Wednesday, October 26th, 2011 at 1:15 pm  |  433 responses

Top 50: Kobe Bryant, no. 3

The definitive ranking of the NBA’s best players.

by Ryan Jones / @thefarmerjones

I don’t want to overplay the significance of this, but: nobody wanted Kobe.

This list, which so many of you have received so good naturedly, was submitted last month to the vast pool of SLAMonline freelancers as a first-come, first-served opportunity. The top two (I don’t want to give anything away, but you’ll notice the name “Joey Graham” has been conspicuously absent thus far…) were claimed before the list was sent out, leaving players 3-50.

Kobe Bryant was No. 3. He remains so.

I wasn’t sure I was going to write one of these this year, but as the list was sent out, and then sent out again, I couldn’t help noticing that, while some of my fellow scribblers were apparently clamoring for the chance to weigh in on LaMarcus Aldridge and Al Jefferson, Mr. Bean remained unclaimed.

At first, this shocked me. But then I realized it made a perfect sort of sense.

We’re kind of over Kobe, aren’t we?

I probably should’ve said this sooner, but what you’re reading is not the sort of Bean-bashing I’ve done in the past. (Which, let’s be honest, is a shame. I think we all had a lot of fun back then, didn’t we?) When I say we’re “over” Kobe, I don’t mean we don’t like him (which is irrelevant, even for me, at this point), or that we think he sucks, which, duh. Kobe’s still really good at basketball.

It just seems like maybe Kobe is past the point of being worth arguing about.

OK, so maybe not for all of us. Ha, ha, ha. No. Some of you us will argue about anything, I know. But after a season in which he put up his lowest scoring average in seven years (granted, he was sort of banged up all season), and after a Playoff run that ended in a second-round sweep (granted, to the eventual champs), it seems like our collective analytical energy is directed increasingly toward LeBron (still…) and Kevin and Derrick and Dwyane and Dwight. Sure, we’ll still make our case for where Kobe Bryant, Elder Statesman™, belongs among these younger lads who lack his creaky knees and fistful of rings. But it doesn’t seem to matter, not nearly so much as it did.

There’s a reason for this. A good one. It’s about legacies, and how they become set regardless of whether we’re consciously aware of it at the time.

Kobe Bryant’s legacy is set.

Kobe Bryant might play one more season, or three, or five (which would make 20—wow), but it doesn’t much matter. However much longer he goes, his career totals will go up and his averages will taper off accordingly, and it won’t really matter. He might win another title or two, which would be impressive without Phil Jackson, but will also almost certainly require the help of a player like Dwight Howard (you know, as a random example), and so that won’t matter, either.

It won’t matter because we all know where Kobe stands.

Better than Jordan? No. Never. But close, in many ways as close as anyone’s gotten, and maybe as close as anyone will get.

Better than LeBron? No, not anymore—but yes, certainly, where legacies are concerned. In that, it might never be particularly close.

We can argue the rest—Kobe vs Wade in their prime, Kobe vs Durant, Kobe vs Rose, Kobe vs Barnes or Shabazz or whoever comes next—and we will, because that’s what we do. We can make the case that some nights, during this theoretical ‘11-12 season that may never exist, Kobe Bryant still will be the best basketball player alive. And we’ll be right. Because, some nights, he still will be.

Other nights he’ll show his age, or his impatience, or his belligerence, and those of us you who are so inclined will smile at his eternal, incurable flaws and comfort yourselves with the knowledge that his time is near.

And it doesn’t matter. Because his career, in as much as it matters as a discussion piece for basketball fans, is pretty much over.

But for now—right now, today—a list composed of the opinions of a bunch of well-informed basketball writer/fans says Kobe Bryant is the third-best player in the NBA. (We had him second last year, and second the year before that.) I didn’t vote on this list, but I’m fine with his ranking. I’d probably be fine if we had him fourth, or sixth, or maybe even second. I’m not all that into lists. I don’t think it’s a big deal either way.

Hey, do you guys have any thoughts on this?

