October 8, 2009 8:00 am  |  146 Comments

Top 50: Tony Parker, no. 15

The definitive ranking of the NBA’s best players.

by Adam Sweeney

Look up the word envy and you will see it is described as a noun originating from France that expresses a feeling of discontent and resentment aroused by and in conjunction with desire for the possessions or qualities of another. Ask me to use it in a sentence and I can give you a few.Tony Parker For example, I envy the speed and teardrop floater that Tony Parker shows off every night he plays. You could also say I, a Houston Rockets fan, envy how many titles Tony Parker has helped lead the San Antonio Spurs to in his career. And it should go without saying that any sane individual must envy Parker for his relationship with a certain Desperate Housewife. It’s only fitting that both the word being dissected and the player in focus come from the same country.

Let’s step back a few sentences and clarify a point of discussion. You might be thinking, “Tony Parker didn’t lead S.A. to multiple titles. That was Tim Duncan.” You’d be partially right. Tim has unquestionably cemented himself as the greatest power forward of all-time. Without him the Spurs don’t have a dynasty. But there is a lack of respect that the point guard position receives, none more understanding of this notion than Parker. It wasn’t Tony’s job to take the last shot. That was Timmy’s job. Until recently, it has always been Parker’s job to defer. And while Duncan stepped into the spotlight from day one of his NBA career, there is a certain beauty to the way Parker’s game has grown over the years, so much so that it shouldn’t be surprising if Parker supplants Duncan this season as the franchise player in San Antonio.

To study the timeline of Parker’s career is an exercise in maturity. He was a player that was initally dismissed by Gregg Popovich in a workout because he couldn’t handle the physical nature of the NBA game. Nothing has come easy for Parker. He had to figure out how to craft his style of play. He’s been in Pop’s doghouse plenty of times, even to the point where he was warned not to shoot 3’s. But every season that we see Parker, there is a new facet to his game. He’s not perfect but neither are we. Have any of us not been chastised by a coach for firing outside of our range? Parker is a player worth celebrating because he is the best of us. He has had to weather the same hardships every talented baller with a touch of recklessness had to endure, the difference being that he found a way to put it together. Parker’s growth as an NBA player is what we wish we could have achieved, if only we had that speed, that elusiveness, that… sorry, here comes the enviousness again.

It is only a matter of time before you see an ESPN header that reads “The French-ise” with Parker’s smiling mug underneath it. There’s no accounting for taste in headlines but it is time that we start accounting for Parker in terms of importance to the Spurs and the league in general. He’s already become the first European player to win an NBA Finals MVP, and Parker had career highs last season in points per game and assists, at 22.0 and 6.9 respectively. As Manu Ginobili and Duncan enter perhaps the twilight of their careers, which is strange to hear myself say, Parker is hitting his prime.

Anyone who questions this notion can go back to the 4-1 series loss the Spurs suffered at the hands of the Dallas Mavericks. Tony dropped 28.6 a game on Dallas even though the Mavericks knew he and Duncan were the only two players worth guarding on the Spurs. Try convincing me Michael Finley was a threat. You have a better chance of arguing that Paul Blart: Mall Cop deserves an Academy Award. It takes a special player to slash through a defense that is waiting for him. Parker is that player.

Ask someone to name the best point guards in the NBA and you almost assuredly will hear the names of Chris Paul, Steve Nash and Deron Williams listed first. How many rings do those guys have between them? Nada. Parker has three to his name. If he wins this year, and the Spurs have to be considered a serious contender with the acquisitions of Richard Jefferson and Antonio McDyess, maybe Parker will be generous enough to keep one ring for himself and give one a piece to the aforementioned PGs on the list.

You can argue that Parker’s outside game is sorely lacking, that his jump shot can be inconsistent at times and that he has been blessed with exceptional talent around him. I’ll give you the first two contentions but you can’t blame a player for being placed on an organization that understands the importance of chemistry, balance and depth. And talent doesn’t equal championships. I submit the Phoenix Suns for your consideration. At the end of the day it is all about winning and right now there isn’t a point guard in the league with the amount of talent and rings to match Tony Parker.

In the same way that the New England Patriots don’t measure success by number of magazine front covers or jersey sales, the Spurs all understand that legacies are measured by championships. Based upon that criteria, Parker’s legacy rises higher than Vince Carter did in the 2000 Slam Dunk Contest. Parker said it best. “When there is talk about the best point guards, sometimes they don’t talk about me. But that’s not my main motivation. They can talk about Jason Kidd, Steve Nash, Deron Williams and Chris Paul. I still have the most rings.

Truer words have never been spoken.

Notes
• Rankings are based solely on projected ‘09-10 performance.
• Contributors to this list include: Jake Appleman, Brett Ballantini, Russ Bengtson, Toney Blare, Shannon Booher, Myles Brown, Franklyn Calle, Gregory Dole, Emry DowningHall, Jonathan Evans, Adam Fleischer, Jeff Fox, Sherman Johnson, Aaron Kaplowitz, John Krolik, Holly MacKenzie, Ryne Nelson, Chris O’Leary, Ben Osborne, Alan Paul, Susan Price, Sam Rubenstein, Khalid Salaam, Kye Stephenson, Adam Sweeney, Vincent Thomas, Tzvi Twersky, Justin Walsh, Joey Whelan, Eric Woodyard, and Nima Zarrabi.
• Want more of the SLAMonline Top 50? Check out the archive.

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  • ontheroadagain Posted: Oct.8 at 8:03 am
    pas plus…

  • ontheroadagain Posted: Oct.8 at 8:04 am
    pas moins…

  • ontheroadagain Posted: Oct.8 at 8:04 am
    pas mieux…

  • Solon Posted: Oct.8 at 8:05 am
    first?

  • Solon Posted: Oct.8 at 8:11 am
    Good piece-Parker is well deserving.
    He can be basically un-guardable at times (ask the Cavs). One of the fastest 3 players in the league, killer teardrop, and the hardware to back it up. All that being said-I hate french people-lazy basturds…

  • ontheroadagain Posted: Oct.8 at 8:20 am
    c’est réciproque mon gros solon

  • T Money Posted: Oct.8 at 8:31 am
    Great write up Adam. Congratulations Tony…I’ma let you finish…But Chauncey Billups is one of the greatest PG’s of All Time.

