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Saturday, October 23rd, 2010 at 2:00 pm  |  412 responses

Top 50: LeBron James, no. 1

The definitive ranking of the NBA’s best players.

by Ben Osborne / @bosborne17

First off, I voted LeBron 1, Kobe 2, KD 3 and DWade 4, and any internal debates I had about that ranking centered around slots 2-4. I think LeBron was easily the best player in the League the last two regular seasons, and while I hated what happened in the Celtics series like everybody else, in retrospect we know he was dealing with some combination of a bad elbow, thinking about his future, brutal rumors about his mother, and, most of all, the fact that the Celtics provLeBron Jamesed in the following weeks that they were a lot better than anyone (other than perhaps die-hard fans such as our own Tzvi Twersky) thought.

Of course, as is noted on every single Top-50 post, these rankings aren’t about last year. They’re about this season. And when I think about LeBron, and this season, I actually bring my mind back to the first time I saw him play in person, a 2002 high school match-up between he and Carmelo (Bron was a junior, Melo a senior). I was at the game with LeBron expert Ryan Jones, who had prepped me for LeBron’s impressive size and scoring ability, but what I hadn’t comprehended before then was his court vision.

I saw a lot more of LeBron when he was a high school senior, and obviously watched the beginning of his NBA career very closely, and my first favorable impressions only grew. The positives were almost endless: incredible build, great leaping ability, good teammate, could score with ease in transition or half-court sets, took big shots…but none of it stuck to me like the passing. No matter his crappy teammates. No matter his obvious mismatches. If a guy is open, LeBron is going to find him. In many ways, even though the hype, the No. 23 on his jersey, the potential to be the “best in the game,” all conjured up thoughts of Michael Jordan, the essence of LeBron’s game — passing — was much closer to Magic Johnson’s.

Unfortunately for LeBron and his fans, by the standards of elite, championship-winning NBA teams, the collection of teammates he had the last few years stunk. Oh, sure, with the help of a solid defensive system and an interchangeable cast of role players who at least played hard, LeBron was able to overcome their deficiencies during the regular season.

Playing the bulk of his minutes when the defensive pressure on he and his teammates was low — blowout wins, regular-season games in general that don’t count for much — LeBron was able to conduct the Cavaliers offense like a maestro. He could play on the ball or off, make quick no-look passes or dribble for half the shotclock, sit on the perimeter or go inside, notch an assist or score almost whenever he needed to. The results? Frankly, remarkable.

Many of you may have forgotten these numbers in the wake of what transpired since, but LeBron averaged 29.7 points, 7.3 rebounds, 8.6 assists, 1.6 steals and 1 block per game last season for a 61-win team that played at one of the slowest paces in the League and whose second-best player was Mo Williams. Read that sentence again. And again. There’s a story on basketball-reference.com that was written July 2 asking how much losing LeBron would hurt the Cavs. The bulk of the story is mathematical jargon, but let me summarize for you: If the Cavs had an average NBA player last year in place of LeBron on the roster, the numbers and analysis crunch out something to the effect of 30 wins.

Understand: LeBron James took a team that, minus him, would win 30 games, and won 61. Much of the above narrative would hold true for the last five Cavs seasons.

Then, every year, the Playoffs started. Does LeBron get nervous? Can he not carry the weight? Critics seem to think so, but how do you explain Pistons Game 5 in ’07? The buzzer-beater against the Magic in ’09? The 35-9-7 average stat line in ’09? Shit, even last year, when he “failed” so badly, LeBron averaged 29-9-8 over the postseason. For his career, his per-game playoff averages are 29-8-7 (with a bunch of blocks and steals thrown in for good measure). Are you fucking kidding me? Does that read like someone who chokes when the games matter more?

I refuse to have Kobe Bryant be a big part of this post, but for comparison’s sake, KB’s career playoff numbers are 26-5-5. The guy some other folks think can take LeBron’s crown, Kevin Durant, has never had a single playoff game as good as LeBron’s average playoff game.

It seems clear to me that the postseason is when the warts of LeBron’s teammates show up the clearest. There’s better pressure on the ball. Shooters get closed out on quicker. Rebounds are chased harder. When the stakes are high and every guy on the floor is playing his hardest, average players can become below-average. And below-average players can become downright useless. And who did LeBron have for teammates in Cleveland? A lot of average and below-average players whose games went down as the intensity went up.

And when LeBron is forced by his teammates’ poor play to not only be by far the best player on the floor (which is always the case), but the only player capable of even being effective (think of Game 6 vs. the Celtics last season), much of his genius is lost to circumstance. You can’t be Magic when your teammates suck. You can be Michael, but LeBron isn’t Michael. At least not in the cold-blooded, no-way-in-hell-are-you-stopping-me-from-scoring sense. (Michael actually didn’t win too much that way either; his greatest successes came when Scottie Pippen had a huge role on the team, too. But you knew Mike could do it if he had to.) Other than that Pistons series in ’07, I can’t think of too many times LeBron showed that ability in the postseason. It’s just not his game. He can score a bunch of buckets, yes, but his game is more complete than that. He is, really, a Magic-Michael hybrid.

Working on this piece took me back a couple years to a LENGTHY inteview Justin Walsh did with me over at BallisLife in August of 2008. Justin asked me about LeBron and I had a lot to say. Here’s a part of it:

“I think LeBron is the best player. I’m not saying he’s perfect, but I’d take him over anyone, personally. I like to think of him as a Magic/Michael hybrid, which has never existed and that’s why to me he’s the best. I don’t know what’s going to come after him, and I guess we have to see what type of teammates he gets with and if he stays motivated, but I think that when his career ends, he will be the best player who has ever played. To me it’s because Magic is arguably the best PG of all time, and LeBron has that size….And you’re right, it’s not fair to compare LeBron to Kobe or Michael, but he can score ALMOST as well as them. I may be getting too carried away, but having a Magic Johnson-Michael Jordan hybrid player, how could he not be the greatest of all time when we are talking about two of the five or six best ever and we have a guy combining the two attributes? There’s a lot of backlash with how much coverage this guy gets. He does sell pretty well when he’s on our cover, but we also get a lot of hate directed at him in letters and in the comments and to me that’s ludicrous…I mean he is 23 years old. This guy, he has almost 11,000 points at 23 years old. That is UNBELIEVABLE. This is unprecedented… I get a little worked up because it’s remarkable what he’s doing.”

Remember, I wrote that two-plus years ago. And I’m not embarrassed by it. The Magic and Michael comparisons are hollow in the title department so far, but LeBron is still only 25, and, finally getting back to this season, he now has the two things I noted that he’d need to reach his potential: good teammates and some motivation.

I think the ability to run with a fellow top-5 talent in Wade and a top-15 talent in Chris Bosh should help LeBron let his inner Magic out in ways NBA watchers have never seen. The regular season should be another orgy of stats, with Bron probably capable of a 25-10-10 year if he got the minutes and really paid attention to his stats.

But it’s the postseason when Wade and Bosh should have their true effect on LeBron, because unlike the guys in Cleveland, DWade and CB will still be able to get theirs, so LeBron and the Heat should be able to take their regular-season play right into the Playoffs, as opposed to the way the 60-win Cav teams handed LeBron the ball and shriveled up in the postseason.

I love this quote from LeBron about who will take the last shot for the Heat in SI‘s NBA Preview story about how Miami will play this season: “It’s about who is going to make the right play. I’ve always been a guy, even when I was in Cleveland, who has made the right play. Sometimes we lost the game, and sometimes we won the game, but I always tried to make the right play. It’s not always about scoring or making the game-winner. It’s about putting your teammates in position to succeed.” Well, for the first time in his eight-year NBA career, LeBron has teammates who are likely to succeed.

Motivation-wise, it’s hard to look at the numbers LeBron put up in Cleveland and say he didn’t go hard every time out, but we know he was pretty spoiled there. He was a hometown hero, worshipped by fans, protected by the press, and looked upon as the savior of a city. He had his haters on SLAMonline, sure, but there wasn’t a long list of people LeBron could come out firing at who had talked shit about him.

Now? He’s basically the NBA’s public enemy number one. Whether he earned some of the hate for the horribly executed “Decision” or not, LeBron has had the chance to listen to people at every spectrum of the game — from Hall of Fame players to renowned reporters to everyday fans — talk about him like he’s the worst thing the League has going for it.

And he knows the best way to shut them all up is to win.

In closing, I want to note that much like an American society where people seem to be taking extreme views and sticking to them — the “left” and “right” seemingly getting further and further apart by the day — our beloved comment section seems to be lacking a sense of, “good point, never thought of that.” It’s more like, the Kobe lovers stick to their guy, the LeBron lovers stick to their guy, and there isn’t a chance in hell that some writer or fellow commenter is going to convince a person their view is wrong.

So while I’d love it if my write up changed a few minds or has some fair-minded fan reconsidering their view of LeBron, I know that isn’t likely. Instead, I’ll just sit back and let LeBron convince you this season.

SLAMonline TOP 50 PLAYERS OVERALL RANK POSITION RANK
Player Team Position 2010 2009 2010 2009
Ray Allen Celtics SG 50 36 10 9
Gilbert Arenas Wizards SG 49 34 9 8
Lamar Odom Lakers PF 48 33 14 10
John Wall Wizards PG 47 NR 13 NR
OJ Mayo Grizzlies SG 46 46 8 12
Al Horford Hawks C 45 NR 6 NR
Jason Kidd Mavs PG 44 45 12 10
Joakim Noah Bulls C 43 NR 5 NR
LaMarcus Aldridge Blazers PF 42 39 13 12
David West Hornets PF 41 31 12 8
Monta Ellis Warriors SG 40 NR 7 NR
Andrew Bogut Bucks C 39 NR 4 NR
Yao Ming Rockets C 38 NR 3 NR
Brandon Jennings Bucks PG 37 NR 11 NR
Zach Randolph Grizzlies PF 36 NR 11 NR
Stephen Curry Warriors PG 35 NR 10 NR
David Lee Warriors PF 34 NR 10 NR
Brook Lopez Nets C 33 NR 2 NR
Gerald Wallace Bobcats SF 32 NR 7 NR
Manu Ginobili Spurs SG 31 29 6 7
Tony Parker Spurs PG 30 15 9 3
Kevin Garnett Celtics PF 29 13 9 3
Rudy Gay Grizzlies SF 28 44 6 9
Josh Smith Hawks PF 27 40 8 13
Andre Iguodala 76ers SG 26 26 5 6
Al Jefferson Jazz PF 25 23 7 7
Russell Westbrook Thunder PG 24 NR 8 NR
Chauncey Billups Nuggets PG 23 19 7 5
Tyreke Evans Kings PG 22 NR 6 NR
Danny Granger Pacers SF 21 21 5 5
Carlos Boozer Bulls PF 20 32 6 9
Paul Pierce Celtics SF 19 17 4 4
Joe Johnson Hawks SG 18 20 4 4
Rajon Rondo Celtics PG 17 27 5 8
Amar’e Stoudemire Knicks PF 16 16 5 6
Steve Nash Suns PG 15 22 4 6
Tim Duncan Spurs PF 14 6 4 1
Chris Bosh Heat PF 13 13 3 4
Derrick Rose Bulls PG 12 18 3 4
Brandon Roy Blazers SG 11 10 3 3
Pau Gasol Lakers PF 10 14 2 5
Dirk Nowiztki Mavs PF 9 9 1 2
Deron Williams Jazz PG 8 11 2 2
Chris Paul Hornets PG 7 4 1 1
Carmelo Anthony Nuggets SF 6 7 3 2
Dwight Howard Magic C 5 5 1 1
Dwyane Wade Heat SG 4 3 2 2
Kevin Durant Thunder SF 3 8 2 3
Kobe Bryant Lakers SG 2 2 1 1
LeBron James Heat SF 1 1 1 1

Notes
• Rankings are based solely on projected ’10-11 performance.
• Contributors to this list include: Jeremy Bauman, Maurice Bobb, Erildas Budraitis, Sean Ceglinsky, Ben Collins, Bryan Crawford, Sandy Dover, Adam Figman, Manny Maduakolam, Eddie Maisonet, Ryne Nelson, Doobie Okon, Ben Osborne, Charles Peach, Branden Peters, Quinn Peterson, David Schnur, Todd Spehr, Kyle Stack, Adam Sweeney, Dennis Tarwood, Tracy Weissenberg, Lang Whitaker, Eric Woodyard, and Nima Zarrabi.
• Want more of the SLAMonline Top 50? Check out the archive.

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  • http://hibachi20.blogspot.com Moose

    So it finally is.

  • http://slamonline.com/ Ryne Nelson

    Whew… thanks Ben and everyone who made the Top 50 a success this season. And, thanks, most of all, to SLAMonline’s readers, lurkers and beloved commenters!

  • The D Train

    Good list Slam. Thanks for giving us all our own soapboxes to stand upon and preach to the masses. Even though all the pissing, moaning and arguing probably did not change a single persons opinion.

  • tony knorr

    But he’s a follower….

  • JTaylor21

    At least someone agrees with Bron being the BEST player in the L hands down!!! The only player that comes close to what he does out there on a daily basis is Wade. LONG…LIVE…THE…KING…AND…NBA!!!!!

  • Favio

    I hate LeBron and this DUMB-ASS writer with a passion.

  • The D Train

    And I want to say that Ben’s closing is probably the perfect way to sum up the entire experience of this list. Eboy had a great quote a few days ago about perspective. JTaylor has even begun to acknowledge other people’s opinions in the last days. AllenP has shined like a wonderful light through all the jackassery that we’ve all engaged in. All in all, it was crazy, fun, annoying, and rage-inducing. But now folks, it time to actually get down to business. Here’s to everyone’s favorite player(s) and team remaining healthy and playing up the best of their abilities.

  • http://www.michaelcho.com M Cho

    It’s been an interesting list. Thanks, SLAM, for giving us something to read and debate while waiting for the season to start.

  • spit hot fiyah

    Rankings are based solely on projected ‘10-11 performance. I’m not going to go in to the debate, but please remember the criteria. The rings or anything that happened in the past has no impact on the ranking based on the stated criteria.
    So anyone that argues for Kobe don’t bring in the campionships to discuss this ranking, if u r discussing who is the best overall then it’s a different story.

  • J.W.

    how the hell could they place at no. 1??
    to be the best you have to win!!!1

  • IHaveADream

    Let the nonsense begin….

  • Armando

    Again, I hate it when PPG-RPG-APG are used to determine how good a player is. The only reason for this seems to be that for limited minds these categories seems to be the easiest to understand… Unfortunately not even close to being as relevant though… James’ stats does surpass Bryant’s, but what about Kobe’s other non-measurable skills? Not saying James’ might not be the best player in the game, which he just might be, it’s a close call, and I’m not upset even though my pick is Kobe (and I’ve been an Orlando fan for 20 years). Just annoying that only the simplest stats are used to make an argument… And saying about James that “He could play on the ball or off” is just not correct. He is outstanding on the ball, and maybe he can be good playing off the ball, but he certainly haven’t proved it so far. He is indifferent and just seems to stand around and wait for the ball… Slightly above average off the ball at best.

  • Favio

    Only a prick like Ben Osborne would say something like”I refuse to have Kobe Bryant be a big part of this post, but for comparison’s sake, KB’s career playoff numbers are 26-5-5″. Don’t forget 7 finals appearances and 5 rings, Idiot.

  • LD

    This is why I’m glad no one can vote who gets to be the NBA Champion. It has to be completely earned. Unlike the MVP.

  • matt

    Very well written, I couldn’t agree more.

  • http://Yahoo.com Eboyhater

    This is the difference between Lebron and Kobe
    Lebron is the best athlete playing basketball
    Kobe is the best basketball player playing basketball

  • meloman2.0

    I used to play Kobe… but now I play Lebron

  • http://slamonline.com Bryan Crawford

    Thanks, Ben. Eloquent and well written piece. But I still acknowledge the fact that he’s a good player — which I have — while still not necessarily being a fan — which I’m not. But after what you wrote at the end, you’re right. Engaging in any sort of Kobe vs. LeBron debate is futile and I will not participate in ruining this piece by engaging in such. It’ll all shake out in the end anyway. Gone…

  • http://kb8than24@hotmail.com Kobe Bryant

    i dont even like lebron. but i have to agree with the above rankings. lebrons #1 across the board

  • Brar

    Teams with nobody in the Top 50:
    Cavs
    Pistons
    Clippers
    Timberwolves
    Raptors

  • JTaylor21

    Great write up Ben and thank you for finally seeing what everyone tried so hard to look past and ignore; Bron’s game is Magic-like not the MJ BS people try to force him to be. His scoring, rebounding, finishing ability, athletic ability, and defense all are impressive but it’s his passing ability and court vision that are his BEST attributes by a mile. People also fail to realize that the BIGGEST reason for him choosing the Heat was because PRiley sold him on having a Magic-type role with the team.

  • rich

    good point on how his teammates are the ones choking in the playoffs. the way a series starts off is that the oposing team plays honest on the role players who are shooters then when they realize that these guys are scrubs, the cèltic defense decides to evoke the acblbj stratagey the spurs used when they got swept( Any Cavalalier But LeBron James) and when they do that he is going to get frustrated and disinterested where guys like wade or kobe would say lemme put my head down and drive, shoot a bad percentage but get a lot of fts. i guess thats just his nature to make the correct play, but i dont think he should get so much flak about that series vs the celtics.

  • http://www.twitter.com/jtrain73 Jono

    Perfect.Based on his vision and passing alone, he’d be a top 50 player. Based on his physical ability (with average skills) or his ability to drive alone, he’d be a top 50 player. Add this all up, plus a good professional attitude as a basketball player (not a PR dude as we all know), a decent leader by the looks and what we’ve got is a unique talent that we should cherish watching.

  • The Philosopher

    Well friends, some of you know that my ego just grew.
    SLAM has vindicated me, and I am appreciative.
    The King is ranked where he is supposed to be ranked. SLAM and I shall agree in unison that The King is indeed the very AND absolute best basketball player on the entire planet, and he has been for a while.
    The combination of size, the agility, the power, the grace, the dominance… it has been unseen until 7 years ago.
    When The King is done, he will be a top 10 talent of all time.
    Ring or no ring.
    LONG… LIVE… THE KING.

  • http://www.slamonline.com negetivereep

    @ Ben Osborne: Nice Job, Great write up. On the flip though, Nothing Kobe has ever done has seemed to convince you very much. I wont downplay the importance or magnitude of what LeBron’s decision will mean for the L this season. It’s gonna be UNREAL to watch the HEAT. But, When was the last time a player led his team to 4 straight finals? Magic?…nah, Jordan?…..nope.(prolly woulda) The answer is Bill Russell. Only the greatest winner of all time. If “Kobe lovers” minds wont be changed this year, it wont be because of LeBron’s greatness or jealousy, or blind loyalty. It will be because their favorite player is actually chasing something farr greater than his first chip. Dude is chasing greatness. And thats something allot of guys (looking @ LeBron fans & writters)are very willing to just overlook.

