Saturday, October 23rd, 2010 at 2:00 pm  |  412 responses

Top 50: LeBron James, no. 1

The definitive ranking of the NBA’s best players.

by Ben Osborne / @bosborne17

First off, I voted LeBron 1, Kobe 2, KD 3 and DWade 4, and any internal debates I had about that ranking centered around slots 2-4. I think LeBron was easily the best player in the League the last two regular seasons, and while I hated what happened in the Celtics series like everybody else, in retrospect we know he was dealing with some combination of a bad elbow, thinking about his future, brutal rumors about his mother, and, most of all, the fact that the Celtics provLeBron Jamesed in the following weeks that they were a lot better than anyone (other than perhaps die-hard fans such as our own Tzvi Twersky) thought.

Of course, as is noted on every single Top-50 post, these rankings aren’t about last year. They’re about this season. And when I think about LeBron, and this season, I actually bring my mind back to the first time I saw him play in person, a 2002 high school match-up between he and Carmelo (Bron was a junior, Melo a senior). I was at the game with LeBron expert Ryan Jones, who had prepped me for LeBron’s impressive size and scoring ability, but what I hadn’t comprehended before then was his court vision.

I saw a lot more of LeBron when he was a high school senior, and obviously watched the beginning of his NBA career very closely, and my first favorable impressions only grew. The positives were almost endless: incredible build, great leaping ability, good teammate, could score with ease in transition or half-court sets, took big shots…but none of it stuck to me like the passing. No matter his crappy teammates. No matter his obvious mismatches. If a guy is open, LeBron is going to find him. In many ways, even though the hype, the No. 23 on his jersey, the potential to be the “best in the game,” all conjured up thoughts of Michael Jordan, the essence of LeBron’s game — passing — was much closer to Magic Johnson’s.

Unfortunately for LeBron and his fans, by the standards of elite, championship-winning NBA teams, the collection of teammates he had the last few years stunk. Oh, sure, with the help of a solid defensive system and an interchangeable cast of role players who at least played hard, LeBron was able to overcome their deficiencies during the regular season.

Playing the bulk of his minutes when the defensive pressure on he and his teammates was low — blowout wins, regular-season games in general that don’t count for much — LeBron was able to conduct the Cavaliers offense like a maestro. He could play on the ball or off, make quick no-look passes or dribble for half the shotclock, sit on the perimeter or go inside, notch an assist or score almost whenever he needed to. The results? Frankly, remarkable.

Many of you may have forgotten these numbers in the wake of what transpired since, but LeBron averaged 29.7 points, 7.3 rebounds, 8.6 assists, 1.6 steals and 1 block per game last season for a 61-win team that played at one of the slowest paces in the League and whose second-best player was Mo Williams. Read that sentence again. And again. There’s a story on basketball-reference.com that was written July 2 asking how much losing LeBron would hurt the Cavs. The bulk of the story is mathematical jargon, but let me summarize for you: If the Cavs had an average NBA player last year in place of LeBron on the roster, the numbers and analysis crunch out something to the effect of 30 wins.

Understand: LeBron James took a team that, minus him, would win 30 games, and won 61. Much of the above narrative would hold true for the last five Cavs seasons.

Then, every year, the Playoffs started. Does LeBron get nervous? Can he not carry the weight? Critics seem to think so, but how do you explain Pistons Game 5 in ’07? The buzzer-beater against the Magic in ’09? The 35-9-7 average stat line in ’09? Shit, even last year, when he “failed” so badly, LeBron averaged 29-9-8 over the postseason. For his career, his per-game playoff averages are 29-8-7 (with a bunch of blocks and steals thrown in for good measure). Are you fucking kidding me? Does that read like someone who chokes when the games matter more?

I refuse to have Kobe Bryant be a big part of this post, but for comparison’s sake, KB’s career playoff numbers are 26-5-5. The guy some other folks think can take LeBron’s crown, Kevin Durant, has never had a single playoff game as good as LeBron’s average playoff game.

It seems clear to me that the postseason is when the warts of LeBron’s teammates show up the clearest. There’s better pressure on the ball. Shooters get closed out on quicker. Rebounds are chased harder. When the stakes are high and every guy on the floor is playing his hardest, average players can become below-average. And below-average players can become downright useless. And who did LeBron have for teammates in Cleveland? A lot of average and below-average players whose games went down as the intensity went up.

