Thursday, October 25th, 2012 at 12:00 pm  |  181 responses

Top 50: Deron Williams, no. 7

The definitive ranking of the NBA’s best players for ’12-13.

by Adam Figman / @afigman

I like this Top 50 thing that we do because it feels like such a fresh start; all of the rankings are performance predictions for the upcoming season, so mild hiccups and set backs in previous years should have little effect on where the players who experienced ‘em are placed on this list, as long as we believe said hiccups/set backs are stuck in the past. What’s to come is all that matters.

And Deron Williams is kind of the posterboy for this mindset, no? If there’s anyone we’re supposed to remove from the context of his last couple of basketball-playing years and judge from a completely blank canvas, it’s DWill. Think about all that’s going to be different between ’11-12 and ’12-13 for this guy: New teammates (hello, Joe Johnson, CJ Watson, Mirza Teletovic, Josh Childress, Andray Blatche, Jerry Stackhouse and a full year with Gerald Wallace). Healthy teammates (hello, Bropez). New contract (hello, $$$). New stadium (what up, Brooklyn?).

It’s almost like Kanye and Rhymefest made that one song way back when about Deron Williams’ summer of 2012.

That’s just a convoluted way of saying that this guy is finally getting a new beginning. And with a new beginning will come an enhanced spotlight, and with an enhanced spotlight will come a renewed conversation about what he’s actually capable of on the court, in comparison with his esteemed peers. Which is where we come in.

Williams has had his moments of slightly sustained greatness, taking those late-’00s Utah Jazz squads to the postseason and assisting Team USA during a pair of Gold medal runs. But as of the past couple of years any true greatness—that unbelievable, unforeseeable, OMG wow how is he that fucking good at basketball greatness—has come in very short bursts. A 57-point frenzy here. A 38-point, 8 three-pointer barrage against a helpless Jeremy Lin there. Some insane 4-point plays. Couple of game-winners. A few ridiculous dishes to unsuspecting and occasionally incompetent teammates.

But what we expect from NBA superstars, especially those that get slotted in at points like this (and higher) on lists like this, is firmly sustained greatness. Leading deep Playoff runs; MVP consideration; scoring titles; Defensive Player of the Year awards; Championships. Basically, it’s the ability to say, “Man, _____ is unreal” during bball-focused conversations with friends or strangers, with zero context needed, because it’s that true—and it’s a fact that’s jumping off the television screen every time he’s on it.

It’ll be tough for Williams to jump into that category, if only because the Texas native’s game doesn’t exactly call for that form of fan love. How many people, Nets fans excluded, do you know consider Deron Williams the hands-down best point guard in the game? Certainly a few, but surely not many. He doesn’t have Derrick Rose’s explosiveness, Rajon Rondo’s fiery all-over prowess, Chris Paul’s ability to use every ounce of open space to his advantage or Russell Westbrook’s raw power. Nothing leaps out. But to a degree, he has all of those things, and he has them all at a high enough level that on any given night you might want him on your side over any of the aforementioned names. Lots of nights, actually. He has no tangible weaknesses, at least none that I know of. He’s like the Toyota Camry of amazing point guards, and I promise that was compliment. (The “amazing” part was really important.)

Anyway, look: his placement here, at number seven, makes sense. There probably wouldn’t have been much of an outrage if Williams was slotted a couple spots lower, and there’s probably an argument that could be made that the 6-3 PG is deserving of a position one or two notches higher up.

Seven works, though. He’s sitting above your average All-Star—typing that felt really weird—and beneath the NBA’s uppermost tier. And he’s young enough (at 28) where a great season may push his name up this list next year. No more massive losing streaks, no more pouting. He won’t have a monster statistical jump (seriously, look how consistent these numbers are from year to year; a sudden increase across the board seems unlikely), but it’ll be about what Williams is capable of doing to the franchise’s win column and subsequent postseason run with a whole bunch of new…everything. Here’s guessing a lot.

And here’s to a clean slate.


Where should Deron Williams rank in the SLAMonline Top 50?

