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Top 50: Kyrie Irving, no. 9

Cleveland’s point guard could make an MVP-caliber leap in ’13-14.

by Bonsu Thompson / @DreamzRreal

The only reason Kyrie Andrew Irving is in the top 10 of the SLAM Top 50 is that he’s young—extremely young for such a pedestal. Since bouncing on Coach K after 11 unnecessary games at Duke, the Australia-born, New Jersey-raised point has written himself a storybook beginning to his professional career.

Since Dan Gilbert made him 2011’s No. 1 NBA Draft pick, Irving’s purpose has been to bomb over the LeBron James era in big crimson letters. Breaking his rookie season only to properly introduce himself to the masses during All-Star Weekend, he snatched the Rising Stars Challenge MVP with 9 assists and an unimpeded 34 points (12-13 FG, 8-8 3PT). Shortly thereafter, he locked-up the ROY with first-season averages of 18, 5 and 4.

That math would be trumped the very next season (22, 6 and 4), but not before seizing All-Star Weekend once again to remind the world that he’s not solely the future of the Cavs, but the entire League—Friday, 32 points in the Rising Stars Challenge; Saturday, winning his first Three-Point Contest; Sunday, an impressive 15, 5 and 4 in his first All-Star Game.

It kind of sucks to admit, but the only reason Kyrie Irving is not in the top five of SLAM Top 50 is that he’s too young. Most of the men to be listed ahead of him have accomplished some of his aforementioned benchmarks, yet haven’t cleaned the board like he has in their first two seasons. More importantly, unlike Irving, they’ve all reached their profession’s un-promised land: the Playoffs.

Spring is when the NBA’s best become the best. Last March, Irving became legal enough to sip his daddy’s yac. His age must have some of the upcoming eight players pretty concerned—the younger the All-Star, the more harrowing KI must appear. On purely skill-level, the NBA junior is on par or better than 95 percent of the League; even the Five Percenters have felt the new religion that he is.

In case you haven’t noticed, Cleveland’s premo PG has zero respect for elders wearing Jerry West’s silhouette; even less for peers in his generation. He’s taken Kevin Durant to the brink and ended games in Russell Westbrook’s eye; made Rajon Rondo look as old as Paul Pierce (and PP look Doc Rivers’ age); and Madison Square Garden look like his house (youngest person ever to drop 40 in MSG; second youngest was Michael Jordan back in ’85). There wasn’t much difference between his effectiveness at 2012’s All-Star-stocked pre-Olympic training camp and his age group’s 2013 USA Basketball Showcase. Same Sin City. Same Godly game.

Watching Irving shred defenses is like spectating an assassin at work wearing Batman’s belt—he murders opponents with imagination and variety. From a surface level, you’ll see Irving stacking points with golden handles and boundless range. A tighter view offers the nuances to the killer’s repertoire. Physically, his footwork is comparable to Chris Brown’s; he’s not the fastest, but possesses tricky gears of quickness that offsets every defender on the floor. Mentally, he has a merciless, almost psychotic, will to score. He seeks out trouble like some sort of point guardian angel. When everyone in the stadium thinks the play has exhausted, Rod Strickland’s Godson finds another step toward the rack or swivel for a fade-away. Whistle blows—and one. There’s a reason why many hoop heads didn’t diagnose Irving insane for challenging Black Mamba to a $50,000, one-on-one contest: No one man can stop that much force.

Assessing how Irving scores is one study in amazing, but breaking down where on-court he does the most and least damage is another head trip. That he’s one of the A’s finest finishers and relishes contact as much as he does the long ball are truths. It’s why he produces the least between 5-14 feet from the rim. Imagine when he decides to not only challenge D-Rose for best finger-roll, but teardrop as well. Let’s not even talk about KI’s new commitment to defense—man-to-man defense. That’s just an awaiting nightmare for guards come November. The steals average of 1.3 he sleepwalked through his first two seasons will most likely remain his lowest for the next half decade, at least.

Weighing the little that Irving doesn’t do on the court to the a lot that he hasn’t accomplished yet has the Cavaliers quite excited for tomorrow. They’ve expressed this by producing their finest offseason since drafting Prince James. They realize that once again an MVP is in their house, and refused to repeat the same mistake by only accessorizing his greatness.

Over the summer, the Cavs made Irving the nucleus to his first competitive team: there’s Earl Clark, an excellent role player who has the skill set to be more; a gritty Dion Waiters who will shoot better; Jarrett Jack, a purple-hearted back-up; and some bigs who are young, talented and, well…pretty big. Irving can now prioritize passing to his teammates. He’ll finally be able to evolve into an All-Star point guard instead of just an All-Star guard (and finally surpass a 6 apg average). His success this season, though, will rest on the arthritis of Andrew Bynum. If the two can become the 1-2 punch of Gilbert’s wet dream, then number 2 will enter his first postseason.

Everyone in Cleveland is ready for a return to the Playoffs. From the fans to ownership down to their second No. 1 Draft pick in the last two years, Anthony Bennett, they all can smell it. They’re all aware that Irving’s role in this pilgrimage to the un-promised land will be no less than that of Moses. It’s why no matter what city Irving traveled to last summer, his new and old teammates accepted his challenge to grab a flight, follow their leader and practice like they didn’t know the ledge.

See, what the new and improved Cavs are really ready for is their fans to forget that James flat-left them. And only one caliber of player can help fade the memory of an organization’s first MVP: their next MVP.

Where should Kyrie Irving rank in the SLAM Top 50?

