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Wednesday, October 23rd, 2013 at 12:00 pm  |  297 responses

Top 50: Chris Paul, no. 3

The prototypical point guard is focused on a Championship.

by Nima Zarrabi / @NZbeFree

He was mean.

That’s what they say about Chris Paul as a kid. His family members recount a funny story about a young Chris and his older brother CJ. One day when CJ was a 3-year-old, he stood at the top of the stairs when Chris, a 1-year-old at the time, rolled up on him and pushed him down the steps. They laugh about it now and clearly Chris didn’t know what he was doing, but his personality was on display. We have seen this attitude on the court at times—CP3 is as competitive as they come in the Association, a certified cleaner on the court.

Late last season, San Antonio coach Gregg Popovich praised this side of CP3 to the L.A. Times. “He is a mean, nasty man,” Popovich said, affectionately. “I don’t know if there is anybody more competitive in the League than that little dude. He’s one of those guys that they must have stole his toys and everything when he was a kid. He’s getting back in that world, because he’s mad at everybody once he steps on the court.”

Off the court, Paul is considered to be one of the nicest guys in the game, a loving husband and father that global brands can confidently align with for the best of both worlds. He is now the NBA Players Association President, a post he does not take lightly.

“It’s going to take all of us players to get the union where we like it at and I’m going to call on these two guys (Blake Griffin and DeAndre Jordan) and a lot of other guys,” Paul explained during media day. “We just want to continue to try to grow the game and make it even bigger than it is right now.”

This is your canvas Doc Rivers. The man who shaped the Boston Celtics into the nastiest beast in the East has a new muse. Under his care, Kevin Garnett didn’t smile for five years, spitting insults throughout games while legally bitch slapping anyone he could. His precocious young PG Rajon Rondo opted against speaking for 28 months, real talk, unleashing terror throughout the L. And Paul Pierce’s step back hit deadlier levels under this us-against-the-world regime.

So, what’s Doc going to do for CP3? He’s getting 18 points, 10 dimes, 4 rebounds and 2 steals per, the best PG in the game. If he gets Paul to buy into the same mentality he instilled in Boston, this Clipper team could be scary. There has already been heavy talk of defense and the death of Lob City. Nice additions have been made to the roster. Veterans Darren Collison, JJ Redick, Jared Dudley and Antawn Jamison are nice pieces to go with an amazing core of Paul, Griffin, Jordan and Jamal Crawford.

Paul has everything in place. He has his coach, a quality squad and a max extension. Following games, one of the first people into the locker room when it opens to the media is his son, “Lil Chris,” decked out in retro Js and followed closely by his boys, Matt Barnes’ twins. The Clippers have a family atmosphere, one that didn’t exist before Paul joined the squad—that’s all him.

It’s his franchise and now it’s time to deliver. CP3 is entering his ninth year in the League and having never advanced further than the second round of the Playoffs, the expectations will be heavier than they ever have been. Last year’s first-round loss to the Memphis Grizzles was a bitter end to a record-breaking season for Paul and the Clippers. He can’t do that again.

Throughout his career, Paul has received a great deal of individual acclaim but he has realized that he will not be satisfied without a Championship. “With professional athletes, you always want people to motivate you and push you,” Paul says. “The first meeting I had with Doc, he pretty much told me I wasn’t anything. He told me I hadn’t done anything in this League and he was right.”

Attempting to replicate the past, Doc appears to be building a Big Three: West Coast Edition. On most occasions last season, the Clippers made Paul and Griffin available to the media in a dual post-game presser. This year, Doc might be pushing for a triad on the regular. CP3, Griffin and Jordan recently appeared on Jimmy Kimmel as a threesome and at the Clippers media day, the new big three took the stage together, each with mic in hand. The group was soon asked a question about Rivers. When the reporter finished his query, Jordan and Griffin quickly looked at CP3 for clarity. It wasn’t the first time. Paul laughed while looking at the pair, shaking his head. “Y’all just look at me, huh?”

The trio broke into laughter—the kind that makes you believe it’s true.

Where should Chris Paul rank in the SLAM Top 50?

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SLAMonline Top 50 Players 2013
Rank Player Team Position Pos. Rank
50 Monta Ellis Mavs SG 5
49 Luol Deng Bulls SF 10
48 Ricky Rubio TWolves PG 14
47 Greg Monroe Pistons PF 12
46 Kawhi Leonard Spurs SF 9
45 Mike Conley Grizzlies PG 13
44 Al Jefferson Bobcats C 9
43 David Lee Warriors PF 11
42 Jrue Holiday Pelicans PG 12
41 Anthony Davis Pelicans PF 10
40 Joe Johnson Nets SG 4
39 Serge Ibaka Thunder PF 9
38 Kevin Garnett Nets PF 8
37 Rudy Gay Raptors SF 8
36 Paul Pierce Nets SF 7
35 Ty Lawson Nuggets PG 11
34 Pau Gasol Lakers PF 7
33 Al Horford Hawks C 8
32 Andre Iguodala Warriors SF 6
31 Brook Lopez Nets C 7
30 Zach Randolph Grizzlies PF 6
29 DeMarcus Cousins Kings C 6
28 Damian Lillard Blazers PG 10
27 Josh Smith Hawks SF 5
26 Joakim Noah Bulls C 5
25 Roy Hibbert Pacers C 4
24 John Wall Wizards PG 9
23 Chris Bosh Heat C 3
22 Tim Duncan Spurs PF 5
21 Dirk Nowitzki Mavs PF 4
20 LaMarcus Aldridge Blazers PF 3
19 Rajon Rondo Celtics PG 8
18 Marc Gasol Grizzlies C 2
17 Blake Griffin Clippers PF 2
16 Deron Williams Nets PG 7
15 Kevin Love TWolves PF 1
14 Dwyane Wade Heat SG 3
13 Paul George Pacers SF 4
12 Russell Westbrook Thunder PG 6
11 Tony Parker Spurs PG 5
10 Stephen Curry Warriors PG 4
9 Kyrie Irving Cavs PG 3
8 Dwight Howard Rockets C 1
7 Derrick Rose Bulls PG 2
6 Kobe Bryant Lakers SG 2
5 James Harden Rockets SG 1
4 Carmelo Anthony Knicks SF 3
3 Chris Paul Clippers PG 1

Rankings are based on expected contribution in ’13-14—to players’ team, the League and the game.

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  • Caboose

    How was Paul at number 8 three years ago? Solid write up.

  • Bourgozie

    He averages 16/9/3 … Where the hell did they get 18/10/4 from?

  • Caboose

    He averaged 17/10/4 last year. And 20/9/4 the year before that.

  • Nick Holden

    Yeah I was thinking the same thing. Guess he was comming off some injury problems, he only played 45 games in 09/10, and in 10/11 people were kinda hating on him because he was forcing his way out of New Orleans.

  • Bourgozie

    16/9/3 and the year prior to last is irrelevant. He’s generally an overrated player, especially on the defensive end

  • shockexchange

    “Empty-Mouf”, “Empty-Mouf”, if you don’t catch a rabbit this year then Gramma gon’ leave you in the kennel from now on.

  • Caboose

    You really don’t appreciate advanced stats at all then, if you think that.

  • Caboose

    Furthermore: 16.9, 9.7, 3.6. That’s closer to 17/10/4 than 16/9/3.