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SLAMonline Top 50 Players 2012
Rank Player Team Position Pos. Rank
50 Greg Monroe Pistons C 8
49 Tyreke Evans Kings PG 14
48 Brandon Jennings Bucks PG 13
47 Stephen Curry Warriors PG 12
46 Ricky Rubio TWolves PG 11
45 Al Jefferson Jazz PF 14
44 Anthony Davis Hornets PF 13
43 Serge Ibaka Thunder PF 12
42 Al Horford Hawks C 7
41 Ty Lawson Nuggets PG 10
40 Danny Granger Pacers SF 6
39 Tim Duncan Spurs PF 11
38 John Wall Wizards PG 9
37 Monta Ellis Bucks SG 8
36 Zach Randolph Grizzlies PF 10
35 Roy Hibbert Pacers C 6
34 Tyson Chandler Knicks C 5
33 Eric Gordon Hornets SG 7
32 Kevin Garnett Celtics PF 9
31 Manu Ginobili Spurs SG 6
30 Amar’e Stoudemire Knicks PF 8
29 Marc Gasol Grizzlies C 4
28 DeMarcus Cousins Kings C 3
27 Paul Pierce Celtics SF 5
26 Andre Iguodala Nuggets SG 5
25 Rudy Gay Grizzlies SF 4
24 Josh Smith Hawks PF 7
23 Derrick Rose Bulls PG 8
22 Joe Johnson Nets SG 4
21 Steve Nash Lakers PG 7
20 James Harden Thunder SG 3
19 Pau Gasol Lakers PF 6
18 Chris Bosh Heat PF 5
17 Kyrie Irving Cavs PG 6
16 LaMarcus Aldridge Blazers PF 4
15 Tony Parker Spurs PG 5
14 Dirk Nowitzki Mavs PF 3
13 Andrew Bynum Sixers C 2
12 Blake Griffin Clippers PF 2
11 Kevin Love TWolves PF 1
10 Carmelo Anthony Knicks SF 3
9 Russell Westbrook Thunder PG 4
8 Rajon Rondo Celtics PG 3
7 Deron Williams Nets PG 2

Notes
• Rankings are based solely on projected ’12-13 performance.
• Contributors to this list include: Jake Appleman, Maurice Bobb, Rodger Bohn, Brendan Bowers, Franklyn Calle, David Cassilo, Bryan Crawford, Adam Figman, Eldon Khorshidi, Eddie Maisonet III, Ryne Nelson, Ben Osborne, Allen Powell II, Sam Rubenstein, Jonathan Santiago, Abe Schwadron, Leo Sepkowitz, Dave Spahn, Ben Taylor, Tzvi Twersky, Peter Walsh, Tracy Weissenberg, Yaron Weitzman, DeMarco Williams and Dave Zirin.
• Want more of the SLAMonline Top 50? Check out the archive.

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  • http://www.facebook.com/Brill86 Andrew Woods

    i think 22-9.5-4 is a resonable expectation for him.

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    good write up Adam. I think it’s spot on, but by the end of the year, i have him scratching the top 5 and reopening the Best PG in the L conversation.

  • obamathelama

    isn’t deron williams fat???

  • shockexchange

    D-Will balled out in Utah. Since, the book on him is that he is one of the premiere point guards in the L, but hasn’t had the talent around him. I think D-Will will soon find out that situations (like in Utah) where you are in synch with your coach and teammates, it may be best to stay put. He may make more money and get more exposure, but he may never replicate the professional success he had in Utah.

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    alright so, fantasy league news, i had to create a second one, if anyone is interested – http://y.ahoo.it/HHQh8KoZ

  • http://www.facebook.com/Brill86 Andrew Woods

    durant, howard, lebron, wade, and chris paul. i think he only has a chance at scratching top 6 with kobe’s decline

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    if he only puts up 22-9.5-4 yeah, but if he puts up like 23-11-4 and Brooklyn finishes top 4 in the East….then i will put him over Wade.

  • http://www.facebook.com/Brill86 Andrew Woods

    i agree, but the elephant in the room might be the ppl behind him in the rankings improving too. i think its possible that next year blake, westbrook, drose and(i hate to say it) melo might push him back to a 8-11 slot. maybe im putting to much stock into what i have seen from him in this preseason.

  • ByAnyMeansNecessary

    I agree with Deron being the 2nd best PG in basketball and possibly having the 2nd best season at that position.

