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Thursday, October 27th, 2011 at 1:31 pm  |  294 responses

Top 50: LeBron James, no. 1

The definitive ranking of the NBA’s best players.

by Ben Osborne / @bosborne17

We have our default subhead for the SLAMonline Top 50—the suddenly slightly controversial phrase “definitive ranking of the NBA’s best players”—but if I was left to write my own for this piece, it would be: “The perfect ranking at an imperfect time.”

By “perfect,” I mean, No. 1. You can’t be higher than 1, right? So by this standard, LeBron James has the perfect ranking. And in so many ways, he deserves it. I feel like I elucidated all the reasons LeBron is the best player in the game really well a year ago, and as far as skill set, durability and regular-season mindset, nothing’s changed. LeBron is still a physical freak of nature. He can still score 40 points just about any time out. He still has the vision and unselfishness to drop double-digit assists any time out. He can still hit threes, he can still embarrass opponents with violent dunks.

Sticking with what we saw in last year’s regular season (and pretty much the entire Playoffs until the Finals), LeBron still has swagger and can still be a team leader. I have a hard time believing a single GM in the League, if told they could have any one player on their team for this upcoming season, would take anyone other than LeBron James. Ergo, he got my No. 1 pick for this ranking, and enough other No. 1 votes, to easily finish first. And, if LeBron’s Twitter can be believed, there’s actually reason to expect the King to be even better this season: A legitimate post-up game, which has been the biggest hole in his offensive arsenal.

I frankly think it’s awesome that a 6-8, 250-pound player has spent almost his entire career on the perimeter—that’s what makes him so unique. But all great players need to diversify their games, and LeBron has done way too little of that so far in his career—if, this season, he can reliably go in the post and be a near-lock to either finish at the rim, hit a cutter for a bucket or draw a shooting foul, he will be that much more unstoppable. So there, in concise fashion, I have laid out my reasons for why LeBron deserves the perfect ranking.

Now, even while conceding that LeBron is one of my favorite players in the League and that I absolutely hope he wins multiple rings in his career, I will get to the imperfect portion of this write-up. First and foremost is last season’s NBA Finals. At about 11 p.m. on June 2, LeBron and the Heat were up 88-73 on the Mavericks with little more than seven minutes remaining in Game 2. Miami was on the verge of 2-0 series lead, and honestly, this thing had the makings of a sweep.

I was out watching the game with my man Tzvi, and we were sending tweets about the game looking like a layup line for the Heat. I remind you guys of how the series started so you remember that it wasn’t like it was a failure for LeBron from the jump. Even if Dwyane Wade (who LeBron had largely carried in the EC Finals) was better than Bron through two games or even an entire series and won the MVP award, people would not have had much bad to say about LeBron as a world champion.

Instead, the Mavs gutted out a historic comeback win and changed the entire tenor of the series. Once it changed, and the Heat started to be the ones with their backs to the wall, LeBron shrunk. No two ways about it. As this piece, which was tweeted to me this morning (did the writer know what I was working on today??) points out, over the six-game, 4-2 series loss, LeBron (lack of caps and styling his, not mine):

- was the leading scorer in exactly zero of them.

- scored 107 points, which was the third most on his team, and the fifth most of anyone in the series. but he also played the most minutes of anyone by far (262), a whole quarter and a half more than dirk, and almost two and a half quarters more than Wade. That works out to 19.6 points per 48 minutes. The NBA average this season for all qualifying players was 20.2 points per 48 minutes.

- was fourth on his team in free-throw attempts in the series, behind Wade, Bosh and Mario Chalmers.

- averaged exactly 3 points per game in the fourth quarter.

Honestly, I can’t defend any of that. It was confusing and frustrating. And LeBron certainly hasn’t explained it yet (don’t think I haven’t asked for an interview on SLAM’s behalf!). About the only thing that can be said, in short, is: He had the worst Finals possible for the “best player in the game.” He shrunk from the moment and let his coaches, fans and teammates down. But that doesn’t make his career a failure. As Tom Haberstroh eloquently pointed out last week, LeBron is 26 years old. Twenty-six! He could be the top-ranked player for five, six, maybe seven more seasons. In many ways (such as Playoff wins), he’s had considerably more success than the G.O.A.T., Michael Jordan, had at this age.

None of this excuses what a bad 2011 Finals LeBron had (or even the 2010 Playoff flame-out vs Boston), but it should halt those that think the guy’s career epitaph should already be written. LeBron James has a lot of career left.

The other thing that makes this an imperfect time to place LeBron No. 1 is a little out of his hands. Obviously the lockout puts a bad taste in everyone’s mouth, and even if it’s the owners fault in so many ways, the high-profile players earn much of the fans’ scorn. And, considering LeBron’s entirely legal and selfless (if horribly executed) Decision to move from the Cavs to the Heat has been twisted around to show how the owners have been wronged, LeBron seems to be getting an extra brunt of anger about the lockout.

So, while I wish that the piece that caps off almost six weeks of passionate writing and commenting could be an outright celebration, circumstances dictate that this one get an asterisk. Perhaps like the title the game’s best player will win this year?

SLAMonline Top 50 Players 2011
Rank Player Team Position Pos. Rank
50 Luol Deng Bulls SF 8
49 Andrew Bogut Bucks C 7
48 Ray Allen Celtics SG 9
47 Marc Gasol Grizzlies C 6
46 David West Hornets PF 15
45 Kevin Martin Rockets SG 8
44 Andrew Bynum Lakers C 5
43 Brandon Jennings Bucks PG 11
42 Lamar Odom Lakers PF 14
41 Gerald Wallace Blazers SF 7
40 Brook Lopez Nets C 4
39 Joakim Noah Bulls C 3
38 Carlos Boozer Bulls PF 13
37 Kevin Garnett Celtics PF 12
36 Eric Gordon Clippers SG 7
35 Tony Parker Spurs PG 10
34 Andre Iguodala 76ers SG 6
33 Al Jefferson Jazz PF 11
32 Al Horford Hawks C 2
31 Stephen Curry Warriors PG 9
30 Tim Duncan Spurs PF 10
29 Josh Smith Hawks PF 9
28 Manu Ginobili Spurs SG 5
27 Tyreke Evans Kings PG 8
26 Rudy Gay Grizzlies SF 6
25 John Wall Wizards PG 7
24 Danny Granger Pacers SF 5
23 Monta Ellis Warriors SG 4
22 Joe Johnson Hawks SG 3
21 Paul Pierce Celtics SF 4
20 Steve Nash Suns PG 6
19 Zach Randolph Grizzlies PF 8
18 LaMarcus Aldridge Blazers PF 7
17 Chris Bosh Heat PF 6
16 Kevin Love TWolves PF 5
15 Rajon Rondo Celtics PG 5
14 Blake Griffin Clippers PF 4
13 Pau Gasol Lakers PF 3
12 Russell Westbrook Thunder PG 4
11 Amar’e Stoudemire Knicks PF 2
10 Deron Williams Nets PG 3
9 Carmelo Anthony Knicks SF 3
8 Chris Paul Hornets PG 2
7 Dirk Nowitzki Mavs PF 1
6 Dwight Howard Magic C 1
5 Dwyane Wade Heat SG 2
4 Derrick Rose Bulls PG 1
3 Kobe Bryant Lakers SG 1
2 Kevin Durant Thunder SF 2
1 LeBron James Heat SF 1

Notes
• Rankings are based solely on projected ’11-12 performance.
• Contributors to this list include: Maurice Bobb, Shannon Booher, David Cassilo, Bryan Crawford, Sandy Dover, Adam Figman, Jon Jaques, Eldon Khorshidi, Ryne Nelson, Doobie Okon, Ben Osborne, Quinn Peterson, Dave Schnur, Abe Schwadron, Dan Shapiro, Irv Soonachan, Todd Spehr, Tzvi Twersky, Yaron Weitzman, DeMarco Williams and Ben York.
• Want more of the SLAMonline Top 50? Check out the archive.

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  • Young23

    Had a feeling it was gonna be this dude.

  • Andrew Woods

    Great writeup

  • mytiman

    I hate LeBron so much because of his arrogance. But honestly, he has this spot for the next 10 years.

  • http://www.slamonline.com Megatron

    everyone join the xbox 360 online 2k12 league. go to private league, name is “slamaleague” password is “slamily”

  • http://shinefluid@aol.com yada

    from st.vincent st.mary in akron ohio, Lebron King James!!! idk about the next 10 years man, these young boys on his heels

  • http://dui007.com jbn74sb

    Congrats on the 3 peat, buddy.

  • http://nba.com GP23

    Can’t argue with this… best player in the world.

  • Doobie

    hate the man with a passion, but yes, for his talent and age, hes the best player.

  • http://slamonline.com nbk

    hate that y’all posted 1&2 in the same day.

  • Boyer

    If this guy is so good, why has he quit on his team back-to-back years? Either the nba is void of the elite players so this guy has to be #1, which I don’t think is the case, or else why are so many people ranking him as the top player in the world? There’s a lot more to the game than stats and athleticism.

