October 20, 2009 8:00 am  |  168 Comments

Top 50: Dwight Howard, no. 5

The definitive ranking of the NBA’s best players.

by Myles Brown/@mdotbrown

The sun was at its peak on a glorious July afternoon in southern Florida. There wasn’t a cloud in sight and from here the tourists scurrying about the park were nothing moDwight Howardre than ants on a picnic table. From here, Dwight Howard was literally on top of the world.

Alone in the Aéro30, suspended 400 feet above Disney World, he rested his chiseled frame on a guardrail and marveled at a breathtaking view of the Magic Kingdom. ‘The only thing that could make this day better is a parade’, he sighed. As they had since the end of his season last month, his thoughts eventually turned to those fateful free throws and whether he’d ever get an opportunity to redeem himself. But on this day he was determined to leave the past as just that.

Back on solid ground, Howard continued with his itinerary. He went back in time on the Primeval Whirl, gasping at the twists, turns and startlingly lifelike dinosaurs. He strolled the Maharajah Jungle Trek and learned the Komodo dragon is actually just a big lizard. He delightfully sung along with every verse of the Finding Nemo musical. Twice. He shook hands, posed for pictures and signed autographs. Dwight Howard was having too much fun.

And then it happened. A loud gurgling emitted from his stomach. His abdomen tightened with discomfort as his bowels violently shifted, demanding relief. Dwight Howard had too much spicy curry chicken last night.

The wailing child still propped on his shoulders served as a siren for those in Howard’s path as he left behind a shoe, $1.31 in change and a nauseating streak of flatulence on his way to the nearest restroom.

Bursting through the door and into an empty stall, for the next five minutes the prodigious pivot let loose a comically animated series of discharges. Exhaling with glee upon conclusion, it wasn’t until he noticed the oversized loafers in the adjacent stall that Dwight became aware of his company and was slightly embarrassed. But before the poopetrator could muster an apology he was interrupted by the stranger’s cell phone.

Howard smiled at the sound of the ring tone-a rendition of ‘Onward, Christian Soldiers’-and couldn’t help but to eavesdrop on the conversation.“Yes, dear…. I know, I’m sorry, I’ll be out soon….Oh, okay, well where do they want to go?……Alright, I’ll meet you there in a bit….Love you too.”

Timid, but impressed with the stranger’s tenderness and relieved that he didn’t interrupt it with further indigestion, Dwight tapped the wall between them as a sign of approval. The stranger tapped back. Jim Severson didn’t bother to wash his hands and grabbed his son’s arm as he rushed out of the restroom, quizzically peering over his shoulder, clueless as to what would transpire next.

Howard and his neighbor simultaneously emerged from their stalls, both startled by what they saw.

“Dwight?” the stranger exclaimed.

“Mr.Robinson?”

Though it was his favorite movie, David Robison decided not to join his family for the Voyage of the Little Mermaid because it was difficult enough to spend that much time watching an underage, half-naked white girl in the animated feature. But a live performance? No thanks.

This being their first meeting, the Hall of Famer and his successor exchanged pleasantries and didn’t realize that they’d been drifting around the park for hours before arriving at the Teacup rides. They looked at each other and both knew that there was no way they weren’t going to give it a whirl. The two giants compacted themselves into a teacup and as the ride began, their conversation took a more serious turn.

“You know Dwight, before my career began my favorite Bible story was always the Book of Job. I thought the unimaginable suffering he endured as a testament to his faith should be inspirational to us all. But after I retired and looked back on things, I changed my mind. Not about Job-he still inspires me-but it just wasn’t my favorite story anymore. Now my favorite story is the one I identify with most, David and Goliath.”

Howard’s bulky neck tilted with confusion and his brow furrowed as Robinson continued.

“The character of a Christian is tested daily in such a powerful and hedonistic lifestyle as the NBA’s. Money, ego, drugs, alcohol, women….”

Howard cleared his throat, pursed his lips and looked downward in solemn contemplation. The teacups kept right on twirling.

“…and it seems at times in order to appeal or relate to people you need to engage in such activity. Public opinion has equated Christianity with pantywaisted squaredom and there were questions of whether I could lead or secure endorsements because of my faith. But I earned credibility both on and off the court and that influence has been able to do wonderful things for several people. The NBA Cares and Community assist awards may be fodder for cynical columnists, but I’ve seen the lives I and others have touched and thankfully I was blessed with enough money to do so much more. Hopefully God will bless me with a long life so that I can achieve those goals. I see that you take pride in this too and you should be inspired by your wealth, youth and the good that you can do with your life, Dwight.”

This filled the young center with joy. The approval of such a stellar example as Robinson meant everything to him and he hung on his elder’s every word.

“But your career-your lifespan in this game-is so much shorter and you must seize every opportunity. I wanted to be seen as a leader, a positive role model, a great player and a champion. I always knew this was just a game, but I wanted to use my God given ability to its fullest extent and blaze a new trail for men of a higher purpose. To show that you could be an all-time great and a man of God. However, sometimes I feel like I’ve fallen short and in my darker moments I even feel like I failed. Like I should’ve left a bigger mark. I wanted to show just how much a man of God could achieve and it’s an awful feeling to think that I could’ve achieved more. You don’t want to feel that way Dwight.”

Howard frowned not only at the thought of such a feeling, but in compassion for Robinson, whom he felt was being too hard on himself. Surely no one would consider such an accomplished career as a failure. Still, Robinson continued.

“A man, even one such as myself, wants to leave an indelible mark on this sport and that requires defeating other men of similar purpose. Men who will stop at nothing to leave that mark, not even if it means succumbing to their own ego and desires at the cost of others and their own soul. It’s a dangerous path, look at Michael for Christ’s sake. He became his own idol.

But that’s the kicker, the same thing that drove Michael is the same thing that drives the rest of us. Establishing yourself, leaving a mark, fulfilling potential, blah, blah, blah. It all involves one thing, winning. In order to win in this league you have to be truly driven. Single minded, obsessed even. But you can’t let the game, the desire consume you Dwight. That is where we must avoid the sins of pride and false idolatry. But you know what else? No one else is willing to play by those rules. The history books won’t care about your character, only your accomplishments. And let me tell you something, Wilt was right. it’s tough to be David when you’re built like Goliath.”

The teacups began to whirl at an unnatural speed and a cold wind cut across Howard’s face. He struggled with the complexities of such advice and it was tough to concentrate over the children’s cries for help. He became nervous. Robinson, wingspan encompassing the entire cup, remained calm.

“People tell me that I accomplished so much and it’s should be a testament to my faith that I maintained my beliefs while receiving so many accolades. But everything that I’ve achieved is a big fucking joke.”

And with that, a roaring fire was lit behind Mr.Robinson’s pupils. His rippling muscles swelled, his bloodstream visibly rushed and he almost seemed to be growing. Dwight was past nervous. He was getting scared.

“Maybe I should’ve been more aggressive, maybe God would’ve understood. Everything I achieved has been discredited. What am I remembered for? An MVP I apparently didn’t deserve, getting smothered by Olajuwon, emasculated by Rodman and crushed by Shaq. I never received any real recognition until recently and even that was short lived. People don’t even respect my rings! They’re Duncan’s! It’s bullshit!”

Robinson’s voice boomed and now there was no questions about it. He was growing right before Dwight’s eyes. The seams of his shirt popped, the buttons flew, his feet tore through the soft leather and the teacup cracked as it struggled to contain him. Onlookers fled and as Robinson literally grew through the ceiling the cracks revealed a sky filled with ominous black clouds. But the Spurs’ eyes remained fixated on his target who was paralyzed by fear.

“But now people actually have the nerve to compare you to me? I am David Robinson and so I know for damn sure that you’re no David Fucking Robinson! I scored 71 points in a game and won a scoring title! I averaged four and a half blocks with two steals in my third season! I was a threat from inside and out, I beat guards up the floor and jumped over centers!

You want to be me? Ha! Look at you, I was an unquestionable centerpiece of my team, yours won’t even give you the ball no matter how high your FG% is! A body and skills like that, yet you only took 12 shots a game last year?! And that was a career high? Are you fucking kidding me! Your team was the first in NBA history to take more than a third of their shots from three, they don’t respect you, you’re a joke!”

Howard tried to remain strong, but he no longer feared the imposing figure before him as much as it’s words. He was scared they were the truth.

