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Top 50: LeBron James, no. 1

The best player in basketball is chasing only Championships.

by Jake Appleman

The reality is pretty simple: LeBron James is the best player in basketball, and we’re not exactly in the position to argue with simplicity in this moment in time.

So James—like Shane Victorino leaning into an inside fastball—is the safe choice, the sure thing, a four-time MVP boasting talents that most people can agree (or agree to disagree) upon; for better or worse, an era-defining basketball player whose highlights and career talking points are served with your late night snack or morning coffee. Your opinions are your opinions, but standard-setting in the digital age of sport is something that LeBron seems to be chairing by himself, in this country at least.

So unless Kevin Durant shoots the ball so well that the NBA honors Antoine Walker by adding fours, or Chris Paul finds a way to play with an extra member of the Player’s Association invisibly setting back screens, that isn’t likely to change.

***

It’s the quest for a third ring that, in the interim, will muddy up the reflection in Bron Bron’s legacy mirror, a sheet of mostly pristine glass hanging on a wall somewhere between Akron and Miami—or even in Pennsylvania, because Pennsylvania is a swing state too, and if there’s anything a generation of millennials forever linked with the ’03 Draft class has learned, it’s that any election can feature binders full of women, Bushes, Dicks, Chads and/or malfunctioning voting booths.

I really like bringing up that last one in part because it highlights the difference between LeBron the growing global entity needing to prepare for the start of his second season after missing the Playoffs and LeBron the NBA finalist actually getting out to support Obama and help rock the vote four years later.

It’s not really a matter of taste, more about understanding power because the world’s best basketball player wields all sorts of cultural and stylistic clout.

It’s a bit of a situation to contemplate: ADD-addled ’80s babies fall in love with basketball and come of age by habitually ignoring a country’s politics and lessons in the classroom while remaining enthralled with the exploits of an athlete whose moniker is fit for biblical monarchy and thus demands singular focus. You can’t figure out which phone you want to buy, but you’ll drop everything to talk about King James when he’s leading SportsCenter.

Which is why it seems regular-season NBA basketball—and its 6-8, 250-pound torch-bearer—returns in full swing in November: to own the night and save the day, or maybe just to preserve the status quo so a World War isn’t fought because some bored kid downloaded the Grand Theft Auto 7 ‘This Is Real Life’ app for Android.

***

Now, about that Championship chase. Is LeBron slated to walk the path of his popularity predecessors (one, two, three rings) or is his journey more detailed, with new and different stops?

No idea. I’ve never wined and dined with Gregg Popovich the movie Sideways, or attempted to ward off a Paul Pierce-Kevin Garnett-Brook Lopez-Andrei Kirilenko quadruple team, or thumb-wrestled Metta World Peace inside of a live bear.

If the past is any indication, the third ring is not easily attained and often the quest is absurd, both in the hurdles tossed at the protagonist and the protagonist’s ability to escape near-certain elimination.

Sometimes—as with the ’89 Lakers, ’91 Pistons, and ’96 Rockets—fans and history are spared trilogies that were simply not meant to be. I mean, can you imagine Hakeem Olajuwon leading the Rockets past the 72-10 Bulls? He would have had to do it in REM sleep, right, Eternal Sunshine of the Spotless Dream Shake—something along those lines, no?

About those who have conquered three the hard way, consider: On the night Charles Smith had his shot repeatedly rejected underneath the rim during Michael Jordan’s first three-peat quest, Jordan—jumping and pumping his fist in pure jubilation—might have set his personal best for the emotion ‘ecstatic’ while darting into the Madison Square Garden tunnel.

Or what about that sinking feeling in your stomach when Vlade Divac knocked the ball over to a wide open Robert Horry, spilling an entire bowl of Lucky Charms on the Staples Center floor and helping to send the Shaq/Kobe Lakers to their third consecutive title?

Those are two just standout examples.

So what are LeBron’s Heat up against? You already know the nuts and bolts. The Pacers will likely be improved. The Bulls have Derrick Rose back (playing in actual basketball games). When Deron Williams comes back, the Nets’ depth casts a longer shadow than the summer sun in northern Scandinavia. The Knicks are weird and unpredictable. The West has a few contenders too, and let’s dismiss them in this space just to piss them off.

As for LeBron’s supporting mates, what exactly is each lacking? Last season, a member of the Heat spoke to me about how bored he felt. It was December. They might very well be getting that itch a lot this season.

Wade brought them to his house, and he has more moves to make.

Ray Allen hit the biggest shot of many, many lifetimes last June.

Mario Chalmers may still feel unloved or project that very feeling, which is why we here at Mario Chalmers Karaoke are here to make sure that you get to sing the song that you want to sing.

When it comes to rings, Chris Bosh already has what his silly detractors said he never did (a pair).

And Shane Battier will eventually take a GM’s job with that new expansion franchise in Albuquerque and bring Willie Beamon with him.

On some level, all of the above hokum renders this season a referendum on trilogies and LeBron (or, um, trill OGs and LeBron).

But that’s only on some level and LeBron wants to be the greatest ever which = some level + all the other levels. And, as LeBron himself noted, that’s currently a ways away.

***

All that noted, whatever happens this season with his mates, LeBron James is still the best player in the League, just as he was at the beginning of this post, and you could make the argument in 11 words instead of eleven-hundred.

Sky blue. Water wet. LeBron in the open court with options.

Where should LeBron James rank in the SLAM Top 50?

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SLAM Top 50 Players 2013
Rank Player Team Position Pos. Rank
50 Monta Ellis Mavs SG 5
49 Luol Deng Bulls SF 10
48 Ricky Rubio TWolves PG 14
47 Greg Monroe Pistons PF 12
46 Kawhi Leonard Spurs SF 9
45 Mike Conley Grizzlies PG 13
44 Al Jefferson Bobcats C 9
43 David Lee Warriors PF 11
42 Jrue Holiday Pelicans PG 12
41 Anthony Davis Pelicans PF 10
40 Joe Johnson Nets SG 4
39 Serge Ibaka Thunder PF 9
38 Kevin Garnett Nets PF 8
37 Rudy Gay Raptors SF 8
36 Paul Pierce Nets SF 7
35 Ty Lawson Nuggets PG 11
34 Pau Gasol Lakers PF 7
33 Al Horford Hawks C 8
32 Andre Iguodala Warriors SF 6
31 Brook Lopez Nets C 7
30 Zach Randolph Grizzlies PF 6
29 DeMarcus Cousins Kings C 6
28 Damian Lillard Blazers PG 10
27 Josh Smith Hawks SF 5
26 Joakim Noah Bulls C 5
25 Roy Hibbert Pacers C 4
24 John Wall Wizards PG 9
23 Chris Bosh Heat C 3
22 Tim Duncan Spurs PF 5
21 Dirk Nowitzki Mavs PF 4
20 LaMarcus Aldridge Blazers PF 3
19 Rajon Rondo Celtics PG 8
18 Marc Gasol Grizzlies C 2
17 Blake Griffin Clippers PF 2
16 Deron Williams Nets PG 7
15 Kevin Love TWolves PF 1
14 Dwyane Wade Heat SG 3
13 Paul George Pacers SF 4
12 Russell Westbrook Thunder PG 6
11 Tony Parker Spurs PG 5
10 Stephen Curry Warriors PG 4
9 Kyrie Irving Cavs PG 3
8 Dwight Howard Rockets C 1
7 Derrick Rose Bulls PG 2
6 Kobe Bryant Lakers SG 2
5 James Harden Rockets SG 1
4 Carmelo Anthony Knicks SF 3
3 Chris Paul Clippers PG 1
2 Kevin Durant Thunder SF 2
1 LeBron James Heat SF 1

Rankings are based on expected contribution in ’13-14—to players’ team, the League and the game.

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  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    looks like you guys are stuck with me another year.
    .
    sorry Lakeshow.

  • Tempest

    I wonder if Jordan was more of a standout choice being the number 1 player back in his prime compared to Lebron…cause Lebron is undeniably the best player in the NBA by quite a long shot. Dude has the total basketball package

  • CCT

    This is not even close to being debatable. This guy is on another plane in the league as it currently stands. The dudes behind him are WAY behind him. While their teams may be closer to competitive, his talent and resume is like a hurricane compared to rainstorms.

    Do your thing, boy. Miami is proud to call you family, even if it’s only for another season. Handle your business one more time.

  • shifty

    There really is a large gap between him and any other person……..KD just happens to be in the wrong era

  • i_ball

    Undoubtedly the best player in the world.

    I think he won’t be winning the MVP this year though. The voters would be tired of voting for him

  • LLC#12

    5 Straight years at number 1. I wouldn’t bet against him making it another 5 straight. The only people who argue LeBron isn’t number 1, are people who are humongous fan boys of someone else. No sane person with an unbiased opinion could even suggest LBJ isn’t on top of the mountain.

  • TR

    The last line is the best ever written in Slam history.

  • Sizzle

    The Gap between LeBron and the other Cats in the league is so large, SLAM should just rename the countdown to “The 49 best other players in the NBA besides LeBron James.” For real, it is not close anymore.

  • Dagger

    Wow, Lebron’s ranking really plateaued these past few years. Gotta step it up, Lebron!

  • JoeMaMa

    I disagree. His shot is still off; he should hit more foul shots. His mechanics are horrible. He should be much better.

    Sincerely,

    Hairpiece Barry

  • @iamMrjump

    lol @2d59c9fce7fae90ad3d09b671024f07a:disqus talk about shaking the forum up

  • blachthought

    not even close….. best player in the world….but 2 say the last line is the best in slam history, that`s just nuts….there are some kenny smith & scoop quotes that are even better, like the story on shaq, when he turned around and looked him in the knee… still a good way 2 end the story….