  • http://slamonline.com Ben Osborne

    Wow. Was gonna be 1st and say “whew, that was fun.” Which is still true. Should have known there’d already be almost 10 comments.

  • Kadavour

    not 1, not 2, not 3, not 4, not 5, not 6, not 7…

  • http://cnbc.com JTaylor21

    Please keep all those 2K crap out of this section. This place is reserved for the “LeBrick will never win a ring, LeBum sucks in the clutch, LeBron’s overrated” crowd. The first person to come up with the first rehashed, overused LeBron joke wins a $100 and a ticket to see Rochelle Rochelle.

  • 23

    I agree with slam on this choice

  • http://slamonline.com nbk

    These Haters are Right. LeBron Sucks. I mean look how good Cleveland was without him. I mean look how Chicago forced Dwyane Wade to beat them by himself in the ECF. LeBron is such a bum

  • AD

    Megatron when did you set the draft?

  • Jono

    Thought it was gonna be Brian Scalabrine :(

  • Jono

    Why are you shoes so fu(king expensive LeBron? And why do you have so many colourways? I can only afford 2, not 15!

  • http://www.slamonline.com/online/category/blogs/farmer-jones/ Ryan Jones

    Yeah, but “The Decision” tho. He totally blew that, right?

  • http://slamonline.com nbk

    Ben that was a really really good article man.

  • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RevcwSUnpxk&feature=related Shecky Shabazz

    @Jono clearly we were on the same page, but when I saw Kwame “Stone Hands” Brown wasn’t number two I knew the White Mamba wasn’t gonna make it…

  • http://slamonline.com nbk

    He has blown enough in the last year to be considered a prostitute. But he’s still better then everyone else.

  • MUBWAR

    king james at the throne. sit tight, the rings will come.

  • AT33

    At this point in time, DWade is better than Kobe. Put DWade at the 3rd spot!!!

  • Jono

    @Shecky Shabazz LOL! Best nickname ever for our favourite pillsbury doughboy :)

  • meloman2.0

    Melo>Durant. He proves it every time they match up

  • 23

    Hating lebron is going to be “The Fad”for this decade. Ehhh I’ve never been into fads. I’m not a follower, I think for myself. ESPN & SLAM are great for basketball news and entertainment, but my opinion on players is based solely on what I see on the court. And not just 1 series can change every I’ve witnessed the past 8 years

  • http://offthebackboard.wordpress.com/ Off The Backboard

    Lebron is a great player. I hate him, but unlike people who could never accept that Kobe was the best player in the league during his prime years (06-08) and made excuses about him, I will readily admit that Lebron is the best player in the game, flaws and all. And yes, it is scary that he has at least 6-7 more elite years left in him, barring injury. It could perhaps be more depending on how he takes care of his body in his 30s as his athleticism fades. I don’t wish for him to win a ring (because I can’t stand the guy), but he is a hell of a talent. It is a blast arguing about his failures every playoffs though – its almost like a spring ritual! But seriously – well deserved.

  • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4C1DVoMJoEI Shecky Shabazz

    @Jono we are all witnesses
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4C1DVoMJoEI

  • MUBWAR

    Hating Lebron is the fad just as hating Kobe was the fad from 2004-2009. He’ll be hated and mocked until he actually wins a ring, because that’s how players become justified. Like it or not, if you’re going to call yourself the “King” and have your fanbase refer to you in the same way, you better have some legit hardware to back that up. Anything but a Finals trophy with an MVP performance is not going to make the haters go away. Actually, even then, he’ll have to win MULTIPLE (a la Jordan or Kobe without Shaq) to shut people up.

  • jarrett

    whatever. This list lost all credibility with Dwade at #5.

  • http://www.slamonline.com UNFROZEN CAVEMAN LAWYER

    FAR AND AWAY THE BEST PLAYER IN THE MULTIVERSE. NOT EVEN CLOSE IN ANY WAY, SHAPE, OR FORM. I EXPECT BIG THINGS FROM HIM AND MIAMI IN THE NEXT FEW YEARS. DAMMIT!!!! I WISH DWADE WAS A COUPLE YEARS YOUNGER. ITS OK THOUGH, CUZ WHEN DWADE GETS ‘TOO OLD’ HE CAN JUST PLAY THE POINT AND PUNISH EVERYONE. LEBRON WILL BE MVP AND FINALS MVP(MAYBE MANU) NEXT SEASON.

  • http://www.offthebackboard.wordpress.com Off The Backboard

    The comment at 2:12 was made by me, not Mubwar. WTF SLAM, fix your site.

  • http://www.bulls.com Enigmatic

    I mean, how can anyone say he’s NOT the best player in the L right now?

  • http://www.nba.com showtime

    Well This was very Obvious, to see , but do wish slam would keep jackin up & had him at the two…it would been good laugh( because this was the best year to do it) but ehh

  • http://www.optimabbc.be Max

    Only reason for posting the 2 at the same time is, they dont want to take shine away from SCAL on the cover.

  • manu

    this list is totally wrong

    #1 no one cuz the league is watered down
    #2 still can’t think of any1
    #3 dirk
    #4 howard
    #5 paul
    #6 kobe

  • http://www.slamonline.com Eboy

    My man. Now win a fuc*ing title and quiet the rest of the ho’s. Thanks.

  • 23

    A championship ring signifies a team accomplishment. When it comes to great teammates, I’d say lebron is definitely somewhere say the top of the list! And his individual greatness can’t be denied

  • http://www.slamonline.com Eboy

    Oh yeah…and if Chris decides he’s going to go all Aunt Esther after losing a big game this season, smack him in the fu*cking face. Thanks again.

  • http://www.slamonline.com Megatron

    @AD draft is monday night

  • http://www.slamonline.com UNFROZEN CAVEMAN LAWYER

    EBOY IS AN IMPATIENT LIL BASTARD.

  • JR

    Lebron’s great. He probably wont win the seven titles he promised (to many good players/teams in the league) but if anyone can come close to that mark in this era, it’s definitely him.

  • http://slamonline.com AllBall

    Really, it’s not even close. This was probably the easiest spot to rank.

  • http://www.bulls.com Enigmatic

    LeBron’s trying to recruit Steve Nash now?
    Damn. When does it end? lol

  • http://www.twitter.com/nflem41 Nicolas Fleming

    If you don’t like this list, that’s cool, but you’re still going to wake up tomorrow and your opinion still isn’t going to matter, or something like that..

  • http://www.bulls.com Enigmatic

    AND Jamal Crawford?

  • http://www.optimabbc.be Max

    /watch?feature=player_embedded&v=eAsct-raysk
    Absolutly dominating in europe!
    Showing once more why he is the GOAT!

  • BAWSE

    While he looks great when he is dunking and beating up inferior opponents, LEBRON always chokes when it matters most. He is the Peyton Manning of basketball. To the average fan and espn watcher they both look great and their numbers are great. BUT if you watch them in big games in the playoffs or finals(superbowls), they CHOKE. How are you the best player and a survey of your peers about who they want to have the ball the last second in a game and YOU DO NOT CRACK THE TOP 5 LIST??? That is the Lebron anomoly. Sorry but honestly Kobe should be number 1, KD number 2 and LeChoke number 3.

  • ko23

    CP3 is better than D Rose and at this point D Wade is better than Kobe

  • http://www.bulls.com Enigmatic

    Y’all see Skip Brainless and Stephen A. Smith’s top 5′s?
    No LeBron in sight.
    Haters…

  • http://www.slamonline.com Eboy

    If Lebron is recruiting on Twitter, the players already know there’s a deal close.

  • http://bulls.com airs

    hands down, best player in the L.
    but manu’s list seems to be the most well thought out one.
    maybe i’ll go with that.

  • http://bulls.com airs

    i really have to stop trying to be sarcastic online, it doesn’t read well.

  • http://slamonline.com nbk

    BAWSE why don’t you look at who is actually most productive over the last 5 minutes of a game, rather then relying on the opinion of some dudes who have only played Kobe a maximum of 12 times since he was in his 20′s? 4 times a year these guys see each other, they don’t have time to watch their peers play unless it is an off-day (and really you think they are seriously watching NBA games on their off-days?) There is a reason teams rely on scouts and analysts over their own players opinions.

  • http://www.twitter.com/nflem41 Nicolas Fleming

    My comment was funny and I crave attention. I’m a narcissist. Please feed into me. I also haven’t slept in two days and drank 3 Monsters today.

  • http://slamonline.com Ben Osborne

    @Nicolas Fleming: very funny.

  • http://www.slamonline.com house

    Lebron for all his physical tools and skill set is still a team-stacking prima-donna who chokes when it counts. Number One player in the League? Laughable.

  • http://www.bulls.com Enigmatic

    I’m not feeding your overgrown ego until you put out that “Tot He Diaries” blog like you promised, Fleming!

  • http://www.bulls.com Enigmatic

    LeBron haters are funny.

  • http://www.twitter.com/nflem41 Nicolas Fleming

    Ha, thanks Ben.

