber Posted: Oct.15 at 9:04 am
      Emri, verdammt guter Bericht, Junge. Echt Spitzenklasse wie du seine Karriere beschrieben hast. Bravo. For the committee that voted and then decided that somehow Dirk Nowitzki isn’t a) one of the top 5 Players out there or b) his importance to his team has lessened in 09/10 (yeah, Ason at 37 + Matrix no plays called for him = less responsibility for Dirk this coming season) thus putting a potential scorer on a questionable team like KD ahead of him…? Please pass the blunt.

    • Darksaber Posted: Oct.15 at 9:06 am
      Please Dirk Werner, stop sporting the “Walton” (flowing locks + headband). Retro CAN be taken too far.

    • Jukai Posted: Oct.15 at 9:12 am
      Not feeling you SLAM. If I had to take a player to build a team around for this season and this season only, no way would I take Carmello Anthony, Kevin Durant, or Tim Duncan over Dirk. I get it, it’s about output and production (and KD/Carmello have a better chance of putting up points, with the way their teams are… not sure about Duncan) but this ain’t doing Dirk justice. He really is the best bigman in the game today.
      He kills Pau.

    • Spaceship Jay Posted: Oct.15 at 9:12 am
      Lol @ Darksaber. Perhaps it would’ve been a better idea to create a list with KD and DRose, and then discuss all of the players they’re better than and why.

    • Darksaber Posted: Oct.15 at 9:15 am
      Word, Spaceship.

    • Jukai Posted: Oct.15 at 9:18 am
      Am I the only one who thinks it’s crazier to put Carmello this high rather than KD?
      We’re talking about future output, OKC still blows, KD is probably going to take every shot.
      What in the world is Carmello going to be doing to get this high on the list?

    • PANAGIOTIS VASILOPOULOS Posted: Oct.15 at 9:18 am
      @Darksaber…..:don’t worry, Dirk is top-5 in the world everywhere except here. I don’t thing he would worry either….on another subject: ALBA didn’t manage to get past…..Marousi???!!! (we are talking about a team that represents just a few building blocks in an area near the centre of Athens….)

    • Dagomar Posted: Oct.15 at 9:21 am
      I’m not a Mavs fan, but I cannot believe that Durant is ranked higher than Dirk. This is not the definitive ranking of the world’s best players. This is a ranking of the stats players are projected to put up next season, period. And it’s a bad one at that, because it’s making a whole lot of assumptions about young players like Rose or Durant. Durant, at this point, is not a better scorer than Dirk. He’s not a better rebounder than Dirk. He’s in no way a better winner or leader than Dirk. And he probably won’t sniff the playoffs for a third straight season. If you’re ranking the best players Dirk should not be lower; even if you’re ranking ONLY projected PPG for next year I’m still not sure Durant should be higher than Dirk.

    • Darksaber Posted: Oct.15 at 9:21 am
      Wonder why Durantula isn’t getting the same “hate” PP was getting here last summer. Even though PP was a proven winner and all that nonsense. I like Kevin’s offensive game, more relevant in 09/10 than Dirk is? Yeah right, if relevance is measured in whoever’s trying to topple Wade/Bron off the scoring throne. Arrrgh, i bet Khalid had Dirk last on his list (kidding Kha…or am i?)

    • Eboy Posted: Oct.15 at 9:25 am
      Even I would take Dirk over Durnat any day of the week. You’re welcome, Dark. This is too low for the Weiner Schnitzel.

    • Jukai Posted: Oct.15 at 9:28 am
      IN FAIRNESS TO SLAM:
      The fact that Durant is alone on his team (hense boosting his required production) and the fact that the Mavs got another scorer + rebounder (Marion) means that KD’s production is only going to increase with his skills while Dirk’s will lower with age and a more crowded team.
      The projected rankings never said another about a team’s success.
      I just think it sucks that the fifth best player in the -WORLD- right now gets pushed back over here because of it.

    • Darksaber Posted: Oct.15 at 9:29 am
      Wiener, E, Wiener. And knowing your usual thoughts on Dirk, i appreciate the sentiment… A lot. So, let’s wait for Ryne et al to place Dwyane behind Duncan, Melo and KD, eh? That oughta generate some comments.

    • bigdoggchad Posted: Oct.15 at 9:31 am
      I am guessing Jukai didn’t watch Melo in the playoffs?!

    • Jukai Posted: Oct.15 at 9:32 am
      Also, just figured I’d bring this up: any interest in a SLAM fantasy basketball tournament this time around? The last one wasn’t so successful, since, you know, everyone stopped filling out the damn thing with 2/3rds left in the season, but for a while it was pretty damn fun.

    • Darksaber Posted: Oct.15 at 9:38 am
      Oh i’m pretty sure Juks watched Melo play exceptionaly well in some playoff games (Dallas series, Games 1-3 vs Lakers) then wilt like a dried prune after that…

    • PANAGIOTIS VASILOPOULOS Posted: Oct.15 at 9:38 am
      Jukai proposing a fantasy basketball tournament.

    • Jukai Posted: Oct.15 at 9:39 am
      You in Spanny? I mean, you do know SOMETHING about American basketball… right…?

    • sab Posted: Oct.15 at 9:40 am
      dagomar, it is NOT based on stats, i don’t know how many times you need to be told that…
      this is the average of 31 Slam writers’ ballots, right? (i’m sure i read that). i can understand one or two of them rating Durant over Dirk, but for him to average out lower - wow. agree with Darksaber, this must be Khalid’s fault…
      i’d have him at number 6, personally. it’s kinda comical how “underrated” he is. but there are always anti-Dirk comments flying around - those two “demerits” are a horrible stain on an otherwise outstanding legacy

    • Solon Posted: Oct.15 at 9:41 am
      Why the hate on Carmelo? Did you see what the Nuggets did to the Mavs in the playoffs? They demolished them. He is virtually unguardable-though, so is Dirk-and is way tougher. I remember postgame interviews with Kobe where he was talking about how hard it was to keep 6-7 Carmelo off the Offensive Boards with 3 players 6-10 and over trying to box him out. Carmelo is a great scorer, teriffic rebounder, and a proven Winner-National Champ-and won’t go all EMO after he loses like Dirk Diggler.
      Although Durant being higher then Dirk is a bit redonk.

    • Ken Posted: Oct.15 at 9:45 am
      I’d participate in a SLAM fantasy basketball league. Maybe we can get one of the fantasy writers to organize it and have SLAM kick in a prize?
      I feel like this top 50 list is essentially a fantasy NBA list anyway (based on stats more than value to team).