“Do you know how long and how hard I had to fight to get what I’ve got? But the road to a championship has been practically fucking steamrolled and paved for you! There’s no Barkley, no Malone, no Olajuwon, there’s no one! You’re the only center in the league and you still refuse to dominate! Who is in your way? A hobbled K.G.? I’d tear right through that motherfucker! What do have to fear, Shaq?! Not only is he a shell of himself but he’s the antithesis of everything we’ve tried to represent! Humility, hard work, respect, loyalty…yet they fawn at his supposed greatness while he openly mocks us! Are you going to stand for that?! Huh, Superman?!”

Robinson was now more than 400 feet tall and chaos erupted around him. His bellowing could be heard over the emergency sirens for miles. Buildings crumbled around him, the earth shook and a torrential rain drenched Howard as his lip quivered and he began to swallow his tongue.

“You’re no David Robinson! If you were you’d have a post game. You’d make your free throws. You’d seize the leadership role. You’re no David Robinson, because David Fucking Robinson wouldn’t be at Disney World after blowing the NBA Finals, would he?! Would he?!”

Surrounded by flames and deafening screams Howard felt as though his heart could exlode at any moment. His mentor showed no mercy.

“ANSWER ME!!!”

Dumbfounded and petrified, Dwight David Howard did the only thing his body would allow.

He farted.

And then he woke up.

Drenched in sweat and surrounded by a foul stench, Howard leapt out of bed and bolted for the toilet. Alone in his bathroom at 3:15 AM he sat, still unsure of how to balance the principles of his faith with those of his profession. He was pretty sure that Shaq wasn’t the antichrist though.

He was however, certain of three things. He did have too much spiced curry chicken earlier that evening. He needn’t worry about comparisons to David Robinson yet, since he was entering his sixth season and will still be younger than the Admiral was as a rookie.

And he wasn’t going to Disney World tomorrow. He was going to the gym.

Notes
• Rankings are based solely on projected ‘09-10 performance.
• Contributors to this list include: Jake Appleman, Brett Ballantini, Russ Bengtson, Toney Blare, Shannon Booher, Myles Brown, Franklyn Calle, Gregory Dole, Emry DowningHall, Jonathan Evans, Adam Fleischer, Jeff Fox, Sherman Johnson, Aaron Kaplowitz, John Krolik, Holly MacKenzie, Ryne Nelson, Chris O’Leary, Ben Osborne, Alan Paul, Susan Price, Sam Rubenstein, Khalid Salaam, Kye Stephenson, Adam Sweeney, Vincent Thomas, Tzvi Twersky, Justin Walsh, Joey Whelan, Eric Woodyard, and Nima Zarrabi.
• Want more of the SLAMonline Top 50? Check out the archive.

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  • Juice20 Posted: Oct.20 at 8:04 am
    First

  • chexiaobei Posted: Oct.20 at 8:06 am
    First!It’s too long!!

  • Jukai Posted: Oct.20 at 8:08 am
    Oh god, that Greek guy is going to have an aneurysm…
    While Dwight Howard may arguably be head and shoulders above the league as the best defensive force in it right now… his offense is really that bad!

  • T Posted: Oct.20 at 8:11 am
    LOL i thought this was a joke article, but it had some good points near the end. Epic

  • Jukai Posted: Oct.20 at 8:14 am
    Oh my god… I should have read this all before I commented on anything…
    Myles, that was your best work, and you’ve written a lot of amazing things!

  • Ken Posted: Oct.20 at 8:15 am
    Dear chexiaobei: if somebody makes a post before you, you are not “firsteeezzz!!! OMG LOLZ!!!” You are second, and now you look like an idiot.
    On topic: if you average the length of this piece, and yesterday’s piece on Duncan, you’d have just the right length.

  • kobesbestfriend Posted: Oct.20 at 8:32 am
    Way overated…he’s the sole reason the lakers won the title last year!!!not better than TD!!!

  • neaorin Posted: Oct.20 at 8:35 am
    I am speechless. I have no speech.

  • Tower Posted: Oct.20 at 8:39 am
    Be cool Ken

  • Jukai Posted: Oct.20 at 8:49 am
    Is anyone really hating on this write-up? It’s pure gold.

  • T Money Posted: Oct.20 at 8:52 am
    Welcome back, Mr Brown

  • Lakets Posted: Oct.20 at 8:56 am
    4 paul 3 wade 2 lebron 1 kobe thats how it should be

  • Ken Posted: Oct.20 at 9:03 am
    Oh, and this part is what is scary: “he was entering his sixth season and will still be younger than the Admiral was as a rookie.”
    Though I don’t think he’ll end up being as good a player on both sides of the ball as DRob was, Dwight definitely has time to improve his offense.

  • Bryan Posted: Oct.20 at 9:11 am
    Awesome.

  • k.a. Posted: Oct.20 at 9:13 am
    that whole 400 feet David effing Robinson stalking dwight in a teacup needs to be a painted on on a gym ceiling ala Sistine chapel. I might draw this.

  • tavoris Posted: Oct.20 at 9:24 am
    Hard 2 argue with him at 5…considering his team SHOULD have disposed of the Lakers easily…interesting point about him only getting 12 shots a game too…he really needs to be at 19 or 20 for the Magic to be truly dominant-since no center in the leeague can slow him down. Maybe SVG will teach his players to throw the ball back to Howard after he kicks it out.

  • davidR Posted: Oct.20 at 9:35 am
    myles brown. damn!

  • Mike Posted: Oct.20 at 9:36 am
    Best write up yet. Howard got rated as the 5th best player in the league, and still got cut down to size. nothing on D-Rob or any of the others yet. nice.

  • davidR Posted: Oct.20 at 9:37 am
    beautiful write-up.

  • throwsticks Posted: Oct.20 at 9:39 am
    so are they going to actually write anymore? And Slam what is this list based on. If it is based on NEXT YEARS STATS you don’t think he’ll average at least 20-12?

  • PANAGIOTIS VASILOPOULOS Posted: Oct.20 at 9:40 am
    SUUUPER GUFFYYYY!!!!! Nothing against Dwight , he seems to be a good guy (no arrogance,iversonism, etc)and i like that kind of guys. At the same time being myself also a dunking fool (once upon a time….) i always love guys that have something new to present in this area. I also will agree with the fact that Howard is the most valuable big man for the NBA regular season(for whoever really thinks much of it…) and for fantasy/video games(hello Jukai!!!)….i am also happy that this guy is currently the best(or at least considered so) big man the U.S. team can put on the hardwood in serious competition….so, much love to Dwight BUT…: Pau>Dirk>Duncan>Yao>Pekovic>..>Bosh>..>Garnett>….Andersen>…Splitter>….Shaq>………….Howard>…………….Big Sofo>………

  • Brad Long Posted: Oct.20 at 9:43 am
    (Head explodes)

  • Cordeazy Posted: Oct.20 at 9:46 am
    howard ahead of duncan? i know they play different positions, so it’s tough to make comparisons, but…whaaaaaaaaat?

  • Jukai Posted: Oct.20 at 9:46 am
    I’m beginning to think Chris Anderson wont make this list… BrrrRRrrr…

  • NUPE Posted: Oct.20 at 9:46 am
    Great write-up!!! Now if the intent was to justify why Howard should NOT be in the top 5, then this made a strong case. I like Howard and agree that he should dominate over any center/forward he plays. The only excuse I can find for him is his coach. SVG is trying to run a more balanced attack with his inside and outside players which I can appreciate. The magic have 4 (i think) of the top 50 players according to Slam. That’s a lot of talent to use. So not always runnng the offense through Howard does not make Howard any less valuable, it’s just using the entire team instead of just a part of it. If the Mage change concept, which I doube they will, Howard could put up true monster numbers deserving to be top 5. But if this ranking is about expected production next year, I just don’t see Howard as #5.

  • tavoris Posted: Oct.20 at 9:49 am
    NUPE, good point, but it sux tha tthe teams leading scorer has four other players who shoot more than he. In the preseason so far, there are 6 players who have taken more shots than Howard-including Ryan Anderson and J.J Redick…SVG needs balance, but he really needs to get Howard more opportunities. The post game isn’t gonna improve any other way.

  • NUPE Posted: Oct.20 at 9:52 am
    Great write-up!!! Now if the intent was to justify why Howard should NOT be in the top 5, then this made a strong case. I like Howard and agree that he should dominate over any center/forward he plays. However he is on such a balance team with 4 (i think) of the top 50 players according to Slam. That’s a lot of talent to use. So not always runnng the offense through Howard does not make Howard any less valuable, it’s just using the entire team instead of just a part of it (ala how the Cavs use Bron). If the Mage change concept, which I doube they will, Howard could put up true monster numbers deserving to be top 5. But that ain’t gonna happen.

