Wednesday, October 19th, 2011 at 12:05 pm  |  148 responses

Top 50: Deron Williams, no. 10

The definitive ranking of the NBA’s best players.

by Doobie Okon

For the better part of a decade now, the LeBron-Kobe debate has showered the sports world. Sure, it’s a good one, the sexy argument if you will…but it will be long—probably not until both players retire—before a clear winner will be generally accepted by the public if at all.

As of right now, it’s completely up in the air. Both sides have major haters, major lovers and rarely any devotee in the middle of the pack. Kobe has the hardware and his fourth quarters, LeBron’s got his talents. Even I have shuffled my vote back and forth a few times in recent years. The point is—nobody really knows…

But what I do know is that the LBJ-KB24 debate has perhaps overshadowed a much more intriguing battle—that of best point guard alive—with Deron Williams and Chris Paul in the corners. While this personal rivalry also may not have a clear victor at the present moment, it’s a much better debate if you think about it.

LeBron and Kobe play different positions and they’re gunning for best player in the world, so more needs to be taken into account when comparing them. And what makes it so difficult is that Kobe has Bron by six seasons, making it irrelevant to stack up their numbers and personal accomplishments side by side right now.

Over in the heated PG dispute, Deron Williams has all of one Draft selection on Chris Paul. Since DWill and CP3 were selected third and fourth, respectively, in the 2005 Draft, they’ve shared quite the similar journey in their young careers. You’d think that since they play the same position and share the same experience, it’d be much easier to see who the better player is when comparing their stats and awards so far.

Nope.

Seriously, take a look at this ride:

—Utah and New Orleans had the two worst records in the West in ‘04-05 before drafting their premier point guards.

—In their rookie years, their teams finished 9th and 10th, both falling short of the postseason. Although CP3 did cash in on Rookie of the Year honors.

—In their sophomore efforts, ‘06-07, Williams’ Jazz finished fourth in the West with a 51-31 record after Deron started 80 games for coach Sloan. The Hornets again finished 10th while Chris Paul sat at home and watched his counterpart lead Utah to the Western Conference Finals. DWill greatly improved his scoring from the regular season once the lights of the Playoffs shined.

—2007-08: New Orleans finished second while Utah clinched the fourth spot and both squads lost tough second-round battles that year as DWill suffered from a poor first two games against the Lakers while Paul couldn’t complete the seven-game victory at home against the Spurs.

—Strangely enough, the following season, both point guards’ teams regressed and finished one game apart, good for the last two spots in the Playoffs. Both lost underwhelming five-game series in the opening round, even though Williams and Paul played pretty well, especially the Jazz guard who averaged over 20/10 for the series.

—Williams really exploded in the ‘09-10 postseason, though. The Hornets ended the year with an abysmal 37-45 record, although to CP3′s credit, he only played in 45 games that year due to injury. But DWill’s Jazz won 50 games for the third time in his first five years to grab the fifth seed.

Deron absolutely owned the Nuggets in a six-game first-round victory. The former Illini star averaged 25.8 points on 49.4 percent shooting (it was actually 28.2 ppg before a 14-point output in Game 6). Even more amazing, Williams recorded double-digit assists in every game.

In the process, DWill recorded two 30-point, 10-assist games in the series to become the second Jazz player to accomplish the feat. John Stockton also did it twice—in his entire career. Deron also became the first NBA player ever to have five straight 20/10 performances in the postseason.

Except for one weak shooting effort against the Lakers, Williams played well again even though his team was swept away by the eventual champions.

—Last season, of course, to even the balance of power between the two star PGs, CP3 played in the postseason and absolutely shined in a first-round loss to the Lakers (who beat Utah the year prior, obviously), while Williams wasn’t able to participate in the NBA’s second season. He, too, had a legitimate excuse in that he just happened to be traded to the Newark Nets who boasted a wonderful 17-40 mark at the time. Meanwhile, the Jazz finished 8-16 without their star to miss the Playoffs for the first time since Deron’s rookie year…I know Utah thought they wouldn’t have been able to extend him had Deron remained in Salt Lake City…nevertheless though—probably should’ve attempted to hold on to their leader.

