Thursday, October 8th, 2009 at 8:00 am  |  148 responses

Top 50: Tony Parker, no. 15

The definitive ranking of the NBA’s best players.

by Adam Sweeney

Look up the word envy and you will see it is described as a noun originating from France that expresses a feeling of discontent and resentment aroused by and in conjunction with desire for the possessions or qualities of another. Ask me to use it in a sentence and I can give you a few.Tony Parker For example, I envy the speed and teardrop floater that Tony Parker shows off every night he plays. You could also say I, a Houston Rockets fan, envy how many titles Tony Parker has helped lead the San Antonio Spurs to in his career. And it should go without saying that any sane individual must envy Parker for his relationship with a certain Desperate Housewife. It’s only fitting that both the word being dissected and the player in focus come from the same country.

Let’s step back a few sentences and clarify a point of discussion. You might be thinking, “Tony Parker didn’t lead S.A. to multiple titles. That was Tim Duncan.” You’d be partially right. Tim has unquestionably cemented himself as the greatest power forward of all-time. Without him the Spurs don’t have a dynasty. But there is a lack of respect that the point guard position receives, none more understanding of this notion than Parker. It wasn’t Tony’s job to take the last shot. That was Timmy’s job. Until recently, it has always been Parker’s job to defer. And while Duncan stepped into the spotlight from day one of his NBA career, there is a certain beauty to the way Parker’s game has grown over the years, so much so that it shouldn’t be surprising if Parker supplants Duncan this season as the franchise player in San Antonio.

To study the timeline of Parker’s career is an exercise in maturity. He was a player that was initally dismissed by Gregg Popovich in a workout because he couldn’t handle the physical nature of the NBA game. Nothing has come easy for Parker. He had to figure out how to craft his style of play. He’s been in Pop’s doghouse plenty of times, even to the point where he was warned not to shoot 3′s. But every season that we see Parker, there is a new facet to his game. He’s not perfect but neither are we. Have any of us not been chastised by a coach for firing outside of our range? Parker is a player worth celebrating because he is the best of us. He has had to weather the same hardships every talented baller with a touch of recklessness had to endure, the difference being that he found a way to put it together. Parker’s growth as an NBA player is what we wish we could have achieved, if only we had that speed, that elusiveness, that… sorry, here comes the enviousness again.

It is only a matter of time before you see an ESPN header that reads “The French-ise” with Parker’s smiling mug underneath it. There’s no accounting for taste in headlines but it is time that we start accounting for Parker in terms of importance to the Spurs and the league in general. He’s already become the first European player to win an NBA Finals MVP, and Parker had career highs last season in points per game and assists, at 22.0 and 6.9 respectively. As Manu Ginobili and Duncan enter perhaps the twilight of their careers, which is strange to hear myself say, Parker is hitting his prime.

Anyone who questions this notion can go back to the 4-1 series loss the Spurs suffered at the hands of the Dallas Mavericks. Tony dropped 28.6 a game on Dallas even though the Mavericks knew he and Duncan were the only two players worth guarding on the Spurs. Try convincing me Michael Finley was a threat. You have a better chance of arguing that Paul Blart: Mall Cop deserves an Academy Award. It takes a special player to slash through a defense that is waiting for him. Parker is that player.

Ask someone to name the best point guards in the NBA and you almost assuredly will hear the names of Chris Paul, Steve Nash and Deron Williams listed first. How many rings do those guys have between them? Nada. Parker has three to his name. If he wins this year, and the Spurs have to be considered a serious contender with the acquisitions of Richard Jefferson and Antonio McDyess, maybe Parker will be generous enough to keep one ring for himself and give one a piece to the aforementioned PGs on the list.

You can argue that Parker’s outside game is sorely lacking, that his jump shot can be inconsistent at times and that he has been blessed with exceptional talent around him. I’ll give you the first two contentions but you can’t blame a player for being placed on an organization that understands the importance of chemistry, balance and depth. And talent doesn’t equal championships. I submit the Phoenix Suns for your consideration. At the end of the day it is all about winning and right now there isn’t a point guard in the league with the amount of talent and rings to match Tony Parker.

