Thursday, October 25th, 2012 at 12:00 pm  |  181 responses

Top 50: Deron Williams, no. 7

The definitive ranking of the NBA’s best players for ’12-13.

by Adam Figman / @afigman

I like this Top 50 thing that we do because it feels like such a fresh start; all of the rankings are performance predictions for the upcoming season, so mild hiccups and set backs in previous years should have little effect on where the players who experienced ‘em are placed on this list, as long as we believe said hiccups/set backs are stuck in the past. What’s to come is all that matters.

And Deron Williams is kind of the posterboy for this mindset, no? If there’s anyone we’re supposed to remove from the context of his last couple of basketball-playing years and judge from a completely blank canvas, it’s DWill. Think about all that’s going to be different between ’11-12 and ’12-13 for this guy: New teammates (hello, Joe Johnson, CJ Watson, Mirza Teletovic, Josh Childress, Andray Blatche, Jerry Stackhouse and a full year with Gerald Wallace). Healthy teammates (hello, Bropez). New contract (hello, $$$). New stadium (what up, Brooklyn?).

It’s almost like Kanye and Rhymefest made that one song way back when about Deron Williams’ summer of 2012.

That’s just a convoluted way of saying that this guy is finally getting a new beginning. And with a new beginning will come an enhanced spotlight, and with an enhanced spotlight will come a renewed conversation about what he’s actually capable of on the court, in comparison with his esteemed peers. Which is where we come in.

Williams has had his moments of slightly sustained greatness, taking those late-’00s Utah Jazz squads to the postseason and assisting Team USA during a pair of Gold medal runs. But as of the past couple of years any true greatness—that unbelievable, unforeseeable, OMG wow how is he that fucking good at basketball greatness—has come in very short bursts. A 57-point frenzy here. A 38-point, 8 three-pointer barrage against a helpless Jeremy Lin there. Some insane 4-point plays. Couple of game-winners. A few ridiculous dishes to unsuspecting and occasionally incompetent teammates.

But what we expect from NBA superstars, especially those that get slotted in at points like this (and higher) on lists like this, is firmly sustained greatness. Leading deep Playoff runs; MVP consideration; scoring titles; Defensive Player of the Year awards; Championships. Basically, it’s the ability to say, “Man, _____ is unreal” during bball-focused conversations with friends or strangers, with zero context needed, because it’s that true—and it’s a fact that’s jumping off the television screen every time he’s on it.

It’ll be tough for Williams to jump into that category, if only because the Texas native’s game doesn’t exactly call for that form of fan love. How many people, Nets fans excluded, do you know consider Deron Williams the hands-down best point guard in the game? Certainly a few, but surely not many. He doesn’t have Derrick Rose’s explosiveness, Rajon Rondo’s fiery all-over prowess, Chris Paul’s ability to use every ounce of open space to his advantage or Russell Westbrook’s raw power. Nothing leaps out. But to a degree, he has all of those things, and he has them all at a high enough level that on any given night you might want him on your side over any of the aforementioned names. Lots of nights, actually. He has no tangible weaknesses, at least none that I know of. He’s like the Toyota Camry of amazing point guards, and I promise that was compliment. (The “amazing” part was really important.)

Anyway, look: his placement here, at number seven, makes sense. There probably wouldn’t have been much of an outrage if Williams was slotted a couple spots lower, and there’s probably an argument that could be made that the 6-3 PG is deserving of a position one or two notches higher up.

Seven works, though. He’s sitting above your average All-Star—typing that felt really weird—and beneath the NBA’s uppermost tier. And he’s young enough (at 28) where a great season may push his name up this list next year. No more massive losing streaks, no more pouting. He won’t have a monster statistical jump (seriously, look how consistent these numbers are from year to year; a sudden increase across the board seems unlikely), but it’ll be about what Williams is capable of doing to the franchise’s win column and subsequent postseason run with a whole bunch of new…everything. Here’s guessing a lot.

And here’s to a clean slate.


Where should Deron Williams rank in the SLAMonline Top 50?