SLAMonline Top 50 Players 2011
Rank Player Team Position Pos. Rank
50 Luol Deng Bulls SF 8
49 Andrew Bogut Bucks C 7
48 Ray Allen Celtics SG 9
47 Marc Gasol Grizzlies C 6
46 David West Hornets PF 15
45 Kevin Martin Rockets SG 8
44 Andrew Bynum Lakers C 5
43 Brandon Jennings Bucks PG 11
42 Lamar Odom Lakers PF 14
41 Gerald Wallace Blazers SF 7
40 Brook Lopez Nets C 4
39 Joakim Noah Bulls C 3
38 Carlos Boozer Bulls PF 13
37 Kevin Garnett Celtics PF 12
36 Eric Gordon Clippers SG 7
35 Tony Parker Spurs PG 10
34 Andre Iguodala 76ers SG 6
33 Al Jefferson Jazz PF 11
32 Al Horford Hawks C 2
31 Stephen Curry Warriors PG 9
30 Tim Duncan Spurs PF 10
29 Josh Smith Hawks PF 9
28 Manu Ginobili Spurs SG 5
27 Tyreke Evans Kings PG 8
26 Rudy Gay Grizzlies SF 6
25 John Wall Wizards PG 7
24 Danny Granger Pacers SF 5
23 Monta Ellis Warriors SG 4
22 Joe Johnson Hawks SG 3
21 Paul Pierce Celtics SF 4
20 Steve Nash Suns PG 6
19 Zach Randolph Grizzlies PF 8
18 LaMarcus Aldridge Blazers PF 7
17 Chris Bosh Heat PF 6
16 Kevin Love TWolves PF 5
15 Rajon Rondo Celtics PG 5
14 Blake Griffin Clippers PF 4
13 Pau Gasol Lakers PF 3
12 Russell Westbrook Thunder PG 4
11 Amar’e Stoudemire Knicks PF 2
10 Deron Williams Nets PG 3
9 Carmelo Anthony Knicks SF 3
8 Chris Paul Hornets PG 2
7 Dirk Nowitzki Mavs PF 1
6 Dwight Howard Magic C 1
5 Dwyane Wade Heat SG 2
4 Derrick Rose Bulls PG 1
3 Kobe Bryant Lakers SG 1

Notes
• Rankings are based solely on projected ’11-12 performance.
• Contributors to this list include: Maurice Bobb, Shannon Booher, David Cassilo, Bryan Crawford, Sandy Dover, Adam Figman, Jon Jaques, Eldon Khorshidi, Ryne Nelson, Doobie Okon, Ben Osborne, Quinn Peterson, Dave Schnur, Abe Schwadron, Dan Shapiro, Irv Soonachan, Todd Spehr, Tzvi Twersky, Yaron Weitzman, DeMarco Williams and Ben York.
• Want more of the SLAMonline Top 50? Check out the archive.

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  • Maniac

    LakeShow, what are they defending lol?

  • Maniac

    And in today’s NBA I’d take Hakeem. Prime Shaq would foul out of every game today. At least Hakeem was mobile enough to defend outside of the post. Plus, I’ve heard some analysts say that Hakeem’s true position was PF. Maybe. I don’t see why he couldn’t be both when Duncan is technically both.

  • Otero

    Yo i cosign vc n tmac had raw talent but didnt really care to go hard…same with ai…but @AllenP…Whatsgood with that 2k12..?

  • http://slamonline.com LakeShow

    LOL, nothing that’s why it’s a question for the ages.

    T-MAC>>Penny. Liked Penny, but T-Mac at his peak could do everything a little better than Penny imo.

  • Otero

    @Offthebackboard i always felt the sameway about kidd? Smh but yeah in my opinion about what ya was discussing earlier.shaq deserved 05 and cp shouldve got 08 but i guess Kobe was overdue by then

  • Maniac

    Does 2K12 allow 3-way or 4-way trades? I don’t see any options for it

  • Maniac

    MVP voters seem to change their opinion about what a MVP is every now and then. There are always 2-3 players who deserve the award every year.