And when LeBron is forced by his teammates’ poor play to not only be by far the best player on the floor (which is always the case), but the only player capable of even being effective (think of Game 6 vs. the Celtics last season), much of his genius is lost to circumstance. You can’t be Magic when your teammates suck. You can be Michael, but LeBron isn’t Michael. At least not in the cold-blooded, no-way-in-hell-are-you-stopping-me-from-scoring sense. (Michael actually didn’t win too much that way either; his greatest successes came when Scottie Pippen had a huge role on the team, too. But you knew Mike could do it if he had to.) Other than that Pistons series in ’07, I can’t think of too many times LeBron showed that ability in the postseason. It’s just not his game. He can score a bunch of buckets, yes, but his game is more complete than that. He is, really, a Magic-Michael hybrid.

Working on this piece took me back a couple years to a LENGTHY inteview Justin Walsh did with me over at BallisLife in August of 2008. Justin asked me about LeBron and I had a lot to say. Here’s a part of it:

“I think LeBron is the best player. I’m not saying he’s perfect, but I’d take him over anyone, personally. I like to think of him as a Magic/Michael hybrid, which has never existed and that’s why to me he’s the best. I don’t know what’s going to come after him, and I guess we have to see what type of teammates he gets with and if he stays motivated, but I think that when his career ends, he will be the best player who has ever played. To me it’s because Magic is arguably the best PG of all time, and LeBron has that size….And you’re right, it’s not fair to compare LeBron to Kobe or Michael, but he can score ALMOST as well as them. I may be getting too carried away, but having a Magic Johnson-Michael Jordan hybrid player, how could he not be the greatest of all time when we are talking about two of the five or six best ever and we have a guy combining the two attributes? There’s a lot of backlash with how much coverage this guy gets. He does sell pretty well when he’s on our cover, but we also get a lot of hate directed at him in letters and in the comments and to me that’s ludicrous…I mean he is 23 years old. This guy, he has almost 11,000 points at 23 years old. That is UNBELIEVABLE. This is unprecedented… I get a little worked up because it’s remarkable what he’s doing.”

Remember, I wrote that two-plus years ago. And I’m not embarrassed by it. The Magic and Michael comparisons are hollow in the title department so far, but LeBron is still only 25, and, finally getting back to this season, he now has the two things I noted that he’d need to reach his potential: good teammates and some motivation.

I think the ability to run with a fellow top-5 talent in Wade and a top-15 talent in Chris Bosh should help LeBron let his inner Magic out in ways NBA watchers have never seen. The regular season should be another orgy of stats, with Bron probably capable of a 25-10-10 year if he got the minutes and really paid attention to his stats.

But it’s the postseason when Wade and Bosh should have their true effect on LeBron, because unlike the guys in Cleveland, DWade and CB will still be able to get theirs, so LeBron and the Heat should be able to take their regular-season play right into the Playoffs, as opposed to the way the 60-win Cav teams handed LeBron the ball and shriveled up in the postseason.

I love this quote from LeBron about who will take the last shot for the Heat in SI‘s NBA Preview story about how Miami will play this season: “It’s about who is going to make the right play. I’ve always been a guy, even when I was in Cleveland, who has made the right play. Sometimes we lost the game, and sometimes we won the game, but I always tried to make the right play. It’s not always about scoring or making the game-winner. It’s about putting your teammates in position to succeed.” Well, for the first time in his eight-year NBA career, LeBron has teammates who are likely to succeed.

Motivation-wise, it’s hard to look at the numbers LeBron put up in Cleveland and say he didn’t go hard every time out, but we know he was pretty spoiled there. He was a hometown hero, worshipped by fans, protected by the press, and looked upon as the savior of a city. He had his haters on SLAMonline, sure, but there wasn’t a long list of people LeBron could come out firing at who had talked shit about him.

Now? He’s basically the NBA’s public enemy number one. Whether he earned some of the hate for the horribly executed “Decision” or not, LeBron has had the chance to listen to people at every spectrum of the game — from Hall of Fame players to renowned reporters to everyday fans — talk about him like he’s the worst thing the League has going for it.

And he knows the best way to shut them all up is to win.

