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Wednesday, October 20th, 2010 at 8:00 am  |  326 responses

Top 50: Dwyane Wade, no. 4

The definitive ranking of the NBA’s best players.

by Michael Bradley

He has the ring and the gold. The scoring title and the Finals MVP trophy.

Now, Dwyane Wade has the validation.

How else do you describe what happened this summer, when LeBron James decided that the quickest avenue to an NBA title was to join forces with Wade? He couldn’t do it himself. Didn’t want to join the Bulls. Said no to the Knicks. Cavs? Clippers? Nets? No. Nope. Nyet. Miami and Wade were Highway One.

Can’t blame James, can you? Who in the world wouldn’t want to play with Wade? He handles everything on the to-do list each gaDwyane Wademe, and he does it without seeming as if the world revolves around him. He’ll score 30, but it will be an efficient effort, not some look-at-me performance designed to earn hype and excessive praise. Wade hits the big shots and makes the fancy plays. He also passes, defends, rebounds and leads. That’s the big reason for James’ choice. Lots of guys can pile up the points; Wade is one of the few who makes it seem as if that outcome is the only proper way the game should go.

He plays a position where that isn’t exactly the norm. Look at some of the 2 men in the League, and it’s a wonder they haven’t changed their names to Get N. Mine. If they have less than 10 points at the half, everybody else on the team had better forget about getting the ball after intermission. Wade will score, but he won’t be a pig about it.

Check out his ‘08-09 season, when voters robbed him of the MVP award, because Miami won only 43 games. Only 43 games? Without Wade, the Heat wouldn’t have won five. Did you see that roster? No offense to Michael Beasley, Udonis Haslem and Co., but Wade had to do it all. And he did. He won his first scoring title. Became the first player in NBA history under 6-5 to block 100 shots. He averaged 7.5 apg and 5.0 rpg. Wade had better points, rebounds, assists, steals and blocks averages than either James or Kobe Bryant, yet they finished ahead of him in the voting. Who votes for this award, hockey fans?

The best part about that season was that Wade didn’t complain a bit. He kept up the hard work, fighting through the nagging injuries and leading a team with some serious holes. Last season, when the undermanned Heat was on the verge of being swept by Boston in the first round of the Playoffs, Wade showed his pride and leadership by dropping 46, outscoring the entire Celtic team in the fourth quarter, 19-15, to avert the quick exit. It didn’t matter that the whole thing was a lost cause; Wade wasn’t going out like that.

He won’t be making a first-round exit this year, since he now has the supporting cast he needs to get back to the top. That’s right: supporting cast. James and Chris Bosh chose to join him. They know how much it will mean to play with a star who does it all. The Promised Land Express is getting ready to roll. Looks like there are some interesting passengers on board.

Engineer Wade is ready to throw down the throttle. Get ready for a wild ride.

SLAMonline TOP 50 PLAYERS OVERALL RANK POSITION RANK
Player Team Position 2010 2009 2010 2009
Ray Allen Celtics SG 50 36 10 9
Gilbert Arenas Wizards SG 49 34 9 8
Lamar Odom Lakers PF 48 33 14 10
John Wall Wizards PG 47 NR 13 NR
OJ Mayo Grizzlies SG 46 46 8 12
Al Horford Hawks C 45 NR 6 NR
Jason Kidd Mavs PG 44 45 12 10
Joakim Noah Bulls C 43 NR 5 NR
LaMarcus Aldridge Blazers PF 42 39 13 12
David West Hornets PF 41 31 12 8
Monta Ellis Warriors SG 40 NR 7 NR
Andrew Bogut Bucks C 39 NR 4 NR
Yao Ming Rockets C 38 NR 3 NR
Brandon Jennings Bucks PG 37 NR 11 NR
Zach Randolph Grizzlies PF 36 NR 11 NR
Stephen Curry Warriors PG 35 NR 10 NR
David Lee Warriors PF 34 NR 10 NR
Brook Lopez Nets C 33 NR 2 NR
Gerald Wallace Bobcats SF 32 NR 7 NR
Manu Ginobili Spurs SG 31 29 6 7
Tony Parker Spurs PG 30 15 9 3
Kevin Garnett Celtics PF 29 13 9 3
Rudy Gay Grizzlies SF 28 44 6 9
Josh Smith Hawks PF 27 40 8 13
Andre Iguodala 76ers SG 26 26 5 6
Al Jefferson Jazz PF 25 23 7 7
Russell Westbrook Thunder PG 24 NR 8 NR
Chauncey Billups Nuggets PG 23 19 7 5
Tyreke Evans Kings PG 22 NR 6 NR
Danny Granger Pacers SF 21 21 5 5
Carlos Boozer Bulls PF 20 32 6 9
Paul Pierce Celtics SF 19 17 4 4
Joe Johnson Hawks SG 18 20 4 4
Rajon Rondo Celtics PG 17 27 5 8
Amar’e Stoudemire Knicks PF 16 16 5 6
Steve Nash Suns PG 15 22 4 6
Tim Duncan Spurs PF 14 6 4 1
Chris Bosh Heat PF 13 13 3 4
Derrick Rose Bulls PG 12 18 3 4
Brandon Roy Blazers SG 11 10 3 3
Pau Gasol Lakers PF 10 14 2 5
Dirk Nowiztki Mavs PF 9 9 1 2
Deron Williams Jazz PG 8 11 2 2
Chris Paul Hornets PG 7 4 1 1
Carmelo Anthony Nuggets SF 6 7 3 2
Dwight Howard Magic C 5 5 1 1
Dwyane Wade Heat SG 4 3 2 2

Notes
• Rankings are based solely on projected ’10-11 performance.
• Contributors to this list include: Jeremy Bauman, Maurice Bobb, Erildas Budraitis, Sean Ceglinsky, Ben Collins, Bryan Crawford, Sandy Dover, Adam Figman, Manny Maduakolam, Eddie Maisonet, Ryne Nelson, Doobie Okon, Ben Osborne, Charles Peach, Branden Peters, Quinn Peterson, David Schnur, Todd Spehr, Kyle Stack, Adam Sweeney, Dennis Tarwood, Tracy Weissenberg, Lang Whitaker, Eric Woodyard, and Nima Zarrabi.
• Want more of the SLAMonline Top 50? Check out the archive.

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  • Overtime

    I imagine there will be alot of comments on this ranking, argueing abot how could Durant possibly be over Wade?
    To be fair, they have a point, I might lean toward Durant myself, but it is easy to forget just how good Wade is. He literally can (and does) do it all.
    We won’t see him do that again, he doesnt need to, ut we know he can.
    And his defence probably doesnt get mentioned enough. His blocks are wayyyyy higher than they would be expected to be

  • BBaller

    First, for once.

  • http://bugmarley.com LeoneL

    If he’s all that, how come he’s number 4?

  • http://bugmarley.com LeoneL

    Nice try BBaller.

  • BBaller

    damn you Overtime!
    4th for Wade, there’s is nothing to say, good spot for a class player.

  • http://www.nba.com Jessdogg

    If Durant is infront of Lebron on this list i will never return to this site again.

  • BBaller

    No fair Overtime, not much to add to this, Wade is a complete player and should have a stellar season.

  • trey

    If Durant is infront of Wade on this list i will never return to this site again.

    oh…

  • http://www.slamonline.com James the Balla

    Interesting.

  • VisionofGreatness

    Wow, they have Durant at 3…this is going to cause some trouble on here lol

  • Lan

    Surprise us Slam

  • http://masterx1983@hotmail.com marchalmadness

    wade should be above durant and even kobe maybe
    Didn’t have much help last year and individually awesome: go wade
    Lebron number one though(hands down)

    Lebron and wayde togehter= crazy!

  • AT33

    Hell NO! D Wade is the No. 2 basketball player in the world right now! The only player who is above him and above all is his team mate LeBron. The last few rankings are a bit off anyway:
    - Melo is better then Kevin Durant right now! Howard is a solid defensive machine but he’s not gonna win you a championship therefor no franchise player (why is he in the top 5?).
    - Deron Williams is better than Chris Paul
    The last few rankings should have been like this:
    8. Chris Paul
    7. Daron Williams
    6. Dwight Howard
    5. Kevin Durant
    4. Melo
    3. Kobe
    2. DWade
    .
    .
    .
    1. LeBron (he is in a different league)

  • http://www.slamonline.com James the Balla

    @AT33, Lebron is in a totally different league, the league of all stars without rings. Same as Steve Nash! : )

  • Mia

    I do not understand. If D. Wade is the leader and Lebron is his supporting cast how does Lebron rank higher than him. It does not make any sense.

  • http://itsahardwoodlife.blogspot.com omphalos

    I don’t mind so much that Wade is behind Durant, but Lebron should be behind Wade this season. Its Wade’s team, and he’ll show everyone what he can do with a decent team around him. The bit in the writeup about not being a pig about it… the difference between Wade and Bron.

  • Reflex

    I personally would had Wade at 3 but I’m not mad at Durant being there, dude did have a 30-7 yr @ 21 yrs of age. Assuming he improves, we could be looking 33-9. Not to mention his incredible effeciency from 2points, 3points & FT plus his upside his tantalising. So yeh, KD or Wade at this spot works fine for

  • arthur

    Michael Bradley sighting!

  • T-Money

    For the life of me, I can’t understand how Durant is a better basketball player than Wade right now. Wade had a 30 ppg season too so the difference in scoring would be at best trivial. After that, it’s a landslide win for Wade in every aspect of the game. A proven winner, Finals MVP, in his absolute prime. I mean, it’s crazy to me that people get on a lot of guys in the league because they havent proven anything but KD gets a pass. We have one playoffs series to judge how he reacts to pressure situations and physicality right now and let’s just say that it’S inconclusive. The guy is a phenomenal talent but there’s just no way he is better than D-Wade right now.

  • http://nba.com Reflex

    I personally would had Wade at 3 but I’m not mad at Durant being there, dude did have a 30-7 yr @ 21 yrs of age. Assuming he improves, we could be looking 33-9. Not to mention his incredible efficiency from 2 pointers, 3pointers & FTs plus his upside his tantalising. So yeh, KD or Wade at this spot works fine for me

  • http://slamonline.com Bryan Crawford

    DWade, the only real basketball “killer” — outside of Pat Beverly — on the Miami Heat. I can say that with confidence because I know where they come from. Basketball killers don’t come from Dallas…or Akron. Just nice guys and goofy’s.

  • Daniel Aus

    Perfect spot for him, only question now is durant or bryant for no.2 and thats as a kobe fan. Lebron is a unique prototype monster but kobe gets shit done, D Wade is the guy who for a superstar gets the least props (less wins) but you wouldn’t hate him for the rings he’s getting with the supersquad

  • http://slamonline.com Bryan Crawford

    @T-Money: Your same logic can be used in the Kobe vs LeBron debate on who’s better. It’s all subjective and is really nothing more than a popularity contest and not based on anything tangible anyway.

  • http://www.slamonline.com Eboy

    Bryan needs to shape his basketball life up. You really do sound like a bitter old dude. You know what’s going to come from Dallas and Akron? Champions, homeboy.

  • T-Money

    Reflex: that assumption is really optimistic. going from 30 to 33 is a) really, really hard b) almost impossible if your team is improving and other guys like westbrook, green and harden are stepping up c) he’s been on the record as saying that he wants to be more of a playmaker this year (which is excellent). 9 rebounds can be done though, as OKC wants him to play at the 4 more this year.

  • VisionofGreatness

    @Bryan
    I’m glad someone sees this….LeBron does not have the mentality of a killer.
    @T-Money
    Durant had some pressure and physicality to deal with this past summer and I think he handled it pretty well. But I would still put Wade above him.

  • http://www.slamonline.com Eboy

    If the top 4 has any merit, Kobe should be next then Bron and KD at one. This season’s production should warrant those spots.