  • Robert

    I didn’t even finish reading it because it made me sick to my stomach on how unfair Osborne was to Lebron’s teammates back in Cleveland. When they lose its the rest of the team’s fault except Lebron’s. When they were winning in the regular season, all the credit went to Lebron and the media were saying they finally have it together. Mo Williams does not stunk, Antawn Jamison does not stunk, Delonte West does not stunk, Jamario Moon does not stunk, Ilgauskas does not stunk. Sure Boston and Orlando were better teams and frankly had more pride and toughness. But this does not mean that Cavs of ’08-’10 stunk. Arguments that Osborne presented here is why Lebron’s greatness is exaggerated. They portray him as some kind of superman who carried a bunch of scrubs to the best record in the regular season for two straight seasons. This is totally not the case.

  • http://www.slamonline.com negetivereep

    Lol @ Philo.

  • Jetballer

    I agree with ranking LB first. His physical attributes are out of this world. Kobe in 05-06, and 06-07 might have an edge on todays Lebron tho. For 2010-2011, it should be 1)Lebron 2)Wade 3)Kobe 4)Durant 5)Howard

  • Robert

    Ditto @LD

  • Robert

    Ditto to what @LD said

  • AZ

    Thought this article sucked for number 1 on the list. Guy that wrote Number 2 should wrote this one for Bron.

  • http://slamonline.com Bryan Crawford

    Oh, and Jerry Stackhouse signed with the Heat.

  • JTaylor21

    @BCrawford, do you see him as a positive addition for the heat?

  • slick ric

    Smart move.

  • http://www.twitter.com/jtrain73 Jono

    Loved the last bit! I have a feeling you will get a huge amount of stick from Kobe/Durant lovers out there, which is understandable. But it’s so strange how someone who puts up video game numbers is so discounted. The saddest part is how he will NEVER be appreciated, there will always be the Wade/Bosh was there, he dumped on Cleveland, he couldn’t win it on his own. Never mind MJ/Magic/Bird didn’t do it themselves, it seems the public expect LeBron to do so and that alone is a huge compliment to him. He is that great. So is Kobe but with the age difference, it’s LeBron’s time now.

  • http://www.slamonline.com negetivekreep

    Taylor21 Posted: Oct.23 at 2:13 pm

    “Bron being the BEST player in the L hands down!!! The only player that comes close to what he does out there on a daily basis is Wade.”

    Ryne Nelson Posted: Oct.23 at 2:25 pm

    “@negetivereep Closest Top 50 by a landslide.
    After compiling 25 ballots, the difference between Kobe and LeBron was almost negligible.”

    Dude (Jtaylor) is always talking about how Kobe fans are always making ridiculous claims, over hyping their guy… (smile)OK PLAYER.

  • http://www.slamonline.com negetivekreep

    @ Bryan: Stack took the spot Penny was beggin’ for?

  • http://slamonline.com Bryan Crawford

    @JT21: Honestly, I really don’t care…

  • slick ric

    People are lame with that whole lebrons only a athlete b.s., he has great basketball I.Q., if it was only about athleticism Gerald green would be a beast as well. I still dont like the idea of him being with Miami, but he is the best player in the league by far.

  • AZ

    bron time hasn’t even started, and kobe stayed put… players come to play in la cuz a him.

  • The Philosopher

    ^^That is the reason I am ALWAYS trying to be careful in what I am saying.

  • Hammer

    @ least the yankees r out. Hell yeah!

  • Cheers

    Rightfully so, James should be number one based on his projected statistic; however, he in my eyes is not the best player. In my opinion, Kobe shouldn’t even be number two, it should have went to D Wade. Do i believe they’re the two best players in the game? No.. I still believe Kobe is still the best player in the game and he’s not ready to give up his throne yet. Kobe has no weaknesses, and to me that defines the “best player”. Lebron can collect all the season mvps he wants (and congratulation to him if he does), Kobe will get what is most important, world championship. Believe me, by the end of June Kobe is going to raise six fingers.

  • letsmotor

    cosign Eboyhater at 2:33. as a fan and player who just loves fundamentals, i want to put Kobe at number 1, and you won’t find a bigger Kobe-hater than me. still, if you keep in mind that this ranking is forward-looking, I understand having LeBron here. he’s in position to have one crazy season.

  • The Philosopher

    Shout out @letsmotor.
    Good to see you.

  • max

    Is winning a ring, even if the players stats drop, a postive “projected ‘10-11 performance”?

  • http://www.twitter.com/TheDiesel Anton

    Co-sign that Bron quote on making the right play. While hitting key shots is always respected, what’s there to be said about making the right plays throughout the 4th quarter to win the game? Last season, LeBron had 27 games where he scored 10+ points in the 4th quarter and led the NBA in this category. To me, both methods are clutch, the difference being one is perceived to be sexier than the other. After all, who wants to watch the length of the quarter for the key passes, defensive schemes, and freethrows when you can just see a single 4-second shot (nevermind the mistakes made before that)?
    Like Ali G, respect.

  • Krisjanis

    gotta agree with LD on this one, thank God MVP’s are chosen and Championship trophies (which Lebron won’t get) are earned.
    but Ben is seriously riding Lebrons di….or maybe lebron is riding his.

  • The Philosopher

    Brethren SLAM:
    Look, now some people are indirectly trying to discredit you all’s list.
    I guess if Kobe hit #1, there would be similar indirect disdain.

  • http://thetroyblog.com Teddy-the-Bear

    No complaints here. Kobe will likely be the best player in the playoffs though.

  • http://Slamonline.com nbk

    Good write up Ben. Thanks slam for another drama filled top 50.

  • kev

    Even the kobe lovers know deep down that Lebron is the best player in the league. They will bitch and moan and complain but it’s just the truth…. Deal with it!

  • juliusj14

    I find it stupid how people try to compare Kobe’s stats to Lebron’s stats, when Kobe is a player that plays the 2 and the 3, and lebron is a player capable of playing the 1,2,3, and 4 of course he is going to have more assists and rebounds. its just not an adequate way of proving who is better. no one would argue larry bird being better than jordan, but bird averaged 24.3,10, and 6.3 in comparison to jordan’s 30.1, 6.2, and 5.3. Bird averaged more assists and rebound, but they are two completely different players playing different positions much like Kobe and Lebron. Not to say that either of the two is better than the other, but there are many more factors to consider when comparing the two players. i believe that both players are playing at maximum level for their positions and simple stat comparisons should not be used to decide who is better.

  • http://bulls.com airs

    sigh, and thats the end of that.
    good stuff ben

  • Sigurdur Einar Iceland

    It is funny, when Cleveland was wining in the regular season and having the most W 2 years in a row. Then his team was great and the experts were talking about them wining a ring.
    But then they lose in the playoffs and Lebron does not lead his team, then his teamates suck and they hade no changes.
    This is a team game and if you are not a leader you will not win a ring and i dont care about your stats(Wilt had great stats but was not a leader and was at his best in 72 when he was still great but not the team leader). Know Wade is the leader in Miami and when they win rings(they have to, right?) Lebron will get the prais.
    KOBE IS NUMBER 1

  • IHaveADream

    LeBron’s the best regular season player…Kobe’s the best player in the playoffs…which is where legends are made.

  • Sparty’s Law

    As great a player as James is, he’s just way too much of a d-bag for me to ever be a fan. He makes Kobe seem almost likable. Almost.

  • http://www.need4sheed.com Tarzan Cooper

    lebron james is 25 years old. the miami heat will win multiple titles. the haters will hate, i will enjoy that just as i enjoyed all the spurs haters. whats ironic is many the lbj fanboys hating on the spurs in 07 are now hating against bron and miami. kobe will win no more titles or mvps, just all stars from now on. hes had a great career, but it is now miamis time. and it will be for many years to come. it will be great.

  • Slurp Slurp

    Dam Homie, you got some Bron Pubes in your teeth.

    Duplicate Jordan’s 87-88 season then come and talk until then at least win a Finals Game

    King James indeed

  • Sparty’s Law

    If you had to have either kobe or lebron on your team for one all-or-nothing championship game, can anyone actually say they would take lebron over kobe?

  • AZ

    @Sparty’s Law

    lol

  • AZ

    Miami cant even stay healthy enough to play together all season…let alone the PRESEASON.

  • Steven Perdomo

    Haha. itold everybody Lebron is the Best.!!

  • http://Slamonline.com nbk

    Yes

  • Ludovic

    Simply, put it. Kobe’s been in the finals 7 times and have several rings. Great! Take Kobe, place on the Cavs for the same amount years he was on the lakers. And do the opposite for Lebron, and put him on the Lakers with Gasol, Fisher, Bynum, Shannon, Llmar Odom, etc, and see if Kobe can even get to the Playoff. Moreover, take this into account: The Western Conference has easier competition than the East. Lebron and his suck team had to overcome that. Also, take into account Lebron was MVP multiple times throughout the season at a young age. Overall, I say when a guy is good, he’s good. This is the new generation and the next generation is going to better than the next. You can’t always based experience and accomplishments on someone’s skill and name him the best. You can say he’s legendary. But what’s better is better don’t matter how long you’ve been in the game. Kobe and Jordan has not had as much intensity, and hardship as Lebron has. Period!

  • Kas

    I’ll never buy SLAM again. Terrible

  • Black Mamba

    Its a good thing he’ll never have the legacy of one of the best ever. THAT is what seperates him from Kobe, you’re ignorant if you can’t see that and base greatness on triple doubles and cool dunks

  • IHaveADream

    The Heat are one or two injuries away from being LeBron’s Cavaliers or D-Wade’s Heat of the past few seasons. Recognize that their bench is basically just filled with shooters and old big men who aren’t very big compared to the Lakers, Celtics, Magic and Blazers. They got beat by the Bobcats and Hawks with just LeBron and Bosh this preseason, what happens if Wade goes down during the season? With the way he plays, it’s very possibly that he will get injured again this season. Wade is the closer. LeBron doesn’t have go to moves when it’s time to win. He’s either going to step back and take a jumpshot or try to get to the basket. Playing the Lakers, Celtics and Magic, that will not get it done. So all three of these guys will need to stay healthy and be healthy going into the playoffs or this will be nothing but a disappointment. This is why I don’t understand why people are jumping on this bandwagon so soon.

  • IHaveADream

    @ Tarzan
    You’re just as clueless as anyone on here who is buying into the hype. Kobe’s done? lol. Okay buddy. We will see. Come June, it will be the Celtics and Lakers in the Finals once again. These three guys are friends and have played together, but playing together for a summer and playing together for 82 games plus games in the playoffs is a different thing. Friends or not, what happens when Wade starts winning games and LeBron’s gigantic ego takes a few hits? It’s not about haters. It’s about people who know the game and who know what it takes to win. It’s not Miami’s time until the Lakers and Celtics are broken up. And even then, the Thunder may have another good player to play with Durant and Westbrook who will both be better players and they will be ready to battle the Heat in the Finals for the next few years. Don’t hand the championship to a team who is, as I’ve said, an injury or two away from being just another team in the league looking up at the Lakers, Celtics and Magic. LeBron is 25, but he’s been in the league for 7 seasons already.

  • Mann

    The difference between Bron and Kobe is that Bron might be satisfied with being the best player in the league. Kobe isn’t worried with rankings he let’s his titles do his talking for him. Kobe is a better closer,shooter and on the ball defender. Bron is a better athlete yes true but when your career is over they are going to judge you on your titles!

  • Ray

    How in the blue hell isn’t Baron Davis on this list

  • http://www.dreallday.com Dre Baldwin

    Ben, you are a helluva writer.

  • http://slamonline.com marco27

    Dis write up was such bulls***

  • Bruno

    so you are the leader of the best team in the regular season and in the post season what? hell no, some of the blame has to be on the leader of that team … don’t try and lie to us … after this season we’ll see

  • Bruno

    the first paragraph of the Kobe post says it all … the supposed best player of the league can’t go to a team led by one of the players involved in best player conversations and still be #1

  • http://Yahoo.com Eboyhater

    If you think Kobe average 25 5 5 imagine if he would of started those three years when he was a bench player he could have been 27 5 5 but I’m not a lover of stats.

  • http://slamonline.com Spaceship Jay

    The hype surrounding number 2 and 1 has been utterly destroyed by presenting it over the weekend.

  • JTaylor21

    Ihaveadream, please quit with the shenanigans. Your freaking lakers are playing .500 ball this preseason with everyone healthy and playing, so what’s your point. Quit trying to act like we are already in the middle of the season already, sheesh.

  • http://slamonline.com marco27

    I hav so much hate 4 dis writer… he is a lebron slobber. I cannot deny hw much of a beast lebron is. He is a freak of nature one of a kind. Bt kobe is a different kind of animal. Nevermind da stats bcuz stats dnt tell it all. 26-5-5 are amazin stats considering a lot of dat was compile wile playing wit shaq. I bet if u compared kobe stats 2 wen he had shaq n he didn’t his #s wud b destroying da #s dat he had wen he was wit shaq. Y is it dat lebron cnt tak a 66 win team 2 da finals bt a 48 win team 2 da finals? U cannot tell me dat da 48 win 07 cavs dat went 2 da finals r better den da 66 win cavs of 09 r u kiddin me?

  • http://www.nba.com Jessdogg

    Regardless of all this hate and so much fu(King ignorance.. People arguing that right now Kobe Bryant or Kevin Durrant is a better basketball player then LeBron must be a borderline retard, incapable of opening there eyes long enough to realise what has been factual for over 2 years. Its not even close.

  • namik

    Stats and excuses about teammates. 4 years of this is getting old. You didn’t think his supporting cast was so weak when you put him on the projected Finals cover. Every day here, the Cavs were projected as the best team in the NBA for 2 years. And then in retrospect, his team “sucked”. Now he has “good teammates”? Are you serious? If LeBron achieves ANYTHING with the Heat, it would be achieved standing on the shoulders of DWade and Bosh. A mix of Mike and Magic? Please, don’t embarrass basketball with sycophantic hyperbole. Your boy or not, LeBron has underachieved. Not DESPITE his spectacular stats, but BECAUSE of his spectacular achievements.

  • JalepinoSausage

    Kobe wasn’t mentally ready to start these years. Give Bron a couple more years at #1 too . Bron is the player of this decade !!

  • cwill442

    where is blake griffin if john wall is on the list which i have no problem with than griffin should be on there to.

  • Blackphantom

    This Top 50 was already stupid from the beginning considering SJax wasn’t on it

  • IHaveADream

    @Jtaylor
    Stop your nonsense and your bull. Kobe is not 100% and Andrew Bynum isn’t even playing lol. So how can you say that everyone is playing and everyone is healthy? Do you not watch or even keep up with teams who aren’t named the Heat?

  • http://www.bulls.com Enigmatic

    Kobe is still number 1 in my book. But LeBron is 1A

  • http://slamonline.com Brad Long

    Every time LeBron has been ranked #1 he has won the MVP award…and Kobe has won Finals MVP and a ring. WIN-WIN!

  • Greg

    Nice job from this writer to throw up Kobe’s playoff 26-5-5 stat line without the same context and perspective with which he wants everyone to consider James’ play with the ‘mediocre’ Cavs.

    Kobe has been in the playoffs every season except 04-05 and his average numbers are therefore weighed down (a little) by his first few seasons when he didn’t play as much. There’s also the consideration that A) he is a guard and much smaller than lebron and should rebound the ball less and B) he has played the majority of his career in an equal opportunity offense (triangle) in which no one ever averages astronomical assist numbers. Lebron dominated the ball in Cleveland, so it’s no wonder his assist numbers are higher.

    The second point is regarding the ‘mediocre’ Cavs that the writer discusses. How do mediocre players help a team to back to back 60 win seasons? IT DOES NOT HAPPEN. Don’t try to make us believe that Lebron was playing with a team of Kwame Browns when it counted in the playoffs. They had very experienced and capable guys in Jamison, Shaq, Z, Parker, Mo, Varejao etc.

  • AJ

    So you say one cant use pass success to predict future success or failure….this dude is funny…i love how the lebron fans can spin things to fit lebrons criteria but not allowing kobes past success to be included…

  • Sengyn

    Mr. Ben Osborne ,
    You are the only person who has wrote an article that i agree with 100% pretty much , i thought i was the only one who thought this way about what kind of player Lebron is, i agree 1000% that he is and Michael Jordan – Magic Johnson Hybrid. When you said he is not cold blooded like Michael etc.. You should of mentioned he has Magic’s Mentality with Michael’s Ability & Production, and i truly believe he will be the best ever when its all said and done, because what he has accomplished his first seven years has been pretty much unparalleled in comparison to anyone pretty much, unless your looking at maybe late greats Michael, Magic, and Oscar, and still yet even out shines their first 7 years statistically speaking in certain category’s.. but certainly unmatched in today’s league no question.. and who knows this year with all the motivation & reason Lebron has this year, he might turn to end up the opposite of what he was in Cleveland, from Magic’s Mentality, with Jordan’s Ability & Production, to Michael Jordan’s Mentality to Magic Johnson’s Ability & Production , and that to me honestly sounds possibly more lethal then the other way around , but either way you rearrange it , this guy is the best in the game right now & possibly the top 2 or the best this league has ever witnessed…

  • Sengyn

    Mr. Ben Osborne ,
    You are the only person who has wrote an article that i agree with 100% pretty much , i thought i was the only one who thought this way about what kind of player Lebron is, i agree 1000% that he is and Michael Jordan – Magic Johnson Hybrid. When you said he is not cold blooded like Michael etc.. You should of mentioned he has Magic’s Mentality with Michael’s Ability & Production, and i truly believe he will be the best ever when its all said and done, because what he has accomplished his first seven years has been pretty much unparalleled in comparison to anyone pretty much, unless your looking at maybe late greats Michael, Magic, and Oscar, and still yet even out shines their first 7 years statistically speaking in certain category’s.. but certainly unmatched in today’s league no question.. and who knows this year with all the motivation & reason & possibly anger Lebron has this year, he might turn to end up the opposite of what he was in Cleveland, from Magic’s Mentality, with Jordan’s Ability & Production, to Michael Jordan’s Mentality to Magic Johnson’s Ability & Production , and that to me honestly sounds possibly more lethal then the other way around , but either way you rearrange it , this guy is the best in the game right now & possibly the top 2 or the best this league has ever witnessed…

  • http://www.slamonline.com Ryan Jones

    I think Ben and I were sitting right behind Danny Ainge. For what that’s worth.

  • http://twitter.com/smileyoufckers Bryan

    I don’t agree, but this was a compelling argument.

  • http://kb24.com DreXnaW21

    Kobe is suppose to be #1 not some King with no Ring who couldn’t make the Finals last season…

  • NAS-tradamus

    SOOOO TRUE man… I am sick and tired of LBJ vs KOBE thing… They are both great players.. Kobe becoming a legend while Bron is just starting, but what great bout Bron is his achievements on his young age… Still more time for him.. Kobe is getting old now… so pursuing for 6 championships while make him a legend as well BUT not close enough to MJ… His career is still different…

  • the Dude

    In 2015 Kobe will be on the Heat and Durant will have two rings.

  • http://www.slamonline.com J

    Gosh I’m late.. Anyway..
    LONG.. LIVE.. THE KING..

  • Vince5

    I totally agree with this pick. At this moment, nobody is better than him.