  • LakeShow

    Durant is a half step behind on defense, and isn’t the play maker, but that is all.

    He’s better at scoring by quite a margin, and his defense has risen every year at a faster rate than LeBron’s did. His scoring prowess is going to be unmatched, maybe ever… That’s how real this kid is.

    You can enjoy the moment, but that’s all you have left is a moment.

    Durant is here buddy.

    There’s no reason to think he won’t even the playing field this year.

  • LP @ThisisEther

    IF he plays anywhere at the level he played last year, HE WILL WIN again….unless Durant Averages 40 and 10…

  • Caboose

    Alright, to the 4 idiots who said less than 1, let’s hear it.

  • Blarmac

    If you guys are on instagram, you should check out the awful arguments people post on there concerning this and the rest of the list. It’s hilarious.

  • Stepfan Raiford

    No surprise here. Let’s get this season started already.

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    LOL, Lakeshow, repeating himself for the 3rd year in a row everyone.

  • LakeShow

    Yes, LeBron is the best in the world, and has been for a few years, but ya’ll need to slow your role and “and it’s not even close.”

    Do I need to post their head to head match up in the finals? It’s close.

  • http://signup.divinerenergy.com/ Anthony Dixon

    Lol so other top players aren’t in his league? Like Drose ,CP3.

  • Caboose

    A broken clock is still right twice a day…

  • Caboose

    No, they’re really not.

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk
  • http://signup.divinerenergy.com/ Anthony Dixon

    LOL yea right

  • LakeShow

    I’ll admit, I expected LeBron to peak faster, but you can’t deny Durant’s progress.

  • Feez_22

    Half step behind on defense? naw.

    To be a half a step behind, durant would have to do more than a few things on that side of the floor better than lebron. I’ll list some criteria and will say who is better out of the 2.

    Skillful differences:

    Man to man defense : lebron
    Post defense : lebron
    Help defense : lebron
    Steals : lebron
    Blocks : Durant
    Rebounds: Wash (leaning to durant bc of length)
    Recovery: lebron
    Defensive Versatility : lebron

    Physical differences that translate defensively:

    Lateral quickness : lebron
    Agility : Lebron
    Length : Durant
    Strength: Lebron
    Endurance: Lebron
    Speed : Lebron

    … I really tried to think of everything i could that applies to defense. Lebron is really in a different echelon defensively than durant right now. Durant is improving his defense and isn’t bad but he’s really isn’t comparable to lebron in that department. It’s not a knock on durant… He just isn’t the defender lebron is. whoopdedoo a lot aren’t either but to say half a step is an overstatement imo.

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    i can’t deny progress sure…but he’s not competing with LeBron yet. still has a ways to go.

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    well done sir.

  • CCT

    You’re like the stupidest person in all of the internets. LOL.

  • Feez_22

    thanks. Hopefully my post isn’t seen as hating by some bc i am a HUGE durant fan as well as a huge lebron fan. I just have to keep it real and say defensively, they are just not comparable. Not close defensively.

  • LakeShow

    Durant: 31 – 6 – 2 – 1.4 – 1 on 55% FG’s 40% 3 point FG’s / 21FGA
    LeBron: 29 – 10 – 7 – 1.6 – .4 on 47% FG’s 18% 3 point FG’s / 22FGA

    Obviously LeBron rebounded more and tossed more dimes, but Durant was considerably better at scoring the ball.

    Durant was not playing point like LeBron, he has a top 3 PG. Nor was he playing PF like LeBron. He was playing on the wing much more.

    Considering their roles, they played them both comparably.

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    don’t worry, you don’t. we know they aren’t close defensively.
    .
    and i’m still the only person i know who had Durant on the all-defensive team, so can’t really say i don’t respect what he’s done.

  • LakeShow

    I just disagree on how far the gap is. I think it has narrowed every season over the last three.

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    unless you look at the effect each guy had on their team…..you know, that thing.

  • spit hot fiyah

    thanks a lot for the d will article link yesterday. that was a good read. that’s one thing i don’t like about grantland. i go there basically daily and still manage to miss articles like that

  • Caboose

    Go ahead, make your case braniac.

  • LakeShow

    Miami sucks dude.
    It’s gross.
    I literally feel gross when i’m there.
    Like a prostitutes hairy loose vag, kinda gross…

  • http://signup.divinerenergy.com/ Anthony Dixon

    would LeBron be “in a league of his own” without Ray Allen making that three?

  • Caboose

    HAHAHA, yes, yes he would.

  • initbruv

    Yeah except for the plethora of Latina bubble butts all around you.

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    except the whole, LeBron just arguably had the best season of all-time ….. problem.
    .
    you say this stuff like Durant is improving, and LeBron is sitting in neutral. which is damn far from the truth. you should just enjoy what LeBron is while he’s at the peak of his powers, this is a once in a lifetime player. just like Durant….who is 25, still has years before his peak. (which is also terrifying).

  • CCT

    Too bad you’ve never been there.

  • http://signup.divinerenergy.com/ Anthony Dixon

    lol ok

  • LakeShow

    I don’t think it’s as far as you think, but yes, LeBron is overall better, admitted.

    The only ones I have anything to say about is:

    1) man to man. It’s real close now, but LeBron is much more versatile in his man to man. I think they both guard the SF and SG positions with equal effectiveness. BUT LeBron is much better at the other three positions.(PG/PF/C)

    2)Help defense is LeBron, but KD is close. That length man…

    3)Endurance is about a wash, and when we watched them working out together LeBron wasn’t that much faster at least in a sprint. (But like you noted his agility with that speed is what makes him special)

    Lastly, thank you for taking the time to get all that written up and be non-biased in your opinion.

  • LakeShow

    LOL… best season of all time….

  • LakeShow

    That’s where the two cruises I have taken leave from…

    Don’t be hurt, just because I nailed it.

    Gross, gross, place.

  • Caboose

    No see, you’re making the claim against the given. Meaning, YOU have to provide the evidence. Otherwise you’re arguing from nothing. I do want to hear your point of view.

  • TorontoMac

    Completely off topic but I’d really like if you guys checked out this Tmac retirement tribute I made http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RPlhHAC1D7I

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    why don’t you look at it and compare it to whatever season you think is better. the argument is very very clearly there. if you want, i’ll show you why. i’m not saying i feel like it is or isn’t. but the argument is very rational.

  • LakeShow

    I don’t trust that bubble butt.
    She tryna do somethign besides f*ck you… Know that…

  • Caboose

    Back off a tad and give it top 5. Wilt’s 50-26 season is gonna be hard to top. But yeah, this season was EASILY top 5 of all time.

  • initbruv

    Lol, I’ll have to remember that.

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    is it really? i mean, did Wilt win MVP or a title that season?
    .
    see, best season of all-time should end with a title…..shouldn’t it?

  • Caboose

    Thought you just meant statistically. Overall? Yeah, this is easily up there. Hakeem’s 93-94 season has to be up there then. MVP, DPOY, Finals MVP, All-NBA First Team, All Star, All-Defensive First Team. That’s like a clean sweep.

  • LakeShow

    I don’t think LeBron would have made Thabo/Perk/Ibaka into offensive threats.

    LeBron has a better team around him. Catered to his style. Those shooters play a huge role in his effectiveness. LeBron has always had great shooters around him. I think KD made the most of what he had.

    We saw what he did when he was given full reigns this year in the playoffs, he was statistically incredible.

    You can say Lebron helped them play well, but I think his team was more mature and just mounted up and played better than OKC’s group. There’s more perfectly placed talent on LeBron’s squad than KD’s.

  • pposse

    lebrons remarkable season is a testament to his teammates as much as it is a testament to himself. Some of that credit should be given to the team an dnot just the guy who played with ‘exceptionally more talent than the rest of the L’

  • http://signup.divinerenergy.com/ Anthony Dixon

    I just think to say LeBron is in a league of his own is bit disrespectful to the other dominant forces in the league. If Chris Paul replaced Lebron, would he be the best player in the league?

    I know LeBron stats are great but to me he doesn’t come across like MJ who clearly was much better than everyone. If Durant had a post game he would be better the James.

  • Caboose

    And why doesn’t he come across that way? You’re being too subjective.

    Additionally, that qualifier of “if Durant had a post game, he would be better the (sic) James,” why do you feel that way? LeBron is better than Durant at many areas outside of just post scoring, including all forms of defense, offense creation, and passing.

  • http://signup.divinerenergy.com/ Anthony Dixon

    nice video.

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    I am not taking any credit from his teammates. individually it’s just what it was, of course his teammates played a big part in that. Lol..it is a team sport, but celebrating the great individuals is what we do. Of all the people, you in Chicago, the city with a statue of one player outside its arena…should understand that.

  • Caboose

    And the way he hypes the utter f*ck out of Rose.

  • pposse

    tag along?

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    His efficiency fell off a cliff in the playoffs man. He shot like Russell Westbrook from the floor.

  • Caboose

    Those cookies are f*cking delicious.

  • pposse

    dont you have a midterm to study for? go away!

  • http://signup.divinerenergy.com/ Anthony Dixon

    See I think passing is overrated when you look at Who Durant passes to and who LeBron passes to. And give me a stat that proves Bron is better in all forms of defense please.

  • http://www.rich-imaging.com/ Dutch Rich

    I love the write up Jake. Thoroughly enjoyed it! Glad you got the honor. As for the lack of hunting metaphors and statistics, that some may gripe about, I’m here to lend a helping hand.

    Three statisticians went out hunting, and came across a large deer. The first statistician fired, but missed, by a meter to the left. The second statistician fired, but also missed, by a meter to the right. The third statistician didn’t fire, but shouted in triumph, “On the average we got it!”