  • http://cnbc.com JTaylor21

    When did Bron become Pat Riley and Mickey Arison?

  • http://bulls.com airs

    wheres @maniac at?
    is it cuz i shut his a*s down in 2k last night?

  • http://redoftoothandclaw.ca/ niQ

    Where are you guys reading these recruiting news? Twitter? le sigh..maybe it’s time I made an account.

  • http://www.twitter.com/nflem41 Nicolas Fleming

    For my first real comment of the day, not counting the one on “Through the Wire,” I hated LeBron.
    Actually, it was a process.
    I loved the kid as a Jr. in high school, could care less about the jersey thing or the Hummer, I mean who hasn’t gotten a Hummer from Gloria? Right, Delonte?
    But thought he was overhyped and no way he could live up to the potential, but he damn-neear eclipsed the hype and had one of the best rookie seasons ever, although I still think Melo and he should have been Co-ROY, but I digress.
    And I was amazed by what he could do with the rock and loved how hard he played, even won a pair of Olympic kicks from SLAM because of a contest post I wrote about Lebron’s passion.
    Remember that errant oop from Boobie Gibson that James nearly killed himself on?
    The polarization for me came when it was Kobe or LeBron. I had to pick and I had to choose Kobe.
    People seem to forget that this wasn’t Lebron’s fault. Sports writers, fans, bloggers, whatever, we are always trying to pick favorites and compare players, even RANK them!
    But then LeBron didn’t do what Kobe did, he didn’t have a post game, he didn’t shoot a million jumpers in the rain after a loss, dammit he cried.
    All the while we forget LeBron is still raw. He’s not as savvy as he’s going to be, he’s not as good as he’s going to be, not in total.
    After the decision, after hearing everyone hate him, it became clear, LeBron the basketball player and Lebron the everyhting-that-is-wrong-with-professional-sports prototype were not one and the same.
    The kid went to go make millions with his friends and play an extremely high level of basketball.
    Nah, they didn’t win their first year, but a lot of experts didn’t think they would get past the Celtics or the Bulls.
    My Maverick squad, who I have been suffering with since they drafter Loren Meyer, outlasted this juggernaut of a basketball team and LeBron didn’t play great in the Finals.
    But my how short-sighted we are. He dominated every series of the playoffs excpet for the Finals and carried Wade all the way there.
    No, LeBron isn’t Kobe, no he doesn’t have any rings but he is definitively the best basketball player in the NBA.

  • http://slamonline.com nbk

    yeah Twitter. And airs, probably.

  • http://slamonline.com nbk

    Fleming pulls a gem of a comment out of left field.

  • http://www.optimabbc.be Max

    Airs what was the score?

  • http://bulls.com airs

    nah not from left field, flemings dope …at…commenting..haha
    @max 108-84
    that was after he had a 14 point lead in the first

  • http://www.slamonline.com Eboy

    Maniac must have had Spo coaching his squad.

  • http://www.optimabbc.be Max

    So he plays like the Heat?
    Jk Heat fans

  • http://slamonline.com nbk

    I meant I didn’t expect Fleming to say something serious at all at this point in the thread. – Dude’s always funny, check his twitter out.

  • http://www.twitter.com/nflem41 Nicolas Fleming

    If this whole lockout thing lasts far into the season can we get Adam to do the post up of our NBA 2K12 games? Those stat lines would be silly.

  • http://www.bulls.com Enigmatic

    Fleming does his damn thing on Twitter.
    E, you join the league?

  • http://nba.com GP23

    Damn. LeBron is calling out Nash and Crawford to join the Heat.

  • http://www.bulls.com Enigmatic

    Maybe he do know something we don’t…

  • http://bulls.com airs

    those stats would be ridic,
    KD had 29 and westbrook dropped 40 for me last night.
    and my team had something like a billion steals or so.

  • chingy

    Nashty on the Heat would be absolutely unfair. But i’d be happy for Nash.

  • http://www.bulls.com Enigmatic

    I have a feeling airs is gonna absolutely murk me when we go head up.
    Especially since I took your Bulls, lol.

  • http://nba.com GP23

    Nash should go to the Heat.. he deserves a ring more than anyone in the league.

  • http://bulls.com airs

    i gotta stop simming games, they’re screwin me over.
    matic, did you make that reservation for like, 20 minutes from now or was that the computer, haha?
    cuz im down.

  • Ouse

    How many playoff failures will it take for Bron to be knocked off the top spot?

  • http://nba.com GP23

    Nash at the point, with crawford as the 6th man. I smell a ring going to South Beach.

  • http://bulls.com airs

    oh nvm i read it wrong, thats sunday.
    i got you

  • http://bulls.com airs

    wow, i actually just looked back on those stats
    westbook- 40,5,13 and 6 stls.
    durant- 31, 9, 11 and 7 stls
    ibaka- 12, 14 and 4 stls.
    daeeeyumm

  • http://www.bulls.com Enigmatic

    Yeah, hey what time does it say for you?
    Cause for me it’s noon I think, but hopefully for you it says 3 since we’re 3 hours away.
    Otherwise you’re gonna be waiting at noon for you when it’s 9 for me and I’ll still be in bed…or maybe chur…nah, I’ll still be in bed.

  • http://bulls.com airs

    yeah it says at 3.
    if you’re free anytime earlier just lemme know

  • http://slamonline.com nbk

    So their is a team in my basketball league that talked hella sh*t about how they would beat us in the preseason. SO far this year we are 2-0 against them. SO one of the dudes on their team is a salesman for the gym, he just gave Mike Bibby a free membership to run with his squad. lol

  • http://www.bulls.com Enigmatic

    No lie, Soop?
    I seen you tweet that but I assumed someone in your online league traded for Mike Bibby or something, lol.
    One time some of my dudes played a pickup game with Joakim Noah.
    He was mad cool, went easy on them…or he was high…or both, but he chilled with them afterwards, took pics, chopped it up with them and all that.

  • http://slamonline.com nbk

    Oh I been playin with Bibby in pick up games and stuff like that since I was good enough (like summer before senior year of HS) – He is pretty much a d*ck on the court. Off it he’s cool. But yeah this team is pretty motivated to beat us. We beat them with a buzzer beater 3 last meeting, they stalled for the last 4 minutes up 1 and 1 turnover & 2 threes later and buzzzzzz gametime. Another disappointment for those dudes lol

  • http://www.slamonline.com Eboy

    Did I ever tell you guys the time when White Hot Eboy went toe to toe with the real life Whit Eboy in the summer of 2006? I wrote it here before, but that was funny as f*ck.

  • http://ZOGS.COM ZOGS

    KOBE WILL WIN ONE MORE DIS YEAR AND YA’LL (INCLUDING SLAM) WILL BE RIDING ON HIS 6 RINGED MAMBA C*0CK!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  • http://www.bulls.com Enigmatic

    Good to see Bibby goes back home though.
    Since Mario Chalmers got drafted by Miami, he just comes up to Anchorage for like 3 days out the year and that’s it.
    Boozer, same thing. Lives in Miami so he just goes to Juneau for like 3 days for his youth camp and then bonces.
    LOL it’s Alaska or Miami, can’t say I blame them.

  • http://slamonline.com nbk

    CLOCK? CROCK? COOK?

  • http://www.bulls.com Enigmatic

    Do tell, Eboy.
    Hi ZOGS.

  • http://slamonline.com nbk

    Bibby normally comes back and runs one of the 3 LA Fitnesses. Apparently he finalized realized there is a better gym. But this salesman is a dummy. You think Bibby really cares about $90 a Month (what his membership would have been)? You gave it too him for free, and you work for commission, and the lockout will end and he will only play 1 game, was that smart?

  • Jer Dawg

    Lebron is awesome, I take nothing away from his ability as a basketball player. He would make everything easy for his teammates. He’ll hit open man, he’s willing to defend, and can score.
    He just hasn’t put it all together all these years, yet. He’s great complete player. #1 is right, even though I hate to admit it. Entitled Los Angelino here.

  • Armando

    1-8 are so close there can be made an argument for every player as the best. LeBron might be the best skills wise, but I don’ agree he’s far ahead if ahead at all… his most obvious stats are impressive, but apart from the sexy ppg, rpg, apg, spg and highlight reel blocks and dunks, his outside shot is still inconsistent, he’s often passive off the ball, unreliable in the clutch, no post game…

  • http://www.nba.com/2011/news/features/steve_aschburner/10/27/lockout-q-and-a-kevin-murphy/index.html Allenp

    Man, I played against the CPU last night, and the Timberwolves were smoking me.
    Then I left the association, switched the level to Hall of Fame, and beat the CPU two out of three times playing the Magic and Knicks.
    Something ain’t right. The T-Wolves were hitting every jumper they took!
    Oh well, maybe Enigmatic is bad enough that I can beat him and feel better. But probably not.

  • http://slamonline.com nbk

    I read that Rookie plays the most like real life. (In terms of shooting %, and non-perfect/defense/shooting/offensive execution). I never actually tried it though, I just play on Superstar or HOF.