So there you have it. Pretty similar ride indeed. But when you stack up their numbers, CP3 actually does edge out DWill in almost every category. But most of their stats are quite similar, except for steals which Paul excels at due to his incredible speed.

Deron just does not have speed. Talent-wise, CP3 probably has Williams by a mile. You can’t deny that. So why do many experts proclaim Mr. Williams to be the greatest point guard the NBA has to offer? Results. Leadership.

DWill led his Fighting Illini to the 2005 NCAA Championship game. He led the Jazz to 50 wins three times and the postseason every year except his debut. And I’m certain if he had stayed in Utah (and remained healthy) last year, they would have once again grabbed a Playoff spot.

He’s a true floor general. In his short career with Utah, Deron often drew comparisons to his Hall of Fame predecessor, John Stockton, but Williams actually called many more plays for coach Jerry Sloan than Stockton ever did. He’s been running basketball offenses his way since high school, and clearly all of his coaches have always trusted him with their offensive schemes.

While his leadership was never in question, Williams’ collegiate numbers left something to be desired, especially his shooting percentages. His assists and points have both made a huge jump from college to the NBA, but it’s the improvement in his shooting across the board that has really impressed. Deron’s gone from shooting around 42 percent from the field and 65 percent from the free-throw line in college to now posting a career 46.3 percent clip and over 80 percent from the stripe.

And what Deron lacks in sheer Iverson-esque athleticism—which CP3 embodies—he makes up for with his massive size. Seriously, dude’s a running back…running an NBA team. Once a star wrestler back in middle school, he now boasts a 6-3, 209-pound frame. DWill’s body is like a bull when driving through the paint and also naturally improves his defense on other smaller point guards.

And now, the thick-bodied point guard is at the helm in New Jersey.

Once 2012 begins though, and the Nets finally make their move, DWill will be the biggest thing in Brooklyn since Jay-Z. Oh wait, no. Jigga will steal that limelight occasionally, not that he shouldn’t. But the Nets already know what they have. Due to his nagging wrist injury, Williams only played in 12 games for NJ after the trade, but in that span he averaged nearly 13 assists while the Nets scored 101.9 ppg compared to 92.9 points the rest of the season. A small sample size for sure, but eye-popping nonetheless.

Perhaps the country really took note of Deron Williams as a top image in the NBA this past July when he became the first NBA star to sign on to play overseas. Once Turkey got hold of Williams, it was like Moses leading a mass exodus. Now well over 60 players are going overseas, including Kobe, while other stars like Kevin Durant, Amar’e Stoudemire, Dwight Howard, Blake Griffin, Rudy Gay, etc. have since expressed interest in jetting across the Atlantic.

Deron should dominate over in EurAsia, and we’ll certainly have to keep a watch on the wrist.

But once he comes back, and the NBA returns, DWill will be right back proving why he should be labeled the best point guard in the NBA, not just one of the best. It’s a shame Chris Paul and Deron Williams haven’t played each other in postseason yet, although they might end up Big Apple enemies if the Knicks do indeed link up their own dream team with Amar’e, Melo and CP3.

Deron has some talent surrounding him currently in Jersey, but it’s nothing to write home about. When he finally gets home, he has quite the difficult task ahead of him turning that team into an Eastern powerhouse. But if I’m starting my basketball team, I’m building around a premier big man or point guard… and when that thought comes to mind… I instantly think Deron Williams. Always have.

This is not an argument against Chris Paul. He’s obviously everything you want in a basketball player, let alone a point guard. But Deron, you could say, with less talent and speed is right up there. This shouldn’t be a debate of flaws, because honestly, neither have too many in their games. Both of their styles are perfect for a dishing point guard who, at times, is relied on to score a lot as well. Both should be celebrated for their unique gifts, differing styles and the most similar of journeys so far.

Let THIS debate reign on.