  • rog123 Posted: Oct.8 at 8:34 am
    If parker is the FRENCH-ISE, why is he before duncan?? I don’t have a problem with it, just wonderin

  • Clockwork Posted: Oct.8 at 8:36 am
    Good spot for TP. He’s still underrated even after all that winning.

  • will Posted: Oct.8 at 8:36 am
    Ugh, I hate the “how many rings?” argument to measure players when their situations are tremendously different. I agree that TP is a great player but I don’t think it works to bring rings into the discussion when those guys (CP3, DWill, Nash) are all “The Man” on their teams and Tony is a secondary piece. He’s a winner, which is great but to casually namedrop those other guys to try to build TP up just seems unnecessary.

  • Brad Long Posted: Oct.8 at 8:41 am
    If the French Prince played anywhere else I’d be a bigger fan but he plays for the Spurs.

  • Tons Posted: Oct.8 at 8:41 am
    Solon’s right, although he is a racist bastard.

  • T Money Posted: Oct.8 at 8:42 am
    @Brad: If he played anywhere else, he wouldn’t have any rings. He’d be the European Allen Iverson.

  • Ken Posted: Oct.8 at 8:44 am
    Agree with Will. By that logic, John Salley was a way better player than contemporaries of his like Barkley and Ewing.

  • jude Posted: Oct.8 at 8:48 am
    really underrated player, and so much that i didnt know he had such a great last season…

  • rog123 Posted: Oct.8 at 8:59 am
    He has 4 rings. BUT he also has a FINALS MVP. That means he was the best player on the best team. Not secondary

  • ontheroadagain Posted: Oct.8 at 9:05 am
    had TP been drafted by memphis, he’d be a ringless PG
    had TD been drafted by memphis, he’d be a ringless PF
    TP and TD being drafted by SA (plus Manu), they are 4 or 3 rings PF/PG
    that simple

  • T Money Posted: Oct.8 at 9:12 am
    I can’t hate on Parker. Dude increased his scoring by about 5ppg last season. I’d still take Chauncey in a heartbeat though.

  • kobesbestfriend Posted: Oct.8 at 9:32 am
    TP should be in the top 10!he is the best pg in the league!who else at the 1 can score 50 pts?

  • Clark Posted: Oct.8 at 9:35 am
    I think Parker is a very good point guard, but I still really dislike the rings argument. If that argument is true, then Derek Fisher should be in the debate about top PG’s, because he has 4 rings too.

  • Bryan Posted: Oct.8 at 9:35 am
    Lower than I thought he’d be so I can’t even be mad right now.

  • riggs Posted: Oct.8 at 10:13 am
    id rather have chauncey here

  • tavoris Posted: Oct.8 at 10:15 am
    Clark, the different is that Parker is a major cog of the Spurs, and has been for all 3 titles. Fisher-at best-was the Lakers fourth option. The man got 22 points and 7 assists in 34 minutes a game…that’s CRAZY, considering the Spurs’ offense allows for VERY little freelancing.

  • J.C. Posted: Oct.8 at 10:15 am
    “sorry, here comes the enviousness again.” … “enviousness” …

  • Teddy-the-Bear Posted: Oct.8 at 10:16 am
    Derrick Rose.

  • Bryan Posted: Oct.8 at 10:20 am
    But just for the sake of being consistent, f*ck tony parker.

  • PANAGIOTIS VASILOPOULOS Posted: Oct.8 at 10:23 am
    Second best point in the world at the moment(after Deron).
    @Tons….:don’t worry about Solon, he ain’t the smartest guy around…
    @rog…8:34am: EXACTLY. A this moment Parker is over Duncan(breaking news to my kids:all humans ,unfortunately, are aging.) and slightly under a healthy Manu.
    @kobesfriend….9:32am: IVERSON!!!!!(with twice as many shot attempts but who cares…)

  • NUPE Posted: Oct.8 at 10:27 am
    TP has serious game, no doubt. He’s fast, can handle the rock, great court vision and has players to take some of the pressure off of him. I don’t think he’s the 15th best player but I do think he could have the 15th best year. Not a bad spot for him - he could be a little higher or lower and I wouldn’t complain.

  • Wayno Posted: Oct.8 at 10:32 am
    I’d take Chauncey Billups over him, but I still love TP. He’s a fantastic PG.

  • PANAGIOTIS VASILOPOULOS Posted: Oct.8 at 10:37 am
    QUESTION TO EVERYBODY: IF Parker was playing under a system specifically designed for him to be the 1 ,2 and 3rd option of his team offence (like a certain shoe-seller had it for many years in Phily) and given the fact his efficiency and superior smarts to our cute “answer” how many ppg would he have achieved with at least 45%…? Maybe 35? 35 ? 36? Parker >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> A.I. & Starbury & B.Davis &Francis.

  • Allenp Posted: Oct.8 at 10:49 am
    What’s interesting is how Parker gets docked for playing with talent by the same folks who love Steve Nash. They both have talent around them.
    Tony Parker is mad underrated. Dude understands the game for real.

  • Allenp Posted: Oct.8 at 10:51 am
    Hypotheticals are for idiots.

  • Bryan Posted: Oct.8 at 10:51 am
    I don’t dock him for playing with talent but if we are comparing skils , steve nash is a better shooter and bettter passer by miles. I dock him because imo his vision and jumper aren’t up to snuff.

  • niQ Posted: Oct.8 at 10:55 am
    Y’all are going to hate me for saying this but, I CALLED IT YESTERDAY! I said Tony Parker would be next!
    Okay I’m done, I’ma get back to work. lol

  • Bryan Posted: Oct.8 at 10:55 am
    Ill give him credit he’s really good scorer I just don’t like how he scores he’s like that dude on the playground that sucks but still drops buckets on everyone and leaves you like wtf just happened.