In closing, I want to note that much like an American society where people seem to be taking extreme views and sticking to them — the “left” and “right” seemingly getting further and further apart by the day — our beloved comment section seems to be lacking a sense of, “good point, never thought of that.” It’s more like, the Kobe lovers stick to their guy, the LeBron lovers stick to their guy, and there isn’t a chance in hell that some writer or fellow commenter is going to convince a person their view is wrong.

So while I’d love it if my write up changed a few minds or has some fair-minded fan reconsidering their view of LeBron, I know that isn’t likely. Instead, I’ll just sit back and let LeBron convince you this season.

SLAMonline TOP 50 PLAYERS OVERALL RANK POSITION RANK
Player Team Position 2010 2009 2010 2009
Ray Allen Celtics SG 50 36 10 9
Gilbert Arenas Wizards SG 49 34 9 8
Lamar Odom Lakers PF 48 33 14 10
John Wall Wizards PG 47 NR 13 NR
OJ Mayo Grizzlies SG 46 46 8 12
Al Horford Hawks C 45 NR 6 NR
Jason Kidd Mavs PG 44 45 12 10
Joakim Noah Bulls C 43 NR 5 NR
LaMarcus Aldridge Blazers PF 42 39 13 12
David West Hornets PF 41 31 12 8
Monta Ellis Warriors SG 40 NR 7 NR
Andrew Bogut Bucks C 39 NR 4 NR
Yao Ming Rockets C 38 NR 3 NR
Brandon Jennings Bucks PG 37 NR 11 NR
Zach Randolph Grizzlies PF 36 NR 11 NR
Stephen Curry Warriors PG 35 NR 10 NR
David Lee Warriors PF 34 NR 10 NR
Brook Lopez Nets C 33 NR 2 NR
Gerald Wallace Bobcats SF 32 NR 7 NR
Manu Ginobili Spurs SG 31 29 6 7
Tony Parker Spurs PG 30 15 9 3
Kevin Garnett Celtics PF 29 13 9 3
Rudy Gay Grizzlies SF 28 44 6 9
Josh Smith Hawks PF 27 40 8 13
Andre Iguodala 76ers SG 26 26 5 6
Al Jefferson Jazz PF 25 23 7 7
Russell Westbrook Thunder PG 24 NR 8 NR
Chauncey Billups Nuggets PG 23 19 7 5
Tyreke Evans Kings PG 22 NR 6 NR
Danny Granger Pacers SF 21 21 5 5
Carlos Boozer Bulls PF 20 32 6 9
Paul Pierce Celtics SF 19 17 4 4
Joe Johnson Hawks SG 18 20 4 4
Rajon Rondo Celtics PG 17 27 5 8
Amar’e Stoudemire Knicks PF 16 16 5 6
Steve Nash Suns PG 15 22 4 6
Tim Duncan Spurs PF 14 6 4 1
Chris Bosh Heat PF 13 13 3 4
Derrick Rose Bulls PG 12 18 3 4
Brandon Roy Blazers SG 11 10 3 3
Pau Gasol Lakers PF 10 14 2 5
Dirk Nowiztki Mavs PF 9 9 1 2
Deron Williams Jazz PG 8 11 2 2
Chris Paul Hornets PG 7 4 1 1
Carmelo Anthony Nuggets SF 6 7 3 2
Dwight Howard Magic C 5 5 1 1
Dwyane Wade Heat SG 4 3 2 2
Kevin Durant Thunder SF 3 8 2 3
Kobe Bryant Lakers SG 2 2 1 1
LeBron James Heat SF 1 1 1 1

Notes
• Rankings are based solely on projected ’10-11 performance.
• Contributors to this list include: Jeremy Bauman, Maurice Bobb, Erildas Budraitis, Sean Ceglinsky, Ben Collins, Bryan Crawford, Sandy Dover, Adam Figman, Manny Maduakolam, Eddie Maisonet, Ryne Nelson, Doobie Okon, Ben Osborne, Charles Peach, Branden Peters, Quinn Peterson, David Schnur, Todd Spehr, Kyle Stack, Adam Sweeney, Dennis Tarwood, Tracy Weissenberg, Lang Whitaker, Eric Woodyard, and Nima Zarrabi.
• Want more of the SLAMonline Top 50? Check out the archive.

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  • Dre

    baller 4 life made some great points and I always said by the Kobe lovers standards Fish is at least as good as Kobe and Horry is better than them all.