  • BBaller

    I respect Wade’s humility and general personality more, which makes him a better teammate and person than Lebron. Lebron has embarrassed himself with his antics and will have to earn that respect back this season, i sincerely hope he does.Lebron should do all that bragging,boasting,gloating and self indulgence AFTER he wins 1 ring, then give him anything he wants, he’ll be king after all.

  • Ganchan

    So where you come from is how you judge basketball talent? That doesn’t sound subjective at all.

  • http://www.slamonline.com Eboy

    Let’s see….these guys are all players that aren’t killers: Dirk, Barkley, Malone, Stockton, Reggie, Ewing, Grant Hill, Kevin Durant, Dwight Howard, Chris Paul, Deron Williams. Should I continue? I’d take my chances with those guys anyday. You sound like a dumb guy.

  • http://slamonline.com Bryan Crawford

    Bitter? About what, E? I’m just calling it like it is. The dudes on that team from CHICAGO are the real killers. Well, and Udonis, who’s from Miami. But the Akron and Dallas natives, ain’t no “killer” in them. Like my grandmother would say, them cats “wont hurt nothin’ and won’t let nothin’ die.”

  • http://slamonline.com Bryan Crawford

    @Ganchan: There is a distinct difference between “talent” and “mentality.” I’m not questioning anyone’s talent.

  • http://slamonline.com Bryan Crawford

    Eboy: Dirk, not a killer. Grant Hill, DEFINITELY not a killer. Dwight Howard, no way, no how. The rest of your list, those guy were/are killers. And you sound very disillusioned with no concept of what a “killer” on the basketball court is.

  • http://www.slamonline.com Eboy

    Bitt…err….Bryan, you really believe that? For real? I know you like to try and get dudes riled up with your silliness, but, I mean….wow. So who’s the multiple killers on the world champion Lakers. Two guys, right? Kobe and Fish? How about the Magic? They ain’t got ONE. The Thunder? Nada. The Celts? Maybe 2…I’d go one and a half since Ray Ray was about efficient in the Finals as the last sh*t I took. So what are you talking about. Who’s the killers on the Bulls? Rose? Who else? No one? This argument is dopey.

  • jahmai

    I’m getting so excited to see the top 3! Tough spot for D-Wade though such a good player, don’t really know how I feel about him at no. 4, but KD KB24 and Bron deserve a spot in the top 3 too, so… someone’s getting left out. Sorry Flash.

  • Ganchan

    either way it is subjective

  • http://slamonline.com Bryan Crawford

    Frankly, Eboy, I’m quite disappointed that you would pick 3 of the LAMEST dudes in the history of professional basketball and label them as “killers” and then try and throw the “dumb” label. I’m still dodging those jabs, homeboy.

  • http://www.slamonline.com Eboy

    Bryan….a killer on the basketball court is a guy that come up huge in the games biggest moments. Not one of the guys I listed ever got their killerness together to get a title. Hence, they ain’t killers, just great, legendary players. Kobe’s a killer. Mike’s a killer. Bird’s a killer. Magic was a killer. D-Wade in 06 was a killer. Zeke was a killer. There’s a handful of killer’s in NBA history. You are the one with the jaded view on who should and shouldn’t be on that list.

  • http://slamonline.com Bryan Crawford

    @Ganchan: Having a “killer” mentality isn’t subjective at all. It’s clearly visible.

  • http://slamonline.com Bryan Crawford

    Eboy: Kobe, DFish and Ron Ron – Killers. Orlando, has one, maybe, but it’s not their star, that’s a definite. OKC, KD and Russ West. Celtics, Rondo & KG. The Bulls, DRose, most definitely. Clear enough for you?

  • jahmai

    I’m not trying to be a smartass, but Dwade didn’t have a higher rebound avg than LeBron in that season. Wade had 5.0 rpg (just as you wrote) but LeBron had 7.6 rpg.

  • http://www.manutd.com T-Money

    BC: you’re joking right? i mean, you can’t believe that there’s a correlation between where guys grew up and how “killer” they are. and what has rose done that warrant killer status besides bricking free throws late vs kansas? pat bev… wtf?! / Vision: the big boys didn’t show up for this tournament for team usa and the other squads too (pau, yao, dirk, manu, tony p, etc.) if he does it in the playoffs this year, i’ll applaud him. let’s see him do it first.

  • http://www.slamonline.com Eboy

    KD must have lost his killer card when he saw Laker yellow and purple last season.

  • http://slamonline.com Bryan Crawford

    Eboy, there is a difference between being a big-game player and a killer.

  • Ganchan

    Thats not the point the point is where they come from. You seem to think they only come from Chicago. Talent itself isn’t subjective either.

  • Nick the Quick

    Where’s the wise sage JTaylor and his ever enlightening views on the basketball world when we need him?

  • Mia

    I absolutely love Kevin Durant but he is not better than D. Wade

  • http://www.slamonline.com Eboy

    “there is a difference between being a big-game player and a killer” If you get an opportunity today, I’d LOVE to hear you break down the difference’s between them. Thank you.

  • http://www.manutd.com T-Money

    Rondo, D-Rose and KD are killers? Ahahahaha. What’s their track record? Rondo shot 20% from the line in the finals and wanted no part of going to the hole late in games because he was scared sh-tless of getting fouled. That’s a killer right there. D-Rose, KD and Russ West have done NOTHING in this league in pressure situations yet. We’re annointing killers that have yet to get out of the 1st round now? Even KG is more than glad to defer when the going gets tough and hide somewhere around the russian spot. If you’re going to name a killer on Boston, it’s DEFINITELY Paul Pierce. He wants the ball in his hands and he delivers with the game on the line (Hesi-cross to get to the right elbow and it’s wrap). This is the most arbitrary assessment I’ve seen in a while.

  • http://slamonline.com Bryan Crawford

    @Ganchan: I’m not suggesting that killers ONLY come from Chicago…

  • http://www.threadsandkicks.com.au/ Eduardo

    I guess they put Durant ahead of Wade because he has a lot of potential already leading the league in scoring and he’s only what 21-22?

  • Overtime

    I really dont know what Eboy and Bryan are arguing about, but either way…
    @T-Money, your argument is pretty much spot on for Durant over Wade (Only things you could throw in there are durability and the fact Wade plays in the East) but other than that hard to disagree with you.
    HOWEVER: If this list is based on their percieved production for the coming season, you can see where Durant may take over. Wade production must surely go down if he is sharing with Bosh and Bron? Not by a lot but still, whereas in Durant I could see his points hovering at same level while his boards increase and poss assists too.
    Its this argument that actually makes me think Lebron could be next, because again, surely his prod will decrease, and you cant say that it will be that much higher than Wade’s, so you cant have him two spots higher if you get me?

  • flash

    tough spot for my main man dwade. but it doesnt matter, we’ll show em who’s who this season. goodluck to you and stay healthy!

  • http://slamonline.com Bryan Crawford

    @Eboy: I’m not interested in breaking it down for you. If you can’t see the difference between Kobe Bryant/DWade and Dwight Howard/Grant Hill, then there’s no hope.

  • michael

    @ jahmai, i think they were saying he was higher than either kobe or bron in all the categories

  • BBaller

    Hey Eboy, Since you missed out on the Miami season preview gig are you going to submit a write up for Lebron? You did deserve that more, i can testify that you been with Miami for years and I trust you can be fair and unbiased as possible.Better yet, how about a real challenge for you and do a honest write up for Kobe’s.

  • http://www.slamonline.com Eboy

    I know the difference…..I’m afraid that you do not….hence the reason I listed the guys I did. Big game/champion “killers” and regular season/early playoff exit “killers” are not even remotely in the same hemisphere.

  • Ganchan

    I guess contextually it is a tad belittling to people from Dallas and Akron, what you really mean is Chris Bosh, and Lebron are not killers and Dwyane is. Fair enough.

  • Tom P

    these comments have nothing to do with wade…but how can lamar odom be ranked 48 and how in the world is Ron artest not even on Slams top 50. These people are out of their mind…in every starting position for the Lakers there is a player in the top 1/3 percentile..besides durant lbj and melo there are barely any other players head over heals better than ron artest at the three defense never gets rewarded in these rankings…this the same guy who led the rockets to game 7 against the lakers

  • http://slamonline.com Bryan Crawford

    Eboy, you clearly don’t know the difference — by labeling Grant Hill, Dwight Howard, and Dirk Nowitzki (WTF?) as killers — that much is obvious. And it doesn’t matter if a guy wins a championship or not (Reggie Miller/Allen Iverson) or if their team gets bounced from the playoffs early (DRose/Kev Durant), a killer is a killer. Figure it out…

  • http://www.slamonline.com Eboy

    From my 9:02a post :”Let’s see….these guys are all players that aren’t killers” Aren’t……AREN’T KILLERS! Reading is fundamental, kid. Figure it out…

  • Kadavour

    I think Durant has a great jumpshot from 18′ and beyond, better than Dwayne and Melo, other than that, WHAT DOES HE DO BETTER THAN THEM? This list is infuriating.

  • Tom P

    and speaking of wade there is no way he should be behind kd i like kd but he only proven to be a jumpshooter in the nba thus far a mighty good one but lbj kobe wade all can do that and attack the bucket averaging around the same amount of points

  • Tom P

    and they all got a better post game than durant

  • Tom P

    and wade is surely a better passer at this point in his career

  • JTaylor21

    What the Deuce? Slam you guys had to be smoking that thunder when you put KD ahead of Wade. This off-season the KD hype is getting LUDACRIS and out of hand. What the hell did he do beside win one scoring champ, T-Mac won 2 of those but no-one would dare put him over DWade. KD was great during the regular season but playoff time dude shriveled up worse than a california raisin in phoenix sun. I know that people are going to counter that argument with the “it was his first playoffs series” but I’ll respond before they do. Didn’t DWade and Bron hit GWs in their first series? Wade hit one vs BDiddy and Bron hit two vs Wiz, while KD was the 2nd best player on his team and OKC would have got swept if not for Westbrook, so that lame excuse holds NO water. KD-Great player but dude is NOT on Kobe/Wade/Bron’s level, hell DWill/CP/Melo are ALL better than him.

  • Lz – Cphfinest3

    So Bryan Crawford doesn’t think that Dirk and the rest of the bunch Eboy mentioned are killers, but he thinks that Pat Beverly (who until recently played his basketball for Ukranian 2nd Division team Dnipro Dnepropetrovsk)is a killer? Get real Bryan, your Chicago homerism is just getting plain silly. Killers dome from all over the place, not just Chicago or any other gritty big city. You are kidding yourself if you think that (as your comments seem to suggest), we get it you are proud of your Chi-town heritage – fair enough I can relate to that and agree that one has to be proud of where one is from – but labeling Pat Berverly a killer over guys like Bosh and LeBron is just straight dumb. Bird was from French Lick, IN he was as cold a killer as they come. Get real, really where is your argument?

  • http://slamonline.com Bryan Crawford

    Again, Eboy, you don’t get it. And to refer back to 9:02 (which I did misread, sorry, but you totally blew it with that list) Isiah Thomas, not a killer? Are you serious?! GTFOH… Reggie Miller, not a killer? Charles Barkley, are you for real? Chris f**king Paul is not a killer? We should probably just end this conversation now. I’m speaking from a frame of reference that clearly is foreign to you. SMH…

  • T-Money

    There’s nothing to figure out, this is all bs. Being a killer can mean whatever you want it to mean to include players you dig. Rose and KD have done nothing in the playoffs yet, don’t have a history of game-winning shots… so what is this based on? Production is what gets the job done, not some esoteric bs about being a killer or wanting it more.

  • Tom P

    and ron artest was the one checkin kd in the playoffs last year and still not in the top 50?? this list is absurd..and bryan crawford chitown as well as the midwest is where bball players come from period we produce way more productive ballers than the rest thats a fact!