  • Moose Posted: Oct.8 at 10:58 am
    Pas mal, pas mal…

  • niQ Posted: Oct.8 at 11:03 am
    Are we missing a #16th on the list? I can’t find it in the archives..

  • niQ Posted: Oct.8 at 11:10 am
    Nvm. Found it, don’t know why it didn’t show up when I clicked on the archives the first few times…

  • rated-O Posted: Oct.8 at 11:26 am
    Parker is simply the beneficiary of the hand check rule changes… Charles Oakley et al would of fore arm shivered him back to the Euroleague if he played in the 80’s. His D is as suspect as Steve Nash’s.\ Bigger, Stronger guards eat that dude up for breakfast.

  • PANAGIOTIS VASILOPOULOS Posted: Oct.8 at 11:35 am
    @Allenp….(10:51am): exactly!!!! So, from now on we have to test every new nuclear weapon(even if it features similar characteristics to the ones already tested, in Hirosima for example) to human populations or else we can never really be sure for the results !!! (My baby, that’s why you are one of my prefered ‘einsteins” of this forum. You never disapoint. Always delivering the goods!!!!)

  • T Money Posted: Oct.8 at 11:36 am
    @Bryan - I hear you homie.

  • kobesbestfriend Posted: Oct.8 at 11:38 am
    I dont know y TP doesnt get more credit…if he was american or played on a marquee team he’d probly be recognized as a top 5 player in the league!no1 can guard him 1 on 1!

  • PANAGIOTIS VASILOPOULOS Posted: Oct.8 at 11:40 am
    @kobesbestfriend….:quite propably.

  • niQ Posted: Oct.8 at 11:41 am
    I also hate the “how many rings” argument. Although it does deserve some merit, to base someone SOLELY on that is like saying Robert Horry was better than Michael Jordan.

  • Allenp Posted: Oct.8 at 11:59 am
    Greek dude
    Make my name taste like ass when you speak it….

  • onlyclipfanonslam Posted: Oct.8 at 12:01 pm
    TP is in my top 3 for PGs. 1. CP3
    2. DWill
    3. Tony “My wife is hotter than yours” Parker

  • tavoris Posted: Oct.8 at 12:01 pm
    thank you, Allenp. Why does he have to bring up AI in EVERY discussion? Maybe he hasn’t quite grasped what “trolling” means. And Duncan is STILL the best player on the Spurs. Manu’s talent makes him the X-factor, but his health (or lack thereof) makes him the 4th most valuable current Spur. Sorry, but I can’t count on a player who isn’t guaranteed to play 60 games.

  • tavoris Posted: Oct.8 at 12:03 pm
    Allenp…ur in rare form today…love it…AI, Stat, Duncan, Marbury, JR Rider, Harold Minor, Jonathan Bender all > That Greek Dude

  • PANAGIOTIS VASILOPOULOS Posted: Oct.8 at 12:37 pm
    @tavoris….:in my prime i had half of them!!!(and it is Harold MinEr but i excuse you since you were unborn when he was dunking)
    @Allenp…..:once again solid argumentation!!!Well,everybody knows you are under 90(maybe even under 80), we do not need any more confirmations.At the same time you unconsciously achieve exactly this daily ,so, for the sake of instant comedy… PLEEEASE keep posting !!!!!

  • Anton Posted: Oct.8 at 12:40 pm
    Second hand smoke.

  • El Ganzo Posted: Oct.8 at 12:51 pm
    Parker at 15 is about right when considering all positions for this ranking. However, pure PG rankings would have to put Parker at 1, not because of his rings but for his skill. This is easy as Parker has played against and beaten many of the other great PG’s of the league in head-to-head match ups, when it has counted: Playoffs. When the Spurs played the Jazz a couple years back D-Will put up a fight but Parker ended up carving up the Jazz D; Spurs win series. Remember that Epic 7 game series with Paul and the Hornets? Yeah, then you would remember Parker besting Paul and taking the Spurs to the finals. Steve Nash? Pfft, not even in the same League as Parker otherwise he would have found a way to lead the Suns past the Spurs at some point in their losing streak to the great Spurs Machine. Go up and down the list of great PG’s v Tony Parker and people will realize that sure Tony won’t win them all but when it matters most Tony smokes them all. Go Spurs Go!

  • tavoris Posted: Oct.8 at 1:10 pm
    Greek Dude…1)you obviously haven’t hit your prime yet. Let that marinate. 2)YOU-of all people-shouldn’t be commenting on anyone’s spelling. That would be the epitome of hypocritical. 3)Allenp is way cooler than you. Hell, nbk, kobesbestfriend, & wayno are too. We entertain your comments-and don’t go postal on you-because you actually make most of the other oft-ridiculed posters look SMARTER. 4)I’m sure you’re gonna spend like 20 minutes formulating a comeback…

  • Darksaber Posted: Oct.8 at 1:12 pm
    Really? 15th. After the 08/09 season he had, scratch that, he celebrated. I have only a few relevant stats from the last season in my head, mainly because i don’t wanna waste cells memorizing mundane Nba Stats, and because most ot the best performances don’t really stay vivid…except for Tony Parker dropping 55 Points and 10 assists on the Wolves in November. on the same night Amaré(sic) had 47&19 against Milwaukee i think. 55 & 10. Then he got injured for a while, then he came back and proceeded to continue his rampage. And that gets him the 15th spot. You see, i love the Dirkster’s game, so i usually root for the Mavs, and over the years against Tony Parker. But last season, he just tore it up, and even during the spurs lame playoff run (if you can call it that) against Dallas, Tony was untouchable. i truly enjoy watching him play, he was on another level at Eurobasket a few weeks ago. True star. Hardware’s there, legacy is building up, Hottie Wife? check. New proven Teammates plus Slam putting him below Deron? I think Tony Toni Toné’s gonna be out for blood this season.

  • Wayno Posted: Oct.8 at 1:14 pm
    thankyou?

  • J-Ro Posted: Oct.8 at 1:16 pm
    does this mean that Robert Horry can argue he’s among the best power forwards of all time just becuase he has more rings than all the others?