  • http://www.twitter.com/TheDiesel Anton

    Next argument: If Kobe wasn’t allowed to shoot and LeBron wasn’t allowed to pass, who’d win in a theoretical pick up game? Kobe’s teammates would be Daniel Gibson, Drew Gooden, Eric Snow, and the corpse of Z while LeBron’s teammates would be Chris Mihm, Smush Parker, DJ Mbenga, and Kwame Brown. The refs would be Shaq, Stern, and Donaghy. Oh and the court would be covered in oil. And a chain smoker would be sitting in the front row.
    Food for thought.

  • Swagg_Sean

    I can’t believe this Lebron and clearly not the best player in the NBA I think you all know who that distinction belongs to and he gets the numero uno spot on slam that’s why I stop subscribing to the piece of crap a last year

  • http://www.slamonline.com/online/nba/slamonline-top-50/2010/10/top-50-lebron-james-no-1-2/ Poetic Justice

    Let me start with the fact that DWade is my favourite player, so I have no bias towards either Kobe or Lebron. And I don’t buy the argument that more championships = better player, but I always thought Kobe to be the best for one reason; when it comes down to it, I want Kobe taking the last shot. (as for clutchness, Dwade is 2nd). But, Mr. Osborne, your argument is compelling, especially with Lebron’s quote about making the right play, I have seen him pass up the last shot to kick it to an open team mate, which is the right play when doubled, the difference I guess is that Kobe would always take that shot, good or bad, right or wrong. Kobe doesn’t always make it, but you wouldn’t be surprised either. However, you have convinced me Ben, with the playoff numbers, the teammates inabilities, everything. You can’t blame him if a wide-open teammate misses the game-winner. People say well he should take the shot, double team, triple team, whatever, and that’s their criticism, that he passed the ball. Well that’s a testament to his greatness if he is criticised for passing the ball in that situation.

  • AZ

    lolo…Dude u mean bron will be on the lakers in 2015, cuz kobe don’t follow nobody

  • TOAD3527

    NO JAMAL CRAWFORD?

  • http://www.slamonline.com J

    Also that’s what I love about him the most too. That SUPERB PASSING ABILITY.. LeBron is as close as a scorer to MJ and Kobe, hell LeBron is even more efficient to Kobe in scoring.. BUT neither of them two was as close to LeBron’s passing ability. MJ and Kobe are good passers, but LeBron is on another level in that category.

  • TrailBlazing&SportingLisbon

    lol at anton and bron is BY A BIG MARGIN, THE BEST PLAYER IN THIS LEAGUE.

  • sirius black

    Everyday im inching a little bit closer to the begining of the NBA season and this list made it go by alot faster thank you Slam…..but Kobe should be number 1

  • sorel

    Magic/Michael hybrid?!?!?!?!if i had to believe you..i would say that the sun is spining around the earth..and i’m pretty sure not…

  • IHaveADream

    @J
    LeBron is not on Kobe’s level with scoring. LeBron = makes the occasional jumpshot, mostly drives to the basket. That’s why his field goal percentage is higher, he’s the strongest and fastest player on the court every night so he should be able to get to the basket at will and score. Kobe = every shot humanly possible. Plenty of post moves. And I know you did not say that LeBron was close to Jordan in scoring lol. That’s hilarious. The only category LeBron has over Kobe and Jordan is passing. Let’s be clear about that. Don’t get too crazy with your crush on him.

  • Jer Dawg

    I have no problems with Lebron here. But, if i can make a note about playoff numbers. Yes, Lebron’s numbers are incredible, but the offense was generated ALL by him. The coach gave him the ball and let him freelance and didn’t instill discipline because they were afraid he’d leave. The triangle offense the Lakers play didn’t need Kobe to dominate the ball. When Jordan won, his scoring was high because he didn’t have to rebound and be the playmaker Kobe is.
    Kobe had to stay within the offense because the coach is tough and demands discipline. Shaq screwed up by basically quitting in NBA finals vs Pistons (04-05?). He didn’t want to win. lakers vs Celtics (07-08) Pau and team wasn’t ready. They barely got it together. That itself, is amazing to get it together in 1/2 season and make NBA finals. Jordan had Pippen throughout the years. Odom was Pippen, but what can you count on him doing? Odom is different than Pippen. Pip was playing for dollars.
    But, I agree Lebron is #1. He’s much better all around package. Skill, size, and athleticism.
    45 Minuters of Lebron, 3 minutes of Kobe. FTW

  • 7ncredible

    man most of the things you said about lebron applies to Wade so How In the world is He 4th, durant is a scoring freak but Wade is a better defender, better playmaker, and is clutch.
    he is able to average 30+ point per game (he prove it)

  • The Philosopher

    Dream:
    The King is not only a better passer.
    He is also a better rebounder, shot blocker, he is better in the steals department.
    He is a better teammate. He is more coach able.
    He is a better athlete.
    He is a better ball handler.

  • http://www.twitter.com/HurstySYD Hursty

    Yep yep. Got this one right haha.

  • mirko

    KD what???KD what???ring 0 mvp 0 finals mvp 0 all star mvp 0 what is KD 3???? wade 1 kobe 1 2 lebron and 3 kd 4 howard 5 crhis paul

  • IHaveADream

    @The Philosopher
    How do you know he’s more coachable? Maybe he needs to be coached more than MJ did and Kobe does. Why is he a better teammate, because he gets more assists? There’s more to being a teammate than just passing the ball. And anyone can go behind someone and block a shot. It’s not like that’s an art. I don’t know if LeBron’s a better athlete than MJ….He’s stronger, but MJ’s hops were clearly second to none…hence the nickname Air Jordan. Who do you want when it’s time to win? Not when it’s time to get nice looking stats? Kobe and MJ. Let’s just face it. LeBron doesn’t belong in the conversation…D-Wade belongs there before he does.

  • The Philosopher

    I’m talking about Kobe and LeBron.
    My bad if you are talking about LeBron and Jordan.
    Seriously.

  • http://www.slamonline.com J

    @ ihaveAdream: he is. 1. Stats 2. No matter how many moves you have.. Point is he is as effective as both of them. He gets it done, he gets it done. 3. He’s also a better rebounder and shot blocker so that’s not just one category. 4. I’m warning you with the personal attacks like “man crush sh*t” because the way you say Kobe’s “humanly possible” has a whole lot gay in it. I’m not here to bash any player like you do so stop your nonsense..

  • The Philosopher

    In your 8:45p.m comment, you brought up Kobe, so, I’ll go there.
    Yes, The King is a better teammate not only because of the assists, but because Kobe has a history of players not liking to play with him, as opposed to The King.
    And, The King is a better athlete than Jordan AND Kobe.

  • greatnesspersonified

    Good thing I’m superstitious. Last year SLAM put Kobe number 2 as well and he collected a ring. While LeBron’s got knocked out because his elbow hurt ‘due to him slipping and falling on it while chasing Delonte out of his Mom’s room.

  • josay

    Rondo at #17 shows how ignorant this magazine is. rondo should be top 40 max

  • greatnesspersonified

    @ the Philosopher..history of players? Try 1. Shaq – who’s longest stay in any city on his list was with the Lakers – where conveniently he won 3 titles with Kobe. Oh and congrats on him being more athletic than Kobe or Jordan. Do Joey Graham and Gerald Green get prizes too?

  • http://slamonline.com Jeremy Bauman

    That bottom portion was great. What people/fans need to realize is that we all love basketball for many reasons and want to understand why one player is better than another. Even as the numerous measures of statistical analysis are brought up, some teams still don’t get how to use it and some talent evaluators still mess up. The point is to keep learning about evaluating players and what makes them special–because in the game of basketball you can be special for a variety of reasons. There is no exact science to finding the best player, and that is why we yearn to figure it out.

  • The Philosopher

    @greatness:
    “History” of players not liking to play with Kobe.
    We have no documents indicating that a coach did not like coaching The King.
    We also have no documents indicating that players did not like playing with The King.

  • Teehov

    LD Posted: Oct.23 at 2:26 pm
    This is why I’m glad no one can vote who gets to be the NBA Champion. It has to be completely earned. Unlike the MVP.

    Lebron is a great player but for some strange reason i feel like Lebron will never be a NBA Champion….He tried the best he could in Cleveland and found out he’s not a leader and would rather follow. He can say what he wants but he went to miami cause he can’t handle the pressure like Kobe, D-Wade, etc. He doesn’t have the “Thick Skin” needed to be a Champion. His physical skills are dominating but he has doesn’t have what it takes. The constant biting of nails also tells me he has other issues going on! It also sounds like this writer has “Man Love” for Lebron. Oh my gosh!!!!

  • ethan

    obviously… LONG LIVE THE KING

  • http://www.slamonline.com J

    @ dream: Also I’m just pointing at things lebron is better at and is on par with.. I NEVER said he’s better than MJ. MJ > LeBron overall just to be clear.

  • ethan

    kd aint #3

  • Mia

    I think some things about Kobe is over hyped. For some reason people remember all of the good things about their favorite players and not the bad. I do think Kobe is one of the best players in the league but when it comes to last second shots he misses way more than he makes. Also he takes alot of contested shots. He takes way more contested shots than he should. Phil Jackson even said that alot of Kobe’s shots make in kringe. That is the reason why he never had a shooting percentage of 50% or more. The same for Carmelo Anthony.

  • AZ

    Who cares if brons a better teammate. Letting teammates get it in on moms and dancing/poising for sideline team pics before tip off dont win chips. Delonte would think twice to do that to kobe. lol

  • The Philosopher

    As a matter of fact, there is documented proof that a player(s) have went to the extremes of contemplating retirement from their multi-million employment at the prime of their career(s) “partly” in response to the devastation felt in the aftermath of the Historic Decision put forth by The King.
    Now, who has ever went through such measures after departing from The Black Mamba??
    Phil Jackson articulated literature describing the stress he endured coaching Bean.
    No book has yet been penned by a coach speaking of The King in a derogatory tone.

  • AZ

    and?

  • AZ

    AND????? None them players/coaches can talk about winning a nba Chip either

  • Philip

    Slam this is a damn shame. Kobe will prove again this year why he is the best. Consider my subscription of 5 years cancelled.

  • effie

    LONG LIVE THE QUEEN!
    SHE IS NO.1 FOREVER.

  • The Philosopher

    Proof that The King is a better teammate than Kobe.
    And, according to SLAM AND myself…
    he’s a better basketball player, too.
    That is “and”.

  • The Philosopher

    @AZ:
    Trevor Ariza can…

  • http://Www.slamonline.com Negative kreep

    Lol @ Philo saying LeBron is a better ball handler than Kobe. Kobe is by farr the most skilled player in the NBA, he is a killer. Lbj is not. Kobe is a better overall defender,has a legendary and superior work ethic. He is better under pressure, deals better with the HATE because he is tougher physically and mentally. Allowing him to not only withstand the hate, but actually feed off of it becoming stronger (think electricity and bombs to Godzilla) He is the greatest villian the NBA has ever known…the BLACK MAMBA, He IS the greatest winner of his era (wich is now) making this, HIS era . Little brother will have to wait his turn until Kobe’s reign is over. Last but certainly not least, he has much, MUCH stronger ELBOWS.

  • http://www.dimemag.com Royal

    Good write up…

  • IHaveADream

    @ The Philosopher
    Your worship of LeBron is quite comical. And if you want to talk athleticism, Shannon Brown is more athletic than LeBron lol. So who cares? And Phil Jackson said that about Kobe….and then came back to coach him lol.

  • AZ

    @Negative kreep lol…u shoulda wrote this piece for the 1 spot… cuz i could read all of Ben piece

  • AZ

    *COULDN’T

  • JustoPhat

    great write up! he is the best player in the league hands down, he’s the definition of a basketball player, no ball hogging, and “always making the right play” you’ll never see him heave up a triple team fade away like ballhog bryant.. LeBron is KING! i like how everyone is hating on him, it just shows who his true fans are, and ive rode for bron bron since day one! lets go HEAT!!!

  • The Philosopher

    Negative kreep:
    How are you doing tonight?
    The King was being talked about as playing point guard for a championship caliber team.
    Kobe? Never.
    And, I beg to differ on Kobe being physically tougher than The King, for Kobe has had multiple surgeries to multiple parts of his body.
    The King, he is a thoroughbred stallion.
    No surgeries, and he takes the contact.

  • IHaveADream

    @The Philosopher
    Kobe’s not a point guard so of course no one’s going to talk about him playing point guard. LeBron is a point guard in a power forward’s body. Also, having surgeries doesn’t mean that one isn’t tough lol. Playing through injuries is a sign of toughness which Kobe has done and continues to do.

  • AZ

    @The Philosopher….Really??? physical tougher..Lol

  • The Philosopher

    Dream:
    The King is not a point guard, either.
    The reason Kobe does not garner such point guard rhetoric is because, he just does not have that kind of skill set.
    For those who contend that Kobe is the better scorer, you have a decent argument, but The King is a scoring champion as well, and could have easily garnered another scoring title last season if that were an intention of his.
    He has even said as much… indirectly.

  • AZ

    Man this guy is a Bron D rider…KD gonna be the scoring champ again and maybe for a long time.

  • http://Www.slamonline.com Negative Kreep

    @ AZ: Respect, btw is AZ in refrence to the Emcee? Cause that’s my guy. Anyway, these cats are funny, like I said earlier, who was the last guy to lead a team to 4 consecutive finals?…. MJ?…nope. Magic?…eh eh. Bird?……..Zeke?………….Stockton or Malone?……. Wilt?….. West?……The big O?…….,,,,,Kareem?………………….That is some legendary sh!t Kobe Bryant is on the verg of this season. But geh’ head, keep sleeping on the super villian.

  • The Philosopher

    @Az:
    Damn, facts make me a dick rider, then you switch the subject to Durant.
    Meh.

  • AZ

    LOL…@The Philosopher …Kobe said he would beat bron one on one…He has even said as much… directly. And also jordan said it..He has even said as much… directly. Bron dont have the balls to say that about kobe, even if he is the biggest douche in the league

  • IHaveADream

    @The Philosopher
    Kobe’s skill set is one of a killer. He can score whenever he wants in a variety of ways. LeBron is a passer who can score in two ways. Take away his strength and his hops and he is just a passer. Kobe’s hops left a few seasons ago and he’s still the most skilled player in the league capable of scoring 40-50 at will.

  • AZ

    Well kobe dont need to be the scoring champ anymore, the guys played over a 1000 games but hes still winning chips. But i can give respect when respect is do..eg. Durant and scoring title.

  • The Philosopher

    @Dream:
    40-50 points on 17 – 42 shooting.
    @AZ:
    LeBron does not HAVE to say anything.
    He is The King.

  • AZ

    @The Philosopher
    That doesn’t deserve a a response…Why? lol Cuz I’m a KING.

  • AZ

    ~Self appointed KING at that..lol

  • The Philosopher

    @AZ:
    No doubt. lol
    Peace to all, I’m retiring for the night.

  • http://Www.slamonline.com Negative Kreep

    @ the Philisopher: Im good, thanks for asking. On my way to L.A to see a band called “Interpol”, can’t wait. Respect to you brethren… On the ball handling tip’ speaking of Kobe’s teamates, several including( former) Farmar a PG himself and Lamar have made the statement that Kobe could be a top PG in the L if he wanted to. while I am not one to sucscribe to the notion that LeBron simply uses his “Brawn” to get the ball to the hoop, I do think it’s a factor. While I believe Kobe to be slower, less athletic, as well as physically smaller. IMO his ball handling, footwork, pivoting, slashing skill is superior to LBJ. But operating under the triangle we have nor will ever see these skills on display in the open court the way we do with LeBron. In terms of physical toughness, I meant it not to be equated with physical strength. Lebron wins that hands down. IMO The way Kobe’s responded to or, in many cases tried to deny, ignore, or overcome injuries that others including Bron (hence the elbow joke) and other greats have similarly had responded to with less reslience, makes Kobe “tougher”.

  • mubwar

    nice one…im hoping he average about 28 12 and 11 and they crown him NBA MVP for the 3rd time and 1st time Finals MVP…book it

  • Jacob (from Australia)

    I’ve never understood why Kobe is ‘more clutch’ because he hits game winners? As said above, the whole 4th quarter is clutch time. LeBron might not hit the game winner, but he’ll have 10 points, key rebounds and key passes throughout the 4th. Sometimes Kobe will do the same, but there has been many games I’ve watched where LA let’s Kobe try and shoot his way out of a slump, and then going down by 10-15 points. By the time they bring it back, Kobe is shooting well and normally makes the final play time and time again. But if he had shared the ball around/deferred to his team mates, LA may have maintained a close lead and then easily pulled away in the 4th… But that’s just my opinion.

  • jonny

    At least you guys got number 1 right. But there is no way Kobe should be ranked over Durant or Wade. No Way

  • http://minusthebars.blogspot.com don

    Kobe is the number one player in the league.

  • IHaveADream

    @The Philosopher
    50 points on 17-32 with another ring and another year for LeBron without one while his image gets worse and the years continue to go by…turning into a great individual talent without the rings…sad story.
    @Jacob
    Kobe is a legendary playoff performer. People expect him to hit the last shot at this point. No one expects LeBron to do anything, but get the ball and attempt to power his way to the basket. Or step back and take a jumpshot that is still not nearly as consistent as Kobe’s. MJ didn’t come up big every time in the fourth quarter either but he did it enough to where it was expected, same as Kobe. LeBron has yet to scratch that surface.

  • http://slamonline.com Ben Osborne

    Thanks for reading, everyone. This has been a very fun top 50. The real thing starts Tuesday!

  • mytiman

    No arguments here. LeBron won 2 consecutive MVPs for good reasons. And to team him up with Wade and Bosh is really scary.

  • http://bulls.com Harry Twatter

    WTF is this? some kind of joke?…………

  • clayton

    can ppl stop saying wade is a ‘top 5 player’. he is a top 3 player no question..arguably better than that

  • T-Money

    How long are people going to pretend that Kobe is a better scorer? In his prime, it’s not even close. Kobe was basically a machine programmed to get buckets in any way conceivable. But now? When his one-dribble-fake-spin-head-fake-head-fake-fadeaway-jumper is not falling, it’s pretty much a wrap. I can the killer instinct, clutchness agreement (although I think that lay ups at the end of games like Bron did vs Lakers last year are not as memorable as jumpshots) but better scorer? At this stage of his career?

  • Jake

    Wow,really?

  • KB8toSG8

    @T-Money……why not see the series vs PHX or many other matches when KB was actually healthy….and I’m in no way arguing with this article…..opinions vary. That’s it.

  • http://www.ebay.com Tariq

    I’m the worst kind of Laker fan (the one who’s only been one for a couple of years) and I have no problem with this post.

    P.S.
    I’ll still be a Laker fan when they win 26 games.