  • http://slamonline.com Bryan Crawford

    @Lz: At what point did I say that only killers come from Chicago? I was only speaking in reference to the Miami Heat and their roster. I know that they come from all over. And I don’t care what Pat did overseas, I’ve seen that kid WAY more than you have (obviously), he is a killer, hands down. And at what point did acknowledge him as being a killer over Larry Bird who isn’t even a part of this conversation? I didn’t. I get it, you don’t like me, but your comment was just plain stupid. Before you decide to butt in, make sure you read everything in it’s proper context first. Thanks…’preciate it.

  • CannibalREX

    No, ok let’s be serious for a sec here.
    Wade cannot go fourth, with durantula at 3!
    Wade has won a ring on his own alongside the shadow of Shaq!!!!

    Don’t be silly !

  • JTaylor21

    @BCrawford, uhhhmmmmm how are you going to label Mr. I shoot airballs in the clutch Durant, DRose and Westbrook “killers” but not Dirk; who’s hit many clutch playoff shots and Bron’s done the same. The logic makes absolutely NO sense at all.

  • http://www.slamonline.com Eboy

    Those guys are not championship winning killers. And you misread again, I included Isiah on MY killer list….unless you don’t know his nickname is Zeke. If you don’t see the distinction, I guess we’ll just disagree and I’ll go on with the planning on several championship celebrations.

  • Lz – Cphfinest3

    Very true T-Money. We can all discuss the definition of Killers all day, but as long as we agree that they only come from Chicago it is all good. (putting my ‘Pat Beverly – Basketball Assasin’ in my DVD as we speak).

  • http://www.slamonline.com Eboy

    And while I like the kid’s game…..Patrick Beverley WILL NOT be on the Heat’s final 15 roster.

  • http://slamonline.com Bryan Crawford

    Esoteric BS, that’s funny… “Basketball” is clearly a language only spoken and understood by a select few.

  • The Philosopher

    I can see why they put Durant over Wade.
    This kid is the real deal.
    No need to go into detail.
    But, Durant has “killer tendencies”.
    Not quite a cold killer yet.

  • http://www.slamonline.com Eboy

    To be honest, the greatest killer of all-time was born in Brooklyn and raised in Carolina.

  • http://www.slam.com Well-Rounded

    DW3 ALWAYS gets left out (LBJ and Melo in ’03 draft, KB and LBJ debates) and now that he is on their level (an argument can be made that he’s BEEN on their level) the media (SLAM) has kevin durant as a better player SMH. This is nothing new to the man thats why he always seems to embrace the underdog role because he knows he will be placed in that roll no matter who he is dominating, yes, dominating. Dwyane Wade is Top 3, easily, hands down.

  • http://www.slamonline.com Eboy

    I like “killer tendencies”. There SHOULD be degrees to killerness. Cold- Blooded……Occasional…..On The Verge……Close.

  • http://slamonline.com Bryan Crawford

    Sometimes, I wish cats would actually try and “understand” what I’m talking about instead of taking my words which were CLEARLY in relation to the Miami roster — and the obvious jab that I was taking at Bron and Bosh — out of context to mean that what I was saying was that “only killers come from Chicago.” Certain people are either slow, or, because it’s me, just like to take shots.

  • Lz – Cphfinest3

    @BC: Your right I am not one of your biggest fans, but I was actually starting to warm to you because of some half-decent articles and arguments you have been throwing out here lately. I did read everything in the proper context I believe, you said: ‘I can say that with confidence because I know where they come from. Basketball killers don’t come from Dallas…or Akron. Just nice guys and goofy’s.’ This really do suggest that where Pat Beverly and Wade hail from determines them as being killers while killers can’t come from either Dallas or Akron. You should read your own comments how you type them, not how they appear in your mind. Bird was used to make the argument that killers can come from anywhere as again you seemed to suggest was not the case, frankly that was pretty obivious in my post. You should be able to get that from reading – I’ll send over the manual next time, sorry. But anyways thanks for clearing up that you think that killers can come from all over, we have no reason to argue then as we agree. And you are right in one thing; I havn’t watched Pat Beverly very much (shame on me?) as I don’t watch second tier Euro Bball. I will be sure to pay attention to his killerness when he logs 4th quarter minutes and takes all the last second shots for Miami this season.

  • hoodsnake

    Kobe is at 3 and his lovejuice drinkers are, to say the least, not gonna be pleased

  • http://www.slam.com Well-Rounded

    one is for certain, DWade is a killer. Currently, he is a Top 2 killer, 2nd to Kobe. I suspect that after this season he will be considered as lethal as KB24 when it comes to “killer-instinct” because he is STARVING and will have teammates to aid him throughout the game and now he can have fresher legs (fix that hammy!) and be an even more efficient/dangerous killer or closer or whatever you want to call it.

  • Tom P

    born in brookly raised in carolina and calls chicago home!

  • http://slamonline.com Bryan Crawford

    @Lz: If you totally glossed over the fact or even missed that I was ONLY taking a shot at LeBron and Chris Bosh, then that’s your fault, not mine. And if your only frame of reference with regard to Pat Beverly is the Euroleague, then you’re not going to understand anyway. You have to go back to his HS and college days in order to get what I’m saying. I’m fully aware that he won’t be logging a lot of minutes with Miami or even as Eboy suggests, may not even make the final 15. Still, anybody who knows Pat and has played against him knows what’s up.

  • http://screwjams.tumblr.com cramzy

    word?! I know this was coming, but it still stings. Dwade is the rodney dangerfield of nba superstars

  • h smo

    As much as I like kobe he might be number 3

  • http://www.dimemag.com Royal

    Kevin Durant’s stats/production next year will be higher than D-Wade, Kobe , and possibly Lebron. So I woulden’t be surprised if he is ranked number one this year. With that said…. I don’t think he is a BETTER basketball player than those guys

  • grey ocean

    Wade never seems to get the respect for just how talented he is. When ppl talk about the best player in the league, it normally turns into an arguement about who’s better: Kobe or LeBron. Why is Wade never included in the argument? What can they do that he can’t? He lead the league in scoring, dragging his piss-poor team into the playoffs. Consistent performance, plus a hard-nosed defender on or off the ball. Durant leads the league in scoring and all of a sudden he’s top 3? Can the dude play d anywhere near as good as Wade? I’m gonna stop here, or I’ll end up on a fully blown rant(if it doesn’t sound like that already lol). I ain’t saying that Wade is the hands down number 1 player in the league, but he’s good enuff to deserve consideration.

  • Lz – Cphfinest3

    @BC: I fully believe you with regards to Pat Beverly’s killerness in HS and college and take your word for him being a good player – I have only seen him playing for Olympiacos, where he was pretty good. But really we are discussing NBA killers here; pretty much all NBA players was killers in HS and college, you can bet that Dirk, Bron, Bosh and some of the earlier mentioned players was killing at that level. You just can’t go and say that Pat Beverly is a bigger killer than Dirk (just an example) because of what he did in HS & college. We are talking killer instinct here, and Dirk, Bron, and Bosh have displayed that multiple times at a level where Pat Beverly is still struggling to find his foothold. Labeling Pat a bigger killer than Bosh and Bron because of what he did in HS and college is completely ludicris. You should see that…

  • grey ocean

    oh yeah, and when he got to the finals, he didn’t fold like a letter stuffer. what did lebron do in his finals appearance?

  • KB8toSG8

    Ridiculous……Durant better than wade? A lot of guys seem to be brain-dead here…..D-Wade is legit. Durant still isn’t…. And I don’t think many of you watched D-wade and the Heat last season. He was waaaay more impressive than I’m-going-to-drive-into-the-paint-and-shoot-FT-for-my-points Durant……(Yeah, he really really does shoot many FTs….Kinda like the only thing I agreed with KG last season….)

  • mubwar

    As soon as i saw Wade at the fourth spot, i was thinking maybe Kobe is 3 with Durantula as a second best and the King as number 1. Scoring champ or not, i still think Durant is a bit too high on this list, Top 5 yes, absolutely not a Top 3 though…

  • KB8toSG8

    Wait a sec……Durant isn’t ranked?!!?! You mean Durant is better than Wade? WTH is wrong with you guys?!?! I’m slamming my head against the wall after seeing these pathetic top 10 rankings…..You guys just stated every single ******* reason for Wade to be top 3! What the hell does Durant have?!?! A gold for the FIBA thingy?!? This is embarrassing.

  • Seven

    If Kobe is higher than Lebron, which could only be ‘justified’ by his championship success(it’s not even debatable that Lebron is far superior statistically in comparison with Kobe), then there is no way Durant should be higher than Wade. Either way, this is a travesty.

  • Tom P

    this whole list is so stupid Kobe and the Lakers should have three guys (Kobe, Pau top 5 and Artest in the top 15) while the Heat have a Bosh in the top 15 and Lebron Wade in the top 3)

  • KING

    D-Wade should at least be #3 on this list
    You are going to praise him for doing it all but give durant the nod because he averaged 30 with hardly 3 assists and 7 boards at age 21? D-Wade averaged 27 points 6.5 assists and 5 boards and durant is better? GTFO

  • Dontavious Daniels

    Are we going to base Durant over wade because of one good season. Can we possibly wait he proves himself as a repeat superstar. Do rings really matter anymore when it comes to rating these players.

  • http://slamonline.com Bryan Crawford

    @Lz: You’re missing it. I’m not saying that Pat Beverly is a bigger killer than anyone. I wasn’t actually going as deep as people tried to take it. It was a surface comment. Do you ACTUALLY think that I believe that at the NBA level Patrick Beverly is a bigger “killer” than LeBron or Chris Bosh?! My goodness, it was just a joke. A jab at two players on the Miami Heat squad in relation to where they come from as opposed to Wade and Beverly. That’s it. Now all of a sudden people think it was serious and insist that I was implying that only killers come from Chicago. FWIW – I only engaged with Eboy further because that’s what we do. He knows what it is and it’s not serious between us. We go back-and-forth and then we make nice again, that’s how he and I roll. Certainly the convo morphed into a discussion on who’s a killer and who isn’t that wasn’t my intention, but that happens in the comment section from time to time. But give me a break, damn. I was only joking around and I think I cleared that up with Ganchan after a couple of posts and even he got what I was doing. I swear man, taking shots at me is almost like a reflex for some people.

  • http://Www.slamonline.com Myles Brown

    You know who was a real killer? Spencer for hire. Bad man, that was. You know what’s killing me? That this silly *ss conversation has gone on for 80+ comments. And no, Durant isn’t better than Wade.

  • http://www.slamonline.com Eboy

    I do love Bryan Crawford. And Spencer For Hire. And to some degree, Myles Brown!

  • http://slamonline.com Bryan Crawford

    Myles is right. Plus, I feel like I’m talking in circles, explaining the same thing over and over. So there is no misunderstanding, my initial comment WAS A JOKE, PEOPLE!! Lighten up…

  • Tom P

    wade better than durant and if you would put five nba ballers from every state they come from on the same team, team illinois would wipe the floor wit any of the teams

  • Michael Whyte

    EPIC FAIL @SLAM. Get your dick out of Kevin Durant for two seconds and look at what he really did. Russel Westbrook was their playoff MVP vs the Lakers. If D-Wade isn’t a better player than Durant i’ll have sex with all your mothers. I cosign an earlier comment if KD gets ahead of Kobe or Lebron ima stop reading.

  • http://www.slamonline.com Eboy

    I will still say KD will get the #1 spot.

  • http://bulls.com airs

    anyone else from chicago think we need a new chicago representative for slam? just me? its a bit ridiculous.

  • Mia

    KD better not be in the top 2!

  • http://slamonline.com Bryan Crawford

    @airs: I’ll see if we can put together a contest or something to find my replacement. We’ll even let you vote on the winner. How does that sound?

  • earl

    if kd was on the heat instead of wade the heat would be better.

  • http://www.slamonline.com jumpman3224

    My Top 5 Prediction Remains Perfect:
    5- Howard !
    4 – Wade !
    3 – Durant
    2 – James
    1 – Bryant

  • Lz – Cphfinest3

    Fair enough BC, I have no humor I guess. And since you need a band-aid I apologize for the shots taken, didn’t think that your skin was charmouse thin anymore after all the time you have spent going back and forth in this comment section. On another note, based on the criteria of this list I think Eboy is right in saying that Durant should be No.1, both Kobe and Bron’s production should go down this year while Durant will probably up his averages. SLAM should really do a ’50 best players list’, just ranking the in SLAM’s opinion 50 best players instead of this ’50 best players based on production in the coming season’ list – which seems very vague. Would be much more interesting imo.