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SLAMonline Top 50 Players 2012
Rank Player Team Position Pos. Rank
50 Greg Monroe Pistons C 8
49 Tyreke Evans Kings PG 14
48 Brandon Jennings Bucks PG 13
47 Stephen Curry Warriors PG 12
46 Ricky Rubio TWolves PG 11
45 Al Jefferson Jazz PF 14
44 Anthony Davis Hornets PF 13
43 Serge Ibaka Thunder PF 12
42 Al Horford Hawks C 7
41 Ty Lawson Nuggets PG 10
40 Danny Granger Pacers SF 6
39 Tim Duncan Spurs PF 11
38 John Wall Wizards PG 9
37 Monta Ellis Bucks SG 8
36 Zach Randolph Grizzlies PF 10
35 Roy Hibbert Pacers C 6
34 Tyson Chandler Knicks C 5
33 Eric Gordon Hornets SG 7
32 Kevin Garnett Celtics PF 9
31 Manu Ginobili Spurs SG 6
30 Amar’e Stoudemire Knicks PF 8
29 Marc Gasol Grizzlies C 4
28 DeMarcus Cousins Kings C 3
27 Paul Pierce Celtics SF 5
26 Andre Iguodala Nuggets SG 5
25 Rudy Gay Grizzlies SF 4
24 Josh Smith Hawks PF 7
23 Derrick Rose Bulls PG 8
22 Joe Johnson Nets SG 4
21 Steve Nash Lakers PG 7
20 James Harden Thunder SG 3
19 Pau Gasol Lakers PF 6
18 Chris Bosh Heat PF 5
17 Kyrie Irving Cavs PG 6
16 LaMarcus Aldridge Blazers PF 4
15 Tony Parker Spurs PG 5
14 Dirk Nowitzki Mavs PF 3
13 Andrew Bynum Sixers C 2
12 Blake Griffin Clippers PF 2
11 Kevin Love TWolves PF 1
10 Carmelo Anthony Knicks SF 3
9 Russell Westbrook Thunder PG 4
8 Rajon Rondo Celtics PG 3
7 Deron Williams Nets PG 2

Notes
• Rankings are based solely on projected ’12-13 performance.
• Contributors to this list include: Jake Appleman, Maurice Bobb, Rodger Bohn, Brendan Bowers, Franklyn Calle, David Cassilo, Bryan Crawford, Adam Figman, Eldon Khorshidi, Eddie Maisonet III, Ryne Nelson, Ben Osborne, Allen Powell II, Sam Rubenstein, Jonathan Santiago, Abe Schwadron, Leo Sepkowitz, Dave Spahn, Ben Taylor, Tzvi Twersky, Peter Walsh, Tracy Weissenberg, Yaron Weitzman, DeMarco Williams and Dave Zirin.
• Want more of the SLAMonline Top 50? Check out the archive.

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  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    how could i forget? Kobe is going to improve in his 17th season. gtfoh.

  • shockexchange

    D-Will was out of his rabbit %$?!&*# mind out in Utah, challenging Jerry Sloan’s authority like that. What makes it all the more appalling is that the sychophants and hangers on co-sign that nonsense.

  • spit hot fiyah

    didn’t kenny and charles also call him the best pg when he was in the studio one time?

  • Showtime

    lol… even with wade hurt he still out preformed kobe last year… Kobe IS NEXT

  • LeroyShonuff

    Absolutely perfect!!! Great players make horrible teams avg. Good to very good makes horrible teams bad. Deron makes his team bad

  • LeroyShonuff

    Why? Is this list not a list of nba players? Should he not be compared…

  • 23

    Agreed

  • Junior Taylor

    Wade should be ranked ahead of Kobe but we all now that isn’t going to happen mainly because people are infatuated with scoring.

