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Monday, October 14th, 2013 at 12:00 pm  |  245 responses

Top 50: Russell Westbrook, no. 12

OKC’s iron man is facing the biggest hurdle of his dynamic career.

by Eddie Maisonet, III / @edthesportsfan

Patrick Beverly still can’t show his face in the state of Oklahoma at all.

Such is life when you ruin the hopes and dreams of a franchise whose intentions are squarely focused on winning a Championship by barreling into the knee of Russell Westbrook. Diagnosed with a slight tear in the right meniscus, Westbrook would be sidelined on the type of athletic defensive play that he attempts on a nightly basis. Almost a cruel and ironic fate for the dynamo that is Westbrook.

But seriously, Patrick Beverly, you can’t show your face in the Sooner State ever again. (OK, besides actual games versus the Thunder, but that’s it.)

In a scant nine games, the machine that was the Oklahoma City Thunder was reduced to rubble as an already primitive offense was reduced to Kevin Durant playing hero ball night after night. The Thunder’s defense lacked a sense of aggression and confidence, and the roster as a whole looked lost as their instigator was chilling up in the luxury box eating popcorn and wearing funny looking shirts.

Westbrook comes in at No. 12 on this current iteration of the SLAM Top 50, but it’s not his true place in the pantheon of great players in the NBA. The SLAM writers voted Westbrook in at No. 5, but that torn meniscus along with missing time on the schedule means that Westbrook had to be knocked down the list. Missing time, or put another way, being accountable, is what the Thunder will miss most. Westbrook never misses a game (hasn’t since his high school days), he always gives maximum effort on every play and for a still-young team—these things help set the tone. They are the intangibles every coach would love to have in their players.

“Russell’s leadership and improvement on the defensive end, to me, have made him not only one of the top point guards but one of the top players in the game. And I love the fact that he just does it every night at a high level. He doesn’t make excuses. When he plays bad, he owns up to it; when he plays good, he’s not telling the whole world how good he is.” — Scott Brooks

Ultimately for the Thunder, this could prove to be beneficial to them in the long run. It gives Reggie Jackson a chance to develop as a floor leader and scorer on the big stage instead of being just the King of the Summer League. It gives Jeremy Lamb a real chance to handle some of the scoring load left behind. Serge Ibaka will actually have to learn and utilize an actual post move or two. Durant…well, he’s Durant, so yeah. There’s nothing really to say about that guy. That bum.

Oklahoma City’s going to struggle. There will be growing pains, and at times, folks will be wondering what the hell is Scott Brooks doing. Westbrook (along with Durant) was OKC’s “Get Out Of Jail Free” card in real life, except that they used that card 20-30 times a game. Brooks must get better without Westbrook, and if he can, he’ll make Westbrook better because of it. Because somehow he’s got to find a way to get easy shots and manufacture offense, and that’s when Westbrook’s burden can be lightened in his return.

“I feel like I haven’t done nothing yet. Until we get some Championships around here, I won’t feel like I’ve done something.” — Westbrook

Because when Westbrook returns…well, I have a feeling that one of the five-best basketball players in the world will return with a vengeance, and he’ll be looking forward to proving that he is officially back.

Where should Russell Westbrook rank in the SLAM Top 50?

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SLAMonline Top 50 Players 2013
Rank Player Team Position Pos. Rank
50 Monta Ellis Mavs SG 5
49 Luol Deng Bulls SF 10
48 Ricky Rubio TWolves PG 14
47 Greg Monroe Pistons PF 12
46 Kawhi Leonard Spurs SF 9
45 Mike Conley Grizzlies PG 13
44 Al Jefferson Bobcats C 9
43 David Lee Warriors PF 11
42 Jrue Holiday Pelicans PG 12
41 Anthony Davis Pelicans PF 10
40 Joe Johnson Nets SG 4
39 Serge Ibaka Thunder PF 9
38 Kevin Garnett Nets PF 8
37 Rudy Gay Raptors SF 8
36 Paul Pierce Nets SF 7
35 Ty Lawson Nuggets PG 11
34 Pau Gasol Lakers PF 7
33 Al Horford Hawks C 8
32 Andre Iguodala Warriors SF 6
31 Brook Lopez Nets C 7
30 Zach Randolph Grizzlies PF 6
29 DeMarcus Cousins Kings C 6
28 Damian Lillard Blazers PG 10
27 Josh Smith Hawks SF 5
26 Joakim Noah Bulls C 5
25 Roy Hibbert Pacers C 4
24 John Wall Wizards PG 9
23 Chris Bosh Heat C 3
22 Tim Duncan Spurs PF 5
21 Dirk Nowitzki Mavs PF 4
20 LaMarcus Aldridge Blazers PF 3
19 Rajon Rondo Celtics PG 8
18 Marc Gasol Grizzlies C 2
17 Blake Griffin Clippers PF 2
16 Deron Williams Nets PG 7
15 Kevin Love TWolves PF 1
14 Dwyane Wade Heat SG 3
13 Paul George Pacers SF 4
12 Russell Westbrook Thunder PG 6

Rankings are based on expected contribution in ’13-14—to players’ team, the League and the game.

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  • AddingVelocityDontTellMe

    I guess it makes sense if it’s the injury but westbrook is top 7 in the league.

  • LakeShow

    I wouldn’t put Steph, Melo, Harden all ahead of him. He plays better D than all of them and is a very talented scorer.

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    How good are you people under the impression Kobe will be? Or how healthy? That zero gravity treadmill has really fooled you guys that much?

  • 23

    Agreed. but the injury adds a question mark.

  • shockexchange

    Good write-up Ed. If Russell proves himself coming off his injury he should be in the Top 5 again, but he has to put the work in first. “Patrick Beverly Effect” – His recklessness will drop you 7 places in the rankings. SHH – “Shaking his head.”

  • LakeShow

    He’s already off that. He is working out for real now. There’s no reason to think KB won’t end the year with 60-70 games played, with statistics of 25-6-5 on 45%.

    The bigger question is why is RW, this low. He should be top 10 with or without off season surgery.

  • Slick Ric

    I guess Kobe isn’t on the list because I cant see him out performing the top 15.

  • LakeShow

    It’d be the first time in 15 years he hasn’t performed in the top 15. So looks like the SLAM guys are giving him the benefit of the doubt that he’ll get back from injury an perform at standard.

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    there isn’t? he’s not a 35 year old with a torn achilles?

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    when i read “no reason” i started belly laughing like a baby. so thanks for that.

  • spit hot fiyah

    “The SLAM writers voted Westbrook in at No. 5, but that torn meniscus along with missing time on the schedule means that Westbrook had to be knocked down the list.”

    please explain more. so was kobe originally ranked higher than westbrook but not knocked down as much for some reason for his injury?