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SLAMonline Top 50 Players 2013
Rank Player Team Position Pos. Rank
50 Monta Ellis Mavs SG 5
49 Luol Deng Bulls SF 10
48 Ricky Rubio TWolves PG 14
47 Greg Monroe Pistons PF 12
46 Kawhi Leonard Spurs SF 9
45 Mike Conley Grizzlies PG 13
44 Al Jefferson Bobcats C 9
43 David Lee Warriors PF 11
42 Jrue Holiday Pelicans PG 12
41 Anthony Davis Pelicans PF 10
40 Joe Johnson Nets SG 4
39 Serge Ibaka Thunder PF 9
38 Kevin Garnett Nets PF 8
37 Rudy Gay Raptors SF 8
36 Paul Pierce Nets SF 7
35 Ty Lawson Nuggets PG 11
34 Pau Gasol Lakers PF 7
33 Al Horford Hawks C 8
32 Andre Iguodala Warriors SF 6
31 Brook Lopez Nets C 7
30 Zach Randolph Grizzlies PF 6
29 DeMarcus Cousins Kings C 6
28 Damian Lillard Blazers PG 10
27 Josh Smith Hawks SF 5
26 Joakim Noah Bulls C 5
25 Roy Hibbert Pacers C 4
24 John Wall Wizards PG 9
23 Chris Bosh Heat C 3
22 Tim Duncan Spurs PF 5
21 Dirk Nowitzki Mavs PF 4
20 LaMarcus Aldridge Blazers PF 3
19 Rajon Rondo Celtics PG 8
18 Marc Gasol Grizzlies C 2
17 Blake Griffin Clippers PF 2
16 Deron Williams Nets PG 7
15 Kevin Love TWolves PF 1
14 Dwyane Wade Heat SG 3
13 Paul George Pacers SF 4
12 Russell Westbrook Thunder PG 6
11 Tony Parker Spurs PG 5
10 Stephen Curry Warriors PG 4
9 Kyrie Irving Cavs PG 3

Rankings are based on expected contribution in ’13-14—to players’ team, the League and the game.

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  • LakeShow

    He hasn’t proved to be better than the other PG’s like Curry, and Parker, and Westbrook, BUT… It’s hard for me to be upset at the ranking also. Irving

  • http://signup.divinerenergy.com/ Anthony Dixon

    I don’t think Kyrie is better than D-will OR Curry.

  • Dundler

    Kyrie could be great…really great. But youth is not the only reason he’s not top 5.

  • Armando

    If Irving’s 9 (not saying he won’t be) Cleveland better make the playoffs (with ease). I’d still take Westbrook, Parker and Curry over him but that doesn’t mean I truly think he’s elite, a top 5 PG, a leader, and a pretty lousy defender.

  • ATL dynamite

    The article doesn’t explain well when he is put this high, except the part about the Cav’s additions. Kyrie needs to do A HELL lot to show that he deserves the spot, but he has the potential.

  • Dundler

    Cavs need to make the playoffs, or Kyrie doubters will be piling up in number

  • Stepfan Raiford

    Slam really…really likes Uncle Drew.

  • shockexchange

    Kyrie has “otherworldly” talent but he has to put those skills on
    display during the pressure of the playoffs to be considered ahead of
    Steph or a healthy Russell or Rondo. Those guys have been through the
    fire. Pressure busts pipes. The Shock Exchange has a few observations:

    (i) The Cavs don’t appear to have the talent to do damage in the playoffs. A
    lot is riding on (i) Hairfro’s health and (ii) making sure all the ATMs
    in Cleveland don’t malfunction at the same ____ time.

    (ii) What does the rest of the L think of Kyrie’s talent? Nobody appears to
    be checking for him … SE doesn’t hear free agents thirsting to come o
    Cleveland. That speaks volumes right there. What his NBA peers think –
    but don’t say publicly – prolly carries more weight than we would like
    to admit.

  • http://slamonline.com/ Ben Osborne

    Bezo!

  • Caboose

    Sigh.

  • Slick Ric

    I think Lake Show owns Slam.

  • ATL dynamite

    cosign

  • Caboose

    And some W’s.

  • Caboose

    Would explain Kobe’s ranking…

  • Caboose

    To all of SLAM,
    The Fantasy League is officially full. 20 of the commenters will battle it out. Just a reminder, the draft is Friday, October 25 at 6:30pm.

  • Caboose

    Thank you.

  • Caboose

    Looks like there will be two top-10 players who will be on lottery teams. Something seem wrong here?

  • Dundler

    Or, 8 hours later for some of us haha

  • Caboose

    Lol my bad. 6:30pm PST. If anyone needs that changed, let me know.

  • Dundler

    Don’t worry, you’re worth it

  • Slick Ric

    Its the only explanation.

  • uqk

    or parker…

  • JT

    shockexchange

    I hate to say this. Cavs have the deepest team in the East. You will find that out by February. They are running ten deep with talent. Once they put it all together.

    NY and Brooklyn just have a bunch of players out of position. The Cavs right now is the 5 or 6 best team in the East.

    But…. once they have six months together without injury bug. They will become most dangerous team in the East.
    Once injury effect other teams….that’s when the Cavs have the advantage.

  • Shockexchangeisanimposter
  • spit hot fiyah

    so if he is top 5 and you would take westbrook, parker and curry over him, does that mean that cp3 or rose is outside your top 5?

  • shockexchange

    Okay. They have a lot of 1st round draft choices. You may be right.

  • spit hot fiyah

    if he would be any higher on this list i think this website would have exploded

  • http://signup.divinerenergy.com/ Anthony Dixon

    but…. JERSEY STAND UP!

  • ATL dynamite

    Read again

  • spit hot fiyah

    my bad. so he doesn’t think he is a lousy defender? i would like to see that defended

  • LakeShow

    We’ll know when Durant show’s up at either #1 or #2.

  • retrobat

    I don’t…I just don’t think Kyrie is #9 right now. I’m not saying he’s overrated or anything, but it seems like SLAM is just looking to anoint him “the next (insert adjective here)”. I mean, he’s awesome and all, but #9? This seems too high right now.

  • Caboose

    I’m not gonna say the reason is page views…..but the reason is page views.

  • ATL dynamite

    I’m quietly waiting too haha

  • Junior Taylor

    How is a guy that has yet to lead his team to the Playoffs ranked ahead of a guy (SCurry) that was basically the 3rd best player during last year’s Playoff run? The overrating and over hyping of Kyrie is getting out of hand.

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    in essence i agree, but they pulled this with Derrick Rose and made all of us look like we were the one’s underrating the guy.

  • shockexchange

    There is definitely a case to be made that Steph and Tony Parker should
    be ranked higher. In hindsight, Black Ric Flair, Rondo and Russ aren’t
    healthy and there is no guarantee when or if they will return to form. At worst Kyrie should be ranked anywhere from 11-14. Directionally, SLAM is spot on with the ranking.

  • i_ball

    Or Westbrook

  • Tavoris Sinclair

    it’s not just SLAM. Everybody has considered him the future of point guards since he was in high school.