  • Darksaber Posted: Oct.8 at 1:16 pm
    and before y’all go off stating the “Nostradamus criteria” of this year’s Top 50 to me, to discredit my post above, i..don’t…care. The groundrules for making this year’s top 50 are bogus in my humble opinion. I’ll stick to “performance in the past season” if you don’t mind. Now everyone carry on with the “Greek dude” bashing. (Antonis, when will you learn, let it be, man.)

  • Allenp Posted: Oct.8 at 1:24 pm
    Tavoris
    I was reading some of Greek dude’s old posts from the last Top 50.
    He revealed that he used to stan for Iverson at Georgetown, but was turned off once AI got to the league.
    Unrequited love drives some folks crazy.

  • 360vue Posted: Oct.8 at 1:38 pm
    i respect parker, partially because he never got the credit he deserved for the last five years, and partially because of whom he goes home to bed every night. however top 15 is too much, i wouldnt even consider him in the top 20 players in the NBA let alone 15 (and i know this article is about projections so i will digress), and as the article mentions, there are at least 3 other better points (CP3, DWill, Nash)in the league and, let alone the four other positions to consider. and his stats arent going to be in the top 15. Even if he gets 22/7 again, thats it, he offers very little on the boards and hes lucky to get more than a steal a game, cant see those stats as being top 15 in production value. Lets be honest, 22 points is probably just under top 20 league leaders. 7ish assists, is probably around top 15 in the L. And initially the ranking might seem concrete, but it isnt; boards/blocks and steals are far more important in a game, not only because of their critical value but their psychological impact upon the opposition. Anyway, not to take anything away from Parker, who is undeniably impressive, but Ginobli missed most of last season, and giving the ball to Duncan in the low area isnt really an assist, its a freakin certainty. Your 09/10 projections seem a bit whack, you can’t knock 22 P/6.9 A/3 R/1 S, but that isnt top 15 in the L surely?!?!

  • PANAGIOTIS VASILOPOULOS Posted: Oct.8 at 1:41 pm
    @Darksaber…:i generally agree on your TP take. What about Alba against Marousi? I excpect a hardfought game on Sunday (p.s. i will never learn!! this would be missing all the fun here!! )
    @tavoris&Allenp….: i love you both.

  • tavoris Posted: Oct.8 at 1:45 pm
    360vue, Parker does it in less minutes, on less shots, and had a greater impact on the game than most PF’s (because he gets to the line so much). Steals are overrated. The Spurs have been a completely dominant defensive team over the last 12 or 13 years, and their best ball-thief (Manu) has only averaged 1.5 steals.

  • UnRel Posted: Oct.8 at 1:47 pm
    Tony Parker got game. The number of rings is used to seperate the elite ballers.. you can’t bring D-Fish into the conversation because he’s not an elite player.. period.. the reason for the ring count is to seperate the best.. from the best.. not the Horrys from the Barkleys.. it’s used to seperate the Barkleys from the Duncans.. come on folks.. thought you knew.. tony parker is a legit PG.. possibly top 3 in the L right now..

  • tavoris Posted: Oct.8 at 1:49 pm
    Allenp…I truly don’t understand how he could be turned off. Maybe some kid crossed him up DECENT when he was wearing the Answer 1’s, and that made him Anti-Iverson. Who knows…maybe he can enlighten us. Lemme google & see how Victor Page is doing…

  • Jukai Posted: Oct.8 at 1:55 pm
    Tavoris: Of course you wouldn’t understand how one can be turned off, you probably french kiss your AI poster when you sleep every night.
    Look, this is coming from me, ME, so take this to heart guys: Nash can NOT get buckets like Parker can get buckets. It’s not close. It never was.

  • tavoris Posted: Oct.8 at 2:02 pm
    Jukai, how did I know you were gonna come in here? If you haven’t noticed, I am a fan of ALL NBA players…AI get’s the most hate in here (except when there’s a Rubio article), so I defend him the most, but the love is equally spread. And I don’t need to make feeble attempts at insult to make myself look smart (are you watching, Greek dude?), or to cover for your apparent inability to separate fact from opinion. So, save the crap for all the people who > you in real life.

  • tavoris Posted: Oct.8 at 2:04 pm
    Jukai, you missed the meat of the discussion. There was more that was implied-like, the fact that the most vehement NBA hater used to be a STAN-and if you bothered to read, you’d see that it was a response to the person whom the message was addressed.

  • tavoris Posted: Oct.8 at 2:09 pm
    Steve Nash actually CAN get buckets like Parker. The separation is because of Nash’s abysmal defense and the high number of turnovers, but not because of scoring ability. If Nash took 6 more shots a game, he’d be right at 22 pts as well.

  • Allenp Posted: Oct.8 at 2:13 pm
    Jukai
    Prickly.

  • Jukai Posted: Oct.8 at 2:15 pm
    Tavoris: and if Parker took six more shots, he’d be at 30. It’s not close. Nash is a “smart” scorer. He’s efficient. Parker gets buckets.

  • Jukai Posted: Oct.8 at 2:17 pm
    Tavoris, you are to AI like Myles is to Kobe. I take little of what you say to heart when that subject comes up.
    Plus you’re trolling Spanny hardcore. It’s against the rules, bud.

  • Afonso Posted: Oct.8 at 2:23 pm
    this is a fair spot for TP although DWill should be right next to it…KEVIN DURANT WILL BE EVEN IN A MORE OVERATED SPOT THAN ROSE IF HE IS TOP 10!!!STILL LAUGHING ROSE WAS 17

  • Jufu Posted: Oct.8 at 2:26 pm
    Just curious. Did Calderon not make the Top 50? That sucks.

  • niQ Posted: Oct.8 at 2:28 pm
    Whoa wtf. the person who posted as Jufu was me. I don’t know why it showed up as Jufu though…

  • Bryan Posted: Oct.8 at 2:30 pm
    Nash can get buckets he dropped 48 on memphis in the playoffs , he would just rather play smart basketball. He would get his 22 more efficiently actually.