  • Shifty

    He is a freak of nature.

    I just hate some of the decisions he makes on the court sometimes in critical situations.

  • Caboose

    Kobe. Ahead of Westbrook. With the same injury. Yup, someone, PLEASE, try to defend this.

  • LakeShow

    Kobe has always been better than Westbrook, Westbrook had the injury after KB, and his recovery is scheduled slightly ahead of RW.

    Westbrook relies on athleticism above all else.

    KB relies on skill-set above all else.

    You’re welcome.

  • TR

    Kobe too. You left off Kobe.

  • shockexchange

    Westbrook doesn’t have the same following that Horry Jr has, so Horry Jr is ranked higher. Beyonce has the beyhive, Chris Brown has “Team Breezy,” Rihanna has “Rihanna’s Navy,” Bieber has the “Belibers” and Horry Jr has million of followers struck by the “Horry Jr jones.”

  • LakeShow

    Is he an average athlete when it comes to injuries?

  • Shifty

    It’s blasphemy. How is Kobe projected to be more productive, be better in terms of stats at 35 in his what? 17th season ? Coming of a torn Achilles!? Ain’t nobody got time for that.

  • Caboose

    Westbrook had a better season last year.

    Above all else?

    I’ll give you that.

    For what?

  • Caboose

    Good luck with that. It’s LAKE SHOW.

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    if he was an average athlete his career would be OVER.
    .
    if he comes back at an NBA level, that is already freaking crazy. do you not know anything about torn achilles in guys this age?

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    in reality, a torn achilles takes 10 months to get over. not 8.
    .
    and Westbrook’s injury is very very minor.

  • davidR

    westbrook has the “he shoots too much and takes away from KD” turned “well, maybe KD really does need him” camp. but yea, still not up there yet in terms of face of the league. those horrible fits aren’t doing much to help either.

    still, i think 12 is a little low for him

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    i think that camp died when Durant got beat by Memphis 4-1

  • LakeShow

    Here let me help you again by taking off your biased goggles…

    Player A) 27 – 6 – 5.5 – 1.4 – .3 on 20.5 shots
    Player B) 23 – 7.5 – 5 – 1.8 – .3 on 19 shots

    Shocker… KB was player A… AKA – the better player!

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    no he wasn’t.

  • i_ball

    Well Kobe was on a team that sucked and played no defense (the team I mean)

  • shockexchange

    The “KD doesn’t need Westbrook” is silly. It’s like saying “KD can play 4-on-5.” KD doesn’t need Westbrook, but he does need to play with a highly-skilled PG, what OKC would have drafted had it not drafted Westbrook.

    Anyway, the debate is not whether Westbrook is better than Horry Jr, but whether Horry Jr should be ranked in the top 10 period.

  • Caboose

    It always amuses me how you only care about 5 stats.

  • LakeShow

    I know this is 2013, and things aren’t the same as yester-year.

    He’s got science on his side.

    I’m not saying I know i’m right, I just am pretty sure that he is going to play more than 60 games damn near to how he has the last 3 years.

  • LakeShow

    Basically your saying KD needs exceptionally more talent to do damage.

    Makes sense, that’s how basketball has always been.

  • davidR

    oh no doubt. people def recognize the importance of westbrook once okc got beat despite kd going nuts every game

  • LakeShow

    Go ahead and show me the difference in their win shares and PER, and defensive stats.
    I’m curious how much worse KB was, seriously, enlighten me please.

  • davidR

    i think he should be next, but i doubt it. i’m also wondering how high curry is gonna be

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    except Science at no point in history has given us a reason to believe a guy of Kobe’s age can return to the level he was before the injury. i’m not counting him out, but i’m sure not going to expect it. that’s just setting yourself up for disappointment. and arguing it, like you KNOW what is going to happen is basically stupid.

  • shockexchange

    No. The Shock Exchange isn’t saying that at all, but Horry Jr definitely needs it.

    Comparing Russell Westbrook to (i) Shaq in his prime or (ii) Pau Gasol / Andrew Bynum at the same ____ time in a league of 6’8″ centers is a new low, even for you Lake.

  • Dagger

    So let me get this straight:

    Westbrook is at #12 because of a torn meniscus.
    Wade is at #14 because of bone bruises that have had a summer to heal.
    Love is at #15 because of a broken hand suffered one year ago.

    But Kobe, although much older than those guys, is ranked higher despite suffering an injury that usually ends careers for older players? The same Kobe who was arguably already less productive than Wade or Westbrook last year? The same Kobe who isn’t even running yet?

    Look, I respect the hell out of Kobe and his work ethic. But this is getting a little silly.

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    lol, “a little”

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    LOL do you even consider the hypocrisy of defending Kobe as better after writing that comment or nah?

  • Dagger

    Yes. And this list is all about probability. How can we expect these players to perform next year?

    It’s possible that Kobe plays better than Westbrook this year! But it’s highly improbable given his age and injury. That’s no knock on Kobe, but it is another knock on this ranking.

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    he wasn’t a lot worse, it was marginal but he was definitely worse. all you had to do was watch both players without favoring one because you have his name tattooed on your heart.

  • Caboose

    Russ Defensive Rating: 103, Kobe: 107
    Russ win shares per 48: .195, Kobe: .174
    Russ Offensive Rating: 111, Kobe: 112
    Russ PER: 23.9, Kobe: 23.0

    Kobe wins in:
    Offensive Win Shares
    eFG%
    TS%
    Offensive Rating

    Russ wins in:
    Defensive Win Shares
    Total Win Shares (and per 48)
    Defensive Rating
    PER
    Total Rebound %
    Assist %
    TOV %
    Steal %

    With Russ playing 4 less minutes per game than Kobe. Who knew Westbrook’s MPG was under 35?

  • Caboose

    Tell you what, Kobe puts up better than 26-5-5 at over 44% FG, in over 60 games, and I will shut up about him until he retires.

  • Caboose

    Kobe’s gonna be better than Steph, Melo and Harden next year. OBVIOUSLY, YOU BIASED HATERRRR.

  • Dundler

    There is absolutely no way Melo is above this guy. Curry or Harden is a massive stretch too. And thats without mentioning Kobe

  • Caboose

    Stop saying 6’8 centers. Name one starter who the Lakers played in the Playoffs from 2008-2010 who was under 6’8.

  • Ugh

    These are good arguments.

  • SirGrey

    I’ve been really high on Kyrie since HS but you guys are like high.

  • Ugh

    6’6″ Chuck Hayes started all 82 of 82 possible games at centre for the Houston Rockets in 2010

    Actually, the Rockets missed the playoffs that year, so it doesn’t count. But.. Chuck Hayes!