  • Caboose

    Only explanation…

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    you really don’t understand that 16.9 and 9.7 are closer to 17 and 10?

  • pposse

    advanced stats are young

  • TR

    Its wild how much hes separated himself from d-will since 2010

  • Bourgozie

    Players like Rajon Rondo who average numbers like 14/11/6 are consistently overlooked, when he is a triple double threat every night and a superior on-ball defender. Chris Paul is in the NBA’s agenda

  • Caboose

    Do you really think Rondo contributes more than Chris Paul?

  • Caboose

    …..ok?

  • Stepfan Raiford

    So true. Since D-will got traded from Utah he’s not even in CP3′s area code.

  • pposse

    BOO! worse than 3!

  • shockexchange

    D-Will has dominated head-to-head battles though. The only caveat is that D-Will may put more emphasis on those head-to-head matchups than Empty-Mouf does.

  • pposse

    if advanced stats were the basis of everything, which pretty much just support efficiency…then David Robinson is the 4th best player of all time.

  • Caboose

    What are you going by, just PER?

  • Stepfan Raiford

    Rondo I believe also as much as it pains me to day that.

  • Bourgozie

    In regards to statistics yes (rebs/asts/blks) yes … and even more so in the playoffs

  • WTT

    A solid number of Rondo assists are out of pace and place. He HUNTS for those numbers

  • pposse

    yup

  • TR

    I think D-Will’s going to have a great year, but he wont ever be back in that best pg in the game conversation. CP3 just brings it on D and is more consistent. Cant knock D-Will’s clutch factor and ability to score though.

  • BCoops

    I tend to think of CP3 as the ‘Grandma’ in @shockexchange little scenario, the one who masterminds the hunting dogs. Its just a shame he keeps gettin stuck with the muts who can’t catch nuthin’. Trust me Griffin doesn’t count either!

  • shockexchange

    In the past Rondo has been a bad example because his team (Celtics) was always superior to Empty-Mouf’s team.

  • Stepfan Raiford

    Decent write up. I don’t mind the spot at all, but I still feel that Blake needs to contribute more in the 4th for this team to make/win in the finals.

  • Bourgozie

    Chris Paul beat out Avery Bradley for All-NBA Defensive 1st team, and Tony Parker for All-NBA 1st Team … These thing I’ll never understand.

  • Caboose

    Hahahaha, ok, you’re saying Rondo is better because he has more blocks than Chris Paul??? Nice.

    Try this out.

    1. The highest PER Rondo has ever achieved is 19.1. In the Playoffs, 22.0. Paul hasn’t EVER posted a PER that low. Meaning, Rondo’s best was less efficient than Paul’s worst.

    2. Last season, Paul had almost triple the Win Shares per 48 minutes than Rondo. Meaning, on average, Paul contributed substantially more to his team winning than Rondo. There has never been a year statistically where Rondo contributed more to his team’s success than Paul did.

    3. Chris Paul has 3 times led the L in assist %, meaning what percentage of his possessions he secures an assist. Rondo has never done that. Meaning, even though Rondo may have MORE assists, Paul gets them more often.

    4. Rondo and Paul take the exact same amount of shots, about 12 a game. The difference is that Rondo puts up 14 points and Paul puts up 17. That’s big.

    5. Chris Paul has led the L 4 times in Steal %. It’s the same stat as assist %: as in how often Paul gets steals. Rondo has led the L twice.

    6. Paul dominates Rondo at offensive rating which is one of the best indicators for efficient and effective impact on the offensive end.

    7. There is literally NOTHING Rondo does better than Paul except rebound.

  • don

    i honestly think that if blake was healthy in the mem series, they could have won and gone to WCF. with that said, it’s irrelevant now, CP3 has no excuses now.

  • Caboose

    Nice.

  • shockexchange

    In the Shock Exchange’s opinion, those “muts” may never catch a rabbit but they sure know where the after-party is though.

  • Zabbah

    I’d rather pick Tony Parker than Chris Paul, but I’m a Spurs guy.

  • Stepfan Raiford

    I hope he does. I’m a fan of his game, but when you have an injury like D-will has right now, and the best treatment is rest, and he doesn’t actual know when he will be able to play, that potential great year might just turn into a solid year. I just remember when it was an actual debate who was better; D-will or CP3, kind of like when it was T-mac and Kobe. But injuries kicked in for T-mac (and lack of effort on defense) and was never the same.

  • LakeShow

    Well, uhhh, that kinda settles that doesn’t it…

  • Bourgozie

    If you take into account the fact that Rondo has been on a better team than CP3 for a longer period of time it makes sense that he contributes less to his teams winning. Especially the fact that you specified last year (where Rondo only played 32 or 33 games, and at that point the C’s were sitting around .500) it only makes sense. Also when it comes to assist % him getting them “more often” doesn’t subtract from the fact that Rondo tallies more at the end of the day. That’s like me saying the fact that you get paid more often than I do completely nullifies the fact that I make more money than you do, and it doesn’t. It also seems that you are basing your opinion off their career and not about what they have done recently, advanced stats don’t tell the whole story. By actually watching the game and not depending on advanced stats or PER to determine who’s a better player I watch Rondo put up triple doubles that are unheard of for a point guard at 6’1, no other point guard in the league can do what he does, and although CP3 has been pretty much elite since he came out of College and has been better for longer, I don’t think it takes away from the fact that I think Rondo is better now. Now that he has the team to himself, when he comes back we’re bound to see a rise in scoring numbers as well, and even more-so be in the convo for bet pg in the league

  • LakeShow

    Good thing we all use are noggins to go along with the advance stats. They’re nice, but that’s all.

  • http://soundcloud.com/tray-8 T-Ray

    He probably beat out Bradley do to the fact that CP3 played 70 games and he played 50 as well as CP3 averaging 2.4 spg as opposed to Bradley’s 1.3

  • LakeShow

    I honestly cannot imagine why, but I won’t make you explain if you don’t want.

    My main thing is Paul has always had better individual stats and is a much better defender.

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    last year, with Rajon Rondo in the lineup, the Celtics were 18-20. now unless you think LAC was more talented than they were (really, that team was only that good because of Chris Paul, which is his curse, people like you see them look really good, and think he’s somehow not good enough because they didn’t succeed, when really, they didn’t belong anywhere near where they were).
    .
    if he’s better than Chris Paul, PALEASE revisit your opinion and explain how he is “a better player”

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    Chris Paul was better than Tony Parker last season…..on both sides of the court.
    .
    Avery Bradley played 50 out of 82 games.
    .
    if you are really “never going to understand” that, then you have a personal issue to address.

  • LakeShow

    I don’t mind them taking into account how much of a load CP carries on offense into his defensive accolades. If he was Tony Allen, where he didn’t have an offensive game to go with his D, he would be one of the L’s top defenders.

    Yeah, his back up PG was a better defender last year, but that’s only because of CP’s offensive output.

    He is one of the best two way players in the game, period…

  • http://soundcloud.com/tray-8 T-Ray

    “but I’m a Spurs guy”. Pretty much says why.

  • LakeShow

    Yeah that was the explanation I suppose hah.