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    name a top PG ever, who has made a team with a sh*tty supporting cast into a championship contender……i’ll wait.
    .
    it’s different with go-to guys, like LeBron, Kobe, & Iverson because you can just build up the defense and live off their scoring. (which is how they found the success they did with terrible supporting casts….as the “terrible” aspect ONLY applied to offense) — unlike Williams, who is a PG (who just had his second lowest assist season of his career….wonder why?) that relies on other’s to show how truly good he is. Plus, the team was horrible on both ends of the court, (actually worse on defense then offense, which means he had absolutely no chance at being successful considering he was also tasked to be his teams leading scorer). Williams, surrounded by competent teammates, will immediately look like a top 3 PG (if not the best PG in the league) —
    .
    i mean if you paid any attention to what he was doing in his half season in Utah this should be obvious shouldn’t it? He led the league in games of 30 points and 10 assists in 2010-11 — and he only had those performances while playing for the Jazz….then he broke his wrists (thumbs? i don’t remember) and got traded. Immediately once he was surrounded by crap teammates (on both ends of the court might i add) his efficiency dropped off a cliff………logically, with better teammates, his efficiency should resemble the player he was in Utah. Who turned teams into contenders (idk if you just don’t remember him bringing Utah to the WCF or what? — But he does make teams a contender, when that team is built around him with some competence).

  • ByAnyMeansNecessary

    I’m glad I’m not the only one who has recognized this.

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    yea, don’t hesitate.

  • ByAnyMeansNecessary

    You think Kobe will outperform Wade after 4 years of not doing so? No knee procedure in the world could make that happen. He’s already hurt and might not play in the season opener. Wade is healthier than he was last season.

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    the year Paul was hurt, the majority of people considered him the top PG.

  • LakeShow

    Incorrect. Look at their logs. He out scored him in nearly every game. Wade did have a couple more rebounds and assists each game. Wade really only outplayed him in 1 game in the last 6.
    Or are you talking about overall season statistics?

  • LakeShow

    Umm, no actually he didn’t..

  • Dagger

    No one said he had a bad season, but when it comes to the top 10 I expect to be spoiled. Based on his performance the last couple years, I’m not sure Williams should be ranked above, say, Westbrook when we’re ranking based on next year’s production. The author admits as much. We’re expecting him to change with new surroundings and new teammates, justifying his ranking, but I’m not totally sold on that.

  • RedDragon10

    Neither am I, why would you even think I am?

    But you called me dad.

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    nobody gives a damn in the world about head to head matchups.

  • RedDragon10

    As a lakers and kobe fan, I must admit that Wade has outplayed Kobe in 4 of the last 5 seasons. And we’re talking about overall season statistics.

  • LakeShow

    I agree his overall seasonal stats indicate that, but when you take into account that he is perennially injured I just can’t take Wade over Kobe.

  • Teddy-the-Bear

    It says the league is full, da fukk?!?

  • LakeShow

    Uh I do. They are going against each other so that should be a good showing of who is better. Just like Bron vs KD in th finals last year. Showed that Bron was still slightly better than KD.

  • justin05

    I’m a Lakers fan so I’m biased but I’ve never looked up to Kobe Bryant as a good role model outside of basketball. He puts 100% of his heart into this game and if he takes the second role offensively and raises his fg % then I don’t see why he can’t be a top 5 player in the league. Wade is one of the best players in the league but he struggles w/ injuries and is on his decline just like Kobe. As far as Wade outperforming Kobe, the last 2 years yes but since winning the one championship w/ Shaq in co. Wade has not even come close to competing for a title before Lebron joined his team, therefore their performances are uncomparable during the years Wade didn’t even make the playoffs. Please..

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    Bron was clearly better than Durant before they played. You only care about head to head match ups because that is the only arguing point for Kobe that you have. If Wade had better head to head match ups and worse stats, you’d say the opposite. We all know this about you.

  • justin05

    New role. I’ll keep preaching it until you guys understand basketball a little better. Dwight, Pau, and Nash all are going to work well together so Kobe can just strike like the Black Mamba he claims himself to be. I can see 20 ppg. on 48-50% shooting this season. Rebounds and assists are irrelevant when you have Dwight and Steve on your team.

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    yes he did. clearly. Points Per Game are not an indicator of who a better player is. sorry charlie.