SLAMonline Top 50 Players 2011
Rank Player Team Position Pos. Rank
50 Luol Deng Bulls SF 8
49 Andrew Bogut Bucks C 7
48 Ray Allen Celtics SG 9
47 Marc Gasol Grizzlies C 6
46 David West Hornets PF 15
45 Kevin Martin Rockets SG 8
44 Andrew Bynum Lakers C 5
43 Brandon Jennings Bucks PG 11
42 Lamar Odom Lakers PF 14
41 Gerald Wallace Blazers SF 7
40 Brook Lopez Nets C 4
39 Joakim Noah Bulls C 3
38 Carlos Boozer Bulls PF 13
37 Kevin Garnett Celtics PF 12
36 Eric Gordon Clippers SG 7
35 Tony Parker Spurs PG 10
34 Andre Iguodala 76ers SG 6
33 Al Jefferson Jazz PF 11
32 Al Horford Hawks C 2
31 Stephen Curry Warriors PG 9
30 Tim Duncan Spurs PF 10
29 Josh Smith Hawks PF 9
28 Manu Ginobili Spurs SG 5
27 Tyreke Evans Kings PG 8
26 Rudy Gay Grizzlies SF 6
25 John Wall Wizards PG 7
24 Danny Granger Pacers SF 5
23 Monta Ellis Warriors SG 4
22 Joe Johnson Hawks SG 3
21 Paul Pierce Celtics SF 4
20 Steve Nash Suns PG 6
19 Zach Randolph Grizzlies PF 8
18 LaMarcus Aldridge Blazers PF 7
17 Chris Bosh Heat PF 6
16 Kevin Love TWolves PF 5
15 Rajon Rondo Celtics PG 5
14 Blake Griffin Clippers PF 4
13 Pau Gasol Lakers PF 3
12 Russell Westbrook Thunder PG 4
11 Amar’e Stoudemire Knicks PF 2
10 Deron Williams Nets PG 3

Notes
• Rankings are based solely on projected ’11-12 performance.
• Contributors to this list include: Maurice Bobb, Shannon Booher, David Cassilo, Bryan Crawford, Sandy Dover, Adam Figman, Jon Jaques, Eldon Khorshidi, Ryne Nelson, Doobie Okon, Ben Osborne, Quinn Peterson, Dave Schnur, Abe Schwadron, Dan Shapiro, Irv Soonachan, Todd Spehr, Tzvi Twersky, Yaron Weitzman, DeMarco Williams and Ben York.
• Want more of the SLAMonline Top 50? Check out the archive.

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  • http://www.bulls.com Enigmatic

    C’mon now.
    Rose’s crossover >>> William’s crossover.
    Williams would agree, I know Rose shook his a** several times the last couple of years.

  • http://slamonline.com nbk

    Williams Crossover > Everyone in the league. Williams stepback >> Everyone in the league. Derrick Rose’s First Step > Deron Williams Crossover

  • http://nba.com GP23

    and… Rose > Deron

  • http://slamonline.com Allenp

    NBK knows what’s up.
    NObody’s crossover effs with Deron’s. NOBODY’s. Right to left, left to right it does not matter. And he gets into his jumper out of the crossover better than anyone too. It’s uncanny how easily he gets on balance and gets a shot up after that vicious a crossover.

  • http://www.bulls.com Enigmatic

    I must not be seeing something y’all are.
    Cause to me, Rose’s crossover is nastier than Deron’s.
    I’ll chalk it up to my fandom goggles, I suppose.

  • http://cnbc.com JTaylor21

    CP’s handles > Everyone else’s.

  • http://slamonline.com LakeShow

    ^Agree with JTaylor. Overall CP is the best ball handler. Not saying ones cross over isn’t better or another first step, but overall CP takes it.

  • http://slamonline.com nbk

    What Williams is most impressive at, imo, is the set-up dribble before the cross/stepback. He uses that dribble to shift the defenders balance and then boom, he’s 6 feet either too the other side or backwards, literally as fast as it took you to read the word boom. idk who I think is a better player, I’d prolly go with Rose, but Deron Williams handles the ball beautifully.

  • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WNKNu4j_y1Q nbk

    Click my name Matic. And watch you boy Kirk Hinrich go down like he just got attacked by the Big Bad Wolf. filthy

  • http://nba.com GP23

    Nash’s passing > Everyone else’s

  • http://slamonline.com Allenp

    Nah, Chris Paul got better handles. Not a better crossover. The separation Deron creates, despite not being super quick, is proof that he’s doing something nasty.