  • pposse

    okay first off, last year Wade was definately a top 5 ball player in the league, just like any other year he was in the league since 2006. Just like everyone wants to say Lebron is by far better than everyone else…the top 5 ballers in the league are in a league of their own from the top 20.

    With that being said MJ’s bulls teams are not even comparable to the Miami squad. You want to talk about sharp shooters on the bulls..who would you rather have Steve Kerr John Paxon or Ray Allen? I mean seriously.

  • Caboose

    I like this. Wade was top 5. With LeBron and Durant at 1 and 2, who were 3 and 4?

  • LakeShow

    Correct me if I am wrong in thinking this… but 31ppg on 22FGA is actually quite efficient. Right?

    LeBron scored 29ppg on 22 FGA in their head to head the season before last in the finals…

  • CCT

    Jesus, dude, you’re just trying to be viewed as a fool on purpose, huh?

  • Caboose

    Cause being able to pass to Westbrook is a bad thing?

    Defensive Rating.

  • pposse

    kobe wade cp3..harden at 5a

  • LakeShow

    That’s why Carlos Boozer is always a staple on the defensive rating team…

    :/

  • http://signup.divinerenergy.com/ Anthony Dixon

    Westbrook is one player compared to Wade, Bosh and all those shooters.

  • LakeShow

    If you like Miami, all the more power to you… glad some people do.

  • LakeShow

    **starts a slow clap**

  • Caboose

    And Westbrook isn’t there because…it hurts your argument?

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    yeah, i mean i could make the argument for LeBron, here is a list of the best individual seasons of all-time (far as i can think of off the top of my head)

    http://www.basketball-reference.com/play-index/pcm_finder.cgi?request=1&sum=0&p1=jordami01&y1=1993&p2=olajuha01&y2=1994&p3=duncati01&y3=2003&p4=onealsh01&y4=2000&p5=jamesle01&y5=2013&p6=birdla01&y6=1986

    the case for LeBron is real.

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    so now you are going to argue that the Miami Heat this season, as a team, are better than Jordan’s Bulls?
    .
    your hate for LeBron knows no bound ….. does it?

  • Caboose

    2002-03 Timmy? MVP, Ring, Finals MVP, led the L in win shares, All-Defensive First

  • LakeShow

    They are comparable teams.

  • pposse

    it doesnt do anything to my argument at all. My argument is simple. The more talent you have the better player you will be, hence why KD was 2nd best baller in the league too. RW can be there at 6 or 7, he was and who benefitted the most from that? KD. I mean seriously Miami has a bench and they have the greatest ‘Robin’ to ever play the game. Hell Wade was infinitately better than Kobe when Kobe was winning rings with Shaq. How is this hard to comprehend? i dont understand.

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    it’s still efficient, but it’s not like Wesbrook went down, and Duran’ts production went up while everything else stayed the same. LOL, that’s my point, Durant’s only better then LeBron at scoring, but you can’t use the “in the playoffs last year” argument, because he was no better at anything than LeBron in that series.

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    sure, comparable. i’d still rather have the 96 Bulls then any of LeBron’s teams tho. pposse acting like it’s obvious that LeBron’s supporting cast was better is, laughable. you can make an argument, but you can’t deal in absolutes. as much as people love to do that.

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    i’m taking out Wilt. since that season was just about stats, just a second.

    *fixed*

  • pposse

    talent wise? no, the way they are constructed, yes comparable.

  • Sean Superstar Juan

    I like how you’re doing the efficiency thing instead of FG% because you know that KD’s FG% dipped to 42% in the playoffs with Westbrook out.

  • pposse

    this comment was meant to lakeshow

  • pposse

    i mean i would too, they played better basketball, had a better offense and coach, as well as the best player

  • Caboose

    Put Wilt’s 67 season in. MVP, Ring, Pseudo-Finals MVP. 24 and 24 on 14 shots a game, league leaders in Win Shares and WS/48.

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    in his defense, the efficiency argument makes a lot more sense then just focusing on FG % …. .Durant had to take every sh*tty shot that team took, his overall efficiency was still very good.

  • http://slamonline.com/ Ben Osborne

    Thanks for the write up, Jake. And thanks for being so amazing, Bron.

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    let’s just call it the best seasons in the 3pt era. Wilt makes judging them impossible, stats back then were so damn different.

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    then your point is moot.

  • pposse

    no it isnt. Miami still had more talent. But you must be under the impression that MJ and Bron should be mentioned in the same sentence/ comparable..simple answer…they shouldn’t.

  • LakeShow

    Why wouldn’t I? Seriously?

  • Caboose

    Fair. It’s damn near impossible to pick among those. But LeBron is EASILY in that group.

    If I absolutely HAD to select one, I’d probably take Jordan for what he did in the Playoffs. MAYBE. Sigh, it’s f*cking difficult.

  • The Philosopher

    LONG… LIVE… THE KING!
    Again.

  • LakeShow

    fair.

    Just saying the improvement is there. He is a deserving close #2.
    Just like LeBron was to Kobe a few years back.

    Yes it wasn’t a question of who is #1, but I don’t like hearing this crap about it “not even close”.

    Durant can match LeBron pretty damn well. They both are better at certain nuances. LeBron still the more complete player. But Durant is here, and he will outplay Bron on an off night.

  • Sizzle

    I don’t want to reference past acts, but look at the 2007 Cavaliers finals players (besides LeBron). If you take the TOTALITY of that team and compare it to KD’s team, it’s clear that KD’s team is a better collection of talent.

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    i’d probably take Jordan’s ’93 as well.

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    oh wow, way to get way off track buddy.

  • LakeShow

    Your point?

  • pposse

    and honestly i wouldn’t do that if yall been reading your fair share of bulls articles or quotes recently. You would see even Thibs and every single player on the Bulls are hyped about this season and one player. as long as yall are oblivious to it i might as well inform you guys whether you want to hear it or not.

  • Caboose

    Let me rank these, tentatively….

    Jordan
    LeBron
    Shaq
    Timmy
    Hakeem
    Bird

    ….
    Maybe.

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    it’s not close. Durant is the “closest” but its very obvious who the best player in the league is. therefore, it’s not close.
    .
    if there was a legitimate argument for Durant as better, then it would be close. but there isn’t.
    .
    nobody is saying Durant can’t get there someday, but as of today, it’s just plainly obvious who the best overall player in the league is.

  • pposse

    im not the one who brought up a statue.

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    or you just overreact to what we say.
    .
    go ahead, tell me what i’ve said about Derrick Rose and the Bulls this season? i guarantee you have either no idea, or have exaggerated my words in your head to the point of getting defensive every single time i bring him up.

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    by mentioning the statue,

    “Some of that credit should be given to the team an dnot just the guy who played with ‘exceptionally more talent than the rest of the L”

    i was just making a point.

  • pposse

    all im saying is that every single report out of the bulls camp has mention of d rose, just like every single report/comment i make here. Its that real!!

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    what does that have to do with our opinion?

  • pposse

    opinions are meant to be swayed.

  • LakeShow

    Agreed. But it’s close.

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    that still doesn’t explain how/why you react the way you do.

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    LOL, “close” is subjective.

  • pposse

    first of all I just dont see Lebron’s teammates getting the credit they rightfully deserve so i mentioned that. That is all. you responded and I basically just stated that MJ did more with less, but i’m not trying to discuss that. Even the write up barely mentions his teammates. No one says his teammates help make him greater than he already is.

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    i’d probably have to go,

    1A)Jordan
    1AB)Olajuwan
    1ABA)LeBron
    1ABAB)Shaq
    1ABABA)Duncan
    1ABABAB)Bird

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    that is not what i am talking about.
    .
    anyway, you know damn well LeBron’s teammates get credit. you are the person who is STILL salty about the decision. i mean, if you don’t think his teammates get credit, just argue with yourself about it.

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    so what you are saying is, LeBron has regressed since Cleveland…..

  • pposse

    what? no. His teammates get zero credit. Was Wade in the top 10 this year? How is that giving his teammates credit? Bosh should also get the benefit of the doubt, bosh not a top 20? ridiculous.

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    so your argument is based on SLAM rankings? which are based on subjective stats and opinions, which we know are not really rooted in judging players by who is actually better?
    .
    you want to form an argument based on the existence of Pokemon based on a TV show next?

  • pposse

    just cause you prolly paid $1,000 for one of them when you were 10 yrs old? no i dont.

  • Caboose

    Yeah man, he’s scoring less….that means he regressed….

  • Caboose

    Honestly, check our discussion below, let us know if we missed one.

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    that assumption is the only reason? (i don’t think Pokemon existed in the US when i was 10)

  • pposse

    wait aren’t you asian?! lol jk

  • The Philosopher

    LONG… LIVE… THE KING!
    Again.

  • Caboose

    An aspect of my personality that often goes unaddressed….I’m one of the best competitive Pokemon battlers in the country.

    Pokemon came into the US in 1998 with Red and Blue. Assuming you’re 26 right now, that would mean you were born in 1987ish, meaning you were older than 10 when they came out.

    Don’t get me started on Pokemon, man.

  • KC

    Durant had a chance to show he was in lebrons league in the finals. OKC was loaded with harden westbrook and durant at full strength. Lebron had a hobbled wade and bosh coming off an injury that caused him to miss signifcant time in the playoffs. The thunder lost 4-1….. Durnat played great but he really only effects the game by scoring. Lebron scores, runs the team(he is actually their point guard), plays all league defense, is a great leader and the list goes on. KD is not on his level plain and simple and he pretty much admitted it himself.

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    LOL, i dabbled with it, but i was just too old to really get into it by the time it got enough popularity to come around to me. although, the original gameboy games were awesome time wasters. especially when stuck with a parent at a place you don’t wanna be.