  • Najee Fareed

    still has not proven he deserves this spot

  • Bourgozie

    Yeah but in a game where each team averages roughly 100 possessions, for CP3 (a player who averages lets say 43 minutes per game and averages 2.4 steals) that only accounts for 2.4 out of the 89 possessions he plays. What do we do to account for the other 87 possessions? Also, when you take into account the fact that cp3′s steals come from playing the passing lanes rather than on-ball defense it doesn’t really account for defensive prowess, but rather someone who took a gamble. On the other hand I can tell you that AB plays full-court defense on the pg he’s defending for almost 100% of the time he’s on the court and locks a lot of dudes down, he ever does an excellent job at guarding D-wade at times. I think he got robbed.

  • Zabbah

    It’s true, that was a biased statement. And the facts don’t lie, Chris Paul’s put up better numbers than Tony. The only thing I can meekly reply to that is Tony doesn’t have to put up those kind of numbers because he’s always had better teammates than Chris.

  • http://soundcloud.com/tray-8 T-Ray

    You and I both know that the All Defensive 1st team is a joke at times. I pointed out the spg because a lot of times guys are put on that team because of stats. I believe AB is a much better defender. Besides I think AB was classified as being a SG more than a PG even though Rondo got hurt.

  • Bourgozie

    Clippers were one of the most talented teams in the league, and had one of the deepest benches. The celtics roster on paper looked good on paper, but you have Pierce and Garnett on the decline, and a team riddled with injuries. Lol and when they faced the Clippers they got blown out so I don’t even know where you’re going with this. CP3 definitely played on the better team last year

  • Dundler

    This spot seems locked up for Paul. Nobody is foolish enough to lump him with Durant/Lebron, but everyones opinion differs so much on the four or five under him that nobody challenges to jump up for that three spot.
    If I had to guess though, Rose might have the best chance of jumping out of that pool.
    WIthout higher playoff success, I don’t see Paul hanging onto the no.1 PG spot that much longer

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    Avery Bradley’s defensive Rating was 105
    Chris Pauls’ defensive Rating was 102 (<– lower is better)

  • Dundler

    Also, some replied to one of my comments on the Harden piece with this absolute gem (unfortunately it was only a few hours ago so most wouldn’t have seen it) Enjoy.

    “It seems that everyone thinks its LeBron Durant and everyone else but after seeing him without Westbrook he didn’t seem as unstoppable anymore, ironically. But mostly I feel people forget just how good Rose was, he has already developed a consistent jump shot took LeBron years to do that. Rose has the potential to be the closest thing to unstoppable and I honestly believe if not for injuries he would’ve surpassed Durant AND LeBron by now”

  • Zabbah

    And Chris Paul’s never won the Euro title in his entire career. So suck on that, Paul.

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    LOL, people really think because the Clippers have athletic guys that they were deep? that team was as good as they were because of Chris Paul. That team, outside of Chris Paul, had only one player who was not a liability on one side of the court (Matt Barnes)…..you realize that? they had 2 players who were productive on both sides of the court……without Chris Paul, the Clippers would have been competing with the bottom teams in the league for most ping pong balls.

    without Rajon Rondo? The Celtics were 23-20…..and worked their way back into the playoffs.

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    you mean, Dwight does?

  • Caboose

    If I were you, I would learn more about stats before you criticize them. Makes you look ignorant.

  • Caboose

    Sarcasm?

  • Bourgozie

    I know about stats, however I’m not criticizing them, I’m putting them into context which is just as important

  • http://soundcloud.com/tray-8 T-Ray

    But he does have an Olympic Gold Medal…

  • pposse

    so if you replace cp with tony parker, rajon rondo, derrick rose, or rw the clippers would be bottom feeders. Got it.

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    you understand the stats, but think the bulk of Rondo’s assists make him a better passer than Paul, who gets assists at a higher rate………….
    .
    that’s like saying, you get to shoot 10,000 jumpers, and i get 1,000, you make 900, i make 899, so you are the better shooter………….

  • Caboose

    Ok then, contextualize this: Celtics had a better record without Rondo than with him. How is that explained?

  • Zabbah

    I’m sure there’s some honorary Frenchie citizen award that Parker’s got and Paul doesn’t.

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    you should buy hooked on phonics

  • Dundler

    i’m letting my bias talk

  • Bourgozie

    A number of things, a slow start to the season, a number of new additions (returning Jeff Green, returning Avery bradley, Sully, Terry, Barbosa, Courtney Lee) which meant they need to build chemistry, and the inconsistencies of Garnett and Pierce just to name a few … One thing though, I believe they were on a 5 game streak before he got injured and lost to ATL in OT, and they went on a run following that. We don’t know how it would have turned out if he stayed in the lineup …

  • http://soundcloud.com/tray-8 T-Ray

    And your point? You for some reason needed to point out CP3 doesn’t have a Euro title as if that’s some knock on his career and I responded with that fact he has an Olympic Gold Medal which in many people’s eyes is much more prestigious.

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    yeah you are. lol

  • pposse

    my belief is that the clippers as constructed last year with any pg in the top %20 percentile (top 5 pg) would have made it to the playoffs as a middle seed just like cp3 did.

  • http://soundcloud.com/tray-8 T-Ray

    Bias? Never got the impression you were a Rose/Bulls guy.

  • Dundler

    Its act a pure hatred of Howard

  • http://soundcloud.com/tray-8 T-Ray

    That’s right I forgot lol

  • Dundler

    What is a SLAM convo without bias? Nah I get your point, I’m waiting to see on what Howard is like this year. As far as I know, he’s fully healthy. He’s perhaps in the best situation he’s been in team wise, though 09 is obv debatable. He’s got a quality accomplice…he should have his best season. I wouldn’t be surprised if he got MVP, but then if things don’t go well, I wouldn’t be surprised to see him go sour either. I simply can’t reward him for his attitude in recent years.

    BTW, do you have a favourite player in the NBA? I don’t think I’ve ever heard you mention

  • Caboose

    Sigh. Nbk, you wanna pull the stats on the Clips offensive efficiency with and without Paul?

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    that’s fair…..but that isn’t at all what i said.

  • Dundler

    Luol Deng could take the rest of the UK in consecutive one-on-one’s and still win, doesn’t mean he’s the best SF

  • Dundler

    Would be really, really impressive is Paul had a french citizen award

  • Caboose

    He loves to play dumb and misinterpret anything you say. Pposse really isnt worth it.

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    just go to 82games and click on the Clippers. Chris Paul made their offense like 12 points better per 48 minutes…i mean the guy’s f*cking offensive rating was like 127!

  • http://soundcloud.com/tray-8 T-Ray

    I’m glad you’re not a retard.

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    nah, i’m not big for favorite/personal feelings when it comes to this stuff. i like watching personality guys, like Stephen Jackson / Gilbert Arenas / Renaldo Balkman / Tony Allen those types of guys, but I don’t “favor” any player or team.

  • Caboose

    I know, it’s f*cking nuts. But I doubt Bourgozie understands it. If he did, he wouldn’t be arguing.

  • pposse

    its just how it came out. The thread is about putting another PG over CP. I think its fair to assume that the Clippers, CP or not, is entitlled to a top tier pg since they playd with one which is where im coming from..whatever tho it was a misinterpretation that got cleared up

  • Dundler

    Thats fair man, each to their own. I def have my favourite players and teams but wouldn’t be like a diehard for one particular team no matter what.