  • Maniac

    @Allenp – I’m interested in Josh Smith. Got any trade ideas?

  • http://www.nba.comI Showtime

    I will take tmac , because penny prime was cut way,too short kinda g.hills. Penny was that dude he had the bball iQ & vision that was elite, but mac was in just elite in scoring, kinda like kd. To me it like poorman jordan vs poorman,magic( notice I said poor man)

  • One

    Hey Lakeshow I’m with you on this,

    It’s Kobe Bryant’s intangibles that still place him as a top 3 player. He goes straight for the heart of every team he plays and doesn’t relent. This can be his undoing occasionally but I do think He is going to surprise us next season.

    You can shee here:http://network.yardbarker.com/nba/article_external/main_reason_kobe_bryant_should_still_be_considered_the_best_basketball_player_on_earth_today/7640779 that Kobe still quite easily has everything required of a top 3 player.

  • Otero

    @maniac are you on right now?

  • Otero

    @maniac are you on right now

  • Kadavour

    Enigmatic: lauding Pip as a revolutionary rebounder is more revisionist history at work. How many double digit rebounding seasons did he have? how about none. He averaged 8rebs in 2 seasons. Pip was a career second fiddle. He proved that in 94. Same thing with his mini stint in H-town, and again, in Portland where he was the glue guy. Kobe would be a better fit for that team because of his ability to score from any position in the triple post offense.

  • the preacher

    just wondering what would happen if kd got ranked higher than lebron, or worse what if slam actually left lebron out of the ranking? im guessing an average of say 900 comments if kd is ranked higher

  • Maniac

    Yes I’m on 2k12 right now

  • http://www.slamonline.com Slick Ric

    T-MAC was much better than penny in their primes, And does anyone have the the warriors or kings in the PS3 league.

  • Maniac

    @otero ^^

  • Kadavour

    Superstar is WEAK. step ya game up and play HOF. piece of advice for US players on 360. change your locale to united kingdom, and clock setting 00 GMT London. that way you use another set of servers to host ur game as opposed to the overrun east coast servers.

  • http://www.slamonline.com Megatron

    @nbk, what are you gonna name the league? id like the heat but if someone else wants them im down with a few teams so I dont mind giving them up

  • Otero

    tjay917…add me

  • http://www.slamonline.com Megatron

    @kadavour, does that take away some of the lag?

  • Maniac

    got you

  • http://www.bulls.com Enigmatic

    When the hell did I say Scottie Pippen was a “revolutionary rebounder”????
    When did I even bring up his rebounding?
    Kadavour, are you on meds?

  • Kadavour

    yup. its much improved.

  • http://www.kb24.com The Seed

    Kobe’s Stats as a starter (from 1998-2010):
    Kobe Bryant: 27.0 PPG, 5.8 REB, 5.1 AST, 1.5 STL, 0.5 BLK, 3.0 TO, 33.1% 3P, 84.2% FT, 45.6%FG,

    Michael Jordan’s career averages: 30.12 PPG, 6.2 REB, 5.3 AST, 2.3 STL, 0.8 BLK, 2.7 TO, 32.7% 3P, 83.5% FT, 49.7% FG, ,

    MJ: 5 MVP’s. Kobe 1 MVP
    MJ: 6 Finals MVP’s. Kobe 2 Finals MVP’s
    MJ: 10 Scoring Titles. Kobe 2 Scoring Titles
    MJ: 1 Defensive Player of the Year Award. Kobe 0
    MJ: 3 Steals titles. Kobe 0
    MJ: 10 time 1st Team All NBA. Kobe 8 time 1st Team All NBA
    MJ: 9 time 1st Team All-Defense. Kobe 8 time 1st Team All Defense
    MJ: Career Scoring Average 30.1. Kobe 25.3
    MJ: Career FG Percentage .497. Kobe 45.5
    MJ: Career Playoff Scoring Average 33.4. Kobe 25.5
    MJ: Career Playoff FG Percentage .487. Kobe .448
    MJ: Career Rebounding Average 6.2. Kobe 5.3
    MJ: Career Assists Average 5.3. Kobe 4.7
    MJ: Career Steals Average 2.3. Kobe 1.5