    • rog123 Posted: Oct.15 at 9:51 am
      Dirk without question will have a better individual season than duncan. The only thing duncan can offer that dirk can’t is a legitimate defensive stopper, on some nights. Other than that, dirk is in his prime and duncan is already has less than half a tank of gas left

    • Brad Long Posted: Oct.15 at 9:53 am
      Jukai:We got one spot left in a 10 man league. Get at Justin Walsh.

    • PANAGIOTIS VASILOPOULOS Posted: Oct.15 at 9:53 am
      @Ken……:of course it is, i cleared/explained that 2 weeks ago (it just contains also a bit of loyalty/reality to keep it from becoming a H*llinger list).
      @Jukai….:can’t participate, don’t know the rules, don’t know much about the NBA, don’t trust/worship statistics,ain’t good in maths,etc….

    • Jukai Posted: Oct.15 at 9:56 am
      Brad: oh, WAY to abandon me on this man! Lemme try and grab that spot, Imma hit Justin up

    • Bryan Posted: Oct.15 at 9:57 am
      Co sign eboy. I like durant but this is a little high..

    • Yesse Posted: Oct.15 at 10:02 am
      Is KB (Kwame Brown) gonna be number one?

    • jk_light Posted: Oct.15 at 10:07 am
      I never saw this much sympathy for Dirk in the slam Comments. I can also imagine that there are one or two Dirk-bashers in the slam stuff like Khalid that rank him not for skills but for personal dislike. So that could easily describe why he is ranked lower than some other players. Even though I think Kevin Durant (And D.Rose) will be an MVP contender for years to come, he is not there right now in my opinion and therefore ranked a bit too high.

    • niQ Posted: Oct.15 at 10:09 am
      Wow. Melo is gonna be high. And I knew Durant would be top 10, I just didn’t know he would get passed 9.

    • jk_light Posted: Oct.15 at 10:13 am
      And I like JUKAIs way of thinking. If I could choose players to build my team around just for next season, this would be my picks in order:
      Lebron
      Kobe
      Wade
      Howard
      Dirk
      Paul
      Duncan
      Anthony
      ….

    • Jacki Jormp-Jomp Posted: Oct.15 at 10:14 am
      If Dirk had the ability to feel emotion (or stand up to his barber)he’d be p*ssed off right now

    • Emry DowningHall Posted: Oct.15 at 10:17 am
      @DarkSaber: Thanks man, much appreciated.

    • Darksaber Posted: Oct.15 at 10:21 am
      Sorry for misspelling your name earlier, Emry.

    • thomas Posted: Oct.15 at 10:23 am
      Completely agree with JUKAI and jk_light
      This list would make sense in a lot more ways than one which is concerned with the probable statisical output for next season which has dirk behind duncan… and don’t get me started on durant or anthony…

    • tavoris Posted: Oct.15 at 10:28 am
      cant argue with this one, but I’d like him alittle higher on this list. Oh well.

    • Jukai Posted: Oct.15 at 10:28 am
      Hey Allen, my e-mail is njl4515@gmail.com
      I owe you five dollars.

    • rikson Posted: Oct.15 at 10:43 am
      People just have that “soft” image of dirk stucked in their minds! Despite the fact, that he is responsible for everything they became over the last decade and therefor is dallas. Plus he had to deal with huge changes regarding bb and his life, when he came from Würzburg (!) to the NBA - people tent to forget that! —– There is a spelling error in the german part: “Keiner kein mir das Wasser ….” -> should be ” Keiner KANN mir das wasser reichen”

    • Pavlek Posted: Oct.15 at 10:45 am
      @Emry: Dirk has made All-NBA First Team 4 times
      (2005–2007, 2009)

    • Teddy-the-Bear Posted: Oct.15 at 10:46 am
      I have never been a big fan of Dirk, but COME ON. He is better than Kevin Durant right now.

    • Teddy-the-Bear Posted: Oct.15 at 10:48 am
      @ Jukai: You aren’t the only one. Carmelo Anthony should definitely not be this high either. I’d actually rather have Brandon Roy, Deron Williams, and Dirk Nowiztki at this point. 2 years ago when he had his confidence and he was shredding the league? That’s a different story.

    • Wayno Posted: Oct.15 at 10:53 am
      Dirk > KD, TD, and Melo. Should be
      1. LeBron
      2. Kobe
      3. D-Wade
      4. Dwight Howard
      5. Dirk

    • Michael Posted: Oct.15 at 10:57 am
      Melo can score at anytime, anywhere on the court. I dont think he should be as high as he will be but dont that doesnt detract form his ability. I could watch that little jab step and then shoot the mid range jumper all day. Oh and any other website/publication would rank Dirk in the top 5 or 6. Not a SLAM type though is he.

    • Brad Long Posted: Oct.15 at 11:01 am
      Sorry, Jukai. And I echo your 9:28 comment…only in reference to Pau. Timmy’s a first ballot HOFer but if I’m trying to build a team for next season I’d take Pau over Tim-Bot and his brittle knees 12 times out of 10.

    • Jacki Jormp-Jomp Posted: Oct.15 at 11:07 am
      Pau is the most important person in the Lakers squad, Bean be damned.

    • j4zzm4n Posted: Oct.15 at 11:08 am
      i do fantasy ball on fb would love to do it with you guys. this list is just…….

    • Allenp Posted: Oct.15 at 11:11 am
      Jukai
      We straight.

    • Jukai Posted: Oct.15 at 11:15 am
      Brad: Toughie, but I think we’re in agreement.

    • Emry DowningHall Posted: Oct.15 at 11:18 am
      @Pavlek: I do realize that. I was just trying to emphase the 2009 selection as a way of showing he bounced back from the adversity of 2006, and 2007 and was most recently elected elite amongst his peers.

    • niQ Posted: Oct.15 at 11:21 am
      You know at this rate, they might just decide to alter the list Men in Black style and place Derrick Rose at number 1…
      Just saying..

    • logues Posted: Oct.15 at 11:34 am
      i am down for some fantasy ball, but i would like to know how it works first. do u have to go on there like every day and mess with it cuz if its like that then screw that

    • Sparker Posted: Oct.15 at 11:35 am
      after durant dismantled phoenix the other night, alvin gentry said kd was top 5 in the league right now. and dirk would be great if someone could find him a pair of stones. he just isn’t feared.

    • Gus Posted: Oct.15 at 11:35 am
      So teams now play against officiating crews? When did that start to happen? I would love to know. The Heat won the Finals for one reason alone. A player that is in your top 5 for these rankings and his name is Dwyane Wade. The ONLY reason the Heat won the Finals.