  • Tom P

    Mr. Crawford replace yourself wit me I know bball better than you, Jordan once said that he wish he went against Artest in his prime and he is not on the top 50 what kind of organization are you working for to let that slide, get me in there and ill set the whole place straight

  • VisionofGreatness

    Let’s not count those shots LeBron hit against the Wizards in his first playoff series because the first one was just a layup. The second one, he clearly got away with a travel. The only clutch shot he’s hit in the playoffs was the one against the Magic two seasons ago.

  • Tom P

    Young Crawford replace yourself wit me, I cant believe you would work for an organization who wont put Artest in the top 50 when Jordan stated that he wished he played against Artest in his prime, thats straight disrespectful to the king of bball

  • http://www.slamonline.com jumpman3224

    Was there a point when Slam said “This list is based on projected stats in the coming season”? If so, I haven’t seen it. What it says is “The Definitive Ranking of the NBA’s best players.” Based on that criteria the number 1 spot on this shouldn’t have to be who you would take #1 in your fantasy basketball draft. It should be who is the #1 BEST player. Yea, stats projections should factor in; but should not be the only factor.

  • http://Www.slamonline.com Negative kreep

    Eboy:Please Explaine, what did KD achieved this season that was superior to LBJ’s repeat MVP or Kobes back to back finals & finals MVP?

  • http://www.slamonline.com jumpman3224

    Was there a point when Slam said “This list is based soley on projected stats in the coming season”? If so, I haven’t seen it. What it says is “The Definitive Ranking of the NBA’s best players.” Based on that criteria the number 1 spot on this shouldn’t have to be who you would take #1 in your fantasy basketball draft. It should be who is the #1 BEST player. Yea, stats projections should factor in; but should not be the only factor.

  • Elvis Freshly

    This is just horrible….. if KD is ahead of LeBron then 2012 will arrive early.

  • http://www.slamonline.com Eboy

    Negative…….Nothing. But this list is based on this coming season and I just can’t see (by a matter of overall statistics) Lebron or Kobe outproducing him. Lebron, because his numbers will drop due to sharing with his new high-level teammates, and Kobe due to possible reduced minutes and sharing the load more willingly with Pau.

  • http://Slamonline.com Bryan Crawford

    @Lz: ‘Preciate the band-aid, not necessary though. It’s not that serious, just making a point. And because you have no sense of humor and probably never smile anyway, I’m not too surprised that you missed the joke in the first place.

  • http://Www.slamonline.com Negative kreep

    @Jupman: Thanks, I failed to not that. Is that the reason behind your logic Eboy?

  • http://www.kb24.com The Seed

    Wade at number 4 is fine, Slam will probably have Kobe next at 3, which is fine. This is for projected stats for next year. KD should lead the league in scoring, Bron is the best all around player in the NBA right now, so he derserves one. To clear things up, KD did dissappear in the Lakers series and actually hurt the Thunder more than help. Westbrook was the spark plug and the reason the Thunder hung around. KD did not pass well, shoot well or rebound well. Green was outrebounding him and playing better defense. People forget Kobe switch on Westbrook not KD to slow the game up and cause frustration. I feel that KD is getting Lebrons love now, since KD nickname is anti Lebron. Also people need to understand ESPN will hype anybody and all of the KD coverage for the FIBA team is messing folks up. KD is talented, but he is not a KILLER or have killer tendencies yet see 1st round series last year. KD can score, but what else does KD bring to the table in the NBA right now. NOTHING. I would take Dwade anyday over anybody in the NBA not name Lebron or Kobe or Howard or Melo. Dwade has alot of his shoulders for this year, but I feel like this year will be Dwade’s coming out party all over again. BOOK IT!!

  • JTaylor21

    Earl, pass the ganja mon, you F-ing up the rotation.

  • http://Slamonline.com Bryan Crawford

    Artest? Top 50? Disqualified…

  • http://www.DreAllDay.com Dre Baldwin

    08-09 Season:
    Wade: 30, 5, 7.5 43 wins
    LBJ: 28, 7.6, 7.2 66 wins

    To say Wade was “robbed” of MVP is a helluvan overstatement.

  • http://Www.slamonline.com Negative kreep

    Eboy: I see, my bad I missed the whole projected stats thing.

  • Michael Whyte

    Cosign @ Jumpman!!!!

  • flight

    I’ve read the word “killer” so much its lost meaning… But really this is based on next season solely, that’s why I got KD at the 1 spot. Doesn’t mean he’s a better player etc, just going to have a better season. Yep.

  • Lz – Cphfinest3

    @BC: Never smile? Once more you really have no idea of what you are talking about. I have more girlfriends than you have braincells and smile all day long. Actually I even chuckle quite often, mostly when I read your arguments on this site.

  • http://slamonline.com Bryan Crawford

    @Lz: Don’t throw jabs if you can’t take them back. Charmouse was the word I believe you used to describe the thickness of my skin, am I correct? So stop crying. And I’m glad I can be a source of entertainment during your breaks from your many women, pimp.

  • http://google c_cantrell

    ^bryan.. after reading everything u posted here iv come to the conclusion that your a dumb*ss and as much as i hate eb*tch i have to agree with him on everything he said against u.. your jus a moron.. i wouldnt be surprised at all if durant picked up the number one spot i can honestly see the dude goin for somewhere around 33, 8, n 4.5 he keeps gettin better every year like he has so far in his first 3 years in the league.. dude is destined for greatness

  • http://slamonline.com Bryan Crawford

    @c_cantrell: Tell me how you really feel, lol.

  • Lz – Cphfinest3

    @BC: When was I crying; please point it out? I can take jabs with the best of them without crying – unlike you – just pointed out that you didn’t know what you where talking about when you said that I never smiled. There was absolutely no crying in that comment. Please let me know where in my comment(s) I was crying? To use your own favorite line; I’ll wait…

  • showtimeizback

    I found this to be preposterous.

    Playmaking Wade>Durant
    CLutch Wade> Durant
    2009-10 Teammates Durant>Wade
    First round performance Wade> Durant
    Defense Wade > Durant
    Experience Wade > Durant
    Handles Wade > Durant
    Efficiency Wade > Durant
    Best Seasons Wade (06 & 09) > Durant (2010)
    Number of times Wade has been shut down by 1 on 1 coverage: 0
    Durant: 5 times out of 6 games in last years playoffs.

    Durant is a terrific player. Based on potential he is the 2nd/3rd best player in the league given his age and talent with lebron and maybe D12 in front of him. but in terms of now, wade far and away better than him. why do people expects durants production to increase when his teammates are getting better. Teams will prepare for him better. They saw what ron artest did to him. 2009/2010 ron artest would and could never shut down Wade/bryant/james like he did durant. absolutely unfathomable.

    I am trying really hard to not let ll this kevin durant hype make me dislike him as a player. If you really really look at him and his role in OKC, he is a very high end role player, whose role is to score points. He is the tool of the offense, the weapon so to speak. Where as Wade/Lebron/Kobe (before Pau) were the offense. They did all the scoring and created the offense for others. Durant creates for others just because he is a threat hence his dismal assist rate. without russel westbrook setting him up he scores alot less points. This next argument applies to the cavs of yesteryear as well. the thunder and cavs offense based around there single transcendent players was not really good enough to justify the number of wins they each got. There excellent team defense was a part of that, and in the case of both Lebron/Durant deserve all the credit for that.

    Ranking should have been.

    4.Durant (i actually feel he is below this but whatever)
    3. kobe (I am a die hard laker fan, been watching them through this abysmal preseason, but i am honest. My user name showtimeizback is a reference to the 80s Lakers)

    2./1. The Heat

  • Tom P

    YOUNG Crawford…artest shut down KD in the playoffs and he gets no recognition, this just shows how far off so called “analysts” and “writers” are from the truth…If you could take the two best players in the game Kobe and Lebron and ask them to form a team to go head to head bet you both of them will want Artest , game is ugly but effective

  • http://Www.slamonline.com Myles Brown

    “Killer, kill B! Yo, what did you guys do to my dog?!”

  • Tom P

    the fundamental flaw in this whole stupid ranking is everyones consideration of Defense even though these players play that half of the game..

  • showtimeizback

    The DONT* Deserve all the credit for that.

  • Mr. Robinson

    LZ:
    stfu man.
    it been got old hours ago

  • Lz – Cphfinest3

    Agree with you Tom P, there should be paid more attention to defense (since it is what wins championships). Mr. Robinson, okay I’ll shut up now. But remember nobody is forcing you to read my comments, would be better if you used your energy to make more meaningful contributions to this tread than ‘stfu man’, just saying.

  • http://slamonline.com Bryan Crawford

    @Lz: Keep waiting, I’m done. NBA 2K11 is calling me. But the fact that you pay SO much attention to what I say here, FWIW – I take that as a compliment. Now, don’t you have something else to do? I’m sure there’s an article or something that needs “editing.” And if not, how about you call up one of your many girlfriends and smile at them? As best I can tell, you have a myriad of things that you can do to occupy your time besides going back-and-forth with me all day on the internet…. Pick one.

  • The Fresh Prince of Nsam

    One of my favorite players in the game, confident, athletic, clutch! I knew Slam will put him 4. In my personal list, he’s 3, in front of KB.

  • http://www.slamonline.com Eboy

    I usually make this comment about once a year……I contend that if all the SLAM regulars and the writers who interact with the commenters were to meet all in one place, we’d all get along way better in real life than we do on these boards.

  • The Fresh Prince of Nsam

    Plus he has Gabrielle (who was also a hoopstress)

  • The Fresh Prince of Nsam

    And GREAT write-up Mike.
    I hope the next 3 writers emulate ur piece.

  • Slanger Bange

    Good article except for the MVP arguement…Lebron led an overachieving, overhyped Cavs team to the playoffs and made them look like the contender that they weren’t. LeBron also had almost the same amount of assist and more rebounds than D-Wade. But for the most part you were right and im upset that Durant is ahead of him. Durant might have more potential but D-Wade is already proven. You do not risk players for potential. If that was the case Michael Beasley would be in the Top 10.

  • http://slamonline.com Bryan Crawford

    Eboy, I made up in my mind a long time ago that if I ever met you, I’d punch you in the face! And before anybody goes off the deep end and tries to take my words out of context and accuse me of threatening physical violence against a commenter…it was a JOKE! If I ever met Eboy in real life, I’d buy him a beer…and 4 tennis balls for the legs of his walker!

  • http://www.bulls.com Enigmatic

    I usually hate the fact that I’m on Alaska time and thus am always late to the party, but it’s kinda nice I got to skip that whole silly “killer” debate.

  • http://thephotoriot.com davidR

    one more time: stephen jackson didn’t make the top 50?!?

  • The Fresh Prince of Nsam

    Did I said Great piece Mike? Yeah I did but u deserve 2.

  • James

    Call me when Durant develops half the passing/playmaking ability of Wade.

    Until then, this is a joke.

  • igetmoney01

    how is dwayne wade a better player then dwight howard????? wade cnt even make it thru the preseason without an injury…this list got worse and worse as they added players…

  • http://thephotoriot.com davidR

    don’t worry enigmatic, i’m with you on that. i’m here in the bay area (cali), so by the time i get to work it’s already 12pm to most of the commentors

  • onions baby onions

    “rankings are based solely on PROJECTED ’10-11 PERFORMANCE”..”the definitive ranking of the NBA’s BEST players.”

    If people just read these two lines there would be so much less pointless arguing.

  • http://thephotoriot.com davidR

    and yea, michael bradley sighting!