  • Dagger

    I hate to say this, but so far the player ranking over at ESPN makes a lot more sense than SLAM’s.

    With that said: this is at least a defensible position for Irving, assuming he has a breakout season on offense next year, assuming he can play decent defense, and assuming – most of all – that his teammates will be good enough, and healthy enough, to alleviate some of the pressure on him.

  • Tavoris Sinclair

    even if you don’t count on Bynum, the Cavs will challenge for a playoff spot. If Varejao stays healthy, my bet is that they get in. If Bynum is also healthy and productive (insert laugh here), they should be a lock for the playoffs

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    well ESPN’s voters actually watch all teams all season….

  • Tavoris Sinclair

    Kyrie is better than Curry. He would never, ever, ever struggle against ball pressure like Curry does. That’s why they put the ball in Jarrett Jack’s hands in crunch time.

    Curry is a better shooter, but who shoots better than that guy? Kyrie is his equal-or better-at every other facet of the game.

  • mtobi

    I see John Wall having a better season than Kyrie. Just watch

  • Drig

    And they STILL throw up a few wild ones that miss terribly.

  • shockexchange

    ESPN has Duncan in the Top 10, where SLAM discounted him due to the limited minutes he plays during the regular season. This is defensible. Other than that, ESPN assumes Russ, Horry Jr, Black Ric Flair and D. Rose come back healthy and return to form, while SLAM takes a “wait and see” stance towards BRF and Russ. *EDIT* ESPN also has T. Parker in the Top 10.

  • Drig

    This ranking would be justified if……

    1. Andrew Bynum can magically stay healthy and play atleast 60 games with Kyrie.

    2. They make the Playoffs where Kyrie has atleast one standout performance.

    3. Kyrie can better his on-ball and off-ball defense ( atleast for a stretch of games. Above average would do ) AND still have the same impact on O.

    I can’t see 2 and 3 happening without 1.

    Still, Russ should’ve been higher than Kyrie even with his injury.

    Kobe deserves to be top 3. I don’t get why y’all are angry. ( Yup, I am a hypocrite :P )

  • rande3p

    Kobe last year was on another planet hoopin’ … If he comes back to THAT level, he’s without a doubt in the top few… Oh, miss me with the advanced stats… true ballers watch games and don’t read stat lines on ESPN

  • Drig

    SCurry had the better team. Plus, it was just the POs. Pretty sure Hibbert should be the top C in the L if we’re going by last season’s Playoff run.

    Him and Kyrie tasted similar levels of personal success last season IMO. Both added accomplishments to their resumes. While Kyrie is better at penetrating and breaking down the plays, Curry’s the better shooter.

    Both of them were below average defenders last season. Both of them are better passers than what the stats reflect. The only separation between the two of them is the wins the teams managed to accumulate.

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    well of course not, and like this list, it’s a compilation of votes. They just have a lot more voters, who are a lot more involved in the day to day dealings with the NBA. The voters for ESPN write about the NBA all-day, every-day. the voters for SLAM are as much “journalists” writing stories (often times about the NBA, but not the actual analytics/nuances of the game) as they are devoted NBA fans. Their attention is split. ESPN’s voters, are all basketball. They all think they are going to be scouts someday or something like that too though, so many of them are full of themselves.

  • ChosenOne

    No way can he be ahead of Parker. I’m positive Parker and the Spurs will be winning over 60 games and having a top 1 or 2 seed in the West with TP playing a major part. Whereas with Kyrie, will he lead them to the Playoffs even?
    TP will have more wins. Statistically, Irving may have greater numbers than TP, but I would rather value a guy winning 60+ games and playing great motion offense. I may be wrong but…

  • http://signup.divinerenergy.com/ Anthony Dixon

    Curry was off-ball because its another option to exploit defenses. Curry coming off screen is hard to guard. Mike Brown will probably imitate that.

    And when does Curry struggle against pressure? Kyrie turns the ball over too much.

  • Drig

    Depends on Bynum and Kobe’s health. If both are healthy by ASG, I’d say both teams will be #8 seeds.

  • Tavoris Sinclair

    in his 54 point game against the Knicks, the Knicks won the game by forcing turnovers. San Antonio took him out of the series after game 1 by turning up the pressure on the P&R

    Dude is great, but he hasn’t mastered dealing with on-ball pressure…yet.

  • http://signup.divinerenergy.com/ Anthony Dixon

    He still scored 54 though lol.. And Kyrie has to get into the playoffs first. It will be harder this year.

  • Drig

    A few choices that left me scratching my head :

    Wall over Hibbert AND Nowitzki.
    Bosh and Noah over Nowitzki, Rondo AND Kobe needs a LOT of convincing especially with Deron at #20.
    Brook over Pau

  • LakeShow

    How good would the Spurs be with Kyrie instead of Parker?

    I think, just as good.

  • pposse

    Honestly, Irving is ranked way way too low. He should be in the upper teens at best if you ask me. Does the ranking system change every year? The year before D Rose was MVP of the league he was ranked 12 after he was averaging 21 and 6 and has been in the playoffs for the previous two years of his career and did damage in them. Yet before Irving’s third year, he is ranked 9 and his team on maybe around 40% of analysts polls are outside of the playoffs looking for a spot in.

  • Drig

    The odds are certainly stacked against SLAM’s prediction for Kobe this season. But we said the same thing last season and Kobe justified SLAM’s ranking.

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    Bosh is probably better than them when he’s not on the Heat statistically…and not statistically, he’s probably better than them but you don’t see it, because of James/Wade.

    Kobe and Rondo are very hurt. Seriously hurt, neither should play until at least January….you realize that right? and neither should be at 100% for any significant amount of time……i’m sorry, but Kobe doesn’t deserve to be anywhere in the ball park of the top 10, and #25 like he is on their list, might even be generous (i have him at 19, because i’m aware i could be wrong, but still, i wasn’t even comfortable having him THAT high.)
    Brook was better than Pau last season, so i don’t see why it’s not conceivable he’s not better again?

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    Kobe was only a top 5 player last season if you only rank players by offense.

  • http://soundcloud.com/tray-8 T-Ray

    I’d have to agree with you man but what is your reasoning?

  • Caboose

    I’ll contest that. For sure better:
    LeBron
    Durant
    Paul
    Parker
    Westbrook
    Melo

    Arguably better:
    Wade
    Harden
    Duncan

    So Kobe was top 10, I’ll give you that. But certainly not top 5.