  • NUPE Posted: Oct.20 at 9:54 am
    One thing can improve his post game - practice. He has Ewing to help him, maybe he can get Kareem too since Bynum doesn’t need anymore help.

  • Jukai Posted: Oct.20 at 10:01 am
    NUPE: The justification for Howard being in the top ten came at the last sentence: the idea of the writeup (which was pure genius) was that Howard WASN’T a top five player last year and that he had many flaws in his game– Myles suggested that Howard knows what his flaws are and that he worked hard to improve them during the off-season, and that he will come back and be more David Robinson like.
    I mean, really great write-up.

  • Aussie Boy Posted: Oct.20 at 10:02 am
    Dwight should go out and average 25pt-15rb-5ast-3stl-5blk

  • Joel O's Posted: Oct.20 at 10:02 am
    Dwight and Duncan do not play different positions.

  • sam raphael chadwick Posted: Oct.20 at 10:06 am
    That was a great article and i definatly see dwight as a not so great offencive threat, he has such great athleticism and strength its sad to see how little post game he has, if only he had the kind of coaching that ANDREW BYNUM has given up with Kareem if dwight had a hook shot or any of the range of shots kareem had he could score in the 30’s every night!

  • tavoris Posted: Oct.20 at 10:07 am
    true…still sucks that the teams leading-and most efficient-scorer is the teams fifth option. If Howard was getting 17-18 shots (like he should-even w/o post moves) he’d be close to 30ppg, and every opposing big would be in foul trouble by the end of the first quarter. Lewis, Turk, Nelson, and Alston jacking up 3’s is great and entertaining, but it doesn’t make anybody play defense-plus it limits the teams offensive rebounding opportunities & hinders their transition defense.

  • phil Posted: Oct.20 at 10:10 am
    if dwight was on a team without carter/nelson/lewis he would be averaging 25 or so PPG

  • Jukai Posted: Oct.20 at 10:20 am
    I’m not sure Dwight could average 30 points and keep up the percentages he’s shooting. Twenty five or so is believable. Once you start getting to thirty, I mean, that’s really much harder that it sounds

  • Simon S.Y Lawy Posted: Oct.20 at 10:20 am
    where’s ma man Cap jax …

  • tavoris Posted: Oct.20 at 10:39 am
    Jukai..it is hard… but he definitely STILL needs more touches.

  • South-African-hoodsnake Posted: Oct.20 at 10:40 am
    The least developed of the top 5. But then again the youngest also(albeit by 7 months) if it wasent 4 the rebounding crown then i would hav called him a one-trick-pony. Nice to see a DPOY on the list though

  • sab Posted: Oct.20 at 10:46 am
    apart from three seperate spelling mistakes with ’s, i loved the write-up, though in the light of Duncan’s 5 lines yesterday, it seems a bit long. i know, i know, i probably just spelt separate wrong. almost certainly have now, actually….

  • sab Posted: Oct.20 at 10:50 am
    as for the position, i’ve no problem with it. he’s clearly flawed as a player, but clearly an absolute beast in so many ways too. top 5 in terms of impact in the league. no doubt that Duncan is a better all-round player, and has had a better career. but if i was, for example, building a team on NBA2K, i’d probably have Howard as my first-choice center.

  • Clark Posted: Oct.20 at 11:09 am
    I don’t see why people want Howard to average 30ppg. I agree he needs more than one post move (run around the opposing center for a hook shot?), but I would be fine with him averaging 20 ppg and focusing more on defense then averaging 30ppg and using so much energy on offense that his defense lacks. Why not shoot three’s when if you miss Dwight has a pretty good chance of slamming it back home?

  • niQ Posted: Oct.20 at 11:16 am
    LOL. That was a great read. I actually thought it was a true story for about half of it. Silly me.

  • Jukai Posted: Oct.20 at 11:17 am
    Tavoris: I agree man, and I think with the new look Magic, he will. It made SENSE for Dwight to limit his shots and let the perimeter shoot the lights out: they were always open BECAUSE of Dwight. Since Hedo and Lee are gone and replaced with inside forces like Carter and Bass (who wont necessarily just be waiting for kick outs from their center), I assume Dwight will be scoring more for himself and the team will work more by kicking it into Dwight.
    Plus Nelson + White Chocolate will give Dwight more touches than shoot-first-Alston.
    Again though, if his offense doesn’t improve (ie stop depending on that same old spin move, righty hook shot, and garbage baskets) he wont be able to score 25, much less 30, without dipping out of the 50% shooting range.
    I think Dwight’s percentages will drop regardless though, since the floor will be more compact with less shooters.

  • Jukai Posted: Oct.20 at 11:18 am
    And before you correct me about Vince, he doesn’t spot up shoot threes, he dribbles for 10 seconds and shoots a three, so Dwight can’t kick out to him

  • tavoris Posted: Oct.20 at 11:20 am
    Clark, long jump shots usually result in long rebounds…if Howard doesn’t get the offensive board, then the magic have to hustle extra hard back on defense…additionally, when players are jacking up long Js, the D really doesn’t have to do anything but contest the shot. getting in the paint makes players have to move, react, box out, and hustle. Additionally, it makes players have to foul more frequently (which thins out the opposing lineup). He doesn’t have to get 30, but he needs to get the opportunity to use his size & athleticism to greatest effect. The fact that the outside-in method didn’t work in the Finals (The Lakers had-and still have-two elite wing defenders) should drive that point home.

  • rikson Posted: Oct.20 at 11:23 am
    Dont get me wrong - howards a beast! But to me, he is an example, whats going wrong with bb at the moment. Because he is JUST an athletic freak! No basketball player! He has no feel for the ball - heck - he cant even shoot the ball…. makes me kind of sad :-(

  • tealish Posted: Oct.20 at 11:25 am
    Dwight will never have Robinson’s skills. You cannot just pick them up in the offseason. Howard’s a guy you want to root for, but I just don’t see much improvement coming from him. He seems like he’ll forever be a 20 and 12 force while lacking the offensive skills to be remotely effective down the stretch. I want to be wrong, but I doubt it. There is just nothing there besides power. And that’s not terrible. He can live off power for the first 40 minutes and be a defensive force for 48.

  • tealish Posted: Oct.20 at 11:27 am
    Jukai: Vince spots up for threes a lot as well. He shoots every type of three ball. Coming off screen, off the dribble, spotting up. He really has all the tools.

  • rog123 Posted: Oct.20 at 11:30 am
    71 points. Now that’s legit!

  • Omar3 Posted: Oct.20 at 11:32 am
    Why didn’t Timmy get this much love?
    ANSWER ME!!!

  • SLAM ONLINE | » Hot Topics? Posted: Oct.20 at 11:40 am
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  • tavoris Posted: Oct.20 at 11:42 am
    Omar, it’s because people think Duncan is old and creaky…while he’s older, he’s been ridiculously durable his whole career

  • jeremy Posted: Oct.20 at 11:44 am
    this was seriously difficult to read. i haven’t felt so embarrassed for a writer since proof-reading student’s paper’s in english 101.

  • Simon S.Y Lawy Posted: Oct.20 at 11:44 am
    cause Timmy never a Press Boy … Press boy exp:
    Lebrooom james aka queen james , CP3, and superman .

  • Joel O's Posted: Oct.20 at 11:49 am
    @tealish: Dwight’s had five seasons already to develop his offensive game. You’re right - I think you’re either have that “knack” for having a post game, or you don’t, and I think he doesn’t too. Didn’t we hear he was adding short/mid-range jump shot a summer or two ago?

  • cb 34 Posted: Oct.20 at 11:50 am
    @jukai: Vince is one of the most versatile in the league. He shoots threes any which way. What are you talking about?

  • Allenp Posted: Oct.20 at 11:55 am
    That was a funny story Myles. I actually thought those earlier quotes had been taken from David Robinson’s Hall of Fame speech because they sounded exactly like something he would have said.
    And comparing Dwight Howard to David Robinson is criminal. Just criminal.