    I can also at least keep some sembelence of objectivity. Kobe, overall, has been my favourite player since I’ve been watching, but I’m not going around saying he’s better than Lebron or whatever.
    Kobe or Duncan act, I can never decide.

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    no it’s not how it came out.
    .
    “without Chris Paul, the Clippers would have been competing with the bottom teams in the league for most ping pong balls.”

    - immediately followed by,

    “without Rajon Rondo? The Celtics were 23-20…..and worked their way back into the playoffs.”

    seriously man, you need to read better. this is not an insult. it’s just the way it is.

  • Bourgozie

    I feel like your example is out of place, seeing how missing the 9,000 fg’s taken in your example is obviously negative, while on the other hand a lower assist rate is not a negative thing, or a representation of a “better passer” because more of a rewarder of someone who averages less t/o’s than anything else and equates a positive value of an assist to the negative value of a turnover, which isn’t true … at all

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    yeah, i don’t judge anyone for having favorites. i USED to anyway, (it was Kobe all through my later adolescence / early adulthood), just kind of grew out of it, and now look at / approach basketball in a more “calculated” way. (lack of a better word).

  • Dundler

    Nah I definitely think that happens to people with maturity, not just in basketball either. Its just as good to have a debate that way as it is with favourites/preferred players.

    The worst thing with having favourites is that they eventually retire, and your first era goes, which is definitely in my range now with Kidd & T-Mac gone and the rest on the way

  • Caboose

    Think of it this way: Paul has less wasted possessions. When Paul has the ball, he is much more likely to score or create an assist than Rondo. Does that make sense?

  • pposse

    ‘that team was as good as they were bc of CP’ (could replace CP with ‘elite pg’) was all i meant but okay.

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    it’s a negative thing when your offense is also worse….you turn the ball over more, and you score worse.
    .
    Rajon Rondo does literally one thing better than Chris Paul….and that one thing, is not really an important factor when measuring who is a better point guard.

  • Caboose

    How? He makes his team more effective on the offensive end better than anyone not named LeBron or Durant.

  • Free

    I agree, everyone says Paul is a clutch player, a big moment player but I don’t see it at least not enough.
    They say he’s aggressive but I dont’ see THAT enough either tbh
    Parker made me a firm believer in the finals but ive known for quite some time that he was a big time player
    I haven’t seen Paul try to do everything in his power to win when it matters since the New Orleans-Lakers series in 2011 I believe
    I know he has it in him, but I just don’t see it enough, he’s as passive as LeBron used to be imo
    TBH I would take Parker AND Rondo over him, I know imma get flack for it but Ive seen soo many big time player moments from Rondo and Parker over the years
    Maybe they stand out cuz I hate the Celtics and never root for the Spurs but still

  • LakeShow

    It’s been established that Rose die hards are the new version of the old Kobe apologists.

    No rational, just purely exuberant youth.

  • Free

    In EVERYBODY’S eyes lol

  • http://soundcloud.com/tray-8 T-Ray

    I was being polite lol

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    that’s what creates that “nostalgia” that leads people to believe “it was better in my day” — honestly, that POV is what drove me away from having favorites, or feeling an emotional connection to something NBA related. it was affecting how i judged players/eras….so i have tried to cut that out of my opinion and thought process altogether. although, i realize i am not perfect by any stretch, it has been a pseudo focus of mine.

  • LakeShow

    Why would you take a worse offensive player in Rondo, and a worse defensive player in TP, when you can have the best of both worlds in Chris Paul??

  • http://soundcloud.com/tray-8 T-Ray

    I agree. As Kobe nears retirement the Rose Petals (shout out to JTaylor) are slowly taking over.

  • Bourgozie

    Yes, that makes sense. However, does that not somewhat rely on the the personnel he has around him (when it comes to the likelihood of him getting an assist)?

  • Free

    Because they are still BIG time, clutch players who make BIG time plays and are never afraid of the BIG moments

  • Dundler

    Yeah that is interesting. I find it a weird combo between people really over valueing people from their era, but then a lot of other also forget the vast differences and benefits received today…its not perfect either way but I can see what you mean…hence people still thinking Kobe is the best player in the league

  • Caboose

    Indeed it does, but our statistics show that the Celtics without Rondo were more effective than the Clippers without Paul. That means Rondo actually had the better supporting cast.

  • Bourgozie

    Also, CP3′s passer rating is only greater than Rondo’s by .5. Y’all are making a mountain out of a mole hill

  • Free

    I don’t think rondo is a better player than Paul but id still take him over Paul cuz Paul has yet to show me he can make those big plays when it matters.
    Once again im somewhat ironically biased cuz I’ve been witnessed to Rondo making crucial heartbreaking plays against teams I root for such as the Knicks, Heat.
    I don’t think anyone would disagree with me that Parker definitely is more of a big time player than Paul

  • http://soundcloud.com/tray-8 T-Ray

    Figured I’d post it here since this is where the most traffic is:
    My fantasy league still has 6 slots available. If anyone wants to join reply with your email and I will send you an invite!

  • Caboose

    We may be making a mountain but at least we’re going the right direction. You’re making a canyon out of a molehill.

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    yeah, or the belief that the game of basketball hasn’t evolved since Jordan’s era…or that defense has somehow become worse. sh*t, i had a conversation with a few of the old commenters from SLAM who are a decade older than I am, and they really tried to argue even shooting has regressed…………….

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    you can say that, but it doesn’t mean anything…..i mean, i could say the Bulls would improve with Chris Paul….and how would you react? with your own opinion that ultimately doesn’t change anything…..

  • Lexluther312

    Haven’t thought much about this til just now: any thoughts as CP3′s spot on the list of all time PG’s? Dude is one of the most respected that we have in the league today, and holds a slew of all stars and all-NBA selections. He does, however, have a glaring lack of playoff success (some of which can be attributed to those weak Nawlins rosters). Where would ya’ll put him in contention with Zeke, Magic, Oscar, JStock, etc.?

  • LakeShow

    Haha, no way, you pretty much summed it up!

  • ATL dynamite

    If ever, ever Chris Paul would join the Spurs after Tony Parker retires…..CP3 and Pop together? Wow

  • LakeShow

    “Big time player” argument… got it…

  • LakeShow

    Rose Petals… Dear god I forgot that one! Excellent…

  • pposse

    i would say you have no basis at all for making that claim since cp is not near the scorer rose is, therefore not filling in a role that is needed for the success of the team. Success that was proven to grant them 2 number 1 overall seeds in the past 3 years. If it aint broke don’t fix it.

    Meanwhile there are about 5 or 6 pgs in the league right now that can bring similar success to the Clippers as CP does, because a lot of those guys are good finishers. a guy like rondo would be able to set them up just fine imo.

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    again, just proving a point. not actually arguing, (although i agree with you)….Chris Paul has never been in a situation where scoring like that would benefit his team, so you don’t actually know if he could, or couldn’t. and i’m not big on arguing about a person’s opinion on an unprovable talking point.
    .
    “Meanwhile there are about 5 or 6 pgs in the league right now that can bring similar success to the Clippers as CP does, because a lot of those guys are good finishers. a guy like rondo would be able to set them up just fine imo.”