  • Caboose

    Definitely not as good. Kyrie can’t run an offense nearly as well as Tony Parker. Not to mention defense.

  • http://www.rich-imaging.com/ Dutch Rich

    2 Things not mentioned in the article and rightfully so as they would deflate the ranking.
    1. The Gilberts who, it seems, are religiously committed to collecting first round picks. Clevelands off-season transactions do not show a team that wants to see drastic improvements.

    2. Mike Brown who is probably the worst coach to showcase Kyrie’s skill set. I think that marriage, in the short term might, be a complete offensive disaster.

    I’m afraid they will be bottom dwellers again. This coming from possibly one of the biggest Kyrie fans on here. If they do get Wiggins next summer it will have been worth it. But we will be having the same discussion again next year about how Kyrie hasn’t taken his team anywhere yet.

  • Js

    I see no problem with Kyrie here. He is the most skilled Pg in the NBA by far and is only 21. He lead the NBA in clutch points 2 straight years and is remarkably efficient. He’s not a volume scorer like Westbrook or Rose. He’s efficient. Also his assist percentages are actually better than a lot of Pg’s. His actual assists suffer because of poor teammates.

    The Cavs are going to quantum leap into the 6th or 7th seed and hopefully then, people will understand this projected ranking.

  • pposse

    and another thing, Kyrie has shown a mentally weak attitude at times especially at the end of the season. In only his second year in the league he was under handedly slighting his coach letting things get out of house. IDK about this one, he just might be uncoachable. too much superstar swag too early without ever doing anything significant in the league (unless his 40 in msg counts)

  • Drig

    ESPN ranking take in both the stats and the role the player plays for the team when taking the rankings.

    1. Bosh’s stats aren’t magically gonna increase. Especially with Wade’s health allegedly becoming better and Spo not too keen to make sweeping changes to the Heat’s playbook.

    His stats when compared to Nowitzki, who’s gonna be the alpha and the second banana on the Mavs are gonna be worse.

    And, on the basis of last season, I don’t think that his quality on D is enough to put him past Dirk.

    2. Pau was a broken wreck last season with his role constantly changing and his body ravaged by injuries. While his knees seem to have become arthritic, an increased role in the team’s O is gonna result in better stats. That, along with his importance to the Lakers and the fall in the statistical production of Lopez should push him past Brook.

    This will be a moot point if Lopez does actually do the work on the boards and shut the paint down but if KG has more boards then him, this ranking is gonna be a bad one.

    3. I realize that Kobe and Rondo have pretty damn serious injuries which should’ve put them out of commission till January . What I cannot fathom is that Bosh is put ahead of them even when it looks like both will be lacing their boots by Christmas and be back to their best by late January.

  • ChosenOne

    Not as good. TP runs that Spurs offense to near perfection. It’s what makes them so good.

  • LakeShow

    That’s pretty stupid to call him the most skilled by far.

    Paul
    Williams
    Curry

    Each of which is more skilled.

  • Drig

    Parker and Melo were not significantly better than what Kobe was doing last season.

    Parker might have a case of finishing top 5 in the voting but Melo wasn’t even close to having Kobe’s impact.

  • Caboose

    Parker: defense wasn’t even close. Wins.
    Melo: Did everything Kobe did but more so.

  • LakeShow

    No. Popovich runs their offense.

    TP has never been the best floor general.

    They are comparable defensively.

  • LakeShow

    You said TP runs the offense to near perfection…

    That’s Greg Popovich man.

  • Caboose

    Hey nbk, wanna pull up the Spurs’ stats on offensive efficiency with/without Tony for me?

  • Drig

    want me to present a counter argument for Kobe with stats or reasoning?

    Parker might have a case for being top5 but so does Kobe.

  • LakeShow

    What the hell would that say about anything at all in this debate??

  • LakeShow

    Comparable defenders.
    Comparable floor generals.
    Comparable offensive output.

    Kyrie the better shooter, TP the better finisher in the paint.

    Very comparable players in terms of talent and amount of skills. imo.

  • Caboose

    You’re welcome to it. I’m sure you’ve probably seen my arguments against him, so I’ll let you riposte.

  • Caboose

    If Popovich is the one running the offense, any point guard should be able to do it right? Or maybe Tony can run an offense pretty f*cking well.

  • Caboose

    Comparable defenders? Yeah, and Kobe and Wade are comparable defensively too.

  • Js

    Oh god you are an idiot. Williams? Williams? Did you really just mention Deron Williams? I don’t know what planet you’re living on. That overweight turtle isn’t even close to Kyrie, skill wise. As a matter of fact, Deron Williams was quoted, when asked about Kyrie, as saying “He has no weakness. And he’s only going to get better”.

    Steve Kerr and Reggie Miller also said that Kyrie is the most skilled PG in the NBA. I

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    Like this ranking, each vote comes from a person with their own set of values. The final place is just the aggregate. I’m just reiterating the arguments I’ve read from these people.

  • uqk

    never been the best floor general?….07 finals mvp

  • uqk

    true ballers play the games

  • ChosenOne

    Jesus Christ Lake. You’re underrating TP for some reason.
    Yes, Pop implements the offense; assigns them roles, defensive assignments and what not. But the players go out and do it. Parker runs it brilliantly. Watch the Spurs a lot more please.
    They are amazing to watch.
    This summer, players like Curry and few other guards were saying how insanely difficult it is to guard Tony. He will have a more productive season, believe me.

  • Dagger

    I think you’re really underrating Wall, Bosh, Noah and particularly Lopez.

    Look, I can’t stand Bosh, because I’m a Torontonian and petty like that. But he hasn’t become a worse player since he was averaging 24/11 for the Raptors. He could still put up some incredible stats if he wasn’t forced from his comfort zone, away from the basket. In some respects his situation in Miami isn’t that dissimilar from that of Gasol in LA, except Bosh has better range. Since ESPN does consider team role, as you mentioned, Bosh definitely deserves a high placement.

    Wall proved in the second half of last season that he could be a franchise player. Has Hibbert shown that ability for more than two playoff series? Is Nowitzki still that guy; how likely is it that he will decline further next year? Ranking Wall above Hibbert and Nowitzki makes a lot of sense to me.