  • Wayno Posted: Oct.20 at 12:01 pm
    Regardless of the guys flaws, Dwight gets it done an is a pure beast, granted he’s not the most clutch player in the league, but generally speaking the clutch players on a team are the perimeter player which he has plenty of. Outside of Tim Duncan and maybe a couple other bigs, interior players are there to put of the last shot in a game. The guy is an absolute beast defensivly and gets ALOT of hustle points. Even if his offensve repertoire doesn’t expand that much, he’s still gonna be top five this season. Not having those offensive skills is going to effect him the most is when he gets older and less athletic and has to use his brains on offense as opposed to his current “I’m gonna dunk on you no matter how you try to gaurd me” offense. As for right now though, He’s the most dominant big in the league, period.

  • cb 34 Posted: Oct.20 at 12:03 pm
    The spurs kept feeding him for his 71 pts and they were playing the clips. Shaq got 60 or something and they wanted to make sure david won the scoring title. It’s not like kob’s 81 or mike’s 63 where they just went off. The gameplan was to get him the ball all night and get the scoring title. An incredible feat nonetheless.

  • Wayno Posted: Oct.20 at 12:06 pm
    Yeah, I don’t really care how or why a player gets 71 pts in a game….it’s 71 freaking points in 48 minutes…rediculous.

  • Kas Posted: Oct.20 at 12:17 pm
    Is this supposed to be good writing? Is this supposed to be funny? Is this supposed to explain why dwight is number 5 on this? Worst piece of crap I’ve ever seen on these pages.

  • chiqo Posted: Oct.20 at 12:18 pm
    wow.

  • J.C. Posted: Oct.20 at 12:25 pm
    So this basically seemed like an argument for why Dwight SHOULDN’T be at number 5… In terms of the article, good points but it was far too long. I found myself scrolling down to see how much longer it was going to be because I just wanted to finish it.

  • Wayno Posted: Oct.20 at 12:37 pm
    so J.C., because you have a short attention span, it’s bad writing? This piece is solid, stop all the hate!

  • PANAGIOTIS VASILOPOULOS Posted: Oct.20 at 12:44 pm
    one of my most favorite/entertaining moments with the kids here is when they cannot figure out(like most video game “coaches”) the reason why a player that shoots with great percentages/efficiency (Nene, Biedrins, Howard,etc..) doesn’t get the ball more often to go for 30…..

  • tavoris Posted: Oct.20 at 12:54 pm
    Nene has had only ONE healthy season. no comparison. Biedrins plays in a system where there is no real need for inside scoring. Howard get more touches than both, but still far too few. You may not like the fact that Howard has limited offensive skills (so does your fave, Sofo), but that doesn’t change the fact that he is a matchup NIGHTMARE if the fed him moore often. On another note, please, stop trying to incite a reaction, PANAGIOTIS VASILOPOULOS. In case you haven’t realized (read below), that’s called “trolling”.

  • Allenp Posted: Oct.20 at 12:58 pm
    Tavoris
    I thought you weren’t going to waste anymore keystrokes on dude.
    You gotta stay strong homie.

  • tavoris Posted: Oct.20 at 12:58 pm
    we hve it figured out…SVG spends WAY too much time overcoaching the Magic. If you have a player as predictable-yet effective-as Howard, then you don’t need to coach much. I don’t care if all he does is dunk and jump-hooks…until the opposing big stops it, he should be fed. As it is, he gets probably 6 shots out of the offense, whereas the rest come off garbage points and offensive rebounds…that’s ridiculous for a 20pt scorer who doesn’t have a real challenger to his strength, quickness, and hops.

  • ENDS Posted: Oct.20 at 1:02 pm
    Still hasn’t reached full potentiall and has shown great strides. Top player at his position shouldve been number 4 cause I cant say CP3 (who is obviously next) is the top choice number one at his position (Derrick Rose anyone)

  • Anton Posted: Oct.20 at 1:05 pm
    It’s on me…to set an illegal moving screen for my brotherhood.

  • cb 34 Posted: Oct.20 at 1:08 pm
    @ tavoris: I agree that dwight needs more touches but you gotta understand how effective their offense was during the regular season. They were killing all the top teams. Part of the reason they weren’t feeding dwight was cause most of the time he didn’t have a go-to move. He should be getting 18 shots a game. It’s a catch 22

  • TADOne Posted: Oct.20 at 1:15 pm
    Right spot.

  • Russ Bengtson Posted: Oct.20 at 1:17 pm
    DAVID F*CKING ROBINSON

  • cb 34 Posted: Oct.20 at 1:24 pm
    David is actually overrated in my book. He never had the heart for the game. He loved piano more and he said basketball is just a job. He didn’t love it the way mike or magic did. Year he won mvp, hakeem tore him a new one. Even rodman said he lost respect for d-rob because he could see the fear in his eyes before they played hou. It was a duncan ring and he was fortunate enough to get one before he got out. Charles and karl deserved a ring far worse than david f*cking robinson as russ would say.

  • The Seed Posted: Oct.20 at 1:36 pm
    CB34 PLEASE READ!!!
    Career awards/accomplishments
    His list of awards and accomplishments is long and include a number of records as well as sharing a number of distinctions with very few other luminaries of the game; for his on the court play, he was named among the 50 Greatest Players in NBA History. NBA Champion (1999, 2003)
    NBA MVP (1995)
    NBA Defensive Player of the Year (1992)
    NBA Rookie of the Year (1990)
    All-NBA First Team (1991, ‘92, ‘95, ‘96)
    All-NBA Second Team (1994, ‘98)
    All-NBA Third Team (1990, ‘93, 2000, ‘01)
    All-Defensive First Team (1991, ‘92, ‘95, ‘96)
    All-Defensive Second Team (1990, ‘93, ‘94, ‘98)
    10-time NBA All-Star
    Only player in NBA history to win the Rebounding, Blocked Shots, and Scoring Titles and Rookie of the Year, Defensive Player of the Year and MVP
    One of only four players to have recorded a quadruple-double
    NBA Sportsmanship Award (2001)
    Third player in NBA history to rank among the league’s top 10 in five categories in one season (7th in scoring (23.2 ppg), 4th in rebounding (12.2 rpg), 1st in blocks (4.49 per game), 5th in steals (2.32 per game) and 7th in field-goal percentage (.551))
    First player in NBA history to rank among the top five in rebounding, blocks and steals (per game) in a single season[7]
    Fourth player ever to score 70+ in an NBA game
    3-time Olympian (1988, ‘92, ‘96)
    One of 50 Greatest Players in NBA History (1996)
    Led NBA in Scoring (1993–94 season) - 29.8 ppg
    Led NBA in Rebounding (1990–91 season) - 13.0 rpg
    Led NBA in Blocked Shots (1991–92 season) - 4.49 bpg
    Holds record for most IBM Awards (1990, ‘91, ‘94, ‘95, ‘96)
    His 10,497 rebounds and 2,954 blocked shots are the most by any player wearing a San Antonio Spurs jersey, and his 20,790 points are second most only to George Gervin’s 23,602. (Had only Gervin’s NBA numbers been taken into account, Robinson would be #1 in this category; Gervin scored 4,219 of his points while the franchise was in the American Basketball Association.)
    Gold Medal in 1986 FIBA World Championship.[13]
    Member of Dream Team #1 during Olympic Games at Barcelona.
    Elected into the Naismith Basketball Hall of Fame.
    Elected to the U.S. Olympic Hall of Fame Class of 2008 HE is very Overrated, Yet Right, I would take him over Shaq anyday. Plant that Seed!!!

  • tealish Posted: Oct.20 at 1:44 pm
    @CB34 Yeah man, and that dude Robinson even took a few years off basketball at the start of his career to deal with some other stuff I heard. No commitment, no heart.

  • cb 34 Posted: Oct.20 at 1:45 pm
    @ seed: I never said the dude wasn’t talented but he wasn’t even the most talented center in his time, hakeem and shaq were. When he won the ring , he was on the decline and it was apparent. Duncan bailed his a$$ out. He didn’t deserve it as far as i’m concerned cause he didn’t even love basketball and he said that. It just rubs me the wrong way. You’re crazy if you’re gonna take this piano-loving jerk over the shaq of the three-peat. That’s crazy talk. Go smoke some more seed.

  • Russ Bengtson Posted: Oct.20 at 1:49 pm
    Who was David Robinson’s best teammate before the Spurs got Duncan? I’ll wait.