    - just like the above, this is purely your opinion, it changes and has no affect on anything. so it’s not really relevant if you are actually trying to make a case or argue. it adds nothing.

  • http://soundcloud.com/tray-8 T-Ray

    Those were the good days when we use to complain about the commenting system. Back when JCrawford and nbk use to do battle. Back when Bazarro nbk was wreaking havoc and when JTaylor use to be a troll lol

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    B Crawford. we had a long drawn out argument on twitter yesterday actually, it turned into quite the spectacle with other people.

  • pposse

    behind all of them

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    he has to win something before he gets in that conversation.

  • http://soundcloud.com/tray-8 T-Ray

    Yea B Crawford lol ahh you got in a twitter argument? No bueno sir no bueno.

  • LakeShow

    I forgot about Crawford for a minute. That guy was pretty awesome… damn there have been a few nbk “impersonators.”
    I forgot that JTaylor was a troll too… Damn you’re my SLAM memory bank!!

    “The good ole days” …like two, three years ago haha.

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    it was ridiculous. then snottie and all those people read it, the overreaction was almost just as ridiculous. people on twitter really don’t like BC

  • http://soundcloud.com/tray-8 T-Ray

    People need to realize it’s just twitter. Like this dude that tried to get all religious on me just because my name is “Tyluminati” like man it’s just a damn nickname lol

  • http://soundcloud.com/tray-8 T-Ray

    Lol I was brand new to SLAM 2 years ago and it was like a soap opera between those guys plus Enigmatic. Allenp, Caboose, Fat Lever and I know I’m missing a few others. JTaylor was the biggest troll in life lol

  • Dundler

    Hahahahaa oh my. See, when its in the bareface of something like that its stupid. Even if we look purely at three point shooting, I came across this stat a few weeks ago after looking into it:

    In the 93′ Finals, the Bulls hit a record 10 threes in the final games.

    Twenty years later in the 2013 Finals, only in games 1 and 4 did neither team hit at least ten three’s.

  • chingy

    Rondo needs to do it in the Reg season too…sure he turns super saiyan on everyone in the playoffs but this is mostly for the upcoming season as a whole.

    Parker I think one can build an argument. He’s been in multiple BIG moments and has come up huge. But so has CP3. That shot over Tony Allen last season was BIG.

  • Harvey

    Ain’t that Junior Taylor guy JTaylor? Or is that a different dude?

  • pposse

    whats up with this voting poll? how many people voted less than 3?

  • http://soundcloud.com/tray-8 T-Ray

    I did. I’m a big advocate that a healthy D12 is number 3 worthy.

  • Dundler

    Very far behind them

  • LakeShow

    Same dude, less trolling.

  • cbranson05

    if chris paul gets another 1st or 2nd round exit this year, im CERTAIN there will be an excuse that it was his team, coach, situation, and not him. AND he’ll be ranked number 2 next year!

  • Harvey

    He has ways to go…

  • Caboose

    Diesel, DarkSaber, Eboy, Meat hook….

  • LakeShow

    Tarzan / UNFROZENCAVEMANLAWYER, lol…

  • pposse

    im curious to know what the consensus is. I refreshed the page, but it won’t show me the results of the poll. Then I tried to see if it allowed me to vote again, which it didnt and is fine, but i was just trying to find out the results of the poll.. does anyone else have this issue?

  • Harvey

    iamorange4ever, GP23, Cheryl, Jukai

  • http://soundcloud.com/tray-8 T-Ray

    56% said 3
    34% said worse than 3
    10% said better (I know right?)

  • http://soundcloud.com/tray-8 T-Ray

    Yep I forgot them too. Now Eboy goes by “CCT”

  • Dundler

    lol 10% for better. oh dear

  • Caboose

    Oh and the best, SPANNY THE GREEK DUDE.

  • pposse

    thats kind of unfair comparison. One would think that with hand checking allowed, the defender can close in on the offensive player from further out (and rely on the hand checking if they try and go by them). Meanwhile the midrange is the where most good ball players would get the damage done back in those days.

  • http://soundcloud.com/tray-8 T-Ray

    Lol oh dear is right

  • Caboose

    For all the sh!t we have about Kobe, thank you so much for never resorting to that crappy argument.

  • http://soundcloud.com/tray-8 T-Ray

    Doubt it. The majority of his supporters have now said that if he doesn’t AT LEAST get to the WCF his spot won’t be justified.

  • Dundler

    It goes some way to show how the use of three’s has progressed. SA and Miami are ahead of the trend in how they use them, one of the reasons they’re two of the best teams. I’m unsure on what point you’re making with the hand checking…

  • Dundler

    Forgot to mention, that comment I posted earlier about Rose was from Free

  • Dundler

    Esp with the crop of other pg’s on his heels

  • spit hot fiyah

    advanced stats? how about basic mathematics?

  • Harvey

    The original.. Max Airington.
    That dude was so committed to this site, he became a writer for SLAM.

  • pposse

    because hand checking was legal my guess is that it was a lot harder to get up a 3 pt shot back in those days. Defenders were able to play tighter on their man thus not allowing many 3 point attempts to begin with.

    I would say the game changed as opposed to evolved.. back in the hand checking era the midrange jumper was the most efffective tool for an offensive player, but now the 3 pt shot is the most effective tool for the same o player *EDIT because of the rule changes

  • Dundler

    Well perhaps you’re right on it being harder, but it still wasn’t used in the same way it is. I wouldn’t be too sure on that midrange suggestion either. Its the most inefficient shot there is.

  • Dundler

    This also makes me think people might pay attention to what I post. I need to step my game up ha

  • Maniac

    Don’t forget about me! I still read the comment section, but haven’t commented for over a year now lol

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    basic mathematics has become advanced stats because your casual fan can’t do math.

  • AddingVelocityDontTellMe

    that’s gotta be recorded for future generations

  • Bourgozie

    I’m sure playing with the best players on the planet had something to do with that …

  • pposse

    i need some sort of proof that shows the midrange jumper was an inefficient shot in the NBA during the hand checking era…nowadays I see it being inefficient but I don’t see how it was back in the day given the old rules.

  • AddingVelocityDontTellMe

    that’s like saying I’d take reggie miller over clyde drexler because reggie is more big time

  • http://soundcloud.com/tray-8 T-Ray

    That too.

  • AddingVelocityDontTellMe

    too right

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    *edit* Disqus showed this as from SHF, not you. man, how you been? it has been forever.

  • Caboose

    Because I imagined it!

  • AddingVelocityDontTellMe

    hahahah man that’s gotta be a Gross Mathematical Error on his approximation

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    he’s at the peak of his prime right now, with the most talented team and talented coach he’s ever been paired with. it’s now or never to prove his metal. most of us feel that way.

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    if i’m an offensive player, i much rather have hand checking and illegal defense then no hand checking and just defensive 3 seconds.

  • AddingVelocityDontTellMe

    @disqus_oxoGJMLagc:disqus no wrong answer Elite Class. Paul has a greater offensive contriution and is a better scorer you can’t debate that. But there is no stat out there to define how productive of an assist paul makes compared to rondo.

    I’d say rondo has a better playmaking ability which enhances his team compared to paul. Rather paul makes assist of gadget players compared to R squared

  • pposse

    inside of the three pt line yes i agree, outside of the three pt line i do not agree with that.