  • RedDragon10

    I mean the whole idea of Wade being constantly injured has been kind of overblown. Since his return from that devastating injury in 07-08, Wade has only missed several games last year. He’s played 75+ games every year since 09.

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    the last couple of years? you mean last year? Because, Westbrook last season, was not as good as Williams 2 years ago, despite 12 of thos games being played with two broken wrists in New Jersey. http://www.basketball-reference.com/play-index/pcm_finder.cgi?request=1&sum=0&p1=willide01&y1=2011&p2=westbru01&y2=2012
    .
    there is no logical reason to think Williams won’t be similar to how he was in Utah with this better supporting cast. none.

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    yeah they fill up fast. sorry bro.

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    Your points are terrible…….
    .
    Kobe missed the playoffs after Shaq left too butter cup. And that was Kobe’s prime. So uh, your point is, pointless.
    .
    Wade has outperformed Kobe for the last 4 years, despite worse teammates, & a worse coach. Especially if you give even a little bit of a damn about defense.

  • Junior Taylor

    Lake, so I guess that Dirk was significantly better than LeBron in 2011 based off their final performances?

  • GMoose

    If Kevin Love is #1 at his position (rightfully so) he should break the top ten. Better than Melo last year. Probably a solid #7 i say.

  • justin05

    Saying Kobe didn’t make the playoffs after Shaq left is a terrible point. We are not comparing Kobe and Wade during those years. Did Wade ever score 81 points in a game after Shaq left? The Lakers would have been even worse with Wade on that team instead of Kobe. More opportunity for you to outperform when your second option is Beasley or Haslem lol

  • Salty

    Man, as a Utah fan, I wish he would have really recognized what he had. That dude was a pleasure to watch every night. Who knows the real story behind why he and Sloan had troubles later on, but it was a damn shame to see that coupling come to an end.

  • LakeShow

    Neither are assists or rebounds or fg% or Win shares or defensive win shares or PER. They just show a unique perspective on a player through numbers not actually how good they are. Sorry Timmy.

  • Salty

    Damn right.

  • LakeShow

    I would say in the finals, Dirk absolutely was yes.

  • LakeShow

    We all know you bank your entire life upon numbers and statistics, but we except you for who you are: A stats nerd :)

  • Salty

    nbk: when you’re being coached by a legend, he tells you what to do and you listen…if you know what’s best for you. D Will was questioning Sloan’s authority to reporters constantly. Not acceptable.

  • LakeShow

    Wade has not been great defensively. I don’t know where that comes from. Is Serge Ibaka great defensively? Naw not really. They are good at certain things. Wade can go down as the greatest shot blocker under 6’5″, but that doesn’t make him a great defender. He gambles way to much and isn’t very good at 1 on 1 defense. Kobe is a better 1 on 1 defender and that is what is most important defensively especially when you have two 7 footers doing the shot blocking.

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    Show me ONE time he questioned Jerry Sloan to the media. Their issues we behind close doors. And it all happened in a matter of a month

  • Salty

    How much have you actually watched Williams? You can bet that man will make sure that team makes noise this year, especially given his improved supporting cast.

  • LeroyShonuff

    Jason Kidd with New Jersey… That team wouldn’t have made the playoffs without him. A great player is a great player period. By that logical, magic isn’t a top 3 player cause he wasn’t a go to scorer? Even tho he made his team better? Is that not the point of a pg is too make his teammates better? Deron has failed in that the last 2yrs

  • Salty

    I read the Salt Lake Tribune every morning. And I’ve followed the Jazz my whole life. I’m not going to do your homework for you. It wasn’t like he said: Sloan is a bum who doesn’t know what he’s doing. But, especially for the last couple of years, he’d regularly throw in these comments to reporters in which he talked about how the offense was maybe dated and needed revamping, or how he wished the team were allowed to do this or that…he mean if he was willing to question the leadership of the team in public, I guarantee that behind closed doors things were a nightmare for Sloan those last couple of years.