  • cb 34 Posted: Oct.20 at 1:52 pm
    @ tealish: Yeah,he had no heart. He got by on pure talent cause dude was a freak of nature. I still remember clearly the 2 months they weren’t sure he was gonna be sent to desert storm or not. His numbers went down drastically and it was fun watching him because he was like a deer in headlights. He was different and dominant so that buys him a spot automatically as one of the all-time greats but he hardly did anything for that ring. Tim carried him all the way. He shouldn’t have won one.

  • The Seed Posted: Oct.20 at 1:53 pm
    @ CB34, I wonder if David Robinson played with the PLAYER OF THE DECADE, if he would have won more titles, and Shaq game stopped the Lakers, for the three peat was his best years, David Robinson had a more consistent career and never played with a talent until Tim Duncan. Really, so if you put Kobe as great as he was with David during those years, they do the same thing. Remeber Kobe went off on SA every year, average almost 30, and like Dwight-Shaq can’t hit free throws, so guess who had the ball at the end of games Kobe. Shaq was great, but when he finishes his career he will be just another center who dominated, plus don’t you think Shaq wasted his talent, never stayed in shape and lucked into a 4th title as a role player. So the seed I use is good, but piano loving jerk never said I will rest on Company Time, so what about that statement from the Big Stock Trader #34.

  • Russ Bengtson Posted: Oct.20 at 1:55 pm
    OK, I’ll give you names — Dennis Rodman, who made the All-NBA Third Team once despite being thoroughly insane, and Sean Elliott, a two-time All-Star mostly off the strength of playing with someone like Robinson inside. And whilst Duncan was the man on that ‘99 team, I think even he’d admit he couldn’t have done it without the Admiral.

  • tavoris Posted: Oct.20 at 2:02 pm
    Russ…don’t forget Willie Anderson and Vinny Del Negro…(kidding). @ Allenp, I couldn’t resist…that prick is always tryin to downplay the abilities of NBA players, while lauding those Euro-flops’ mediocre skills…Tiago Splitter, Sofo, Pekovic…puhleeze. Neither could beat Mikki Moore or Dalembert for a starting spot.

  • cb 34 Posted: Oct.20 at 2:06 pm
    @ russ: Sean is a great player and he never needed to play off of david. He would have gotten his either way. When they won everything in 99, everything was clicking for them in the playoffs including jaren jackson. Let’s not forget this is the shortened season so it’ll always have an asterisk bedide it. Doesn’t really count.His title in 2003 was a sham. They played a nets team that was simply overmatched and he was almost out the door. Like i said, he doesn’t deserve one.

  • Mo Posted: Oct.20 at 2:25 pm
    Man I know there’s gonna be some serious a** hatin goin on tomorrow.

  • tavoris Posted: Oct.20 at 2:30 pm
    Russ…didn’t Elliott get an All-Star appearance his one year in Detroit? A lot of people slept on him, but he was an excellent player. Robinson, on the other hand, was EVERYTHING. He could score, rebound, defend the ENTIRE paint, &run the floor better than EVERY other big in the league. Everyone remembers Hakeem giving it to him, but noone really notices how Admiral was-at his peak-the best center in basketball.

  • Levi Yeti Posted: Oct.20 at 2:31 pm
    you can only beat the teams u play and jukai must b the only person who knows about basketball

  • Chukaz Posted: Oct.20 at 2:32 pm
    really? this is not good. Not good at all. It’s a freakin joke.
    #4. Steve Blake, #3. Travis Outlaw, #2. Kenyon Dooling, #1. Marcin Gortat

  • cb 34 Posted: Oct.20 at 2:43 pm
    @ tavoris: When was he exactly the best center? Be specific please.

  • Anton Posted: Oct.20 at 2:51 pm
    Chukaz, don’t be a knucklehead.
    4. Larry Hughes
    3. Ben Wallace in zombie form
    2. Sun Yue
    1. Luke Walton’s stalker

  • cb 34 Posted: Oct.20 at 2:56 pm
    @ seed: Yeah that’s right, that’s shaq. I don’t agree with the rehab always on company time but i’ll take that any day along with the bad ft% and the days he’s just lugging around. That is still the most dominant big man to ever play the game. There isn’t any circumstance that i’d take d-rob over shaq. You really are crazy. And don’t give me that wilt and bill argument either. Shaq would have mowed them down just the same. Remember they never changed the rules for mike but they did for shaq because it was already unfair. Best big man ever no matter what the baggage. D-rob my a$$.

  • Allenp Posted: Oct.20 at 2:58 pm
    Tavoris
    If Robinson’s peak coincided with Hakeem’s peak, then he wasn’t the best center in basketball.
    Just being able to do more doesn’t make you better. Remember the discussion regarding Tim Duncan and Kevin Garnett a while back?

  • tavoris Posted: Oct.20 at 2:58 pm
    cb…I’d say from 90-91 to 93-94…

  • Allenp Posted: Oct.20 at 2:59 pm
    cb34
    They changed the rules for Kareem and Wilt as well.
    Just so you know.

  • tavoris Posted: Oct.20 at 3:01 pm
    Allenp, Hakeem was excellent during his career, but he peaked during Houston’s title years. Hakeem was just as versatile, but he didn’t control the lane quite like D-Rob…Robinson affected ALL shots from 15 feet in, not just layups and dunks.

  • Jukai Posted: Oct.20 at 3:02 pm
    Cb34: I’m sorry, but Shaq and Hakeem are in the top five best centers ever. Robinson is six or seven. If David Robinson played today, the numbers he’d get would be astronomical.

  • Russ Bengtson Posted: Oct.20 at 3:06 pm
    For the record, Elliott only made the All-Star game twice, both times as a Spur.

  • 360vue Posted: Oct.20 at 3:08 pm
    @tavoris and your early comments. you are quite simply as deluded as those who believe in the creation myth. Firstly, the magic should not have “easily disposed of the Lakers”, they weren’t even tipped to pass the Sixers, let alone progress to the finals. they blindsided their way to the last round. Also, if you believe a current TD is still better than a Dwight you are a bit of a ‘tard. Personally, TD is the greatest PF to have played, ahead of Malone or Barkley, he has pretty much definied what a modern PF is… Even now, he will guarantee you 18/10 with at a push a few blocks. However, even in spite of his very limited offensive ability, Howard could easily manage and more than likely exceed 25 ppg (a fact backed up by his touches to points ratio, and his fg%, if he worked on his sucky FTs he could manage in the region of 30+). Quite simply, Howard is indominatable inside, no-one can restrict him inside the key, unless they take him to the line, but you can’t do that all game or you’ll pick up your six and be on your way out of the arena. Additionally, Howard could quite easily manage 13rpg and 3bpg; all of which combined far outstrips Duncans output. No-one in the world of basketball is going to deny that TD is much more rounded player than dwight, he is mr fundamental ffs. Nevertheless, the sheer abundance of quality that superman does possess in his good attributes means he is a far more potent weapon than TD, thus the more than justifiable ranking. Dwight needs a lot of work on nearly a dozen aspects of his game, but that doesnt mean he is a worse player, if it does for you, you need to look at the bigger picture.

    @ PANAGIOTIS, normally i never intend any disrespect to people on this board, but your list of top PFs/Cs is the most moronic thing i have read in a long while. A long past it Shaq over dwight?!?! Whilst coincedentally 3 of your top 5 are European, two of which I would agree with, but one of whom isnt even in the L. THE BIGGEST LMFAO EVER. Tens of millions go into NBA scout networks, don’t you think they’d of picked up upon a 23year Center if he was a good as u say (and ive seen him for Serbia, he didnt even stand out)… over Bosh? over KG? over Dwight? over STAT? over Shaq? over West? over Smith? over Aldridge? over Boozer?

  • cb 34 Posted: Oct.20 at 3:10 pm
    @ allen: Yeah they changed the rules for wilt and kareem but we’re talking about the level of ball today. You don’t think shaq would have abused kareem like a red-headed stepchild. Wouldn’t even be close. D-rob had unique skills but he was never as dominant as shaq was.
    @ jukai: I never said he wasn’t talented. But that’s what i hate about him, he was too good to be ignored that he never really cared for it that much. He admitted to not loving basketball and how it’s just a job. Passion should be the one defining characteristic of an athlete. He never had it. He would much rather play the piano. On that talent alone, it got him to being one of the top 50 ever but i’m just not a fan of players not committed to their sport.

  • Russ Bengtson Posted: Oct.20 at 3:11 pm
    And for my money, with some focus and more touches, Da-White should definitely be in the MVP conversation next season. Which puts him in the top five. Plus he led the L in rebounds AND blocks last season, something Mr. Robinson never did (he led the L in both once, but not in the same season). Hakeem did it once. Shaq never led the League in either category. Ever.

