Sunday, October 9th, 2011 at 11:00 am  |  174 responses

Top 50: Steve Nash, no. 20

The definitive ranking of the NBA’s best players.

by Ben York / @bjyork

I pride myself on being ignorant (and by ‘ignorant’ I mean ‘apathetic’) in many facets of life, but after nearly 30 years on this planet there are three things I’m downright sure of:

1. Human beings need food, water and shelter to survive.
2. The Earth is round. Trust me; I’ve seen pictures.
3. When you mention the name Steve Nash, it has to be followed by a conjunction (I.e. ‘but’) or we’ll all die.

I’m 100 percent convinced of this.

And since I’m not ready to die yet…

Steve Nash has phenomenal vision offensively, BUT he’s not a good defensive player.

In related news, the sky is blue and grass is green.

The great thing about Nash is that he has never pretended to be someone different. He isn’t like a box of chocolates; with Nash, you always know what you’re going to get. He’ll help your team score a ton of points but he can be a liability on the defensive end of the floor. This isn’t anything new, mind you; it has obviously been his Achilles heel (for lack of a better term) over the course of his career.

The question then becomes: Is it (still) worth it? Is it worth sacrificing comprehensive defensive schemes to win a lot of games in the regular season? Based on what he’s been able to do with Phoenix Suns teams since 2004 that have featured an abundance of talent as well as squads with mediocre talent (at best), I think the answer is, unequivocally, yes.

Why? Simple—because in this case, there isn’t an equal and opposite reaction. Nash’s offensive prowess and leadership continue to FAR outweigh his defensive inefficiencies.

Steve Nash makes others infinitely better, BUT he’s the beneficiary of an up-tempo system.

Nash is the BASF of the NBA; he doesn’t make the product, he makes the product better. Isn’t that what you want in a point guard? We can delve into this chicken and egg debate (and many have over the years) but if you’re honest with yourself, there isn’t one definitive answer. More clearly, one isn’t contingent on the other.

Any point guard worth their salt can run an up-tempo system. Some (like Nash) simply run it better than others.

Does the system help make Nash more effective? Absolutely. Conversely, does Nash make the system more effective? No doubt about it.

To this day, that still holds true.

Steve Nash is one of the best point guards in NBA history, BUT he’s never won a ‘chip.

Unless something drastic changes, in all likelihood, Nash will never win an NBA Championship. Based on the Suns’ salary cap situation in the next 37 five years, hope isn’t exactly knocking on the door.

Adam Morrison has two titles. Nash has zero. I don’t have anything against Adam Morrison but that reality physically hurts me.

Should this affect Nash’s legacy? Should he even have a legacy? Knowing Nash, he wouldn’t care either way but I’d argue that he should. After all, he is a two-time MVP recipient and has managed to make the point guard a vastly more relevant position in the coming decade.

With Nash, every time he and the Suns have generated sustainable momentum and began to build a team that could feasibly compete for a championship, something dramatic changes. (Don’t call it rebuilding!) Joe Johnson signs elsewhere. Shawn Marion is traded. Amar’e Stoudemire was lowballed.

But Nash doesn’t want you to feel sorry for him and neither do I. One could make an argument that the Suns haven’t caught a break in the Nash era but he’ll be the first to tell you that maybe they just weren’t good enough.

***

Steve Nash is 37 years old and has the potential, at the very least, of being among the league-leaders in assists for the next several years. That alone solidifies him as a top-20 player. The fact that he could help the Suns finish remotely close to .500 last season is nothing short of remarkable.

Ultimately, Nash’s No. 20 ranking means that, in a general sense, 19 players in the NBA are currently better/more valuable. I’m OK with that. In fact, when I submitted my rankings I had Nash much lower on my list. Not long ago, there was a time when Nash was undeniably the best (and most important) point guard in the game. But as the NBA evolves and the Roses and Pauls continue to make a stirring impact on their teams and the League, the balance of power has quickly shifted.

Even so, the dude managed to lead the League in assists again last season without Amar’e Stoudemire. Perhaps more compelling, he also led the Suns in scoring by the end of the year.

If you ask me, that’s pretty damn impressive.