  • Caboose

    Haha I got it for my 6th birthday and I’ve been hooked ever since.

  • Najee Fareed

    im disappointed….. *sigh*

  • Caboose

    In what?

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    yeah, i’m sure if something like that came around at that age i would have bought all the way in. by the time i got Pokemon, i was already playing sh*t like GTA, my video game maturity level was a little too high. plus, i played sooooooooooooo many sports, there was just no time to really get into it.

  • LakeShow

    Dwayne Wade 2005-2006 maybe.

    Hakeem both championship years was incredible.
    Magic 1986-1987.
    Magic 1981-1982
    Moses Malone 1982-1983

    I realize they didn’t all win MVP that year, but as far as just overall awesome-ness these guys have a say.

  • LakeShow

    Yeah, Pokemon was just outside of my age group. Same with Dragon Ball Z and all the other anime stuff that came along.
    Just never got into it.

  • Caboose

    Of those, I’d for sure add Magic’s 86-87 to the list. He was freaking awesome that year.

  • Caboose

    Are you like the same age as nbk?

  • LakeShow

    Yeah, maybe a year younger.

  • Caboose

    Gotcha. You’ve always stayed more anonymous here than me or nbk.

  • Caboose

    For the record, I still have a holographic Charizard. That is all.

  • LakeShow

    …seriously, why?

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    i feel like i know lakeshow better than almost any of you guys.

  • http://signup.divinerenergy.com/ Anthony Dixon

    no. he just has better teammates

  • Caboose

    Huh. Maybe I just don’t pay attention.

  • pposse

    do you now? how about we make a wager? Name your stakes, i want that card.

  • Caboose

    Or you could snag one on eBay for like $25…

  • pposse

    the sole reason i want that card is to take a video of me bending it and throwing it in the garbage and then sending to you. =)

  • LakeShow

    you’re an asshole lol

  • Caboose

    Psychopath….

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    I wasn’t allowed to. Trust me, that and Bird’s 86 were a pain in the ass to choose from

  • Saleem Rainman

    i’ve got a holographic Moltres, that happenes to be from my first (and only) pack of pokemon cards i’ve ever gotten bak in grade 3. lawl.

  • BBaller

    If Lebron was traded to OKC for Durrant,would OKC win the next chip or the Heat?

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    Man all this arguing and I forgot to say how good this write up is. Not like it really needed justification so I’ll take extremely entertaining instead.

  • playa

    So you probably won’t understand this picture??Shame…

  • chrisUK

    Jake Appleman, that was quite possibly the worst written piece of journalism I’ve ever read. Writing about why Lebron is the best player in the NBA isn’t about trying to prove how well you think you can write – just write something that people will enjoy reading and allow a great player’s truly amazing game to be the focus of the piece rather than your own over-worked writing style. I love Lebron’s game and no question that he’s number 1, but that was a huge anti-climax to the top 50 countdown…

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    “See I think passing is overrated when you look at Who Durant passes to and who LeBron passes to.”
    .
    LeBron, whose career high was 8.6 apg his last year in Cleveland….
    .
    so he’s regressed? or he had better teammates in Cleveland than Durant does is Oklahoma City?
    .
    Which contradiction do you choose?

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    don’t worry, i just dug a hole, then dude swan dived right into it.

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    Houston really struggled throughout the regular season that second title season. And they added Clyde Drexler.
    .
    Magic 87 was so damn hard to leave off, but i only had 6 slots. and Bird’s 86 season is one of my favorite seasons ever.
    .
    Moses’ 82-83 was really hard for me to leave off as well. Julius Erving still being so good kept him off by a hair. a very small hair.

  • LakeShow

    I didn’t say I didn’t know sh*t about either of them haha.

    You can just change Goku to Batman, and that’s my childhood.

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    Wade is infinitely better than Kobe…right now, then Kobe was in 2001 and 2002?
    .
    this should be good.

  • LakeShow

    What in the actual f*ck is wrong with you…
    Just slow down for a goddam second…

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    yep, i really didn’t get into any of that stuff…but i also wasn’t big into animation anything after i grew out of Ninja Turtles, i was a sports/basketball nut from a really really young age.

  • http://signup.divinerenergy.com/ Anthony Dixon

    why are you talking about lebron in cleveland?

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    because it contradicts your nonsense.

  • pposse

    Perspective bruh. That is all. Your impressed with what? More ooints on more shots taken at a lesser percentage from kobe? Pease bro ham. Just last week the old defensive rules made it easier to score right? Or were you not arguing that? DONT BE SO NOSTALGIC BRO!

  • Slick Ric

    Didn’t even need a write up, a simple Lebron James would suffice.

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk
  • pposse

    Playoffs?! No ill look at the 82 game regular season thank you very much. Thats all the data I need. Wase was hurt in the playoffs. Who bring a knife to a gun fight?

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    we are talking about winning a championship. not on winning a regular season.

    .

    obviously, OBVIOUSLY, Wade isn’t the ” the greatest ‘Robin’ to ever play the game”

    .
    LOL, unless now, the games that matter aren’t the games that matter?
    .
    this really might be the dumbest argument you’ve ever tried to make. just admit that you misspoke.

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    palease look at pposse’s Kobe related argument a little above this.

  • http://signup.divinerenergy.com/ Anthony Dixon

    No you just misinterpreted.. I never said he regressed

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    i know, you said LeBron’s passing doesn’t count because he has better teammates than Durant…..when his passing was actually better with worse teammates.
    .
    it’s simple.
    .
    either he regressed.
    .
    or you are contradicting yourself on accident.

  • pposse

    Cmon man look at the big picture. You know your bball no doubt. I clearly stated in a previous post that a part of lebrons historic season needs to be credited to his teammates and the best robin ever. Lebron had a historic regular season.. playoffs now it was nice but it could have been 50 times better with a healthy wade. My position stands.

  • shockexchange

    “The LeBron Rules … Keys to Stopping LeBron James” is 1A and LeBron 1B. What has the Shock Exchange wrought?

  • Sean Superstar Juan

    Shot selection is also a talent and we saw what LeBron did all by his lonesome at the same age as Durant. If a 24 year old LeBron would have shot 42% in playoffs and lost a second round series in 5 games, people would have crucified him. People would not have then pointed out his “efficiency” at all. Durant’s performance against Memphis was telling in two ways It showed just how far the gap between 1 and 2 is in the NBA and it also showed Westbrook skeptics just how wrong they were.

  • Caboose

    Watch Lake become the biggest Rose fan here if Derrick somehow passes KD this year.

  • King David

    Melo > Lebron

  • Sean Superstar Juan

    Close, like yeah L.A. and New York are “close” to each other if you ask people from Tibet. So yeah, they’re “close”.

  • Caboose

    Cool story bro.

  • James Wrethman

    I’m a huge Lebron and Miami hater since I’m a C’s fan but seriously? How could anybody vote Lebron worse than first place. The man is incredible. Arguably the best athlete in the world of sports. Sure, I would love to see him drop out of that 50 one day but I can only dream, Lebron James is the best player in the league and if anybody thinks Durant, Melo, Paul etc.. deserve a spot above him … you must be watching the wrong sport. Hope Lebron and the Heat choke this year for the 3peat but look … you probably won’t.

  • LakeShow

    Do you think there is some inherent greatness to “FG%”…
    It’s probably the most over rated stat. It really does nothing to tell us about how efficient a player is at scoring.

    Is Rajon Rondo better than Derrick Rose at scoring?
    His fg% is better!

  • Sean Superstar Juan

    In comparing players who take the same amount of shots (within 2 or 3 attempts), FG% is the GREATEST stat there is to determine either shot selection or efficiency. So your Rondo/Rose comparison is moot.

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    LOL, you said Wade was infinitely better than Kobe…..which CLEARLY isn’t true. even if you look at their regular season numbers, Wade was more efficient, Kobe was more productive. And that was Kobe’s best individual season defensively, that’s when he WAS in the conversation as the best defensive wing in the league (although he wasn’t actually there).
    .
    I genuinely do not care why you said the nonsense that you said, i’m not arguing with that part of your opinion. it’s about you saying something blatantly wrong to support your opinion and then defend it like it isn’t obvious to everyone that you didn’t really think through what you said.
    .
    feel however you want. but if you make a mistake, like the one above, just own up to it and say you misspoke. it doesn’t help your case at all for you to get sidetracked defending a point you made that was completely and utterly wrong.

  • http://signup.divinerenergy.com/ Anthony Dixon

    no, i said its overrated but that doesn’t mean his playmaking ability does not count. I just don’t think his passing gives him a distinctive worldly advantage over other superstars.. Especially Durant

  • LakeShow

    So let me ask you, what is it about a guy who shoots 44% and gives you 25 points on 19 buckets vs a guy who shoots 50% and gets you 23 points on 18 buckets that makes you think the guy with the 50% FG’s is more efficient?

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    nope. eFG% and TS% work a lot better. considering one (eFG%) tells you the value of each and every shot, while TS% tells you the % of everysingle shot weighed with FT shooting.
    .
    3′s are worth more than 2′s. so obviously shooting more 3′s means you can shoot a lower % and still be more productive. eFG% tells you that.
    .
    FT’s are extremely efficient ends to a possession, so weighing their % against the value of a 2pt & 3pt FG tells you exactly how valuable a certain player ending a possession is.
    .
    things like that, are how we know James Harden was a more efficient scorer than Kobe Bryant last season.

  • LakeShow

    More like LA and NY to someone from the nebula galaxy.

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    oh? then explain why he had a higher offensive rating then Durant last season?
    .
    Oklahoma City as a team had a higher offensive rating than the Heat…..so, given that James passing doesn’t help that much. ANd his teammates are better.
    .
    elaborate?