  • Feez22

    Great write-up to number 1. If rings were the deciding factor in every GOAT convo wouldn’t bill Russell be #1? it’s not only about the rings people. It’s how you play to get the rings. Kobe IMO having shaq in this convo is irrelevant due to lebron having wade and bosh and magic having kareem and worthy. Great players win rings. However Kobe holds the distinction to me as a guy that plays at a lower level than he should in the playoffs even as the secondary option in this early decade. Talk about legacy… Kobe is the WORST shooter for a finals MVP and multiple finals appearance player in NBA history. He has only played higher than his regular season efficiency in the finals ONCE (v pacers) so the volume shooting tag sticks. Listen… I have said this since 07. Give lebron A superstar an he will win. Now that he has 1 in wade and a very good player in bosh we can finally see lebron reach his potential. thats te difference. Kobe reached his peak with crap talent bc he is truly a 1 on 1 player. Lebron will reach that with the heat bc in all senses lebron is a 5 on 5 player so we will see what happens this season.

  • http://Www.slamonline.com Negative Kreep

    Talking out his @ss ^^^

  • http://www.ebay.com Tariq

    Cosign Negative Kreep.

  • Playboy23

    Wow I really like this top 50! I argree, not taking nothing from the other players, but Lebron is amazing to watch. I’ve been following him since his Jr yr n high school. I wish him the best n to get that ring !

  • PlanetAsia14

    Good article Ben, but when it comes down to it, the Heat will probably choke in the Playoffs and Kobe will continue and get his three peat… Yes, I’m a Kobe fan, but usually the last play of a game comes down to a shot, and I’d rather take Kobe.

  • http://www.need4sheed.com Tarzan Cooper

    actually, this era belongs to Mr. Tim Duncan. four titles as the main guy, no question. 3 finals mvps, 2 season mvps. universally recognized as best ever at his position. timmy made RASHO NESTEROVIC a decent starting center, nazr, and elson too. who was the second best player on the spurs title teams? manu. kobe wants what timmy has had. THE GREAT TIM DUNCAN will win number 5.

  • kb24mj23

    Lol I just laugh at all the people who claim to drop subscriptions because Lebron got ranked #1. I mean, I think Kobe should be ranked above Bron too, but really… Drop a “5-year” subscription over a pre-season top 50 list? Settle down man. It’ll all be okay.

  • http://Slamonline.com nbk

    Man the crazies sure do come out for number one. Y’all act like Kobe wins rings by himself. Kobe hasn’t been the best player in the league for 3 years, but it’s ok he’s on the best TEAM. It’s not a slight on Kobe, just think logically you want a 15 year veteran who hasn’t had a healthy season in 4 years, or a 25 year old 6 year veteran who is bigger faster stronger more efficient and more durable. Over the course of 82+ games anyone that would take Kobe is blinded by bias.

  • David

    I’m unsuscribing from SLAM right now.

  • http://Www.slamonline.com Negative Kreep

    Tmoney: Question, When did Kobe fall out of his prime? Since 08′ No superstar has played more pro basketball than em’. Since 08′ he’s had a shot altering injury/ fracture to his index finger on his shooting hand. Basic logic, more basketball = less healing time = prolonged injury/ effects of said injuries. So in recap, the guy has been burdened with the worst sort of injury to a shooter, a shooting hand injury, has had less time to recover. yet has won a regular season MVP lead his team to 3 consecutive Finals Appearances, Two back to back chips, Ditto finals MVP’s, all the while in contention for the scoring title. Gee Tmoney, I wonder why most still consider Kobe “more game winners LAST SEASON than your favorite players career” Bryant the best scorer in the NBA?….AND saying “it’s pretty much a wrap” WOW. So stop it, your better than that. Your starting to sound like Someone I won’t mention by name, who used the phrase “washed up” to describe “The champ” please guys why don’t we try and just let history write itself rather than doing so before it actually happens. I understand that LeBron is “the King” (of hype) and some of you are “his sheep” but why don’t we stop handing things over to him before he actually, I dunno earns them? Kobe’s earned HIS rep & that’s why it’s HIS & not LilBrova’s. YET. He will get there, so chill, be patient & wait, don’t frontrun as fans. When Kobes healthy and THEN can’t “do it” it’ll be up for grabs like an underage female at an RKelly party. Til then stop 8itching n’ deal with it….and puff puff give!

  • Ryan

    Using Lebron’s stats to confirm he is the “better basketball Player” is a joke, and just goes to show you how bad some of the writers are for this magazine. Lebron james plays the small forward position and is alot bigger than kobe bryan. Of course he is gonna get more rebounds. Especially snatching them from players like Ben Wallace (remember that, lol).

    He will also have more assists because he is extremely ball dominant. KObe is best off the ball. Lebron James is little more than a spectator away from the ball. You guys are writers for a basketball mag, how do you not know these things?

    Have never seen such dominance (hello, 81 points or 62 in 3 quarters ring a bell?)

    Lebron james may be the best athelete in the league, and I’ll even agree with you on that, but the best BASKETBALL PLAYER? I think not.

    Kobe’s game has no weaknesses. It is polished in every aspect. There is nothing he cant do. Lets see Lebron post some fellas up. Oh wait, he cant.

    He just barrels his way to the rim full speed, and usually travels doing it. Oh wait, THATS A CRAB DRIBBLE LMAO.

    My last point is that writers are suppost to be objective, and this guy is so far up Lebrons ass, its ridiculous.(NO ONE CANT BEAT THE KINGwt$#w$#w$)

    The king of what, exactly? Don’t worry, I’ll wait

  • BRAVO

    WOW LEBRON NUMBER 1? MAYBE IN THE 2004 NBA DRAFT BUT NOT TODAY. I AM VERY DISAPPOINTED WITH THIS WRITE UP. LIKE I UNDERSTAND THAT LEBRON IS A TOTAL BEAST ON THE COURT BUT NO WAY IS HE BETTER THAN KOBE BRYANT! THIS IS WEAR YOU GUYS MESSED UP. BY SLAM SAYING LEBRON IS NUMBER 1 IS LIKE SAYING KOBE BRYANT IS BETTER THAN MJ! SO SINCE SLAM MAGAZINE SAID IT 1ST, I GUESS KOBE IS BETTER THAN MJ! SCREW ALL OF U PPL WHO THINK LEBRON AN MJ ARE BETTER THAN KOBE! ALL I GOTTA SAY TO YOU IS 81 POINTS !

  • John

    I agree that Lebron’s stats are just outstanding. No one really has stats like him. However, he is not the best because he is not good enough or strong enough. Lebron is simply mentally weaker than Kobe. Lebron is a grown up teenager and Kobe is a professional. Can Lebron mature this year and not only get stats but be mentally tough in hard situations. I give him loads of credit for stopping the Pistons but Dwight Howard has one more Finals games than Lebron. I agree to some extent but Kobe is still better. Hopefully, this is a reasonable arg.

  • http://www.slamonline.com Negative Kreep

    NBK: Blinded by the light! revved up like a deuce another runner in the night…must be that blinding sparkle off them RINGS son.

  • http://www.nba.com LEBRON236

    what can you say all LeBron haters??!! shut up kobe fans.. kobe is ONLY no.2.!! don’t be stupid, LeBron is number 1!!

  • http://www.nba.com LEBRON236

    what can you say all LeBron haters??!! shut up kobe fans.. kobe is ONLY no.2.!! don’t be stupid, LeBron is number 1!!

  • http://www.threadsandkicks.com.au Eduardo

    LeBron’s a great athlete. If only he could do what Kobe Bryant did against the Phoenix Suns in the Playoffs. Kobe Bryant took over those games. LeBron couldn’t do the same against the Celtics and everyone blamed his weak supporting cast that had the best record in the league 2 years in a row.

  • M5
  • EJ

    Last year I thought Lebron would’ve taken the number 1 spot, but he proved me wrong and showed that Kobe is the real king, and Lebron is still like a little brother to him. I won’t believe this rank until I see that he deserves this, cause I don’t trust this douchebag. I apreciate true skills and mental toughness over huge stat lines. And Lebron hasn’t got it is my opinion for now.

  • obo

    STEPHEN JACKSON is not in the top 50 ? i dont think so

  • http://www.stonesthrow.com Michael NZ

    Turns out, the biggest screw-up of SLAM’s top 50 list was putting numbers one and two up on a Saturday.

  • http://hoopistani.blogspot.com hoopistani

    Funny that the number one player for the 2010-11 season will be the number two player in his own team

  • http://www.triplejunearthed.com/dacre Dacre

    Where’s my post?

  • don

    Great list Slam! and i agree with the writing. I’m hoping for 25-10-10 season from lebron as well, and that’s coming from a big Melo fan.

    slam thanks for coming up with the list. This is the first thing i read coming to work every morning.

    great list, great write ups. and if you have to ask me which of this articles sticks out to me even now? it’s the AMare article written by the kids.

    more power slam!

  • xsh

    Lebron James, the no 1 player of NBA !!!!!

  • Whitey

    Who won the NBA championship the last 2 years THE LAKERS and who is the BEST player on the LAKERS KOBe BRYANT so who is the best player in the league lebron????? Helll no Kobe has been the best player on the winning team the last 2 years so KOBE is the best player in the league not lebron

  • IHaveADream

    @hoopistani
    It is funny, isn’t it? lol. With LeBron and Bosh, they couldn’t beat the Hawks and Bobcats. It’s still D-Wade’s team.

  • str8 from samoa

    YES!

  • Mia

    Would everyone stop with the Lebron Vs. Kobe if you are not going to look at the situation logically. Kobe is one of my favorite players but he is not the most efficient of players. I have been following him since high school. He got to choose what team he wanted to go to. He sought out Phil Jackson (The best coach of all times). And he had the great fortune to have a great team at an early age. Kobe got to grow into his role as a leader. He had people to help him along and time to grow. He did not become a leader and a main focus on the team until after Shaq left. 8 years into his career.
    Lebron had the opposite fortune. He was the man out of the gate. He did not have Phil Jackson to show him the way Like MJ and Kobe. His coach was Mike Brown who did not have a very good offensive system. Kobe has the fortune to play in the best city (LA) with the best coach (Phil Jackson) and the best basketball organization (Lakers). Everything is on Kobe’s side. So comparing Lebron and Kobe because of rings is ridiculous.

  • Yesse

    LeBron might be the best player, but he certainly is not putting up those numbers next season. It’s probably Durant coming up as a scoring champion again and then Kobe and then some other all star and then somebody from Heat.

  • IHaveADream

    @Mia
    How did he choose what team he would go to? He got drafted by the Hornets and traded to the Lakers. And how did he seek out Phil Jackson? He didn’t become the coach of the Lakers until 1999, Kobe had been in the league for 3 seasons already. Kobe was already a leader before Shaq left, that’s why he had problems when Shaq showed up to camp out of shape every season.

  • JD

    I think people shouldn’t hate on LeBron so much. I agree that some of it was deserved with ‘The Decision’ and then when everyones hating on him playing the race card. But i think people shouldnt hate him until Miami have started winning becuase i can agree wuth people hating on a team for winning too much(L.A Lakers, i’m still waiting on you to lose) but you can’t blame anyone on their roster for wanting to win.I dont get how MJ,Bird,Magic, and all the other greats are criticising him for this and saying they would have never joined together on one team.But Jordan probably had better teamates as did Magic and Larry. Lebron is still the best. I can see him averaging 10 assists a night now he has more people who can make shots around him, but i cant seem him rebounding with 10 boards a night contending with CB4.

  • Mia

    @IHaveADream on draft night Kobe said that he will not enter the NBA if he had to go to the Charlotte Hornets. He said he would only go to the LA Lakers. Magic Johnson did the same thing. Look it up it is documented. Also Kobe said himself when Phil Jackson first came to the Lakers that he studied Phils triangle offense and tried to get him to the lakers after he left the Bull. And Kobe was not a leader before Shaq left because Phil Jackson was quoted as saying only a couple of years ago that Kobe has grown into a leader. He said when Shaq was on the team that nobody wanted to listen to Kobe. Everyone would listen to Shaq. Phil Jackson said that himself.

  • http://slamonline.com Matt Lawyue

    Ha, all the people trashing Ben. It’s like you forget he’s the EIC. Well done with the list again, Ryne!

  • IHaveADream

    To all you LeBron lovers, if the Heat win some championships, you will have to say the same thing about him that you say about Kobe during the years he played with Shaq…D-Wade is number one and LeBron is number two. We will see if you guys are willing to say that, I doubt that you will.

  • Ryan

    Well put, IHaveADream. You know they wont be willing to say that. Mostly because all of the “KINGS” fans cant even type a sentence correctly, and know nothing about basketball.

  • Overtime

    @ Ben, in response to the last paragraph, I couldnt agree more. Far too many people who will put their opinion down as though it is fact, and use capital letters and exclamation marks as though they are valid points.
    While I think it would be a bit much to say your write up changed my mind, it was a good quality read, that does make me appreciate Lebron a bit more.
    Will he ever be a personal favourite of mine? No. Will I ever like him as much as i did in the earlier part of his career? Probably not.
    But I can appreciate his talent. In my opinion, he isnt the best player, but i dam well understand why people think he is.
    Always love this list, now bing back for old times sake

  • Jordan V’s

    I don’t understand how anyone can actually argue that LeBron isn’t the best player in the league. It is not even opinion, it is a fact. Regardless if you love or hate the guy (Sup Cleveland?) you can’t dismiss his “talents”. Although he hasn’t won a ring, he has proven to be a winner. And his numbers absolutely speak for themselves.

  • matt

    So if jordan was in the league right now at kobe’s age, you’d say lebron was better? dang. Zero rings and still giving him that “elbow” injury and him quitting in the playoffs…..

  • IHaveADream

    I don’t see how anyone can argue that LeBron is the best basketball player when Kobe’s skill set is still higher than his. LeBron’s the best athlete. But pure basketball skill? Kobe has him on that. People are just excited by the dunks, blocks and fancy passes. They get giddy when LeBron throws powder into the air before the games. LeBron’s talents are passing, bull dozing his way to the lane, blocking shots from behind, occasionally playing defense when he can perhaps get a steal or block to add to his stat line, and dunking. He’s great during the regular season for SportsCenter top 10, but when it comes to winning and the desire to win, Kobe has him beat by a long shot.

  • Ryan

    Again, another Lebron guy trying to sum up all aspects of basketball simply using stats. It’s about coming through when your team need you at the end of games. NOt just putting up number. Making the right decisions to win games at the end.

  • http://www.kb24.com The Seed

    As the biggest Kobe fan, I get why people like Lebron’s game he is fast and atheltic and uses his strength driving through the lane at full speed barreling over folks, taking the contact to make and 1′s as his go to move. I see why people don’t like his game, when the game is on the line, he wants to drive to the lane and look for a bail out call than shoot a mid range jumper or because think about it, Lebron game does not have alot of flair or flash its more like Adrian Peterson of the NFL, he is great, but is one track, but something is missing. Kobe game reminds most poeple of MJ with his flair for the dramatics and his killer instinct and his ablitiy to want to take every tough shot no matter if he misses it or makes it. I would say Kobe is the Chris Johnson of the NFL, more flair and flash, sometimes will get tackled for a lost, but once he gets open, he will get you ALL DAY. I would take Chris Johnson over Adrian Peterson, because Chris can do more things catch, run routes and has better lateral movement. In NBA terms Kobe can do more with the ball in the post, off the dribble and is willing to take a shot, when everyone else is runnning from the ball and Kobe can handle a lost and don’t need to jump ships for a ring. For those who feel Lebron is fine for jumping ship, think about it Lebron could have been the man in Chi, or New York, but choose to play in Miami with friends, tell me what NBA superstar in the past would choose to play with friends over being the man with a better team in Chi or a team were Amare is waiting for him. People forget NBA analyst were saying if the Cavs would have gotten Amare they were picking them to make the NBA Finals even more. Yall must of forget Lebron choose his destiny and I can care less about his playoff stats, BECAUSE YOU PLAY TO WIN THE GAME, and don’t bring up teammates when everyone the last few years was picking the Lebron led best record team in the NBA to go to the NBA finals, they don’t get there so lets blame team. LOL!! Also people also need to realize Howard will dominate the East to me more than Lebron, Orlando will have best record in the east and the Celtics will knock out the Heat. You heard it first here. BOOK IT!!!

  • float_world

    I have no problems with the list or number one. I think Slam did a fair job of ranking players; it’s not that easy when you think about it. Lebron is still the best in the league by a long shot. I’m not saying he’s the best closer or game finisher. Stats,making his teammates better, playin the right way, upcoming season potential…its still Lebron all the way. KD may be a more prolific scorer but he can’t defend as well or rebound or impact the game when his shot isn’t falling.

  • http://Slamonline.com nbk

    Shout out to all the false prophets

  • IHaveADream

    Shout out to all the Kobe haters with no proof of how LeBron somehow became the best player in the league except meaningless stats that were accumulated while he was the end all be all offensively for the Cavaliers and had the ball in his hands all the time.

  • Ryan

    Explain to me how Lebron makes his team mates better. By holding the ball till the is 4 second on the shot clock and passing it to someone with 2 seconds left or shooting? He gets those assists because he holds the ball the whole shot clocks and then when he makes a pass with 2 seconds left and then passes, the shooter HAS to shoot it lol.

  • Jake

    I really want Kobe to go on another string of 50+ point game scoring tears but then everyone will start crying about him being a ball-hog again.

  • float_world

    On those knees?!!! Kobe’s days of back to back 40pt + games are over. Even Phil knows it, that’s why his minutes will be limited.

  • http://www.youtube.com/user/Uncle05Sam Earl

    YOU IDIOTS.

  • Spencer

    Agreed, i mean just look at all this “Were looking to Pau to play a bigger role” crap. Phil sees it coming. Not that Kobe won’t have a great season just look for all the stats to receed a little.

  • greatnesspersonified

    lol @ the majority of posters agreeing that Ben Osborne & SLAM really fked this up. Comon guys, you used to be the best ball mag in the world. You can do better than this garbage. Kobe > LBJ Anyday.

  • http://bassbesteck.wordpress.com Bassbesteck

    i think durant at 3 was the only postion i could not agree with on here… although i would have loved my man drose in the top 10… still thanks for something to read until the 26th

  • wtf

    funny, the king with no rings gets picked #1? tell me how exactly? only reward he has is a MVP trophy….smh. On the other side, Kobe has 5 RINGS, dunk contest trophy, season MVP, 2 time Finals MVP, etc. If LeBron is a King, Kobe must be God, f*ck LeBron and this dumb ass writer.

  • manz

    1. Kobe 2. Lebron 3. Wade 4. KD 5. Melo

  • http://twitter.com/smileyoufckers Bryan

    I’ll get killed for this but I’ll take 25 year old tmac over Bron too.

  • http://thetroyblog.com Teddy-the-Bear

    I’ll take 25 year old T-Mac over almost ANY player in this league. What he needed in Orlando was a decent supporting cast; what he needed in Houston was decent health. It’s a shame one always eluded him when he finally had the other.

  • http://Slamonline.com nbk

    Tmac has not been even an above average defender since Toronto. A 25 year old Tmac is just a scoring machine, he has never done much in terms of winning. His best season came while his team had the worst record in the league. If LeBron played on a team that finished last that would b ammo for you to say Kobe is better for all of you forever. But since it was 8 years ago and McGrady with even worse production you would take him. That’s grossly illogical. Clevelands record this season will prove how good LeBron is. From 66 wins to 26.