SLAMonline Top 50 Players 2011
Rank Player Team Position Pos. Rank
50 Luol Deng Bulls SF 8
49 Andrew Bogut Bucks C 7
48 Ray Allen Celtics SG 9
47 Marc Gasol Grizzlies C 6
46 David West Hornets PF 15
45 Kevin Martin Rockets SG 8
44 Andrew Bynum Lakers C 5
43 Brandon Jennings Bucks PG 11
42 Lamar Odom Lakers PF 14
41 Gerald Wallace Blazers SF 7
40 Brook Lopez Nets C 4
39 Joakim Noah Bulls C 3
38 Carlos Boozer Bulls PF 13
37 Kevin Garnett Celtics PF 12
36 Eric Gordon Clippers SG 7
35 Tony Parker Spurs PG 10
34 Andre Iguodala 76ers SG 6
33 Al Jefferson Jazz PF 11
32 Al Horford Hawks C 2
31 Stephen Curry Warriors PG 9
30 Tim Duncan Spurs PF 10
29 Josh Smith Hawks PF 9
28 Manu Ginobili Spurs SG 5
27 Tyreke Evans Kings PG 8
26 Rudy Gay Grizzlies SF 6
25 John Wall Wizards PG 7
24 Danny Granger Pacers SF 5
23 Monta Ellis Warriors SG 4
22 Joe Johnson Hawks SG 3
21 Paul Pierce Celtics SF 4
20 Steve Nash Suns PG 6

Notes
• Rankings are based solely on projected ’11-12 performance.
• Contributors to this list include: Maurice Bobb, Shannon Booher, David Cassilo, Bryan Crawford, Sandy Dover, Adam Figman, Jon Jaques, Eldon Khorshidi, Ryne Nelson, Doobie Okon, Ben Osborne, Quinn Peterson, Dave Schnur, Abe Schwadron, Dan Shapiro, Irv Soonachan, Todd Spehr, Tzvi Twersky, Yaron Weitzman, DeMarco Williams and Ben York.
• Want more of the SLAMonline Top 50? Check out the archive.

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  • Heals

    Crazy thing is that so many people haven’t seen O play live, but just assume (not in a negative way, but based on knowing how the sport is played) that putting up his numbers would require an incredibly talented individual. Allen (or anybody) you seen alot of footage of Oscar? Not calling yout out just out of pure curiosity, cause we all know how stats can be misleading, so I’m curoius what aspects/skills/acumens of his game standout most to you guys…

  • http://www.bulls.com Enigmatic

    I need to watch more old school games.

  • http://www.bulls.com Enigmatic

    So no number 19 today? :(

  • http://Slamonline.coM nbk

    Kevin Johnson as a defender puts him over Nash in their primes imo. Both guys controlled the tempo and kept the defense on their heals. Just in different ways. Johnson took a team further, although not as its best player. The debate is good for their primes, Nash has had a much better career though.

  • Galagu

    this write up sounds defensive like even you don’t believe nash deserves this spot.

  • Rainman

    i jsut realized as was noted earlier by others…Bosh is gonna be ahead of Nash on this list?! WHAT?!?!?!?! I thought this was about how good u are, and ur value to ur team…in what WORLD is Bosh more Valuable than Nash for the Heat?? u know what, as the list goes on, im just gonna write the following comment, to whoever it applies to “should not have been ranked above Steve Nash” period. full stop.

  • Rainman

    btw. why are ppl sleeping on Manu Ginobili in the 05 finals as the best player then? I mean Chauncey’s gotten his recognition, so has Timmy, but are ppl forgetting how Manu(long hair, weaving as he drove to the basket, and slammed on both Rasheed and Big ben, and as he made all the critical plays?) played that series? he was unstopabble by every meaning of the word. And when they were anouncing the Finals MVP after game 7, Stern announced that the finals mvp voting was very close, Tim won by very little. (it was either 2 PERCENT of the vote, or 2 TOTAL votes…i think it was percentage, im not quite sure). All i’ve gotta say is…2005 Finals? GINOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOBILIIIIIIIIIIII! *Charles Barkley Voice*

  • http://www.bulls.com Enigmatic

    Well, Manu didn’t do too well in games 3, 4 and 5 of that series. Duncan was more consistent.

  • http://slamonline.com Allenp

    I have seen games and read the accounts of his adversaries. Dude was too strong and mean with a nasty mid range and a sweet post game. He was a bully on the court in the halfcourt but super smart. Very little flash. Like a hybrid of Chauncey and Stockton with Payton’s attitude without the lip. The mid range was awesome though.

  • http://slamonline.com The Philosopher

    I had a feeling that it was the beginning of the end for Kevin Johnson after Benjamin Roy Armstrong Jr. kicked his ass in the Finals.
    I mean, Johnson did not totally get dominated, for, he did get off.
    Then, how many overtimes did they play for Johnson to finish with that 25 and 9?
    But B.J. Armstrong…
    B. Roy Armstrong Jr.
    The look on Wade Barkley’s face after Armstrong hit that 3 from the corner was priceless.
    Barkley had te look of, “You hit the d@mned shot. You weren’t supposed to hit that shot. You guys are supposed to let me win this ring.”