  • LakeShow

    …Jeezuz thank you. (No i’m not calling you jesus lol)

  • pposse

    its impossoble to have a debate with you or your cronies cause yall keep changing the parameters my fear is you are looking at one comment and not the big picture ie the whole thread. Btw the players overall in 01 02 sucked but whatever dont consider that. Add the fact that wade was willing to adapt to a role he never played ever jn his life…you have the best robin ever created to walk on earth..this is really not up for discussion

  • pposse

    btw just 2 days ago we compared 12 13 durant to 1011 rose and my argument was production over efficiency in whixh rose killed durant in and yet you again tried to defame me and that argument. So what isbit going to be?!

  • http://signup.divinerenergy.com/ Anthony Dixon

    he had a higher offensive rating than Durant because he’s better.

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    do you not get that each comment should make sense? saying one thing that is nonsense and that doesn’t at all support your opinion kills your own argument.
    .
    like i just said, i’m not part of and don’t care about the rest of what you are saying. i react to the words in your own comment. if they are nonsense, i am going to point out exactly what, and why that is so. your comment about Dwyane Wade today, vs Kobe Bryant 12 years ago, was blatant nonsense.
    .
    And it’s all part of subconscious need to make less of the accomplishments of the players you don’t like. First Chris Paul was overrated because he can’t actually help his team win. Now today, LeBron’s winning doesn’t mean as much because he has help.. i mean the fundamental basis of your arguments constantly contradict each other. but that’s not what i’m focused on here, just the blatant misuse of an analogy to make your point.

  • LakeShow

    You don’t understand me… At all.

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    uhm, like i said, look at the playoffs.
    .
    you said, “infinitely better”
    .
    which is “infinitely” wrong.
    .
    now, revisit what you said, reword it. admit you misspoke.
    .
    and by the way, while you are revisiting what you said, you might want to look at the conversation you just brought up, make sure you aren’t contradicting yourself again.
    .
    P.S., if you feel like Wade is better (AT ALL) you are. So, probably completely change your opinion.

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    for that to be the case, he would have to be “considerably” better.
    .
    or in other words,
    .
    “a league of his own”

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    the dearth of stupid arguments taking place on this page is a spectacle.

  • LakeShow

    Welcome to the new NBA season on SLAM, 2014!

  • pposse

    Haha my subconcious? $ seriously? Just stop! Maybe none of yall can stand that there are legit arguments out there that doesnt have lebron the alien being yall have him as. Thats like me saying your agenda is to show the slam world that lbj will be the goat. You detract from it at times wjich serves as a jice divide and conquer tool. Isee right thru that tho!s

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    i’m probably going to end up stepping back

  • The Mighty FV

    A few days ago I came in here and marvelled at how badly owned nbk had been in a thread…thinking it would be a one off.

    Reading that little exchange just shows 2 for 2 in recent times; you know what the guy was saying but chose to play dumb and dig yourself into another hole. This is becoming a common pattern and I beg you, for the sake of your credibility on this website, to know when to quit. To know when to say ‘I am wrong and instead of trying my hardest to summon up something clever to say that makes no sense I will accept what you are saying’ and most importantly to just learn when you are wrong and accept it. Move on. Not let it ruin your day.

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    i don’t think LeBron will be the goat.
    .
    because your opinion differs from mine, you lump me into some group you’ve concocted in your head who think more of a player then he is.
    .
    who am i detracting from?
    .
    i detracted from Rose when i said he has a chance to overtake Paul this season and join the top 3 discussion? because with my reasoning, as of today, Chris Paul is still better? i didn’t tell you that your opinion is wrong, just stated mine, gave reasoning, and pointed out where yours didn’t make sense.
    .
    did i detract from chicago when i said they were going to win the east in the regular season this year? or was it when i said they have a chance at beating miami?
    .
    really, where is my personal feelings for any player getting in the way of my opinion? just one example would be nice.

  • pposse

    OOorr you should on that rose durant debate. Which one will blink first..this must be when the unstoppable force meets an immovable object. Wades willingness to acceotbhis role make shim better. Fine ill back off he wasnt infinately better he was way better. If wade was healthy the heat would have steamrolled thru the playoffs like they did in 10 11 up until the championship series

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    if he was healthy.
    .
    again, i don’t deal in ifs.
    .
    i should what on the Rose Durant debate? you take me pointing out saying something outlandish as me disagreeing completely with your opinion. I actually do think a healthy Wade is better than 01 Kobe. But not by a very big margin at all. See how that works? i don’t have to have an extreme opinion to feel the way i do. and i have the ability to argue for both POV if the one i’m reading (yours in this case) is outrageous.
    .
    learn how to read and absorb what i actually say. rather than assume you know what i mean. i’m not a woman or someone who can’t express their opinion. what i’m saying is for the most part, exactly what i mean.

  • pposse

    Well for one you mentioned cp as tje point god before. This is all divide and conquer! Itd cool tho I sincerely enjoy reading like 75%of thestuff you write. Your bball iq off the chart i just think you all dont factor in human behavior at all while i do or atleast try tos

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    i called chris paul the point god? you mean sarcastically?

  • Sean Superstar Juan

    Wrong. 3′s shouldn’t be weighted more than 2′s. Your shot selection is just that, not “weighted” with other variables such as free throws or shot distance. The most efficient stat remains FG%, how many shots do you average per game and how many do you make per game. So, if I go 9-15 (2-6 3Pt, 5-6 Ft’s) to get 25, I shot about 18 times. If I go 5-19 (4-10 3 pt, 11-13 ft’s) to get 25, I shot about 25 times.These new “stat sciences” are very flawed because they don’t counter the difference between the 7 additional shots that player B took and missed without foul called.

  • LakeShow

    I have no idea what was just said here.

    It sounds like your dissing and praising, both nbk and I, in the same paragraph…

  • Sean Superstar Juan

    Please see my explanation up above.

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    Lol oh man you don’t get. I don’t have the patience to show you the formulas and math behind why you are so wrong. Just go Tell that to all the NBA teams scouting departments…….the people who no longer really use basic FG% because it’s not a very informative number .

  • LakeShow

    When I saw that he said that the #3 is not greater than the #2, I just said… “f*ck it.”

  • LakeShow

    I did, and it was ridiculously flawed.

  • pposse

    How in the blue hell should I kjow?! If its italicize it or something!

  • Sean Superstar Juan

    Who is more “efficient” of a player in my scenario? Don’t “lol” because you can’t tell me how I’m wrong. Just because you read that 1 or 2 “up and coming” young franchises are trying new scouting stats don’t mean that they are all of a sudden a majority of teams who “no longer really use basic FG% because it’s not a very informative number”. That’s just simply not true, just stop it man. If I shot 18 total times to get 25 and you shot 25 total times to get 25, I shot a better FG% than you and played a more efficient game. No two ways around that.

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    Lol if I say something like that it’s normally on a page where someone does something awesome or really terrible. Not as an actual evaluation. If I do, just say hold on, and ask me. If I misspeak or exaggerate something I don’t mean, I’ll admit it right away.

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    All 30 NBA teams have analytics departments.
    .
    The teams leading the change (for the last 10 years) are

    - San Antonio
    - Houston
    - Dallas
    - Oklahoma City
    - Miami

    - —- holler back when you notice something they all have in common – ——

  • Sean Superstar Juan

    I can “holler” (lol, I think it should be holla but I digress) when you can show me ANY (just one) GM or staff member from one of these teams stating that they “no longer really use basic FG% because it’s not a very informative number” .

  • Sean Superstar Juan

    I can also see that you’re refusing to answer my question on who is the more efficient player in the scenario I posed. I can prove my claim, you can’t.

  • Sean Superstar Juan

    Examples?

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    And no, just look up how the stats are complicated. The whole purpose of them is to give a better example of which players are more efficient. I am not spelling out something because you THINK it’s wrong. Just do the math. It’ll take 5 minutes if you completed high school.

  • Guest

    Again, deflection. I want examples, show me 2 players that averaged around the same amount of PPG in which the player who shot the lower FG% played more “efficient”. Making silly assumptions on another’s ability in mathematics doesn’t help your case. You type away as freely as anothe on this site, the reason that you’re not “spelling out something” is because you have no argument. Don’t just throw out silly basketball stats jargon and not know what the hell you’re talking about. Once in a while, real basketball heads will correct you.

  • Sean Superstar Juan

    Again, deflection. I want examples, show me 2 players that averaged around the same amount of PPG in which the player who shot the lower FG% played more “efficient”. Making silly assumptions on another’s ability in mathematics doesn’t help your case. You type away as freely as anyone on this site with incredibly long posts, the reason that you’re not “spelling out something” is because you have no argument. Don’t just throw out silly basketball stats jargon and not know what the hell you’re talking about. Once in a while, real basketball heads will correct you.

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    Maybe I just have to repeat myself. I am not wasting my time explaining something simple to you. .
    Just look it up.

  • Chester

    Nice troll bro. Even the biggest Melo fans(me included) should accept the fact that Lebron is the better player at this point in their careers. It’s pure logic..

  • LakeShow

    Chris Paul and David West last year.

    Chris Paul scored 17 ppg on 12.2 FGA on 48% FG’s
    David West scored 17ppg on 13.8FG’s but on 50% FG’s

    Is that F*CKING clear enough you F*CK stick??????

    Sorry, I just really hate it when people waste my time, and then act like they are the “real basketball head.”

  • Sean Superstar Juan

    Yet you waste time replying. Just say that “I have no argument” man. Sometimes (even in the internet age where you’re anonymous and don’t have to “man up”) you’re just wrong and you have to accept it. This for you, is one of those times.