  • rbk

    “in retrospect we know he was dealing with some combination of a bad elbow, thinking about his future, brutal rumors about his mother,”

    After I read this sentence, I stopped reading. No joke. I didn’t know basketball writer also doubled as mind readers, too. If he sh*ts the bed this year in the playoffs, are you going to come up with the same excuses?

  • Dre

    I hope to God LeBron gets his ring this year.. Then maybe people will finally consider him the best and see he’s number 1. On the other hand, if Kobe gets his 6th while LeBron has this team.. I think it will be easier to say Kobe because Bron has no more excuses. So lets all just calm down and enjoy what should be an awesome season, because I think in June it will be much clearer as to who is the best player in this League.

  • Ryan

    To the paragraph before this: Yeah Dre, because having to join up with 2 other superstars to win something proves you are the best basketball player in the league, lmao. Are you serious?

  • http://andrewwoods86@hotmail.com brill

    lol how can u say you would take tmac over bron at 25 and lament him not having a strong supporting cast. when lebron had the same problem and everyone lambast him for not having a chip. ummmmm tmac never ever made it out the 1st round….smh. not a slight against tmac cause i thought he was a unselfish kobe but more of a way to point that i dont understand the logic ppl use when they discuss lebron. my opinion he is ahead of kobe. dare i say even a more efficient scorer. jus look at the fg %. 30 8.5 and 7 is undisputable greatness. just check the history books

  • Ryan

    If Kobe went to Miami to join Wade and Bosh and won, would that make KOBE the best?

  • Ryan

    The difference between Tmac’s team and Lebron’s team is that the Cavs had the best record in the league 2 years in a row, and you cant do that by yourself, as much as Lebron would like to. And they still couldnt do it.

  • Dre

    Kobe has Gasol, who is one of the best big guys in the league, and probably the most skilled at that. And your telling me Lamar Odom couldn’t match up with Chris Bosh? You act like Kobe has the team he had in 06-07. Kobe has plenty of help, just as much as Lebron.

  • BALLER 4 LIFE

    ESPN SAVES THE NBA FROM LOCKOUT!!

    While so many people have vilified Lebron and have pretty strong opinions about “The Decision” and hate it or love it, it was the most Blogged about sports event since Blogging exploded. The show gave ESPN monster ratings and put food on the table for many a sports writers. The very fact that Lebron was even available, along with other free agents of course like Wade, Amare, Bosh and Boozer, created the league wide cap space for the new NBA landscape that just may have saved this league from a dreaded lockout. By most teams opening up so much cap space hoping to snag Lebron or Wade – this created a wide enough opening for players like Amare to go to NY and Boozer to go to Chicago and Joe Johnson to be the highest paid third tier player in the league. But without question the fact that Lebron, not Bosh but Lebron, went to Miami, and yes in retrospect even they way he did it, is what has created the pulse of this new hunger for NBA Basketball. Not that I think he planned it but he may have stumbled upon something- Just like Muhammad Ali whom many hated and wanted to see lose because of his bragging but whose skill was unsurpassed. This means arenas will be packed and NBA League Pass subscriptions are going through the roof. The Miami Heat will be NBA Cash Registers selling out most stadiums along the way. With owners and players complaining about revenue sharing in an economy where many owners are loosing money it seems like Mr. James decision has delivered the “Big Piece of Chicken” on the plate- Whether he’s “The King” or “Lebum” everyone wants to tune in. Which means the NBA is in for a banner revenue year. HAD HE STAYED IN CLEVELAND NONE OF THIS HAPPENS

  • http://twitter.com/smileyoufckers Bryan

    NBK Mac was lock down in Orlando. I said it wrong anyway , I’ll take an in his prime Tmac over Lebron. Better defender, more complete scorer (post game, three point shot, better midrange game) He was equal to Bron at attacking the basket, and nearly his level of passing , he was just more selfish. There was nothing Bron did better in my opinion. You do realize that Mac’s best teamates those seasons in O town were Darrel Armstrong and Mike Miller. And he had Pat Garrity as a starter. Oh yeah also a 39 year old Pat Ewing, Bo Outlaw, John Amaechi and Jacque Vaughn all got starts and significant playing time. If we can blame Bron’s roster for his failures then I say we can Blame Tmac’s also. Lebron wouldn’t have done anything more with that roster.

  • BALLER 4 LIFE

    He has definitely reinvigorated LA and Boston. If those older bones needed any incentive to go harder they have all the lockeroom material they need. Just look at all of the subplots this year – Can Kobe 3 Peat and equal Mike with 6 rings (Two 3 Peats)- Can Phil Jackson complete his fourth 3 Peat and now that he’s passed Red ride off into the sunset maybe beating Pat Riley again this time as a Laker- Can the New Look Celtics with two O’Neal’s stay healthy and make it back to the finals to stop Kobe whose West Coast threats have become lessened- Can Dwight and the Magic break through- Or can the “Super Friends” break up everyone’s party and gel within the first year ala Boston 08. From KD and his Young Turks to D Rose and Boozer in Chicago, none of this would be possible if Lebron and Wade had signed extensions year before last, just those two. Instead of 5 or 6 teams opening up so much cap space it would have been 1 or 2. But now there’s more available revenue to negotiate with which will surely help with the impending lockout which as of right now is not looking good, but after a season like this who would want to kill the “Golden Goose” when interest would be at an all time high or at least as high as Michael’s second coming. Hope is on the horizon, new life has been breathed back into the NBA and the timing couldn’t be more perfect and we all have a one hour special on ESPN and a 25 year old to thank for it.

  • http://andrewwoods86@hotmail.com brill

    before i respond. i have to say i love tmac, much more than i like kobe. but come on that should be a testament to how great lebron is that he could will his team to 66 wins. I dont see how its a arguement. you want mo williams on your team? didnt think so and he was declared lebrons side kick. you add lebron the lakers delete kobe. i think he has a good chance at a ring. matter fact we have seen what kobe does with average talent. he gets knocked out the playoffs by the suns over and over and quits in the 4th quarter. and i mean quit as in takes not one shot. also put kobe on last years cavs and how many games does he win. i say 50 is a good estimate. kobe skill set is crazy. he is a beast and i dont argue against his place in basketball. i just feel lebron gets all these negative comments. if durant had lebrons stats ppl would crown him best in the league. which some are already doing

  • IHaveADream

    Whether LeBron wins this year or not, he still can’t be considered the best because if the Heat win, Wade will be the one carrying them. LeBron will just be the guy who passes to Wade. I’m sorry LeBron….I’m going to let you finish…but Kobe is still the best player in the league! *Kanye voice* And LeBron and the Heat better start winning next season if LeBron wants to even begin to sniff a Magic Johnson comparison let alone an MJ comparison. After this contract is up, he’ll be 31 and those legs will not jump as high as they do now. Wade will be 34. I’m not buying into the idea that they will just run off 3 championships in these 6 years with the Thunder, Bulls, Bucks and Magic still around and those teams will continue to get better as long as they keep their cores and add some better pieces around those cores.

  • Ryan

    So you are comparing lebrons team of the last few years who had the best record in the league to players Kobe had like smush parker? Hell, i’d take mo williams on the lakers, They also had antawn jamison who is no slouch, not to mention an older, but still a force shaq. Thats what more than kobe had those few years, or tmac.

  • Dre

    No, all I’m saying is that if Kobe can be considered the best player in the league with gasol, odom, bynum, artest, matt barnes, and lamar odom then LeBron can be considered the best with bosh and wade, especially if he wins a ring this year. But as I said, if Kobe gets another this year, then maybe he’s still the best for right now because LeBron has no more excuses for not winning one.

  • http://andrewwoods86@hotmail.com brill

    my point is more this. kobe has a stacked team. we all can agree with this right? ok, so ppl are sayin that if lebron wins on a stacked team that it doesnt matter cause everyone around him is talented. but kobe has done that riding on paul’s back and artest last year and no one has a problem with that. i dont have a problem with that but ppl’s logic to why lebron winning the chip doesnt count baffles me. what player in the top ten of all time has won the chip without a fellow hall of famer or all star or multiples of both? magic? jordan? shaq? kobe? russell? bird? who cause i could be wrong but i dont think their are any and no one is taking away from their legacy.

  • Ryan

    Artest was terrible last year besides his defense.He didnt even know the system. He can hardly be compared to chris bosh or dwayne wade, lmao. The same with matt barnes. Odom has always had great potential, but never really realised it.

    Sure, the lakers picked up pau gasol, but the team is built around kobe bryant. pau gasol wasnt this dominant force before he came to the lakers, was he? No, playing with kobe has made him what he now is today. No one talked about how good pau gasol was before he was with the lakers. Miami will have 3 of the leagues top ten scorers. Besides, the Heat wont even be built arorund lebron.

  • http://andrewwoods86@hotmail.com brill

    ummm if paul wasnt talked about before LA how is it a league wide thought that they stole him from memphis. and i agree artest was average during the season. but as everyone on here does, i point to the postseason. namely the finals and paul and artest carried kobe. key point the 6of24 night he had in the last game. and the heat def wont have three in the top ten. maybe two but bosh will be lucky to average more than 20pts per. im not taking away from kobe’s accomplishments. u cant argue wit 5 rings. im just sayin its unfair to knock lebron for wanting as talented a team as some of the other all time greats have enjoyed. and magic….smh he pulled out the draft cause he didnt like the team that would of drafted him. smh what a diva.

  • Callie

    OK,let me start by saying this article and ranking is incredibly STUPID! Kobe Bryant is by far the BEST player in the NBA, it’s not even close. You point out stats in your article, but stats doesn’t prove anything. Did stats get him a WIN over Boston? Did stats give him a WIN over Orlando? What happened when Lebron got to the FINALS? What was his stat then?? Let me guess…Your ”EXCUSE” would be that he was young; inexperienced.Okay fast forward anybody who plays the sport and knows the sport inside out knows how to play Lebron, he cant shoot his weakness. You pointed out that lucky Orlando game the last second shot what happened in the other four games? Micheal Jordan didn’t win ANYTHING until he developed a jump shot.OK you wanna talk ”STATS” we can talk stats!(12 straight over 40, 4 straight over 50) ”8 YEARS” first defensive team. The SECOND greatest performance in NBA history 81 points!RECORD breaker , 12 3-pointers in a game come on now! I can go ON & ON & ON, but… we don’t got time for that! And I bet you, you’ll say ”it’s not all about points scored, Lebron has ”triple doubles.”Points translate into 5 RINGS, what has Lebron’s ”Triple Doubles” translated to…A ONE WAY trip to Miami with NO rings, and a cry out for help from other STAR PLAYERS!”Can you please HELP me get a ring?? I cant perform on a big stage, but I want all the attention and glory that I am the number 1 player, PLEASE! I say it’s DISRESPECTFUL, and LUDICROUS!

  • bill breedley

    Ben Osborne has a man crush. God that was the lamest defense I have read for a loser who can’t win. If your man lover needs to defend your weaknesses and flaws almost half the article instead of enumerating skills and attributes, just maybe you are not that good nor deserve to be number 1.

    Cleveland brought all the players he askedfor and still couldn’t win. Hence he is no championship calibre clutch player and just a sidekick.

  • bill breedley

    Bron is barely even number 2 in the real world. 7 years in the league and already bowing down to be someone elses sidekick. Get real. Stat stuffing and overly focusing on getting in the hilight real is not the makings of a champ.

    Ben Osborne should never be allowed close to a key board again.

  • bill breedley

    MAMBA>>>>>>SIDEKICK
    Sometimes “#2″ is just way
    better than “#1″

  • http://andrewwoods86@hotmail.com brill

    sure he isnt number one in your tunnel vision eyes when all u see at the end isnt the light but kobes manhood.

  • T-Money

    Bryan: You can’t be serious. That argument is not even worthy of a counter but let’s go: 1- T-Mac stopped defending as soon as he got out of Toronto. I don’t know what All-NBA defender you are referring to in ORL and in HOU. He was actually questioned a lot for his lack of intensity on the defensive end. 2- I agree that his offensive repertoire was more complete but he was not a better three point shooter, look it up. 3- No current player is equal to LeBron going to the basket. He converts better than centers in the paint. 4- T-Mac was an excellent passer but the different in assists is staggering: 3 a game. 5- T-Mac never got out of the first round. I repeat, the first round. Yeah, he had sh-tty teammates at times but c’mon man, win a damn round. PLENTY of guys won a lot of playoffs rounds with sh-tty teammates, including Bron and AI. 6- Judging by his recent quotes, I’m pretty sure that even T-Mac disagrees with you.

  • http://slamonline.com Adam Fleischer

    Ben, this was an absolutely fantastic piece. A lot of great points presented in a convincing way. Your last two paragraphs were a welcomed wake up call, too, and I hope people take them into consideration. LeBron, to me, is certainly the best player in the game, and I think we’ll see that again this season. As you pointed out so well.

  • http://www.stonesthrow.com Michael NZ

    Honestly I cannot believe some people would take T-Mac over LeBron at age 25. Do these people even watch damn games? Jeez, SMH. Seriously.

  • http://thetroyblog.com Teddy-the-Bear

    Co-sign Bryan.
    T-Money, when T-Mac wanted to play defense, he could play defense. It’s just he slacked off a lot on that end of the floor. LeBron James is NOT an All-NBA defender; don’t let the rankings fool you. According to the All-NBA Defensive rankings Shane Battier and Ron Artest are worse defenders than LeBron as well–and Chris Paul was apparently the best point guard defender in the league at one point.

  • Ludovic

    Put Kobe on any other team, and it won’t be as effective than if you put Lebron on another team.

    Ex:
    Kobe on the Cavs Team vs Lebron on the Lakers Team? Can you see the difference?

    Kobe is replaceable on Lakers, and Lebron is not on the Cavs. Kobe on another team besides the Lakers for the amount of Years he’s been on would suffer. Mind you those rings would never exist.

    Kobe has had the illest setup on the Lakers. HECK the best COACh in the ENTIRE NBA League.

    All I’m saying is Kobe has always had an advantage, and that team support, he needs. And team support is not ok , but EXCELLENT. You can name anyone on the Lakers these past few years, and you can’t they aren’t impressive. Most are above average. That’s why Lakers and Celtics are super teams making it into the playoffs, because they have above average players all time, and veterans (experience). Cavaliers was never a super team, and will never be. However, when Lebron came in, it only took one man, the man I consider the best player to do, which is make a super team out of him. Lebron’s Seasons were #1 and he was MVP. Playoff has intensity. The Below average players Lebron had wasn’t ready for the playoffs. Reason why they were so close but fail at the end. But should you blame on Lebron!No! The fact that he took a below average team to the Playoffs, making them in #1 in the seasons for a long time makes him the best. Kobe can’t do that. Kevin Durant, Dwayne Wade, Chris Bosh, Carmelo Anthony, Chris Paul, and Steve Nash can’t do that either. O and they are very good, and have decent teams some of them. But Lebron can, and he had team that suck more than them, and coach that hardly tried. Lebron never had a real army. Please comment on my post by typing @Ludovic before writing. I would like to hear your opinion.

  • IHaveADream

    @Ludovic
    LeBron does not and cannot be as clutch as Kobe. LeBron can’t hit the shots Kobe hit against the Suns in Game 6 to close out the Suns in the playoffs last season. Therefore, Kobe is not replaceable on the Lakers.

  • http://www.nbaballhog.wordpress.com God in Basketball Shoes

    Great article Ben. Well written, valid points and a solid argument. You’ll never please everyone but at least you’re aware of this. Although it seems like a fruitless exercise, I’ve always felt that the most effective way to guage the best player currently in the League is to think of who you’d take as the number one pick in a fantasy draft if you were an owner wanting to build a winner for next season. In this regard, I’d take Bron number 1, Wade 2, Kobe 3, KD 4 and maybe Dwight or CP3 5. A huge amount of effort was put in to this list and my appreciation and thanks goes out to everyone who contributed.

  • bill breedley

    Lebron was never clutch Ben. The Orlando shot was such a fluke even lebron crapper in his pants not able to fathom he actually managed to sink the fluker. Name another instance he was clutch? Zeeeerrrrroooo!

  • http://andrewwoods86@hotmail.com brill

    ummm the pistons when he rolled out 28 straight points. thanks for the trivia tho

  • Mia

    Nobody seems to understand that the NBA playoffs is about matchups. When Cleveland play Boston Last year they were outmatched by Boston in every postition except Lebron’s. I do not know why everyone uses rings to decide who the best player is. You can be the best player in the world. But you have five other teammates. If your opponent has better players in every postion except 1 then guess what they win the game plain and simple. A great player can will out maybe one game by themselves. It is a team game. GET OVER IT! Lebron cannot beat Boston by himself. They had a great team last year. Rondo killed his opponent. Garnett Killed Antwan Jamison. Lebron Killed Paul Pierce. Kendrick Perkins and Rasheed Wallace dominated the paint. Its a team game. The only team that could mathchup with the Celtics was the Lakers.

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  • Ryan

    If basketball is about matchups and such a team game, then how did the cavs have the best record in the league the past two yeas with “below average players” lol

  • Ryan

    He had a pretty good supporting cast, but no team can win with one player dominating the ball like that. It kills team offense. Lmao at Lebron making his teammates better. He just holds the ball till there is like 4 seconds left, drives or passes. That’s how he gets all his assists.

  • T-Money

    Ryan: because they didn’t play the Celtics and the Magic 82 times.

  • Feez22

    LOL Kobe is better than lebron bc of his skillset? Listen I will agree that Kobe has more 1 on 1 offensive skills. But skillset overall? To me if your skills don’t translate into an efficient overall game guess what? They are not worth anything. Kobe with all the skills offensively he has still shoots bad compared to bron from the field, has a worse asst turnover ratio and in fact had a subpar efficiency wise yr not only last yr but the yr b4 that. Seriously lebron assists, rebounds and played better overall defense than Kobe last yr (don’t give me the Kobe elite defender crap if you don’t guard the elite guards like wade/joe johnson/how can u be elite really?) and on top of that scored much more efficiently. Or are assists rebounds efficient scoring and defense not skills? See that’s the problem with some of you laker fans you think skills are only about 1 on 1 scoring… Guess what? Team game. people rag on lebrons series v the celtics yet fail to realize Kobe played even worse. 29ppg is nice… But on 40% shooting? I guess his superior skillset didn’t help him there or in 6 of his 7 finals appearances shooting sub 44 percent. Skillset my ass the NBA isn’t a game of 21.

  • Michael Whyte

    Aren’t we all excited for the 26th. Haters are boring. But I do enjoy every now and then, a sensible post that doesn’t name call, or hang crap on either Kobe or Lebron. They are clearly the best 2 in the league. If you think otherwise you are ignorant, or a HATER. The Kobe haters need to realise until he loses, all the negatives are forgiven (there are a lot more positives be sure). The Lebron haters… you need to watch Lebron play. He is amazing.