  • lou Posted: Oct.8 at 2:31 pm
    Derek Fisher? John Salley? What are you guys talking about? Has John salley ever scored double digits? He was good in bad boys 2, but cmon. Derek fisher is a role player. Tony Parker is a star. Finals MVP, Kobe just got his first last year so imagine how elusive that is. Tony Parker has to balance when to go “off” and when to defer. Driving the lane on a team that posts up the majority of its plays isn’t easy. Dudes resume is impeccable, and do i have to remind people a couple seasons ago he lead the league in points in the paint.

  • christian wells Posted: Oct.8 at 2:48 pm
    I’m thinkin who r the next 14plyrs

  • tavoris Posted: Oct.8 at 2:48 pm
    Jukai…read the threads…the only time I’ve mentioned him (without provocation) is when a Euro team got their asses whupped by an NBA team. Hardly trolling, when he’s called me “his kid”. Additionally, I defend EVERY NBA PLAYER. If you have never played at a high level, then you’d understand how tough the NBA game is. And the difference is that Parker takes 17 shots a game, whereas Nash takes 11. Nash’s abilities as a scorer have NEVER been in question, so I don’t know why you decided to bring it up. As I stated before, we have very little to talk about, since you are STILL unable to separate your opinion from fact…and we all know the saying about opinions…

  • Allenp Posted: Oct.8 at 2:51 pm
    Bryan
    How can you argue that Tony Parker is inefficient if he shoots over 50 percent from the field, from the guard spot, and gets 22 points a game?
    No following that logic.
    Personally, I think Nash could score 22-25 a game if he was really gunning, but I understand Jukai’s point.
    Parker has a scorer’s mentality all the time, while Nash is more of a traditional point guard on offense. HE can score when you test him, but he’d rather just run the show. Parker is constantly looking to tear your heart out.
    As for his effectivness versus Iverson, you cannot discount the fact that when he drives the lane, big men would have to leave the greatest power forward of all time to come stop him.

  • Afonso Posted: Oct.8 at 2:51 pm
    Jose had a bad year,he could be a top10 PG…next should be LeBeast»Kobe»Flash»CP3»D12»Dirk»B7Roy»Timmy»KG»Durant»DWill» and 3 guys im forgeting… I just had a crazy moment..Mo Williams and Jameer wont be here right??!

  • tavoris Posted: Oct.8 at 2:53 pm
    Afonso, Jameer already was up here…45 or something like that

  • Allenp Posted: Oct.8 at 2:54 pm
    Bryan
    My bad, you didn’t say Parker was inefficient, you said Nash could do what he does more efficiently.
    Not sure if that’s true, but it’s different from what I thought you said.

  • Afonso Posted: Oct.8 at 2:59 pm
    can somebody tell me 3 guys i didnt mentioned? please no Mo Williams, who should have been 50 or smthing..

  • Anton Posted: Oct.8 at 3:04 pm
    Fog Raw was robbed

  • christian wells Posted: Oct.8 at 3:07 pm
    ok quickly i’ve tried 2 come up with the nex 14, 14th M.redd,13th G.wallace,12th,C.boozer,11 T.duncan,10th KG,9th,K.durant, 8th C.anthony, 7th,B.roy, 6th,D.williams, 5th,D.howard, 4th,Kobe, 3rd,D.wade,2nd,CP3, 1st,THE KING

  • Allenp Posted: Oct.8 at 3:10 pm
    Christian
    Redd didn’t make the list. Booser was already listed. Duncan and Durant are higher, Gerald Wallace was already listed, or not included at all.
    Kobe and Lebron will be 1,2, can’t have it any other way.

  • christian wells Posted: Oct.8 at 3:11 pm
    DIRK HOW COULD I 4GET DIRK!!! take mike redd out and put dirk…somewhere n my top 14

  • christian wells Posted: Oct.8 at 3:14 pm
    4some reason right now i cant think of nba superstars,it could b the headache i have or i’m n college football mode fully,

  • James the balla Posted: Oct.8 at 3:29 pm
    Bron
    Dwight
    Wade
    Kobe
    Cp3
    Dirk
    Broy
    Durant
    Melo
    Williams
    Kg
    Timmy
    Bosh
    Wallace?
    FOR THE RECORD: As everyone who has been on this site for at least 5 years knows. I am the biggest Kobe supporter here. But we know he isn’t dropping 35.7 ppg this year. So he is a little lower … I would put him number one but I am bias!!

  • James the balla Posted: Oct.8 at 3:34 pm
    Is that a good list?

  • albie1kenobi Posted: Oct.8 at 3:47 pm
    that was an exceptionally well-written article, whether one agrees with the content or not. Any English teacher would be proud (Mr Rubenstein?)

  • Ryne Nelson Posted: Oct.8 at 3:47 pm
    Wow. I think you’re going to be in for a surprise in the next two or so weeks, James.

  • Anton Posted: Oct.8 at 3:49 pm
    ^Why is Sheldon Williams in there?

  • tealish Posted: Oct.8 at 3:59 pm
    Hm, I love TD’s game like any other… but UNQUESTIONABLY CEMENTED as the greatest 4? I don’t know about that. I like to think Karl Malone vs Duncan is a legitimate debate.

  • Afonso Posted: Oct.8 at 4:01 pm
    THIS IS HOW IT SHOULD BE BUT I´M GUESSING THEY OVERATE DURANT A LOT… Lbj»Kobe»Flash»CP3»D12»Dirk»Melo»BRoy»Timmy»KG»Bosh»DWill»Durant…and 1 mistery fella

  • tealish Posted: Oct.8 at 4:04 pm
    And Parker should be higher than Gasol. Lakers + Rings generates too much love here… far too much. Gasol has virtually identical numbers as last year, save 1.5boards more, half a block less, and lower fg%. He was 31 last year. Now he’s going to be 14th best at the minimum? Does his ring last year somehow forecast an improved performance for this upcoming year? Hm….