    • MR Posted: Oct.15 at 11:39 am
      It’s so funny when u guys think that dirk deserves a spot over tim duncan and kevin durant. carmelo i can understand but durant and duncan? comon now - durant in his 3rd season is gonna be a monster and tim duncan is just plain consistency. apart from lebron, paul, wade kobe and howard there’s not another player in this league that u can automatically peg in for an all-nba and all-defensive selection. and tim duncan has done it consistently. don’t forget that he turned a 20 win team into a 60 win team when he came into the league and even though his numbers dropped off slightly (so did Kobe’s), he is still the best big man in the league and even last year 28 out of 30 gm’s has said that if they had to pick one player to start building a franchise around it will be tim duncan.

    • Jukai Posted: Oct.15 at 11:44 am
      MR: this isn’t a lifetime achievement award, dude. Duncan is old. His knees are shaky. I’d take Dirk, who is almost always healthy.

    • rikson Posted: Oct.15 at 11:51 am
      True - id take dirk too! Plus SA had 59 wins in 95!

    • UnRel Posted: Oct.15 at 12:05 pm
      dirk is a beast.. good spot for him.. top 10 for sure.. he lacks that killer instinct to do whatever it takes to win.. but i wouldn’t call him soft.. and as far as Durrant.. he’s going to make a lot of noise this season.. but.. a top 10 ‘pre-season list’ should be players on contenders.. that’ll be like LBJ or KB24 on the thunder and just get the MVP award for ten seasons straight..

    • UnRel Posted: Oct.15 at 12:06 pm
      by the way.. there HAS to be a better picture of dirk in the slam archives.. why that one?.. he’s lookin like a bad SNL skit..

    • Bryan Posted: Oct.15 at 12:07 pm
      I hate to say it but I got dirk over tim also. From a leadership standpoint give me duncan but production and health wise I gotta have dirk.

    • cb 34 Posted: Oct.15 at 12:11 pm
      I think dirk is overrated. His choke job in 06 is a testament to that. Plus, the bitch slap by west was ridiculous. And i disagree, i think he is soft. He’s healthy most of the time because he has an excellent outside game. He attacks sometimes but he settles for the j because it’s virtually unguardable. He’s not a killer. Still, it’s crazy to put durant ahead of him.

    • cb 34 Posted: Oct.15 at 12:15 pm
      Dirk is soft. Bargnani has the same skill set but with a better post game. Given dirk’s minutes the numbers would climb up fast. Not saying he’s gonna be better than dirk but bargs will be a special player in the league.

    • Bryan Posted: Oct.15 at 12:16 pm
      BUT I would take durant over melo. It should be kobe, lebron, wade,paul,howard,dirk,duncan,durant and melo imo.

    • Bryan Posted: Oct.15 at 12:22 pm
      Carmelo better rebound to get this high I mean like 8 to 8.5 a game. Same with durant.

    • teamjacky Posted: Oct.15 at 12:23 pm
      In my books, Dirk has one championship trophy. The referees pretty much decided the outcome of the Dallas vs Miami Finals, by handing Miami their title. If officiated properly, Dallas would have won that year, no doubt about it.

    • tavoris Posted: Oct.15 at 12:27 pm
      funny that Duncan is considered “old” and creaky when he’s only missed 15 games the last FOUR seasons. that’s the same as Lebron, and less than Paul, Wade or Anthony. Of the people in the top 10, only Kobe, Lebron, and Dirk have played with more regularity. for all of his creaky knees, his scoring and rebounding were pretty darn close to his career averages. Back to Dirk…probably should be top 5…probably the most consistently unstoppable scorer in the entire L.

    • Juice20 Posted: Oct.15 at 12:31 pm
      Yea good spot for dirk he do be ballin lol but he is a lil soft o yea durant for prez kids a monster

    • Allenp Posted: Oct.15 at 12:32 pm
      Duncan’s defense still makes him better than Dirk.

    • Allenp Posted: Oct.15 at 12:34 pm
      Oh, and isn’t KG a 7-footer?
      If he is, KG is the most versatile 7-footer in NBA history given everything he can do on BOTH sides of the ball.

    • trevor Posted: Oct.15 at 12:40 pm
      dirk should be top five seriously only behind lebron, kobe, wade, and chris paul

    • tavoris Posted: Oct.15 at 12:40 pm
      Allenp, that would be true, but KG refuses to be called a 7-footer. He’s listed at 6′11″ 1/2. it’s been a long running joke, because he’s actually probably 7′1″

    • tavoris Posted: Oct.15 at 12:46 pm
      just like T-Mac is really taller than 6′8″

    • j4zzm4n Posted: Oct.15 at 12:50 pm
      Since when the hell was Nigeria in north America? Hakeem was an MVP wasn’t he? And that was before citizenship

    • tavoris Posted: Oct.15 at 12:53 pm
      j4zzm4n, Hakeem got the MVP in 94. He became a US citizen in 93

    • Brad Long Posted: Oct.15 at 12:53 pm
      Allenp is right. KG revolutionized the 4 spot.

    • MeloMan!5 Posted: Oct.15 at 12:59 pm
      OK first of all, his name isnt spelled with 2 “l’s” (Carmelo). second, I hate Dirk, i think he’s a soft ass bigman and he whines too much. but SLAM, seriously?? Durant has won like 40 games in his two seasons. 40!!Dirk has won more than that every season for the last 6 years!! and Melo has never won less than that.

    • MeloMan!5 Posted: Oct.15 at 12:59 pm
      OK first of all, his name isnt spelled with 2 “l’s” (Carmelo). second, I hate Dirk, i think he’s a soft ass bigman and he whines too much. but SLAM, seriously?? Durant has won like 40 games in his two seasons. 40!!Dirk has won more than that every season for the last 6 years!! and Melo has never won less than that.

    • cb 34 Posted: Oct.15 at 1:00 pm
      You’re right allen. Kg over dirk any day!

    • tavoris Posted: Oct.15 at 1:05 pm
      MeloMan!5, you’re on the money about everything but Dirk whining…he hardly does that.

    • T Money Posted: Oct.15 at 1:10 pm
      Dirk was 1st team all NBA over Tim Duncan last year. Nuff sed.

    • cb 34 Posted: Oct.15 at 1:13 pm
      How can you call dirk a leader? How can you call someone who lets himself get b!tch slapped in the playoffs and basically killed whatever chance they had in that one moment a leader?

    • tavoris Posted: Oct.15 at 1:17 pm
      cb_34, is Lebron a leader? because if I remember correctly, the Magic pimp slapped him too. The Pistons did the same to Jordan a few times…it happens to every player.