  • Lz – Cphfinest3

    @BC: Very true, I really should be getting back to work. I come to SLAM to read about my passion basketball and get my head of things, I don’t come here to pay special attention to what you or anyone else for that matter are saying. It is just so that often it graps my attention what you are blurting out – mostly for the wrong reasons – and I get this urge to comment. But remember it is not me who spends my every day commenting on here (if you are getting paid per comment, you’ll be challenging LeBron for the best paid in basketball before to long); I check in during lunch-break and if there is good discussion (or stupid arguments like the one we just had) I sometime hang around. Enjoy your gaming, I am sad you couldn’t explain to me exactly where I was crying earlier…

  • onions baby onions

    also, I don’t understand all of you fantasy/statistics-obsessed cats who say Durant should be #1 because his stats will be better than everyone else’s next season. Unless I’m missing something, the words PROJECTED PERFORMANCE (upon which these rankings are based) are not the same as the words PROJECTED STATISTICAL OUTPUT. Stats are definitely not useless, but they can’t be used as the only variable in determining the best players in the league.

  • http://www.slamonline.com Eboy

    B, I don’t drink, but I could use the tennis balls!

  • PapaBearATL

    If you didn’t catch it, it’s PROJECTED performance! That means what they did last year is considered but not the driving force. Kobe: injured, not gonna stress his body to much until playoff, has the back up to do it, Dwade and LBJ: won’t have even close to the numbers, since they are sharing the court. Hopefully DHoward learned something at the Dreams camp or 5 would be to high, so of the top tier players left on this list, Durantula is the only one taking the lions share of his teams responsibility. I predicted this on Melo’s 6. I think the above statments are reasonable, as is this list:
    5. Howard
    4. Wade
    3. James
    2. Bryant
    1. Durant

  • http://slamonline.com Allenp

    Chris Kaman should have been in the Top 50. Dude looks nice this year, like it’s finally all clicking. He made a pretty, pretty post move to the baseline last night that he could not have made 3 years ago because he lacked the confidence and skill set.
    Tyreke is overrated.
    Baron makes me angry.
    Eric Gordon needs to take over as “The Man” on the Clippers. He shouldn’t be deferring to anyone on that squad.
    That’s all for now…
    Oh, and Wade is clearly better than Durant and, barring injury, will be better than him this upcoming year. And trust me, Eboy believes that with all his heart no matter what he wrote.

  • unrel

    kobe, bron, wade, KD.. we can agree that these are the top 4 in the L… and from a day-to-day basis.. they’ll interchange their rankings throughout the year.. so can everyone stop complaining about the Slam rankings that were done weeks ago?.. it makes you all look foolish.. because as of today.. of the 4.. wade is hurt and not playing.. so he should be 4th.. today.. kobe 3rd.. bron 2.. and KD 1st.. tomorrow.. i might have a different ranking..

  • Carlos PR

    If you put Durant in front of DWADE you are the dumbest person in the history of sports speaking as a Kevin Durant fan. There is no way right now that Durant has accomplish anything Dwade hasnt, Dwade right now is the 3rd best SG in the history of the game only behind Jordan and Kobe. He is a complete player he has is it all Finals MVP, Playoff since rookie season, hops, passsing ability, defense, scoring title, should have had 2008-2009 MVP, Allstar MVP, defensive nba team. You are definitely a “hockey fan” as you just wrote. Also Dwade was the leading scorer of team usa coming of the BENCH. Take that you idiot, retire and dont ever right blasfamy again. Durant has the world to conquer and he can, but Dwade has already done it. Durant is on Carmelo’s league not Dwade, Kobe and Lebron league. Dwade is a finisher, game winners, blocks, game winning steals, buzzard beaters. He has it ALL.

  • tyquez

    bull shit he ant better than joe johnson are melo,james,kobe,rudy gay,roy,deron willaims,howard, they some nut nuts he good but?

  • http://www.slamonline.com Eboy

    Allen, I’d argue more for Lebron’s place above KD’s. Not Dwyane’s. And Dwyane is my dude.

  • Lz – Cphfinest3

    With so few quality bigs around, Kaman belongs on a top 50. I he is ready to go, there is not that much seperating him and Bogut.

  • unrel

    the last few comments confused the hell out of me.. someone get this back on track..

  • Hammer

    Wade @ 4 sounds good. Personally I would put him @ 3 and durant @ 4. Still not bad enuff 2 “grab ur torch and pitchforks” like sum folks r prepared 2 do here. The way I view it is u can’t go wrong with ur top 4,no matter who ends up where. KB8,durantula,lbj and flash r ur top 4 anyhow (n no particular order by the way)

  • ab40

    what are buzzard beaters? and what is blasfamy. DWade is a great player and probably better than Durant but Durant means more to his team now and has a lot more potential even at the level that he’s at. LeBron is on another level alltogether and only kobe can match that or come close with his skill and mindset.

  • http://www.bulls.com Enigmatic

    Did someone really ask how is Dwyane Wade a better player than Dwight Howard???? Where do I start?! If Wade was 6’11″ he’d probably average like 30 pts, 14 rpg, 6 apg, 3-4 bpg!!

  • http://www.slamonline.com James the Balla

    @Eboy, well you, me and Juk’s get along on facebook, that is like being in person! lol

  • ezra

    Wade is a much more complete playe than durant, Wade does it all on both ends of the floor, not only is he better than durant but if you really wanted to you could argue him as the best player in the nba. Wade can take any game over just look at the 2006 finals, and hes much better then he was back then. He has a much improved jumpshot, freakishly athletic great handles and court vision and amazing defense. Durant isnt even a better scorer than wade Durant put up his numbers with jeff green and wesbrro taking pressure off him, wade puts up numbers just as good with no help, and scoring out of double and triple teams.

  • Michael

    Wow!!! Durant over D Wade? Has everybody forgot what Wade can do? and has Done over the years? Durant had one great season, D wade has had several years under his belt

    Real list
    5. Dwight Howard
    4. Kevin Durant
    3. Dwayne Wade
    2. Lebron James
    1. Kobe Bryant

  • http://slamonline.com Allenp

    Eboy
    You are sleeping on what Wade is going to do. That’s all I’m going to say.
    I have seen angry Wade, and Angry Wade is a beast. Now defences can’t just load up on him to stop him? Oh my.
    Durant is nice, but he is not as unstoppable in the NBA as Wade. In FIBA, sure. But not in the NBA. It’s the little nuances of the game.

  • http://www.slamonline.com Eboy

    Yes, Allen, I’ve seen him too. I also think you are thinking with his scoring mentality solely. He will be the Heat’s leading scorer. Lebron’s averages will still be greater than every other wing player in the league. I’ve got Dwyane at about 27/5/4. I’ve got Bron at about 25/8/8. THAT’S why, under the SLAM Top 50 criteria, I would have Lebron over Dwyane.

  • Bruno

    angry lebron, angry wade, angry this and angry that … why in the hell would any player of the heat be angry???

  • http://www.redraidersports.com Nicolas Fleming

    OJ is a killer.

  • http://www.redraidersports.com Nicolas Fleming

    Of the Juice variety that is, not the sandwich spread.

  • http://slamonline.com Allenp

    Nah, I was talking about Durant. Not Bron. No, I got Bron over Wade. My bad, I misunderstood you.
    I was saying that you believe Wade should be higher than Durant despite your comment about the list criteria.

  • http://slamonline.com Allenp

    Bruno
    Well, if I had received the response the Bron and Bosh received, I would be angry and have something to prove.
    If I was Wade, I might relish the opportunity to get revenge on all the stacked squads that beat up on me when I was surrounded by lesser players. I would play with a chip to let people know, who may have forgotten, that it ain’t crazy to argue that I’m the best in the League.
    So, I think they have some motivation to be angry, besides the general motivation of wanting to prove their dominance.
    Like I said, remember the huge chip Wade had on his shoulder the year of the Olympics? Dude was just driven.

  • Bruno

    well we all have to wait and see if you’re right … but angry bosh??? maybe if the celtics frontcourt abuse him in the 1st game of the season haha

  • http://slamonline.com Bryan Crawford

    Allen, DWade played with that chip because people aid he was a has been and he had to let people know that he still had a lot of game left in him. I don’t see why he’d be playing with a chip now though. Nobody took shots at him this summer whatsoever. I think him trying to play and prove that he’s the best player in the League is futile considering, he’s playing with, arguably, the best player in the League. I think, for at least this season, he’s going to do his thing, but he’s just along for the ride. If Bron and Bosh play like they have something to prove to “haters” like me, Dwyane won’t have to do much at all. He’s got the easiest job in the NBA right now.

  • http://www.bulls.com Enigmatic

    @ BC – Wade will have plenty of haters too this season, believe me. In fact, even though dude’s from the Chi, I’m willing to bet more people hate him there now than they hate Bosh and James combined. The city is probably split in half now on how they feel about Wade (and something tells me most Sox fans still got love for Wade will most Cubs fans are saying “f*ck Wade”)…of course I could be wrong, being thousands of miles away kinda makes it hard for me to know what’s going on back home)

  • Puhleeze

    Horrible rankings. Wade is the best player in the league, and he proves it time and time again. But because he’s played in a small basketball town his whole career and also because he’s not as hyped as these other guys, people pretend he’s worse than he really is just to squeeze the more hyped players in before him. The fact that Durant is now being put over Wade has got to make him sick to his stomach and even angrier for this coming season. Put it like this, if Wade had Westbrook on his team last year, he’s headed to the ECF.

    1. Wade
    2. LeBron
    3. Durant
    4. Kobe

    Those should be the rankings. If LeBron had at least been able to make the finals once in these last two years I’d tie him at first though.

  • http://thephotoriot.com davidR

    allenp, do you agree with me that stephen jackson got shunned from this list? the immediate impact his presence has on the bobcats + his numbers i felt were more than enough to justify a ranking

  • Hammer

    I’m sick and tired of people mentioning 06 finals wade. That was 4,going on 5 yrs ago! What has he done LATELY that’s been relevant as that performance? Arguably best player n the L!? Haha! As long as kobe and lbj doin their thing,not likey. Top 4 yes,not best! Move on from 06

  • http://slamonline.com Bryan Crawford

    @Enigmatic: I think over the summer people may have felt a certain way, considering he took two meetings with Bulls brass and speculation that he would sign was floating around. Certainly having another explosive, Chicago born and bred guard in a Bulls uniform would’ve been nice, but at the same time, I don’t think anyone expected him to leave Miami and certainly nobody blamed him for staying put. You and I know how great Chicago is, but if you’re young, rich, famous and can afford to live in Miami where the weather is nice all year round, would you leave all of that to come work in Chicago during the cold and snowy winter? That’s about the only thing that I don’t blame LeBron for in his decision. After 20+ years of living in Ohio, Miami sounds better than Chicago any day of the week. But you still raise an interesting point that won’t be seen until the Heat roll through here in January. He may get SOME boos, but it won’t be more than Lebron and Chris Bosh will get from the fans, that’s for sure. This is home for DWade, he gets love here.

  • Hammer

    @enigmatic. U might b on2 something. I wouldn’t say I hate wade,but I was dissapointed and pissed that wade chose mia over chi. I really had high hopes he would want 2 go home and restore the bulls 2 prominence. @ at the moment I have 2 say I’m still a lil pissed @ him. Not an lbj fan after his 1st couple seasons so his decision didn’t make me hate him more or like him. I’m not from chi,I’m just speaking as a bulls fan

  • http://www.bulls.com Enigmatic

    @ BC – Valid points. I was stationed on Okinawa from ’04 to ’06, and it was paradise. And if I was given the choice of going back home or staying in Oki, MAAAN I LOVE Chicago but that Oki weather is just too damn NICE. So I can’t blame Wade for doing basically the same thing. Chicago winters are brutal, hell their summers are brutal too (too damn humid!) plus Florida = no sales tax. I still think there’s a lot of people that dislike Wade now though. I think, the further you get away from the South Side, the more cats are hating on dude now. Cause he’s gonna get love from the South Side no matter what.