  • PANAGIOTIS VASILOPOULOS Posted: Oct.8 at 4:17 pm
    @Jukai…..: don’t worry about tavoris trolling me, i (generally) do not respond to him. I have this ‘thing’ with people that “I” think that are not intelligent…call it how you want but even in real life i usually don’t spend much time with guys that i consider below average, i get bored (i know this ain’t good, but that’s how i am…).Some of ‘my kids’ here might be at the same level with tavoris (always according to MY personal judgment) or even lower but AT LEAST they are writting things in their own personal way which(combined with their afformentioned talent) gives a usually hilarious result (Eboy,Allenp,Tadone,Hursty,Betcats,etc). Tavoris (usually) is praising like god every player that is considered a superstar by the mainstream media and cannot observe weaknesses that anybody who has played this game easily can. His comments ,plain&simple, are too boring (once again this is just my opinion). You can ‘talk’ as much as you want with him ,trust me, you will never hear anything new or “interesting/brain challenging”. At the same time, some months ago i remember you spend many hours trying to establish communication with the legendary Teddy and you gave up only after “THE KING” didn’t manage to construct a complete preposition after 3 hours.So, go on with tavoris, maybe you are more lucky with him , i don’t have your patience,sorry.

  • niQ Posted: Oct.8 at 4:19 pm
    Mystery person is Pau Gasol! And wow, when you guys kept saying “Williams” I completely thought Mo williams and then thought HELLNAW.

  • Utah Jazz Blog Posted: Oct.8 at 4:19 pm
    This ranking seems about right. You could argue whether or not he should be higher than Billups, but I can’t really dispute this one.

  • PANAGIOTIS VASILOPOULOS Posted: Oct.8 at 4:41 pm
    Ranking the rest of the guys as WORLD PLAYERS (not JUST their NBA regular season potential): 1)KOBE 2)DURANT 3)DIRK 4)GASOL 5)DERON 6)WADE 7)MELO 8)DUNKAN 9)LEBRON 10)GARNETT 11)BOSH 12)CP3 13)HOWARD 14)ROY. (being able to shoot the ball is-was-will be the number one element in bball).

  • Bryan Posted: Oct.8 at 5:10 pm
    Allen you got what I was saying its all good its hard to follow the way people type sometimes. But nash shoots a higher percentage from everywhere and hits double the 3’s so he would be taking less shots to get 22 ppg which makes him more efficient in my book. The fact that he put up 19 and a 11 like 2 seasons ago makes me think one more layup and a free throw wouldn’t have been hard to come by if he was looking for it.

  • albie1kenobi Posted: Oct.8 at 5:15 pm
    “what do you think about when you hear the words ‘michael jordan’? that’s right, steve nash.”

  • Allenp Posted: Oct.8 at 5:16 pm
    Bryan
    But, Parker takes easier shots, mostly layups, so that elimates long rebounds and run outs.
    I think the fact that Parker is consistently in the lane and forcing players into foul trouble is a sign of efficiency in a way. I rarely see Parker shoot a stupid shot, while I have seen Nash, because of his talent and the system, shoot some pretty wild three pointers.
    I don’t know.

  • Bryan Posted: Oct.8 at 5:25 pm
    I don’t know about style points or whatever but I’m just going on numbers alone if nash took 6 more shots per game that’s roughly 7.5 points more going by true shooting and points per shot putting him at about 23.2 per game. I mean that’s not much and this is all speculative but I mean like 4 or five straight years of 50 40 90 is pretty remarkable , especially when it was more like 53 45 and 92. Parker is a great scorer but he can only get the points one way in my opinion which is fine I know all shaq did was dunk etc a bucket is a bucket no matter how you slice it but ill take mine from anywhere on the floor as opposed to 13 feet and in. You can give the ball to nash and he can score anywhere on the court with great regularity and still distribute the ball at a better rate. I just like him better that’s all. By the way have we seen nash on this list yet I forgot already?

  • don Posted: Oct.8 at 5:32 pm
    when arguments on the 15th best player are these long, i’m so excited to see the page that will show lebron as # 1. and um, yeah, TONY is a great player, i’d love to see him, AI, and Barbosa run a western allstars fastbreak on February.

  • davidR Posted: Oct.8 at 5:32 pm
    bryans comment at 10:55 made me laugh

  • [...] Adam Sweeney of Slam Online has Tony Parker ranked number 15 among the league’s 50 best players. “It takes a special player to slash through a defense that is waiting for him. Parker is that player.” [...]

  • The underrated one Posted: Oct.8 at 5:51 pm
    Quinze c’est un meilleur positon! pardon my french lol

  • Jukai Posted: Oct.8 at 5:53 pm
    Bryan: Every extra shot one takes draws more attention and is harder to connect. Nash scores efficiently because he doesn’t take many shots. I think Nash could probably score 22-25 points (like Allen said) with similar percentages, but I think Parker could get 30 with similar percentages.
    Not saying I think Parker’s overall better, just saying score-wise, there really isn’t anyone in the NBA who can stop him. Footwork and speed is too much.

  • Rusty Posted: Oct.8 at 5:59 pm
    Tavoris: NBA players a big boys, they can take care of themselves. we are entiltled to our own opinion of them.

  • Rusty Posted: Oct.8 at 6:00 pm
    Tavoris: NBA players a big boys, they can take care of themselves. we are entiltled to our own opinion of them.

  • youngmuggsy Posted: Oct.8 at 6:00 pm
    It’s funny how Parker always gets knocked for being a poor shooter when he made 42% of his mid-range shots last season. I’ll throw out some other superstars mid-range % for comparison, Kobe 44%, Durant 40%, Lebron 37%, Rip Hamilton 41%.

  • Jukai Posted: Oct.8 at 6:08 pm
    youngmuggsy: When people talk about shooting, they usually refer to right inside or outside the three line. Midrange shooting is dead nowadays.

  • Afonso Posted: Oct.8 at 6:42 pm
    @greek fella: YOUR LIST IS RIDICULOUS, THIS IS NOT THE BEST SHOOTERS LIST OR RAY RAY WOULD BE TOP!!!!! HOW CAN I FORGET GASOL?!DID YOU GUYS SAW HOW HE PUT DWIGHT IN HIS POCKET IN THE FINALS?!!?? SO IT SHOULD GO LIKE THIS: LBJ»KOBE»FLASH»CP3»D12»DIRK»MELO»BROY»GASOL»TIMMY»KG»BOSH»DWILL»DURANT

  • Teddy-the-Bear Posted: Oct.8 at 6:59 pm
    Dwight is not the second best player in the league, James. Come on now.