  • Steven

    Sorry, but there’s no way Carmelo is a better overall player than Deron.

  • http://www.bulls.com Enigmatic

    No youtube at work for me. :(
    But why you gotta do Kirk like that?
    Anyways, if Dwight Howard makes his way to Brooklyn…. Williams/Howard…best PG/C combo since Penny/Shaq?
    Magic/Kareem?
    I tend to go towards the latter cause Shaq and Penny were so young when they were together.
    Can’t think of any other potent 1/5 combos of the last 20 years off the top of my head.

  • http://nba.com GP23

    Nash’s shooting > every other point guard in the league

  • http://slamonline.com Allenp

    I have Deron over Rose for this reason.
    They are both scoring point guards. Rose hasn’t demonstrated he’s that much of a better scorer, but Deron had demonstrated that Rose is very much his inferior as a passer and defender.
    Correct?
    Then why is there a question about who is better?

  • http://www.bulls.com Enigmatic

    I’d put Rose over Williams as a scorer, though yes, not by much.
    I’d put Williams over Rose as a passer/distributor/offense runner..er? Yes, by quite a bit.
    I don’t think the gap is that big on defense though.
    But like I said, Williams was hurt last year and, at least the times I saw him, he didn’t look as good.
    So if he keeps that trend going this upcoming season, and Rose improves, then Rose deserves to be over dude.
    If he regains his old form, and Rose doesn’t improve upon last season like he should, then yeah Deron will be better once again.
    But the burden of proof is on Deron, in my mind.

  • http://cnbc.com JTaylor21

    Nah, CP’s passing > everyone else’s.

  • http://slamonline.com Allenp

    Kurt Hinrich got dealt with. Twice.
    And Deron is a very good defender. One of the best at his position. Seriously.

  • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WNKNu4j_y1Q nbk

    Last season, Deron Williams was not the same defender he had been earlier in his career. Like the whole season. I realize the firs few months he was doing just about everything offensively for Utah, and he got hurt, but regardless, I’m not just going to assume he plays D like he did 2 years ago when this season begins. And Rose has made leaps as a defender, he still isn’t real good, but he’s above average at this point. And presumably, only getting better. Rose also is more aggressive for the whole time he is on the floor, Williams tends to take plays off when his team isn’t competitive. At their peaks I’d take Williams (so far), but tomorrow going forward, I’d take Rose, until Williams proves he can do what he used to. Basically the exact same feelings I had about Chris Paul and Deron Williams going into last season.

  • AD

    best pg in the lg hands down……. but based off LAST YEARS STATS this is good for me…..

  • http://slamonline.com Allenp

    Fair

  • http://Slamonline.com nbk

    Deron Williams in December was the best PG in the league though, no competition he was the clear cut best. I love the PG situation in the L right now.

  • http://slamonline.com Myles Brown

    Deron Williams isn’t even one of the Top 10 endorsers of Murray’s Hair products, much less top ten in the league.

  • brock

    Guys I think Cp3 and Deron are the top pgs in the game, but the scary thing about Rose is I don’t think he’s close to his ceiling as a player. The kid works too hard in the off-season to improve his game and his basketball iq is something he clearly wanted to address this upcoming season.2 years from now I believe the best pg debate will be about Rose versus Wall

  • http://cnbc.com JTaylor21

    Myles obviously wasn’t in the top 10 in his class, much less top 500 in the entire school.

  • http://www.bulls.com Enigmatic

    Well, not sure if Myles was serious, but I kinda wanna see a Myles/AllenP debate on here.

  • Steven

    JTaylor, Myles was miles behind the others.

  • maxillious

    D-Dub got the sickest Crossover in the League,hands down on that one.

  • http://Slamonline.com Caboose

    Agree with Brock. Deron and CP are still 1A and 1B of point guards. However, Rose’s potential is still off the charts. Based on projection for next year, Rose might go out and rack up more assists. Which is why I’d put Rose higher than Deron for next season. That said, I think Deron is a better player right now but that might change by the end of next year. And to those who put Dwight at anything other than 2 or 3, check his playoff stats and tell me he’s not gonna wreck the league next year.

  • chingy

    In a couple years, Wall > Rose.

