Top 50: Joe Johnson, no. 22

Ellis is better than Joe? Jamal is better than Joe??? What are people smoking on here? When’s the last time either of those guys led their team to the playoffs? I think a shooting guard is only as good as his front court. Who else is going to rebound all their misses?

Naw, there is no other Laker fans on this site that will debate anyone. Kap is a homer and only comes around once a year, Quick Nick doesn’t stick around long. Purple Reign just likes to Say Kobe Rules and then leave the page. The Seed has mental illness issues. RedStar is the equivilent of IAMORAnGE/GREENFOREVAAAA. I dunno even know any Laker fan that is a usual on this site so that’s why no one debates on these ludacris arguments. My search engine doesn’t work right now, but i’ll get on my laptop and show you why Kobe was better than Wade the last 3 years. I’ll give last year to you. I don’t agree, but thats reasonable. Since 08? You gotta be f*cking kiddin me. Be back with the facts gents.

Did I say anything about 2008? You just lump everyone’s opinions together and get all worked up like a 16 year old girl. I would back you up in your arguments if they were intelligent. But they aren’t. If you want I’ll back you up that KObe was better then Wade in 08, but after that I’m not being apart of it. They were real close in 09, and 10, but now its plainly obvious who the better player is. If you can look at them objectively.

Really, Lake?
I don’t need any fellow Bulls fans on here to help me argue my points.
And if your points were valid, even non-Laker fans would agree with you.
I won’t say last three years either, I’d say they were too close to call prior to last year.
But last year Wade overtook Kobe for top SG in the L, just like LeBron overtook Kobe for top player in the L.

I think Wade has at least been equal to Kobe since 2008. Better is still a stretch because I don’t believe Kobe gets shut down like that by the Chicago Bulls. Not in a million years.

Finny thT FG% doesnt make it. Choosey are we Lakeshow? How bout defense? This is why your argument s suck.

Enough with this “per minute” nonsense. When did it become a good thing when one player played less minutes than another? Even with all that said, Kobe played less mins and still took the most shots in the L. Kobe took damn near 300 more shots than DWade yet Wade avg. the higher PPG. So all those “per 40mins” stats are irrelevant.

Using Kobe’s per 40 minutes stats is a tad ridiculous, no? I mean, is he still a 40 minute player in any way?

Ooh that might have something to do with the fact Kobe played all the games. So he shot more… Makes sense. Why shouldn’t we go off Per Minute Taylor? What is a better way to determine with equality? Learn me please.

Allen – Kobe didn’t exactly dominate the Bulls last season.
21 per on 41% in 37 minutes per in two games.

I’ll say Wade was better last year. Defense gives him a definitive edge. 09-10, take your pick, both had stellar seasons. I’ll take Kobe every year prior.

I’m still sticking by my “Wade has been better since the 08 season” assertion. That was the year he led the L in scoring while avg. 7.5apg, became the first guard since MJ to block 100+ shots, second in the L in steals and second in PER (30.4). That was his best all-around season and the year he became the best SG.

Here we go:
Wade FG% – 50%
Bryant FG% – 45%
Wade – 1.5 steals and 1.1 blocks per game.
Bryant – 1.2 steals and 0.1 blocks per game.

D-Wade had the most effecient season of his career due to playing with a 6’8″ Point forward who some would say is the best player in the L. Makes sense to me. Defense wise, Kobe is getting old so I have to give that one to D-Wade. Not by lightyears. But by a fair amount now. KB prime vs D-Wade Prime tho, I’m definitely taking Kobe on both ends of the floor. KB had 1.2 steals as opposed to D-Wades 1.5. D-Wade plays lackluster D often though. Only when he feels like it does he play good D. D-Wade is also the best shot blocking 6’4″ player ever also. So add that in there.

I feel like 2008 was his best year, but then he regressed in 2009, in my opinion. In 2008 he was coming off injury and wanted to let everyone know he was back. By the next year he was pouting and stuff, which bothered me and dropped him some.
I say they are equal, or Wade might have a slight edge, maybe, only because I like the way Kobe thinks through a game.
Also, we still haven’t seen Steve Nash, I wonder how high he will be listed particularly since he posted his worst numbers in any year in Phoenix last year.

But what I really want to know from Enigmatic is what he thinks about 2K12 so far. I haven’t purchased it yet, but I might this weekend.

Lake, que? So you pick stats that make Kobe look good and ignore the ones that don’t?
Also, Wade has shot above 49% 3 different times in his career (without Bron) and shot 50% last season. So…..there goes your “wade had his most efficient season due to playing next to Bron” logic. Try again.

NBK
Who else on the team was going to pass the ball?
Nah, I’m not saying he’s dunzo, i’m saying that when you look at his scoring numbers, he appears to be entering that same stage that John Stockton entered late in his career, where he could still run a team well, but was clearly diminished. Which makes his ranking somewhat curious.

Ricky Martin Rubio is on there? Aww sheeeeeeeeeeeeeit, I’m going to have to return it now.

I haven’t simulated any My Player games, do you still earn skill points when you do?

I want 2k so bad right now, but my ps3 is broke.. SMH

Enigmatic, what level do you play on? *HOF or Die*

I have no problem with 2k thinking Wade is better than Kobe. Video games are rarely realistic D-Wade has always been more effecient than Kobe. And NBK your right the extra shots is a big issue. I just don’t understand how shooting 4% less than someone and scoring similarly can equate to an extra 4 shots, but i’m not a math wiz so alright.

I understand that. It sounds terrible… You guys watch allot of basketball I know that, but I watch more Lakers than anyone (or as much as). Cause I don’t miss a minute. Numerous times through out the season Kobe would be talking to Pau going down the court telling him he’s going to give him the ball, and so Pau goes down to the low block best he can and tries to get position and can’t. He get pushed off the block and it’s an unsafe pass to make. Kobe looks around and everyone looks back at Kobe with a blank face like sh*t we thought you were gunna pass it to Pau and now we don’t have any sort of a play going. And Kobe just says F it as they are trying to scrap together a play to run for the last 10 secs of the shot clock and KB just goes ISO and just gets a shot off. Many times a stupid shot, but it goes in a decent amount also and they all just trot back on defense. The Lakers didn’t play very good team basketball last season, but I don’t attribute it all to Kobe like you guys do. I watch the games and I see these guys are just watching Kobe sometimes. I understand he has some blame for that also. Sometimes a dude is wide open and Kobe just takes the contested jumper, but that doesn’t make it okay to not be aggressive and still run plays all the way through the next time up the floor. This is partially Kobe and partially rest of the players faults. What this is getting at is I feel like Kobe puts up some dumb shots, but other times he just has to because he is the only one that is being aggressiveand the only one to be in any way interested or to have an advantage. Just my opine. Doesn’t really mean anything. Just something I took notice of especially last year.

This article portrays Joe Johnson as a great but inconsistent player. I think you got it backwards. Joe is very consistent; the problem is he is consistently just good, rarely if ever great. Of course that’s not necessarily a problem… unless you are paying him more money than anyone else in the league and you have no cap flexibility to improve your roster.