  • cb 34 Posted: Oct.20 at 3:19 pm
    @ russ: Are you saying you would take d-rob over shaq any day?

  • Russ Bengtson Posted: Oct.20 at 3:20 pm
    No.

  • 360vue Posted: Oct.20 at 3:25 pm
    meant to say “Howard can quite easily manage 13rpg and 3bpg***”
    … really should proof read my comments

  • tavoris Posted: Oct.20 at 3:28 pm
    360vue…”creation myth”…so you have the ability to think and reason because of……wait for it….chance? Let’s not go there…and let’s-for fun-completely ignore everything else you wrote, since your comments about my post didn’t even relate to what I wrote. If you read this, you’d realize that I agree with you about Howard 100%.

  • Teddy-the-Bear Posted: Oct.20 at 3:34 pm
    Wilt Chamberlain > Shaq. You don’t even have to try and form a hypothetical comparison 1-on-1, because there are too many factors involved. How is anybody even arguing this?

  • tealish Posted: Oct.20 at 3:35 pm
    @CB4: I was being sarcastic.

  • tavoris Posted: Oct.20 at 3:35 pm
    Thanks, Russ…wasn’t sure about those ASG’s for Elliott…I remember the Pistons didn’t really want him, but he played well there nonetheless. @ cb…D-Rob never said that…he said-repeatedly-that basketball wasn’t his ONLY passion. Unlike many other players, Robinson had a full life before and after basketball. After college he had to serve in the Navy for 2 years. Of course he wasn’t a immature knucklehead that had nothing else but basketball. The fact that he carried himself with CLASS his whole career seems to make it seem like he wasn’t committed (which was alluded to above by Myles). The fact that he 1)stayed with the Spurs when he coulda got more money elsewhere, 2)mentored Duncan and didn’t get in his way, and most importantly 3)accepted a lesser role on the Spurs to make them a better TEAM all prove his commitment to basketball better than screaming of self-serving ever could.

  • Teddy-the-Bear Posted: Oct.20 at 3:37 pm
    Kareem > Shaq. I’d like to see Shaq try and stop the sky-hook.
    Shaq’s best post move? The offensive foul.

  • tavoris Posted: Oct.20 at 3:41 pm
    Teddy, Shaq (love him) stopped playing defense 12 seasons ago…

  • Lz - Cphfinest 3 Posted: Oct.20 at 3:43 pm
    Seed; As nice as DRob was he was no Shaq, eg. all dominant force on the hardwood. Awesome Myles, just awesome. Howard might be young going into his sixth season, but taken into account that he has had NBA coaches, trainers, staff, and even former superbig Pat Ewing doing everything in their power for that same period to groom Howard’s offensive game, it is just sad that he is such a simple offensive player. Although a beast on D and a physical specimen, his offensive showing against the Lakers just framed that he is NOT top 5 (or probably even 10)in the NBA. With that body and all those shooters around him he should have easily averaged more than 15,4 ppg on less than 50% shooting against Gasol & co. Who just the year before were outmuscled by KG and Perk. Howard will never be more than a bigger, stronger slightly more sophisticated Ben Wallace imo.

  • Hum Posted: Oct.20 at 3:58 pm
    Is Yao Ming next?

  • Jukai Posted: Oct.20 at 4:03 pm
    cb34: I was going to debate you honestly and fairly, but then you said Shaq would abuse the best offensive center that has ever laced up his shoes, and I realized you’re more gone than the greek guy.
    So, have fun debating with yourself

  • Jukai Posted: Oct.20 at 4:06 pm
    And stop saying he’d rather play the piano! Stop using one quote to justify your entire flawed argument! Did you ever freaking watch Robinson? Did you watch basketball past 2005? That dude played the game hard, he didn’t lax off, he didn’t stop training, he played hard, and he played to win. Did he like playing the piano more? I don’t know! That doesn’t mean he didn’t put his all into playing the game of basketball and carrying his atrocious team every freaking year!
    Just cut it out, you sound like a broken record.

  • tavoris Posted: Oct.20 at 4:18 pm
    I don’t kno why he’s looked down on for being a well-rounded person…dude put an ENTIRE FREAKING SCHOOL through college…on his dime…quietly.

  • 360vue Posted: Oct.20 at 4:19 pm
    tavoris i humbly apologise, i actually mistakenly attributed a comment to you. but my argument still stands for any who would place TD above Dwight, which numerous do.
    Oh and my creation myth reference is regarding the book of Genesis, with its pages frequently referred to by Christians and Judaists as the ’story of creation’; a book which is riddled with pure delusion. If you acknowledge evolution, which is an empirical fact, and believe God initiated the whole process billions of years ago then thats fine, thats your personal intution and no one can argue otherwise because there isnt anything to say otherwise. Anyway im not on this board to discuss religion so im not going to say anything more but again reiterate my apology for my confusion of poster’s

  • Russ Bengtson Posted: Oct.20 at 4:20 pm
    I’m not sure where exactly David Robinson slots into the all-time great centers discussion, but I know he’s in the top 10. And whilst Hakeem ate him alive the same series he won MVP, that didn’t mean he was entirely undeserving of the award. Dude finished in the top three of the MVP voting FIVE separate times during the Jordan/Olajuwon/Shaq era. That’s not too shabby. And he made All-NBA First Team and All Defensive First Team four times each.

  • Russ Bengtson Posted: Oct.20 at 4:27 pm
    And he was a 74 percent free-throw shooter for his career.

  • tavoris Posted: Oct.20 at 4:35 pm
    Russ, when a center makes the All-NBA first team, isn’t that supposed to mean he was the best player at his position that year? People tend to forget those who haven’t been around for a while. Jordan seems to be the only exception to that rule.

  • ENDS Posted: Oct.20 at 4:45 pm
    Now a little too much cursing for some one who is talking about making a good name/image and being christ-like

  • Allenp Posted: Oct.20 at 4:47 pm
    I agree with Tavoris. David Robinson had a much more important impact on the world than most NBA players, particularly a certain bitter and drunken former shooting guard.
    Now, did dude seem too nice at times, yeah, he did. Did he seem like the pressure might have gotten to him on occasion, sure. But the same can be said for players like Lebron and KG and neither of them has accomplished what Robinson accomplished both on and off the court.
    Bottom line is that Myles is exactly right, Dwight Howard should never, EVER be compared to David Robinson strictly based on their skills. It’s just a stupid comparision, like comparing Adam Morrison to Larry Bird.
    And the people who think Shaq would just abuse Wilt Chamberlain…Well, we had this argument on the top 50 of all time list Slam put up a while back.

  • doyouwantmore Posted: Oct.20 at 4:48 pm
    Great article. It’s easy to forget how young Dwight is.

  • doyouwantmore Posted: Oct.20 at 4:48 pm
    Why is swearing blocked out of the comments but not the articles?

  • ENDS Posted: Oct.20 at 4:53 pm
    and that MJ line I was almost shocked to hear it untill DRobb started becoming Godshira, then it hit that it was all a dream.

  • tavoris Posted: Oct.20 at 4:53 pm
    doyouwantmore, because the writers of the articles have journalistic freedoms us mere commenters don’t enjoy.

  • tavoris Posted: Oct.20 at 4:56 pm
    360vue..don’t sweat it…

  • PANAGIOTIS VASILOPOULOS Posted: Oct.20 at 5:30 pm
    @tavoris…..:after your 12:58pm you made it clear that with you i would have to start from zero(unfortunatelly i don’t have that time)….and please follow Allenp’s advice (or just stop being self-contradicting)…..
    @360vue……:you write “and ive seen him for Serbia, he didnt even stand out”. Great and i saw Gasol for China…..some of you are so s….d (count them hursty) that i really think that you are writing those things intentional….at the same time this ain’t a new trend, it is quite usual here, you generally like to make affirmations for players that you don’t even know their existence before i mention them….the leader of course is Jukai whose comments on Belov and Siskauskas were pure entertainment (at least he quickly aknowledged his monumental stu…..y by saying that “sorry, i just found out that Belov was voted greatest player in the history of FIBA over Drazen,Sabonis etc, he must be a good one..!!” ….for those gems he is one of my favorites)
    @Russ…..:greatest teamate David Robinson ever had before Duncan is Žarko Paspalj() hands down. Unfortunatelly for David he had him for just a year. Zarko(current vice-president of the Serbian Olympic Committee and captain of the team that took to the limit U.S. in the 1996 final before Divac was sent out and David Robinson ate alive a young Zeliko Rebraca) answered why he didn’t stay in the NBA many years later by saying: “i was afraid about my health, they were giving us loads of chemicals and nobody was saying a thing”….(S.Elliott barely survived by the way….)