  • Dre

    Oh Ryan r u saying Lebron doesn’t get fouled and fouled hard? He takes a pounding… everyone would have to admit that. He gets punishment and he delivers. As far as travelling… it’s the NBA… everyone travels.

  • http://slamonline.com Allenp

    He should have been second team all-defense. But, I can see the argument that he’s a better overall defender than Josh Smith, and that it’s more impressive what he does on defense when you consider the role he carries on offense.

  • Dre

    True dat

  • jarrett

    Ben obviously didnt see game 6 against the suns last year.

  • IHaveADream

    LeBron didn’t really start focusing on defense until he, like everyone else on the team, watched how Kobe played defense as the 2008 USA team was preparing for the Olympics.

  • Callie

    First of all , ”THE TRUTH HURTS” i played basketball, I lived basketball, I watched basketball, I coach basketball, and I’m betting I know way more basketball than you!Are you CRAZY???? Shaq is not a top 30 player, Mo Williams is not a top 30 player, Antwan Jamison is not a top 30 player??? OK I’ll give you that… they are over rated, but you forgot one thing Lebron James is over rated too! I can’t wait until the Heat loses, then what are you going to say. OH let me guess ”IT’S THERE FIRST YEAR TOGETHER, OR MAYBE THEY DON’T HAVE A TOP 30 CENTER.” ”CHOKE ARTIST!”
    I’m an idiot? All you can say is I’m an idiot…Let me guess, there’s nothing else you can say about choke artist huh??? Like I figured, the facts speak for themselves…5 rings and counting, choke artist…0!

  • http://slamonline.com nbk

    You are a liar. Plain and simple. And if your not its plainly obvious that If you coach basketball its children, if you play, its at a local gym, and if you watch, its with your eyes shut. Or maybe you just have a low intelligence level and can’t comprehend english. or maybe it should be said like this YOU DON’T KNOW WHAT YOUR TALKING ABOUT. There is no reason to respond, not a single credible person in here respects your opinion.

  • Callie

    THEY DONT HAVE TO RESPECT IT,BUT ITS THE TRUTH,AND U AND THEM KNOW IT!!!!!IT JUST HURTS,BUT ITS OK,HE WILL GET HIS CHANCE, WHEN(KOBE RETIRES)HOPE UR STILL HIS FAN THEN,OPPS ALMOST FORGOT(KEVIN DURANT IS IN THE LEAGUE,SORRY.

  • Dre

    Callie, I won’t be calling you or anyone else any names but you are dead wrong Shaq at this time is no longer an elite player. He is just about solid… Shaq has been defended 1 on 1 for the bast 4 years and anyone that knows basketball knows that this is unheard of with him. Shaq just doesn’t have much left in the tank… he has played for 19 years. Kobe played with a dominant Shaq. Who also was the author of those 3 championships. Mo Williams is good at best and Jamison is also on the downward side of his career. I am not calling you names because I respect people’s opinion but if anyone thinks logically they cannot say that Kobe or Lebron sucks. There is no way you can put up those numbers that Lebron put up in the season or the playoffs and say that he sucks or chokes. Let us use or brain people Lebron commands double and sometime triple teams. The reason behind this is that teams are more worried about stopping Lebron then the supporting cast. If they were not worried about it, they would never leave the other players. Lebron has almost always made the right past all through the year and the playoffs. The strategy on Lebron does not change in the playoffs so what is different when during the reg season he is hitting the supporting cast and they are making shots. the difference is that they stop hitting the open shots or cutting to the basket and finishing. This is not Lebron’s fault… this is his teammates fault. He can not pass them the ball and then hold their hand to make sure they make the shot. It is time to be fair to Lebron and Kobe. They are both great and anyone that says they suck has n basketball credibility.

  • http://www.slamonline.com Michael Whyte

    Enough Callie, just stop.

  • Dre

    Forgive the typos… I’m on a blackberry sitting in a car.

  • http://www.slamonline.com Michael Whyte

    Well said Dre. But I’m not feeling bad for calling Callie an idiot. His grammar and CAPSLOCK being stuck on is enough, not to mention his point of view.