  • http://www.bulls.com Enigmatic

    Allen, trust, I’m not that good on that game.
    I’m 2-0 cause I simmed the two games against the CPU to make sure I could play against you.

  • http://www.bulls.com Enigmatic

    I personally like Pro.
    I feel like n Superstar or HOF your team’s turnovers and the other team’s blocks and steals are too off the charts.

  • http://slamonline.com nbk

    What schedule type did you do Matic?

  • gakbrenti

    d-will in big 10? questionable…

  • http://www.bulls.com Enigmatic

    You mean like slow or fast or whatever?
    I did slow. So peeps could do their other, real world stuff.
    Allen, I made you an admin, BTW.
    JTaylor too.

  • http://www.bulls.com Enigmatic

    Or do you mean games?
    82

  • buccetz714

    Slam has been on Lebron’s Dick since 01′. That being said How is Dirk not the best player?????????????????????????????????????????????????? I see Slam is all about the regular season SMH!!!!!!!!

  • wishuwould247

    Lebron not even the best player on his team! C’mon SLAM!!!

  • http://slamonline.com nbk

    Yeah I meant the speed of the league. I almost set it too fast before I realized what that meant. Our league is at Normal I believe cuz I thought with Slow you’d catch up pretty quick and have to wait for two weeks or whatever it is for the schedule to advance

  • http://slamonline.com Allenp

    Enigmatic
    So when we gonna play the game? I think I have it scheduled for today but I didn’t check this morning to see if you accepted it.

  • Check

    Rose better than d wade…Hell naw, wade is a wayyy better defender, better blocker, better rebounder…Offense I would still take wade over rose because wade is good from all over the floor.He might not be good from three but he knows that n dont jack up dumb shot like d rose…

  • Myles Brown

    I didn’t vote, so I won’t complain. I also won’t complain because this is correct.

  • http://cnbc.com JTaylor21

    AllenP, I’m not going to be available at 8:45. How bout tomorrow at 1:15pm?

  • http://slamonline.com nbk

    wth are y’all doin to be available at 1:15PM, sh*t I wish I had a schedule like that.

  • http://www.bulls.com Enigmatic

    Allen, as luck would have it I stayed home sick today (or unluck, since I was puking this morning).
    So I’ll be available anytime after about an hour from now, gotta pick up my daughter at school (no days off as a parent).

  • http://www.bulls.com Enigmatic

    And the Clippers just smashed me, EJ had like 20 points in the first quarter.
    They’re still undefeated in our league, SMH

  • Toivo Asheeke

    Okay so here is my beef. Firstly the rankings should be like this. 1. Kobe 2. LeBron 3. Dwight Howard 4. D Wade 5. Kevin Durant. I say all this from a talent, accomplishment, and team success standpoint. Derrick Rose is not a top 5 player in the league. He won the MVP award the same way Steve Nash twice did it and Nowitski did it once. He was the best player on the best team but come on those dudes when they won were never as good as Kobe. He is a great talent don’t get me wrong but defensively he is not elite of a talent and even offensively he is not a great talent outside of his athletic ability. Now…. for Kobe to be number one yes I know it is an issue because right now LeBron can just do more than he can because of age. But come on basketball is more about physical attributes, mentality is important and Kobe is a winner because he refuses to lose. He had a bad playoffs no doubt but he is more skilled than LeBron and he has a will of steel plus 5 rings to back it up. LeBron has not won anything yet and until he does or unless Kobe has a huge dip in production next year he can not be number one. He is better than Wade but only because of his physical attributes and his health, a healthy Wade is a better player than LeBron. What ya’ll think?

  • http://slamonline.com nbk

    ^ So what your saying is, you don’t understand how these rankings work…..

  • http://cnbc.com JTaylor21

    I’m a different kind of cat, not on that 9-5 ish. I work mostly at night.

  • http://www.bulls.com Enigmatic

    I think I just wasted 30 seconds reading your comment

  • http://cnbc.com JTaylor21

    Ernie Johnson dropped 20 in the 1st qtr on you? Damn…Enigmatic, you really suck!

  • http://slamonline.com nbk

    I would like to work mostly at night. And at home.

  • http://slamonline.com Allenp

    I won’t be available. I work during the day. Regular schedule on central time.

  • http://slamonline.com Allenp

    I will hit you up enigmatic when I get home from work.

  • http://www.bulls.com Enigmatic

    @JTaylor – LOL, Eric Gordon. Although Ernie Johnson could probably whoop me too.
    “And for my neat-o stat of the night…I f*cked up that kid Rigo by like 50 points on 2k12!”
    @AllenP – No problem.
    BTW, if it says I’m online it doesn’t always mean I’M online, my two year old boy and 6 year old girl like to Bogart the PS3 at times. lol

  • http://cnbc.com JTaylor21

    How bout this weekend, either Sat or Sunday?

  • truthteller

    It’s amazing how things change. ONce upon a time, Kobe was the most hated and Lebron was loved, especially on this site. Now it looks like things have changed and LeBron is the most hated. Amazing!Well Lebron fans, enjoy the hate the same way kobe fans enjoyed the hate!

  • Louis

    WHAT ABOUT KWAME??!????

  • BG23

    everyone here knows lebrons the best and can’t nobody question that ;)

  • chingy

    Can some of you guys comment on the diff between 2k11 and 2k12 in terms of gameplay (I know all about the legends stuff..seems like that’s all the reviews are focusing on)? I’m trying to justify buying 2k12.

  • http://slamonline.com nbk

    New Collision System. New Dribble System. Create-A-Jumper. New Post System. Basically the gameplay is upgraded everywhere. But if you don’t take your time and learn the controls (do the training camp first thing when you buy the game) you’ll get frustrated with the turnovers and being dominated by the CPU. But once you do that training camp the whole opens up. It’s a lot like 2k11 in that it has a lot of bugs the Dev Team needs to patch, and like 2k11 once they fix the problem this game will make last years game seem half-assed

  • Heals

    Chingy, more depth to gameplay and when playing the cpu the game is more active (mentally and with fingers). More nuance to plays. Cause and effect: if you half-a$$ a couple plays you’re going to pay so don’t be lazy. Reliving (depending on your age) NBA greatest. It’s just cool pick and rolling with Stock and Malone, PEwing simply kills it with JStarks, Kob and Diesel. Even though they are just one game I trully underestimated how much fun it is play as these guys digitally (the arenas are awesome). I love being up 4 with no 3pt line type stuff. I have only played 1 game with current teams and haven’t touched my player yet. nbk is spot on about some little hiccups that will have you cursing HOF’s at the top of your lungs every now and again, but it’s cool. I’d reccommend playing with shotstick-timing on and not real-form though (opposite for FT’s). So many old-timers have odd (to me) deliveries that you waste time being frustrated about missed bunnies instead of learning how to play…

  • Heals

    Chingy, more depth to gameplay and when playing the cpu the game is more active (mentally and with fingers). More nuance to plays. Cause and effect: if you half-a$$ a couple plays you’re going to pay so don’t be lazy. Reliving (depending on your age) NBA greatest. It’s just cool pick and rolling with Stock and Malone, PEwing simply kills it with JStarks, Kob and Diesel. Even though they are just one game I trully underestimated how much fun it is play as these guys digitally (the arenas are awesome). I love being up 4 with no 3pt line type stuff. I have only played 1 game with current teams and haven’t touched my player yet. nbk is spot on about some little hiccups that will have you cursing HOF’s at the top of your lungs every now and again, but it’s cool. I’d reccommend playing with shotstick-timing on and not real-form though (opposite for FT’s). So many old-timers have odd (to me) deliveries that you waste time being frustrated about missed bunnies instead of learning how to play…

  • http://www.kb24.com The Seed

    To be honest, Slam missed the mark on ranking him number 1. Just because you put up stats during the regular season does not make you number one. Lebron played with Wade. You put Rose with Wade or Lebron, they have a title. I truly believe Wade and Lebron should take a hit for choking the NBA finals away. When did basketball take on the everybody wins soccer mentality, where is everybody is a winner and gets a trophy. THE BEST PLAYER SUPPOSED IN THE NBA CANNOT CHOKE THE FINALS AWAY AND BE NUMBER ONE RANKED IN ANY LIST. I honestly can say Lebron choked his way to me, from being anybody’s favorite player. I would love to ask BEN OSBORNE, really what do you like about his game. He is not a pure shooter, or scorer, passes all right, doesn’t play great defense, is out of control alot of times and shrinks in big moments. Sounds like HYPE. I can’t wait till 5 years from now and when he wins no rings, People will be saying he is the greatest regular season player ever-stat wise. Sounds like Dan Marino or in Lebron case–Warren Moon BOOK IT!!!