In the same way that the New England Patriots don’t measure success by number of magazine front covers or jersey sales, the Spurs all understand that legacies are measured by championships. Based upon that criteria, Parker’s legacy rises higher than Vince Carter did in the 2000 Slam Dunk Contest. Parker said it best. “When there is talk about the best point guards, sometimes they don’t talk about me. But that’s not my main motivation. They can talk about Jason Kidd, Steve Nash, Deron Williams and Chris Paul. I still have the most rings.

Truer words have never been spoken.

Notes
• Rankings are based solely on projected ’09-10 performance.
• Contributors to this list include: Jake Appleman, Brett Ballantini, Russ Bengtson, Toney Blare, Shannon Booher, Myles Brown, Franklyn Calle, Gregory Dole, Emry DowningHall, Jonathan Evans, Adam Fleischer, Jeff Fox, Sherman Johnson, Aaron Kaplowitz, John Krolik, Holly MacKenzie, Ryne Nelson, Chris O’Leary, Ben Osborne, Alan Paul, Susan Price, Sam Rubenstein, Khalid Salaam, Kye Stephenson, Adam Sweeney, Vincent Thomas, Tzvi Twersky, Justin Walsh, Joey Whelan, Eric Woodyard, and Nima Zarrabi.
• Want more of the SLAMonline Top 50? Check out the archive.

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  • http://slamonline.com Allenp

    Bryan
    But, Parker takes easier shots, mostly layups, so that elimates long rebounds and run outs.
    I think the fact that Parker is consistently in the lane and forcing players into foul trouble is a sign of efficiency in a way. I rarely see Parker shoot a stupid shot, while I have seen Nash, because of his talent and the system, shoot some pretty wild three pointers.
    I don’t know.

  • http://myspace.com/brandnew Bryan

    I don’t know about style points or whatever but I’m just going on numbers alone if nash took 6 more shots per game that’s roughly 7.5 points more going by true shooting and points per shot putting him at about 23.2 per game. I mean that’s not much and this is all speculative but I mean like 4 or five straight years of 50 40 90 is pretty remarkable , especially when it was more like 53 45 and 92. Parker is a great scorer but he can only get the points one way in my opinion which is fine I know all shaq did was dunk etc a bucket is a bucket no matter how you slice it but ill take mine from anywhere on the floor as opposed to 13 feet and in. You can give the ball to nash and he can score anywhere on the court with great regularity and still distribute the ball at a better rate. I just like him better that’s all. By the way have we seen nash on this list yet I forgot already?

  • don

    when arguments on the 15th best player are these long, i’m so excited to see the page that will show lebron as # 1. and um, yeah, TONY is a great player, i’d love to see him, AI, and Barbosa run a western allstars fastbreak on February.

  • davidR

    bryans comment at 10:55 made me laugh

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  • http://slamonline.com The underrated one

    Quinze c’est un meilleur positon! pardon my french lol

  • http://fdsjklf.com Jukai

    Bryan: Every extra shot one takes draws more attention and is harder to connect. Nash scores efficiently because he doesn’t take many shots. I think Nash could probably score 22-25 points (like Allen said) with similar percentages, but I think Parker could get 30 with similar percentages.
    Not saying I think Parker’s overall better, just saying score-wise, there really isn’t anyone in the NBA who can stop him. Footwork and speed is too much.

  • Rusty

    Tavoris: NBA players a big boys, they can take care of themselves. we are entiltled to our own opinion of them.

  • Rusty

    Tavoris: NBA players a big boys, they can take care of themselves. we are entiltled to our own opinion of them.

  • youngmuggsy

    It’s funny how Parker always gets knocked for being a poor shooter when he made 42% of his mid-range shots last season. I’ll throw out some other superstars mid-range % for comparison, Kobe 44%, Durant 40%, Lebron 37%, Rip Hamilton 41%.

  • http://fdsjklf.com Jukai

    youngmuggsy: When people talk about shooting, they usually refer to right inside or outside the three line. Midrange shooting is dead nowadays.