    • Anton Posted: Oct.15 at 1:19 pm
      8. Tory Lane
      7. That one guy in your school who’s really good but can never hold his sh*t together long enough to become a meaningful part of the team which is a waste of his talent that he’ll realize at the age of 40 when it’s too late and he’ll cry whatever’s left of his sorry soul to sleep nightly like an eternal curse
      6. Replacement refs
      5. Dodge Charger
      4. Kobe
      3. Wade
      2. LeBron
      1. Sasha Vujacic

    • T Money Posted: Oct.15 at 1:20 pm
      Dear SLAM
      Thanks for making everybody hate two of the leagues most promising up and coming players.

    • you already know. Posted: Oct.15 at 1:23 pm
      Dirk is good @ss playa, but he choke on pressure situation.

    • Spaceship Jay Posted: Oct.15 at 1:25 pm
      What if KD isn’t even on the List?

    • Allenp Posted: Oct.15 at 1:31 pm
      Spaceship
      KD is on the list. Probably 7 or 8.
      Team Jacky
      The Mavs lost because they forgot how to defend the high pick and roll.
      They did the same thing the next year and lost to the Warriors.

    • tavoris Posted: Oct.15 at 1:32 pm
      Spaceship Jay…all heck would break loose

    • Jukai Posted: Oct.15 at 1:32 pm
      I like how everyone remembers Dirk “choking” against Golden State when they forget how Dirk two game winners in Memphis in the PLAYOFFS in 2005 and then hit the game tying layup and took over the game against San Antonio in 2006 and then dropped a double nickle to get the Mavs past Phoenix the following round. Man, Dirk didn’t play well, but dude was hitting clutch-ass baskets against the Heat. Wade was just hitting clutch baskets + 1s.
      Dirk is clutch. Really, he is. He’s soft, but he’s not a choker.

    • thomas Posted: Oct.15 at 1:40 pm
      thank you jukai… seriously I remember that ESPN headline like it was yesterday after dirk dropped 55 on phx in the western conference finals…
      dirk’s a hell of a player during any point of a game!

    • Bryan Posted: Oct.15 at 1:45 pm
      I don’t think dirk deserved mvp but that doesn’t mean I don’t think he’s at worst the second best 4 in the league.

    • TADOne Posted: Oct.15 at 1:56 pm
      I also think Dallas was pretty good when Jason Kidd, Jim Jackson, and Jamal Mashburn were there. Just saying.

    • Bryan Posted: Oct.15 at 1:59 pm
      They never won more than like 35 games tad.

    • cb 34 Posted: Oct.15 at 2:01 pm
      @ tad: I loved the triple j ranch. Big fan of jimmy’s game. Too bad he’s a forgotten man but that guy can ball. It still amazes me how he ended up playing for 13 teams.

    • Allenp Posted: Oct.15 at 2:05 pm
      Yeah, Dirk’s rep as a “choker” is overrated.
      His rep for being soft is not.
      He’s soft, but he’s not a choker. He’s just not a rah-rah leader guy who is going to get on his teammates and make them do what they need to do. Plus, there are times when he doesn’t exactly exude confidence.
      But, Dirk has hit clutch baskets his whole career. I used to be on team anti-Dirk because I thought he was being overhyped for a while, but now I think he has a bad rep in many ways. Sure, he could be a better defender, passer and post player, but he’s a helluva scorer regardless and he gets on the glass as well. That fadeway is pretty much unstoppable unless you bother him before the catch.

    • Logues Posted: Oct.15 at 2:12 pm
      is that teen wolf?

    • sab Posted: Oct.15 at 2:19 pm
      Jukai at 1:32pm - thank god someone put some facts up. far too many people were getting away with this lame old “choker” rubbish. dirk’s proven himself to be big-time before. but as the write-up said, those two epics fails unfortunately look really ugly on his resume. and unfortunately people are letting that cloud their judgment.
      at the same time, i’m surprised that some people are putting him top 5 ahead of CP3 or Dwight. really?

    • TADOne Posted: Oct.15 at 2:19 pm
      Really? I thought those triple J teams were better than that? Anyway, Dirk is like a square peg for a round hole. Should he be higher? Probably. Should he be lower? Maybe. Is this ranking about right? Most likely.

    • tavoris Posted: Oct.15 at 2:48 pm
      sab, Dirk’s less likely to get “shut down” than either CP3 or Dwight. At any rate, 4-15 are all pretty much interchangeable, depending on what you’re looking for in a player.

    • K3V1N3o5 Posted: Oct.15 at 3:09 pm
      Im a little confused on this when it comes to where in the top 10 he belongs.Top5 is definitely Kobe,Wade,Bron,CP3,and D12.Is Dirk no.6?Im not sure,because I still think that Duncan is better,but i agree that Dirk > Melo > Durant,so I guess I would put Dirk at #7,behind Duncan right now.Oh yeah,quit hating on the Heat.D-Wade went Jordan on the Mavs,and then you say the refs gave us the title?GTFO! Heat were down 13 with 6min left in Game 3,and then Wade went Jordan,Game over!Series Over!

    • onlyclipfanonslam Posted: Oct.15 at 3:10 pm
      KD not better than Dirk… at least not right now WOW…PS Anton wins hands down going awy

    • Shem Posted: Oct.15 at 3:29 pm
      This is a perfect ranking. Durant and Duncan will be higher. To all Durant haters: He will average 30,8 and 5. Thats Wade stats (im not saying hes better then Wade). As for everyone that thinks Duncan has dropped off, WRONG. Duncan has averaged over 19 and 10 for 12 straight years. Oh and this year their making it to the Western Conference Finals IF they stay injury free.

    • alx Posted: Oct.15 at 3:44 pm
      carmelo anthony is not better than nowitzki, durant is not better than nowitzki, period.

    • tealish Posted: Oct.15 at 3:45 pm
      I didn’t read the comments, but I’m sure the Greek guy voiced his displeasure and for once, I’ll have to agree. #9 for the big German is wrong. Did not expect to see him here at all.
      Anthony?? Durant?? Duncan even? Oh boy, now I’m actually really curious to see the rankings of the individual writers to see whats up.