  • Caboose

    Based off of nothing. You NEVER have anything to back up what you say. So shut up until you actually have evidence for ANYTHING you say.

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    no, in general. defense is much much more advanced, and varied today.

  • AddingVelocityDontTellMe

    bro i tried that yesterday in another with @caboose but its difficult becasue its not like there are consequences to our views so there’s no swaying one another.

  • AddingVelocityDontTellMe

    your saying that based on the terrible fg % of rondo’s which i never disagreed with. but your are not factoring in type of assist which still has to be quantified. I gave you an observation.adding velocity over and out

  • pposse

    okay fine, but im not arguing that at all. I guess the question im trying to find an answer to is…does defense dictate offense or offense dictate defense?

  • Caboose

    It’s an argument without basis. Do you not see this?

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    well…..you can show which offense is better while said player is on the floor……that pretty much does that for you. especially if you have basketball experience and know that a PG (in Paul/Rondo’s situation) is in charge of the entire offense, and thus, more responsible then any other player for the entire product.
    .
    which is, and has always been….in Chris Paul’s favor. —- Despite Rondo playing with 3 HOF’s at the end of their respective primes.
    .
    it’s not really close.

  • AddingVelocityDontTellMe

    you used flaw stats. thats not evidence that adding velocity

  • Dundler

    You just said you don’t agree with that?

  • Caboose

    “type of assist”? What in the f*ck does that mean?

  • Caboose

    Don’t try. Honestly, this dude is my least favorite commenter of all time.

  • AddingVelocityDontTellMe

    your point of the chris paul’s curse please elaborate.

    his teams have always had great shooters and athletic bigs to catch his passes. I never said he’s bad pg but in terms of franchise building you go with rondo. that’s where i use the stance of just based on if you were going to build a franchise first pick who do you take its most standard way.

    here’s a question who do you take:

    1. Penny Hardaway 2. Gary Patyon 3. Chris Paul

  • AddingVelocityDontTellMe

    Least Favourite or Most hated… its a comment board bro we all are adding velocity in some way

  • pposse

    im confused what?

  • LakeShow

    Yeah, something stupid like that…

  • AddingVelocityDontTellMe

    bro i see it i understand your position. here’s a simple question

    who do you take 1. Penny Hardaway, 2. Gary Patyon, 3. CHris Paul

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    both evolve separately. that’s why there are fluctuations and hiccups along the way. if you want to see? — look at Jordan’s first 3 championships offensively, compared to the second set.
    .
    then look at the seasons LAL won in the first half of the decade, compared to San Antonio.
    .
    Or, if you just want a quick reference, look at the finals scores of the finals in 2002, and then look at the scoring in the finals in 2005.

  • AddingVelocityDontTellMe

    that’s what i was saying yesterday. The IMpact of an assist has yet to studied. DOes Paul really set up players or is it a byproduct of the players ability. I think rondo makes nonoffesnvie pieces into offesnive options on the court unlike paul based on how rondo dictates the game

  • Caboose

    Right now? Paul. Those other 2 guys are old.

  • Dundler

    Wait he was no.4 in 09? What was the top five that year?

  • AddingVelocityDontTellMe

    exactly

  • LakeShow

    You see that vid of Gil talking to the guy about having the “worse contract ever.” ?

    Gil, as expected takes the whole thing in stride and is hilarious in his response.

  • Caboose

    Really? So the 3 HOF’s on the Celtics were not offensive options? Is that why the Celtics were more offensively efficient without Rondo this year than with him? I guess maybe the Celts did have offensive options. F*cking moron.

  • AddingVelocityDontTellMe

    in their peaks

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    there is just no basis to say that. Chris Paul has never played on a team like those Celtics…..just think about the year they actually won a title …… Rondo was an afterthought. Literally was not talked about as a long term option at PG until after the season, that’s how much of an afterthought he was. sh*t, he only played 32 mpg in the playoffs that year, which was actually more than he did during the regular season…..

  • Caboose

    Bron, Kobe, Wade, Paul, Dwight

  • LakeShow

    Yeah I have my fair share of weak arguments, but I try to stay clear of “clutch DNA”, “big time player”, and “intangibles” arguments.

  • AddingVelocityDontTellMe

    but that stat doesnt account for the other player’s contributions on the same team to helping the pg get a better rating. The pieces usually on cp3 team have been more suited to his style where as Rondo has never had the luxury of athletic big to run with him or catch any of his penetration kicks for easy dunks. If rondo was on the clippers he’d average probably 3 or four more assist just having DJ and BG. Now can a stat show that no but that’s my conjecture based on watching their style of play

    but i am more interested in the chris paul curse

    ive never heard this view

  • Caboose

    Paul. Easily. And I can give you all manner of stats but it won’t matter because apparently Paul is constantly surrounded by nothing but All-Stars who score on their own.

  • Caboose

    Much appreciated.

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    Gil’s Instagram is a collection of him being awesome. you should check it out. lol, he really just doesn’t care.

  • Dundler

    Thanks, thats weird to me. Woulda thought Dwight would have been 4, but fair I suppose

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    he’s pretty awful. but i had to say that, i mean, it can’t get much more simple then i’m making it for him.

  • AddingVelocityDontTellMe

    hahaha that’s too much thats too much you summed up what adding velocity couldn’t when ppl use to say Kobe had heart compared to Lebron in 03

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    always appreciated.

  • Caboose

    It seems like Dwight always gets short changed on these rankings.

  • Caboose

    It won’t work.

  • Dundler

    Especially then when he was well-liked

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    Ray Allen, Paul Pierce, Kevin Garnett, still in their prime.
    .
    No, Chris Paul never had anything more well suited to succeed at anything then that.
    .
    Please don’t respond if you are going to argue about this point again.

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    i know :(

  • Maniac

    I’m good man. Just watchin’ the madness unfold lol

  • Bmack

    Chris Paul is 0-5 against d rose led teams, he’s never won a matchup against d rose. I don’t see that changing.

  • pposse

    keep in mind this is a projection for what will happen next yr. I am fully expecting you to come back to me in March/April with that tail in between your legs

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    yeah, people are crazy bro, lol

  • http://soundcloud.com/tray-8 T-Ray

    Still a big accomplish however you wanna slice it…

  • C.M.G

    If anybody actually believes chris paul is better than derrick rose i URGE you to watch them play head 2 head this season.

  • Free

    I just feel theres this status quo that too many people feel is undisputable ie KD n Lebron are the only reasonable mvp choices, CP3 is the best point guard, Westbrook will never be better than KD, Howard is a top 5 player b/c he is by far the best center etc etc
    The only thing in the NBA thats is undisputable is that LeBron is the best player. Period.
    Everything else is up for discussion

  • Dundler

    Thank you

  • Free

    PS I would take reggie miller over drexler anyday
    The 98 Pacers was the toughest team the Jordan led Bulls ever faced.
    Its a toss up btw them n the 92 Knicks

  • Dundler

    Misunderstanding of the word velocity is pretty clear here

  • Dundler

    Durant is undisputably 2nd best, there’s really no discussion against this.
    CP3 really only has playoff success against his name, but thats been discussed at length already. I understand what you’re saying, a lot of things are up for discussion. Westbrook v Rose or whos the best perimeter defender or whatever, but some things are not.
    Rose being better than Lebron, if he hadn’t got injured, is one of them.