  • Afonso

    @greek fella: YOUR LIST IS RIDICULOUS, THIS IS NOT THE BEST SHOOTERS LIST OR RAY RAY WOULD BE TOP!!!!!

    HOW CAN I FORGET GASOL?!DID YOU GUYS SAW HOW HE PUT DWIGHT IN HIS POCKET IN THE FINALS?!!??

    SO IT SHOULD GO LIKE THIS: LBJ»KOBE»FLASH»CP3»D12»DIRK»MELO»BROY»GASOL»TIMMY»KG»BOSH»DWILL»DURANT

  • Teddy-the-Bear

    Dwight is not the second best player in the league, James. Come on now.

  • Teddy-the-Bear

    @ Allenp: Well, Tony Parker does shoot some bad shots sometimes in the lane. His tear drops can be really wild sometimes; many times he even prefers them to pull-up J’s. I’ve seen him have an open jumpshot, but pass it up and chuck up a weird floater off one foot instead… He’s great at drawing fouls though, so I guess it works out.

  • Teddy-the-Bear

    Co-sign youngmug:
    It gets a little annoying when players who have decent jumpers get labeled as poor shooters. I don’t care what “experts” and “analysts” say, no defender in the league would feel comfortable leaving Tony Parker wide-open for a jumper. The same goes for Allen Iverson, LeBron James, etc.

  • youngmuggsy

    Jukai: That may be true but parker’s mid-range J is dangerous enough to keep the defense honest and for a slasher that’s all that matters.

  • http://myspace.com/brandnew Bryan

    Jukai, my point is that given the same number of shots nash would have more points because of his high percentages and three point shooting making him a more efficient scorer, not a better one just more efficient. Parker is also efficient but not as much as nash.

  • http://fdsjklf.com Jukai

    youngmuggsy: Agreed.
    Bryan: Well, you missed my point. If Nash took 17 shots like Parker does a game… that doesn’t necessarily mean that Nash is going to keep the same percentages. Nash doesn’t force things, he either a) heats up and shoots quick Js or b) waits for his smart opportunity to score. If he took six more shots, he’d likely be taking worse shots, and his percentages would drop.
    Would it drop past Tony Parker? I don’t know. Doubtful.

  • tavoris

    Rusty, true…however, some people flame on here about players who AREN’T their favorite players. And if I wasn’t commenting on a person who hadn’t been labeled a troll by the website already, then that would be a valid argument. The Greek Guy knows that he only posts those insulting comments to see how people will respond. I usually only entertain dude because he will spam the comments nonsensically if you don’t keep him on the topic. The Greek Guy would probably be surprised to know that my favorite players hardly get much luv up here, and also that I have enough friends playing internationally to have an appreciation for the FIBA game.

  • Danny W UK

    If rings are how you measure Greatness, particularly at the point, how do you rate Stockton? For me? 1.Kobe 2. LeBron 3. Dwight 4. Tyreke Evans 5.DWade. Summin like that ;-)

  • Sarah

    Agree with most everything. But I don’t think you have to concede that Tony’s jumper can be inconsistent anymore. He’s no more inconsistent than LeBron in that area. He still doesn’t light it up from 3 too often (nor does he shoot too many of them), but his range and consistency are pretty damn good these days.

  • http://www.hibachi20.blogspot.com Hursty

    Greek dude – please don’t talk about me if I’m not participating in a conversation. Thanks.

  • http://www.hibachi20.blogspot.com Hursty

    Tony’s midrange jumper is deadly – especially coming off of screens. I think it’s superior to the majority of NBA players.
    TP’s issue was he couldn’t score enough coming off high pick n rolls (round about 6-8 feet above the 3pt line) because the defensive guard would just slip into the lane so TP couldn’t throw the rock to TD or anyone else. Forcing him to pick the ball up and throw a dodgy jumper or force a pass.

  • http://www.slamonline.com Pardeep

    Yeah Tony P is lethal. He is going to take the Spurs over next year for sure. Spurs gotta get some young guys around him though because when Duncan leaves Parker is not going to be able to carry the Spurs to the playoffs unless he becomes a amazing scorer. Sign Melo in 2011?