  • http://slamonline.com Allenp

    Myles is going to have to explain his position.
    Because I can’t think of any player already named that I think is better than Deron.

  • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WNKNu4j_y1Q nbk

    I highly, highly, highly doubt Myles comes and argues his position, or explains his sarcasm. Haven’t seen him get into it with a commenter in a long time, like years.

  • http://slamonline.com Myles Brown

    ^This.

  • http://cnbc.com JTaylor21

    It would be like Jerry Jones and George Steinbrenner in a room having a conversation about who’s the richest, who’s accomplished the most and who uses the most blue pills. It would be too much for my senses.

  • http://www,2ksports.com Showtime

    I can live with this spot to me shouldve been like two spot higher but ehh, Dwill does have the best hesitation set-up before the cross, Rose has the best in-and out, Wall has the best first step if you blink that kid is gone.Cp3 has the array of handles thou

  • http://stapledesign.com Spaceship Jay

    CP3 as a pure point guard > Everybody else. To acquire a playoff spot (and not the 8th) in the West with a super young coach, and almost no one else that can score efficiently and independently (other than DWest) says it all to me. He made Aaron Gray an offensive threat. An offensive. Threat.

  • http://slamonline.com Allenp

    ^Agreed. That’s what got me off Team Deron. That is a minor miracle not seen in the NBA EVER!

  • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WNKNu4j_y1Q nbk

    If you were still a DWill guy after what CP did last season I would question your opinions on almost everything going forward.

  • http://www.washingtonpost.com/sports/wizards/a-quick-guide-to-the-issues-of-the-nba-lockout/2011/10/11/gIQAon1ZbL_story.html unf*ckwitable

    Derons a beast, looking for him to have a big season after a fairly underwhelming one. Nice spot for him. cosign whoever said he has the best crossover in the L, For someone not that fast he gets plenty of room for himself off that cross. Rose crossover is dope too though.

  • http://fivemag.de Speedy

    @nbk
    You are saying that Dirk gets to much credit because he had guys in his team that helped him.
    Name me one player that made it out of the second round without help from a good team.
    Kobe, no. Garnett, Ray Allen, Paul Pierce, no….
    The only one that comes to my mind is AI in a bad Eastern Conference.

  • http://fivemag.de Speedy

    DRose, Deron and Chris Paul are all on the same level.
    Who has the edge depends on the teams they play on.

  • http://slamonline.com Allenp

    ^Lebron.

  • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WNKNu4j_y1Q nbk

    No I’m saying Dirk isn’t the best player in the world because he happened to be on a championship team. Just like JJ Barea isn’t the best PG free agent this summer just because he won a title. Just like Tyson Chandler isn’t the best defensive center on earth just because he won a title. Just like, oh f*ck it, you get the picture right?

  • http://cnbc.com JTaylor21

    No, CP, DWill and DRose are not on the same level. One great season from DRose doesn’t automatically place him on the same plane as CP/DWill. He’s nipping at their heels but those guys are still better PGs (for now).

  • zach

    ^true

  • http://www.washingtonpost.com/sports/wizards/a-quick-guide-to-the-issues-of-the-nba-lockout/2011/10/11/gIQAon1ZbL_story.html unf*ckwitable

    Drose is doing a bit more then nipping on their heels, hes about to bite they arses off. But I agree, still not quite the same level as cp3 yet. As for Dwill, it depends on the upcoming season since he needs a big one to stay on cp3s level.

  • Mackdaddy

    Wierd that everyone has the MVP not even in their top 5, I guess just because of lack of experience but still…if Rose keeps playing like he did last season this whole debate will become irrelevant fast.

  • seriousblack

    I think Rose is awesome, but he’s not up there will DWill or CP3 yet as far as pgs go. The MVP award is great, but Lebron would have had a third if he’d stayed in Cleveland.

  • http://www.bulls.com Enigmatic

    Yeah, the MVP award doesn’t always go to the best player.

  • http://www.slamonline.com Slick Ric

    Now the fun is about to begin, good spot for D-will, will to me is a player that is good in a lot of areas but he, IMO, is not overwhelming to his opponents most of the times. He is consistent in his output and like I mentioned does many things well but probably not great.

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