    As for Lopez: he’s an incredible offensive player. And he’s young. He could be the focal point of Brooklyn’s offense next year, which is pretty damn impressive.

  • Drig

    1. Kobe had a similar TS% as TP despite changing offensive styles and the areas from which he operated at different points of the season.

    While TP has better shooting % beyond 16ft this season, TP attempted half the number of shots from distance compared to Kobe. This was MAINLY due to the Lakers digging themselves into a hole when Kobe was on the bench and the absence of any legit long range shooter.

    2. While TP has a better offensive rating than Kobe, all three had the same defensive rating. This was with Kobe playing about 6 more minutes than TP.

    When you add in the issue of Kobe playing 12 more games than either of them, that’s a lot of minutes.

    Since it is logical to assume that more fatigue would reduce the effectiveness of a player, it stands to reason that TP would’ve had issues maintaining his stats with more minutes.

    4. Kobe never at any point in the season had the chance to play with a fully healthy Lakers team. Add to this the coaching changes and the lack of any set defensive schemes, teams targeted Kobe’s lackadasical energy-conserving lack of help D and rotations.

    To his credit, he tried to compensate for this by trying to be the primary defender of the opposing team’s ball-handler and did a more than passable job of it. However, the effort exerted hurt LAL in the long run as LAL couldn’t score enough at times when Kobe was locked in defensively.

    TP had a set defensive structure in place and a solid defensive team which helped cover his mistakes and allowed him to rest.

    5. Kobe changed roles on the fly last season. He went from being a system player at the start of the season to a drive and dish player in the middle to a perimeter oriented player to a floor general last season.

    And yet, he still managed to have a Turnover rate no worse than Parker’s (13.3 vs 13 ), who’s marked less aggressively, less fatigued and is familiar with the nuances of the offensive system being run.

  • Dagger

    If Reggie Miller says it, it must be true!

  • Sérgio

    Please, stop the hate. He was, at the very least, top 4 with James, KD and Paul. And, besides James, his place in the top 4 is arguable. He surely had to carry the biggest load of this group.

  • Caboose

    Sergio, I have no respect for your opinion. You never back up anything you say.

  • Caboose

    Very well said. I’ll take Kobe as comparable to Tony. I won’t move him up, but it is closer than I initially thought.

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    1. it’s not based on stats alone. stats are considered. role within the team i’m sure is considered (by most guys), overall skillset/team performance definitely play the biggest role though. And without those guys, Bosh last put up 23 and 12……there isn’t a single player in the league who even averaged 20 and 10 last season….Bosh was a unanimous top 15 player when he signed in MIami, and he’s still right in the middle of his prime. so if we take the context of his role on the team, weigh it by his skillset, and the presumed difference he makes for Miami (i highly doubt they’d win a title without him, or make a finals for that matter), and compare that to Nowitzki’s downward momentum since that Championship season, and the Mavericks likely 8 seed/lottery season, it holds weight to have Bosh over Nowitzki. I sure did.
    .
    2. Brook Lopez was the best offensive Center in the league, and whether you noticed or not, was actually a very good defensive player. He played next to the best rebounding player per minute in the whole league (and by a huge margin, Reggie Evans grabbed 26% of all available rebounds while on the court — 38% of all defensive rebounds), and Kris Humphries, who is not too shabby himself (would have finished 13th in overall rebound % if he played more minutes), so really, his 7 rebounds a game isn’t good, it sure didn’t really matter. – Pau was good, still is very good, but you can’t count on him to be that good, and the Lakers are going to suck…..
    .
    3. there is no reason to believe Kobe comes back to 100% at any point ever again….honestly. and Rondo might not even play this season, Boston is tanking, whether Danny Ainge wants to admit it or not.

  • Sérgio

    Please, man, Parker and defense? Are you kidding me? He was, by far, the Spurs weakest link on D, and has never been good on that side of the game.

    And Melo scored a little better, but didn’t have the same impact creating offense for others.

  • Sérgio

    Perfect.

  • Caboose

    BACK UP WHAT YOU SAY. I’ll be happy to pull up some stats that refute your points, but you gotta make the positive claim first.

  • Sérgio

    Man, you’re talking as if Black Ric Flair was Tony Allen’s clone compared to Kobe being Monta Ellis. Please. Neither BRF was that good nor Kobe was that bad. I watched almost all LA games last season. While Kobe’s defense has fallen, he is far from being a bad defensive player. He is displicent off the ball and on rotations, but still is a very good on the ball defender and thief.

  • Drig

    The ranking is supposed to be quality of the player in the role he plays AND the stats the player accumulates.

    Bosh might as well be talented enough to put up huge numbers across the board like his Toronto days but he isn’t putting it up right now. Dirk and Pau are gonna do that next season.

    Being the best team’s 3rd best player ( Bosh) vs being in the top 5 of any team’s 2nd best option (Pau) vs being one of the top 10 first option players in the L.(Dirk)

    I don’t understand how they arbitrarily weigh each of those categories since each player plays a different role.

    Wall has shown the ability to lead a team to .500 record for 30% of the season. Something which an ailing Dirk did on an off-year in a tougher conference with admittedly better coaching and teammates.

    Even if Wall does consistently play at that level, Dirk’s post ASG stats were comparable to his 2011 Playoffs run.

    Coming to Hibbert, I believe defense is the one thing that can always be counted on when a player is healthy. Hibbert is arguably gonna be the L’s best defensive C this upcoming season while Wall will be an elite perimeter defensive player, assuming he can handle the fatigue well enough by now. Both aren’t great offensive players but Hibbert’s offense last season IMO was more due to shots simply not falling for him rather than a lack of skill or ability. Plus, Wall hasn’t exactly been lighting stuff up on O either.

    Lopez could be what you said or he could be Andrew Bynum on the ’10 Lakers before he went down. A solid player who at his best would be a 2nd option. Considering he has to share the ball with DWill, Jet, PP and KG, I’d say he’s gonna be the latter.

  • Caboose

    No, he’s really not. He really really isn’t. You’ve yet to back up ANYTHING you say with evidence outside of “I’m a huge Lakers fan and watch all their games.” See the difference?

  • Sérgio

    Yeah, Williams. People are severy underrating the guy. Dude can do it all on the court. If he is healthy for the whole season, he will be in the top 3 pg discussion again.