  • Ryan

    You forgot to mention KObe was playing on a back back, knee (which had to be drained multiple times and later operated on, and a freshly broken and later mangled arthritic index finger on his shooting hand. And defense, here is the fresh out general manager surveys for the upcoming year specifically on defense. http://www.nba.com/2010/news/features/10/02/defense-predictions/index.html/ How bout you have a look. Where is Lebron? Im sure they are just hating on him, right? He can now ad them to THE LIST.

  • wtf

    @Feez22 Kobe actually did guard the opposing teams best plater b4 artest came in, so stfu and go ride lebrons d#ck, the king with no rings wont win it this year, and Kobes skill set is better, he has much better crossover moves, ball fakes, and footwork than lebron. LeBron cant shoot as good as Kobe. Kobe alone made more game winners last season than LeBron did in his career. All LeBron wants to do is a win a ring, hes desperate, thats why he joined wade and bosh, and if he doesnt win it with them, than he just straight up sucks *****. Kobe > LeBron at the moment, stfu and accept the truth

  • wtf

    player*

  • wtf

    btw LeBron aint winning anymore MVPS and awards anymore. Kobe or Durant got it on lock.

  • wtf

    Also, dont forget how bad LeBron chocked in the finals against the celtics last season & the season before that against the Magic. Wade will be the one to count on in the playoffs, cuz all LeBron does is choke when the time comes

  • wtf

    choked*

  • flipnoyce

    LBJ is back to back regular season MVP, how can he not be the BEST PLAYER in the WORLD. As much as I hate to say it, he might even get it 3 in a row if Miami play their cards right. The best all around player is what he is, well deserve!

  • Vongustedt

    @WTF yes averaging 35 9 8 in the playoffs (year they were defeated by the magic) thats really choking… jesus some people are so darn dumb…

  • Dre

    Amen! King James is the best player and that’s all folks!

  • http://www.slamonline.com Eboy

    Bravo, Mr. Osbourne.

  • http://slam evan thompson

    i hate james right now for what he did and most people do to but it is true and he should be number 1 hes and the other two are going to win alot of championships

  • http://www.slamonline.com jumpman3224

    Coming off two straight MVPs and in his prime it is hard to argue with this ranking. I’d prefer to see Kobe here, but truth be told, the last two years LBJ has been #1 on this list and Kobe has went on to ‘put a ring on it’. So we’ll see if that trend continues. I will say, I really don’t believe that LBJ will be MVP this season. He would need either a season ending injury to Wade, a triple double average or a 70 win season. Should be an interesting year and I can’t wait for the tip-off.

  • http://twitter.com/smileyoufckers Bryan

    Tmoney, I said his first couple of years in Orlando he was lock down, not Houston. Also his assists were lower because he was more selfish and also he was passing to Pat Garrity , Troy Hudson and Jacques Vaughn.

  • Mia

    I hate when people compare players that play different positions. Also the fact that Kobe and Lebron both came in the league after High School. Also Kobe has been in the league twice as long as Lebron. Kobe should have a better skill set than Lebron at this point. Wait until their career is over before you can really compare their accomplishments. Also Kobe had time to mature. Give Lebron time also. Phil Jackson said in his book that it takes the average athlete more years to mature than the average person because they alway have yes men around them and they get away with doing things that most people don’t. He say most athletes mature in their 30s.

  • http://twitter.com/smileyoufckers Bryan

    Also Lebron has a career high of 35.1% from three, Tmac has 4 seasons better than that, his career three point % is higher, he hit them at a higher rate including 2 seasons of over 2 makes per game. By what measure is he NOT a better three point shooter?

  • http://twitter.com/smileyoufckers Bryan

    By the way per 36 Mac 22.4 6.2 and 4.9 , Lebron 24.8 6.3 and 6.2. Tmac didn’t start til his 3rd season and has been injured the past 2.5. I’d imagine they’d be a little more equal.

  • Dre

    Hey Bryan, actually T. Mac averages 33.7% 3-point average for his career and Lebron is 32.9% career. You shouldn’t add the All-Star stats. However in the playoffs T. Mac’s 3-point average is 30.1% and Lebrons is 31.6% so I would say they are about even.

  • http://facebook.com Fede

    I LOVE YOU LEBRON :)

  • Roadrunner

    I love watching Bron play, but I will never believe that the teams he had for the last two seasons weren’t good enough to win the Finals, especially the team last year. If you can win 60+ games during the season, then you’re good enough. That’s where LeBron the leader has to show up, not just LeBron the player. He carried those teams for 6 months; he could have done it 2 more weeks.

  • Callie

    The last time i checked the (BEST PLAYER, MAKES HIS TEAMMATES BETTER!!!!!!!!!!).IN the regular season, the cavs were the best team.At lease thats what these so call NBA experts said.But if u watch the games for yourself,u would see its all hype!!!!!!!! WHY CANT LEBRON WIN IN THE PLAYOFFS? Its simple (HES NOT THE BEST PLAYER) Its funny when the cavs lose (ITS HIS TEAMMATES)In the playoffs you seperate the (MEN FROM THE BOYS).All these people talking about stats,(STATS DOESNT MEAN ANYTHING, IF IT DOESNT TRANSLATES TWO WINS!!!!!!!!!!).(YOU PLAY TWO WIN THE GAME).When your career is over,(WHAT DO YOU GET JUDGE BYE?????)At lease the greats(HALL OF FAMERS)RINGS???????????,with stats.Sorry lebron fans,(THE TRUTH IS STAIRING YOU ALL IN THE FACE,BUT MOST PEOPLE FAIL TWO EXCEPT IT!!!!(KOBE IS NUMBER 1,AND THEY KNOW IT),SOME PEOPLE JUST DONT LIKE TWO HERE THE TRUTH!!!!!!!

  • BALLER 4 LIFE

    Callie- “WHY CANT LEBRON WIN IN THE PLAYOFFS? Its simple (HES NOT THE BEST PLAYER)

    So Callie do you agree that Kobe has been “The Best Player” in the last five years? Or as some suggest the best since Jordan?- If so, then why not 5 rings?-Or a ring for every year he was “The Best” . Was he “The Best” when he was going out in the first round after Shaq left(05 and 06). LeBron never went out in the first round!- How soon we forget!!!- That’s when he made his trade demands if he didn’t get help- LeBron never demanded to be traded he played out his contract and left!. Listen the Championship run takes a lot of things into account not just talent. You have to stay healthy and have a little luck also- It’s a team sport and to say that you are only judged by rings then once again Robert Horry is better than Kobe because he has 7 rings!!!- Both Kobe and LeBron are spectacular players isn’t there room for both? Why does it have to be one or the other- LeBron fans say Kobe is garbage and Kobe fans say LeBron is overatted??

    BASKETBALL IS A TEAM GAME THE BEST TEAM WINS!!!!!!!!

  • Michael Whyte

    @wtf. You said don’t forget about Lebron choking in the Magic series 2 years ago? Did you watch that series? Lebrons game winner? His ridiculous 38.5 8.3 8 1.2 and 1.2 over the 6 games. Dump people saying dumb things.

  • Ryan

    Well i guess my last comment was deleted because it contained an nba link to the knew gm polls that they have every year. Seems all the gm’s in the league think ron artest and kobe bryant are the best perimeter defenders in the league. Lebron doesnt even get an honorable mention. And lets not forgot kobe played last year on a bad knee that had to be drained several times, and later required surgery. Oh, there was also his bad back, and his broken and later mangled arthritic index finger on his shooting hand that had to be splinted all year.

  • Dre

    This is where I have no clue of what games people were watching. The players that they surrounded Lebron with did not have the balls to go hard in the playoffs. If anyone knows anything about basketball they should no that some players don’t have the heart to step up in the playoffs and some do. If you have eyes you can see Mo. Williams, Jamison, A. Parker, even Anderson playing like they was scared to death. Lebron would penetrate like usual and dish them the ball and they would shoot freaking air balls. When you shoot air balls that means you are scared. If they didn’t do that they would refuse to shoot and give it right back to Lebron. I remember seeing during time outs Lebron motioning to his guys to shoot the ball. They were all timid and did not want to do their part. Lebron did not quit on them, they quit on him. Put him with some players with a pair and stand back and watch the fireworks. The thing truth is Lebron is the best player in the league period. Every single basketball “expert” said that Kobe would not have been able to lead the Cavs to the championship with the exact same team. So what does that say? It says that it has to do with the team whether or not you win, I don’t care how good you are. The players that stepped up in the finals were Artest and Gasol… supporting cast means everything. That is like giving me a race car and giving Jeff Gordon a 1983 Chevette. He is a better driver but I will beat him. How many of you were the man on your team but lost to a team where their main player you know you were a better player then? More then likely they beat you because they had a better team. The same goes for this situation… deal with it. Lebron is the best player in basketball… now watch what he does with real talent around him.

  • Ryan

    If you remember, he was on target to have one of his best seasons ever last year before he broke his finger. He was also far above anyone in the mvp votes.

  • Dre

    Ryan, that’s funny because everyone knows Lebron has grown as a defensive presence. I mean he was actually voted on the NBA all defensive first team twice… back to back. Over the past couple of years… he has definitely stepped up his defensive game.

  • Dre

    Artest didn’t even make first or second defensive team last year. He was on the second team in 2008.

  • Ryan

    Oh, I’m not saying his defense is suspect or anything. I just think its overrated. He gets the star treatment, just like he has since he entered the nba and accomplished nothing. Just like how he gets every call imaginable when he travels his way to the rim and runs into people.

  • Ryan

    Artest has the fastest hands in basketaball. he will make first team this year. He came in way to heavy last year, and ended up have plantar fascitis or whatever on his foot and slowing him down even more. We will see a lighter, faster artest this year. You can already tell by watching the preseason games.

  • http://Slamonline.com Ben Osborne

    really appreciate all the comments. Don’t think I changed many minds, but thats what I expected.

  • Callie

    First of all if u read my comment properly,u would see i said(RINGS AND STATS)!Like i said,some people need to (WATCH THE GAME ,AND UNDERSTAND THE GAME!!!!!!!!!)In 05 and o6 they lost two the (BETTER TEAM).Let me explain,for people like u who brings up (EXCUSES),that makes no sense.(WHO DID THE LAKERS PLAY???)The suns,at that time,they were the best in the NBA.(WITH 3 ALL STARS,AND HE TOOK THEM TO 7 GAMES!!!!)WITH NOBODY!!!!At that time the east was(WEAK!!!)Teams with (LOSING RECORDS)made the playoffs.(PLEASE THINK BEFORE U RIGHT SOMETHING!!!!!!)Like i said (THE BEST PLAYER MAKES HIS TEAMMATES BETTER!!!)When kobe asked for a trade,and got Paul(HE DELIVERED)(3 FINALS,2 CHAMPIONSHIP!!!!!!!!)(BEST PLAYER!!!!!!!!!!!)What about LEBRON,(SHAQ,MO WILLAMS,JAMISON,EXC.)What more do he need?????????????? LET ME GUESS(WADE,BOSH????????????)JUST A LOT OF HYPE AND NO ACTION.(CHOKE ARTIST!!!!!)

  • http://slamonline.com nbk

    capitals don’t prove anything….and try to use logic rather then random facts. You forgot that Kobe missed the playoffs (something LeBron has not done since his rookie year), that LeBron puts up better more efficient numbers in the regular season….and the playoffs. You also failed to mention LeBron has never played with a legitimate top 20 player, hell he hasn’t even played with a top 30 player. He has played with a couple of passed their prime great players (Shaq, Antawn), and a couple overrated guys (Larry Hughes, Mo Williams). Kobe has never won anything, not even a playoff series without another top 20 player with him. Get off it, you haters are illogical and crazy, and your capital letters make you seem even more bonkers.

  • Dre

    Kobe was able to have Gasol and Lamar Odom on his team. Lebron had Mo who is decent but not a big game player, the old Shaq (r u serious), Jamison did not produce at all and he is getting old. You can call it an excuse but it don’t keep it from being true. For example if my car breaks down on the way to work and I am late. Saying my car broke down is an excuse… but it’s true. Lebron has never had top notch talent. They wanted Amare and got Jamison, that is a big drop in talent and what they bring to the table. Lebron can’t make chicken sald out of chicken s#!&.

  • Michael Whyte

    Callie you’re an idiot. Don’t waste your time NBK

  • http://slamonline.com nbk

    i more or less didn’t care about a response. Just everytime something ridiculous pops up i feel obligate to atleast sprinkle in a little logic. even if its “complicated logic” lol

  • Dre

    Sorry Ryan I totally disagree bro man. The league legitimately waited until he stepped his defensive game up high before they put him on the team. Three years ago he said that he was going to turn up his defense and start checking the opponents best player and he did. He earned that spot my friend.Him and Kobe averages the same amount of steals, and Lebron averages more blocks. They both check the opponents best player. I would say both deserve to be there.

  • Dre

    baller 4 life made some great points and I always said by the Kobe lovers standards Fish is at least as good as Kobe and Horry is better than them all.

  • Dre

    Oh Ryan r u saying Lebron doesn’t get fouled and fouled hard? He takes a pounding… everyone would have to admit that. He gets punishment and he delivers. As far as travelling… it’s the NBA… everyone travels.

  • http://slamonline.com Allenp

    He should have been second team all-defense. But, I can see the argument that he’s a better overall defender than Josh Smith, and that it’s more impressive what he does on defense when you consider the role he carries on offense.

  • Dre

    True dat

  • jarrett

    Ben obviously didnt see game 6 against the suns last year.

  • IHaveADream

    LeBron didn’t really start focusing on defense until he, like everyone else on the team, watched how Kobe played defense as the 2008 USA team was preparing for the Olympics.

  • Callie

    First of all , ”THE TRUTH HURTS” i played basketball, I lived basketball, I watched basketball, I coach basketball, and I’m betting I know way more basketball than you!Are you CRAZY???? Shaq is not a top 30 player, Mo Williams is not a top 30 player, Antwan Jamison is not a top 30 player??? OK I’ll give you that… they are over rated, but you forgot one thing Lebron James is over rated too! I can’t wait until the Heat loses, then what are you going to say. OH let me guess ”IT’S THERE FIRST YEAR TOGETHER, OR MAYBE THEY DON’T HAVE A TOP 30 CENTER.” ”CHOKE ARTIST!”
    I’m an idiot? All you can say is I’m an idiot…Let me guess, there’s nothing else you can say about choke artist huh??? Like I figured, the facts speak for themselves…5 rings and counting, choke artist…0!

  • http://slamonline.com nbk

    You are a liar. Plain and simple. And if your not its plainly obvious that If you coach basketball its children, if you play, its at a local gym, and if you watch, its with your eyes shut. Or maybe you just have a low intelligence level and can’t comprehend english. or maybe it should be said like this YOU DON’T KNOW WHAT YOUR TALKING ABOUT. There is no reason to respond, not a single credible person in here respects your opinion.

  • Callie

    THEY DONT HAVE TO RESPECT IT,BUT ITS THE TRUTH,AND U AND THEM KNOW IT!!!!!IT JUST HURTS,BUT ITS OK,HE WILL GET HIS CHANCE, WHEN(KOBE RETIRES)HOPE UR STILL HIS FAN THEN,OPPS ALMOST FORGOT(KEVIN DURANT IS IN THE LEAGUE,SORRY.

  • Dre

    Callie, I won’t be calling you or anyone else any names but you are dead wrong Shaq at this time is no longer an elite player. He is just about solid… Shaq has been defended 1 on 1 for the bast 4 years and anyone that knows basketball knows that this is unheard of with him. Shaq just doesn’t have much left in the tank… he has played for 19 years. Kobe played with a dominant Shaq. Who also was the author of those 3 championships. Mo Williams is good at best and Jamison is also on the downward side of his career. I am not calling you names because I respect people’s opinion but if anyone thinks logically they cannot say that Kobe or Lebron sucks. There is no way you can put up those numbers that Lebron put up in the season or the playoffs and say that he sucks or chokes. Let us use or brain people Lebron commands double and sometime triple teams. The reason behind this is that teams are more worried about stopping Lebron then the supporting cast. If they were not worried about it, they would never leave the other players. Lebron has almost always made the right past all through the year and the playoffs. The strategy on Lebron does not change in the playoffs so what is different when during the reg season he is hitting the supporting cast and they are making shots. the difference is that they stop hitting the open shots or cutting to the basket and finishing. This is not Lebron’s fault… this is his teammates fault. He can not pass them the ball and then hold their hand to make sure they make the shot. It is time to be fair to Lebron and Kobe. They are both great and anyone that says they suck has n basketball credibility.

  • http://www.slamonline.com Michael Whyte

    Enough Callie, just stop.

  • Dre

    Forgive the typos… I’m on a blackberry sitting in a car.

  • http://www.slamonline.com Michael Whyte

    Well said Dre. But I’m not feeling bad for calling Callie an idiot. His grammar and CAPSLOCK being stuck on is enough, not to mention his point of view.

  • http://Slamonline.com nbk

    Kobe in LeBron’s Cleveland circumstances pick Any year after LeBron’s second where he doesn’t have Pau or Shaq. Who has a better record? Who has a better playoff record? Who has more success? The truth is obvious to everyone without a Kobe or LeBron bias (which is apparently very few) Kobe is the best closer with the best scoring weapons o f anyone since Jordan. He is rarely 100% healthy and has lost a step but has improved his jumpshot. He has/had the best teammates in the league and calmed down on teammate criticism making him a better leader. LeBron is not as good a closer, does not have as many ways to score but is a better defender because of his athletic ability and versatility. He scores more efficiently, passes and rebounds better. It’s not a big deal that LeBron is better basketball is a team sport where matchups matter most. The best player in any given season rarely wins the title. Unless that is if you have callies logic.

  • IHaveADream

    We can’t do the switch Kobe and LeBron thing because that is truly irrelevant. Look at the players, not their teams. It’s true that Kobe has had a great team for the majority of his career. LeBron has had a good team two seasons. But player to player, I can name more weaknesses in LeBron’s game than I can in Kobe’s. You can’t use Kobe’s team against him and you can’t use LeBron’s team to aid in your undying support for him.

  • Dre

    I can name the same amount of weaknesses in both their games they are different but the same amount. Lebron’s weakness is still his jump shot which has become pretty respectable and seems to be getting better. Lebron’s post up game needs work as well. He also relys on his athletic ability too much. His strengths are out of this world athletic ability, really good ball handling, high B-ball IQ, finishing ability, great court vision w/ passing and play-making ability and his defense.

    Kobe’s weakness is diminishing athletic ability, a pension for poor shot selection, and he is not that good of a passer. Kobe’s strengths are his jumper, work ethic, his skill set and desire. He still has pretty good athletic ability, and he has a high IQ and knowledge of the game. His ability to get to the basket is not as good as times past but it is still a strength and his defense.

    Michael W, I understand what u r saying. nbk u hit the nail on the head with your post.

  • Callie

    I did not say he sucks,i said (HES NOT THE BEST PLAYER!Read my earlier post.No matter what u say about his supporting cast.(HE HAD THE BEST RECORD IN THE NBA FOR 2 YEARS,THAT MEANS SOMETHING.Cant play the blame game on the supporting cast.there not the best but there not the worst ether.Just be real,he didn’t get it done! Look I’m not saying he isn’t a good player…He is one of the best in the NBA, but he simply not the BEST! I’m tired of people giving him a crown and he hasn’t done ANYTHING that can prove that he is better than Kobe! Better Athlete, Yes… Better player No! People just don’t like Kobe because he’s arrogant,and he had problems off the court..but that has NOTHING to do with BASKETBALL! He’s the best player… You know it, I know, and they know it…But they don’t like to give him his props, or his respect! It’s all about follow the money ”Hype Machine”, Lebron James…But truth be told he’s a very good player but not number 1 …SORRY!