  • http://slamonline.com Bryan Crawford

    I’ve seen a lot of people here who were upset that Stephen Jackson didn’t make the Top 50. I like Cap’n Jack, no doubt about that. But if he’s Top 50, then someone has to go. So my question is, twofold: 1. Where should he be ranked? 2. Who should he replace?

  • chris

    BOOOOOOO u guys r giving durant way 2 much credit

  • Tom P

    I’m from the chi and speaking for myself im not hating on Wade at all, what everyone here seems to forget is by all forms of logic Lebron had two choices, maybe three, choice 1: stay in Cleveland to win his hometown team a ring or 2: go to the team that will give him the best chance to win, now when bosh decided he was going to Miami the clear choice for that option is Miami like me the rest of the chi should be heated at Bosh for making that decision he shoulda decided to come to chicago and play wit a premiere pg, Lebron and premiere center in Noah. Lame Bosh chose to go to Miami that selfish prick. Wade probably talked to Chicago and found out that himself drose and lebron could not be on a team and relayed that message to Lebron who then decided to go to Miami

  • Tom P

    Young Bryan all this talk about weather is irrelevant these guys are in it to win it not sit around on the beach..thats just foolish…Bron did not want to play wit Boozer back wen he was a rookie why should he want to play wit that selfish fool now?

  • Tom P

    Young Bryan all this talk about weather is irrelevant these guys are in it to win it not sit around on the beach..thats just foolish…Bron did not want to play wit Boozer back wen he was a rookie why should he want to play wit that selfish fool now?

  • Tom P

    the bulls front office would not put that much money into their back court and Boozer already proved to be a bad option for Lebron when Boozer decided to leave Cleveland early on in his career if I was Bron i wouldnt trust Boozer either..Wade took advantage of the situation and gave Lebron the best chance he could ask for there, Lebron would be a fool to sign anywhere else but Miami..fact!

  • Michael Whyte

    EBOY: please read. I’m not sure but is this list ‘the definitive list of the best nba players’? i wouldnt know because i am new to this site, maybe this list is for the upcoming season and the criteria is predicted stats? but then i cant understand why you would make such a list. to put kevin durant 1 because his stats might be better this year is stupid. thats like saying sure monta ellis is going to put up some big ppg this year he’s better than lebron cos lebrons numbers are going to drop. every list is topical. and opinion driven. but there is no way that kd is number 1. unless of course this list is based on predicting stats for this year? heck no. kobes the best player on the winning team (he gets top spot), but lebron is the best player in the league.

  • http://www.slamonline.com Eboy

    Michael, the SLAM Top 50 list, each year, is based on projected performance for the upcoming season.

  • http://Www.slamonline.com B-more Mike

    What would be more frightening, Bron- Wade or Bron-Durant? As a laker fan I’m aware & concerned but 4 some reason if Bron & Durant were the duo with Bosh, DAMN!!!!! Tell me that don’t sound like 8 chips.

  • http://Www.slamonline.com B-more Mike

    No knock on D-Wade but I think Durant’s skills complement Bron more better as a sidekick that’s all.

  • Michael Whyte

    ‘Projected performance’ for this season i still have Lebron and Wade ahead of Durant. Performance isn’t always about PPG. It’s about winning, making players around you better and your overall contribution to a team. I say Miami win more games than OKC this year, and they win because they have Lebron and Wade. Give Kevin his due, but number 1. Come on.

  • http://www.facebook.com 9steele9

    • Rankings are based solely on projected ‘10-11 performance.

  • http://slamonline.com Bryan Crawford

    *mental note* Don’t argue with fools…don’t argue with fools…don’t argue with fools…don’t argue…

  • slick ric

    slam is tweaking this is where Kobe should be he is getting older plus he just had knee surgery, Im confident he wont have a better season than Wade, durant or lebron.

  • http://slamonline.com Bryan Crawford

    This from the same person who says Ron Artest should be Top 50. *mental note* Don’t argue with fools…don’t argue with fools…don’t argue with fools…don’t argue…

  • http://slamonline.com Allenp

    Stack Jack is nice, but I agree with Bryan that you have to say whose spot he should take. i don’t remember every name, but most of them deserved a spot over Stack Jack. In my opinion.

  • http://slamonline.com Allenp

    Hammer
    I mentioned 08 Wade, the one from the Olympics. The only difference between that Wade and the one we’ve seen the past two years is that Wade decided he wasn’t going to kill himself with free agency coming up.

  • http://Slamonline.com nbk

    I think all of the big 3 will have equal to better seasons then they did last season with the exception of ppg. But shooting %, reb, asst, stl, blk, efficiency, +/-(obviously) will all be up from last season.

  • http://Slamonline.com nbk

    By big 3 I meant the miami big 3

  • http://sdklff.com Jukai

    Wait… did someone say Rose is a killer?
    hahahahahahflksdflsa.c.ds….

  • http://sdklff.com Jukai

    Lebron is gonna lead the league in assists next year. Watch for it.

  • http://slamonline.com Bryan Crawford

    @Jukai: *raises hand* Guilty as charged.

  • JTaylor21

    Bron/Wade is better than Bron/KD because for one Bron/Wade both are GREAT defenders; KD isn’t. Bron/Wade are GREAT passers; KD isn’t. Bron/Wade come up BIG in crunch-time; again KD doesn’t. Plain and simply, Wade/Bron would be more dominant that KD/Bron.

  • Tom P

    Young Crawford you will be forever young if you disregard Ron Artest like that, I mean I forgot did Paul Pierce have a nba finals like he had wen the won the championship did KD have a playoff series like he had a regular season? Can you refresh my memory on this? who were the lakers toughest opponents in 08 when they won the championship? was that an artest led rockets team who took em to 7? I forget can you refresh my memory??

  • Tom P

    i meant in 2009

  • http://slamonline.com Bryan Crawford

    @Jukai: LeBron, lead the NBA in assists? Steve Nash, Chris Paul, Deron Williams, Rajon Rondo, and Jason Kidd would all like a word with you…

  • bashmo

    if this is projected list of top 50 players for next season, then it would only make sense for durant to be ahead of wade. Wade has now teamed up with 2 superstars. His scoring output and individual numbers will go down. Durant on the other hand, is coming off a 30ppg season and is probably going to explode next season.

    So yes, having Durant ahead of Wade makes sense because this is a list based on the projected performances next season, allegedly. On the other hand, its obvious that Wade is better than Durant. Dude is a monster, he can drive, defend, pass and finish waayyyyy better than KD.

  • http://Slamonline.com nbk

    Steve Nash Chris Paul and Deron Williams would also like LeBrons teammates….

  • http://slamonline.com Bryan Crawford

    OK, I’m going to hate myself for this later, but, I’ll bite… Tom, by what TANGIBLE criteria (other than a Michael Jordan compliment) does Ron Artest deserve to be Top 50 in the NBA on THIS list or any other? But with regard to this list, who should he replace and why? Please enlighten us all…

  • http://scott.r.carter10@gmail.com Scott Carter

    No doubt that #3 will be Kevin Durant. Lebron is #1, Kobe is #2.

  • http://slamonline.com Bryan Crawford

    @nbk: Fair enough. I know I said before if he averaged a triple-double I’d never say another bad word about him, but I’ll add lead the NBA in assists to that statement as well.

  • Tom P

    well why is john wall on there for starters, and to be honest with you I would bump Brandon Roy down and stick this man right in front of him, you above all should know that the biggest pick up of last year was artest to the lakers. In my opinion the Lakers have three men in the top ten players list and Pau Gasol should be ahead of Dirk for that matter. Artest deserves to be on the list because he is the one true guy on the list that plays the other half of the game not mentioned by anybody sure chris paul gets steals but your defensive criteria does not talk about the individuals who stay in front of their men at all times, how many times did artest get dropped off by 40 against an opponent? I kno B. Roy did it once but other than that you tell me how many times that happened to this guy. What about the fact that before any game the guy who is going up against him is thinking to himself hey artest is checking me…

  • Tom P

    Defense is not fun to talk about or do for that matter, but everyone knows this man does it the best on a day in day out basis, and that position at number 11 on the list Artest is put in right where he belongs within the top 5 small forwards in the game

  • Tom P

    im sorry artest at 11 not 10

  • ocanada

    lebron
    kobe
    durant

  • http://www.need4sheed.com Tarzan Cooper

    Wade is, and has been, among other things, the best defensive guard in the league. …….. … .Ben gordon is a killer……. … … … …. … .. Kaman, jack, aaron brooks, and caron butler all should have been on this list, esp kaman and brooks. Its incredibly befuddling. …….. ….. … Tyreke is not overrated.

  • http://slamonline.com Bryan Crawford

    So because of DEFENSE ONLY and nothing else TANGIBLE — scoring, rebounds, assists — Ron Artest is not only Top 50, but Top 11 in the NBA? Over Brandon Roy? Give. Me. A. Break.

  • Michael Whyte

    @Tom. Ummmmmm Lebron owned Ron last year. There’s 1.

  • http://slamonline.com Bryan Crawford

    Am I the only one reading this or just the only fool acknowledging it? I’m OK with either.

  • t-sizzle

    oh my.. absolutely right! Ron Artest is absolutely one of the best basketball players right now. Definitely up there top 10 or even top 5. so maybe he’ll show up next?

  • Tom P

    I got to see MJ play every game on tv as a kid and where i’m from whatever he says goes enough said. man said he wished to play against artest thats high praise and that even goes for his hof speech!

  • http://www.bulls.com Enigmatic

    Jukai Posted: Oct.20 at 4:59 pm
    “Wait… did someone say Rose is a killer?
    hahahahahahflksdflsa.c.ds….”

    This coming from a Suns fan? Rose posterizes a different Sun every season…he’s at least a Suns killer.

  • Tom P

    i already gave you reasons you fool he can score create his own shot and play defense only what does that mean young crawford, defense is half the game, the other half is offense, defense does not have statistical categories the way offense does he is the best defender in the league or among the best and does not get credit because of his image and because they will put lbj over him because that mans a freak

  • http://slamonline.com Bryan Crawford

    After Tom P’s 5:42 comment, I think I’m done for the day. Manana, peoples…

  • http://Slamonline.com nbk

    @BC I am by no means saying he will lead the league in assists but I’d be willing to bet he finishes above one of those guys this year and could approach 12apg in the next 4 years

  • http://slamonline.com Bryan Crawford

    OK, last one… I watched every game MJ played as kid too, and even I’m not that damn dumb to co-sign Ron Ron as Top 11 in the NBA just because Jordan said he would’ve liked to play against him. OK, now I’m done. It’s been real…two fangaz.

  • http://Slamonline.com nbk

    Tom P your wrong sorry. Artest creates as many issues as advantages. If you don’t remember in the phoenix series arrest almost single handedly shot LA out of 2 games but lucked out – jrich doesn’t know what box out means so that’s all everyone remembers. And Artest is not the sole reason individuals struggle against LA – Bynum and Gasol take away the hoop, and Artest and Kobe were the best defensive wings in the NBA. If Artest was a top 50 player he would be consistent but he’s not

  • http://Slamonline.com nbk

    Top 11*

  • Michael Whyte

    cosign nbk

  • Matt R

    Wade should be number 2 right behind The Black Mamba himself, Kobe Bryant. KD is an amazing talent and will probably one day take his spot as the best in the league but until he can prove that he can win it all (without having to tag-a-long with his other superstar buddies *cough* Lebron), which im not saying he cant, he’ll have to pay his dues to Wade and Kobe.

  • http://www.bulls.com Enigmatic

    Am I missing something? MJ DID get to play against Artest, didn’t he? Hell, Artest broke dude’s ribs!

  • http://bulls.com Harry Twatter

    Wade-a-minute!!!!! Lebron is better? I know he’s bigger but better?