    • christian wells Posted: Oct.15 at 3:51 pm
      i like dirk at #9,and since i read that this list is a ranking of the players 1-50 who could win or will have mvp seasons it all seems about right,with that bein said i’d put what seems 2b everybodies fav player at 3 or 4,Lebron and Wade r 1and2 D.howard and CP3 could actually b 3and4 that would leave u all’s most loved and adored kobe 5th,(HA)

    • 360vue Posted: Oct.15 at 4:19 pm
      Who exactly is responsible for teabagging KD at Slam?! Good to see some old fashioned Dirk bashing on this board, not seen any for a while. But it’s all pretty much retarded nonsense. Firstly, you don’t average 10 rpg in the NBA and be soft; secondly, you don’t play through the injuries he did. Also, the choke in the finals is complete retardation. The dude still average around 25/11/3/2b/1s in the finals, how can that be considered choking? And even though DWade is my favourite player in the L, no-one can reasonably say the referees werent lettin him do what the f he wanted. The officiating was retarded, its only human to get worked up about such a final in such an important setting and occassion and then have a few unusual errors. But either way, most condemnation is purely retarded and you need your bias goggles checking because you’re completely blinded

    • Allenp Posted: Oct.15 at 4:23 pm
      360
      If you think Dirk ain’t soft, you’re the one wearing goggles.
      Being soft is not the worst thing in the world. Doesn’t mean you can’t be a great player. But, he’s soft.

    • Chukaz Posted: Oct.15 at 4:34 pm
      ppl what up wit da durant hate? lets not forget that these rankings are based on whar is expected for next season which will make slam look foolish wit duncans ranking

    • Chukaz Posted: Oct.15 at 4:39 pm
      oh n havin travis outlaw in the top ten is just irresponsible. come on slam you slightly better than that haha seriously. top 50 ok top ten? that’s just irresponsible. n how could you leave lebron out of top ten?

    • tavoris Posted: Oct.15 at 4:49 pm
      for all the heated discussion the greek dude was inciting in the other posts, I must say that we’ve kept Dirk’s place pretty civilized. Greek Dude, take notes…

    • Z Posted: Oct.15 at 4:53 pm
      Dirk is soft in the same way that T-Mac is soft. They get hot and bothered when someone tries to body them up. HOWEVER, he is 6th and that’s not even close. Melo and KD need to GTFO of this top 10.

    • Teddy-the-Bear Posted: Oct.15 at 5:25 pm
      Okay first of all, T-Mac is NOT soft like Dirk, okay? If David West tapped Mac on the face he would have chased him down the court like that one Puerto Rican player.

    • Teddy-the-Bear Posted: Oct.15 at 5:27 pm
      Also, Tim Duncan without knees and his 20-10 stats are still better than younger Pau Gasol’s 18-8 stats. Put Timmy on the Lakers and they win just as easily. Yes, right now.

    • Teddy-the-Bear Posted: Oct.15 at 5:51 pm
      Dirk is soft because he doesn’t play in the post and he’s 7 freaking feet tall. That does NOT mean he isn’t a good player, and that does not mean he’s weak, or that he isn’t clutch. He’s all of the above, a great player, and a match-up nightmare for other big men. I’m not particularly a fan of 7 footers who don’t normally play on the block with their backs towards the basket, but I respect Dirk’s skillset.
      However, I would still take Tim Duncan over Dirk. Kevin Garnett MAYBE. For years people have been saying that Tim Duncan is old, but he always brings the pain come playoff time.

    • Bryan Posted: Oct.15 at 6:04 pm
      Pre injury tmac had NO problems getting bodied up.

    • rog123 Posted: Oct.15 at 6:25 pm
      Duncan currently is better than dirk, when healthy. However this list is very very inconsistent when it comes to being healthy.

    • TADOne Posted: Oct.15 at 6:34 pm
      Dirk’s ex looked tougher than him.

    • Afonso Posted: Oct.15 at 6:39 pm
      SLAM´S LIST MAKERS SHOULD KISS DURANTS A$$ ALLREADY!!!DIRK 9???IS THIS LIST EVEN WANT SOME CREDEBILITY??? Dirk put like 34, 9, and 3 on the Spurs in last season´s first round..even vs Denver he had a statline like that…THE ADVANTAGE TIMMY HAS ON HIM IS DEFENSE AND DIRK ALSO HAS A BIG ONE OFFENSIVLY SO WHY TIMMY AHEAD OF HIM? hes slowing down clearly while Dirk is in the final stage of his prime even next year.

    • Gerard Himself Posted: Oct.15 at 6:42 pm
      the people who rank Dirk at no. 5 are hilarious. Thank you for making me smile. Especially the folks who forget about Chris Paul.

    • Bryan Posted: Oct.15 at 6:43 pm
      Cold, tad.

    • nbk Posted: Oct.15 at 6:43 pm
      because they don’t judge players against other guys one on one alfonso. Tim Duncan gives you more advantages throughout the league then Dirk. For one Dirk can’t gaurd solid big men, while big wing players can effictively limit dirk.

    • nbk Posted: Oct.15 at 6:46 pm
      Duncan doesn’t have to worry about being guarded by a wing player, and is really not effected by any one. Dirk is limitable, Duncan is 20 and 10. Last year the spurs just didn’t have the right kind of player to guard Dirk. Don’t try and say Bowen

    • MR Posted: Oct.15 at 6:53 pm
      jukai - last i checked offense isn’t the only aspect of basketball. dirk can score well and he definitely has a better perimeter game. he may also be the BEST SHOOTING BIG in the west. But overall? no competition there. duncan defensively and offensively is consistent and that’s why he is going to be ranked where he is. Many of u guys are stats gurus that literally base EVERYTHING a player accomplishes solely based on stats. There’s so many ppl who seriously think that guys like Camby and Andersen are better defensive players than Duncan, just because they avg more blocks and in camby’s case rebounds and the dpoy award over him. Duncan guards his man one on one and he guards the paint and doesn’t leave his man to get blocks as a help defender. There’s a reason why the Spurs are one of the best defensive teams every year. It all starts with the man in the middle. and you talk about this not being an achievement award. You are right, its not - but when u talk about consistency then top 6 is where duncan should be placed.

    • MR Posted: Oct.15 at 7:10 pm
      umm yeh afonso, a guard or a forward can guard dirk but not anyone can guard duncan. Duncan’s not a selfish player. If he wants he could have avg’d over 25+ pts from the year he got drafted. But he likes to focus his energy more on defense and then let the offense come to him.He diverts to others. Doesn’t matter what team the Spurs play Duncan usually plays his stellar 20/10 along w/ 3 asts and 2 blks. Clearly that doesn’t mean a lot to u guys, but point out to me which player has done that consistenty w/ getting injured and not sacrificing anything on the defensive end of things.