  • Heals

    And then there were none. It was an interesting countdown and probably an excellent diversion for those of us trying to cope with the lockout. I’d love to know if there were more comments this year than in years past. On a similar note I’d love to see some SLAMonline stats for the definitive rankings, i.e.: who got in the most arguments, who came up more LeBron, Rose or Kobe, how many personal lists were created, was there 100% agreeance on any player’s ranking, etc. All in all props to SLAM and all the diverse commentor POV’s that helped me kill time…

  • http://www.facebook.com/#!/joe.l.brewer3 BlackPhantom

    Leave it to none other than The Seed to argue ranking him number 1. I mean, sure ranking him number 1 was kinda hard on my part since he wasn’t very good in the Finals at all but…..c’mon, he’s the most well-rounded player in the L. He still deserves number #1. Now if we’re looking at like a year or two later and he STILL hasn’t won…..then we got ourselves a problem.

  • http://slamonline.com LakeShow

    Most boring day on Slam, the day No.1 and No.2 are released. Who woulda thought… Please start the NBA season. My body is out of wack from not spending hours on the bean bag watching ball. Ugh…

  • robb

    I think it’s fair. For me it should be 5. KD, 4. Dwight, 3. Kobe/Wade, 2. Wade/Kobe 1. LBJ. Lebron is the best right now, yes he chokes at the end, but he’s the most complete player, great court vision, great athleticism, strong, fast, good defender, etc etc. I always considered myself a hater, but even haters must realize this guy is the No. 1. Kobe is the most skilled but overall Lebron is no. 1

  • http://www.facebook.com/joe.l.brewer3 BlackPhantom

    Agree with robb 100%

  • booya

    Lebron is the best player in the NBA, sure he didnt play so good 3 games in the Finals, but overall the entire year he has been the most productive and dominant and the most consistant player.

    He had 500+ MVP votes, Wade had only 24, Kobe had less, Dirk had less.

    He was on 1st all-NBA team and 1st All-Defensive team, Wade and Dirk were not.

    He led the league in PER, once again was the most productive player in the NBA.

    He went from a team (Cavs) that was #1 in the NBA and they immediately became the worst team in the NBA simply without him.

    He went to a mediocre/bad team (Heat) who has not won a playoff series since 2006… and they immediately went to the Finals….

    THAT IS WHAT I CALL IMPACT… LEBRON HAS BEEN OVERALL THE BEST THE ENTIRE YEAR

  • http://www.washingtonpost.com/sports/wizards/a-quick-guide-to-the-issues-of-the-nba-lockout/2011/10/11/gIQAon1ZbL_story.html unf*ckwitable

    Only top ten rank that Slam got right.

  • http://gmail.com z

    Lol @ the lebron fans acting like everyone would have their panties in a bunch over this the way you guys do whenever kob gets ANY credit. Kobe fans have had 2 deal with constant hate for a solid decade (often from you guys) ya’ll better get used to the hate and not let it bother you so much (cuz brons gonna be the best and thus most hated playa for a few years yet). Unlike the kobe haters, I actually DO wanna see the player I don’t like be the best he can be and thus far bron hasn’t delivered with all due respect. He’s the most talented player in the league, has POTENTIAL to be the GOAT and needs to start living upto that potential asap. Because if he retires without at least 5 rings I will consider him an underachiever.
    Jtaylor raised an interesting point the other day (unlike kobe haters I’m not so blinded by hate that I’m unable to recognize valid points regarding the object of my scorn) when he said that bron didn’t shrink from the big stage last june. He missed some shots in game 2 and seemingly lost all faith in his ability to make shots. Honestly, I find that lack of self-confidence from the game’s best player pretty vexing (and worrisome going forward). Like, I just can’t see $ or young $ losing their confidence after a few missed shots and shrinking on the big stage as a result. In fact I KNOW those two wouldn’t have done that bc I watched em both shoot their teams out of lotsa games, and you know what? I felt a lot more confident in their ability to bounce back than I feel about bron as of right now. He just doesn’t seem as mean on court as $ and kob yknow? *also I really wanna kno what eboy was talking about with him and white chocolate in summer of 06

  • uli

    if you call a merely solid three-pointer and an (it is indeed that) awesome abilty to drive and finish at the rim an almost perfect skill set, what do Kobe, KD, Russell Westbrook, DRose, Monta Ellis or Dwayde have? Super-uber skill sets? Lebron is one of the best of his generation but he choked terribly when it has gotten really important. It hurts to see this much potential and all he does is driving and shooting threes. He might have more playoff wins that MJ, but he also has a lot more seasons under his belt and even by the age of twenty-six, MJ had a post game and a skill set that Lebron will probably never have as he relies way too much on his physical talents than on his skill.

  • uli

    lebron is the best player in the league right now because others (Kobe,KD,DRose) have either regressed or not reached their full potential yet.

  • Maniac

    Whew! Got a lot done today. Yeah airs bust my a$$ yesterday lmao. That’s the one thing i hate about basketball video games though… they’re video games. It’s good though because it seemed like KD and Russ had NO FAITGUE lmao. Those two took 65 shots together! Thats exactly equal to my top 6 scorers all together! We’ll see about that next time though. I owe you one. Good s*** though because i thought it was over when i had you down by 16. Made me look like a clown lol. I seeletting the superstars take all the shots is how you do it lol.

  • http://sdfklf.com Jukai

    Ben, I love you, you’re my boy… but I’ve been harping on the “definitive” title since day 1. That’s a bit unfair I get no love here. I was the original dbag.

  • http://bulls.com airs

    haha, dude i was getting p*ssed in the first quarter.
    you hit like EVERYTHING.
    my only tip, learn how to break the full court press bro!

  • http://www.bulls.com Enigmatic

    My game froze as I was about to play Allen, then had to turn the PS3 off and back on cause it was frozen for a good 10 minutes
    . Turn it back on and caught an L. WTF?
    Then I tried to play the Kings (cpu) and got blown out by like 50.
    SMH this league is gonna suck for me…

  • HOopER

    this is the only 3 peat he’ll get

  • Maniac

    Lmao you were pi$$ed in the first quarter and I was pi$$ed every minute after. Yeah that press was killing me. I had enough turnovers for a full season. The Lakers are slow and old. I got something in store for the league in the coming days though.

  • Maniac

    Yeah Matic Superstar is no joke lmao. I played 2K11 for HOF a lot, but this is just not fair. I can somewhat handle the CPU on All-Star on 2K12, but anything above that is like the CPU in a lay-up line.

  • Seven Duece

    Honestly, I don’t see how you can be a real baller (or black) and hate lebron.

  • http://www.slamonline.com big_ticket

    lebron is still number 1,nothing new,lebron just needs the rings to cement as GOAT…

  • http://slamonline.com Allenp

    Man the computer is ridiculous on here. And I don’t understand why my team doesn’t control the defensive glass or challenge shots with the shot clock winding down.

  • Mark-David

    after his choke? after his selfish decision to join miami? top 5 material for sure but after this horrid season he had defs not number 1

  • josh

    Wow! look at the top 15. With the exception of Kobe, Dirk, Pau and maybe Amar’e that is a YOUNG group. The L is in good hands, too bad this lockout is robbing us of what should be a new golden era.

  • Ballislove

    Like I said, haters hate the best

  • http://slamonline.com Myles Brown

    LULZ @AllenP. You can’t handle the truth.

  • http://www.triplejunearthed.com/dacre Dacre

    If Nash goes to the Heat…and they get the ring…does he get season MVP PLUS finals MVP…!??!?!?
    O_O
    ^_^
    :)

  • http://www.triplejunearthed.com/dacre Dacre

    Allenp – make sure you tweak your defensive mindset for every one on the court…auto isn’t enough…set to tight defines and make sure your controlling your best rebounder (if your good at timing contests for boards).
    I would so quickly join this 2k12 league (and request the Suns!!) but I aint online for xbox,.

  • Milan W

    Im sorry but seriously Chris Paul is a better PG that Derrick Rose… there is no flaw in his game, he is the perfect PG, sets the tone on D and O. If only he had a better supporting cast he would have to suffer as much.

  • http://www.bulls.com Enigmatic

    We got a Ps3 league.
    And I TOLD y’all to do it in Pro or All-Star but everyone wanted HOF.
    Y’all cray.
    Superstar is hard as a mother.
    Kings out rebounded the Bulls like 50 to 30.
    WYF?

  • http://www.bulls.com Enigmatic

    Damn, JTaylor managed to get the CPU to accept a trade of Gilbert Arenas and Ryan Anderson for Manu Ginobili and Richard Jefferson.
    LOL the CPU was stupid on that one!

  • Lz – Cphfinest3

    This is a great reg. season ranking. Until proven otherwise Dirk is easily No. 1 when it matters.

  • Maniac

    Yeah I saw that lol. Sweet move. Cleared the books a little more to recover from when D12 leaves him next year. The freaking cpu takes so long to respond to a trade offer!!!

  • Maniac

    Lmao no one is going to make the playoffs Matic.

  • Maniac

    And I’m off to a freakin’ 0-3 start! I’m not playing another game until my roster gets a SUPREME makeover…

  • https://plus.google.com/photos/106403650426394352312/albums/posts davidR

    who’s got 2k12 for xbox?