  • http://www.bulls.com Enigmatic

    I can’t hate on Parker, but when it comes to the hierarchy of the San Antonio Spurs, I put Duncan first, Ginobili second, and then Parker.

  • Solon

    An Ode to French People:
    From personal experiences with every french person I have ever met-they are generally snobbish, snooty, lazy (everyone in the country goes on strike at the drop of a hat, if you work for two years anywhere in the EU the french government will pay you almost 2000 euros a month to sit on your a$$), arrogant, thinks they are the best people in the world-that their food, their art, their women, their cheese, their wine, etc. are better than anything else any country has ever done. While these are all generalizations, they have held generally true. Just as Americans are generally fatter, louder, and better at basketball then the rest of the world.
    Greece sucks too.

  • http://fdsjklf.com Jukai

    Solon: Yeah, and how about them blacks and jews and gays, huh?

  • http://www.hibachi20.blogspot.com Hursty

    Jukai – does it even matter that the French have EARNT that representation? At least partially anyways.
    If I was to make broad, sweeping remarks about the French, snobbish and arrogant are words I would use too. C’mon.
    Also, he’s ‘attacking’ a country – not a race or sexual orientation.
    (Note: I don’t condone what was written either)

  • Tons

    Do you think americans deserve to be considered as fat slobs and idiots ?

  • http://www2.gsb.columbia.edu/faculty/jstiglitz/ PANAGIOTIS VASILOPOULOS

    @Jukai&Hursty……:another “genious” (Eboy) has written in the past much worse things than Solon (although more entertaining since Eboy’s kindergarden way of writing is much more funny ). Don’t waste your time with such guys, they cause no harm to France (or whichever country). They just humiliate themselves (although they ain’t able to understand this) and the country they represent(ok,that’s a problem…).

  • http://www2.gsb.columbia.edu/faculty/jstiglitz/ PANAGIOTIS VASILOPOULOS

    CONGRATULATIONS TO PRESIDENT OBAMA!!!!!!

  • monkeyball

    Barack Obama winning the 2009 Nobel Peace Prize is like Shaquille O’Neal being elected to the NBA’s 50 Greatest Players in 1996. Everyone knew they’d deserve it eventually, but they hadn’t done enough to earn it YET.

  • tavoris

    what a weird turn this discussion about Tony Parker has turned.

  • http://www2.gsb.columbia.edu/faculty/jstiglitz/ PANAGIOTIS VASILOPOULOS

    @monkeyball…..:PERFECT!!!

  • http://www2.gsb.columbia.edu/faculty/jstiglitz/ PANAGIOTIS VASILOPOULOS

    @tavoris…..:keep away from this “weird turn” my little friend, it ain’t for you. You might get lost!! (and then, what we are going to do wihout you…???!!!!)

  • http://Www.gmx.net Darksaber

    Here comes a rant, be warned: how the effing eff did Barack win a Nobel peace prize already? And the ludicruous reason too. For his efforts at ridding the world of nuclear Weapons? Scrapping the missile defense shield plans for europe? First, does the Nobel prize comitee need publicity this badly? Really? One of my many interests is following developments in military tech allover the world, especially airborne systems. And believe me, Russia & the US have enough nuclear weapons to obliterate us all ten times over. So Obama speeds up the scrapping of old landbased nuclear missiles with multiple re-entry warheads (which cost a ton on a day to day basis anyway), while the sub based, mobile landbased weapons are being modernised. And newer more effective weapons are being developed on both sides. And hey, the israelis are “rumored” to have an arsenal themselves, as well as India, Pakistan, maybe South africa and the Euro powers (UK/FRA.) where’s Obama’s efforts to disarm them? Yeah, thought so. So there goes that reason. This is a bloody PR move, and a small travesty imo. His efforts to encourage dialogue are commendable, inspiring even, but Palestinians still suffer, Sudanese still flee, Kim Jong still watches the nba nightly in his palace etc. Etc. And the US is still battling terror in 2 countries (openly). The peace prize? What peace? Let the man accomplish something first. Gawd.