  • LakeShow

    Don’t worry, I went ahead and took care of that…

  • LakeShow

    Look up bud…

  • Sean Superstar Juan

    You stupid f*ck, you and the rest of the intelligent world knows that we were talking about players who play the same positions, hence is why you earlier compared Rose/Rondo. Don’t play dumb games to seem smart. F*ck you and “your time”, you post stupid things, smart people will correct you.

  • LakeShow

    K, wait two minutes while I get another one…

  • Sean Superstar Juan

    I shall, while you “take care” of things for NBK.

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    Lol you misread that thread.

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    No actually I’m off work and at home with my wife and daughter. Arguing with you is a waste of my time. You don’t matter.
    .
    Blunt honesty work better for you?

  • LakeShow

    Serge Ibaka/Jeff Green

    Both score 13ppg on 10 FGA, but Ibaka shoots more than 10% better FG% wise!!

    Whoa….

    Give me another minute and i’ll come up with more.

  • LakeShow

    Take the night off man, i’ve got 10 more mins here at work, should be enough to take care of this.

  • Sean Superstar Juan

    No, because you’re continually replying and now totally ducking your own point. If I didn’t matter, these silly replies wouldn’t continue to pop up. Just stop it and realize that blunt honesty is that last thing that you’re giving. You’re engaging in deflecting 101.

  • Sean Superstar Juan

    Meaning Ibaka is more efficient offensively, what’s hard about this? Are you stupid, please explain what happens on those additional lost possessions in which Jeff Green takes a shot and misses to a defensive rebound. Please, come up with another one.

  • pposse

    Okay will do. Haha on a completely dofferent note right at the 11 minite mark of the 1st qtr dh gave beverly the death stare when he didnt pass him tje ball! I hope to see more of that thruout the season!

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk
  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    I’m emailing, like a text, not putting together an organized explanation of something I already explained, simple enough for an idiot to comprehend. .
    You being the idiot. Aren’t worth that time.

  • LakeShow

    Nice!!!

    I knew Al would save the day in some way at some point!

  • LakeShow

    Dude…

    Please just listen, If two players both shoot 50% on field goal attempts but one scores more points on less FGA, the player that scored more is the more efficient player, no??

    Shooting the same amount but getting more points sounds more efficient to me…

    Dirk Nowitzki 17.3ppg on .487 FG’s

    VS

    Al Jefferson 17.8ppg on 50% FG’s

    Al Jefferson is more efficient right???

    WRONG

    Dirk needed just 13.7 FGA
    while AL Jeff needed 15.8

    Does this make sense???

  • AddingVelocityDontTellMe

    you can’t debate a fact. Lebron at 1 no question.

  • AddingVelocityDontTellMe

    that’s great phrase Offensive creation

  • AddingVelocityDontTellMe

    lbj isn’t in neutral his ranking plateaus but his game keeps evolving. I predict a better three point shot this year.

  • AddingVelocityDontTellMe

    how lbj shot ridiculous fg% his game is improving as well i mean 1 year the post the next year fg increase this year maybe a 3 pointer

  • AddingVelocityDontTellMe

    @disqus_rOeXXBD2qs:disqus

    what did bosh and wade do this last playoffs?

  • AddingVelocityDontTellMe

    do you want to have lunch on devon street

  • AddingVelocityDontTellMe

    to true battier no bulls shooter would go ice cold like battier

  • AddingVelocityDontTellMe

    rodman pippen> bosh wade

  • AddingVelocityDontTellMe

    15.6 ppg whats spot on devon street do you like

  • AddingVelocityDontTellMe

    but do you think wades efficiency stemmed his decreased usage rating and how lbj facilated his scoring

  • AddingVelocityDontTellMe

    what what what look at there av eerages

  • AddingVelocityDontTellMe

    bro if rose had persuaded lebron to go on the bulls they wouldve been 3x ring holders.

    look at this dynasty Rose, Lebron, Deng, Taj Gibson, Joakim Noah with Asik off the bench and possibly some decent role players

  • AddingVelocityDontTellMe

    do you do yugioh

  • AddingVelocityDontTellMe

    shout out to gundam wing

  • AddingVelocityDontTellMe

    why do you say that

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    Usage % for Al Jefferson was 25%
    Usage % for Dirk was 24%
    .
    Incase FGA isn’t good enough for you

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    Lmfao

  • efoibweof

    kobrick in the finals

    2000- 36% shooting
    2001 – 41.5% shooting
    2004 – 38% shooting
    2010 – 40% shooting

  • bball knowledge

    Lebron and Durant’s defense is not even comparable because first of all Durant has never shut down another NBA player much less a top level NBA player and second of all Lebron has shut down people with his defense and has guarded the best offensive players on the opposing team.

    Ask Parker, Rondo and Rose if Lebron has better defense than Durant and they will tell you another story, plus Kevin Durant could not even guard Mario Chalmers of all people in game 4 of the NBA final haha.

  • Caboose

    To everyone in the SLAM fantasy league, don’t forget that the Draft is tomorrow!

  • King David

    most overrated player EVER !

  • King David

    yup

  • King David

    DISLIKE

  • AddingVelocityDontTellMe

    what era would he thrived in? it really depends upon his team bro. If kd had wade bosh and lebron was on the thunder. id take the thunder. if kd was the spurs and lebron was the heat then i’d take the spurs.

    It’s really about the team. that’s why the only standard way to determine how good a player is through the simple test when comparing the two players who would you take to build a franchise

  • AddingVelocityDontTellMe

    do you go a website i can see about your philosophy

  • AddingVelocityDontTellMe

    howd that interim go and in what class?

  • AddingVelocityDontTellMe

    guess my age

  • AddingVelocityDontTellMe

    now who they want FLIP FLIP FLIP

    yo devon street do you go lunch there

  • AddingVelocityDontTellMe

    maybe he’s talking about you in a different world

  • AddingVelocityDontTellMe

    Juan what up does Lebron get credit for this hockey assits

  • AddingVelocityDontTellMe

    what up tho

  • AddingVelocityDontTellMe

    the marketing gave jordan the edge in reality he was wasn’t mvp every season he played but lebron should be for next 4 years

  • AddingVelocityDontTellMe

    what’s your philosophy

  • AddingVelocityDontTellMe

    man thats electirc

  • AddingVelocityDontTellMe

    you aint lyin big dutch

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    So I don’t remember what time it is exactly but I won’t be there. Lucky for y’all

  • AddingVelocityDontTellMe

    that’s tight i like this i like this a lot except for the i don’t want to hear your point of view that’s unmerited but evidence look for evidence young geechi

  • AddingVelocityDontTellMe

    how so? his teammates were weak. do you get lunch on devon street

  • http://triplejunearthed.com/dacre Dacre

    That tier discussion is legit…it’s LeBron, Durant and Steve Nash…oh wait up it’s not 2008!?….
    .
    For real though we agree that LeBron has his own tier now right? Right?
    .
    Talking to good little mate of mine he’s a youngin’ all of 14 going on 15 and he’s 6″4′ would you believe and EVERYTHING coming out his mouth is Lebron Lebron…. I was thinking to myself thats what it was like for me in 92-98…..Jordan Jordan

  • AddingVelocityDontTellMe

    why a tribute to his career? what has he done for your life

  • AddingVelocityDontTellMe

    and what makes you think its not easily top 3 seasons ever recorded in the modern era

  • AddingVelocityDontTellMe

    infinity is a big concept

  • AddingVelocityDontTellMe

    shot out to the digimons

  • AddingVelocityDontTellMe

    shout out to the digimons digital monsters and the avatar air bender

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    Infinitely so, at that

  • AddingVelocityDontTellMe

    what new skill do you think lebron will pull out this season? I think better three point shot

  • AddingVelocityDontTellMe

    he’s regressed in terms of flash and inefficient movements to score and create offense. but i think it was worth the tradeoff

  • Conor
  • Sean Superstar Juan

    No, you two are “finding” examples that are downright stupid. Dirk missed 30 games and you compare that to a full season from Big AL? This after making Chris Paul/David West comparison? Whose next, Kyrie Irving vs Dwight Howard?

  • Armando

    Agree with everything except that his apg career high is proof that his passing was better in Cleveland with worse teammates. APG is not necessarily an inidcation of passing ability, I don’t think his passing was better, he’s just as good at it if not better (…yeah, we’ve been through this before but anyway, look up: Marbury, Stephon).

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    That’s fair I did not really mean it that way but that’s definitely how it came off. I just mean in terms of production, his passing isn’t overrated in that his skill in that area is reliant on superior teammates in order for it to manifest as a significantly superior skill

  • Drig

    What.The.Hell?

  • Drig

    Are we assuming a healthy Wade here would have a bigger role and thus, better productivity or would play the same role? Because, if it’s the latter, I’d like to hear why……..If it’s the former, then I can see that.

  • Drig

    Not that I consider Durant to be better than LeBron or anything, but when you compare teams, also compare the relative depth of the conference.

    LBJ made the Finals with a weak supporting cast in a downright abysmal eastern conference.

  • Drig

    2000 – Bum ankle. Game 4
    2001 – True. But Kobe till the Finals? 49.5% . vs SIGNIFICANTLY BETTER TEAMS.
    2004 – Bad shooting from Kobe + A lot of missed calls.
    2010 – Remove Game 7, he’s right around his average. And this was vs arguably the best defensive team of the past decade.

  • jessedogg

    If the LeBron 08-09 and the Jordan pair of 87-88 (DOP & MVP) & 88-89 (32, 8, 8, 3 on 54% shooting) seasons ended in rings.. jebus… but they didn’t so.. fakk.

  • jessedogg

    checkmate

  • danpowers

    excuses

  • Guest

    Excuse, yes. However, were they lame ones? Nope.