    • nbk Posted: Oct.15 at 7:17 pm
      haha Bill Russel

    • Garett Posted: Oct.15 at 7:37 pm
      Well, Durant has to average 30 and 8, greatly further his all-around game and lead his team to the playoffs now or SLAM looks a little foolish. On another note, odd that the ninth best player in the NBA got involved with such a psycho woman, especially post-Kobe. And she wasn’t even that hot. Come on Dirk (channeling Mark Jackson)you’re better than that

    • Teddy-the-Bear Posted: Oct.15 at 7:51 pm
      LOL @ Gerard Himself. Co-sign that.

    • davidR Posted: Oct.15 at 8:04 pm
      all you guys talking about what carmelo did in the playoffs. f that. did you guys see what dirk did in the playoffs? sure, the nuggets crushed the mavs, but check his stats in the 2nd round loss to the nuggs: 34, 10, and 3, on 53% fg% and 92% ft%. ridiculous!

    • davidR Posted: Oct.15 at 8:11 pm
      with that said, i still think dirk is going to have a more productive year individually than melo.

    • Shem Posted: Oct.15 at 8:17 pm
      1.LeBron
      2.Wade
      3.Kobe
      4.Chris Paul
      5.Dwight
      6.Durant
      7.Melo
      8.Timmy NOW WHAT IT SHOULD BE: 1.Kobe
      2.Wade
      3.LeBron
      4.Paul
      5.Dirk
      6.Timmy
      7.Dwight
      8.Melo
      9.Durant
      By the way Derrick Rose over Billups is crazy (just had to throw that in)

    • Aussie Boy Posted: Oct.15 at 8:28 pm
      1.Bron
      2.Kobe
      3.Dwade
      4.Dwight
      5.CP3
      6.Dirk
      7.Melo
      8.Durant
      9.Duncan

    • BIRDMAN JR Posted: Oct.15 at 8:47 pm
      All this BS about the refs giving the chip to the heat is bull. The reason wade took over was because he attacked the basket each and every time. For those who really know basketball knows that the player who attacks the basket consistently, gets to the line the most. Its the same BS for those who b**ch bout bron drawn fouls, no one in the L attacks the basket on a consistent bases like he does. So tell people who settle for jumpers aka Dirk and Kobe to attack the basket more. Case Closed

    • Matt Posted: Oct.15 at 9:11 pm
      This is typical Slam BS. Why is Dirk ’soft’? Because he doesnt ‘bust caps in asses’ or ‘hit up peeps with rhymes’?? 1. Dirk was our best player in the Finals and hit MANY clutch shots. 2. Yes he was bad in the 2007 series, but every player has a bad series (LeBron in the finals, Kobe in 2004 and 2008). 3. Do you people realise his most productive player after the Nash era has been Jason Terry? Think about that. 4. Those who cite the GSW and Miami series simply want to find a reason to rank Dirk lower 5. Durant has nothing on him, Anthony has nothing on him, Howard has nothing on him. Hell Howard could barely even get a shot off in the Finals. 6. Another example of Slam playing to its audience.

    • Afonso Posted: Oct.15 at 9:47 pm
      @MR: Im an european BLAZERS fan and my favourite personality in the NBA IS BY FAR TIMMY, not only cause of his calmness, unselfishness, anti hero to the media type of behaviour but also for what looks like a high cultured athlete, theres not many as we all know…about his game,I dont have enough basketball knowlege to say hes the best PF ever but he might be and that says about everything…about Dirk your just talkin crazy when sayin a guard or foward can guard him because WE ALL KNOW HE IS UNFREAKINGUARDABLE BY ANY PLAYER, big fella or wing one…I just said hes MUTCH BETTER THAN DURANT NEXT YEAR AND HAS THE SAME EDGE OFFENSIVLY ON TIMMY AS DUNCAN HAS ON HIM DEFENSIVLY.

    • Gerard Himself Posted: Oct.15 at 9:49 pm
      okay, so Hakeem became an American citizen in ‘93. But Steve Nash won it twice before Dirk, and he’s Canadian (and born in South Africa). Nash is not North American.

    • Shem Posted: Oct.15 at 10:21 pm
      No way Dirk has a better year then Durant

    • Jukai Posted: Oct.15 at 10:30 pm
      MR: Look dude, you bring up good points. It’s close. Duncan is still better than Pau, in my opinion. But I think Dirk’s offensive superiority, his health, and clutchness (Duncan no longer takes the final shot, if you haven’t realized) puts him over Duncan. I wouldn’t lambaste you if you did take the Big Fundamental, even at this point… but I’ll take Dirk.

    • The D Train Posted: Oct.15 at 10:36 pm
      @ BIRDMANJR: Wade shot more freethrows in that Finals than any player in history. Go back and watch the back official (the infamous Bennett Salvadore, if I’m not mistaken) call the phantom foul on Dirk when Wade drove to the hoop at the end of game 4 or 5 (dont remember which). Your line of sh!t about it being bull that the refs didnt have a hand in how that series turned out is ridiculous, and if you bother to go back and watch the games, you’ll see that it ranks right up there with the Lakers-Kings series of 2002 for absolutely disgusting officiating. Wade was, no doubt, the best player on the court, but there is a reason that the refs ALWAYS get mentioned when that series comes up.

    • ananuri Posted: Oct.15 at 11:39 pm
      Did you guys watch the NBA? How is Pau the best big man? Best big men who wasn’t able to win even a playoff game when he was the main guy on the team? His Memphis team lost to Dirk’s Mavericks 4:0, as i remember. It’s easy to get stats when other teams main concern is to stop Bryant. And because he is better than Howard, does not mean he is the best player - Howard has no skills at all, he is great athlete and mediocre basketball player. For some reason, Pau wasn’t that great against KG and Perkins, or against Duncan the year before. And where were his skills when he was playing Yao (for 2 games) and 6′6 Chuck Hayes? Lakers were lucky they didn’t run on any good big man in the playoffs (they only played one and he got injured after 2 games).
      Now about Dirk - he is great player, but how is he better than Duncan? Duncan LED his team to 4 championships, and Dirk couldn’t beat Wade, with Mavericks being obviously superior to Heat. Referees? Did you guys watch 2006 west semis, when referees fouled out Duncan for no reason in one game which Spurs lost in the final minutes, or last seconds of the game 7, in regulation, when Duncan was going for a layup and Dirk pretty much BOTH HIS HANDS (he was nowhere near the ball) and didn’t get a call? If referees where good in West semis, they were good in Finals as well. And when Wade and even Shaq were making every single of their FT at the end of game 3, the best shooting big men missed his FT, which pretty much would have clinched the championship. Did any of you see Duncan in clutch (2008 first round, the latest).
      I know, argument is that Dirk is good NOW, and that Duncan is old. Again, did you guys watch the games, when Duncan, with his hurting knees and No NBA player on his team but Parker, still dropped 30 on Mavericks in his 2009 last playoff game? Duncan is not Howard, he is not athletic, he is skilled, his stats are almost the same for the last 4-5 years, and probably will stay the same for the next 2-3 years. If his stats were better or equal to Nowitzki’s with his knees hurting, why do not expect him to be better this year, when reportedly he feels great and his knees are fine?
      Don’t get me wrong, Nowitzki is great basketball player (better than Durant or Carmelo or Pau at this point, in my opinion), but to declare as an universal truth that he is better than Duncan? I don’t know, that will require a lot of proof, and this proof simply does not exist as of today.

