Wednesday, October 19th, 2011 at 12:05 pm  |  148 responses

Top 50: Deron Williams, no. 10

The definitive ranking of the NBA’s best players.

by Doobie Okon

For the better part of a decade now, the LeBron-Kobe debate has showered the sports world. Sure, it’s a good one, the sexy argument if you will…but it will be long—probably not until both players retire—before a clear winner will be generally accepted by the public if at all.

As of right now, it’s completely up in the air. Both sides have major haters, major lovers and rarely any devotee in the middle of the pack. Kobe has the hardware and his fourth quarters, LeBron’s got his talents. Even I have shuffled my vote back and forth a few times in recent years. The point is—nobody really knows…

But what I do know is that the LBJ-KB24 debate has perhaps overshadowed a much more intriguing battle—that of best point guard alive—with Deron Williams and Chris Paul in the corners. While this personal rivalry also may not have a clear victor at the present moment, it’s a much better debate if you think about it.

LeBron and Kobe play different positions and they’re gunning for best player in the world, so more needs to be taken into account when comparing them. And what makes it so difficult is that Kobe has Bron by six seasons, making it irrelevant to stack up their numbers and personal accomplishments side by side right now.

Over in the heated PG dispute, Deron Williams has all of one Draft selection on Chris Paul. Since DWill and CP3 were selected third and fourth, respectively, in the 2005 Draft, they’ve shared quite the similar journey in their young careers. You’d think that since they play the same position and share the same experience, it’d be much easier to see who the better player is when comparing their stats and awards so far.

Nope.

Seriously, take a look at this ride:

—Utah and New Orleans had the two worst records in the West in ‘04-05 before drafting their premier point guards.

—In their rookie years, their teams finished 9th and 10th, both falling short of the postseason. Although CP3 did cash in on Rookie of the Year honors.

—In their sophomore efforts, ‘06-07, Williams’ Jazz finished fourth in the West with a 51-31 record after Deron started 80 games for coach Sloan. The Hornets again finished 10th while Chris Paul sat at home and watched his counterpart lead Utah to the Western Conference Finals. DWill greatly improved his scoring from the regular season once the lights of the Playoffs shined.

—2007-08: New Orleans finished second while Utah clinched the fourth spot and both squads lost tough second-round battles that year as DWill suffered from a poor first two games against the Lakers while Paul couldn’t complete the seven-game victory at home against the Spurs.

—Strangely enough, the following season, both point guards’ teams regressed and finished one game apart, good for the last two spots in the Playoffs. Both lost underwhelming five-game series in the opening round, even though Williams and Paul played pretty well, especially the Jazz guard who averaged over 20/10 for the series.

—Williams really exploded in the ‘09-10 postseason, though. The Hornets ended the year with an abysmal 37-45 record, although to CP3′s credit, he only played in 45 games that year due to injury. But DWill’s Jazz won 50 games for the third time in his first five years to grab the fifth seed.

Deron absolutely owned the Nuggets in a six-game first-round victory. The former Illini star averaged 25.8 points on 49.4 percent shooting (it was actually 28.2 ppg before a 14-point output in Game 6). Even more amazing, Williams recorded double-digit assists in every game.

In the process, DWill recorded two 30-point, 10-assist games in the series to become the second Jazz player to accomplish the feat. John Stockton also did it twice—in his entire career. Deron also became the first NBA player ever to have five straight 20/10 performances in the postseason.

Except for one weak shooting effort against the Lakers, Williams played well again even though his team was swept away by the eventual champions.

—Last season, of course, to even the balance of power between the two star PGs, CP3 played in the postseason and absolutely shined in a first-round loss to the Lakers (who beat Utah the year prior, obviously), while Williams wasn’t able to participate in the NBA’s second season. He, too, had a legitimate excuse in that he just happened to be traded to the Newark Nets who boasted a wonderful 17-40 mark at the time. Meanwhile, the Jazz finished 8-16 without their star to miss the Playoffs for the first time since Deron’s rookie year…I know Utah thought they wouldn’t have been able to extend him had Deron remained in Salt Lake City…nevertheless though—probably should’ve attempted to hold on to their leader.

So there you have it. Pretty similar ride indeed. But when you stack up their numbers, CP3 actually does edge out DWill in almost every category. But most of their stats are quite similar, except for steals which Paul excels at due to his incredible speed.

Deron just does not have speed. Talent-wise, CP3 probably has Williams by a mile. You can’t deny that. So why do many experts proclaim Mr. Williams to be the greatest point guard the NBA has to offer? Results. Leadership.