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    yeah, he’s the only Center under 6’9″ to start in decades. And that was 3 years ago.

  • Dundler

    I wouldn’t have Kobe here yet, but there’s no way I’d have Westbrook this low. He’s never missed a game until now whatsoever, and had a relatively minor injury with a protective surgery. The only thing that should be worrying about Westbrook is the fact that as he’s never missed a game, how will he deal with rehab, being out of shape etc.

  • shockexchange

    Exactly, and the Shock Exchange knew he was shorter than the 6’8″ he was listed. And these guys on here tryna argue the wetness of water. C’mon son.

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    so it was a typo?
    .
    you meant,
    .
    ” in a league of *a 6’8″ center* is a new low, even for you Lake.”

  • guest

    LOL!

  • Ugh

    Dominique Wilkins tore his Achilles at the age of 32 and came back the next year to average 29.9ppg. He had a statistically better season at 33 with a repaired Achilles than he had the season before, in almost every category.

    You might say that Kobe has many more minutes and years under him than Dominique did, but he also has the benefit of twenty more years of medical technology to repair him. I wouldn’t be writing Kobe off just yet.

  • shockexchange

    Through rehab and medical advancements, Horry Jr will definitely be back. However, he’s no longer aligned with “exceptionally more talent than the rest of the L” and that’s why he’s overrated.

  • Caboose

    Lol.

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    35 is a lot different than 32. and i’m not writing him off, i’m doubting he comes back, specifically immediately, as something like a top 10 player.

  • Caboose

    I hope you know, we aren’t arguing that he won’t put up something like 25-5-5 at SOME POINT during the season. Like the last month, maybe. What we’re saying is, there’s an incredibly low chance that he does that right from the get go.

  • JohnWilkesPoop

    Yes 32 is different than 35 and medical capability in 2013 is different than 1992.

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    the human body on the other hand, is the exact same. unless Kobe is getting HGH, his achilles is still an achilles with 17 years of NBA miles on it.

  • LakeShow

    No he wasn’t definitely worse. That’s idiotic.

    You guys gave no facts as to why his season was more impressive than KB’s.

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    his stats weren’t empty. he gave 100% effort on both sides of the court. he was more efficient overall. he led a better offense. he led a better defense. he rebounded and passed better, despite being a point guard. the only thing Kobe did better than Westbrook was score.
    .
    surprise surprise, Lakeshow thinks the guy who scored better….played better.
    .
    very consistently you don’t value anything more than scoring when it comes to Kobe. But hey, you’ll criticize all these other guys for having empty stats. In fact, you are already saying Melo is overrated, who was better than Kobe at everything you value Kobe so highly for. just blatantly your personal feelings for Kobe cloud your judgment. whether you see/admit it or not.

  • JohnWilkesPoop

    I mean that’s a fair point. We’ll see, it’s all conjecture at this point anyways.

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    right, i’m aware i can be wrong, but let’s not act like the odds are in Kobe’s favor here. which is my whole point.

  • shockexchange

    Ha ha. The Shock Exchange hates to call anyone out but, how bout “In a league of Chuck Hayes”?

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    in a league *with* Chuck Hayes?
    .
    Chuck Hayes = .033% of all starting Centers in the NBA. Let’s not be stupid and project that as a “league of Chuck Hayes”

  • shockexchange

    Still sassin’ the Shock Exchange huh? Whether they started came off the bench, or played in 2010 v. 2009 isn’t the point. LA had two skilled 7 footers at the same ___ time, while other teams were suiting up 6’6″ centers. That represents “exceptionally more talent than the rest of the L.” You can go ahead an argue the wetness of water … as usual.

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    nope, only one team did that. you playing make believe with the past doesn’t do anything. i am not even arguing the point you are making (LA did have the most talent in the league), i’m arguing with you about using a dumb ass qualifier that negates what you are trying to say.
    .
    i don’t say the world is full of hunting dogs, even though a few dogs do hunt.
    .
    it’s no different. you should be able to understand that.

  • shockexchange

    nbk with the “hunting dog” analogy. You’ve just outshocked the Shock Exchange! *Welp*

  • Nick Holden

    Might as well just put Kobe in at number 1. Doesn’t matter anymore.

  • i_ball

    Based on the comments so far, including the last few players SLAM hit the jackpot traffic wise:
    1. The Kobe write up will probably hit 500 comments at least
    2. Every write until we get to Kobe will have an argument about Kobe being to high

    Good job SLAM!

  • LakeShow

    Their PER was the same. Their defensive rating is roughly the same when you look at the teams overall defensive rating and pace.

    The OKC offense was better because the Lakers didn’t have continuity, and had injuries to deal with all year.

    RW didn’t rebound better. He passed 1.5 more dimes a game over the season.

    KB was more efficient overall.

    I think KB had the better individual year, you think it was RW, neither of us have any numbers or videos that will make the other concede.

    Now back to finishing my heart tattoo…

  • Evan Boland

    You do realize he said he’d be playing if it were playoffs, right?

  • LakeShow

    BTW, Obviously RW was way better defensively, i’m just saying that according to the numbers they weren’t much different.

  • vINSANITY

    So Tony is better?

  • Caboose

    Shock, I’ve taken the liberty of compiling a list of all centers who averaged more than 15 mpg from 2007-08 – 2009-2010.

    –Atlanta Hawks–
    Al Horford 6’10
    Zaza Pachulia 6’11

    –Boston Celtics–
    Kendrick Perkins 6’10
    Glen Davis 6’9
    Mikki Moore 6’11
    Rasheed Wallace 6’10

    –Brooklyn Nets–
    Nenad Kristic 7’0
    Sean Williams 6’10
    Jason Collins 7’0
    Brook Lopez 7’0

    –Charlotte Bobcats–
    Emeka Okafor 6’10
    Primoz Brezec 7’2
    Desagana Diop 7’0
    Tyson Chandler 7’1
    Theo Ratliff 6’10

    –Chicago Bulls–
    Joakim Noah 6’11
    Ben Wallace 6’9
    Brad Miller 6’11

    –Cleveland Cavaliers–
    Z Ilgauskas 7’2
    Ben Wallace 6’9
    Anderson Varejao 6’10
    Shaquille O’Neal 7’1

    –Dallas Mavericks–
    Erick Dampier 6’11
    Brendan Haywood 7’0

    –Denver Nuggets–
    Marcus Camby 6’11
    Nene 6’11
    Chris Andersen 6’10

    –Detroit Pistons–
    Rasheed Wallace 6’10
    Jason Maxiell 6’7
    Kwame Brown 6’11
    Ben Wallace 6’9