  • http://slamonline.com SpaceJam

    You have to remember, those 10-12 assist Oscar was averaging, you only got an assist if they shot right after they got the ball. You couldn’t dribble before the shot, that alone makes it more impressive.

  • http://sajkflf.com Jukai

    @Heals: I’ve seen around a dozen and a half Oscar Robertson games, not counting the all-star games he has played in. This year alone, I’ve seen about four or five games because NBA TV is playing them constantly. I’ve actually burnt myself out of old-school basketball recently cause I was watching so much (probably due to depression about lockout).
    Oscar really played like a point-forward, posting up, dribbling from baseline to baseline looking for a quick cut. He really worked things from inside out. He had a ridiculously good jump shot, hard to tell how much range it had because he never really strayed too far away from the key, but he could shoot beyond the midrange area.
    I’d correct Allenp and say a combo of Walt Frazier and Chauncy is probably a better opinion, if you have ever seen Frazier.
    Oscar was also supposed to be a real dbag. No one liked playing with him. No wonder Kobe modeled a lot of his game after Oscar.
    @NBK: Barkley kinda led the Suns, dude. KG had an absolutely atrocious finals. That’s a stigma that’s stuck by him for a long time.
    Andddddd….. I originally felt Manu should have gotten finals MVP, but like Enigmatic said, he was clutch but inconsistent.

  • http://Slamonline.coM nbk

    Barkley did lead the Suns. That’s why I said “KJ got further, although not as the best player”

  • http://Slamonline.coM nbk

    Best player pretty much meant leader for that Suns team. Barkley, Ainge, & Chambers were pretty much the only guys that even spoke on that team.

  • http://www.triplejunearthed.com/dacre Dacre

    Monta Ellis is a passing SG.
    LeBron James is the most overrated player of all time…
    and if Steve Nash doesn’t get a championship with Suns it will be the worst travesty in the NBA this side of the lockout…

  • http://sajkflf.com Jukai

    Dacre: Sure, except for Malone, Stockton, Ewing, Barkley, Baylor, and Iverson…. and I’m a Nash fan!

  • http://cnbc.com JTaylor21

    “with the Suns” is the problem. Unless Nash somehow ends up with a championship contender, I see him joining the ranks of ringless greats.

  • KH10

    A small part of me hopes we get about a 30 game regular season and then Nash and the rest of the old guys on the Suns can make a run at the playoffs. On paper you’ve got Nash and Brooks, VC and Petrius, GHill and Dudley, Frye and HW and Gortat and Lopez with Childress as a 12th man. Thats a pretty solid roster if they can *stay* healthy.

  • jimmer

    KJ was a numbers guy. I been with the suns since the early 90′s, and I can tell you Nash’s 18+11 in his prime were way better than KJ’s 20-10. Nash controlled and dictated the whole game, at one point around ’06 and ’07 in a way that really only magic had done on the offensive end. KJ just got numbers, good, solid player, but got numbers in a high tempo high scoring early 90′s game. Look back at the stats and you’ll see 4 or 5 guys getting 10+ assists or damn near close back in them days, including guys like muggsy bogues. Plus KJ couldn’t shoot til the end of his career. He was a drive and dish guy, kinda like Marbury but with class and better. Kj is like 12 or something. C billups? Top 10? GTFOH. Solid player in a comically weak conference who found a collapsing Lakeshow at the right time. Shame nash never had that luck.

  • Overtime

    This has probably been the best thread discussion wise on the top 50.
    Also, you guys are lucky as hell you get NBA tv at least while the lockout is on. Here in the UK, we got nothing. Sweeeeet nothing

  • http://members.cox.net/pilight pilight

    The NBA is gay. Want real basketball, watch the WNBA!

  • http://slamonline.com Ben Osborne

    Thank you Enigmatic!!!

  • http://www.triplejunearthed.com/dacre Dacre

    Just reading back there with Jukai – I agree, Stockton/Malone/Barkley/Iverson…definitely needed to cement their efforts with rings…. Ewing though…. HE could have had a ring if he DUNKED the ball and not laid it up (and missed…!?) agains the pacers that one year…. or if he manned up :P and got in the finals against an old robinson and young timmy…. he could have changed that series….
    …yeah Ewing needs a ring too.

  • http://slamonline 3kings

    I love rondo, but nash is better. THe mans 26 or somthn like that and hes still getting 17 and 10. better free throw shooter and way better jumpshot. no disrespect to rondo

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