DWill led his Fighting Illini to the 2005 NCAA Championship game. He led the Jazz to 50 wins three times and the postseason every year except his debut. And I’m certain if he had stayed in Utah (and remained healthy) last year, they would have once again grabbed a Playoff spot.

He’s a true floor general. In his short career with Utah, Deron often drew comparisons to his Hall of Fame predecessor, John Stockton, but Williams actually called many more plays for coach Jerry Sloan than Stockton ever did. He’s been running basketball offenses his way since high school, and clearly all of his coaches have always trusted him with their offensive schemes.

While his leadership was never in question, Williams’ collegiate numbers left something to be desired, especially his shooting percentages. His assists and points have both made a huge jump from college to the NBA, but it’s the improvement in his shooting across the board that has really impressed. Deron’s gone from shooting around 42 percent from the field and 65 percent from the free-throw line in college to now posting a career 46.3 percent clip and over 80 percent from the stripe.

And what Deron lacks in sheer Iverson-esque athleticism—which CP3 embodies—he makes up for with his massive size. Seriously, dude’s a running back…running an NBA team. Once a star wrestler back in middle school, he now boasts a 6-3, 209-pound frame. DWill’s body is like a bull when driving through the paint and also naturally improves his defense on other smaller point guards.

And now, the thick-bodied point guard is at the helm in New Jersey.

Once 2012 begins though, and the Nets finally make their move, DWill will be the biggest thing in Brooklyn since Jay-Z. Oh wait, no. Jigga will steal that limelight occasionally, not that he shouldn’t. But the Nets already know what they have. Due to his nagging wrist injury, Williams only played in 12 games for NJ after the trade, but in that span he averaged nearly 13 assists while the Nets scored 101.9 ppg compared to 92.9 points the rest of the season. A small sample size for sure, but eye-popping nonetheless.

Perhaps the country really took note of Deron Williams as a top image in the NBA this past July when he became the first NBA star to sign on to play overseas. Once Turkey got hold of Williams, it was like Moses leading a mass exodus. Now well over 60 players are going overseas, including Kobe, while other stars like Kevin Durant, Amar’e Stoudemire, Dwight Howard, Blake Griffin, Rudy Gay, etc. have since expressed interest in jetting across the Atlantic.

Deron should dominate over in EurAsia, and we’ll certainly have to keep a watch on the wrist.

But once he comes back, and the NBA returns, DWill will be right back proving why he should be labeled the best point guard in the NBA, not just one of the best. It’s a shame Chris Paul and Deron Williams haven’t played each other in postseason yet, although they might end up Big Apple enemies if the Knicks do indeed link up their own dream team with Amar’e, Melo and CP3.

Deron has some talent surrounding him currently in Jersey, but it’s nothing to write home about. When he finally gets home, he has quite the difficult task ahead of him turning that team into an Eastern powerhouse. But if I’m starting my basketball team, I’m building around a premier big man or point guard… and when that thought comes to mind… I instantly think Deron Williams. Always have.

This is not an argument against Chris Paul. He’s obviously everything you want in a basketball player, let alone a point guard. But Deron, you could say, with less talent and speed is right up there. This shouldn’t be a debate of flaws, because honestly, neither have too many in their games. Both of their styles are perfect for a dishing point guard who, at times, is relied on to score a lot as well. Both should be celebrated for their unique gifts, differing styles and the most similar of journeys so far.

Let THIS debate reign on.

SLAMonline Top 50 Players 2011
Rank Player Team Position Pos. Rank
50 Luol Deng Bulls SF 8
49 Andrew Bogut Bucks C 7
48 Ray Allen Celtics SG 9
47 Marc Gasol Grizzlies C 6
46 David West Hornets PF 15
45 Kevin Martin Rockets SG 8
44 Andrew Bynum Lakers C 5
43 Brandon Jennings Bucks PG 11
42 Lamar Odom Lakers PF 14
41 Gerald Wallace Blazers SF 7
40 Brook Lopez Nets C 4
39 Joakim Noah Bulls C 3
38 Carlos Boozer Bulls PF 13
37 Kevin Garnett Celtics PF 12
36 Eric Gordon Clippers SG 7
35 Tony Parker Spurs PG 10
34 Andre Iguodala 76ers SG 6
33 Al Jefferson Jazz PF 11
32 Al Horford Hawks C 2
31 Stephen Curry Warriors PG 9
30 Tim Duncan Spurs PF 10
29 Josh Smith Hawks PF 9
28 Manu Ginobili Spurs SG 5
27 Tyreke Evans Kings PG 8
26 Rudy Gay Grizzlies SF 6
25 John Wall Wizards PG 7
24 Danny Granger Pacers SF 5
23 Monta Ellis Warriors SG 4
22 Joe Johnson Hawks SG 3
21 Paul Pierce Celtics SF 4
20 Steve Nash Suns PG 6
19 Zach Randolph Grizzlies PF 8
18 LaMarcus Aldridge Blazers PF 7
17 Chris Bosh Heat PF 6
16 Kevin Love TWolves PF 5
15 Rajon Rondo Celtics PG 5
14 Blake Griffin Clippers PF 4
13 Pau Gasol Lakers PF 3
12 Russell Westbrook Thunder PG 4
11 Amar’e Stoudemire Knicks PF 2
10 Deron Williams Nets PG 3