    Yes MJ has better stats, but MJ never had to play with a 30 point per game player like Shaq. MJ had free reign his whole career to do whatever. MJ never had a post player to play with like Shaq or Gasol. MJ was the best post player on his team and did not have a big man to clog the middle. When Kobe got the opportunity to be the best post player he averaged over 50%fg and was getting 30 points too easy, then Gasol came back. MJ was the first so he will always get PROPED UP more. BUT YALL ask yall self this if their was no MJ, what would you think of KOBE. KOBE can never be better than MJ, but KOBE can get seven rings, beat the CELTICS or HEAT in the Finals then he can get more points towards his GREATEST EVER QUEST. I am a big KOBE fan, because he had to work to be the best from sitting the bench, Coach not playing him, having trouble with Shaq as the TEAM leader, to getting the team and still taking over.

    For those who think Kobe just set around when Shaq won the first three rings. CHECK THE STATS I had to educate some other dudes a while back, heres the STATS

    Shaq 99-00 30 3 15
    Kobe 99-00 21 5 5
    Shaq 00-01 30 3 15
    Kobe 00-01 30 6 7
    Shaq 01-02 29 3 13
    Kobe 01-02 27 5 6
    Shaq 02-03 27 4 15
    Kobe 02-03 32 5 5
    Shaq 03-04 22 2 13
    Kobe 03-04 25 6 5

    Those are each year compare in playoff career stats and aver the 03/04 year Shaq never averaged over 20ppg ever again in the Playoffs and Kobe after 03/04 has averaged 30ppg since. KOBE is top 5 ALL TIME. MJ

    KOBE has hit more GAME WINNERS than anyone in the HISTORY OF THE NBA. ALso alot of anylst and Phil Jackson has stated Kobe has a better pure shot than MJ, and is a better 3 point shooter. ALso MJ defense was overrated because I remember slow Magic Johnson torching MJ and Pippen had to guard him. Also people forget alot of times during the first three rings. Kobe guarded the other teams best player and had the ball most the time in the 4th qtr because Shaq could not hit free throws.

    MJ will always been seen as way better than Kobe, but if you put aside some stats because MJ was always dominate from day one, Kobe and MJ are too close for comfort in shooting, drive, defense and rings.

    IF there is no MJ, Then KOBE would be seen as the greatest EVER, but MJ will always been ONE, unless Kobe wins seven or eight rings. ALso didn’t Magic and Larry play on GREAT TEAMS, but Kobe gets the hit for playing with a good Gasol and old Artest. Funny. Magic had Bryon Scott, Kareem-ALL TIME SCORING LEADER, James top 50 Worthy, MIcheal greatest defensive player behind Pippen Cooper and more. Larry had even more help with at least three of his players getting 20 ppg during the season. Larry, had Danny Ainge, Dennis Johnson, Kevin Mchale, Robert Parrish and more.

    KOBE is the MAN. BOOK IT!!!

  • http://Slamonline.com Caboose

    Nbk, let me have my Magic if you don’t mind.

  • http://www.bulls.com Enigmatic

    YAY.
    SEED’s here….

  • http://slamonline.com nbk

    Its going to be Slam Commenters. I’ll comment here as soon as I get home from work. Doin a lot of sh*t right now. Caboose, they are reserved fam

  • http://www.slamonline.com Slick Ric

    I dont doubt kobe, maybe he can put together a spectacular season, but the odds are against him with him being older and less explosive and having to get acclimated to a new system and coach.

  • Otero

    yeah put me down for the league…If I cant get the Thunder, then I want the Grizz or Hornets, and if not them the Kings. Im ready with anyone! Im nice with the Raptors

  • http://slamonline.com nbk

    for you*

  • Otero

    @maniac…whatup i invited you for a match

  • http://www.slamonline.com Megatron

    otero, you on ps3 or 360?