    –GS Warriors–
    Andris Biedrins 6’11
    Ronny Turiaf 6’10

    –Houston Rockets–
    Yao Ming 7’6
    D Mutombo 7’2
    Chuck Hayes 6’6
    Jordan Hill 6’10

    –Indiana Pacers–
    Jermaine O’Neal 6’11
    Jeff Foster 6’11
    Roy Hibbert 7’2

    –LA Clippers–
    Chris Kaman 7’0
    Josh Powell 6’9
    DeAndre Jordan 6’10

    –Memphis Grizzlies–
    Pau Gasol 7’0
    Darko Milicic 7’0
    Marc Gasol 7’1

    –Miami Heat–
    Zo Mourning 6’10
    Jermaine O’Neal 6’11

    –Milwaukee Bucks–
    Andrew Bogut 7’0
    Francisco Elson 7’0
    Kurt Thomas 6’9

    –Minnesota Timberwolves–
    Al Jefferson 6’10
    Kevin Love 6’10

    –New Orleans Hornets–
    Tyson Chandler 7’1
    Emeka Okafor 6’10
    Darius Songaila 6’9

    –New York Knicks–
    Eddy Curry 7’0
    Zach Randolph 6’9
    David Lee 6’9

    –OKC Thunder–
    Kurt Thomas 6’9
    Johan Petro 7’0
    Nick Collison 6’9
    Etan Thomas 6’9

    –Orlando Magic–
    Dwight Howard 6’11
    Marcin Gortat 6’11
    Tony Battie 6’11

    –Philadelphia 76ers–
    Sammy Dalembert 6’11
    Mareese Speights 6’10

    –Phoenix Suns–
    Shaquille O’Neal 7’1
    A Stoudemire 6’10
    Robin Lopez 7’0

    –Portland TrailBlazers–
    Joel Pryzbilla 7’1
    Channing Frye 6’10
    Greg Oden 7’0

    –Sacramento Kings–
    Spencer Hawes 7’0
    Brad Miller 6’11
    Jason Thompson 6’11

    –San Antonio Spurs–
    Tim Duncan 6’11
    Fabricio Oberto 6’10
    DeJuan Blair 6’7

    –Toronto Raptors–
    Chris Bosh 6’10
    Rasho Nesterovic 7’0
    Andrea Bargnani 7’0
    Amir Johnson 6’9

    –Utah Jazz–
    Mehmet Okur 6’11
    Carlos Boozer 6’9

    –Washington Wizards–
    Brendan Haywood 7’0
    Andray Blatche 6’11
    Javale McGee 7’0

    So, there are 3 centers under 6’8 who played significant minutes in that time frame: Chuck Hayes, Jason Maxiell, and DeJuan Blair.

  • Caboose

    So when do we start the conspiracy that SLAM makes controversial rankings on purpose to generate more traffic and comments?

  • Caboose

    If what I posted doesn’t shut him up, nothing will.

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    That must have been exhausting

  • Caboose

    It’ll be worth it for the reaction.

  • shockexchange

    You’ve actually made the Shock Exchange’s point even further Caboose. The fact that you have to lobby nbk – “Please agree with me … Please” – only makes it worse. When you know what you’re talking about, you don’t have to beg anybody for a co-sign.

  • Caboose

    No see, that’s me talking to a friend. Did I lobby him to do anything? Am I making an argument? Nope. I presented a list of facts. I’ll let you interpret it, because I will not argue with you.

  • Caboose

    3/89 total centers from 2007-2010 were under 6’8. That’s 3.4%.

  • shockexchange

    Okay, so now the data’s out there. You’ve only emboldened the Shock Exchange’s point. Still not sure why “a league of 6’8″ centers” gets everybody’s dander up. It sorta is what it is.

  • Caboose

    Shock, please go read the data and tell me what you glean from it. Like, what does the data say?

  • Caboose

    Just out of curiosity, how qualified are you in sports medicine?

  • LakeShow

    Probably not.

    Don’t forget, the Shock Exchange has only lost 1 basketball debate EVER… lol

  • shockexchange

    And ever taking that L in Indiana, the Shock Exchange promised never to lose another basketball argument. And by golly, he has kept his promise.

  • LakeShow

    If you consider spewing falsities, being proved wrong, and yet still not admitting to when you’re wrong “winning an argument” then yes, you’re undefeated.

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    Jason Maxiell is not a Center. Just because he played some minutes there doesn’t make him a Center lol
    .
    and Dejuan Blair has never even played Center in reality. i mean i understand the box score said Center, but he wasn’t actually playing that position. Tim Duncan does not play anything but Center in San Antonio. I refuse to budge on this.

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    you won’t get one. that’s SE’s thing

  • Caboose

    (I know, it was just to appease Shock)

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    *lalalalalalalalalalalalaalala*

  • Dundler

    I’d say so

  • shockexchange

    Okay. You’ve presented some analysis, so what’s your point? It’s your
    job to tell SE what it means. Presenting analysis is only half the
    battle. SE has never minced words
    on this thread or on previous threads. If you have a point then spit it out, because the Shock Exchange isn’t going to argue your point for you.

  • Ugh

    Gold, Lakeshow. Gold.

  • shockexchange

    How did you prove the Shock Exchange wrong? You got owned on this thread, as usual. You and your cohorts presented some analysis but you never showed how it refutes anything SE said.

    Getting hyped like Flavor Flav screaming, “Yeah boyyy!” and bigging each other up doesn’t cut it.

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    you do realized not everything everyone says should be taken literally……right?

  • Dundler

    I’ve generally been pretty low on Westbrook. Didn’t like the turnovers or the shot selection, always seemed like he could have been much better if only for his decision making. Case in point, the early game last season against the Spurs where Parker hits a midrange game winner. Westbrook was an absolute disaster on defence on that possesion.
    In my mind, he’s not a true PG. That doesn’t mean he’s not an excellent, excellent player though. Just different. His athleticism, aggressiveness, pure talent. There are few as multi-dimensional as him. At this point, I might take him over Rose. Its just frustrating to see turnovers and stupid shots, but his worth has been proven.

  • Ugh

    I openly admit I’m a bit of a Kobe Hater (nothing like I am with LeBron, though), but Kobe and KG are pushing the envelope for career minutes played from a very early NBA age. Hondo and Cap played ENORMOUS career minutes, but started the 82 game season at 22 years old.

    So what I’m saying is with Kobe (and KG) we’re witnessing new wonders of sports medicine, live.

    And my Dominique point was that everyone said that tearing your Achilles at 32 was the end of your career in the early nineties.
    So if I was a betting man I’d certainly put a wager on Kobe having as good a year this year as last.