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    so just heard a bunch of news about 2k14 on next gen…..
    .
    you are going to sh*t your pants. the whole innovations thing is exactly how i thought it would be….completely ported to next gen.

  • Free

    Yea i got stuck in the what if world lol as of right now Durant is no 2 but do u personally think that would be true if Rose fidnt injured?

  • Dundler

    Yeah man, I can’t really see it. Rose is awesome, but Durant is otherworldly on offense, and is getting better and better on D. Its not like Rose couldn’t get there, but Durant is still way above atm

  • Dundler

    I dunno man. Reggie was the more efficient definitely, but Drexler did actually score more and averaged double the rebounds and nearly the same for assists. I can’t say for sure but as far as I know Drexler was also the better defender.

  • King David

    rondo sucks !

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk
  • Free

    Yea drexler is def better all around player but when it comes to who i would feel like would deliver the big wins when needed i would go with Reggie which is ironic bc drexler has a ring but we all know he has the Dream to thank for that lol

  • Dundler

    I wouldn’t let @disqus_j65FuvcSML:disqus and @disqus_oxoGJMLagc:disqus hear you with that talk

  • Kadavour

    Chris Paul disappointed me last playoffs when he had Mike Conley guarding him and he wasn’t threatening to score 30+ a game. He has to be more of a scoring threat more consistently.

  • chingy

    “No warmup outfit for bench players, but the crowds look much better.” They seriously can’t put on some warmups on bench players and keep track which bench player has played in the game? Not buying the game.

    JKJK…can’t wait.

  • Caboose

    …..Link.

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk
  • Kim Hargreaves

    Right now? Chris is still behind Tim Hardaway and Kevin Johnson nevermind those other dudes. He has 2 HOF level seasons stats wise and not much else. I love the guy but hate the high regard he is held in when other players get trashed for less.

  • The Seed

    cbranson05

    4 hours ago

    if chris paul gets another
    1st or 2nd round exit this year, im CERTAIN there will be an excuse that
    it was his team, coach, situation, and not him. AND he’ll be ranked
    number 2 next year!

  • The Seed

    Derrick Rose is the best point guard in the NBA, PERIOD

  • The Seed

    I can’t stand Steve Nash game, but at least he led a team to the Western Conference Finals. WHEN WILL CP3 do it., NEVER. He is so overrated by everyone. He never gets blamed, but is consider a top 5 to 7 talent each year. CP3 has not accomplished anything in the NBA to me yet. Last year, everyone was like they are coming out, they lost. This year everyone will say they are better, they will lose. BOOK IT!!

  • 3Chainz

    Now here’s a guy who never does anything in the post season

  • LakeShow

    Chris Paul scored more, assisted more, stole the ball more, blocked more shots, scored more efficiently, and turned the ball over much less in those head to head matches…

  • Caboose

    I’ve got a midterm tomorrow, I CANNOT be drawn into that…..

  • Caboose

    ANGER AND F*CKING RAGE FOR THOSE WHO BOUGHT THE 360 VERSION.

  • Caboose

    Yeah, BUT DROSE WON! F*CKING IDIOT! RAWRRRRR.

  • Caboose

    Honestly, if the Clips don’t make the WCF or better this year, Paul deserves a sharp drop in the rankings. No more excuses for him. But I expect a Finals appearance with Doc at the helm.

  • LakeShow

    And just to that argument… and let me join you in retard mode: ROSE HAD THE BETTER TEAM / COACH… F*CKING IDIOTS…

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    Now now, could just listen to old man nbk. Or even just remember the last 2 generations of consoles….lol

  • Caboose

    Or I’m 21, in college, impatient, and bored. You knew I would be getting it.

  • AddingVelocityDontTellMe

    man i finally caboose you see it the way i do even though it’s difficult to side with the edward scissor hands of the board

  • Caboose

    Edward Scissor Hands of the board?

  • AddingVelocityDontTellMe

    bro what did you want to know about faried and the fan base

  • Caboose

    Edward Scissor Hands…I think you called me a misunderstood genius. I’ll take it.

  • AddingVelocityDontTellMe

    bro your 21 and if my guess is correct at a top 20 undergraduate institution… your smart but at the same time don’t be puppetted because even the most intelligent of a society sometimes fall prey to desensitization and forgetting the HISTORY and origin of ideas that made up that society

    if you believe that homosexual marriages is a relevant social issue then you havent been the hood you haven’t seen where your basketball role models come from. Money is being wasted and time and media are being wasted on the most frivolous nonutility social issue. We still need to reconstruct a fair and equal society between races.

  • Caboose

    It’s not fair to focus all attention on ONE issue at a time in neglect of others. That’d be like a charity only giving aid to deaf people or researchers looking only at cancer. Oh, you have AIDS? Sorry, this year is cancer research year, no help for you.

    We can address multiple different issues as a society, so yes, I find the inequality of homosexual rights arguably one of the most pertinent of today.

  • AddingVelocityDontTellMe

    i never said we should focus on just one issue. Equality amongst races requires health reformation, military reformation, financial reformations, ideological changes. why does marriage need to be legalized… i guess for financial benefit? or medical tx?

  • Caboose

    You’re focusing solely on racial equality, and that that is the ultimate goal we’re striving for. Frankly, you’re being narrow minded, under the pretext of being open minded.

  • http://triplejunearthed.com/dacre Dacre

    You would you pick if it was drexler defending miller?…. exactly.

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    With diablo and GTA out? You coulda been patient or at least expected just an updated version: and still, you got the $10 upgrade option

  • AddingVelocityDontTellMe

    but you cant say the two are equal look at the impact, gays have liberty of hiding their stigma, however darker ppl cant hide their skin so they more prone to discrimination

  • Caboose

    That’s splitting hairs. And completely unethical.

  • AddingVelocityDontTellMe

    splitting hairs bro when was the last time you heard a police officer accidentally shooting a homosexual, all the darker skin youths being shot for their skin color due to oppressive stereotypes associated with their skin. kkk cant find a gay but can easily see a skin

  • Caboose

    Officers shooting based on skin color, kids committing suicide based on sexual orientation. It’s impossible to put one problem over the other without being insensitive.

  • AddingVelocityDontTellMe

    life taken from own hands versus someone else. i don’t agree with that oversimplication.

    Does being gay impact one’s job opportunities, living opportunities i mean this is basic sociology in america or any african american studies can provide evidence that minorities get it harsher. Abc has done specials like this on 20 20. However, being gay has shown in medical literature to increase depression (etiology multifactorial), increase in Cardiovascular disease, and other issues which is mostly discussed in context of med professional patient relationships i was trying to look for the article on google to cite it.

    I mean homosexuality is among all races and can be disguised if necessities are taken away or abuse present. You don’t have to be outwardly gay. Regardless of the biological argument

    But if you have dark skin you are put at a disadvantage and disenfrnachised life here in the US particularly.

  • Caboose

    You sir, are an a$$hole.

  • AddingVelocityDontTellMe

    if you are from berkley then look up robert reich.

  • Caboose

    I know him, I’ve seen him on campus.