  • Drig

    1. Bosh will be counted upon to do that exactly 5-10 odd times per season. A healthy 2013- post ASG Dirk put up 19 and 8 for a stretch of 30 games. As the team’s first option with defenses geared to stop him.

    Also, I don’t get the part where you said he should be given additional importance for his enforcer role on the Heat team.

    I’d be just as entitled to say Dirk and Kobe should be given extra importance because they HAVE TO and DO produce every damn game when they’re healthy else their teams are more or less gonna be blown out.

    The Heat have managed to get by in games when Bosh has been largely invisible.

    2. I understand that his rebounding wasn’t an issue LAST season. If he doesn’t improve that this season, I’ll rightly criticize him.

    Read my response to Dagger for this part.

    3. I know. By full-on Kobe, I meant a Kobe who wasn’t rusty. Honestly speaking, I’ll be thankful if I can watch Kobe play more than 50 games this season. I don’t even care if LAL stink TBH. His achilles injury made me realize that this might be the last season I can appreciate Kobe as a Laker.

  • Sérgio

    First of all, I’m usually very busy throut the day. Second, you and I and every informed basketball analyst know that stats are pretty deficient in terms of measuring the defensive impact of a player – specially if the whole team is bad defensively (like the Lakers were last season) or awesome (like the Spurs).

    I can’t search now, but ESPN had a story last season pointing out that Kobe held his opponents to 32% shooting, good for 12th in the whole League. Also, he averaged 1.36 steals per game, which is good.

    Again, his off ball defense deteriorated. But its ridiculous to call him a bad defender.

  • Drig

    Kobe better come next SLAM. #8′s gotta be Kobe.

  • Caboose

    Watch it be Dwight.

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk
  • davidR

    will kyrie even play 60+ games this season?

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    i assume so yes.

  • Drig

    1. Any sane person would pick Bosh considering he’s in his prime and we need a player to stick around for atleast the next 5 years if you wanna build a team around him.

    2. Lopez could improve on last season or he could be Andrew Bynum on the ’10 Lakers before he went down. A solid player who at his best would be a very talented 3rd option. Considering he has to share the ball with DWill, Jet, PP and KG, I’d say he’s gonna be the latter.

    3. You seemed to have missed the point here :

    How the hell is a not rusty recovered Kobe for half a season ranked above Pau if you rank players on the basis of the entire season? How the hell is Kobe not above Bosh if they think Kobe’s impact once he returns will offset all the work Pau has done early in the season ( which is the opinion of the general consensus )? This is assuming his stats+quality can be accounted for by Pau’s better stats and inferior quality.

  • davidR

    i hope so. there’s a lineage of supremely talented players that got derailed from injuries (penny, ghill, tmac, broy). wouldn’t want kyrie to follow that path.

    but yea, the last time slam overhyped a young upcoming guard, they were right (rose). this years cavs team seems like it can do some decent damage if fully healthy. i’m hoping kyrie finally breaks out. top 10 tho just seems really high

  • Drig

    No way that it’s gonna happen. Dwight has gotta be top 5. He’s healthy this season.

    IMO:

    LBJ
    KD
    CP3
    Rose
    D12
    Melo
    Harden
    KB

  • Caboose

    Switch Dwight and Rose, I’ll be happy with that.

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    offense is 5 points per 48 minutes better on offense, and 3 points better per 48 minutes on defense with Parker on the floor.
    .
    of their top 10 “5-man units” Parker (and Duncan) are in 9 of them
    .
    his offensive rating of 116 is 8 points higher than the team offensive rating — he played in 68% of his available minutes. so logically one could surmise, he makes a pretty significant difference.

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    1. well, any sane person thinks Bosh is better than those guys today…….and realizes team situation doesn’t = overall ability

    2. Lopez is already the first option. SO there goes that.

    3. it’s like a safety bet. like me putting him at 19 in mine. i actually think he’ll be around 35, but since he could end up being ridiculously good because he’s a psychopath, i settled in the middle.

  • LakeShow

    lol, i’ll let you keep living in your hole.

  • LakeShow

    LOL!

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    Parker is not a good defender. Why do you keep saying this? he’s average, but that’s a lot to do with the system he plays in, he’s smart enough to be average just by being on the court with legs that move.

    and idk how good you think Kyrie is or isn’t, but he is extremely skilled, more so than parker, he just doesn’t have that floater…or those teammates, or that system. But i would not really bet on any team stepping back by putting in Irving as their point guard. that kid is gold.

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    against Daniel Gibson…..big whup.

  • LakeShow

    That award that dictates who the best floor general is?

    My world is turned upside down…

  • LakeShow

    I think Curry, Irving, Williams, Paul, Rose, would all do as good a job or better.

    I realize I don’t rank TP as high as you do, but this is what I think is true.

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    see above, i posted 5 links to Sergio, with detailed information with video and statistical evidence showing how terrible Kobe was last season. one of them even gives him credit for that 2 game stretch where he was freaking awesome (against Kyrie Irving and Brandon Jennings — hello experience).

  • Caboose

    Be a pal and pull up Kyrie’s?

  • LakeShow

    I like how were all biased because we like the Lakers, but you never take into account that your biased because you hate the Lakers…

  • LakeShow

    Yes Irving and Parker are comparable defensively.

    Irving is bad, and so is TP, but one has Tim Duncan behind him, and Leonard on the side of him.

    P.S. quit overrating Wades defense. He’s one of the biggest gamblers in the game.

  • Caboose

    Parker is distinctly average on defense. Kyrie isn’t, as far as I canttell.

  • Caboose

    You think he’ll watch those?

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    offense is 3 points per 48 minutes better on offense, and 2 points worse per 48 minutes on defense with Irving on the floor.
    .
    Clevelands teams were all bad. of the 5 units that were better than they were bad, Irving was on 4.
    .
    his offensive rating of 108 is 4 points higher than the team offensive rating — he played in 70% of his available minutes. so logically one could surmise, he makes a pretty significant difference but not as pronounced as Parkers.

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    well yeah, but don’t call him good. like in the Kobe debate, you mentioned Parker’s defense. you can’t say Parker is a better defender than Kobe, maybe “system” wise, but he’s not very good.

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    Irving is terrible.

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    no, but they exist. so he can’t say he was never shown any proof. and he can’t say, “stats” or whatever he said about being an analyst and needing more than just statistics.