  • Dagger

    It’d be nice if that was true, but it’s not. For one, Deron’s teammates are different – inferior, I’d argue – and his coach, while a former PG, is hardly Jerry Sloan and is infamously hard on point guards. Moreover, sometimes players just decline, irrespective of when their prime years should be. There are countless examples of this, of course, but often it takes people by surprise, and after the fact the causes can be put down to lingering injuries or change of scenery or psychology. I’m not saying Deron is necessarily in decline, but I am saying that we need to consider his last season when we rank him today.

    As for Westbrook/Williams: I think Westbrook is still figuring out his game. I suspect he’ll become a more efficient scorer and a better facilitator next year. If so, it wouldn’t be a stretch to see him ranked higher than Williams next year.

  • Caboose

    Facts:
    1. Wade has had a higher PER than Kobe the past 4 years.
    2. Wade has had higher steals, higher blocks, better defensive rating, and more defensive win shares the past 4 years.
    3. Wade has had a higher FG% the past 4 years.
    4. Kobe has played in 94% of all games the past 4 years. Wade has played in 90%.
    5. Wade has had a higher offensive rating and more offensive win shares the past 4 years.
    6. Kobe has NEVER had as many win shares/48 minutes as Wade did last year.
    7. Kobe shot more often in games that the Lakers lost last year.
    Now Lake, I would like you to make a fact-based, intelligent argument for why Kobe has been better. It cannot be based on mere subjectives, because if your case is as strong as you say, then surely there are facts out there to prove your point. I would be happy to reevaluate my way of thinking, but I have a plethora of information that proves me right. Please, prove me wrong.

  • Salty

    At the end of the day, it’s all history and doesn’t matter any more. He remains one of my favorite players and I hope he has success in BK. He’s a stellar basketball player and, as you can tell from some of the comments on this thread, is still under appreciated as a player by many. And as I said earlier, none of us are sure what exactly transpired in those last days. I’m just telling you the impression he gave to many of us in Utah well before he left. We all saw his departure as inevitable.

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    you can’t try and say, “As far as Wade outperforming Kobe, the last 2 years yes but since winning the one championship w/ Shaq in co. Wade has not even come close to competing for a title before Lebron joined his team, therefore their performances are uncomparable during the years Wade didn’t even make the playoffs.” – when,
    . – A) Kobe also missed the playoffs when surrounded by bad talent (and i know for certain, if i were to say Wade was better then, you would have – (as well as the rest of the world) – said, just because Wade is on a team competing for the title doesn’t mean he’s better than Kobe.
    – B) Your point, if you want to remain with it, renders Kobe, last season, “uncomparable” to Wade because, he was not competing for a title.
    .
    i don’t know how to make this more clear?

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    ahh, but the thing is, you can use a myriad of stats (not just one or two – per game stats, that are a convoluted mess that don’t actually prove anything more than what a guy does in sheer volume over a random (from player to player) amount of minutes. No scouting service / team looks at Per Game Stats by themselves and tries to justify why (Player A) is better than (Player B)). — And since you, along with other Kobeites can’t see by watching (due to nostalgia or whatever) that Kobe is no longer the supreme 2 in the L, people like me, have to use stats that make a more clear picture of why one player is better than the other. And it’s not like it’s just one advanced stat, it’s all of them.
    .
    - http://www.basketball-reference.com/play-index/pcm_finder.cgi?request=1&sum=0&p1=wadedw01&y1=2009&p2=bryanko01&y2=2009
    - http://www.basketball-reference.com/play-index/pcm_finder.cgi?request=1&sum=0&p1=wadedw01&y1=2010&p2=bryanko01&y2=2010
    - http://www.basketball-reference.com/play-index/pcm_finder.cgi?request=1&sum=0&p1=wadedw01&y1=2011&p2=bryanko01&y2=2011
    - http://www.basketball-reference.com/play-index/pcm_finder.cgi?request=1&sum=0&p1=wadedw01&y1=2012&p2=bryanko01&y2=2012
    .
    Sorry

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    i asked you too show me because you brought them up. It’s not my job to prove what you say to be true.

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