Notes
• Rankings are based solely on projected ’11-12 performance.
• Contributors to this list include: Maurice Bobb, Shannon Booher, David Cassilo, Bryan Crawford, Sandy Dover, Adam Figman, Jon Jaques, Eldon Khorshidi, Ryne Nelson, Doobie Okon, Ben Osborne, Quinn Peterson, Dave Schnur, Abe Schwadron, Dan Shapiro, Irv Soonachan, Todd Spehr, Tzvi Twersky, Yaron Weitzman, DeMarco Williams and Ben York.
• Want more of the SLAMonline Top 50? Check out the archive.

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  • http://slamonline.com LakeShow

    Melo better than Derron.. hard for me to say. Same with D-Rose.. I dunno bout this. I’d take him over D-Rose on some teams but on others I would rather have D-Rose.(see Bulls)

  • BAWSE

    I have no issues with this. D Will is a top 10 player and definitely a Difference maker. Not better than CP3 but that isnt a bad thing.

  • http://stapledesign.com Spaceship Jay

    So is DRose going to be rated over CP3? Rose may the more exiting player to watch, but rating anyone over Paul’s basketball intelligence (as a pg) is tough. Would the Heat have been beaten if Chris and Roses teams had been switched?

  • http://stapledesign.com Spaceship Jay

    *exciting

  • http://www.gil1906.com Pve_2

    Intriguing points in this comparison. The only thing not considered is that Deron had more help in Utah, in my opinion. Back when Okur was still functioning and Boozer was around that was a decent if not good front-court, an OK Kirilenko on the wing, solid role-players, and Sloan on the sideline. Paul made something out of nothing. Literally. Granted he’s had less success play-off wise, but while Deron took the reins and made the team thrive, Paul made the reins AND made the team thrive.

  • matt

    Jennings should not be on this list. Most overrated player in the NBA. Dude scores 55 and ppl act like he’s God. He has such poor shot selection and his distributing skills leave a lot to be desired. I’d take Kyle Lowry over him.

  • chingy

    D Rose would like to have a word with you.

  • http://redoftoothandclaw.ca/ niQ

    Looks good. You always know what to expect from Deron Williams.

  • http://Slamonline.com nbk

    Good work Doobie. If Deron didn’t get hurt last season it would make no sense to have Melodramatic above him, but I’m going to pretend the injury is why y’all have it how you do.

  • NJ4Life

    Absolutely no way in H3LL Melo is better than DWill. Scoring? Yes. But nothing else.

  • http://slamonline.com Allenp

    Boozer has always been the same player.
    David West with rebounding.
    Paul is better. But, Deron has had some beastly playoffs series.

  • http://Slamonline.com Caboose

    Well, my prediction for Slam’s rankings is 2/2 so far. Dirk is next. That said, I personally think this is too low for Deron, I’d put him higher than Melo and Dirk, maybe more.

  • http://www.slamonline.com UNFROZEN CAVEMAN LAWYER

    Deron also became the first NBA player ever to have five straight 20/10 performances in the postseason………………….. CRAZY. DERON IS A MUCH BETTER SCORER THAN CHRIS. ID TAKE DERON EVERY TIME.

  • http://tempdog1 Tempest

    Chris Paul’s better

  • ripslam

    I want to say he’s a top-10 player, but it seems wrong to put him above Amar’e, Rondo, Blake, etc. after a subpar season.

  • King David

    needs to be higher, best point guard in the league hands down. LOOK AT THAT SIZE!!!!!!!

  • http://slamonline.com nbk

    20-10-4 is not subpar. His shooting % was, slightly, but he did have wrist issues.