  • feez22

    lol and the unimaginable on this ranking happens… durant over wade? what kind of foolishness… wade #4? wtf is going on? ridiculous… btw wade should NOT be ahead of lebron thats foolish. Lebron is the 2 time reigning season MVP not wade. Lebron is the guy that had the best statistical yr last yr in a DECADE (since shaq) not wade… leader this, wade’s team that lebron is the more talented player i don’t think that aspect should even be into question… clearly lebron ranks ahead of wade after this season is over you will know why. ok back to durant… durant over wade? WTF lol if u want to proportionate stats durant is the more efficient scorer… THATS IT. if you take size into consideration rebounds are a WASH. after that wade is the better passer, better playmaker, better leader, more clutch, more fire, much better man on man AND help defender… seriously basketball isn’t only about offensive scoring. If u want to delve even further wade in his 3rd yr won an nba championship and had the most efficient individual nba finals for a finals mvp EVER not to mention his thrashing of washington/detroit(good defensively/reigning eastern conf champs)/dallas… i knew this was coming… upside over production is what the name of this ranking is. I wouldn’t be surprised if kobe is #1 due to allure and 5 rings… cuz he sure as hell wouldn’t be #1 for production season or playoffs included.

  • http://slamonline.com Bryan Crawford

    Dammit, I can’t help it, but this needs to be said… Tom, you were delusional to think that Artest is Top 50 to begin with, but you just went batsh*t crazy by saying he’s Top 11 in the NBA. That is hands down the dumbest thing I’ve heard all week and it’s only Wednesday. You beat out by a mile a conversation that I had with a cat who said that Derrick Rose is going to shoot between 36-38% from behind the three-point line this year.

  • http://www.bulls.com Enigmatic

    Hey Tom, can I see what your top 10 looks like? I need a good laugh….

  • http://Www.slamonline.com B-more Mike

    @jtaylor- you have a point on the defensive end. But 2 me it’s like Dwade is a 6-4 Bron. They do the same things 2 a certain extint. I try 2 play with them on 2k but I can’t get the chemistry on what it’s going 2 be like. It’s like their both so great that they will step on each others toes a bit. But like I said”no knocking wade”.

  • http://google c_cantrell

    ^dude this is real life not 2k lol get your head outta the game in moms basement in get a life

  • Tom P

    and NBK i gotta say this now, your over here trying to say he shot his team outta the phoenix series sure ill give you that, and ill say that he is a ball stopper at time but foreal look at the body of work jo…the year he got into the brawl the Pacers were favored to get outta the East and compete in the championship (vegas odds)! You can say that jermaine o’neil was the best player on the team at the time but be foreal i personally think artest was, then he got shipped to Sacramento who got better as a result and then he had his chance to actually win with the rockets until both mcgrady and yao got injured (a travesty as the dismembered rockets team lead by artest fell short to the lakers in 7!) then he joined the lakers and won a ring while checking the truth and making him a non factor in every single game of the finals so while you harp on one series im looking at his WHOLE history, no disrespect; for slam not to put the whole lakers starting unit in the top 50 is beyond me (even derrick fischer deserves a nod!)

  • Tom P

    Enigmatic my top 10 goes like this:
    derrick rose, chris paul, kobe, dwade, lebron, pau gasol, tim duncan, dwight howard, kg wen healthy if not put artest in there in no particular order

  • Tom P

    alright take duncan out and put in kevin durant

  • http://www.bulls.com Enigmatic

    WORD! Where the hell is Derrick “Fischer”?!?!

  • http://Slamonline.com nbk

    So how come you don’t talk about his shooting % or the fact that he missed an entire year as a result of his actions. He WAS a top 10 player/MVP candidate but his inconsistency outweighs the good. He was outcast to Sacramento bonded with the coach, then said coach moved to Houston so Artest followed. The team gelled as a unit, Artest shot like 35% against LA lol he was not dominant. LA won a title with Trevor Ariza so crediting artest with Making LA better is straight stupid. Yeah they beat Boston but Boston is not the same team it was in 08. Go to sleep Derek fisher belongs in the top 50 that is unquestionably the most blatantly and purposefully stupid comment I have ever read. If you were serious then I apologize for wasting my time responding to your bumblings

  • http://www.stonesthrow.com Michael NZ

    I’d take Wade over KD… for now (just) – which is what this list represents afterall. But the bigger travesty was having Pau, Dirk, Deron and Paul ranked below SLAM favourite Carmelo Anthony. %#$@!

  • http://www.bulls.com Enigmatic

    Tom, come on now. Rose? I love dude, but top 10? Not yet. KG top 10? Not anymore. Artest over DUNCAN?! OK, everyone’s entitled to their opinion, but I mean…DAMN.

  • http://bencamerondavis@facebook.com Ben

    Durant may not even qualify to be in the top ten…. the top three players in any order is Wade, LeBron and Kobe… 4 is Melo.. Durant hasn’t done anything that Melo hasn’t… and Melo has more weapons. Chris Paul… Deron Williams, Brandon Roy is right there with Kevin Durant… It’s crazy how the media can persuade the world to believing such filth…

    Wade is just better at everything.. he is a better ball handler. he is a better rebounder for his position… he is a better passer. better at driving, better at drawing fouls, shoots a better percentage from the filed… more unselfish, he is more clutch, and he is impossible to guard… he is a better shot blocker, a better defender, a better post season performer… I don’t get why are people saying that Durant is better?? I don’t get it??

  • bashmo

    So is Artest better than Danny Granger? Paul Pierce, Carmelo Anthony? Kevin Durant? LEBRON JAMES????

    Nawwww son

  • Tom P

    nbk im crediting artest for shutting down the finals mvp the last time lakers played the celtics is that not enough reason to atleast put him in the top 50? and yes i was kidding about fishcer although i would take him in a big game over many point guards which puts him in the top 1/3 percentile of point guards in the league and please dont get me started with “his” actions during his mvp candidacy season, and that team took on his personality im giving you intangibles and your giving me stats

  • http://slamonline.com Allenp

    Oh, did y’all hear about Lebron’s tweets? Check it out.

  • Tom P

    my whole thing is Artest is a top 5 Small Forward in the league wherever you want to rank based off that go ahead..and yes i do think d. rose will prove to be the best pg in the game this year thats my chitown biased but he has all the tools, midrange jumper high fg% and quickness and most athletic of them all pg wise

  • Tom P

    i love cp3 and i know deron williams dunked it all over d. rose last year but screw all that he will claim the crown this year! and to stay true to this board which i have not been doing this whole day DWADE DESERVES the 3 spot on this stupid countdown at the very least, watch out fellas everyone will be in for a surprise this season wit WADE!!!

  • Ghost

    I think a lot of the (insert name here) debates would be solved if people read that these rankings are projected for the 2010-2011 season.

  • http://Slamonline.com nbk

    Well your intangibles broke up a title contender and needed the premiere organization on the planet to make him what he truly is….a great role player.

  • rzezt

    EPIC FAIL @SLAM. Get your dick out of Kevin Durant for two seconds and look at what he really did. Russel Westbrook was their playoff MVP vs the Lakers. If D-Wade isn’t a better player than Durant i’ll have sex with all your mothers. I cosign an earlier comment if KD gets ahead of Kobe or Lebron ima stop reading.

  • http://sdklff.com Jukai

    Enigmatic: Andrew BYNUM killed the Suns. Andrew Freaking Bynum. Dropping 50 and posterizing my entire team doesn’t make you a killer.
    Rose does not have that Kobe killer instinct. None more than Lebron, anyway.
    If you think he does, you’re a homer. Sorrrrrry.

  • JTaylor21

    @BMore Mike, why should bron/wade have chemistry issues? For one they are both great/willing passers, your point would make sense if one of them was a ball-hog but that isn’t the case. They’re both very good friends off the court from what I’ve heard even before they decided to become teammates. Anybody that has ever played on the same team with their friend knows that it makes the game easier/relaxing for both players. Also they both played on the olympics for about 4 years so they kind of know each other tendencies and favorite spots on the floor. I personally don’t think they would have a problem meshing with each-other on the court this season.

  • http://sdklff.com Jukai

    Guys need to read exactly what the rankings mean.
    I’d take Wade over Durant too.
    But Wade’s going to be sharing the ball with Lebron all year. Both of their scoring is going to take a hit, hell, it’s possible Bosh will lead the team in scoring because he’s going to be getting so many open look passes. Wade’s rebound numbers are going to drop like hell too, with Lebron and some legit tall centers (Big Z stand up!).
    Durant, on the other hand, is still the one and only option on his team. His stats are gonna be other worldly.
    Sure, Heat might win it all, but will it be Wade putting up the huge stats or Lebron?
    That honestly depends on who deals with point guard duty the most, and Wade has publicly complained about playing the one spot while Lebron secretly wishes he was Magic Johnson. You do the math.

  • http://www.bulls.com Enigmatic

    Jukai – I just couldn’t help taking a shot at your squad, that’s all.

  • http://Yahoo.com Eboyhater

    Artest can f@ck up melo lebron granger and durant though and he has a ring the only thing is that mbenga has 2 and only average 1 point a game

  • g

    wow first of all Durant is a threat in this league but putting him over wade is way too much credit yea he’s young but wade has everything over him except the 3 point jumpshot scoring wade is better defense wade is better attacking the rim wade is better i personally would put wade over lebron as well because lebron has had help from teammates every year he’s been in this league i guarantee you if wade had the same team as lebron last year that would’ve been an easy chip wade is more clutch than lebron and can get to the rim better than lebron my list is Kobe Wade Lebron then Durant but putting him 4th is ridiculous

  • http://www.bulls.com Enigmatic

    @AllenP – I can’t check his twitter from work, but I’ve read about it. Some of the things they were saying to dude, I can’t say I’m surprised, but it doesn’t make it any less disgusting. At the end of the day, he’s an NBA player who chose to sign with another team as a free agent. He didn’t kill anyone, he didn’t molest any kids or beat up any women. And the people throwing out the racial epitaphs, why the hell are they even NBA fans?

  • http://www.need4sheed.com Tarzan Cooper

    Ill join enigmatic, suns suck, perpetual losers, nash is ooverrated, etc. Anyways I like some suns players. Ha just fn with u juks. Heat will crush everyone. Crawford is dumb for engaging stupid dude. O well. Its all geeeeeezy

  • JTaylor21

    eboyfaker, sure Artest was f*cking Bron when he dropped 37/11 on his head. You do know what f*cking means right? Never-mind because you probably still believe that babies are delivered by storks.

  • http://sdklff.com Jukai

    haha, nice to see you too, Tarzan.

  • Hammer

    @allenp. My comment wasn’t directed toward u man. It was toward ezras comment

  • BBaller

    If SLAM do place KD at #1, the real controversy will be who is at #3. For Kobe or Lebron to be 3rd on any list whatever the criteria is hard to understand.

  • Jake

    Really?REALLY? Do championships not mean anything anymore?Excuse me while I go break something.Wade should be No.3.

  • Justin

    I just don’t see how SLAM could come to this conclusion. Durant is great, but better than Wade? Naaahhh…

  • TrailBlazing&SportingLisbon

    Wade´s defenitly better than Kobster nowdays and much better than Durant since they can be called as good as the other as scorers and Flash does ALL THE OTHER THINGS BETTER THAN KD, I knew it, the hype is outta control…HE WON 50 GAMES FOR THE FIRST TIME, D12 HAS HIS TEAM IN THE 60´s and conference and NBA finals.

  • Gomez

    Good article. DW an unbelievable talent with humility to boot … Durant – what a player, the word potential is not enough … But, I can sense a few raised eyebrows from NBA bygone legends regrding the hype around this kid (granted he doesn’t seem to generate much of it himself). He’s good, yep. He’s even really, really, really good … But great …? Surely we’re all judged by our past actions, achievements, longevity among other things. KD hasn’t earned the right. Yet. Maybe he will, maybe he won’t …

    Ps. The Melo article. No. Tell what he is, not what he aint … Why he’s there, not why he shouldn’t be.