    • Teddy-the-Bear Posted: Oct.16 at 12:22 am
      Co-sign ananuri. Those match-ups say it all. Who really thinks Pau is the best big man in the game right now? Seriously? And I’d still take a no-knees Duncan over Dirk and Pau both. Although, its a closer call with Dirk.
      But come on now, Dirk Nowitzki is a “big man” only because he’s a 7 footer; he can’t nearly do anything that Tim Duncan does in the low-post. Dirk is great because he is a match-up nightmare with his skillset combined with his size.

    • The D Train Posted: Oct.16 at 1:26 am
      As much as i love Dirk, I can’t really even fathom anyone saying he is a better basketball player than Tim Duncan. Seriously, Duncan is going down as one of the best, if not the best PF of all time. He’s asked to do different things than Dirk, but he does his job better than just about anyone else in the league. If you asked every coach in the league who they’d rather have if their job depended on one season, i bet Nellie would be the only cat that would take Dirk over Duncan.

    • Jukai Posted: Oct.16 at 1:30 am
      Why do people think that Duncan and Dirk could do SO MUCH BETTER than Pau in his awful Memphis days? That team freaking sucked. They probably would win five more games, maybe get one or two out of Dallas before they’d be out.
      Pau is valuable as a teammate. He is a great passing bigman, runs the floor fantastically, and let’s face it, his defense this year has improved DRASTICALLY (not just proven in the finals, but read all that came out of the European basketball championship… Pau worked it out).
      Likewise, as much as you guys don’t like to admit it, Duncan has diminished. That’s why Dirk was first team all NBA. His man-on-man defense is great, but Duncan isn’t mobile enough to be the team defender he once was. His post shots and midrange game is streakier, depending on how his knees are feeling that day. I don’t know, he sort of was a non-factor in the playoffs…
      Duncan has also never been able to stop Dirk, ever. But that’s just a side point.

    • Teddy-the-Bear Posted: Oct.16 at 1:34 am
      Duncan hasn’t been able to stop Dirk because Dirk is a freaking Small-forward in a Power-forward’s body. That’s why Dirk is so good, because he creates match-up problems for real post-up big men. Let Dirk maneuver on the low block and Duncan would shut him down.

    • Jukai Posted: Oct.16 at 2:00 am
      Teddy: Yes… that’s true… your point?

    • Jukai Posted: Oct.16 at 2:01 am
      Here’s a question for everyone: everyone considers Duncan the best power forward of all time…. where does Garnett and Dirk fall in this all-time list? Would Pau be in there, even in the top 20?

    • jk_light Posted: Oct.16 at 2:34 am
      Teddy: Let Duncan maneuver on the perimeter and Dirk would shut him down.

    • jk_light Posted: Oct.16 at 2:43 am
      And because of the ability of Dirk creating match-up problems he is so hard to stop. (Nearly) every team has to prepare really, really good for him to not get killed. You can limit him somewhat with a strong and physical player who is also fast enough. But he really improved in that area as he dropped the 34 against the Nuggets on K-Mart, the Birdman, Nene and Carmelo.
      And if you limit him, he still scores 20 with 10 and a lower shooting percentage.
      I’m okay with people giving Duncan more value right now but it is a really close argument to me.

    • Anton Posted: Oct.16 at 2:44 am
      Anderson Varejao = Dirk stopper. Fact.

    • PANAGIOTIS VASILOPOULOS Posted: Oct.16 at 3:01 am
      DUNCAN>…DIRK>…PAU>……….>GARNETT

    • PANAGIOTIS VASILOPOULOS Posted: Oct.16 at 3:02 am
      all time that is…..

    • KH10 Posted: Oct.16 at 3:04 am
      DIRK>DURANT>MELO

    • PANAGIOTIS VASILOPOULOS Posted: Oct.16 at 3:04 am
      @Anton…..: and LaBradford Smith=Jordan stopper!!!!!!

    • KH10 Posted: Oct.16 at 3:11 am
      id say TD is the top PF of all time, even though hes really a centre! if KG can pick up another ring then you have to place him above Malone and Barkley two other all world MVP’s and then Dirk, i was never lucky enough to see the greats of the 70’s and 80’s, but in recent years those are the top guys, with awards, stats, MVP’s and rings. Pau will get his name up there if the lakers win a few more.(i guess Rodman should figure in the top 10 too)

    • KH10 Posted: Oct.16 at 3:13 am
      DIRK>CRAIG EHLO

    • cb 34 Posted: Oct.16 at 3:16 am
      I agree anton. Andy gives dirk fits. In fact, i think andy matches up well with any power forward or center and that includes pau, dirk, tim or kg. He just can’t stop dwight but aside from him, he’s a good matchup against anybody.

    • cb 34 Posted: Oct.16 at 3:28 am
      @ spanny: Labradford smith was never considered a jordan stopper. He just lit up mike for 39 and was teased by phil that smith owned him. So the next night of a back to back with washington, jordan lit up labradford for 38 in the 1st half alone. He would have had 39 in the 1st half too if mj didn’t miss that 1 free throw.

    • PANAGIOTIS VASILOPOULOS Posted: Oct.16 at 4:17 am
      @cb 34…..:what happened to Menenghin junior….(Andrea)?? He was like a “euro Penny” in his prime….

    • Jukai Posted: Oct.16 at 4:57 am
      I’d say….
      1. Tim Duncan
      2. Karl Malone
      3. Kevin Garnett
      4. Charles Barkley
      5. Elvin Hayes
      6. Kevin McHale
      7. Bob Pettit
      8. Dave DeBusschere
      9. Bob McAdoo
      10. Dirk Nowitzki
      Which is pretty much identical to the list I gave out last time where people lambasted me for putting Dirk at number 10.
      There just ain’t a lot of great power forwards in history. Sorry Lucas/Hawkins/Webber/Chambers/Haywood/Rodman/Kemp/Wallace

    • Chukaz Posted: Oct.16 at 6:20 am
      well if u wanna talk about who’s the better player then dirk is better than tim cuz he’s more skilled but duncan is a better power forward. kg is da greatest pf in da history of da league cuz he combined bein good at his position n havin a ridiculous skill set but that’s just me

    • Darksaber Posted: Oct.16 at 6:22 am
      Hahaha, Spanny’s comeback to Anton earlier was fan…tastic. THAT’S how you endear yourself to the comments section… Witty comebacks. Nice one.