  • http://cnbc.com JTaylor21

    Yes, DWill’s better than Melo. Now between him and Rose, that’s a much tougher choice. Rose is exactly the kind of PG a team like Chicago needs (scoring) while DWill is the perfect PG for a team that has a few scoring threats around him. Now who’s better at this very moment? Rose based on his superb RS and the fact that he carried the Bulls to the top seed while DWill was at home.

  • Frank

    CP3 higher on the list*

  • http://www.bulls.com Enigmatic

    I said myself I thought Rose had kinda edged out Williams for second best PG honors.
    Mostly because Williams really, really struggled in their two meetings last year.
    Dude just didn’t seem the same, but he has a chance to get back in the top 2 again when the season starts, no doubt.
    Even with MVP trophy in hand though, I really can’t say Rose is the best PG in L as long as Chris Paul’s around, and a not 100% CP3 still managed to put up 16, 10, 4 and 2.4 steals per last year.
    Now that’s gangsta.

  • bigrose174

    If D-Will was on Chicago he would score,not as much as Rose did, but then again he wouldn’t have to because he’s much better at setting up his teammates. I mean if u look at the bulls, have of those guys came from Utah anyway! lol plus Rose has some better pieces in chicago(aside from the utah players) than D-Will had in Utah. ppl tend to get lost in how loud Rose’s games is. D-Will > Rose

  • bigrose174

    *half

  • shaolin23

    I wonder if the Besiktas experience will end up having a positive/negative impact on his game. So far (from what I’ve heard) he hasn’t posted any outstanding stats, but regardless still a top PG in the league today.

  • jarrett

    SLAM i know i’ve been hard on yall in the comment section because of the Kevin Love thing… but u guys are doing an awesome job compared to ESPN. Those fools over there got Blake Griffin in the top ten!!

  • http://slamonline.com nbk

    Euroleague is not typically a league for a guy to post big stats. Especially a PG. The system there is so different. Williams is more likely to come back with a different POV on how to get certain things inside of an offense then to have changed, improved, or depreciated any major part of his game.

  • http://www.bulls.com Enigmatic

    No, Williams would HAVE to score in bunches on the Bulls for them to be successfull, just like Rose has to.
    People think Rose doesn’t look to set his teammates up, but trust when I tell you he could’ve averaged 9 or 10 assists per last year if his teammates could knock down shots more consistently.

  • seun

    Ok right now i’m going to argue that d-will is the best point in the nba and before anyone dismisses my comments pleace read my argument. For one deron williams was the only point guard in the league to average 20 points and 10 assits, last time i checked if your the only point guard in the whole league to average 20 ponits and 10 assits then you should be the best point guard in the nba. You say stats dont matter and that deron williams cant lad a team to the playoffs, well i say that the utah jazz were a playoff team beforehe got traded to to the nets; one of the worst teams in league. a team ,in which only lebron and wade could have taken the nets to the playoffs. You say being an eight seeded team isn’t enough well i say the reason the jazz where an eight seeded team was because they lost boozer so deron williams had to create new chemistry with al jefferson and jerry sloan retired in the middle of the season; whether or not the reason jerry sloan left had to do with dwill doesn’t matter because we should give him the benefit of the doubt.

  • bigrose174

    So some of the same players that were playing with Williams in Utah all of a sudden can’t knock down shots the whole season? Maybe thats a matter of where and when Rose is getting them the ball. Meanwhile Williams is averaging like 13 assist a game with Jersey and if you watched the jersey games(which i’m sure many didn’t) he would have been getting 20 assists Easy if they would be hitting shot

  • http://slamonline.com/ Ryne Nelson

    Thanks Jarrett… and Doobie put in WORK on this piece. Couldn’tve said it better.

  • http://slamonline.com nbk

    Kyle Korver does knock down shots. Boozer is Rose’s main guy. Williams is also a much better passer then Rose. Not nearly the scorer though, especially in a 1 on 1 situation. Williams is more of a system PG, while Rose is more of an isolation PG. Williams just averaged 12.8APG in NEW JERSEY, to think Rose or any PG not named Nash or Paul can do that is kinda crazy. imo

  • http://www.bulls.com Enigmatic

    Williams never had to play with Keith Bogans.

  • manu

    dirk better be #1…espn already f***** it up u guys better not

  • http://www.bulls.com Enigmatic

    Nah, I’ma just stop cause I don’t wanna come off as a Deron Williams hater.
    Trust, I been a fan of dude since his freshman year in Urbana-Champaign when probably the only other person on here who knew who he was is Ryne Nelson.