  • http://dsjfklf.com Jukai

    Sorry, if you don’t think he’s the best player, yer a hater

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  • http://twitter.com/smileyoufckers Bryan

    The “put so and so on X team with the same players” argument is absurd and weak.

  • http://Slamonline.com nbk

    That’s not the argument I made. Use the slam top 50, take LeBron’s cavs the best version whichever you think that is. And look at Kobe and the lakers with a comparable number of top 50 players and just see who did better. If LeBron has less success in the next few years with truly great players around him them all you haters can say whatever you want. But until then what your saying is unfounded.

  • Bryson

    Absolutely agree with everything said here, the individual stats say it all

  • T-Money

    T-Mac’s (and Kobe’s for that matter) first seasons in the league should not be dismissed because they didn’t play. There’s a REASON why LeBron played 35 mins + in his first season: he was born ready, he was physically mature and he had one of the most incredible high school careers of all time. T-Mac and Kobe were not ready.

  • IHaveADream

    The teams that they play on and have played on don’t matter. This is about who is the best player, not who has/had the best team.

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  • Dre

    Sorry Callie, I happen to be smart enough to know that the best player is not always on the best team. MJ was considered the best player in the game a good 3 years before he even won a title. This is with Magic and all his rings in LA. People can change the criteria when it fits their argument. That is petty and immature. Everyone knew the Cavs did not have a title contender team. I am also smart enough to know that there are teams constructed for the regular season and there are teams built for the playoffs… ie: Boston. Look Lebron is the best player in the league… to go by your logic Kobe would be tied with Derek Fisher as the best players in the league. It is what it is King James is the best in the league… sorry. :(

  • Dre

    Actually, the who plays with who is a good argument. Even though the chances of both players switching and playing on the exact same teams is close to impossible it is very valid because it is a team game.. saying who each player played with doesn’t matter is ridiculous when comparing individual players in a team game. Since they will never be able to switch players all we can do is compare how legit the players for each respective teams are.

  • http://freeones.com jbn74sb

    As some of you know, I’m a card-carrying member and former president of the Kobe fan club. And if the Lakers are healthy, I like our chances in the Finals, against whomever. But it won’t be Kobe that beats Miami. Rather, it will be their inability to match up with our interior size and versatility that dooms the Heat against the Lakers in a best of 7 series. All that said, there is no argument as to the best player in the league. King James can rightfully wear that crown.

  • http://ji.com Joe

    Lebron hasnt won anything but indivudual awards so far, hes had one trip to the finals (and lets say he will want to forget that one after being shut down by bruce bowen) at his age kobe had three rings and lebron has had legitimate help the last two seasons. Lets just say if kobe was 6,4 and an average athlete and lebron was exactly the same who would be the better player? I think it would be fair to say Lebron might not make an nba roster and kobe would still be a superstar. Kobe had already developed a game over the past few years that allows him to dominate without using his physical attributes and as good a passer and as unselfish as Lebron is, his game is very dependant on his ability to over power his opponents, he is an amazing player to watch but when he gets to kobes age and doesnt have the same speed or hops he will not be as dominant as kobe is in his 30′s. Kobe has always had another dominant big man on his team but lebron has two other superstars so if they dont win 6 rings (becuase kobe will have 6or7 when its all said and done) you cant compare him to kobe. Kobe best closer in the game, lebron not so much, sorry guys kobes proven at the highest level (finals, two finals mvps) and lebron is not(22ppg record 0-4), as it stands now lebron shouldnt be compared to kobe bryant he hasnt accomplished an eith of what kobe has.

  • Dre

    jbn74sb, That is a good point. I just feel that once the Heat plays together and gel, that it is just too much fire power for one team to stop… especially in a playoff type format.

  • IHaveADream

    @ Dre
    Actually, comparing teams doesn’t matter at all especially when you’re talking about players who have different games. LeBron’s game is more Magic than Michael. Kobe’s game is definitely a lot of Michael. So you can’t think about putting Kobe on the Cavs or LeBron on the Lakers and say how much better those team would be. Yes, it’s a team game, but we’re not talking about teams, this is about Kobe and LeBron. If Kobe was on the Cavs, it would be a Laker type team around him. You put the correct guys around your star player. What suits that player. If LeBron was on the Lakers, there would be a Cavs kind of team around him. So you can’t discuss switching teams and try to decide how much better that team would be.

  • http://slamonline.com Allenp

    Joe
    That’s like saying that if Shaq was Kareem’s size he wouldn’t have made the NBA.
    Or if Jordan had Ron Mercer’s athletic gifts he wouldn’t have made the NBA.
    Well freaking duh.
    First, we have no proof that Kobe would ahve made the NBA because having skills and being an average athlete makes it difficult to make the League, particularly today’s league. Most teams don’t want an undersized two guard with limited athletic ability who has a penchant for jacking horrible shots and alienating teammates. That ain’t exactly going to have teams breaking down your door on draft night.
    Kobe is more skilled, Lebron is more powerful. That has no bearing on who is more effective. I’m not even saying Bron is better, I’m just saying that argument doesn’t make sense.

  • http://slamonline.com nbk

    IHAVEADREAM what you say is consistently crazy. If LeBron was on the Lakers he would have a cavs like team around him lmao that’s a joke right? he left the cavs because they put that crap roster around him and tried to peddle it as championship worthy. And if Kobe was on the cavs he would have a laker like roster? do you know the inherent difference between LA and Cleveland or is that too deep into the sport for you to think about? No player wants to live in Cleveland, all players want to live in LA, if Kobe was on the Cavs they would have a cavs like roster with Kobe. Wow i can’t believe i responded to that nonsense

  • IHaveADream

    @ nbk
    I understand your ignorance seeing as how you have a crush on LeBron. If you had any good sense, you would have realized that what I was saying is that if LeBron was on the Lakers, they would have built a different team around him. Like the one he had in Cleveland. And if Kobe was in Cleveland, they would have built a different team around him. Like the one he has in LA. And I’m glad you understand your stupidity with that last comment. I also don’t know why you responded since you have yet to present a single articulate argument on this post.

  • http://slamonline.com nbk

    ^^ haha – your right this miami team built around LeBron James looks JUST like Cleveland…..Infact I don’t understand why they didn’t just trade Dwyane Wade for Mo Williams, and sign Shaq instead of Chris Bosh. If that Cleveland Roster was built correctly he would not have left. GTFOH If this if that, make a tangible argument. Do you know what Tangible is? You don’t have any idea what would happen IF there were different circumstances, and to say something ignorant like the Lakers would build a Cleveland like Roster around LeBron James is quite possibly the most ridiculous thing I have ever read in my life. Congratulations, you have illustrated that you have no idea how the NBA works, how Roster building works, and you have also illustrated that you don’t know what an articulate argument is.

  • http://slamonline.com nbk

    and once again, i am not a fan of one over the other. most would classify me as a Kobe fan anyway….like i said, i have a dog named after the dude

  • http://www.dimemag.com Royal

    NBK:LOL if your dog is female then thats not a good thing…………..

  • Kyle

    Durant over wade, howard, and melo is an absolute JOKE

  • http://slamonline.com nbk

    haha good lookin out. he is 85% male, i cut off his balls, like the real kobe he was pissin on the property of those takin care of him.

  • IHaveADream

    @ nbk
    Once again, you missed it. Clearly incompetent. But that’s okay. Play with your dog and leave basketball matters to those who know what they’re talking about…you’re definitely not one of them.

  • Harlem_World

    Lebron is putting on a pretty convincing argument against the Celtics right now…win or lose, he’s the truth. Bosh, as I’ve always said, is overrated.

  • http://thetroyblog.com Teddy-the-Bear

    Yep, the Heat are LeBron’s team. LOL @ the people saying LeBron would be the “Robin.” 8)

  • http://thetroyblog.com Teddy-the-Bear

    8)

  • Callie

    Ok DRE U Said ur smart enough 2 know,the best player is not always on the best team??? HUH,DID I SAY THAT???????TRY THIS,READING AND UNDERSTANDING WHAT U READ!!IT MIGHT BE A LITTIE HARD FOR U,BUT TRY.I was talking about MAKEING EXCUSES FOR THE SPORTING CAST!!!!!!Lets try that again,this time SLOOOOOOOOOOOOOWLY.I was talking about making excuses for the sporting cast.Maybe u got it this time.EVERONE NEW THE CAVS DIDNT HAVE A TITLE CONTENDING TEAM????????? HUH???? MAYBE U SHOULD HAVE TOLL,THE NBA SO CALL EXPERTS,OR THE CAVS,HELL MAYBE U SHOULD HAVE TOLL ALL THERE FANS,OR THE NUMBER 1 TEAM IN THE NBA, THEY HAD NO CHANCE, O MY BAD THEY ALREADY KNEW.WHAT A SMART GUY U R.

  • Callie

    SORRY TYPE O,SUPPORTING CASE

  • Callie

    SUPPORTING CAST,BAD NIGHT

  • http://slamonline.com nbk

    And by saying that you have just discredited the website you are commenting on. So why don’t you move on to the NBA or somewhere that your opinion holds water? read your comments and responses with reason over the past few days, look how people respond. As a matter of fact, just read the articles and then read your comments, and remember the people writing the articles do this for a living and generally are going to be more knowledgable then some dude with a famous quote as a name. But hey if you want to keep acting like an ignorant child without the reading comprehension needed to make it through elementary school thats fine do what you do.

  • http://slamonline.com nbk

    By discredit I mean you are saying someone who says LeBron is the best player in the NBA without using any bias and only stating facts should, “leave basketball matters to those who know what they’re talking about,” like you the guy who said the Lakers would build around LeBron James in the same way the Cavs did.

  • Callie

    y dont u stay out of this,what u just said makes NO SENSE!! i was just responding 2 ,dre!!!!!! do u need some attention or something.I STOP RESPONDING 2 PEOPLE,HOW DOESNT HAVE A CLUE

  • http://slamonline.com nbk

    didn’t say anything to you

  • http://slamonline.com nbk

    maybe read your last comment back to yourself callie

  • Quest-4-18

    That’s the beauty of sports. One can argue his case and stand firmly behind it. Sometimes very passionately. The writer makes some valid points. Kobe supporters have a strong case. However, Kobe was not as accomplished as Lebron at age 25. However, Kobe played on a winning team. A true comparison cannot be determined until Lebron puts in 7more seasons. That’s the scary part. As a Celts fan, I recognize that Lebron is barely entering his prime and he is finally surrounded by strong teammates (although there is not much depth). So all of us Celt and Laker fans got realize this. We better get that rubber match we all covet this season cuz this is the last season in which the Heat will not be the favorite. We will then see the emergence of the Heat-Thunder rivalry.

  • Dre

    Callie, maybe you should learn to speak english before you insult me. I was the one telling people they shouldn’t insult you. You need to pump your breaks son. Like I said, you are the one who keeps talking about Kobe is the best because he has rings. That is a stupid argument when considering the best player is not always on the best team. It is what it is about the SUPPORTING cast. Watch what they do without King James. I also think you mean told the Cavs fans. Your mistakes wouldn’t look as bad if you had enough sense not to use caps. All of those experts stated that the team was good but not built for a playoff run. They stated from the beginning that it would be the Magic and Celtics in the eastern conference finals.

    nbk… once again you hit the nail on the head.

  • Dre

    Quest makes some pretty good points.

    Teddy all those people saying Lebron would be Robin are obviously Hating idiots. There is no basketball team in the world that he would play on and be Robin.

  • Dre

    Ihaveadream, unless they were to play one on one there would be no other way to compare them. Also, yes that would be the only real true way to compare them since people are always saying a real player makes his teammates better. We all are just giving our opinion with no real “scientific” way to prove it. I was saying in a perfect world that would be the best way to compare. I totally disagree with you about Lebron’s effect on the Lakers and Kobe’s effect on the Cavs. Lebron could play and greatly improve every team he plays on. As far as perimeter players are concerned most teams either need a play-maker or a scorer, some of the bad teams need both. Kobe is only a scorer and Lebron is both. Any team can use a perimeter play-maker and scorer all rolled in one. While most teams love a perimeter player that can score, if they don’t already have a play-maker they more than likely would skip the scorer to go after the playmaker, because you need someone to get scorers the ball and scoring positions. I said all that to say this, any player that can do both would greatly improve any team. IHaveadream, also stated that because Lebron drives and makes more shots closer to the basket it doesn’t make him a better scorer. Hello my friend… it does.. it makes him a better and more efficient scorer, especially because he shoots a higher percentage. The very basic and technical aspects of basketball is to take and make the higher percentage shots when they are available. Lebron does not take the shots the defense gives him on the court. He takes what he wants because no one person can do anything about it. Barring a need for a last second 3 if you ask Kobe if he has a chance to go all the way to the basket and score or shoot a 3 pointer, which is the smarter play? I guarantee you he would say go to the basket.

    AllenP, LOl… u knocked it out of the park.

  • Double A

    For any idiot who defines rings as how good a player is i would like to say this. Brian Scalabrini on the celtics owns a ring does that make him better than kevin durant and lebron james? Basketball is a team sport and you need a cast of players around you to win. Michael had pippen, kobe had shaq(who was the finals mvp 3 times not kobe) and gasol(top 3 center in the league), and the big three in boston. You want to define whose better individually look at the numbers not the rings cuz if you want to use rings to define how good someone is well then scalabrini and well the lakers team masseuse would be ahead of lebron and kevin durant.

  • Josh

    Being a fan of Kobe for 10+ years of course I had hoped, but did not see him getting first on this list. However, I also did not see Lebron getting first either. If this is truly based on this year, I think Kevin Durant will probably have the nicest numbers. He will score more points, average more rebounds, shoot better field goal percentage, three point percentage, free throw percentage and he will do it without two other all-stars. Based on the fact that Lebron joined Bosh and Wade his scoring will go down, his rebounds will most likely go down, his assists will probably stay the same and his percentages will most likely stay the same as well. No matter how much people want to think joining allstars will help get easy buckets, I would argue that it will not. Teams will simply focus on both Wade and Lebron, and since this is the NBA where (almost) every team has some talent, it shouldn’t be a problem.
    Again, if this is based on this season, I think the rankings probably should have placed Durant at 1, Kobe at 2 and Lebron at 3. But, thats just my opinion. Thanks Slam, I enjoyed it.

  • Callie

    Josh, I agree 100% with you! Finally someone that has some sense and seems to know something about real basketball.Since stats and percentages proves the better player it’s Kevin Durrant by a long shot!At least that’s what half of these guys think.GREAT JOB!

  • Callie

    Dre, HERE we GO again…First of all, I don’t need your HELP nor did I ask for it… I can defend myself pretty well, but thank you!I actually didn’t insult you, You insulted yourself!If you would’ve read what I said properly, and understood what I said, you wouldn’t be posting replies that didn’t make sense!#1 I said ”RINGS AANNNNNDDD STATS”, and the reason why I use ”CAPS” is so that you can (SEE ANNNNND READ) it properly. Obviously you haven’t been doing a very good job with that!#2 Obviously you missed it again, when I say Cavs I mean ownership…when I say (fans) I guess that’s self-explanatory!Let me know if I need to explain that too.#3, AT THE BEGINNING???? …What did they say at THE BEGINNING of the play-offs??? Maybe you was watching a different league or something. Or maybe I’m just not speaking ENGLISH again!

  • Dre

    You must be a child and I don’t argue with children believe that. You are speaking english but it’s not very good. No, you didn’t ask me to take up for you and I didn’t really take up for you per se as much as I just thought it was the right thing to do and insults were not necessary However, I understand now… I apologize fellas… I see what you mean. It’s obvious you don’t know what you are talking about and that is glaring. Everyone else understands what I am talking about except you. Look guy I am a coach at a really great hs program I played ball and I am a student of the game, I work with all types of coaches from hs, to college, to the NBA in all types of tourneys and clinics. I am always trying to learn more and get better but there is one thing I personally know… and that is I know what I’m talking about when it comes to basketball. I have no time to argue with a child.

  • http://Slamonline.com nbk

    Haha frustrating huh Dre?

  • Callie

    I am 33 thank u,but this child seems 2 be on to a good start.The heat looks like another version of the cavs,kobe still look like the best player,durant looks like hes going to take that over shortly.once again the excuse will come.STOP apologizing,and looking for somebody to save u.U started it, now u got no real facts 2 back up your theory.Your not the only hs coach.By saying that coaches r human 2,because u work with collage to the NBA,makes ur opinion right,I dont think so.Have watch the NBA LATELY.I know its early,but so far?

  • Callie

    NBK,still looks like u need a friend

  • http://Slamonline.com nbk

    Your 33 and that is how you present yourself? Haha think of a better lie then that

  • http://www.slamonline.com zog

    kobe 1 durant 2 melo 3 paul 4 lebron 5

  • Double A

    ^lol lebron at 5 go check the the stat sheet and the top 10 list on any site.

  • Dre

    That was a dumb comment about the Heat after one game. That was not the informed comment of any 33 year old I know. They don’t look like the Cavs the way they dismantled the Magic. They beat them like that and they still haven’t gelled yet. Kobe looks mediocre nothing at all to brag about Lebron looks like the second best pg in the league behind Rondo after the Magic game. Yeah coaches are human but what know what to look for in a player, team, and a game. Nbk… yes it is.

  • Dre

    Lebron 5th best? Lol. Now that credibility is totally shot. Everyone knows to ignore everything else to come from him. Lol

  • Juice69

    Man …Kobe fanz are tripping why so upset Kobe has the rings and is one of the best…more over no one is hating Kobe…why can’t any of you haters see that the caliber of teammates that Lebron has compared to Kobe’ is a no brainer…Please tell me you would take Varejo ,Moon,Parker,Jamison,wiliams..and a 37yr old Shaq….over Gasol… Artest..Fischer…Odom..oh and Phil Jackson…Please!…heck the first three titles are because of Shaq…..MVP of all the Finals…yall need to keep it real..give credit where its due ….when Shaq left what did Kobe get..noting but pts ..out the first round in two straight seasons didnt make the playoffs the third season…Kobe is a great player and i appreciate his talent…and i like watching him play…But all factors considered Lebron is the best all-around player in the league…Lebron plays the game differently…and i appreciate his talent…and i am excited about Durants development…there is no need for vulgarity..its a sport..people…if you say the writer is sucking lebrons d-ick…then you are sucking Kobe’s d-ick….and because he has rings we are all supposed to suck Kobe’s d-ick…whatever!…Fastest to 11,000pts at 23…incredible…when it was Kobe it was cool thought right….stop it..thid dude is the real deal!!..i can go on but imma chill….tall the best to all the great players in the NBA…i know i will be watching!