  • http://www.bulls.com Enigmatic

    I’ll trade you Boozer for Kobe

  • https://plus.google.com/photos/106403650426394352312/albums/posts davidR

    also, any of you guys try “my player?” that isht is seriously bugged when it comes to the CPU handling trades.
    i created a pg that plays all around.
    got drafted by the pacers with the 15th pick.
    eventually took over the starting pg slot from collison.
    and then through the course of the season my team proceeds to trade: hibbert, granger, psycho-t, collison, tj ford, paul george
    for: jrich, kyle lowry, devin harris, wilson chandler, barbosa.
    what the f******ck?!
    my team now has about 9 perimeter players, and my big man rotation consists of josh mcroberts at center with jeff foster off the bench, and wilson chandler playing PF.
    for some reason, we also average 50+ assists a game, 20 steals a game, and shoot 56% from deep.

  • Maniac

    DEAl!!!

  • Maniac

    Fisher for Rose :) … More experience for your young team

  • Maniac

    LMAO @ davidR … 2K11 made pretty stupid trades too

  • http://www.bulls.com Enigmatic

    @Maniac – Ha! Man, I been waiting for FOREVER for two deals to hopefully go through.
    I’m trying to get either Aaron Aaflalo from the Nuggets or T-Mac from the Pistons.
    @DavidR- Yeah, man.
    I was drafted by the Jazz and played a few games for them, then requested a trade, and got traded to the Heat and I noticed Chris Bosh was gone.
    Apparently, the Heat traded Chris Bosh to the Jazz for my player, a rookie PG with a rating of 62.
    Played against the Bulls, and they had traded Loul Deng for Al Horford and were starting a frontcourt of Noah, Horford and Boozer. Lol
    I’ve seen a team trade away all their frontcourt players so all they have are 1′s and 2′s, it’s crazy.

  • Maniac

    If things go my way in these 3 trades, my starting five would be: CP3, Kobe, Iggy, David Lee, & Bynum. I think I can pull them off lol. That lineup would devour the league in real life lol.

  • http://www.bulls.com Enigmatic

    How the hell? Who you trying to trade for CP3?

  • Maniac

    Gasol, Blake, first round pick in 2012, & first round pick in 13 for CP3 & Jarret Jack…. Odom, Artest, Walton, & second round pick in 12 for Iggy, Louie Williams, & Tony Battie…. If they go through then: Louie Williams, Jarret Jack, Tony Battie, & Trey Johnson or second round in 13 for David Lee… Dumbass CPU might actually make me borderline unstoppable lol

  • http://www.bulls.com Enigmatic

    Man, my Bulls need a 2 but don’t have the pieces to trade for a really good two.
    After Kobe and Wade, the talent dropoff there is drastic.
    Thought about a Joe Johnson for Carlos Boozer trade, but Boozer’s the only dude on my squad who’s been able to score consistently.
    SMH

  • http://bulls.com airs

    for real….this computer difficulty setting is bonkers.
    i played HOF on 2k11 no problem, i dont get it.
    every 3 pointer thats SOMEWHAT open, they’ll hit.
    and yeah @allenp, im getting out rebounded every damn game.
    i just play a half and sim to the end and hope for the best hah

  • Maniac

    I like Monta’s game

  • http://www.bulls.com Enigmatic

    Monta’s dope, but I’ve never liked undersized backcourts.
    That’s why I was glad when the Bulls traded Ben Gordon.
    But man, do I need more scoring.
    And apparently rebounding…

  • Maniac

    Yeah i see where you’re coming from (I never really liked Ben Gordon anyway lol). What about Captain Jack lol? … Everyone needs rebounding on this level lol

  • http://cnbc.com JTaylor21

    Yeah, the rebounding is messed up. I’m a 7ft big in my association and the guy is athletic as hell (95 vert and 96 reb) but I’ll be lucky to grab more than 8rbs in a game. Just the other day I played the Heat and Undonis Freaking Haslem was snatching boards over me left and right. Haslem is freaking 6-8, sheeeeeeeit just imagine what DHow will do when we match up.

  • http://www.bulls.com Enigmatic

    That’s a possibility.
    Got no one I can really give up tho.
    Don’t wanna lose Deng, Noah, Boozer or of course Rose.

  • http://www.bulls.com Enigmatic

    And how about the turnovers???
    My guy in My Player is a point guard playing for the Heat, averaging 5 turnovers a game in like 22 minutes.
    I don’t even bother trying to pass the ball on a two on one or even a three on one fastbreak anymore cause that one guy on defense will find a way to snatch my pass out of thin air.
    Thing is, this game is hella fun on the lower difficulties, but in Superstar and HOF you’re gonna get smashed.

  • http://www.slamonline.com house

    @Enigmatic Boozer is a consistent scorer? why does this not carry over into rl? smh :(

  • http://www.bulls.com Enigmatic

    @house – I have no idea! But he currently has the season high with like 44 points. SMH

  • k man

    are you insane.

  • http://www.slamonline.com house

    wow unreal, that makes me even more depressed about my Bulls :( Gonna have to buy 2k12 some day real soon!

  • Gutty

    Sad but true. Lebron is “slightly” #1. But crazy as this may sound; He needs to play the point. On offense that is. This will alleviate him from having to score and would allow him to do what he loves most; distributing and dictating. Also, causing match up problems for other teams 1s,and 2s. No 1 in the league besides Westbrook, Rose, or Williams can even attempt to check Wade and thats who they would be forced to guard if Bron is at the 1. Certainly they won’t be guarding Bron. No sir!!

  • Maniac

    Woooo! Won my first game on superstar lol…. Against the Hornets :) (hey it’s a start)

  • http://slamonline.com Ben Osborne

    @Jukai: but you didn’t make Kelly Dwyer to tweet about it.

  • Anthony

    evrybody who play 2k on superstar is whack HOF or die lol…… join my draft lg… 2k ELITE password is ANTMANKING on 360….

  • http://Slamonline.com Caboose

    Ok, I took the liberty of compiling a list of the top 10 players based on the comments of the past week and a half. Several factors were considered including number of comments protesting, clarity of arguments, leverage of commenter arguing their point, and my own (unavoidable) bias. Let me know what you guys think. If I did this right, y’all should be happy.
    1. LeBron James
    2. Dwight Howard
    3. Dwyane Wade
    4. Chris Paul
    5. Dirk Nowitzki
    6. Derrick Rose
    7. Kobe Bryant
    8. Kevin Durant
    9. Deron Williams
    10. Carmelo Anthony

  • http://www.slamonline.com house

    Well I took some time out of my day and composed my own top 10: it took like 5 seconds..
    1)Brian Scalabrine
    2)Brian Scalabrine
    3)Brian Scalabrine
    4)Brian Scalabrine
    5)Brian Scalabrine
    6)Brian Scalabrine
    7)Brian Scalabrine
    8)Brian Scalabrine
    9)Brian Scalabrine
    10)Brian Scalabrine

    Flame away!

  • Jono

    Still mad that DRose is in the top 5. #disgrace #overrated

  • Yesse

    I disagree with this. LeBron is a great player and possibly the best one in the world, but the thing that stops him is his ability to play in crucial moments. After his last finals performance there is no way i can see him at the number one spot.

  • http://www.slamonline.com Max

    I prolly gonna get smoked my first couple of games on 2k..

  • DukeFromDeep

    LBJ = overrated! There are five guys I would start a team around before him. Howard, Durant, Griffin (soon)…

  • DukeFromDeep

    That’s three… Melo, CP3, Dirk…

  • http://slamonline.com Saviour

    I just don’t get this, the definition of player is someone who plays the game. He does not play the game like it should be played; with a team. Yes, his personal achievements are impressive but when it comes to winning, or important moments he is invisible.

  • BBaller

    Personally it think this is a just ranking. Lebron IS the best player in the NBA ATM. I dislike the nickname ” the King”, the “Prince” would be more suitable at this point in his career.The term “King” implies that you are the owner of a province or kingdom. He is still yet to prove that. For affirmation of his legacy and label,he must win a chip to acclaim that title. I still think he is an self opinionated,arrogant,selfish,disloyal,disrespectful,sellout,self indulgent twat but if i was a GM i’d take him as my first pick.

  • http://www.slamonline.com Max

    DukeFromDeep,
    Why would you pick Melo before Lebron?

  • BBaller

    He would do well to take a leaf out out of Tim Duncan’s book

  • http://www.slamonline.com Max

    And why Dirk?
    Give Lebron time till he reaches his age and see if he by than has what it takes to win a chip.

  • BBaller

    @Eboy you were and held the greatest commenter poster (since 04)on this site BEFORE lebron and BOSH came to Miami.

  • BBaller

    I’m out like Lebron in the 4th Quarter.

  • Justin

    Recruiting Steve Nash now? lol Dude just can’t do it without a team of superstars around him huh? What a lazy, weak minded player. Talented as hell but lazy

  • Mike From Spain

    Hating Lebron is satisfying, because you need to hate a great player for it to have any meaning. What would be the point of hating… IDK, Scalabrine? I hate bullies, and Lebron is a bully in the basketball court. I know he’s the best in terms of raw talent and stats, but hell, sports fans need supervillains, and Lebron is a nice supervillain.