  • Najee Fareed

    thts stupid… in what world is D12 BETTER THAN ANY OF THEM

  • LakeShow

    In the world of 2 seasons ago, and most likely the world of next season.

    ………………………………………………………………………………………

    Man, ya’ll would think i’d be the biggest Dwight hater on here, but i’m always having to defend his ass on here.

  • Najee Fareed

    Wade better than Kobe? Melo better than Kobe? Westbrook? Parker? Duncan? HAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

  • http://soundcloud.com/tray-8 T-Ray

    Agree on all points. My deciding factor was the better shooting of Irving.

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    Kobe can’t run.

  • LakeShow

    You know how I feel about shooting…

    It’s always bugged me that Parker is a very poor shooter from deep. He just has learned how to play the game so that that deficiency does not effect him or his team greatly. (which is awesome)

    He’s a great player and a top PG, but I have always preferred most other top PG’s skill-sets to Tony’s.

  • LakeShow

    Yeah he is.

    I think he will be on TP’s level next season or maybe the season after that. And I know that’s not great, to look up to TP’s defense, but he’s good enough offensively to forgive him being (if he can get there) average.

    As you know consistency, and a better all around team will help him allot on defense.

  • Sérgio

    All those articles are based on opinions and they all say how bad the Lakers defense IN GENERAL was. Remember, not even DWIGHT HOWARD could improve that.

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    yeah, i’m just saying, Parker is average to bad. Irving is bad to terrible. there is a difference. even if it’s really just about experience.

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    so you didn’t click them, read them, or watch the proof in them.
    .
    got it.

  • Najee Fareed

    tht sounds stupid

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    oh! ok. well, tell that to Kobe achilles tendon. i’m sure it’ll mend right up for you.

  • LakeShow

    lol, I agree, I think that gap will quickly be narrowed is my point.

    I could be wrong though, he could remain a staple on the all offense/no defense team.

  • Najee Fareed

    he is still better than him. D12 has and always will be massively overrated. His not on Shaq level, David Robinson level, Patrick Ewing level, Hakeem Olajuwon level, or even Yao Ming level. The rockets are even being over hyped. The Yao-Mcgrady combo was more effective offensively and defensively (as in Harden is an average defender at best) yet championships are being talked about. They cannot beat the spurs, thunder with westbrook, warriors, nuggets with gallo, and I’m going to go out on a limb and say Lakers with Kobe. Remember the fact that those ‘awful’ Lakers finished their season 28-12 and only lost some of those because Dahntay Jones injured Kobe. Pau is going to have a comeback season and so is Nash actually plus new additions will fit in well, many people may dissent but this team is going to be good when Kobe returns to form.

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    i sort of agree? Duncan/Popovich/Leonard/Splitter are going to keep that from happening right now though.

  • LakeShow

    Forgive me while I go into full retard mode…

    WELL OF F*CKING COURSE HOWARD IS OVERRATED IF YOU THINK HE IS ON SHAQ, ROBINSON, EWING, DREAM, MING LEVEL.

    SH*T…. REALLY SOME IDIOT THINKS D12 IS ON THEIR LEVEL??????!!!

    I HAVE NEVER MET SOMEONE THAT STUPID YET…

    I HAVEN’T HEARD ONE PERSON SAY THAT THE ROCKETS ARE A TOP 2 TEAM IN THE WEST. THAT IS THE ONLY WAY THEY COULD BE OVER HYPED IS TO SAY THEY ARE A TOP 2 TEAM. THEY HAVE A CHANCE TO BE AS HIGH AS #3 IMO.

    YOU JUST SAID YAO-MCGRADY COMBO WAS BETTER…
    HARDEN/HOWARD HAVEN’T PLAYED TOGETHER YET YOU DUMMY!

    WHO’S TALKING ABOUT CHAMPIONSHIPS FOR THEM OUTSIDE OF THEIR OWN LOCKER ROOM?? NO ONE!

    YOU JUST MENTIONED THE NUGGETS BEING A TOP TEAM IN THE WEST… AND FOLLOWED THAT WITH ONE NAME. “GALLO”… WTH KIND OF WORLD DO YOU LIVE IN???

    YOU CAN’T INFORM ME ABOUT ANYTHING ABOUT THE LAKERS.
    EVERYTHING YOU JUST SAID ABOUT THEM I HAVE ALREADY MENTIONED WEEKS OR MONTHS AGO.

    …ALRIGHT, AND NOW exiting full retard mode.

  • Sérgio

    Boy, I didn’t read them now, cause I already read them all some time ago. But I will.

  • Caboose

    What does it feel like to stick your head face first in the sand and ignore all evidence?

  • Caboose

    You’re ignorant, and brainwashed by Nike and ESPN.

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    lol no you didn’t.

  • Najee Fareed

    once again tht sounds stupid

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    your reaction to your parents when you found out about Santa was probably very similar.

  • davidR

    he isn’t, but dwight also isnt playing against centers on ewing, hakeem, yao level. so by default, he’s the best right now

  • Najee Fareed

    you must have never watched or read anything the media has said so whatever and alot of people attempt to put him on their level. And if you also beleve yao is better than him, then you should believe that Kobe is better than him without a doubt plus they obviously have not played a gam ebut is better statistically fool

  • LakeShow

    Media? What’s that?

    I just watch games man.

    Show me one semi-legit person that thinks Howard is on their level? I’d wait, but you can’t.

    KB is coming off surgery he could be anywhere from #3 to #25.

  • AddingVelocityDontTellMe

    How does Kryie make it with Wall lagging so far behind. They are in nearly identical situations one better at O and the other better at D with fringe playoff teams. Kobe shouldn’t be top 5 if he is going to play only half a season. Durability has to factor in these rankings.

  • Dundler

    Respect to you man. Respect anyone who recognises someone presenting a good argument even if its against their opinion

  • Dundler

    I will defend my biggest Dwight hater crown to the death. (But not if I’m off defending my biggest Melo hater crown)

  • Dundler

    No man, simply no. Parker plays that Spurs offense perfectly. His IQ is really, really underated. Do you ever hear him mentioned as one of the top IQ guys? Parker isn’t a great defender, but he’s better than Kyrie at this point. No way Irving can run that Spurs offense even half as well (Parker was probably equally as clutch as Kyrie last year btw, in way more important games)

  • Dundler

    Except, its not actually is it? I don’t think we can chuck Steve Blake onto the Spurs and watch as Pop runs it just as good as ever

  • Dundler

    Oh man, I forgot he was their coach now. Yeah, completely cosign this

  • LakeShow

    I hate on them both, but actually have allot of respect for their games.
    Same as James.
    The hate is strong with this one, but I try to not let it cloud my judgement.