  • Caboose

    Ok, Ralph.
    Based on my analysis, there were 89 centers in the L who played significant (read: >15 minutes per game) over the critical 3 year period in which the LA Lakers were arguably the best team in the league.

    Of those 89, only 3 (Jason Maxiell, DeJuan Blair, and Chuck Hayes) were listed at heights of 6’8 or less. The remaining 86, therefore, were 6’9 or above. This created a median height of 6’11 and a mean height of 6’10.8.

    What this means is, according to 2 different methods of calculating an average (mean and median), it would be fair to consider the true height of an average NBA center from 2007-2010 to be 6’10 or 6’11.

    This analysis directly contradicts your statement which says that the L at the time of the Lakers’ dominance was “a time of 6’6 centers.” From your statement, it can be inferred exceptionally clearly that you believe that the average height, or at least, a common height, of NBA centers was 6’6. As mentioned, this is not the case, as evidenced by the two averages calculated earlier.

    Any error in this analysis could come from whom Basketball Reference listed as C. However, as they are the leading statisticians for the NBA, I defer to their judgment above all else. Additional error could possibly arise from a misinterpretation of the opposing party (shockexchange, aka Ralph Baker). It is at this point, that the speaking party (Caboose) will extend to the opposing party an opportunity to amend or elaborate upon their initial claim.

  • shockexchange

    Picking your own facts again Caboose. The Shock Exchange never said the average height was 6’6″. He only said that Pau Gasol / Andrew Bynum at the same ____ time, two skilled 7 footers at the same ____ time, gave the Lakers “exceptionally more talent than the rest of the L.”

    Even your friend nbk doesn’t refute it, as he admitted here:

    > “nope, only one team did that. you playing make believe with the past doesn’t do anything. i am not even arguing the point you are making (LA did have the most talent in the league) …” <

    If you think your data refutes that point then more power to you. In fact, you've emboldened the Shock Exchange's position.

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    well, we have to consider that the “stupid shots” are partly by design. i mean, the contested long 2′s with 19 seconds on the shot clock aren’t, but for the most part, quick, “take a shot if it’s high %” decisions are good for OKC.
    —- this is my one and only compliment of Scott Brooks’ offense, so let me live a little, he let’s Russell Westbrook control the pace of the game by allowing him to play his brand of point guard. without forcing Thabo to take rushed 3′s or forcing the ball into their very unequipped to do anything creative bigs to try and get a quick bucket, they let Russ just rush his way down the court and take advantage of his fearless tendency to think he can score on anyone at anytime. which i also think Kevin Durant really really likes, it allows him to pick his spots, and be efficient. Someone with so much focus on where he ranks all-time, efficiency is a big deal with him.

    in essence, part of what makes people so angry about Russell Westbrook, is very clearly a necessary evil that heavily heavily benefits the Thunder as a whole. It’s like a selfish sacrifice. One of you writers need to write an article about this.

  • Caboose

    I quote this, posted by the Shock Exchange on this thread: “a league of 6’8″ centers”

    Caboose would like to amend his previous statement and acknowledge a mistake: Shock Exchange implied that 6’8 was the dominant or common height for centers, not the 6’6 as mentioned before.

    Caboose would like to whole-heartedly agree that having Andrew Bynum and Pau Gasol did give the Lakers “exceptionally more talent thant he rest of the L.” This is because of their skill and dominance on the court.

    Caboose believes Shock Exchange is making a fallacy of false causation. It was not simply the heights of the Lakers’ big men that allowed them to dominate; they were simply better than the rest of the L.

    Furthermore, it was not a “league of 6’8 centers.” I refer you to the previous analysis, wherein the average height of centers is close to 6’11, not 6’8.

  • shockexchange

    Picking your own facts again Caboose? How does “Pau Gasol / Andrew Bynum at the same ____ time, two skilled 7 footers at the same ____ time” imply they were dominant only because of their height? It actually says clearly they were dominant because they were both big and skilled … at the same ____ time.

  • Caboose

    Caboose finds that Shock Exchange is deviating from the conversation at hand.

    Acknowledged: Bynum and Gasol dominated because of talent.

    Shock Exchange clearly indicated that he found the L to be “a league of 6’8 centers.” What does this statement mean? Such an explanation is paramount to our understanding.

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    yeah, if he gives himself proper time to recover. It still took Dominique 9 months to recover. And it is what killed Isiah Thomas’ career, so i mean Dominique may be like Adrian Peterson in this respect, we really don’t know.

    http://www.peachtreehoops.com/2013/4/15/4224556/dominique-wilkins-kobe-bryant-achilles-injury

    it still doesn’t make much sense to count on Kobe having a full season of top 10 basketball though. i mean, sure let’s count on him recovering to that point eventually, maybe…..i mean i don’t but i wouldn’t blame you. but for THIS season? i mean, at the earliest he should be back by Christmas. if he comes back sooner, i am going to be terrified of him re-rupturing it, (i have multiple friends/people i used to hoop with who ruptured the same achilles more than once). Admittedly, that is also weighing on my faith in Kobe returning to prime form at 35, but i don’t really blame myself.

  • shockexchange

    Think about it. The answer is right in front of you.

  • Caboose

    Caboose quotes the Shock Exchange, replacing “SE” for “Caboose” at relevant points.

    “Okay. You’ve presented some analysis, so what’s your point? It’s your job to tell Caboose what it means. Presenting analysis is only half the battle. Caboose has never minced words on this thread or on previous threads. If you have a point then spit it out, because Caboose isn’t going to argue your point for you.”

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    no, the PER was not the same.

    roughly the same defensive rating? 103 is top 5 in the league, 107 is good for 20th…..the Oklahoma City Thunder had a team defensive rating of 102.6 ranked 4th in the league, compared to LA who had a 106.6 ranked 20th. that’s not a small difference.

    RW didn’t rebound better? silly silly girl, he played 4 less minutes. he did rebound better, he just didn’t play as much. that’s why his rebounds per 36 minutes are higher, as well as his rebound %

    KB was less efficient. He was more efficient shooting. But he turned the ball over 1 more time a game. Assisted less, rebounded less, and played worse defense. He was less efficient. if you understand the meaning of the word.

    you can think whatever you want, doesn’t mean you have a logical reason to do so.

  • Caboose
  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    ouch,

    “The author, while trying to appear insightful and revolutionary, actually appears arrogant, and even crass. Mr. Baker’s knowledge of his subject matter is fleeting at best, and pulls controversial and “shocking” conclusions out of little more than his imagination. Even the closest critical reader would possess the ability to see through the “analysis.”
    This book belongs amongst the pile of other “literature” that attempts to pass itself off for genius, but instead sounds like an 8th grader’s musings on astrophysics; the author is simply under-qualified and over-confident in his abilities and knowledge.”