  • fireman10101 Posted: Oct.20 at 5:30 pm
    Good spot. A lil off topic but did yall see that the nba is close to a deal wit da old refs. That’s from all the money they robbed the coaches of. It seems like people in the league has lost their freedom of speech huh. Sorry for the off topic comment

  • kay_nock Posted: Oct.20 at 5:50 pm
    K.G.? I’d tear right through that motherfucker! thats gold.. funny stuff…big david robinson fan. If Dwight can only get half of Robo’s post moves his going to dominate.

  • Steve Posted: Oct.20 at 6:05 pm
    Duncan should have been 3rd. Centers of the 1990’s
    1. Shaq
    2. Hakeem
    3. Robinson
    4. Ewing
    5. Ostertag (lol)

  • B-Moore Posted: Oct.20 at 6:12 pm
    4: Sun Yue
    3: Larry Hughes
    2: Isiah Rider
    1: Steve Kerr
    @ PANAGIOTIS VASILOPOULOS I don’t know what you’ve inhaled.. but you should stop it now.. You seem to always be arguing that FIBA players are somehow better than NBA players.. if you would kindly direct your attention to Beijing 2008……..

  • Teddy-the-Bear Posted: Oct.20 at 6:39 pm
    Healthy Yao Ming > Dwight Howard.
    Dwight Howard > Pau Gasol
    Hard to gauge where Tim Duncan is though. He’s obviously better than Pau. But Howard is really still young.

  • Teddy-the-Bear Posted: Oct.20 at 6:49 pm
    90’s Centers:
    1. Hakeem
    2. Shaq
    3. Robinson
    4. Ewing
    5. Alonzo
    6. Mutumbo
    7. Rik Smits
    8. Arvydas Sabonis (He would probably be higher but we hadn’t seen him in the NBA until years after his prime).
    Am I missing anyone? The top 6 are all hall of fame bound and all candidates for NBA’s Greatest 50.

  • Teddy-the-Bear Posted: Oct.20 at 6:50 pm
    There had to have been a center better than Rik Smits who I am leaving off, right?

  • Teddy-the-Bear Posted: Oct.20 at 6:52 pm
    I like Ewing so much I think I’ll have him ahead of Robinson, personally. So I might switch their order on the list. I know its not a popular thought but that’s just me.

  • Teddy-the-Bear Posted: Oct.20 at 6:55 pm
    Hakeem the Dream is pretty much the undisputed greatest 90’s center. He gave every single player below him the business, especially Shaq, Robinson, and Ewing. So yes…

  • monkeyball Posted: Oct.20 at 9:12 pm
    Teddy the Bear: How about Brad Daugherty. He had a couple of All-Star seasons in Cleveland. Mark Eaton: greatest (and most one-dimensional) shot-blocker ever. And don’t forget that Robert Parish and Bill Laimbeer played the ends of the careers in the 90’s (and won titles in that decade). Finally, I can’t believe you left out the legendary Jon Koncak.

  • Jukai Posted: Oct.20 at 9:25 pm
    Spanny: ah, the name spotting, it’s grand to be admired even by kids in Europe.
    I did admit to my mistake with Belov… dude was never allowed to play in the NBA, but from what I understand, he was like the Russian Rick Barry. I just didn’t recognize his name at first. I can’t personally comment on his game or add him to any list I make, but from what I’ve read, every single US dude who played him said the guy just tore it up. So I’ll allow your idolization of him.
    Siskauskas is straight dumb though. Dude’s all hands and feet, he’s more athletic than he is anything else (which you hate) but because he’s pulled a Vince Carter in the last few years (IE chucking it up every chance he gets instead of taking it to the hole, where he’s more valuable) you’ve fallen in love with him. Typical.
    Don’t get me wrong, Siskauskas would be a fringe all-star in America, but only because he’s so damn athletic. Not really for his game smarts.
    I see your really down on Big Sofo after his absolute failure to dominate coming to America. Another lost crush, eh?

  • Jukai Posted: Oct.20 at 9:36 pm
    1. Wilt Chamberlain
    2. Kareem Abdul Jabbar
    3. Bill Russell
    4. Hakeem Olajuon
    5. Shaq
    6. Moses Malone
    7. David Robinson
    8. Bill Walton
    9. Patrick Ewing
    10. Arvydas Sabonis
    11. Willis Reed
    11. Artis Gilmore
    12. Walt Bellamy
    13. Wes Unseld
    14. Nate Thurmond
    15. Dave Cowens
    16. Wes Unseld
    17. Dan Issel
    18. Bob Lanier
    19. Dikembe Mutumbo
    20. Robert ParishMark Eaton/Alanzo Mourning/Rick Smits/Vlade Divac

  • Teddy-the-Bear Posted: Oct.20 at 11:18 pm
    Good list, Jukai. I pretty much agree with most of it, but Patrick Ewing had a better career than Bill Walton. Walton had a huge ceiling that he never reached due to injury, and its a shame, but be fair. I know you’re a fan of the guy, but Patrick Ewing averaged 28 and 10 with 4 blocks per game… And had a string of consecutive seasons averaging 20+ ppg and 10+ rpg with 2+ bpg. Walton’s highest ppg total was 18. Again, he would have dominated the league had he not been injured.
    Also, why Arvydas Sabonis ahead of Willis Reed?!

  • Teddy-the-Bear Posted: Oct.20 at 11:22 pm
    Looking at Moses Malone, one could argue his placement above Shaq… Not that I want to h@te on Shaq or anything like that. Anyone agree?

  • Bathala Posted: Oct.20 at 11:23 pm
    Freakingly good write up man! Hopefully the future features will be similar. Man o man! D-Rob in the article was right: Dwight needs to step up if he wants to be compared to the all time greats.

  • Mack Posted: Oct.21 at 12:32 am
    Three things:
    1. This article is incredible 2. Dwight Howard ought to avergae 25-16 with a few assists, a steal and 4 blocks a night. No excuses. He’s too much to handle for 98% of the league. 3. Top 4 should be CP3, then Kobe, then Wade, then Bron. Wade is officially better than Kobe, barring an injury. You cannot doubt it or argue against it, it is fact.

  • Pardeep Posted: Oct.21 at 12:56 am
    This is the best article in the top 50 so far.

  • Steve Posted: Oct.21 at 1:29 am
    love it when morons provide an opinion and then declare it to be fact … nice work chief

  • Steve Posted: Oct.21 at 1:42 am
    Jukai, is that list based on NBA play or all play? If only NBA the Arvydas should be way down and perhaps not on this at all. If all play then you have to wonder whether there were other Euro’s who may have been good enough back in the day but were barred from coming. Just because we didn’t see them doesn’t mean they weren’t there! Also is it based on who would beat who today or is it generationally adjusted? I.e. If adjusted then leaving out Mikan is inexcusable, but if based on them playing at their best today then it is somewhat understandable … but at the same time Mourning and Dikembe would have been too much to handle for guys like Issel and Cowens. Lists across generations are hard, if not impossible to do, so I think you have done a good job. On NBA play alone, assuming NBA best form played today, and only using your 20 I would re-rank as follows: 1. Wilt Chamberlain
    2. Kareem Abdul Jabbar
    3. Bill Russell
    4. Shaq
    5. Dream
    6. Malone
    7. Robinson
    8. Walton
    9. Patrick Ewing
    10. Reed
    11. Thurmond
    11. Gilmore
    12. Bellamy
    13. Unseld
    14. Sabonis
    15. Mutombo
    16. Unseld
    17. Mourning
    18. Cowens
    19. Issel
    20. Divac

  • PANAGIOTIS VASILOPOULOS Posted: Oct.21 at 2:54 am
    @Teddy………:you write towards Jukai “Also, why Arvydas Sabonis ahead of Willis Reed?! ” ANSWER: cause he is doing the homework i’am giving him….same should do the rest of you(wait till he starts puting Belov in his all time lists…).

  • PANAGOPOULOS PIZZA Posted: Oct.21 at 3:21 am
    @Teddy………: your top 90’s big men list is good if you keep Ewing where he is….he was not nicer than DRob. OTHERWISE: Nice list!!!(extra points for making a 90’s list because you have watched the players and not an all-time based on numbers emphasis unlike many of the kids here with their video game aspirations…..)