  • Callie

    It may be a dumb comment to you, but I say this in the beginning because unlike some people… When they get knocked out in the first or second round,I can say I told you so. It’s funny when Miami played a credible team, and won you post a comment. Let’s see if your going to keep that up when they separate the MEN from the BOYS in the play-offs. Mediocre Kobe looks better than MOST players at their BEST! For a player coming off knee surgery, and looks that good being mediocre is scary when he gets 100%! But that’s just KOBE! Obviously you don’t know what to look like in a player or team. Because if you are a Lebron James fan you are 0-7, and about to be 0-8… You say you know what to look for in a player, but Lebron doesn’t have the ”IT” factor… Good player, not Great! And please if you want me to i can EXPLAIN to you what the IT factor is!

  • Callie

    My bad, i meant (Look for in a player)

  • http://twitter.com/MikeBreezyLHDC mikeb0389

    that was jus turrible[charles barkley voice] lol..all jokes aside, there is no way you can say the top 50 players and not have kobe #1. do you lebron fans wonder why the only “game winning shot” the show of him is that one 3-pointer on orlando? its because its the only one he has!! dnt give me that crap about the layup vs the wizards, who do u want with the game on the line? game 7, in which kobe had a bad game, he still had a GAME HIGH 23 pts and 15 board, yes more than any celtic. & if bynum was healthy in 08 we woulda already had a three-peat. bottom line, lebron is the best ATHLETE, but not skilled player.HE BARRELS DOWN THE LANE WITH HIS HEAD DOWN LIKE SONIC RUNNING! IF GUYS WERENT SCARED TO TAKE 3-4 CONSECUTIVE CHARGES ON HIM A GAME, HE WOULD BE INEFFECTIVE OFFENSIVELY!!! THINK ABOUT THAT! kobe proved that he is, even with a broken finger.

  • Dre

    Dude, there u go again everyone with a brain knows Lebron had a worse team. Kobe would have maybe gotten the Cavs to the 7th spot in the playoffs. Lebron has the “IT” factor… like everyone said last year. If Lebron has a bad game or doesn’t play the Lakers still have enough talent to win… example when he sat out last year. If Lebron sat out the Cavs stand no chance because he did so much for that team. That team can’t sniff the playoffs without Lebron… so yes he has the “IT” factor big time. Also, contrary to what most believe Lebron lead the league in clutch performances last year. See they are not kids and they are smart enough to know that hitting a last second shot is not all that makes a player clutch. As you might have already seen they use the player that takes over with in the last 5 mins of a game with his team being between down by 5 or up by 5 in that time span. See they like me are not giddy little kids and they understand everything that makes a player clutch.

    http://www.82games.com/0910/CSORT11.HTM

    “IT” Factor

  • Dre

    mikeb0839… just beause he is bigger and stronger than everyone and has more and1 plays then any player don’t hate. Unless a 3 is needed u always go for the higher percentage shot. If they can’t stop u from getting to the basket… why shoot a jumper? Even though his jumper has gotten much better. See… above post on clutch and don’t get all giddy and kiddy about buzzer beater. A real clutch player doesn’t put his team in that many last second shots. All though the supporting cast has everything to do with that.

  • Callie

    OMG u just dont get it.The it factor is a player,who does anything in his power 2 WIN,his shot might be off,he plays defense,rebound the ball,anything that would impact the win.Jordan had it,Kobe has it,Lebron, nope sorry.Even if u lose the game,u know u left it on the court.The will to WIN.Its not my elbow(excuse),my teammates (excuse),I need super stars (excuse),stats doesn’t shows this,when the moment arrives,these players(JORDAN,KOBE)excepts and delivers more than not.Your lost up creek a without a paddle.Do u actually read what write,hitting the last shot isnt all that makes u clutch? huh? define clutch in Basketball terms,o let me guess because Lebron cant do it,thats why u said that. REGARDLESS of what excuses u try 2 come up with,(NOT FACTS)hes not (CLUTCH),doesnt have the (IT FACTOR)and the last time i checked he chocked in the play offs,a king with out jewelry is not a king,self proclaim,premature thats what that is.HAVE U SEEN MEDIOCRE KOBE.THE BEST HUH,I KNOW!!

  • Dre

    Hey u don’t get it kid… I just refuse to believe that anyone 33 years old acts and talks like this. I never said Kobe didn’t have the “IT” factor. Kobe is great and he definitely does have that factor. My point is this, he is not the best anymore. I am smart enough to know that the best player is not always on the best team. My last point is this… Lebron is the best player in the world… PERIOD!

  • Dre

    U r truly simple… all I have given u r facts. Yeah.. this is a kid on the computer. Get back to class man before u get in trouble.

  • Dre

    He is the King of basketball son period. The thing is when u live in a kingdom even the property u own is owned by the King. Once again being smart enough to know that the best player is not on the best team. Many considered Kobe the best when Shaq left and they were getting booted out of the playoffs after Shaq left. Like I stated it is because he didn’t have a good team… it didn’t stop him from being the best. If you say it’s because he had 3 rings… Shaq was the MVP and the man of all 3. I had not argument with Kobe being the best at that time because he was. He was until about 2 years ago… the things Lebron can do on the court can’t be duplicated… I saw the light and had to be honest with myself. That whole will to win thing is a big factor but you can have the biggest will to win in the world and I bet you, you will not win every game. So it only counts to a certain degree if you don’t have the right team. I also believe that being clutch has everything to do with the will to win. That’s why Lebron was considered to by the NBA to be the #1 clutch player. Lebron is the best… sorry.

  • Dre

    Oh… I’m sorry you asked me to define clutch. Since you believe that hitting a last second shot is all that makes you clutch let me tell you what clutch is. It is just like the NBA defined it. Being clutch is knowing when your team needs to step up and take over the game. It is when you are down leading your team from behind to take the victory. It is when you are up in the latter stages of the game, doing what ever it takes to seal the victory for your team. It is using your game not to let your team lose. It is trying to keep your team from needing a last second shot to win. Last but not least, it is also knocking the last second shot down when it is necessary over finding the right player to knock it down. See I put your last second shot thing in there. LOL! Kids these days.

  • Dre

    Oh yeah… kid the thing about excuses if you are smart enough to know is… an excuse can be the truth. If your silly @$$ breaks down on the highway on you way to work (yeah right)and you are 5 minutes late. Your excuse is that you broke down… would that not be true? The thing is.. what you do to overcome it the next time it crops up or to keep it from croping up again.

  • Callie

    Here we go u just dont get it,u dont,u have blinders on,do u even look at the games?I dont know if i can put this any simpler for u to understand.Last year in the regular season he was the best player,only because kobe was (HURT).The regular season is for pacing yourself for the play off.(THE PLAY OFF IS WHATS ITS ABOUT).U cant win there,or at lease repeat what u did in the regular season?What does that tell u??? The play off is where your weaknesses are reveal,and if it is big enough,you get (EXPOSE).Just like he got 2 years and counting.Doesn’t have a consistent jump shot,Doesnt have a good enough low post game,(CANT PLAY WITH HIS BACK TO THE BASKET).Cant hit the shot when it realy counts,(THATS WHY HE PASSES IT UP,BECAUSE HE DOESNT WANT THE BLAME,BUT HE WANTS THE GLORY THOUGH).Cant play off the ball well(NEEDS THE BALL IN HIS HANDS TO BE EFFECTIVE). Cant hit the free throw at critical times in the game. I could on and on but,people like u have blinkers on and will make (EXCUSES)for why he cant do these things,maybe his teammates cant space the floor good enough,or the players aren’t good enough around him,(YOUR FAVORITE ONE),or he needs super stars,not one but two.Its funny when he doesnt win this year what would be your (EXCUSE)then,let me guess its there first year,O I got a better one they dont have a super star center.Lame, but your smart enough to know,that.I can only hope that u know that the(EXCUSE) u posted has nothing to do with basketball terms,(broken finger,bad knee,sprain ankle),KOBE,JUST WIN,BABY WIN.5 and counting,no (EXCUSE)here.I feel sorry for people like u, cant real talent and skills if it jumped up and bit u!!

  • Dre

    Pitiful… quite pitiful. Well we all know the saying about arguing with a fool, so I will leave this kid to the computer and his delusions cause he is just too young or too young minded to understand. Poor guy.

  • Dre

    Pitiful… quite pitiful. Well we all know the saying about arguing with a fool, so I will leave this kid to the computer and his delusions cause he is just too young or too young minded to understand. Poor guy.

    LMAO! I just refuse to believe his is 33 nbk. I would have to see him to believe it. LOL!!

  • Callie

    It’s funny when people claim that they are so called ”SMART PEOPLE” -But have no facts as to what their even talking about! It’s like they talk to hear themselves talk, and don’t even recognize how dumb they sound! Anyway score 1 for me, and score 0 for you! One more thing, why do you keep pleading for help?? Can’t stand on your own two feet? Maybe he can put your pants on for you! I guess we know who wears the pants in that family… I’m debating with a person who doesn’t even have a clue as to what he is talking about! You must be a really good coach

  • Dre

    He is not 33… maybe 13… this dumb kid thinks I need help for him. He thinks he won. LMAO!!! There are Kobe fans up here who think Lebron is the best player. If he wasn’t so pathetic he would be funny. Poor little guy. I feel so sorry for him… he just doesn’t know any better…. almost enough to bring me to tears (almost). Here is some advise son… go to bed you got school tomorrow. Also, stay out of grown folks conversation when they are talking.

  • Jay Reyes

    What’s the basis again for this TOP 50? Lolz!

  • Callie

    just like I figure,(NO FACTS),A lot of nothing.The question is whos the child? Have u read your post lately? Sounds more like a baby crying to me.Sounds more like a person beaten, and his last effect,is 2 insult the person,because he has nothing really to answer back with.But u ran into the right one.I guess I hit him to hard with all those (FACTS).LOL

  • Dre

    He really can’t bet that simple. Ok… the joke is over guys… which one of you is Callie for real. I mean guys for real… you got me going for a while but no one is this stupid. Especially since I have done nothing but provide this kid with facts. OK, who is it really? Is it nbk, Ryan? Ryan if this is you… I’m going to kill you bro. Ha, ha, y’all got me. That is just wrong… to have me on the computer trying to have a real discussion with an idiot that one of you made up. I guess… it’s like talking to a ventriloquist doll or something. Well… u guys let “Callie” ;) know that for me not to know anything about basketball that I got 3 college coaching job offers in the past 2 months. I’m going to get either one of you that did this. LOL!!!

  • Dre

    I would have never figured it out if it wasn’t for two reason. First, you had “Callie” to say that he was 33. Secondly, the conversation he was presenting was so emotion driven and a severe lacking of logic, forethought or comprehension. Those 2 things combined let me know that this was a bad joke. LOL! Good one!

  • KB24-BlackMambaIsNumber1

    Lebronze at Number 1? Hahaha. What a joke.

  • Callie

    Hey Lebron fans have you been watching the games lately? Best player what a joke ! Maybe he needs a super star center. See if some people who claim they know alot about basketball would have been seen this coming, but like i said I told you soo ! Still to early for an educated guess huh? Stay tuned !

  • L4k3RS

    I would disagree with the writer that LeBJ is the best player in the NBA right now. Stat lines look great in the regular season. But right now LeBJ is with serious star power and they are floating above .500. We are starting to hear quotes from this self-appointed king about how the game is not fun right now. The only good news is that we get to watch him crash and burn. He has no excuses now that he took his talents to South Beach.

    And as for the argument that his stats are monsterous, but that he had no help from his former team you gotta think…well that would tend to inflate your numbers if you are the centerpiece of your offense and things like Rebounds happen a lot easier for LeBJ when he bricks those outside shots.

    As for game winners and the couple that LeBJ has…Kobe got more in one season than most players will ever see. Being clutch, having Basketball IQ, winning rings even when your shot is not falling but hustling on every play to get 15 rebounds is what makes a great player. A true MVP. Stats are hollow when you consistantly get booted from the playoffs.

  • Callie

    What a pitiful case ! First, he didnt have the team to win it all, then he didn’t have the players, now it’s the coach and his offence with two other supestars ? Lmao what a joke, Is this real ? The blame goes everywhere but on him. Duhh it’s your fault, your just not good enough. He’s not a Jordan, not a Kobe , he’s not the best player; and never will be as long as Kobe is in the Leaque. All he is, is a Over Hype Money Marketing Machine. Stay Tuned ! Told you so !

  • jijiji

    Media Hype = no1

  • David

    lebron who?

    4 – 0
    nba finals.. i think i remember who he is…

    Manu Ginobili #1

  • mack daddy

    russ westbrook @ 8th best PG? come on man. Behind Reke & Chauncey?! BE. FOR. REAL.

    Dude’s puttin up numbers like Durant is. Gotta get Russ higher than 8. 5??? Behind Rondo, DWill, DRose & CP3? Yes, in that order too.

  • Nitzski

    This list is bad on so many levels…you can make the argument about Lebron-Kobe being 1-2 either way…but to have Amar’e Stoudemire as 16th behind guys like Chris Bosh,Brandon Roy?!?!?!, Pau Gasol, Steve Nash, and Carmelo…Amare is top 10 without a doubt and probably higher than that.

    To have Westbrook as the 8th best PG is laughable and basically ruined any credibility this list may have had. How the hell is Kevin Love not even on the list? Oh and Dwayne Wade isn’t the 4th best player in the league by any means…

    There are so many terrible rankings, i’d be here for hours going through them all. I usually respect you Slam but try again. This list just got rejected…

  • J

    Postseason Averages LeBron’s: 29.3 ppg 8.4 rpg 7.3 apg 1.6 spg 1.0 bpg. 0 rings 1 trip Kobe’s: 25.5 ppg 5.2 rpg 4.8 apg 1.4 spg .7 bpg 5 rings 7 trips Durant’s: 25.0 ppg 7.7 rpg 2.3 apg .5 spg 1.3 bpg 0 rings 0 trips Wade’s: 26.3 ppg 5.3 rpg 6.0 apg 1.6 spg 1.0 bpg 1 ring 1 trip Howard’s: 19.0 ppg 14.2 rpg 1.5 apg .8 spg 2.9 bpg 0 rings 1 trip

  • Tab Brown

    How on this list can you not put Kevin Love? He’s averaging 18 rbs this year alone and is the second person in Nba history to pull a 30-30.I understand his team sucks but give this man some props. Here’s most improved player of the year right here. Also get off of James nuts Kobe has been the better player and still is today.

  • Ignarus

    “…but you knew Mike could do it if he had to.)”

    That was the magic of the MJ hype machine and his bravado. But he DIDN’T do it and he DID have to, at least in his mind, from what we know of him as a ruthless competitor. Maybe you’re trying to sidestep the mindless MJ nostalgics, but MJ put up a record 63 points against a Celtics team that won the game. There’s no way of arguing, Shaq-like, that he made ‘em when they counted. GOAT? Absolutely. But Jordan never won it all without Scottie, who led the bulls to 50+ wins in MJ’s absence.

    GM’s and put together championship teams. No superstar wins a ring by himself. MJ’s claim to fame was that we won without a dominant BIG MAN (which was in comparison to Magic and Bird), not that he won it all by himself.

  • http://Msn Joe vande vrede

    This Lebron is the wrost player to ever step on the court. Kobe has prove that many times. Lakers are the best onlt because of this god named Kobe Bryant. Get this in your head kobe is the best, Lebron should be number #50. Sure he can sorce but does he have what it takes to go up a notch and play better. No one knows. And if you know basketball like i do you would agree with me Kobe #1 always even Michel Jorden said that.

  • TC

    Kobe #2.Dont think so. Jacking up the most shots on lousy fg% doesnt make you good. It makes him selfish. Noone wants to play with him. D-Wade is the real #2, followed by D-Howard,Durant,Stoudimire, Dirk, Melo. Somewhere down in the 10-15 range you could argue that selfish piece of no passing shyt. But,#2. No way.

  • reneh

    Steve Nash should be in front of Tim duncan and Chris Bosh. both those players are playing horrible while Steve Nash is putting up big numbers like he has been in the last 6 years. Pure leaders like Nash are only born once every century.

  • Tony Starks

    Whatever happened to the little kid callie that was in here posting nonsense?

  • Callie

    Im right here!!! I guess LeBRICK JAMES got his ring. Not 1 not 2 not 3 not 4 not 5 not 6 not 7 how about zerooooooooooooo . HAHAHA the best player , mmmm what a joke. whats the excuse now? I guess he needs another superstar center. He’s just a money making media hype machine.i guess thats nonsense too right? Let me knowwhen this clown wins a ring… i probaly be dead by then! LOL

  • Callie

    GUESS WHO GOT THE LAST LAUGH,JUST LIKE I TOLD U ALL,HAHAHAHA LOL

  • http://SLAMONLINE Anthony

    How is lebron 1 when ?? he hasnt won any championships. he doesnt have 7 he got 0. kobe should have been 1 because he got 5

  • ojmayoforthree

    lebron is a better all around player but kobe is a better scorer and more clutch. kobe should be number one because he has won five rings

  • jking6coop

    all you white people die

  • Black

    While I enjoyed the list, there are some major discrepancies in it. Like Chris Bosh being #13 on the list and LaMarcus Aldridge being in the bottom half of the list. Being an Atlanta resident now and a native NY’er I’ve looked at Chris Bosh’ game since he was at Ga. Tech and haven’t seen any vast improvements in his game. Not in his rebounding, his post game….Ok let me keep it 100….the kid is soft as a wet paper bag. He on a good day might make number 50 and if this is based off projected numbers it must be in a shortened NBA season (like 5 GAMES) and he’s going nut the entire season. Else wise REALLY SLAM????? For all others on the list it can be debated who’s number 1, but that debate is going to go on forever and ever similar to who’s the best rapper of all time Jay-Z, Biggie, Nas, Cube, Andre 3000….who ever you throw in that mix. It was the debate with Jordan and whom ever else’s name was brought up and it will be the debate for Lebron and who ever else. I will say this though, the King might have his jewels get snatched by Durant real soon if he doesn’t get that eye of the tiger in him….and the throne moved to OKC.

  • austin

    this is so biased it’s almost funny to read. Kobe is far superior to LeBron in history, and in the league today. To say the least, the NBA Finals last year was a bust. And LeBron promised South Beach not 5… not 6… how many titles? None. There’s no doubt LeBron is one of the top 2 NBA Players in the game today, but no one dethrones Kobe Bean Bryant. For 30 years old Kobe is going on season 15 and has 5 titles to show for it. LeBron is still looking for #1. And another thing, I hate the fact that Michael Jordan is the deffinitive “best ever”. If we’re only going by statistics and Championships nowadays, Kareem is better then Jordan.

  • DukeFromDeep

    slam u are soo off, lebron is totally gay nothing compared to dwayne wade. dwayne is explosive blows past his man in a heart beat where as bron need’s to be set up for the jam. i understand b ball isent all about dunking though being able to get past any player for the dunk is a massive attribute to the team. & having to be set up for the slam is more of a burden unless on the fast break. the same stands for blake griffin he is one of the top ten players in the league if u dont think so obviously u have spent to much time writing articles then studding the NBA to make though’s articles true. learn your facts before posting them morons.

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