  • Caboose

    WOW, who would do that?????

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    Josh Johnson? idk what you mean. sounds like he read it, and gave his opinion. which sounds exactly like his basketball opinion. i can’t say i’m surprised if it is real.

  • Caboose

    Lol, ouch.

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    <– confused.

  • Caboose

    As in that’s a harsh review. And pretty funny.

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    why’d you say guess take a random guess who posted that? i mean, i thought you were about to say it was you or something

  • Caboose

    But I’d never say it was me…

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    man, don’t do that unless you actually read it. that’s too low a level of trolling, it might be the guys livelihood to sell that book…..unless you read it, then i understand :/

  • Caboose

    I read the Amazon preview. I suppose it is too harsh. Down it goes.

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    don’t write a review about a book from the preview. as sure as i am that it’s right, come on fam.

  • JohnWilkesPoop

    How qualified are you in anything that you discuss? What are your credentials to post 2752 comments? Is your avatar picture the character from Halo (which begs the follow up question of are you between the ages of 14-18)? Why are you, being the waste of space that you are, questioning anyone on anything?

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    why you go by Josh Johnson? you go by multiple identities lol

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    yes….they were.

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    that is a fact. not a conspiracy.

  • Caboose

    Age 21.

    Yes, the picture is from Halo, but more specifically, both the picture and my username are derived from Red vs Blue, an online machinima series.

    Public Health student, UC Berkeley, taken classes in anatomy and medicine, meaning I am more qualified than the average commenter when it comes to sports medicine.

    I grew up watching basketball and have a strong background in statistics and in playing the sport itself. I think this gives me a natural ability to see the game better than the average NBA fan.

    I question anyone who I believe is speaking without grounding. Which is why I was clarifying.

    Good enough answer for you, d!ck bag?

  • JohnWilkesPoop

    As I stated previously-you are a waste of space. Whatever faults you might find with ShockExchange, Ralph Baker as a man put an honest effort into something and you went in under false pretenses with the intention of sabotaging his work without having actually read it.

    Seriously, you suck as a person. No wonder you live though technology rather than as a real person.

  • Caboose

    Twas a joke man, I took the thing down.

  • ballislife

    I agree with you on this actually. Kobe in the top ten is questionable at this point. Only time will tell how these rankings will translate into actual season performance.

  • Caboose

    Lol idk, I was gonna show it to SE and take it down anyways. Thought it’d be funny as a joke, but yeah, it was mean.

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    oh well it’s down, nbd.

  • JohnWilkesPoop

    To you it was a joke. But to him it’s real life. Maybe if you would put down the video game controller and get off of your computer you would learn empathy.

    But at least your class in anatomy makes you qualified to post about medical topics on discussion boards. You still have that to fall back on.

  • Caboose

    Seeing as he posted a fake (and illegal) promotion from Kobe Bryant for his book, I hardly value the integrity of his work.

  • LakeShow

    Exactly. LA’s defense was much worse therefore a worse defensive rtg for Bryant.

    Yes, a 23.1 and 23.9 PER is the same. If you want to say otherwise i’d like to hear what really is the difference in 0.8 PER points.

    You accidentally were a male chauvinist. Feel free to apologize to the women on this website. Or not… dickhead…

    Is Reggie Evans a better rebounder than Dwight Howard? That’s your argument for why RW is a better rebounder than KB.

    I don’t know how 0.4 TO’s more is a full TO in your world, but I don’t understand allot about your world.

    Feel free to think what you want and call people names when they don’t agree, seems like a positive life code.

  • Caboose

    Prediction for the remainder of SLAM’s rankings:
    11. Stephen Curry
    10. Tony Parker
    9. Carmelo Anthony
    8. Kyrie Irving
    7. Derrick Rose
    6. Dwight Howard
    5. James Harden
    4. Kobe Bryant
    3. Chris Paul
    2. Kevin Durant
    1. LeBron James

  • JohnWilkesPoop

    I’m sure you’re not a bad person, that was just a sh*tty thing to do and you know it.

  • Saleem Rainman

    i doubt they put Kyrie ahead of Tony Parker.

  • Caboose

    Yeah, I did. I deleted it as soon as I posted it. Even as a joke, that was over the line. Shock, if you’re reading this, sorry man. Sometimes jokes go too far.

  • Caboose

    I hope they don’t…

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    lol because i called you a silly girl i’m an accidental male chauvinist? wow, do you have to wear some woman’s panties to be that sensitive? (oh no! i did it again!)

    it’s Westbrooks superior rebounding/assist/defensive #’s/less turnovers. PER is player efficiency rating for a eason…..

    uhm, yes? if only rebounding mattered, Reggie Evans would be better than Dwight Howard, because he’s a better rebounder…but then there is defense and offense and not fouling people…….so he’s not.

    you still don’t understand that Kobe played 4 more minutes? i mean that would be a positive if it meant he did more to help his team win, but he just stood there on defense so it’s not like 38 minutes of Kobe on one side of the court helps anyone more than 34 minutes of Westbrook on both sides.

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    hey wait, are the caboose from red v blue or just got your name from there?

  • Caboose

    Caboose is one of the lead characters from Red vs Blue, that’s where the name comes from.

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    i know my little cousin was watching it once when i was at his house i sat in for a little bit, that’s why i asked if that was actually you.

  • Caboose

    Oh haha, no, that’s Joel Heyman. I did some work for them at their convention, but no, I’m not affiliated with those guys.

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    fa sho, i didn’t think so, but thought i’d ask.

  • Caboose

    And nbk? Where’d that name come from?

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    it was a nickname the old guys were calling me at the gym at the time, also i was a bit of an egomaniac.

  • Caboose

    Lol got it.

  • LakeShow

    Seriously you’re being a male chauvinist. If you want to continue to receive respect, you should re-think your stance on women. It’s like being a homo-phobe, or racist. You might want to re-examine your thoughts little buddy.

    Their PER’s are virtually identical. Nothing worth noting.

    Sure Westbrook was better at rebounding on a per minute basis. But just like Evans he didn’t play enough minutes to out rebound KB. KB had the superior rebounding averages. I’ll call it even on the boards to make you feel all good inside though.

    It’s jokes like “he just stood there on defense” that will make me continue to defend KB’s bad defense(even though I don’t want to). He was still above average at the SG position defensively.

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    now that i think of it they thought i looked like a young Woody Harrelson (because i have a shaved head and i’m white, smh) and couldn’t remember his name in WMCJ (Billy Hoyle, but i didn’t want to tell them). Then i hit a few game winners so they went with nbk lol. i was 19 and loved the idea of being that on the court. it was also the height of my Kobe Bryant fandom so in my own irrational way that was my version of acting like him on a court.