    Didn’t Kobe have a bum ankle in 2000 NBA Finals??

    Didn’t Kobe light it up en route to the NBA Finals in 2001 and cemented himself as an equal to Shaq?

    Didn’t I admit that Kobe shot bad from the field vs Detroit? Also, if you watched the games, Detroit got away with a LOT of aggressive contact on Kobe’s shots. You can watch the games again if you’d like. Pretty sure some owner or GM thought the same as I did.

    Does it excuse Kobe’s and the Lakers’ implosion? No. But not everything is black and white as you make it out to be.

    2010 – Aren’t the ’10 Celts arguably the best defensive team of the 00s?? Also, he shot ONE game horribly and that undid all the good work that he did for the rest of the series.

    It wasn’t like he was consistently subpar in every game in 2010.

  • pposse

    lol you take one word ‘infinately’ out of context and cause a stir. Wade is still the greatest Robin of all time that is all.

  • jessedogg

    Chris Paul will win. Clippers will win 60 and paul will average 11 assist.

  • danpowers

    didnt say “lame” excuses. didnt paint anything black or white. didnt talk about the lakers’ implosion. i just stated: excuses. at least thats the same response i get anytime i am trying to explain one player’s shortcomings / performance with health.

    and still i have to ask – didnt most former champs and finals mvps have to deal with comparable drawbacks and still came up with more efficient performances? just a thought…

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    It’s just to show you why you can’t go by FG%, lol how many games each guy played doesn’t have any barring on how this shakes out. FG% doesn’t tell you enough information. Dirk vs Al shows you that. It’s very simple.

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    i took the word “infinitely” out of context? do you not know the definition of that word?

  • danpowers

    dude… only FG% doesnt tell you the whole story because this number doesnt differ between two pointers, three pointers and free throws.

    an example: if player A shoots 10-20 in a game and say he shoots 3-8 free throws, 0-2 from downtown, then he scored 23 points in this game at 50% FG%, while attempting 20 shots from the field and 8 free throws.

    compare him to player B who, lets say, shoots 7-15 from the field of which 3-7 are three point field goals along with 6-8 free throws which equals 23 points at a FG% of 46%.

    player A has a FG% of 50% but scored his 23 points less efficient than player B who scored the same ammount of points on 5 field goal attempts less even though his FG% is 4% worse than player A’s, he still managed to score 23 points while “costing” his team 5 shot attempts less. count free throws into it and you see that player A missed 15 shots compared to player B who only missed 10 shots -> even though player B has an inferior FG%.

    TS% and EFG% include these aspects, thats why FG% alone doesnt tell the whole story while these numbers go more into detail. thats why its called EFFECTIVE FG% and TRUE SHOOTING %. just the FG% cannot provide you with these details.

  • Caboose

    6:30 PDT, so 6:30 in Arizona. Should I move it?

  • Caboose

    I like how we’re all ignoring that AddingVelocity guy now.

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    nah it’s alright. this weekend is just bad for me, i probably won’t get home till like 10 tonight because of this rehearsal dinner. then i got the wedding tomorrow where i’m the best man, so i’ll be busy the entire day.

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    Yeah I think he’s already worn out his ability to get replies. Might be a new record

  • LakeShow

    HE DOES NOT GET IT.

    For some reason… He cannot understand that a player can be more efficient while shooting a worse fg%.

  • LakeShow

    I love when pure fact get’s down voted, always a strong sign for the human race…

  • LakeShow

    Al Jefferson and Dirk are both forwards…..

    You now won;t admit you are wrong will you?

    Man up dude, just admit, you have no clue what you’re talking about.

    You legitimately think that if two players score the same amount but one does it on less shots the one with higher FG% is still more efficient…. Holy garsh…. just THINK for a second!

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  • Sean Superstar Juan

    Sure it does, he missed over a 3rd of the season. Try again, next time with a better example. FG% is still the tried and true method for efficiency.

  • danpowers

    i dont know if i should find that amusing or sad

  • Sean Superstar Juan

    For the LAST time, he ISN’T taking less shots!!! You also take the FTA’s in games played. I’ll end this “argument” once and for all, for every example you have, I’ll have ten times the amount on my end. That’s how you measure it, and btw Kevin Durant and Ibaka are both forwards also but you would measure their stats against one another. Just give it up and move on to the next topic where you can “take care” of things for NBK.

  • Sean Superstar Juan

    Um, no. Now you’re adding different variables like bad ft%’s and using that as “from the floor efficiency”. You have the 50% FG guy shooting 37% from the foul line and the other guy shooting 75%? These guy’s play the same position? Let’s try reasonable examples like the Harden/Bryant, Durant/James, Rondo/CP3, comparisons of real life. Let’s just use the Top 50 scorers based on the NBA final stats from last year.

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    guess whose sitting at a computer, not at home with his family?

    let’s go back to the Al Jefferson vs Dirk Nowitzki example (which came from me, btw…)
    .
    you ready for some basic math?

    .
    we’ll start here,
    Usage Percentage (available since the 1977-78 season in the NBA); the formula is 100 * ((FGA + 0.44 * FTA +TOV) * (Tm MP / 5)) / (MP * (Tm FGA + 0.44 * Tm FTA + Tm TOV)). Usage percentage is an estimate of the percentage of team plays used by a player while he was on the floor.
    .
    Al Jefferson = 25.3% Usage %
    Dirk Nowitzki = 24.2% Usage %
    .
    Al Jefferson = 15.8 FGA per game
    Dirk Nowtizki = 13.7 FGA per game
    .
    Al Jefferson = 2.8 FTA per game
    Dirk Nowtizki = 3.7 FTA per game
    .
    Al Jefferson = 0.2 3ptA per game
    Dirk Nowtizki = 3.0 3ptA per game
    .
    Al Jefferson = .494% FG%
    Dirk Nowtizki = .471% FG%
    .
    Al Jefferson = 77% FT%
    Dirk Nowtizki = 86% FT%
    .
    Al Jefferson = 17.8 pts
    Dirk Nowtizki = 17.3 pts
    .
    Al Jefferson = 1.3 tov
    Dirk Nowtizki = 1.3 tov
    .
    Effective Field Goal Percentage; the formula is (FG + 0.5 * 3P) / FGA. This statistic adjusts for the fact that a 3-point field goal is worth one more point than a 2-point field goal. For example, suppose Player A goes 4 for 10 with 2 threes, while Player B goes 5 for 10 with 0 threes. Each player would have 10 points from field goals, and thus would have the same effective field goal percentage (50%).
    .
    Al Jefferson = .495% eFG%
    Dirk Nowtizki = .516% eFG%
    .
    True Shooting Percentage; the formula is PTS / (2 * TSA). True shooting percentage is a measure of shooting efficiency that takes into account field goals, 3-point field goals, and free throws.

    Al Jefferson = .522% TS%
    Dirk Nowtizki = .564% TS%
    .
    Now, this being on a per game basis, there is no need to worry about who played more. This shows, blatantly, that Dirk used less possessions to score the same number of points, because he was a better shooter overall, and thus, more efficient. Despite the broken story painted by FG%.

    .
    It doesn’t get more simple then this, everything you need to look at is right in front of your face. If you don’t get it after this, and really are old enough to have finished high school, you should probably look into whether or not you have a learning disability.

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    oh it’s over. i broke down Dirk vs Jefferson, showed the formulas, showed how they work. it’s over.

  • Sean Superstar Juan

    Nope, just shows that Dirk shot 10 percentage points higher from the free throw line. High school or not.

  • Sean Superstar Juan

    Furthermore, us “smart” basketball people know that comparing numbers of a stretch 4/ Big 3 to a low post 4/5 is also disingenuous.

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    lol this is embarrassing. you think the position a player plays, changes how his scoring efficiency should be measured? that’s so cute.

  • LakeShow

    So, that’s a “No”, you will not man up and admit you are wrong.

    Tell me pal, who’s more efficient at scoring of these two small forwards:

    Nic Batum who scores 14.3 points on 11.4 FG’s on 42% fg’s

    OR

    Thaddeus Young @ 14.8 points on 12.6 FG’s on 53% fg’s.

    Please show me your intelligence…

    That’s an 11% difference in FG% despite the guy with the lower FG% needing less shots to score just as much…

    THUS = MORE EFFICIENT

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    it does show that! but you know, Dirk only shot 1 more FT attempt a game, so it doesn’t however, explain why it took Jefferson 2 more shots to score the same amount of points…despite his higher FG %
    .
    Go ahead, use your own argument, and explain how Dirk is not more efficient than Al Jefferson.
    .
    I showed you every single piece of data you need to calculate who had the ball more often, who shot more shots, and who did what at a higher %.
    .
    So, if you “can” (you can’t….because math) explain how FG% shows whose more efficient.

  • LakeShow

    Hey man, your just not a “smart” basketball guy…. My god this dude is one of the best ever. Trollolololol

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    Usage Percentage (available since the 1977-78 season in the NBA); the formula is 100 * ((FGA + 0.44 * FTA +TOV) * (Tm MP / 5)) / (MP * (Tm FGA + 0.44 * Tm FTA + Tm TOV)). Usage percentage is an estimate of the percentage of team plays used by a player while he was on the floor.

    .

    do you see the part that says (Tm FTA + Tm TOV) ? that is the part that takes into account the possession used to get Free Throw Attempts.
    .
    The stat sciences aren’t flawed. Your brain is.

  • Sean Superstar Juan

    Wrong again. You have yet to show me a player scoring MORE than another player while shooting a lower FG% and being more efficient. Batum plays 4 more minutes, shoots worse from the field and averages less. What part of “more efficient” is that?