  • BIRDMAN JR Posted: Oct.21 at 3:36 am
    Mack is 100 with his statement. wade is actually on par with kobe if not better. But kobe crazies will tell you otherwise without stating numbers to back up the bs talk. this list is about what an individual does on the court not what his team does. there’s a difference. It is also hilarious hearing those same people bashing shaq and what he did for the lakers. This man was the main reason the lakes won those championship let alone three in a row. These same fans that are infatuated with gasol now will downplay his role with helping kobe win the chip. People also downplay pippen’s huge role with the bulls chips. Your bozo the clown if your think that jordan would have even won two chips let alone six with some other player than pippen. No man has and never will win the chip by his self. Don’t bring up wade because I remember Zo taking over down the strech of gm 6, who ever watched the game know what I’m talking bout.

  • rikson Posted: Oct.21 at 3:47 am
    Is the greek dude a missionary?! Seems like he is on a holy battle to defend his beloved europe players… I cant hear it anymore - and I am from europe!

  • rikson Posted: Oct.21 at 3:54 am
    I absolutely love wades game, dont get me wrong. But down the stretch in clutch situations a good and consistent J is still the best weapon. And kobe has the best shooting touch in the league right now - thats why I put him first on the list!

  • PANAGIOTIS VASILOPOULOS Posted: Oct.21 at 4:00 am
    @Steve…..:you write “On NBA play alone” and you have Sabonis over Mourning,Divac,Unseld etc..?? Sabonis shouldn’t even be top-50 all-time for NBA play. The guy arrived at the league barely able to walk and he used to move like Ewing between 88-89(that is AFTER he had the first torn achiles. Before this he was one of the freakiest freaks of nature you’ve ever seen).

  • PANAGIOTIS VASILOPOULOS Posted: Oct.21 at 4:04 am
    @PANAG PIZZA….: !!!!!! (pou exeis magazi re alani??)

  • Hursty Posted: Oct.21 at 5:27 am
    PANAGIOTIS VASILOPOULOS - If only you know haha.
    Dwyane Wade should be ranked at number 2 over Bryant and Paul btw.

  • biggy Posted: Oct.21 at 5:48 am
    you cannot put walton in front of ewing.
    walton was agreat talent but had a couple good seasons.
    ewing avg 20 10 for 13 seasons. stats arent everything but c’mon

  • biggy Posted: Oct.21 at 5:48 am
    you cannot put walton in front of ewing.
    walton was agreat talent but had a couple good seasons.
    ewing avg 20 10 for 13 seasons. stats arent everything but c’mon

  • biggy Posted: Oct.21 at 5:48 am
    you cannot put walton in front of ewing.
    walton was agreat talent but had a couple good seasons.
    ewing avg 20 10 for 13 seasons. stats arent everything but c’mon

  • biggy Posted: Oct.21 at 5:48 am
    you cannot put walton in front of ewing.
    walton was agreat talent but had a couple good seasons.
    ewing avg 20 10 for 13 seasons. stats arent everything but c’mon

  • Michael NZ Posted: Oct.21 at 6:06 am
    Great article. Anymore who b!tches about it being to long: you are EXACTLY what’s wrong with this world.
    ___
    For what its worth, I’m taking Duncan over Dwight for the 09/10 season all day, every day. Its not even all that close either.

  • wowski Posted: Oct.21 at 7:47 am
    you mentioned zarko as the admiral’s best teammate for a year. I agree, his body would not have lasted had he played in the NBA for 10 years. His ass would have taken a beating for riding the bench hard. He hardly got off the bench to give his ass a rest. Not to mention his allergic reaction to defense… The guy must have been in intense pain thats why he left.

  • Jukai Posted: Oct.21 at 9:26 am
    Teddy: I am a huge fan of Walton because I’ve watched a LOT of his game footage. He absolutely would annihilate other centers with skills that aren’t typically used: Passing, Russell-eque defensive mind games, tempo control… all in incredibly limited minutes. And yeah, career wise, Ewing was superior, and I’m probably ignoring that factor a bit too much (in that light, Ewing deserves to be over Walton). However, I truly believe Walton was better than Ewing at his height in every category but scoring— a better rebounder, passer, defender, teammate, leader, everything! Some of those, not by much, but Walton definitely takes the cake… and he lead his team to a championship and got an MVP! Still, you’re right, I probably should throw Ewing over Walton because of Walton’s inability to stay health (as I cut Alanzo Mourning short on that, and Mourning was probably even HEALTHIER than Walton).
    Sabonis is over Reed because a) Sabonis was insanely good. Every single Olympian who played against him couldn’t believe how good their soviet center was… and unlike other ‘fake’ superstars who Spanny idolizes that tried out for the NBA but couldn’t make it, Sabonis would have been a top dog in the NBA but wasn’t allowed to because the USSR would have killed his family. But it’s more than that… I just think Willis Reed was a bit overrated. Reed is my Dad’s favorite player, he has some recorded footage from the games he went to as a child, and nothing Reed did impressed me, really. I think Reed gets a lot of credit for his amazing walk-on game seven more than anything else.

  • Jukai Posted: Oct.21 at 9:36 am
    Steve: Dikembe could not score on Issell and Cowens. Have you seen him play? He is a REALLY BAD offensive center. It has nothing to do with his height.. he really is that bad! I watched him! I think I was more fundamentally sound than he was in the post!
    You’re right though, it is hard to gauge things, and it’s sort of unfair how I cut Mikan short but not other old dogs.. but when Chamberlain and
    To my knowledge, Sabonis was the only really good center who was barred from playing in the states because of the USSR. Everyone else was allowed to play in the league, but couldn’t… I mean, if you look at the Euroleagues from 1984-1999, it was all Sabonis: he was literally winning MVP everywhere he went. He dominated the league, he WRECKED it. He was an NBA-level player playing in leagues which weren’t up-to-par at the time. That’s why he’s so high.
    Your list on ‘if they played today’ isn’t bad though, and it’s actually not really that different than mine. I think you’re underrating Cowens: his passing and leadership would put him higher on your list… and I’d drop Mutumbo… raise Sabonis.. but other than that, it’s a pretty good list. When you’re rating all-time, there’s a LOT of wiggle room.

  • cb 34 Posted: Oct.21 at 11:40 am
    @ jukai: You’re the moron if you don’t think shaq was the most dominant center to ever play. You could make an argument for wilt,hakeem and bill but they’re all debatable. Just don’t tell me d-rob is better becuase that’s crap.

  • Teddy-the-Bear Posted: Oct.21 at 12:54 pm
    Come on cb34. Shaq was dominant but Wilt Chamberlain literally shredded the league. 50 and 25? I mean come on now.
    Shaq’s skills might have actually been better in his Orlando days. I actually saw him hit a few turn around jumpers!

  • monkeyball Posted: Oct.21 at 1:14 pm
    Shaq would’ve scored as much as Wilt if he’d played 48 minutes a game and shot as many shots. They have similar FG and FT percentages. Both great passers. There are two big knocks on Shaq in my opinion: 1) underachieving rebounder, and 2) bad teammate (though word has always been that Wilt and Kareem were hard to get along with).

  • jbn74sb Posted: Oct.21 at 1:51 pm
    Nice work, dude.

  • Felix Posted: Oct.21 at 4:02 pm
    thank you. “I am David Robinson and so I know for damn sure that you’re no David Fucking Robinson!”, this shit made my day. hilarious.

  • alx Posted: Oct.22 at 10:52 pm
    WHERE IS YAO MING??????¿¿¿¿¿¿¿¿¿¿

  • juliocoolio Posted: Oct.23 at 1:13 am
    DWIGHT HOWARD IS DEFINITELY ONE OF THE BEST OFFENSIVE AND DEFENSIVE PLAYERS IN THE LEAGUE NO DOUBT!!!

  • Akash Posted: Oct.31 at 5:25 pm
    How come he’s number 5?He should be higher because he lead the NBA in Blocks,Rebounds and was either 2ND or 3RD behind Davis Lee in Double Doubles.In one game he finished the first quarter with 11 points and 12 rebounds in another in 27 minutes he had 24 points and 9 rebounds.In his game against the Nets on Friday he had 20 points and and 22 rebounds.What?I watched NBA Gametime on NBATV.This might be too personal but I am only 11 years old.

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