  • Teddy-the-Bear Posted: Oct.8 at 7:02 pm
    @ Allenp: Well, Tony Parker does shoot some bad shots sometimes in the lane. His tear drops can be really wild sometimes; many times he even prefers them to pull-up J’s. I’ve seen him have an open jumpshot, but pass it up and chuck up a weird floater off one foot instead… He’s great at drawing fouls though, so I guess it works out.

  • Teddy-the-Bear Posted: Oct.8 at 7:05 pm
    Co-sign youngmug:
    It gets a little annoying when players who have decent jumpers get labeled as poor shooters. I don’t care what “experts” and “analysts” say, no defender in the league would feel comfortable leaving Tony Parker wide-open for a jumper. The same goes for Allen Iverson, LeBron James, etc.

  • youngmuggsy Posted: Oct.8 at 7:15 pm
    Jukai: That may be true but parker’s mid-range J is dangerous enough to keep the defense honest and for a slasher that’s all that matters.

  • Bryan Posted: Oct.8 at 7:39 pm
    Jukai, my point is that given the same number of shots nash would have more points because of his high percentages and three point shooting making him a more efficient scorer, not a better one just more efficient. Parker is also efficient but not as much as nash.

  • Jukai Posted: Oct.8 at 8:10 pm
    youngmuggsy: Agreed.
    Bryan: Well, you missed my point. If Nash took 17 shots like Parker does a game… that doesn’t necessarily mean that Nash is going to keep the same percentages. Nash doesn’t force things, he either a) heats up and shoots quick Js or b) waits for his smart opportunity to score. If he took six more shots, he’d likely be taking worse shots, and his percentages would drop.
    Would it drop past Tony Parker? I don’t know. Doubtful.

  • tavoris Posted: Oct.8 at 8:35 pm
    Rusty, true…however, some people flame on here about players who AREN’T their favorite players. And if I wasn’t commenting on a person who hadn’t been labeled a troll by the website already, then that would be a valid argument. The Greek Guy knows that he only posts those insulting comments to see how people will respond. I usually only entertain dude because he will spam the comments nonsensically if you don’t keep him on the topic. The Greek Guy would probably be surprised to know that my favorite players hardly get much luv up here, and also that I have enough friends playing internationally to have an appreciation for the FIBA game.

  • Danny W UK Posted: Oct.8 at 10:32 pm
    If rings are how you measure Greatness, particularly at the point, how do you rate Stockton? For me? 1.Kobe 2. LeBron 3. Dwight 4. Tyreke Evans 5.DWade. Summin like that ;-)

  • Sarah Posted: Oct.8 at 11:38 pm
    Agree with most everything. But I don’t think you have to concede that Tony’s jumper can be inconsistent anymore. He’s no more inconsistent than LeBron in that area. He still doesn’t light it up from 3 too often (nor does he shoot too many of them), but his range and consistency are pretty damn good these days.

  • Hursty Posted: Oct.8 at 11:41 pm
    Greek dude - please don’t talk about me if I’m not participating in a conversation. Thanks.

  • Hursty Posted: Oct.8 at 11:49 pm
    Tony’s midrange jumper is deadly - especially coming off of screens. I think it’s superior to the majority of NBA players.
    TP’s issue was he couldn’t score enough coming off high pick n rolls (round about 6-8 feet above the 3pt line) because the defensive guard would just slip into the lane so TP couldn’t throw the rock to TD or anyone else. Forcing him to pick the ball up and throw a dodgy jumper or force a pass.

  • Pardeep Posted: Oct.9 at 2:28 am
    Yeah Tony P is lethal. He is going to take the Spurs over next year for sure. Spurs gotta get some young guys around him though because when Duncan leaves Parker is not going to be able to carry the Spurs to the playoffs unless he becomes a amazing scorer. Sign Melo in 2011?

  • Enigmatic Posted: Oct.9 at 3:33 am
    I can’t hate on Parker, but when it comes to the hierarchy of the San Antonio Spurs, I put Duncan first, Ginobili second, and then Parker.

  • Solon Posted: Oct.9 at 3:47 am
    An Ode to French People:
    From personal experiences with every french person I have ever met-they are generally snobbish, snooty, lazy (everyone in the country goes on strike at the drop of a hat, if you work for two years anywhere in the EU the french government will pay you almost 2000 euros a month to sit on your a$$), arrogant, thinks they are the best people in the world-that their food, their art, their women, their cheese, their wine, etc. are better than anything else any country has ever done. While these are all generalizations, they have held generally true. Just as Americans are generally fatter, louder, and better at basketball then the rest of the world.
    Greece sucks too.

  • Jukai Posted: Oct.9 at 5:02 am
    Solon: Yeah, and how about them blacks and jews and gays, huh?

  • Hursty Posted: Oct.9 at 5:46 am
    Jukai - does it even matter that the French have EARNT that representation? At least partially anyways.
    If I was to make broad, sweeping remarks about the French, snobbish and arrogant are words I would use too. C’mon.
    Also, he’s ‘attacking’ a country - not a race or sexual orientation.
    (Note: I don’t condone what was written either)

  • Tons Posted: Oct.9 at 6:45 am
    Do you think americans deserve to be considered as fat slobs and idiots ?

  • PANAGIOTIS VASILOPOULOS Posted: Oct.9 at 7:25 am
    @Jukai&Hursty……:another “genious” (Eboy) has written in the past much worse things than Solon (although more entertaining since Eboy’s kindergarden way of writing is much more funny ). Don’t waste your time with such guys, they cause no harm to France (or whichever country). They just humiliate themselves (although they ain’t able to understand this) and the country they represent(ok,that’s a problem…).

  • PANAGIOTIS VASILOPOULOS Posted: Oct.9 at 8:49 am
    CONGRATULATIONS TO PRESIDENT OBAMA!!!!!!