  • LakeShow

    **Cough !DEFENSE! cough**

  • Dundler

    I respect Howard’s game (so far in preseason, I still say he was goddam awful last year) Melo, He had an above average year last season I’ll admit, and I actually started to turn on him abit, before he quickly corrected me and reminded me exactly what he is

  • LakeShow

    Don’t forget that KB, Bynum, James, Gasol all played great under MB.

    Kyrie will be fine.

  • LakeShow

    Last year I almost puked when they tossed him the ball in the post…

    Melo, surprisingly, is improving. But he will always be Melo.

  • Dundler

    Gasol played…ehh. Not as good as with Phil Jackson (I do realise nobody is replicating that but still). I dunno, Brown doesn’t have it I don’t think. I don’t think he works well with superstars, not sure how Kyrie will work with him

  • Dundler

    Melo had a little stretch of buying into the team concept, playing D, hustling, caring, doing whatever needed to get the win.

    Then he just thought he’d shoot for the rest of the year. I would be astounded if he ever reaches the finals as a first option

  • LakeShow

    I think with the perfect team, he’d dominate.

    Basically a bunch a defenders and a couple shooters around him.

    Enter fantasy land with me:

    Rubio
    Danny Green
    Kawai Leonard
    Melo
    Tyson or Noah

    That team could do damage.

    **Okay I guess any player can be set up perfectly in fantasy land.

  • Dundler

    So a team to do all the things that’ll win games for him then.

    Lol yeah, I mean you’d be pretty much be placing him with three all0star or bordeline all-stars plus Danny Green there, I just don’t ever see him leading a team anywhere really.

  • uqk

    That award dictates the best player…..he is the floor general anyway

    So did pop run french national team also?

  • uqk

    well parker can’t choose who should defend him…that’s up to mike brown decision

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    Ok? It doesn’t prove anything to just say, “he won finals MVP” – that’s the point. Context is important. Ignoring it is stupid. Don’t be stupid.

  • Caboose

    Much appreciated.

  • Chester

    Lol shock, please explain the nicknames for the players you’ve mentioned. I never really understood the horry jr one

  • Chester

    This guy seriously. You’ve yet to watch a regular season game of this guy play with this team and you’re already crapping them on the potential of the team. How can you deduce that the “Yao-McGrady combo is better” without having even seen a game from this new team?! Calm down bro, don’t be such hater and lacking in rationale. Just because the guy left you’re team it doesn’t automatically classify him as sh*t

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    De nada fam

  • horrible

    i understand the point of websites like this would be collecting views and creating controversy. With that said, your list is a joke and your rankings have devastated all your credibility of basketball knowledge.

  • uqk

    he played in finals, euro…just recently
    ignoring parker recent accomplishment…is stupid

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    Nobody is doing that. Good though, you sort of remember some things. Awesome. That is still a completely context deficient argument.

  • Mike From Spain

    If the SlamOnline hive mind dedicated as much effort to debating world peace and hunger as it does to debating Kobe Bryant’s raking in the Slam top 50, we’d surely have everyone abandon their AK47s and every child in the planet fed in about two weeks

  • i_ball

    I don’t we have gotten to the big Kobe discussion yet

  • Mike From Spain

    But nonetheless, he’s popping up in a lot of these discussions

  • Armando

    Typo. Should be top 6. OK? …Already said he’s a lousy defender (Irving that is). My ranking of the top PGs can be found in the Parker thread, but essentially:
    1. Paul
    2a. Rose
    2b. Parker
    4. Westbrook
    5a. Curry
    5b. Irving
    7. Williams

  • danpowers

    i beg to differ, that ak47 stereotype is obsolete. e.g.: the german g3 from heckler&koch replaced the ak 47 as the most used weapon in africa. so please: everyone abandon their G3 lol

  • Najee Fareed

    once again not even a christian, i am a muslim who was never brought up to believe in santa but whatever

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    i wasn’t being literal just using an analogy….. pointing out saying a fact “sounds stupid” is a childish reaction. calm down.

  • allenp

    Indiana has the deepest team in the East. Check that roster again.

  • shockexchange

    Horry Jr is the biggest winner of his era, just like Robert Horry. LOL.

  • Dnton

    Unless you’re counting Tim Duncan as a PF last playoffs, then it would be down to Hibbert/Marc Gasol/Joakim Noah. They all did pretty well, Hibbert defo wasn’t the clear cut top C in the playoffs.

  • uqk

    floor general/point guard/playmaker…depends on interpretations

    is getting final mvp considered as being best?
    who’s the last “floor general” as in true pg, wins finals mvp?
    how many “floor general” win it?
    not much….
    billups,
    thomas,
    magic *some might say he’s not pg*
    lebron? playmaker/floor general?
    any1 else?

  • The Seed

    I would take Irving over every point guard, not named Rose, Westbrook or Curry.

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  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    No, getting finals MVP does not = best. I mean Parker and Billups are both proof of this. Duncan was the best player on that Spurs team. And nobody on Detroit was really “better” then anyone else, they just fit perfectly as a team. You know, since getting to and winning the finals requires an entire team of people beating entire teams of other people. .
    The only PG’s to win championships as the best PG in the league since Bob Cousy (who imo was overrated) were Magic Johnson and Walt Frazier. It just historically is not a position you can win around very easily if it’s your centerpiece. And this is coming from a person who has played and preferred watching PG his entire life, it’s just the way it is.

  • Interdico Scriptor

    Ask creationists.

  • Jazz

    I would take Tony Parker over Kyrie Irving in a heartbeat. Kyrie might one day be better, but right now, he isn’t good enough to be an MVP runner-up

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  • Tavoris Sinclair

    11 turnovers last night against the Clippers. Still confident in his handle?

  • http://signup.divinerenergy.com/ Anthony Dixon

    lol he was going up against cp3… He probably has the best hands in the league

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