  • http://twitter.com/Jzakoni Verified Account

    hes balding

  • http://twitter.com/Jzakoni Verified Account

    im interested

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    the only preseason guys you should pay attention too are rookies and guys trying to make teams. other than that, the marquee guys don’t even try in the preseason — and i can’t see anyway guys who aren’t even the best players on their team make a jump into the NBA’s top 6 out of everybody. Blake/Westbrook (Melo doesn’t have a shot, we know who he is as a player, he’s not a young guy let’s see how he improves player anymore, so you can just forget about him being in this conversation) would probably need Paul/Durant to get hurt at some point and open things up for them to dominate.

  • RedDragon10

    We’re judging men by their ability to ball, not how they look.

  • Omar

    Kobe Bean Bryant is next….Or should be.

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    sign up. open registration.

  • Rainman

    I disagree with the part of the article that says noone has ever had him as the best PG in the L…just 2 years ago he was voted by GM’s as the best Point guard in the league…thats huge.

  • LeroyShonuff

    Superstars don’t leave teams and they do well. I always felt like he was a very good player in a great system, but I don’t see top 10. I think the nets struggle and end up a 7th seed. I don’t see the “it” in him. Dude was basically traded in the middle of the night. That doesn’t happen to top 10 players. Or top 15. I’ll take Kyrie Irving over him. But to each his own

  • RONDO IS BETTER!

    he smells funky too!

  • RONDO RULES

    sorry dad.

  • http://twitter.com/Jzakoni Verified Account

    LOL

  • http://twitter.com/Jzakoni Verified Account

    signed up. is the draft date movable? i unfortunately will have to be working the day of the draft.. tuesday 5pm?

  • http://twitter.com/Jzakoni Verified Account

    looks like I’m gonna have to be helped my auto draft :-/

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    i did the best time for the most people. i can’t do anything earlier than 7, as i only have 3 hours between work and getting my family fed and daughter in bed.

  • RedDragon10

    Learn next time, son.

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    you can pre-rank your players, autodraft won’t treat you too bad if you do that. just look at the scoring system, it’s points, so you don’t have to be as consistent with how you’d draft as in rotisserie.

  • Anthony Dixon

    yup, out of all the times we’ve had the “best” pg convo, dwill can prove himself against lob city and cp3..

  • Caboose

    Kobe is going to be too high. Sigh…SLAM.

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    told you bruh

  • Dagger

    I like Deron Williams and think he’s one of the league’s best players. That said:

    Are we really saying that recent performance doesn’t matter? Sure, Deron’s teammates were garbage last year. There’s no disputing that, and at the point that’s especially important. But: Iverson, Kobe and Lebron all had some of their best years statistically while playing with terrible teammates, and those teams, at the very least, made the playoffs. Now I understand that these guys are scorers and their role on their teams was different (although Deron is supposed to be a good scorer), but just last year Nash took a team of scrubs to within a game or two of the playoffs in a much deeper western conference. Nash is, of course, more than 10 spots below Williams in these rankings. Last year Deron’s WS was below .100 for the second consecutive season (he hit .177 twice in Utah, but that was years ago). His PER was, I believe, south of 20. Moving past advanced stats, Deron shot just over 40% from the field last season and 35% and his previous, injury-affected season.

    Let’s ignore the turnover/assist numbers/ratio, because that, even more obviously than scoring, is a function of teammates. Basically what I’m saying is that recent performance, even on poor teams, can’t be discounted entirely, and I wouldn’t be surprised if Williams is a few spots lower on this ranking next year. I also wouldn’t be surprised if the Nets are more hype than substance this year.

  • http://twitter.com/Jzakoni Verified Account

    sounds good to me. i’ll ask u questions if i run into a problem lol

  • LeroyShonuff

    I view him as a very good qb in the perfect system, that’s what he had in Utah. He can’t carry a bad team to the playoffs or even 35-40 wins a night ah la Bosh in Toronto.

  • Caboose

    I had hope…

  • Caboose

    23-11-4 should put him ahead of Wade, Kobe, Paul, and potentially Dwight depending on how good the Nets do.