  • http://Www.gmx.net Darksaber

    Sorry about that, Antonis suckered me into venting. And this is the only online forum that i comment on. Back to country bashing, peeps. Vive la France et manger votre baguettes avec satisfaction, mecs!

  • jdn41

    Obama is a smart man, first dude looked after his own interest taking nuclear weapons from everyone else, this prevents anyone from messing with the US, the cold war was based on both side deterrence from each other due to total annihilation so he gives him self MORE POWER in international affairs PLUS gets a noble prize forget micheal jordan, now that is G

  • http://www2.gsb.columbia.edu/faculty/jstiglitz/ PANAGIOTIS VASILOPOULOS

    @Darksaber____:OK,OK, but….what about Alba???!!!!!!(you should know how mch politics are involved at such kinds of awards)

  • http://Www.gmx.net Darksaber

    Someday i gotta find out your name, till then i’ll stick to Fotsis… Hehe… Alba? To be honest my man, i haven’t been following the new club season in europe yet, slowly getting back into the groove of things. What ABOUT Alba Berlin? Euroleague / Eurocup qualifiers starting up?

  • tavoris

    Greek Dude…keep ‘em coming…just waiting for you to get banned AGAIN.

  • http://www2.gsb.columbia.edu/faculty/jstiglitz/ PANAGIOTIS VASILOPOULOS

    @tavoris……..:i was never banned (but i think i came close.Anyway,doesn’t matter to me)
    @Darksaber……:Alba is fighting for the last spot for next years Euroleague. They lost in Athens by 9 points and they have to cover it. Marousi is a small team but with much pride.

  • anthony

    if blah-blah did this, and blah-blah did that…
    stop lamenting on what could’ve been, people.
    NO, he did not get drafted by memphis.
    NO, nash didn’t average 23 ppg.
    parker is with the spurs and he has developed under the pop system into the player that he is right now.
    and stop with the “john had more rings than charles” BS. gahd, you guys are dumb@$$e$.
    just give tony his props. he deserves it.

  • http://riccardo_walker@yahoo.com Blackrick

    I wasn’t sold on the gut for a while but the last few years he’s been the most consistent pg outside of CP3.$ rings is hard to knock and based off of last year this ranking is about right.

  • http://riccardo_walker@yahoo.com Blackrick

    I wasn’t sold on the guy for a while but the last few years he’s been the most consistent pg outside of CP3.$ rings is hard to knock and based off of last year this ranking is about right.

  • Irfan

    (posted on last year’s Nash page, pasted here for some reasons after I read all the hate on TP unleashed in 2006-2007-2008, from journalists as well as fans – though I don’t like TP as a person)

    One year later, it’s funny to see how hyperhyped were the Suns…
    Nash #6
    Stoudemire #9
    Shaq #38
    But the Suns didn’t make it to the playoffs. (almost the same could be said with the Pistons, thank you AI)

    Parker #21, Billups #25, Roy #28 and Gasol #31 (way too low for these players). It shows how silly are these rankings, but yet we love them !!
    No one can argue that Roy was only the 28th best player this year, nor Gasol only 31st !! So 2008 ranking was quite bad, and so will be 2009 ranking, but that’s the way prospectives go !
    Also, Durant went from 50th to Top 13 ?!

    Baron Davis #16
    Gilbert Arenas #17
    AI #18
    T-Mac #20
    Marion #23
    All these players weren’t in the 50 best players this year for sure, despite what the stupid ASG votes tell.

    Is there a kind of forum on SLAMonline ? It could be nice to compare and discuss the past and present Tops, and be useful for the next.
    To me, your Top 50 is too much based on the regular season and on top tens.
    Pau dominated in the play-offs, Parker was great all the year long and did his best without TD and Ginobili, Artest was huge in the playoffs, not to mention Billups’ effect ; yet, they don’t have the respect they deserve. But Arenas does, which is stunning !

  • Shawn_b

    there’s no way TP should be ever ranked higher than Manu. NO F**KING WAY.

  • Shawn_b

    TP = ball hog

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