  • http://www.stonesthrow.com Michael NZ

    Hey whatever generates the most comments…

  • nicholas

    Wade is underrated entirely, LeBron is overrated though not to say he is not one of the best players. Kobe is the best player in the league, and Kevin Durant is the new up and coming best player in the league. He has set himself apart from the rest and is now in the elite class of Kobe, Wade and LeBron. But to put him over Wade, cmon! What would be right is having him at the number four spot, and the final three being a toss up between the other three. This list is based solely on expectations for the 10-11 season so with that being said its hard to judge how the final three should go. Kevin Durant is very good but if I were making a team for this season, I am picking up Kobe first, than Wade, than Bron, than Durant and at last Howard.

  • Jeremy Bauman

    When will people learn that Durant is 21 years old and has the highest ceiling in the League? Its his time now and I’d take him over just about anybody, even DWade if I was building a team.

  • Clay

    SPOILER ALERT…… Kevin Durant is Number 1…

  • nicholas

    would not be surprised to see Durant at 1

  • The D Train

    If Slam was rating the #1 Snake In The Grass…Wade is the winner, hands down. Listened to his rap during the summer about how he really was thinking about signing with Chicago because he loved his kids. Turned out he really loved Lebron and Bosh more…

  • The D Train

    fyi: snake in the grass comment…serious. loving LBJ and Bosh more than his kids…a semi-joke.

  • The Philosopher

    Brethren:
    I liked that “killer” debate.
    Levels of “killer”:
    __________________________________________________
    1) First Degree “Killer” – someone who consistently performs brilliantly in the clutch, offensively/defensively.
    2) Second Degree “Killer” – someone who occasionally performs as described above.
    3) Third Degree “Killer” – someone who performs aforementioned very rarely/once, twice in an entire career. (minimum 3 year career)
    Please feel free to add on/subtract.

  • The D Train

    The “killer” idea is so subjective, but I wonder if guys that are arse-holes have a better chance of being deemed “killers?” For instance, Duncan qualifies under Philospher’s first level, but I wonder how many people would consider him a “killer.” MJ and Kobe are ego-maniacs, so is it easier to associate that term with them? Some cats, like Hakeem, Shaq and do not seem as raw as Kobe and MJ, at least in some regards. To me guys like Lebron fall into this category. He’s personable and laughing on the court. So does that mean he’s less a killer than Kobe with his jutted-jaw thingy? I do not know, but I don’t necessarily think that is an indictment against LBJ if he is.

  • The Philosopher

    If it stays just purely about basketball and not personality, it may become easier to pinpoint.
    I feel you.
    Duncan is an all time “killer”.

  • The D Train

    Also…might fall on deaf ears, but whatever. JTaylor makes some BS arguments. I do not like his style of debate, at times. But I apologize for telling people to ignore him. That is not my place. He makes good points at times, although he often negates them with the name-calling and put-downs, but I shouldn’t be telling people to ignore him. He seems to know his stuff, even if he often refuses to acknowledge anyone else’s opinion, and I did enjoy his debate on D-12 yesterday. So JT, I apologize for talkin ‘ish, but please, be rest assured that if you don’t act like you did yesterday, which is to say intelligently, and with a dash of class, I’ll be right back to raving against you. And if you want to tell me to take a flying leap, I’m coolio with that, too.

  • The D Train

    @Philospher: but to the layman, separating basketball from personality is not easy. Think about all the “Jordan would cheat against his own grandmother at cards” stories. Meanwhile, Magic is smiling and being the face of Showtime. Does that mean that Magic was less of a “killer” than MJ? I don’t think anyone that really loves basketball would say that is even remotely possible. TD falls into the Magic-category (as does Lebron), at least in my eyes. Off the court, they were cool cats. They didn’t talk incessantly about nothing but basketball. Does that mean that one who is so supremely talented is less motivated? I think not. I just find it odd that we often associate single-mindedness with a “killer” instinct, even if the person who is not so universally single-minded can become so when they are between the white-lines, so-to-speak.

  • Swagg_Sean

    If Lebum is in front of Kobe this year, I will never return to this site again

  • The Philosopher

    Statistics can aid us, maybe.
    Food for thought.
    You raise interesting points.
    Maybe one day we will see what happens.
    To me, pure clutch tendencies are easy to point out.
    Non clutch tendencies are easy to point out, as well.

  • str8 from samoa

    WADE SHUD BE NUMBER 2!

  • http://thetroyblog.com Teddy-the-Bear

    Don’t be surprised if Kobe appears next at the #3 spot.. I have a feeling Durant cracks top 2 regardless of who is next.

  • Nottrue

    LeBron is not a basketball player, he’s a bulldozer. This is how the league is as I see it for 2010: 1. Kevin Durant 2. Dwyane Wade 3. Kobe Bryant

    LeBron is a bum, straight up. If he was half as motivated to work on the his game and the fundamentals like Jordan and Kobe were/are he’d be the best player ever, unfortunately he cares more about his brand than basketball.

  • http://www.slamonline.com/online/nba/slamonline-top-50/2010/10/top-50-dwyane-wade-no-4/ Poetic Justice

    The rankings are based on projected performance/stats for the upcoming year. Last time I check W’s are a huge part of that. Maybe their (Wade and co.) points go down as a result of sharing the rock. But arguing that their other stats will go down significantly is purely speculative. There’s still plenty of assists to go around, blocks and steals won’t be affected, and the opposing teams are gonna miss a lot of shots so rebounds shouldn’t change drastically. On top of that, all of their efficiencies should increase due to increase in open shots/lay ups and dunks. Isn’t that the most popular stat these days anyway? So even taking into account all of that, I would say wade and bron (not bosh) will out perform durant. I think they can both average at least 24/6/6 and I would say those stats with 65 wins and a chip outperform Durant’s 30/7/5 with 50 wins and a second round exit.

  • http://www.slamonline.com/online/nba/slamonline-top-50/2010/10/top-50-dwyane-wade-no-4/ Poetic Justice

    The only concern I have that would drastically affect their performances is if they blow teams out and sit the 4th quarter of a lot of games, which is likely. But in saying that, it could be argued that the blow outs were due to their performance, so if they averaged 20/4/4 and played only 30 mins a game, while still winning 65 games and the chip, then it could still be possible to say that they outperformed Durant.

  • http://www.slamonline.com/online/nba/slamonline-top-50/2010/10/top-50-dwyane-wade-no-4/ Poetic Justice

    Before anyone hates on me, Dwade is my guy, I take him number 1. But Durant is my second favourite player, so my comments above are not biased against him. I’m saying they’re my favourites, not my order of best players. Also the talk of durant and lebron on the same team. What about wade and durant, that would be equally scary, if not more. ‘Killer’ might I say…

  • Quantumphysix

    @teddy TB ..Im with you..Kobe #3, Durant #2, and LBJ 1. it is a projected season here!!!

  • http://www.nba.com Jessdogg

    Eboy stop breaking my heart… If KD tops this list then i will do a sh!t on this keyboard.

  • http://www.fiba.com Darksaber

    Hahahahaha, oh so funny. Dwyane is ranked BEHIND Durant. Nice wrinkle there, Slam. I flew 12 hours to Europe a day ago, arrived in freezing weather (i live in the tropics now) and thought i might have gotten a brain freeze when i saw Wade at No. 4 this morning. Oh well, might as well have KD in 1st place, right?

  • polution

    Why is everyone so in love with Durant??? He’s a good player, but the media has hyped him up so much.
    1) Lebron 2) Wade 3) Kobe 4) Howard

    These guys are who the opposition are most scared to play against in my opinion.

  • JASPER

    Slam!!You have hurted me!DW and Durant,obviously,the former is much much much much more more more better.Durant just got a scoring title,and his team ranked 8th in the west.Does his amazing performence in US team puzzle you?I want a convincing reason for DW ranking in 4rh,but not Durant or kobe( hey!).What you will say in Durant’S comment?

  • Michael Whyte

    @Nottrue. You are incorrect. You are a douche.

  • Randy Brown

    Seriously, as well rounded as Wade’s game is, and Durant’s still above him? Scoring is still too respected in basketball

  • Anthony

    I cant wait to see who is at the #3 spot, either way it will end in a world battle on the comment section.

  • Groves

    hes pretty damn great

  • http://www.triplejunearthed.com/dacre Dacre

    Steve Nash will have a better season next year than Kevin Durant… whats the dealio….oh and Killer was mentioned 57 times.

  • http://hoopistani.blogspot.com hoopistani

    I can’t believe you guys went for LeBron-Kobe 1-2 again, but then again, I CAN believe it considering how much obsessive love you give these two guys.
    Not this year – Durant and Wade will be two best players in the league this season

  • Tom P

    i cant believe this list this list is so off, you have four celtics in the top 50 and only three lakers this list is so stupid according to this list the celtics should be the best team but everyone knows the lakers have the best team talent wise

  • http://www.nba.com Gman

    Wow. What disrespect to Wade. He is a top 3 player.

  • http://slamonline.com Allenp

    The rankings say “projected performance” not projected stats.
    Just because Durant puts up better numbers, which isn’t a given, does that mean that by his performance he was clearly the better player.
    Think about it.

  • Harlem_World

    KD has crazy potential but c’mon son…NO WAY is he better than DWade. Not yet. At this point, he can’t win an argument over Melo. Future, yes. Now? No. Melo is better on the glass, better inside, comparable outside, stronger and more accomplished. I like KD’s game and approach a whole lot, but he is NOT better than DWade. That’s just dumb talk.

  • Darjan

    KD had an awesome year but 3rd place IS mad disrespect to D-Wade!

  • jesse

    If Wade deserved the MVP that season then James deserved it the year before, but only because KObe’s team had the better record is why he got it. Now dont put it on james if he got it from winning.. and Durant is a great player but to put him over Wade is of much disrespect. The kid cant jsut jump the line of people he has to pass, Carmelo understandable but D Wade come on. Kobe should be 3 or 4 due to the way he shot in the FInals dam if james shot that bad, Everyone would be all over him… just do a quick fix and change it to wade 3 or 2 and durant 4 or 3..

  • robert

    the writers wrong about lebron being a supporting cast type player watch this team will be his by the end of the year comment and say what ever you like to me its just the truth besides wade admitted the lebron was going be to the leader pretty much.

  • HeatFan4Life

    Why the hell is Dwade at 4. This makes no damn sense, I don’t know why people under talk and under estimate him it pisses me off.

  • Exile

    Wade is number 2, or 3 in the L…. (depending on Kobe’s health). Full Stop.

  • bruce

    wade is NO.1

  • lucas

    How can Durant be ahead of wade ????? durant maybe good but he hasn’t won anything yet . D-wade has proven everything. He is minimum third, minimum

  • http://www.yahoo.com ken

    how come durant is 3?he’s an selfish player.dwayne wade is the best for me

  • http://Trukingiii@aim.com Truking

    @marchalmadness I couldn’t agree with you more.. you know basketball Wade is better than Kobe… Durant isn’t proven Melo is better.I want to put rondo ahead of paul cause i think he might had fell of a little bit. I’m not a fan of deron williams at all but i respect game.
    10.Rajon Rondo
    9. Brandon Roy
    8. Chris Paul
    7. Daron Williams
    6. Dwight Howard
    5. Kevin Durant
    4. Melo
    3. Kobe
    2. DWade
    1. Lebron G.O.A.T once its said and done

  • Big Dee Chi-Born

    There is no way on God’s green earth that Kevin Durant is better than Dwyane Wade. Period! I love KD’s game, but he’s just not on Wade’s level. You put Wade on that OKC squad versus the Lakers and the Lakers go home in the first round. JMO

  • johnny

    this how it should be and i dis like kobe though
    also i put LBJ behind D-WADE cuz wade is a beast at all times and LBJ
    10.rajon rondo falls in the clutch and i love the miami heat
    9.deron william
    8.chris paul
    7.dwight howard
    6.dirk nowiski
    5.derick rose
    4.kevin durant
    3.lebron james
    2.dwayne wade
    1.kobe bryant

  • http://www.nidanet.com/2011/04 Marlin Pizzo

    I actually without doubt need to think far more in that course to see what i can do regarding it.

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