  • http://Slamonline.com nbk

    Kobe in LeBron’s Cleveland circumstances pick Any year after LeBron’s second where he doesn’t have Pau or Shaq. Who has a better record? Who has a better playoff record? Who has more success? The truth is obvious to everyone without a Kobe or LeBron bias (which is apparently very few) Kobe is the best closer with the best scoring weapons o f anyone since Jordan. He is rarely 100% healthy and has lost a step but has improved his jumpshot. He has/had the best teammates in the league and calmed down on teammate criticism making him a better leader. LeBron is not as good a closer, does not have as many ways to score but is a better defender because of his athletic ability and versatility. He scores more efficiently, passes and rebounds better. It’s not a big deal that LeBron is better basketball is a team sport where matchups matter most. The best player in any given season rarely wins the title. Unless that is if you have callies logic.

  • IHaveADream

    We can’t do the switch Kobe and LeBron thing because that is truly irrelevant. Look at the players, not their teams. It’s true that Kobe has had a great team for the majority of his career. LeBron has had a good team two seasons. But player to player, I can name more weaknesses in LeBron’s game than I can in Kobe’s. You can’t use Kobe’s team against him and you can’t use LeBron’s team to aid in your undying support for him.

  • Dre

    I can name the same amount of weaknesses in both their games they are different but the same amount. Lebron’s weakness is still his jump shot which has become pretty respectable and seems to be getting better. Lebron’s post up game needs work as well. He also relys on his athletic ability too much. His strengths are out of this world athletic ability, really good ball handling, high B-ball IQ, finishing ability, great court vision w/ passing and play-making ability and his defense.

    Kobe’s weakness is diminishing athletic ability, a pension for poor shot selection, and he is not that good of a passer. Kobe’s strengths are his jumper, work ethic, his skill set and desire. He still has pretty good athletic ability, and he has a high IQ and knowledge of the game. His ability to get to the basket is not as good as times past but it is still a strength and his defense.

    Michael W, I understand what u r saying. nbk u hit the nail on the head with your post.

  • Callie

    I did not say he sucks,i said (HES NOT THE BEST PLAYER!Read my earlier post.No matter what u say about his supporting cast.(HE HAD THE BEST RECORD IN THE NBA FOR 2 YEARS,THAT MEANS SOMETHING.Cant play the blame game on the supporting cast.there not the best but there not the worst ether.Just be real,he didn’t get it done! Look I’m not saying he isn’t a good player…He is one of the best in the NBA, but he simply not the BEST! I’m tired of people giving him a crown and he hasn’t done ANYTHING that can prove that he is better than Kobe! Better Athlete, Yes… Better player No! People just don’t like Kobe because he’s arrogant,and he had problems off the court..but that has NOTHING to do with BASKETBALL! He’s the best player… You know it, I know, and they know it…But they don’t like to give him his props, or his respect! It’s all about follow the money ”Hype Machine”, Lebron James…But truth be told he’s a very good player but not number 1 …SORRY!

  • http://dsjfklf.com Jukai

    Sorry, if you don’t think he’s the best player, yer a hater

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  • http://twitter.com/smileyoufckers Bryan

    The “put so and so on X team with the same players” argument is absurd and weak.

  • http://Slamonline.com nbk

    That’s not the argument I made. Use the slam top 50, take LeBron’s cavs the best version whichever you think that is. And look at Kobe and the lakers with a comparable number of top 50 players and just see who did better. If LeBron has less success in the next few years with truly great players around him them all you haters can say whatever you want. But until then what your saying is unfounded.

  • Bryson

    Absolutely agree with everything said here, the individual stats say it all

  • T-Money

    T-Mac’s (and Kobe’s for that matter) first seasons in the league should not be dismissed because they didn’t play. There’s a REASON why LeBron played 35 mins + in his first season: he was born ready, he was physically mature and he had one of the most incredible high school careers of all time. T-Mac and Kobe were not ready.

  • IHaveADream

    The teams that they play on and have played on don’t matter. This is about who is the best player, not who has/had the best team.

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  • Dre

    Sorry Callie, I happen to be smart enough to know that the best player is not always on the best team. MJ was considered the best player in the game a good 3 years before he even won a title. This is with Magic and all his rings in LA. People can change the criteria when it fits their argument. That is petty and immature. Everyone knew the Cavs did not have a title contender team. I am also smart enough to know that there are teams constructed for the regular season and there are teams built for the playoffs… ie: Boston. Look Lebron is the best player in the league… to go by your logic Kobe would be tied with Derek Fisher as the best players in the league. It is what it is King James is the best in the league… sorry. :(

  • Dre

    Actually, the who plays with who is a good argument. Even though the chances of both players switching and playing on the exact same teams is close to impossible it is very valid because it is a team game.. saying who each player played with doesn’t matter is ridiculous when comparing individual players in a team game. Since they will never be able to switch players all we can do is compare how legit the players for each respective teams are.