  • Caboose

    Haha that’s actually a pretty cool story

  • Caboose

    Woah woah, let’s be careful throwing around sh!t like chauvinist…

    And Kobe wasn’t the WORST SG on defense, but he definitely wasn’t “above average.”

  • Caboose

    lol

  • danpowers

    dude let it go, he was. at least all evidence points it out. sometimes its just time to let go…

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    lol
    “showing or relating to excessive or prejudiced loyalty or support for a particular group or cause..”

    – yep, calling you silly and sensitive sure does that. LOL

    you are really sensitive. whether i put woman in there or not, you are extremely sensitive. it’s kind of sad. like a little child
    .
    oh no! now i’m a chauvinist towards children!
    .
    There PERs are not identical. just saying that because you have nothing to use to support your case doesn’t mean it is actually rational. you can say basically if you want but that doesn’t make it true. is 99 identical to 98? if someone asked you for 99 dollars and you gave them 98 would you say, “don’t worry about it, it’s basically the same” because .8 of 20 is a bigger % then that.

    Kobe’s defense was terrible. I’ve already showed you multiple articles with statistical and video evidence showing so. he had a few good games, but as a whole he was a total disaster. specifically off-the-ball. whether you want to argue it because i made an exaggeration or not.

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    he is a sensitive little child…..

    (CHILD CHAUVINISM what an asshole)

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    i really really thought so back then. since then it’s complicated. i don’t like it as much when i’m not playing, but i do have irrational confidence in a gym, and feel like what nbk stands for lol, (the difference is, now i know it’s irrational).

  • Caboose

    Meh, just keep it. It’s a reminder of good times.

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    well here i’m not going to change it. it doesn’t even have a meaning here, but that’s what my “identity” is..so to speak, so it won’t be leaving.
    .
    disqus wouldn’t have let me use this if SLAM didn’t grandfather me in, anyway. so there is that too.

  • Caboose

    Yo Shock, my apologies, I posted a negative review on your book as a joke with the intention to immediately delete it. It was up for approximately 2 minutes, and was promptly taken down. What I did was wrong and over the line, and I’m sorry. Whatever harsh discussions we have here do not justify mean jokes such as that.

  • LakeShow

    Majority of publications and actual NBA players are on my side.

    I feel pretty comfortable to not let go, but thanks for the advice.

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    majority of publications like readers more than honesty. but awesome to know that’s who helps you form your opinion.

  • LakeShow

    I think it was well displayed here who is most child-like.

    Next time call me “sensitive” or an “ass-hole”.

    I don’t care tiny Tim.

    But please don’t use “women” as a negative name to call someone, seriously, it’s distasteful.

  • Caboose

    Case in point: this list.

  • LakeShow

    What word should I be careful throwing out?

    It’s naughty to call someone who is negatively using the female species to assert their POV a chauvinist now?

    The word that describes people who should actually be careful about how they think of women is a distasteful word?
    … i’m confused…

    LOL, I know your a big fan of nbk, but slow your jerk man… He’s the one that is actually being a chauvinist so take your pitch fork and chase him.

    KB was above average. I looked at the defensive rtg’s of the other SG’s.

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    man you are an idiot.

  • LakeShow

    Yes, I am the one that is child-like… lol

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    it’s no different. silly little child.

  • LakeShow

    Thank you, you very adult like behaving man.

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    just wondering, did you say Tiny Tim to be negative? what was the purpose of that?

  • BugEyes

    they said he was top 5 bit they took his injury into account, so basically there saying he is better then themm

  • LakeShow

    I didn’t say it formed my opinion did I?

    Adult’s are usually able to read discerningly…

  • davidR
  • LakeShow

    No, i’m just larger than you.

    Plus the Dicken’s character of tiny Tim is such a likable lil fella… just like you.

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    never said that. talk about being able to read.
    .
    awesome to know that’s who helps you form your opinion.

    .
    i guess i should have said, “justify” but still, you sure are sensitive.

  • davidR

    nah man, if this guy can return to the job, i’m sure kobe will have no issues http://bleacherreport.com/articles/1809486-baltimore-ravens-photographer-tears-achilles-returns-to-field-in-boot

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    you are larger than me? how do you know who i am? and why would you say that last part? is lying something someone so worried about respect does? seems like you are lashing out because i hit you in your sensitive spot.

    *Kobe Bryant* if you thought i was being chauvinistic again.

  • Info_Wrestling
  • LakeShow

    Name one thing I’ve been sensitive about today?

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

  • Caboose

    After re-reading it, yeah, I actually kinda am on your side…it seems like nbk did use “silly girl” as an insult…

    Granted, I wouldn’t take it too personally or go around calling him a chauvinist for that, but you’re right, it wasn’t cool.

    Starting SG’s with better DRTG than Kobe:

    Iman Shumpert
    Avery Bradley
    Evan Turner
    Paul George
    Kirk Hinrich
    Monta Ellis (?!)
    Dwyane Wade
    Kyle Korver
    Bradley Beal
    Thabo Seflosha
    Andre Iguodala
    Klay Thompson
    Danny Green
    Tony Allen
    James Harden

    I count 15. Making him JUST below average :)

  • Info_Wrestling
  • LakeShow

    You’re getting sensitive man, calm down.

  • Caboose

    @disqus_j65FuvcSML:disqus
    Children, please. Calm down.

  • LakeShow

    Exactly, you can’t, continue to laugh hysterically, while I retain my dignity.

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    no i was seriously asking….if you found out who i am i would like to know, so that i can make sure the people who i don’t want knowing who i am can’t. like those dudes who kept asking for my personal information last week.
    .
    the tiny tim thing is me trolling you about your little double standard. which you apparently didn’t catch.

  • K_HOLIDAY

    Now I’ve kept my mouth closed about a lot of these rankings, but am I the only one that noticed how bad OKC was without this guy in the playoffs? I think he’s a top 10 player in the league. You can’t teach what he brings to the table on both ends of the floor.

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    Lol you can think whatever you want

  • LakeShow

    “Tiny Tim” isn’t offensive to half the planet. That’s why I said call me an ass-hole. Not a woman. I felt using females as a name call was offensive, and I think most women would too.

    No, I have no access to anything about you personally. I also have never tried to look up anything, and I am not on any sort of social network, so i’m not your best bet to find out if your life is still kept personal. I just said I was larger, cause i’m larger than 90% of the planet, so I figured it was a good bet i’m larger than you too.

    — now back to hating each other —

  • LakeShow

    waiting for evidence…..