  • http://www.sonichurricane.net Guile

    what a shame, the heat got 2 top 5 players, 3 players in the top 18, the 3pt champ, and they still can’t win the whole thing, and this dude is the best in the league right now?for 3 straight years?

    the freak of nature, the so called “king”, with the chosen ONE tattooed on his back, a gifted child (or so he says on his chest tattoo), still have 0 RINGS, despite playing with all-stars and what not….SMH #1?at what?getting basketball stats?check my stats he says…but what else is there but NUMBERS?where’s all the intangibles that can’t be measured with stats?the leadership?the mental toughness?the never say die attitude?

    8 Points in a final game, HEALTHY, IN HIS PHYSICAL PRIME, while playing heavy minutes? inexcusable, something is really lacking between this kids’ ears, even if he win something later on, people will dismiss it as cheap, because he’s piggybacking dwyane wade and bosh in the finals, what’s his career high in the finals again?

  • MIGZ

    yea thats alright because i think it can go either way LeBron or Kobe should be 1 people are just stupid in this rating Chart
    ………slam needs to get it together with thier choosing of Great player

  • blackthougth

    yeah, lebrons the best overall player in the nba – but only for the first three quaters. if the moneys on the line i`d take kobe all day (and MONEY, if he`d be still playing).

  • http://slamonline.com Allenp

    There is no way in hell I’m trading you Joe Johnson for Carlos Boozer.
    NEVER.
    But, Crawford is available if you’re interested. Make me an offer and you have an immediate starting quality two guard.

  • http://slamonline.com Allenp

    I’m slowly getting better and better. It reminds me of every other time I get the game. The first few weeks I spend time being ridiculously frustrated, then I start to understand what I have to do.
    Basically, when the shot clock is winding down, you have to take control of the player on the ball and challenge aggressively. In fact, in time the computer stops their dribble, take over control and get ready to contest.
    I can’t lie though, the computer is AWESOME on their pump fake and step through game. It’s amazing.
    Also, Enigmatic on fast breaks, you have to either give the ball up really early, or really late. In real life the time when you would pass the ball is the time when the computer is going to make a steal every time. Plus, if you have a wing who gets up, go with the Alley if you’re on a break and the defender back is a little. Works pretty much every time.
    I haven’t figured out the rebounding though. That’s killing me. The game punishes you for every little mistake, but they punish you in ridiculously unrealistic ways, which makes me mad.

  • don

    i LIKED and DEFENDED lebron until he left the cavs.. and now i learn that his shoes are going to be $250?? oh no.

  • http://slamonline.com nbk

    Change your coaches settings. If your team isn’t rebounding, make them focus on it. Your playing with Atlanta that’s why your having so much trouble on the defensive glass.

  • whooo!

    it’s amusing that all i can think about the #1 ranking now is, “who is less flawed” rather than “who is best”. Kobe getting old and selfish; Durant/Melo no defense to save their lives; Dwight still inconsistent as scorer though progress is good; Lebron a major choker who shrinks at the biggest stages… hell, i almost wanna have a Wade/Rose/Cp3 higher rankings just cuz at least their games have no weaknesses, but yet Lebron’s superior talent also comes through.

    long story short, the league right now has no clear #1. or even a clear #1vs#2 debate. it’s more like a 5-way tie for first, depending on what you want out of your main guy, because allt these cats got issues.

  • http://slam blinda

    Miami is not a slam dunk to win multiple titles in the next couple seasons. If the entire Boston squad wasn’t hurt they had a shot. The Lakers are going to bounce back I hope, at least go out fighting this time around. Dallas will be dangersous, along with OKC and Chicago. Miami relies so much on its big three that something is bound to go wrong, especially with all of Wade’s injuries and reckless play.

  • http://www.bulls.com Enigmatic

    Soop, I play as the Bulls, shouldn’t THEY be focused on defense and rebounding???

  • http://theurbangriot.com The Nupe

    @whooo!: You make a good point and in many ways I agree with you. Then I think about NEXT season and who I expect to be the best. And that answer seems simple too me – it’s LBJ. The main reason is that when I consider his ‘flaws’, I expect him to ‘get over’ them and perform in the 4thQ. I don’t expect Durant/Melo to play better defense, I don’t see Kobe being less selfish and certainly not any younger. Dwight will improve on offense – but I don’t think to the degree LBJ will improve in the 4th. Wade/CP3, I think they are as good as they’ll get – which isn’t as good as LBJ. Then Rose is a wildcard. I think he MAY improve, and could possibly move up a couple of spots, but part of me also thinks we may have seen his best season already. If I had to build a team for the entire season, LBJ is the best IMO. However, if I have to pick a player for the most critical game/series, then I’d go with Wade (maybe even Dirk), not Kobe next year only because of age, but for a single healthy quarter then Kobe would be my clear #1. So how it all comes down to me, is LBJ is the best and most likely to work on his flaws more than anyone else in consideration. Dwight/Rose could take that #1 spot after next season – but I doubt it.

  • http://slamonline.com nbk

    Theoretically yes. Actually? idk, don’t the wings look to run for Chicago on D? Carlos Boozer is good on the boards in real life, but he’s 6’9 with limited athleticism in a video game, so when your not simming he’s going to get taken advantage of. Atleast that’s how my experience with guys like that go. For instance I traded for Kevin Love in my own association, he averaged 12 boards a game, but once I actually controlled the team he wasn’t grabbing more then 6 or 7. idk, it’s definitely a 2k issue, but changing your coaching settings make a difference, check what the teams fastbreak tendency is under the coach settings, if it above 50ish then you have only 2 players focusing on rebounding. Below is 3, like 25 is 4, and 0 is your 5 guys trying to rebound.

  • http://bulls.com airs

    thats a good point, nbk.
    i put both rebounding and fastbreak up but i guess that really wouldnt work.
    i still hate that you lose the ball if you bump into your teammate though

  • http://slamonline.com nbk

    The “crash boards” tendency only applies to offensive rebounding I’m pretty sure.

  • Danny_W_UK

    If I was a GM drafting the whole league for a new start I’d draft KD first, if I was drafting to win a Chip this year, I’d take Kobe. It’s all about winning a Championship and selling tickets, and I don’t know if I could trust LeBron as to whether he’d disappear in his 3rd NBA Finals, and/or have a total Public relations meltdown, from the decision, to Dirk’s Finals MVP Award.

  • http://www.bulls.com Enigmatic

    airs, last I checked you hadn’t declined that Carlos Boozer and John Lucas for Kevin Durant and Robert Vaden trade, which means you must still be thinking about it! Sweet!

  • http://slamonline.com nbk

    I’d start a team with LeBron or Dwight, you know, because I like having the best chance of actually getting to the finals (since 2007 the Finals have included the Celtics Twice, The Magic Once, and LeBron Twice) As opposed to picking a questionably healthy Kobe Bryant who got extremely worn out towards the end of last season despite playing the least minutes since his 2nd season.

  • NickR

    Great stuff Ben. I’ve never been a LeBron guy myself, but yea, there’s no question he’s the best in the world right now. Well done.

  • http://www.bulls.com Enigmatic

    I’s start a team with DeMar DeRozan.

  • bike

    LeBron is one of the few that really did live up to the hype. Ever since ‘The Chosen One’ article in SI, the guy met or exceeded all expectations. If there is heir to the current G.O.A.T., it’s Lebron James.

  • http://bulls.com airs

    haha, matic.
    you know i was trying to respond to it but it wouldnt let me for some reason.
    maybe 2k just already knows how ludicrous it is and wont even let me consider it haha

  • truthteller

    It’s amazing how things change. ONce upon a time, Kobe was the most hated and Lebron was loved, especially on this site. Now it looks like things have changed and LeBron is the most hated. Amazing!Well Lebron fans, enjoy the hate the same way kobe fans enjoyed the hate!

  • http://yahoo.com P love

    No NO NO not yet! Got to be Dirk!

  • http://theurbangriot.com The Nupe

    truthteller: Both Kobe and LeBron have done a lot on the court to ‘earn’ the love they’ve received for their game. Both on and off the court they’ve also ‘earned’ a lot of hate. I’m not sure if anything has changed about that, other than LeBron earning more hate.

  • http://slamonline.com LakeShow

    bike, ……. ugh, nevermind.

  • http://slamonline.com nbk

    what is wrong with what Bike said?

  • http://www.bulls.com Enigmatic

    Well, he hasn’t met or exceeded ALL expectations because people expected him to win a title by now.
    That being said, I mean…how many of us thought it would take him 3 or 4 years to really make his mark on the NBA like it took Kobe and T-Mac?
    I know I did.
    But 20, 6 and 5 in year one and 27, 7 and 7 by year two?
    DAMN!!!