  • AddingVelocityDontTellMe

    bruh mayne i have alumni relations with berkley but i personally don’t agree ever that one should be one either side of a spectrum (left or right) but rather in the middle for that’s where truth usually lies.

    please don’t take offense if you or any of your relatives are homosexual. I am more concerned with establishing human equality not on human action equality

  • Caboose

    BS you have alumni relations. And what the hell do you mean “human action equality?”

  • AddingVelocityDontTellMe

    i didnt know you had an exam tomorrow. Study up and choalie

  • AddingVelocityDontTellMe

    schwuff snarf schwuff snarff

  • AddingVelocityDontTellMe

    bro you’d be surprised. actually i dont have anymore i had. but im not here to present my CV.

    Human Action equality is in the title.

  • Shifty

    Terrible fg%? He has one of the highest FG percentages for a PG and the highest for gaurds under 6’3 or something.

  • Shifty

    Playing with Rondo they did achieve high FG percentages, I think it may have been the All Star game before Ray Allen left, up unitl then all three players, Ray Ray, PP34 and the big ticket were all had a fg% of either above 50 or close, i think Ray Ray was hitting 47%fg and 41% from 3. So I believe that Rondo was giving them good looks, allowing for these high fg% as KG was a jump shooter, ray allen jump shooter and pretty much same with PP34.

  • AddingVelocityDontTellMe

    really? ive heard that but ive never seen stats to verify that but when i was comparing pgs with rondo his fg was lower.

  • AddingVelocityDontTellMe

    not have.. had. the phrase speaks for itself.

  • Dundler

    Unfortunately, not a one on one game

  • Dundler

    Ha! best of luck man

  • Dundler

    Me and a friend were getting PS3 version, he persuaded to wait. Smart guy.

  • Shifty

    Last season he had the fourth higest FG% for PG’s who played significant playing time, Tony Parkersteve nash and Jose Calderon were better.

  • AddingVelocityDontTellMe

    What about cp3? Maybe I was looking at 2011 2012

  • Shifty

    Eboy………………memories flooding back

  • Shifty

    Chris paul was wait for it 0.03 % below so pretty much same

  • pposse

    no he didnt. completely false. thats a foolish statement take that back. Paul got dominated in those matchups.

  • Shifty

    They made the same amount of fg’s had the same amount of attempts, but chris paul gets to the line twice the amount of rondo and shoots a high percentage at the line.

  • AddingVelocityDontTellMe

    cool

  • AddingVelocityDontTellMe

    didnt look carefully enough whrn posting stats on the thread

  • Guitoz

    Good ranking for the regular season. For an overall ranking, imo Kobe and TP deserve to be ranked higher than CP3, who has never proven anything in the playoffs.

  • Caboose

    TS% and eFG% are much better measures for scoring efficiency, and Paul is much much better in that regard.

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  • pposse

    it was true when in 2008 and 2009 when Rose was a rookie and Paul was at the peak of his career, okay!? thats such a blanket statement anyways. In regards to the actual game..Rose had more points and assists in the last meeting, and more points and equal asissts in the meeting before that.

    In fact, thats an ignorant statement. When people talk about head to head matchups its implied they are talking about the stats per EACH (edit) game not total. Clearly that is skewed from Rose dropping 4 points in his first ever matchup. Stop trying to point out a technicality in a faulty statement that he made to begin with. That is complete ignorance.

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    it’s just true…..lol, it’s a factual statement. you could say it’s irrelevant (which it is), but it isn’t wrong. it’s a fact.

  • pposse

    that fact is complete nonsense! Lake still should take that whole statement back! whatever though, freakin technicalities

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    maybe just get over it? why are you getting so worked up about a factual statement? saying Chris Paul is 0-5 against Rose is just as irrelevant, but you didn’t get all upset….why is that?
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    oh, nevermind.

  • pposse

    lol. Cause he put in there ‘I dont see that changing’ which i agree with. And I’m sorry going 0-5 against someone is relevant in my mind.

    I posed this as a question before but i’ll create a scenario…say everyone in the world says im the best pg but you NBK beat me all 5 times we played heads up, and literally you got better every time we matched up..there is definately a doubt in my mind as being better than you. That is normal human behavior imo. I never heard cp3 even buy into the hype of him being the best pg bc how can he? I dont even know if he relies on the media for this boost or he just plays along bc the praise can’t hurt him in any way.

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  • Feez_22

    I seriously don’t know what the problem is here on this board.

    How can chris paul be overrated when he just led a CLIPPERS team to 56 wins with freaking vinny as the head coach? How is that possible? Have you guys seen how vinny coaches? Bulls fans should especially be ashamed if they are saying this. Bulls fans have first hand experience on how crappy vinny is yet a player in cp3 that leads a team coached by that same dude to 56 wins is overrated???

    I won’t bring advanced stats into this. I really don’t need to. I will just bring in the coaches rondo, pop and cp3 played for last year.

    Parker – Pop
    Rondo – Doc
    Paul – Vinny

    Anyone see the odd man out here? My point here is that to win the big one or get far with a PG led team, you definitely need talent. However, you also need a good head coach. A head coach that either has great offensive or defensive genius about him whom knows how to get the best out of the team.

    Chris paul had that guy in 2008 with byron scott. I won’t really go into hypotheticals or w/e but a hornets team who by all accounts overachieved in 08 took the defending champ spurs to 7 games (were up 3-2 as well). That team was tough and it took for a horry shot to dwest’s back (injuring his back) for the spurs to get the advantage (anyone remember that?).

    The next yr, the hornets were primed to contend again. Then chandler got injured. That hornets team wasn’t supremely talented to begin with and for tyson to get injured was tough for them. Come playoff time, the nuggets absolutely OUTCLASSED the hornets in every way possible. They blitzed paul and dwest and it was over.

    09-10 = cp3 out with meniscus tear to end the season
    10-11 = new coach, ariza/bellinelli were his main perimeter guys and dwest tore his acl a month before the playoffs i believe. Lost year although chris did do well v the lakers in the playoffs.

    That hornet stint is a “what could have been” thing but to knock chris for that run is ridiculous. Utterly ridiculous indeed since he was the #1 pg in the nba at that time and by the time they could seriously contend, injuries/trades got in their way.

    CP3 doesn’t have any excuses anymore because he now has doc rivers, good (and rising) talent around him and is himself in his prime (put up or shut up). However, don’t give me the bs about his hornets and early clips. Hornets relatively overachieved and the clippers were coached by freaking vinny (automatic over achieve).

    If you watch the clips last yr, you’d know that team wouldn’t be anything without chris. The spurs can still function without tony because that system can still win them games (not to mention duncan had a resurgence year). Parker played 66 games and the spurs still won 58 games. The celtics of last yr were better without rondo in the reg season. Now, if anyone has some adv stat to combat what i’ve said then go ahead. It’s clear to me that chris has more of an impact on his team than rondo/parker and it isn’t hard to see.

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    simple, NBA basketball is about an 82 game season + playoffs. not individual match ups. some guys match up worse against one guy, then they do everyone else.
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    and we aren’t Chris Paul, so assuming his POV is pretty fruitless. but in my personal experience? no, losing to Rose would not change my confidence in myself.

  • Najee Fareed

    he has not advanced his team to the conference finals ever, ole boy aint got nowhere when it counts

  • danpowers

    seems like i cant leave slamonline alone for 2 f*ckin days. he simply is the best pg in the game and will finish next season as, exactly, the best point guard in the game.

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