  • monkeyball Posted: Oct.9 at 9:29 am
    Barack Obama winning the 2009 Nobel Peace Prize is like Shaquille O’Neal being elected to the NBA’s 50 Greatest Players in 1996. Everyone knew they’d deserve it eventually, but they hadn’t done enough to earn it YET.

  • tavoris Posted: Oct.9 at 9:39 am
    what a weird turn this discussion about Tony Parker has turned.

  • PANAGIOTIS VASILOPOULOS Posted: Oct.9 at 9:52 am
    @monkeyball…..:PERFECT!!!

  • PANAGIOTIS VASILOPOULOS Posted: Oct.9 at 9:55 am
    @tavoris…..:keep away from this “weird turn” my little friend, it ain’t for you. You might get lost!! (and then, what we are going to do wihout you…???!!!!)

  • Darksaber Posted: Oct.9 at 10:22 am
    Here comes a rant, be warned: how the effing eff did Barack win a Nobel peace prize already? And the ludicruous reason too. For his efforts at ridding the world of nuclear Weapons? Scrapping the missile defense shield plans for europe? First, does the Nobel prize comitee need publicity this badly? Really? One of my many interests is following developments in military tech allover the world, especially airborne systems. And believe me, Russia & the US have enough nuclear weapons to obliterate us all ten times over. So Obama speeds up the scrapping of old landbased nuclear missiles with multiple re-entry warheads (which cost a ton on a day to day basis anyway), while the sub based, mobile landbased weapons are being modernised. And newer more effective weapons are being developed on both sides. And hey, the israelis are “rumored” to have an arsenal themselves, as well as India, Pakistan, maybe South africa and the Euro powers (UK/FRA.) where’s Obama’s efforts to disarm them? Yeah, thought so. So there goes that reason. This is a bloody PR move, and a small travesty imo. His efforts to encourage dialogue are commendable, inspiring even, but Palestinians still suffer, Sudanese still flee, Kim Jong still watches the nba nightly in his palace etc. Etc. And the US is still battling terror in 2 countries (openly). The peace prize? What peace? Let the man accomplish something first. Gawd.

  • Darksaber Posted: Oct.9 at 10:33 am
    Sorry about that, Antonis suckered me into venting. And this is the only online forum that i comment on. Back to country bashing, peeps. Vive la France et manger votre baguettes avec satisfaction, mecs!

  • jdn41 Posted: Oct.9 at 10:47 am
    Obama is a smart man, first dude looked after his own interest taking nuclear weapons from everyone else, this prevents anyone from messing with the US, the cold war was based on both side deterrence from each other due to total annihilation so he gives him self MORE POWER in international affairs PLUS gets a noble prize forget micheal jordan, now that is G

  • PANAGIOTIS VASILOPOULOS Posted: Oct.9 at 10:56 am
    @Darksaber____:OK,OK, but….what about Alba???!!!!!!(you should know how mch politics are involved at such kinds of awards)

  • Darksaber Posted: Oct.9 at 11:04 am
    Someday i gotta find out your name, till then i’ll stick to Fotsis… Hehe… Alba? To be honest my man, i haven’t been following the new club season in europe yet, slowly getting back into the groove of things. What ABOUT Alba Berlin? Euroleague / Eurocup qualifiers starting up?

  • tavoris Posted: Oct.9 at 11:59 am
    Greek Dude…keep ‘em coming…just waiting for you to get banned AGAIN.

  • PANAGIOTIS VASILOPOULOS Posted: Oct.9 at 1:44 pm
    @tavoris……..:i was never banned (but i think i came close.Anyway,doesn’t matter to me)
    @Darksaber……:Alba is fighting for the last spot for next years Euroleague. They lost in Athens by 9 points and they have to cover it. Marousi is a small team but with much pride.

  • anthony Posted: Oct.10 at 4:30 am
    if blah-blah did this, and blah-blah did that…
    stop lamenting on what could’ve been, people.
    NO, he did not get drafted by memphis.
    NO, nash didn’t average 23 ppg.
    parker is with the spurs and he has developed under the pop system into the player that he is right now.
    and stop with the “john had more rings than charles” BS. gahd, you guys are dumb@$$e$.
    just give tony his props. he deserves it.

  • Blackrick Posted: Oct.10 at 10:09 am
    I wasn’t sold on the gut for a while but the last few years he’s been the most consistent pg outside of CP3.$ rings is hard to knock and based off of last year this ranking is about right.

  • Blackrick Posted: Oct.10 at 10:10 am
    I wasn’t sold on the guy for a while but the last few years he’s been the most consistent pg outside of CP3.$ rings is hard to knock and based off of last year this ranking is about right.

  • Irfan Posted: Oct.11 at 6:41 am
    (posted on last year’s Nash page, pasted here for some reasons after I read all the hate on TP unleashed in 2006-2007-2008, from journalists as well as fans - though I don’t like TP as a person) One year later, it’s funny to see how hyperhyped were the Suns…
    Nash #6
    Stoudemire #9
    Shaq #38
    But the Suns didn’t make it to the playoffs. (almost the same could be said with the Pistons, thank you AI)
    …
    Parker #21, Billups #25, Roy #28 and Gasol #31 (way too low for these players). It shows how silly are these rankings, but yet we love them !!
    No one can argue that Roy was only the 28th best player this year, nor Gasol only 31st !! So 2008 ranking was quite bad, and so will be 2009 ranking, but that’s the way prospectives go !
    Also, Durant went from 50th to Top 13 ?!
    …
    Baron Davis #16
    Gilbert Arenas #17
    AI #18
    T-Mac #20
    Marion #23
    All these players weren’t in the 50 best players this year for sure, despite what the stupid ASG votes tell.
    …
    Is there a kind of forum on SLAMonline ? It could be nice to compare and discuss the past and present Tops, and be useful for the next.
    To me, your Top 50 is too much based on the regular season and on top tens.
    Pau dominated in the play-offs, Parker was great all the year long and did his best without TD and Ginobili, Artest was huge in the playoffs, not to mention Billups’ effect ; yet, they don’t have the respect they deserve. But Arenas does, which is stunning !

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