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  • Sean Superstar Juan

    You’re officially an idiot. “Usage percentage is an estimate………”, it’s an estimate you moron. Then with unmitigated arrogance you utter “The stat sciences aren’t flawed. Your brain is.”. I’ll give you a few minutes to remove it and save face. You’re using stat science to make “educated” estimates, still estimates though. I’m using FG% which is exact and you’re running on a treadmill trying to find ways to make your estimates seem as credible as exact numbers. Good luck with that.

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  • Sean Superstar Juan

    Lawson is more efficient. Keep trying though.

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    can’t wait till he get’s to the Deron Williams / Ty Lawson or Steph Curry / Tony Parker or (no offense) Kobe Bryant / James Harden pages and sees the %’s ……. his argument then is going to be hilarious. can’t even use the “they play different positions tho!” complaint.

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    he is?
    .
    weird, same amount of made shots, higher FG %, less points….
    .
    want to explain? enlighten us, “stupid f*cks”

  • Sean Superstar Juan

    Sure, just look at their FT%’s. Got it? Good.

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    0.9 more free throw makes for Williams per game…
    .
    idk how you can score 1.3 more points on 0.9 more made free throws.
    .
    wanna explain?

  • Sean Superstar Juan

    He shot 10 percentage points higher than Lawson. That’s the point disparity. Is that too hard Einstein?

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    he shot 10% higher than Lawson from the free throw line, and made .9 more free throws per game, for a grand total of 1.3 more points per game?
    .
    you do realize 0.9 free throws doesn’t even equal 1 point right? i mean, this is 2nd grade math here.
    .
    how does 0.9 = 1.3 points?
    .
    unless Deron, from the actual floor (you know, 3pt shots being worth more than 2′s….) was more efficient…..despite having a lower FG%.
    .
    seriously, you are blatantly wrong.

  • LakeShow

    Finally got him 100% cornered lol…

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    man, he has been cornered the whole time. you have to literally be an idiot not to understand that FG% isn’t the best tool to measure scoring efficiency.
    .
    TS% is literally taking all points scored / shots attempted, and dividing it by a value of 2. So in essence, every 2 points counts as a shot, there is no FT or 3pt or 2pt in that stat. it’s just points by assumed shots to get there.
    .
    if anything, TS% doesn’t give proper value to free throws…because it obviously can’t tell when FTA came from a dead ball or off-ball situation. I.E. not from a possession.

  • Dundler

    The top 50 is gone…looks like we should start debating top ten all-time to appease us all

  • efoibweof

    ye but the point is

    shaq was far and away the best player in the game from 00-02

    shaq alone > bosh+wade from either 2012 or 2013 doesnt matter

    so kobe vs lebron shouldnt even b a conversation hes not in lebrons league

  • danpowers

    sorry, but your question for those examples is pretty pointless, but let me take the time to actually take one of your examples to try to make you understand:

    if you compare cp3 to rondo it becomes really clear: rondo shot 48,4fg% from the field last season, cp3 shot 48,1fg%. that should make one think that they are scoring equally efficient or that rondo scores slightly more efficient, right? wrong! cp3 scores way more efficient than rondo:

    chris paul only averaged 1,4 shots per game more than rondo, but scored 3,4 points per game more than rondo. cp3 shot effiently by 2,9% better from the field 2s and 3s combined. if you put all shots into the calculation you get a true shooting difference of 7,4% between the two to paul’s advantage.

    my prior statement above was an abstract example for you to make you understand that free throw and three point accuracy impact scoring efficiency and add up to a scorers efficiency. simply fg% doesnt tell you the scoring efficiency of a player as a made three pointer gives a player three instead of two points which logically brings one to the conclusion that a player capable of hitting more threes can still score more points at less attempts than a player who cannot make threes. same goes for ft%. a better fg% by a player can imply that he scores better than the player he is being compared to, but that doesnt always work. efg% and ts% on the other hand actually tell you who shoots / scores more efficiently.

    got it now?

  • Sean Superstar Juan

    No, he scored more because he shot way better from the foul line. That’s all.

  • danpowers

    so… youre trying to tell all of us that you are not capable of understanding it or just not willing to understand?

  • Sean Superstar Juan

    I understand but don’t agree.

  • danpowers

    he didnt only shoot better from the foul line, but also from three point territory. because a three pointer outvalues a two pointer by one point and he exponentially made enough three pointers to even out the slight “shortcoming” in fg% (that, plus the free throw shooting) makes him the way more efficient scorer even though his fg% is slightly lower.

    1+1=2 is not about agreeing or disagreeing. thats the same like saying “if somebody chops my left arm off, i still have two arms”. disagreeing doesnt rlly makes sense in this case. why should professionals like GMs or coaches use an obsolete number that doesnt show you a true scoring efficiency if they can have a glance at the same time at numbers that actually show you scoring efficiency? fg% sometimes shows you the more efficient scorer, but not always. so why should anyone risk to get a wrong result from an inaccurate number? i think that this broken logic is the reason why the discussion with the other guys round here became so hostile, your refusal is just beyond anyones understanding lol.

  • The Philosopher

    Facebook.
    Parmenides Anaximenes.

  • AddingVelocityDontTellMe

    why do you have a masonic avatar

  • bball knowledge

    Lebron guarded him later on in the series…

  • bball knowledge

    Lebron never had great shooters around him until he came to Miami…

  • bball knowledge

    In the 80′s he would have had Magic and Larry, in the 90′s he would have had Jordan, in the early 2000′s he would have had Kobe and Tmac and now he has Lebron. smh he would be up against tough competition either way.

  • Max

    SMH this dude won’t give in lol

  • The Philosopher

    It is a tribute to the Illuminati.
    The most diabolical entity the world has ever known.

  • AddingVelocityDontTellMe

    Lol just like billderberg diabolical scheme.

    “The absence of evidence is not the evidence of absence”- Argument fromignorance.

    There are no such things as reptilian human beings like David Ickes says. Alex jones is ballin of those who feel helpless and fearful.

    Humans eat breathe same as we do who are in these groups. Western civilizations has always been oppressed as early as the Catholic Church.

    There are no aliens in Roswell.

  • AddingVelocityDontTellMe

    “The Absence of Evidence is not the evidence of absence” – fear mongering. Argument from ignorance.

    Billderberg does not control the fate of this planet. Most of those people in the group meet daily at the capitol.

    There are no such things as Reptilian humans like david icke says. Does Alex Jones make money doing what he does.

    Humans that are part of these groups were born just like me and you and eat and breath the same as we do. I mean people were oppressed by the Catholic Church by not giving literature because they wanted control but does that mean the vatican is hiding information for the arrival of the antichrist???

    I mean documentaries like Loose Change, Th Zeitgeist movement, The UFO Pyramid Connections

    If you want to find the truth about the nature of reality then start reading books at a library

  • The Philosopher

    I respect that.
    I really do.
    BUT… the evidence on the contrary is overwhelming.
    Arguably.
    Depending on interpretation.

  • AddingVelocityDontTellMe

    although I am taking a sabbatical I will give you my last reply for sometime. Your allowing your location and period in existence to prevent you from seeing the Absolute. Interpretation and relativism shouldn’t be used so openly and as a broad statement. There is standard acceptance for everything by definition (you can try to argue that point but its useless).

    We don’t see oxygen but yet we have different qualitative and quantitative standards to define everything that we can perceive.

    I will tell you four things and it is your choice to follow up. 1. A Book will allow you to go back to the origin of this timeline and you will see the structure that the human species was placed in. 2. Intelligent life exists on this planet in an electromagnetic spectrum that we cannot see but can perceive from other senses 51:56; the emotion of hate just like love has functional capacity against humans (all humans) greatest enemy. 3. There are 10 majors signs (one of which contains the ONE EYE that you desire to know more about) before the Final Hour of this reality and then it will cease. 4. Hadith Gabriel Burj Khalifa.

    P.s. conspiracy documentaries like the Arrivals will ruin your mind.

  • LakeShow

    How did you forget the Cavs team already.

    Ilgauskas
    Sasha Pavlovich
    Donyell Marshall
    Damon Jones
    Booby
    Delonte West
    Wally Szczerbiak
    Mo Williams
    Anthony Parker
    Antawn Jamison

    You can say allot of things good and bad about these players. But one thing is for sure, they could shoot the ball.

  • Need to know basis

    That heat team was brought together for LeBron, even tho OKC players are “better” and more “athletic”. The Heat knew EXACTLY what they were doing when they got that team. LeBron has NO killer instinct, they KNOW this, so they built the team to his strongest attribute. HIS PASSING. Surround him with knockdown shooters, Mike Miller, Chalmers, Shane, Ray. Bring in a big who can knock down the jumper (Bosh). That’s amazing GMing. All those people you can’t leave open with an athletic FREAK OF NATURE having tons of space to operate in. I hate that the Heat GMs were so freaking smart. Bron has two rings because of Great GMs surrounding him with the type of players who will always make him look like a King.

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    the “killer instinct” argument is two levels below ridiculous. so save me on that front.

  • Mal

    Yea ridicouls because he has none! He even acknowledges this himself by saying “I do other things for my team”. So for you to even argue the fact is “two levels below ridiculous.”.

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    Not what he said either.

  • bball knowledge

    none of them are hall of famers…

  • LakeShow

    “great shooters” means hall of fame? got it…

    Is Steve Kerr in the hall of fame?
    Robert Horry?
    Shane Battier going in?
    Danny Green?
    Steve Novak
    Klay Thompson…

    Who cares if they are HOFamers. Shooters can shoot.
    Those were shooters.

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  • Gavin Manasco

    Three peat? How bout no. The Miami Heat big 3 is dying. Paul George and the Pacers are rising…

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