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    Read the comments. Or you’ll be waiting forever. I’m going to hang out with two silly girls. Who I like devoting attention to a lot more than sensitive big men. #chauvinism and all that.

  • LakeShow

    I’ve read them all…

    Funny you have all the time in the world… until someone calls you out… can’t just do a quick copy paste here… ?

    ….G’Night tiny Tim.

  • LakeShow

    I respect that you compiled this list.

    KB is better than Brad Beal, Kyle Korver, Evan Turner, and James Harden on D so i’d put him slightly above average haha.

    He sucks on D, my point is, don’t make him worse than his sh*tty self already is haha,

  • Caboose

    Fair.

    …..what the hell just happened?

  • LakeShow

    I can honestly say I’ve been more than calm all day, I don’t even know what I would be upset about… I dunno what got into Timmy tho…

  • LakeShow

    Rahhspect for seeing the error of your ways man.

    It’s hard when there’s someone as annoying and the liar that Shock is, but you, in the end, did the right thing, good on you.

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    What if I was a really tiny guy named Tim with a complex about my size? That would make you a real dickbag.
    .
    The point is, sure what I said was maybe offensive if you want to take it that way. I was joking, and wasn’t insulting you at all, I was just pointing out that you weren’t look at the full line of stats. You could have just said you don’t think that’s necessary rather than jumping to an extreme and calling me a chauvinist. That jumping to conclusions sh*t really seems like a defense mechanism because you were getting upset. Silly little girl is hardly the most offensive thing said around here

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    What if I was a really tiny guy named Tim with a complex about my size? That would make you a real dickbag.
    .
    The point is, sure what I said was maybe offensive if you want to take it that way. I was joking, and wasn’t insulting you at all, I was just pointing out that you weren’t look at the full line of stats. You could have just said you don’t think that’s necessary rather than jumping to an extreme and calling me a chauvinist. That jumping to conclusions sh*t really seems like a defense mechanism because you were getting upset. Silly little girl is hardly the most offensive thing said around here

  • Caboose

    Much appreciated. I hope Shock feels the same.

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    Just look where I called you sensitive (aka where you throw out a defensive back handed comment because you are upset about something else said somewhere else). Or look where your focus devolves from basketball to things you normally ignore until the basketball part falls by the wayside. But hey, if fighting against marginally prejudice comments is your new schtick, I apologize. There will be many more instances, hope you stay consistent, not just lash out about it when it suits your position, like so conveniently happened today.

  • LakeShow

    No it wouldn’t make me a dickbag.

    It would make “Tim” overly sensitive.

    I think you’ve confused me with someone else. I haven’t been upset or emotional at all…

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    And by the way, I comment from e-mail for the most part at home. Typing a paragraph takes less than a minute. So, hate to break it to you, but my time at home is not spent perusing slam

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    Lol ok buddy

  • LakeShow

    That was you man.

    You were the one that was name calling.

    You just incriminated yourself as the one who’s focus devolved due to getting too emotional.

    Try to keep it basketball related if possible for now on.

  • LakeShow

    Glad, you’re starting to get it lil fella.

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    lol “you were the one name calling”
    ok? and I was talking about what?
    you could have just said, “that’s inappropriate” or please don’t do that.
    you resorted to the “insult you back” until eventually you leave out the basketball part altogether method…..
    right, “incriminate” myself….because I give a sh*t how anyone perceives this conversation?

  • King David

    Westbrook > Harden

  • King David

    Westbrook > Durant

  • Caboose

    Just stop. Both of you, please. It’s painful to read.

    “Why are you even reading Caboose?”

    I don’t know.

  • Caboose

    Lol.

  • AndyK415

    Dominique did have to change his game a little though. He never did look quite the same.

  • danpowers

    show me the publications about this past season stating that bryant played better overall than westbrook. i would like to get convinced of the opposite, because so far i obsorved a different perception. at least recently. e.g. sports illustrated top 100 ranking has westbrook at 5 and kobe at 9.

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    Lol don’t you have studying to do?

  • Caboose

    Midterms (round 1) are over man! I get a good couple weeks to chill (kinda).

  • LakeShow

    You’re poop.

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    Ah so that’s fair, carry on…or better yet, play some GTA or Diablo. That’s what I would do.

  • Caboose

    Especially since 2k14 is kinda a letdown….it’s 2k13 without a good jump stop mechanic.

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    thats why I said, new console got all the attention. Unless you are doing the upgrade plan, don’t buy it. But idk if I said that on slam lol

  • Caboose

    Too late. I’m a sheep.

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    Did you at least get it at gamestop? Since I assume by the halo that you are all Xbox for life

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    We prefer, “fertilizer”

  • Caboose

    Yeah, Gamestop. I’m honestly not much of a gamer, I just happen to have a 360. I do more PC gaming than anything else.

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    Ah well that does suck

  • danpowers

    ok we got the joke. could we please get to see the real slam top 50 after this farce is done?

  • The Fury

    They already put Kyrie ahead of Russ, so I doubt they’ll do the same with Parker (dang, I’d be really pissed if that happens..lol).

  • w

    pushing it

    kobe wasnt near the top 15 in 1998 or 1999

  • w

    lol at kyrie irving being better than anyone in the top 15

    hes a top 20 player at best

    id take anthony davis over him too

  • Evan Boland

    ‘Melo was the only starter on a 50 plus win second round team. That’s saying something.

  • Evan Boland

    It always amuses me how you only care about stats.

  • Evan Boland

    Which I did.

  • Evan Boland

    The majority of everybody picks Kobe over Westbrook, buddy. I want some of what you’re smoking if you think otherwise.

  • Evan Boland

    Best one is still 2K11.

  • danpowers

    your oppinion hardly ever makes sense on anything, so i’ll take that as evidence for being right about this two guys ;)

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  • kadavour

    amen on the Duncan point. random and unrelated (kinda) what does nbk mean again?

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    did you read the little story in here? it’s actually in this comment section.

  • LakeShow

    Dude sorry, 14 years….

  • Vanilla Swirl

    Coming from the Wade dickrider who thinks Wade is a top 5 player hahahah just stfu

  • Dundler

    I agree completely. As I said, his aggressiveness is such a weapon for him and the Thunder, he just sometimes uses it in the wrong way (the contested early 2′s). But I think his decision making is getting better, and although I do notice he does get lost on defensive positions sometimes, getting through screens and such, thats also on the way up.
    I’d put him, at the very least, top 7

  • Dundler

    Melo got lucky in my opinion. His Knicks found a good system for a year and dragged into a second round, something I doubt will repeat this season. I honestly can’t stand Melo. His shooting is otherworldly, but his playmaking, leadership skills, committment to defence…no, he’s still the guy of the Melodrama to me

  • Max

    lmao

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