  • Ouse

    Great write-up Ryan, spot on. Its a total mystery though how you guys could vote Durant at 2. & when if ever in his prime will Lebron’s big-game failures drop him off the top spot I wonder?

  • Otero

    Im on PS3…TJAY917

  • Maniac

    This online stuff confused me lol. It’s not like last year. Invite me again

  • Maniac

    @Allenp – Andrew Bynum, Steve Blake, & Trey Johnson for Josh Smith & Zaza Pachulia? lol

  • http://bedotwater.bandcamp.com BE.water

    @nbk I know I’m late, but I’m trying to be in that 2k12 league. whats the info? or just hit me on LIVE @: The Frozone …. it was the only current black superhero i could name at the time. lol

  • http://www.bulls.com Enigmatic

    Damn, BE. you never heard of Blade, Spawn or War Machine?

  • Maniac

    @Allenp – And I’m waiting for this deal with the Sixers to go through. If I get Lou Williams, I’ll throw him in the deal if you throw in Kirk. So the first deal or Andrew Bynum, Lou Williams, Steve Blake, & Trey Johnson for Josh Smith, Kirk Hinrich & Zaza Pachulia. What you think?

  • One

    Would you by a an amazing expensive car that drove like a dream until one day a tornado is chasing you and and when you need it most it breaks down and you die, rendering everything it has done before hand pretty irrelevant. I could see a 30% chance of KD being number 1

  • http://www.slamonline.com Slick Ric

    Like lebron, people need to stop comparing Kobe to MJ, he is not better nor is he as good. Mj trumps him in everything except three’s and Ft’s. Kobe is barely a top ten player of all-time. With that being said, I do appreciate his game, but stop with MJ comparisons.

  • http://slamonline.com LakeShow

    SLic Ric. You do know that that is how the sports world, especially basketball goes right? You do realize how foolish you sound saying that you shouldn’t compare athletes right? It sounds quite silly. How are you suppose to describe a players game if someone doesn’t know his game? Are we suppose to just go through every facet of their game and talk about what they do on the floor in your mind? What if their style of play and what they accomplish on the floor is very similar to another player? We still can;t compare? No comparing allowed? Why? Why should we not compare player A to player B if they play similar style of ball?

  • guru

    Kobe will play into his late thirties at about 23 ppg, win acouple more championships and retire as the all time leader in points with 7 rings and GOAT status

  • http://www.facebook.com/#!/joe.l.brewer3 BlackPhantom

    I personally had him lower, but I’m not completely shocked by his placement. I would try to be active in the thread since it was the one thread I was most looking forward to….but there’s already 300+ comments so screw it, I’ll leave it alone.

  • http://www.kb24.com The Seed

    Another bad writeup from Ryan Jones, but I will take Kobe at 3. I think people forget Kobe was banged up and Gasol and Bynum played like Kwame Brown. Odom was making reality shows and Brown got an R&B star and we traded Sasha knowing and we could have used Farmer. Dirk Dallas has a great year, but really, LA is back. Give Kobe the ring back, MVP back and all time scoring leader in playoffs is coming. Also Kobe is the only player in history that can be compared to MJ. BOOK IT!!

  • http://www.facebook.com/#!/joe.l.brewer3 BlackPhantom

    Aw c’mon Seed I thought the write-up was pretty good. It’s not like Ryan wasn’t telling the truth. BTW, In order to really get back to the Finalsand win, we need either a decent,younger PG, Dwight Howard or a lights-out Kobe

  • http://Slamonline.com nbk

    The Seed hating on you is probably the biggest Compliment of the day Ryan. Congratulations. CATALOG THAT!!!

  • http://nba.com/celtics lights out

    see the face kobe’s making in that picture? that’s how he’d react to this ranking. i can see why bron and kd will be ranked ahead of him, but i’d still maintain that he’s the most skilled player in the league and that he’s the guy i’d want on my side in the fourth quarter. and this is from a celtics fan.

  • http://slamonline.com AlbertBarr

    Damn. I wish I had already bought 2k12. Hella want to play in this league. Haven’t played much since 2k10 but used to kill it.

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