  • http://freeones.com jbn74sb

    As some of you know, I’m a card-carrying member and former president of the Kobe fan club. And if the Lakers are healthy, I like our chances in the Finals, against whomever. But it won’t be Kobe that beats Miami. Rather, it will be their inability to match up with our interior size and versatility that dooms the Heat against the Lakers in a best of 7 series. All that said, there is no argument as to the best player in the league. King James can rightfully wear that crown.

  • http://ji.com Joe

    Lebron hasnt won anything but indivudual awards so far, hes had one trip to the finals (and lets say he will want to forget that one after being shut down by bruce bowen) at his age kobe had three rings and lebron has had legitimate help the last two seasons. Lets just say if kobe was 6,4 and an average athlete and lebron was exactly the same who would be the better player? I think it would be fair to say Lebron might not make an nba roster and kobe would still be a superstar. Kobe had already developed a game over the past few years that allows him to dominate without using his physical attributes and as good a passer and as unselfish as Lebron is, his game is very dependant on his ability to over power his opponents, he is an amazing player to watch but when he gets to kobes age and doesnt have the same speed or hops he will not be as dominant as kobe is in his 30′s. Kobe has always had another dominant big man on his team but lebron has two other superstars so if they dont win 6 rings (becuase kobe will have 6or7 when its all said and done) you cant compare him to kobe. Kobe best closer in the game, lebron not so much, sorry guys kobes proven at the highest level (finals, two finals mvps) and lebron is not(22ppg record 0-4), as it stands now lebron shouldnt be compared to kobe bryant he hasnt accomplished an eith of what kobe has.

  • Dre

    jbn74sb, That is a good point. I just feel that once the Heat plays together and gel, that it is just too much fire power for one team to stop… especially in a playoff type format.

  • IHaveADream

    @ Dre
    Actually, comparing teams doesn’t matter at all especially when you’re talking about players who have different games. LeBron’s game is more Magic than Michael. Kobe’s game is definitely a lot of Michael. So you can’t think about putting Kobe on the Cavs or LeBron on the Lakers and say how much better those team would be. Yes, it’s a team game, but we’re not talking about teams, this is about Kobe and LeBron. If Kobe was on the Cavs, it would be a Laker type team around him. You put the correct guys around your star player. What suits that player. If LeBron was on the Lakers, there would be a Cavs kind of team around him. So you can’t discuss switching teams and try to decide how much better that team would be.

  • http://slamonline.com Allenp

    Joe
    That’s like saying that if Shaq was Kareem’s size he wouldn’t have made the NBA.
    Or if Jordan had Ron Mercer’s athletic gifts he wouldn’t have made the NBA.
    Well freaking duh.
    First, we have no proof that Kobe would ahve made the NBA because having skills and being an average athlete makes it difficult to make the League, particularly today’s league. Most teams don’t want an undersized two guard with limited athletic ability who has a penchant for jacking horrible shots and alienating teammates. That ain’t exactly going to have teams breaking down your door on draft night.
    Kobe is more skilled, Lebron is more powerful. That has no bearing on who is more effective. I’m not even saying Bron is better, I’m just saying that argument doesn’t make sense.

  • http://slamonline.com nbk

    IHAVEADREAM what you say is consistently crazy. If LeBron was on the Lakers he would have a cavs like team around him lmao that’s a joke right? he left the cavs because they put that crap roster around him and tried to peddle it as championship worthy. And if Kobe was on the cavs he would have a laker like roster? do you know the inherent difference between LA and Cleveland or is that too deep into the sport for you to think about? No player wants to live in Cleveland, all players want to live in LA, if Kobe was on the Cavs they would have a cavs like roster with Kobe. Wow i can’t believe i responded to that nonsense

  • IHaveADream

    @ nbk
    I understand your ignorance seeing as how you have a crush on LeBron. If you had any good sense, you would have realized that what I was saying is that if LeBron was on the Lakers, they would have built a different team around him. Like the one he had in Cleveland. And if Kobe was in Cleveland, they would have built a different team around him. Like the one he has in LA. And I’m glad you understand your stupidity with that last comment. I also don’t know why you responded since you have yet to present a single articulate argument on this post.