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    you can’t compare a PG with bad teammates to 3 of the best scorers in league history with bad teammates. that’s a logical fallacy.

  • shockexchange

    It takes so much (coaching, talent, chemistry) to be successful in pro sports. D-Will was in a great situation in Utah. He was the face of the franchise and he had the green light to do practically whatever he wanted. He traded it all in to play on a team with some nice pieces, but not much chemistry. It’ naive to think you can replicate what he had in Utah with any other team he goes to.

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    and i really don’t understand where this he had a bad season nonsense came from. — his PER was north of 20. He was, statistically, still a top 5 PG. And was comparable if not better than guys who were perceived to be great last year,.
    http://www.basketball-reference.com/play-index/pcm_finder.cgi?request=1&sum=0&p1=willide01&y1=2012&p2=westbru01&y2=2012&p3=bryanko01&y3=2012&p4=rondora01&y4=2012

    .
    Williams really struggled defensively last season, not offensively. And that was largely attributed to a lack of effort. Not a fall off in ability or skill.

  • http://www.reverbnation.com/savagemuzicgroup T-Ray

    Guarantee he’s in the top 5.

  • RONDO RULES

    Your not my dad – cuz i’m not chinese!

  • Kadavour

    you think Wade is going to have a better season? If Kobe manages to let the other guys do some dirty work and turn out some semblance of an efficient season, he has a strong case to be higher than Wade. If he chucks his way into top 3 scoring, it would be tough arguing against his value to his team vs (the oft injured) Wade. What do you think?

  • Kadavour

    The Nets will be in the post season, and Deron beasts in the playoffs. i think he’s averaging 20 and 10 his last couple playoff runs. how many Guards are doing that?

  • Caboose

    I definitely think so. I’d argue Wade had a better year than Kobe last year. Wade had better PER, Defensive Rating, Offensive Rating, Defensive Win Shares, Offensive Win Shares, Win Shares per 48 Minutes, FG%, Steals, Blocks, and Turnovers. The only argument for Kobe is scoring, which he was VERY inefficient at (shooting 3% BELOW the Lakers average).

  • justin05

    Dwayne Wade is next. It’s crazy to think that Kobe Bryant has been in the league this long and is still a top 5 player. Athleticism is one aspect of the game, these are Slam’s predictions for this upcoming season and I think Kobe will outperform D-Wade. He needs to be the Lakers #2 option this year if we want another Championship.

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    actually he didn’t have a green light to do whatever he wanted. which is what caused the issues that resulted in the changing of the guard out in Salt Lake City.

  • Dagger

    When you shoot 40% you are not having a great offensive season. But you’ll notice that I never Williams wasn’t a top-5 PG. And I addressed your point about scorers by looking at Nash.

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    Bryant hasn’t outperformed Wade in 4 years.

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    when you don’t look at the context of the team sure. But if you are putting up 20 and 9 on 40% shooting as the only player opposing teams even care about, you are not having a bad season. Deron Williams was asked to be the teams go-to-guy (a role he doesn’t like, at all) and was tasked with creating everything for everyone. i never said he had a “great” offensive season, certainly not for his standards, but he had a better offensive season then every PG in the NBA except Chris Paul & Russell Westbrook. People are just spoiled with Williams, if you expect a guy to do better than 20 and 9 on a team like that, you are spoiled as a fan.

  • shockexchange

    He had the green light to do whatever he wanted as a point guard. It was Jerry Sloan’s job to be the coach. Coach, PG and GM were not part of D-Will’s job description. The only “issue” was that the team’s star PG didn’t know his place. After a few years of losses and anonymity, the Shock Exchange bets he knows it now.

  • LeroyShonuff

    Exactly, him being reigned in was the best thing for him. Same with Dwight in Orlando. Sometimes players and people need limitations to be recognized as great. Deron is one of them. He got his freedom and hasn’t been as impactful. Him with that team Utah has now outside of favors is still better than this nets team. Top 10 players should give you a legit shot at winning a title, Deron doesn’t

  • justin05

    These ratings aren’t based off of the last 4 years so your comment is irrelevant.

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    “the green light to do whatever he wanted as a PG” — you mean, once the game started he got to make his own decisions? what an astute observation.

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