    • Darksaber Posted: Oct.16 at 6:30 am
      Antonis, Marousi only represents such a small area of Athens? Damn, Alba players should quit now… The shame.

    • PANAGIOTIS VASILOPOULOS Posted: Oct.16 at 6:43 am
      @Chukaz…..:you are almost right about KG. He was missing just one piece to became the greatest forward of all-time. Problem is that he could do nothing about this missing piece. You either have it by birth or not….that’s life.
      @ Darksaber….:i couldn’t seriously put Dirk and “Vare…who??” in the same sentence for the same reason i cannot put Manu or Calderon in the same sentence with the shoe-seller(there we go again….). I have always been confused/sad with what happened to Dirk and to our nat*onal team: we never (since Gallis…) had a top-10 in the w*rld player/scorer/leader (discussions on Dirk’s leadership/clutch abilities are simply laughable) in our dispotition but for the last 10 years we are blessed with 6 to 8 exceptionally good/smart(in bball terms) players.At the exact same period Dirk has been alone(Nichagbatche, Femerling,Okoulaja wouldn’t even make it to the end of our bench) achieving M-I-R-A-C-L-E-S (3 place in 2002, 2 place in 2005). I think that our team was a Dirk (or even Pau) away of having exactly the same success with Spain or Argentina the last decade….(we are just behind them anyway…..)

    • PANAGIOTIS VASILOPOULOS Posted: Oct.16 at 6:45 am
      it is a neighborhood team with 200-300 supports in their regular games for the championship….

    • PANAGIOTIS VASILOPOULOS Posted: Oct.16 at 6:47 am
      supports=supporters

    • Darksaber Posted: Oct.16 at 7:18 am
      Antonis, now don’t you be mean to Ademola. For most tournaments, he was Dirk’s only consistent frontcourt player with more heart than many a rugby player. I LUV the way Okulaja made up for his lack of speed or big hops by being the team clawer/fighter. Gimme 4 of those and i’ll beat any team. Femerling and nighabastreetballer can go to hades for all i care (though Patrick had his moments). Their best/touggest PG was Mirthat Demirel for chrissake. And yes, most american Slam readers have NO CLUE what Dirk did for Deutschland from around 00 -08. Ri-di-cu-lous. In one EC semifinals (Ger vs Esp) in 05, Dirk was guarded by the following: Garba(sucks)a, Gasol, Gimenes and any other Frontcourt player on Spain’s team and lit them up for 27 & 7. Dirk hit a baseline jumper over Jorge (who basically tackled him all game long) to win the game. This led to the most incredible, enthusiastic, ecstatic outburst of a TV commentator not based in a south American soccer stadium, that i’ve ever heard. (Frank Buschmann, Channel DSF).

    • PANAGIOTIS VASILOPOULOS Posted: Oct.16 at 7:33 am
      i would have done just a small exception for Ademola(teamed with Vince and Jamison at NC,i was thrilled with him then…) but it would have been too much for my kids so i decided not to do it…..(i was sad when i heard that he got sick)at the same time i was sure you knew about him anyway….i also don’t like Garbajosa(he destroyed as in the 2006 world final…) but he was(before injuries) a really great player….i was so happy for your win in 2005 in the semis (if Spain had made it to the finals we would have propably lost once again…they have our number) i didn’t even needed to see the final after Spain was out(of course i saw it anyway….).

    • al Posted: Oct.16 at 8:10 am
      Darksaber, GASOL DID NOT PLAY 2005!! otherwise… But Dirk was great, no doubt. Calderon could have won the game last second though.
      It has great merit what Dirk has done with the National Team Regarding Greece, they have achieved great things as well, Spain beat them clutch in the last tournaments but used to be our nightmare

    • jk_light Posted: Oct.16 at 8:22 am
      @Darksaber:
      I remember this game as I jumped up and down through the app.
      And Pan is right that besides Okulaja no other German would probably make the first 8 to 12 on teams like USA, Spain, Argentina, Greece and they still managed to finish strong and overachieve thanks to Dirk.
      If I had to pick players only for The Worlds and Olympics right now to build a team around, Dirk would probably be my second pick behind Kobe.

    • jk_light Posted: Oct.16 at 8:24 am
      And I have a feeling that Chris Paul will not play to level of the last two years but I also could be totally wrong. Just a feeling.

    • rikson Posted: Oct.16 at 8:43 am
      Looks like Walter Hermann on the pic :-)

    • jude Posted: Oct.16 at 8:43 am
      im the biggest KD fan there is, but no way Dirk is ranked lower than him… Dirk is wayyyyyyyy underrated, easily the best offensive player in the L…

    • tavoris Posted: Oct.16 at 10:40 am
      Jukai, I’d have no problem AT ALL if you moved Dirk up to #7 on that list of PF’s

    • TC Posted: Oct.17 at 11:00 pm
      Dirk is top 5 no doubt. This is turning into a popularity contest……

    • Niio Posted: Oct.18 at 3:34 am
      “after holding a 2-0, and nearly a 3-0, lead against Dwyane Wade, the officiating crew, and the Miami Heat”. - Am I the only one that is absolutely disgusted that every time people talk about the 2006 NBA finals they always mention that the Mavs were up against D-Wade and the Refs?!!? Give Wade the credit he deserves for pulling off one of the most clutch/dominating performances in NBA finals history!

    • karan Posted: Oct.19 at 6:53 am
      cosign Niio. and also, KG >>> Dirk

    • MightyJ0E Posted: Oct.22 at 1:59 pm
      You guys remember that Dirk has a MVP trophy, has been to the finals, and is All-NBA almost every year right?
      What the hell has Melo or Durant done to match those kind of accolades?

    • Voice of Reason Posted: Oct.22 at 9:51 pm
      If Dirk was black, Slam would have him in top 3. Slam is an extremely racist publication, period end of sentence!

    • Voice of Reason Posted: Oct.22 at 9:56 pm
      Hey Chukaz, Check the stats and video tape… every time Dirk faces KG, Dirk takes him to school! KG is WAY over rated.

    • Voice of Reason Posted: Oct.22 at 9:59 pm
      Anton, please put down your crack pipe, your are talking jibberish… please check stats, facts and video tape before making foolish comments

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