  • http://slamonline.com nbk

    ^^ haha – your right this miami team built around LeBron James looks JUST like Cleveland…..Infact I don’t understand why they didn’t just trade Dwyane Wade for Mo Williams, and sign Shaq instead of Chris Bosh. If that Cleveland Roster was built correctly he would not have left. GTFOH If this if that, make a tangible argument. Do you know what Tangible is? You don’t have any idea what would happen IF there were different circumstances, and to say something ignorant like the Lakers would build a Cleveland like Roster around LeBron James is quite possibly the most ridiculous thing I have ever read in my life. Congratulations, you have illustrated that you have no idea how the NBA works, how Roster building works, and you have also illustrated that you don’t know what an articulate argument is.

  • http://slamonline.com nbk

    and once again, i am not a fan of one over the other. most would classify me as a Kobe fan anyway….like i said, i have a dog named after the dude

  • http://www.dimemag.com Royal

    NBK:LOL if your dog is female then thats not a good thing…………..

  • Kyle

    Durant over wade, howard, and melo is an absolute JOKE

  • http://slamonline.com nbk

    haha good lookin out. he is 85% male, i cut off his balls, like the real kobe he was pissin on the property of those takin care of him.

  • IHaveADream

    @ nbk
    Once again, you missed it. Clearly incompetent. But that’s okay. Play with your dog and leave basketball matters to those who know what they’re talking about…you’re definitely not one of them.

  • Harlem_World

    Lebron is putting on a pretty convincing argument against the Celtics right now…win or lose, he’s the truth. Bosh, as I’ve always said, is overrated.

  • http://thetroyblog.com Teddy-the-Bear

    Yep, the Heat are LeBron’s team. LOL @ the people saying LeBron would be the “Robin.” 8)

  • http://thetroyblog.com Teddy-the-Bear

    8)

  • Callie

    Ok DRE U Said ur smart enough 2 know,the best player is not always on the best team??? HUH,DID I SAY THAT???????TRY THIS,READING AND UNDERSTANDING WHAT U READ!!IT MIGHT BE A LITTIE HARD FOR U,BUT TRY.I was talking about MAKEING EXCUSES FOR THE SPORTING CAST!!!!!!Lets try that again,this time SLOOOOOOOOOOOOOWLY.I was talking about making excuses for the sporting cast.Maybe u got it this time.EVERONE NEW THE CAVS DIDNT HAVE A TITLE CONTENDING TEAM????????? HUH???? MAYBE U SHOULD HAVE TOLL,THE NBA SO CALL EXPERTS,OR THE CAVS,HELL MAYBE U SHOULD HAVE TOLL ALL THERE FANS,OR THE NUMBER 1 TEAM IN THE NBA, THEY HAD NO CHANCE, O MY BAD THEY ALREADY KNEW.WHAT A SMART GUY U R.

  • Callie

    SORRY TYPE O,SUPPORTING CASE

  • Callie

    SUPPORTING CAST,BAD NIGHT

  • http://slamonline.com nbk

    And by saying that you have just discredited the website you are commenting on. So why don’t you move on to the NBA or somewhere that your opinion holds water? read your comments and responses with reason over the past few days, look how people respond. As a matter of fact, just read the articles and then read your comments, and remember the people writing the articles do this for a living and generally are going to be more knowledgable then some dude with a famous quote as a name. But hey if you want to keep acting like an ignorant child without the reading comprehension needed to make it through elementary school thats fine do what you do.

  • http://slamonline.com nbk

    By discredit I mean you are saying someone who says LeBron is the best player in the NBA without using any bias and only stating facts should, “leave basketball matters to those who know what they’re talking about,” like you the guy who said the Lakers would build around LeBron James in the same way the Cavs did.

  • Callie

    y dont u stay out of this,what u just said makes NO SENSE!! i was just responding 2 ,dre!!!!!! do u need some attention or something.I STOP RESPONDING 2 PEOPLE,HOW DOESNT HAVE A CLUE

  • http://slamonline.com nbk

    didn’t say anything to you

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