  • jarrett

    Ryan Nelson… i swear imma lose it if u guys dare to put Dwight Howard over Kobe or Dwade… Dwights the best C, but that doesnt automatically make him top 3. i think the top 10 should look something like this:
    10. Deron Williams
    9. Melo
    8. Paul
    7. Rose
    6. Dirk
    5. Dwight
    4. Durant
    3. Kobe
    2. Wade
    1. Lebron

  • http://slamonline.com nbk

    I like how Dirk is getting credit like he won the title by himself. Dude would not have gotten outta the second round were it not for Tyson Chandler, Jason Kidd, and Shawn Marion. Dirk is going to come in between 6-9, right where he should.

  • jdizzle

    The top ten should be like this:
    10. Deron Williams
    9. Melo
    8. Paul
    7. Rose
    6. Bryant
    5. Durant
    4. Nowitzki
    3. Wade
    2. Howard
    1. Lebron

    But Slam loves Kobe and Rose so they will no doubt be in the top 5.

  • http://slamonline.com Andrew woods

    Williams is a beast. You have to appreciate how he has hsas mastered the fundamentals of the game.

  • Doobie

    aw schucks, ryne.

    and jdizzle, sorry dude, youre out your mind if you think kobe is out of the top 5. it aint just slam who loves him, its mostly still everyone.

  • http://www.slamonline.com spit hot fiyah

    i wonder if he is even top 10 in the turkish league so far

  • http://www.bulls.com Enigmatic

    Co-sign nbk. Personally, I don’t even have Dirk as my top PF. I still think that’s Pau.
    But cause Dirk won a title everyone wants to propel him to number one overall?
    What in the name of Darksaber is that???

  • http://nba.com GP23

    I still think Nash is better than Deron at the point… having said that, these rankings are based on “next seasons success” and Deron will probably edge out Nash next season. Steve Nash should of been higher than Westbrook however.

  • marc

    i sought of agree with jdizzle’s list but they goin to put kobe at 7 and rose at 6 watch. And im a kobe fan. lol. And imo it gets kind of hard who to say is the better pg when it gets down to the nitty gritty. Chris Paul is the best pg in the league but in certain situations you might need a DRose. Thats the same way i feel about Dwill and Drose. I think Dwill is overall the better pg but drose shined in Chicago. its hard

  • http://cnbc.com JTaylor21

    DHow deserves to be above KD/Dirk/Kobe. Despite the lack of talent at the center position, the guy is a dominant two-way player.

  • http://slamonline.com nbk

    I also don’t see why people have Kevin Durant as a top 5 player. Too me, LeBron, Wade, Dwight, CP, are the clear cut top 4. With Bryant, Rose, and Durant being able to lay claim to the next 3 spots. But I can’t see how you can have Durant over Bryant without having him behind Rose, or Durant infront of Rose without putting him behind Bryant. If that makes sense.

  • http://slamonline.com Allenp

    I think Deron is a better isolation scorer than any other point guard in the league. Who effs with his crossover and pull up? And he gets to the rack if you push up too much.
    Rose is an athletic marvel, but he’s not the breakdown artist that Deron is. And he has the fewest physical gifts of any of the top point guards right now, which people rarely discuss.
    Paul is a more effective player, but do think Deron gets the edge as a scorer. Paul seems to get more out of less which is why I give him the edge.

  • http://slamonline.com Allenp

    Nash hasn’t been better than Deron or Paul for at least three seasons. At least.

  • http://nba.com GP23

    So nobody on here would have Kobe 2nd behind LeBron, except me???

  • http://slamonline.com nbk

    Allen, Deron makes more space then Rose. But he doesn’t get to the rack like Rose does. Plus we all know you are putting yourself in a much higher % situation to score if you get in the key. Which is why I say Rose is a better isolation scorer, because no one player is going to keep that kid outta the paint

  • Ben Ireland

    9. Melo
    8. Nowitski
    7. Paul
    6. Rose
    5. Howard
    4. Durant
    3. Kobe
    2. Wade
    1. Lebron

  • http://www.novalight-imaging.com novamike

    D’Will made one of the most amazing plays I’ve ever seen after coming to Nets this season. He grabbed a board at the defensive ended, went the length of the court almost to the baseline, basically bowling over two defenders. Just shy of the baseline, he leapt into the air turned his body 90 degrees to the right and fired a perfect pass to Lopez through the arms of two more defenders, and Lopez put it in for an easy layup.

    Words do not do this play justice. You really had to see it to believe it, and even then you might not have believed what you’d just seen. It was vintage Oscar Robertson. The announcers were actually laughing at how easy Williams made such an incredible series of moves look.

    I like Williams over Paul mainly for his size, but of course I’d take either in a blind minute. Both are easy top-10 picks.

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