  • http://slamonline.com nbk

    I didn’t personally expect him to win a title by now. Basically he is exactly where I expected him to be. Except I didn’t think he’d have 2 MVP’s this early. He isn’t even 27 yet

  • http://www.bulls.com Enigmatic

    Well, you know, general consensus was he’d win one by now.
    Hey, I’m on your side! I think he’s done an awesome job

  • http://slamonline.com LakeShow

    “If there is heir to the current G.O.A.T., it’s Lebron James.” He just compared LbJ to MJ. You take huge exception to a guy who has won 5 rings, is clutch, and plays the most like MJ being compared to Jordan, but LBJ? No problem. Common man, your starting to show your colors a little to much for someone who is “not biased.”

  • http://Slamonline.com nbk

    At the same age LeBron has accomplished more then MJ at 26. The comparison at the same age makes perfect sense.

  • Maniac

    Agree with LakeShow & Enigmatic. I can say that I don’t have a problem with what Bike meant, but LeBron has not exceeded (and have barely met, if he has), the expectations. There’s no reason the Heat should have not won this year… except LeBron’s mental collapses. I have no problem with people comparing LeBron to Mike (though they are two TOTALLY different type of players). LeBron needs to start winning and his confidence (as Z properly explained yesterday) needs to improve to be elevated to GOAT status. On a scale of how great a player can be, if Jordan is a 10, Kobe is between 9.5 & 10. It is absolutely possible that LeBron can exceed both of them in the future, but dude has some work to put in.

  • http://www.bulls.com Enigmatic

    That will no longer be true if LeBron fails to win a title next year.
    MJ won his first title at 27 and had two MVPs by then as well.

  • Maniac

    @nbk – Age is not a good measurement at all. LeBron & Kobe came out of high school and Jordan played 3 years in college. At 26, Jordan had 6 seasons under his belt, LeBron has 8, and Kobe had 9. LeBron has 3000 minutes on Kobe and 8500 on Jordan at 26. Their situations all have been completely different seeing as how Kobe had 4500 accumulated playoff minutes at 26, LeBron has 4000, and Jordan only had 2200. Kobe had 3 rings while neither had/has any. What LeBron has accomplished thus far is irrelevant to what Kobe & Jordan have now.

  • Mo
  • Maniac

    And even if I were forced into the argument, it is not that clear that LeBron at 26 > Jordan and/or Kobe at 26 for that matter (it’s a little tough to argue for Kobe at that age thus far, but legit claims can be proven). I can definitely say that he is on par though. No question.

  • Mo

    Cowherd was right. Take the emotion out of it.

  • Maniac

    LOL @ Colin Cowherd’s opinion even counting ^^

  • http://Slamonline.com nbk

    If LeBron and Wade win 6 straight (just and example I don’t at all think this will happen) LeBron will have 6 Titles, ?(< 2) MVP's – and be 33 years old. His total career accomplishments at the current pace will dwarf anything Michael Jordan ever accomplished (in totals). He will surpass Kareem at what 34-35? If he averages 25? So he will have as many titles as Jordan, comparable career averages and higher career totals. Just because they came in the league sooner doesn't change what they can Accomplish. if 2006 Kobe lasted to today, wouldn't he have a legitimate argument with Jordan (assuming he won the last 3 titles – & won a couple of MVP's) – what Jordan did was keep winning until he was in his mid 30's. You can't give him extra credit cause he retired (although we probably know a Jordan v Hakeem finals 2 years in a row would have been absolutely crazy if it happened) – he accomplished what he did, and he didn't put anything out of reach (except that 30PPG career average is gonna last a long long time). Unless Kobe's knee surgery really did get rid of his arthritis and gave him his old legs back he isn't going to catch Jordan's overall accomplishments. But LBJ is 26 – fresh off of a finals defeat his 2nd – while Jordan was coming down from another loss to the Pistons. And Matic, if The Heat win the Title and LeBron gets the MVP then it's 3 & 1 too 2 & 1.

  • Rainman

    “until the Finals” the finals is what counts.

  • http://Slamonline.com nbk

    Yeah tell that too the other 419 guys who didnt get that far.

  • Mo

    Yeah Maniac, I don’t even like Cowherd but he was right on that account. We could also say yours or my opinion doesn’t count. Opinions….. we all have one.

  • Jackie Moon

    nbk – that’s a whole lot of ifs in that comment.

    You could substitute the name of any under 26 year old player instead of Lebron and that comment would be true.

    IF my aunt had b a l ls she would be my uncle, too!

  • http://Slamonline.com nbk

    What? If you go back to whatever rock you’ve been under Jackie, please spend time learning about the difference between LeBron as a 26 year and every other player in NBA history at the same age and come back and tell me if the phrase “any under 26 year old player” makes a damn bit of sense.

  • Karl

    Lebron is the greatest athlete of our generation. That combination of size, athleticism, skill and vision make him the best in the league. Excels in every department a small forward should and then some. Durant will never be as good and that’s just the fact of the matter.

  • Jackie Moon

    nbk – if if if …

    what has he done? He has failed to win now with THREE 60 win teams. Show me when Kobe or MJ played on a 60 win team and lost. He’s in Garnett and Dirk’s class.

  • http://Slamonline.com nbk

    Jackie – if implies something has a chance of happening. So before you go under that rock maybe take some online English classes.

  • Jake

    I guess this ranking means potential has finally overtaken accomplishments when it comes to ranking the best players in the NBA. It sounds cruel to judge someone by their shortcomings but that’s what sports are all about. You can get alllllll the stats you want, but if you don’t win it doesn’t mean anything. Look at all the great individual players in the league that put up huge numbers and choked time and time again. They aren’t put in the same category as “best”. There are three tiers of good players. Magic,Kobe,Kareem,Jordan,Pippen,Shaq,Wilt are on one tier…Barkley, Iverson, Bernard King, Artis Gilmore, Stockton on the second, Lebron, Durant, Dwight Howard, Steve Nash are in another. The second and third tier are a bit blurry but you can see the correlation. GREAT players that either never got it done, or haven’t been around long enough to call the best. Kobe Bryant has 5 championships and 7 finals appearances. That’s the only argument I need.

  • http://gmail.com z

    Nbk its time to abandon this veneer of impartiality that you’ve tried to maintain regarding your feelings about kobe, your consistent criticism implies that you intensely dislike kob\his fans, the fact that any positve mention of kob you insist on qualifying or openly disputing. You’ll probably reply that you named your dog after him as if that means that you couldn’t possibly dislike him. Interesting tidbit: wilt chamberlain named his dog kareem; wilt also hated kareem abdul jabbar for the last 25 yrs of his life. So going by precedent, your naming a dog kobe probably means just the opposite of what you claim. I realize that you’re probly just going to try and drown me out with a flurry of posts (seriously do you ever do ANYTHING but patrol this site imposing your views on others?), but its irrelevant, so long as other posters understand going forward that you simply don’t like kobe getting too much love. The sad thing is that you’re one of the best commentors (always use stats well to back up your anti kobe bias, have encyclopedic knowledge, etc) but the bias makes your opinion on kobe related topics less&less relevant. Btw this post could just as easily be directed at jtaylor, the philosopher, etc. Don’t claim impartiality then CONSTANTLY hate on someone, ppl. Have some intellectual integrity.

  • http://gmail.com z

    And for the record yall musta forgot how dope kobe’s 2003 season was, I’d DEFINITELY take kobe at age 25 over bron. Primarily bc he had already proven that he was able to perform on the biggest stage. I’m sure nbk’s explanation for that disparity between the two is that “well kobe’s just selfish”…considering who had rings by that age (not a ring, 3 of em) I’d have to say its one of those times when selfish must be good. And before you say that kobe piggybacked shaq (a ridiculous argument that already been sufficiently countered by less inteligent men than me) consider for a second who bron played with last year.

  • http://Slamonline.com nbk

    Z – I have been consistent about how I talk about Kobe. The only reason it seems like I have some kind of bias against him is because there are a lot more people that overraate Kobe then those that underrate him. He is (imo) the 4th best player in the league today, the 12th best player of all time, the 9th greatest. There is not a player in the league whose competitive drive and work ethic I admire more. Z find a commenter too come in here and try ad legitimately argue against Kobe and I will be first in line too show them how they are wrong Just like I am with every other person who tries to legitimately argue against anyone in an unrealistic way (imo). Go to the Kevin Durant thread and read that I argued for him as a defender. The LeBron hate is just stronger then the hate for anyone else – so I being the one who always has to argue am always stepping in and giving my POV. What did/do I say about Kobe that isn’t true? Or that is unrealistic? Same with LeBron? I appreciate that you consider me a good commenter because I really try and maintain objectivity, so if you have a legitimate criticism say it, don’t just create this vasad that I dislike Kobe because I’m arguing one side more then the other. Because there is a reason for that.

  • http://Slamonline.com nbk

    And it took Kobe and Shaq 4 tries to win a title. And nobody who thought it out really picked the Heat to win a title in their first try together last season. People gave them a shot (I sure did) but most people ultimately picked the Lakers (I did) or Celtics last year. If the Heat fail and are healthy this year then I think all criticism about LeBron’s ability too figure out how win a title will be justified. You can take Kobe at 25 all you want, but don’t try ad justify it with “he had 2 rings” – so did f*ckin Sam Cassell, would you take him too? LeBron had 2 MVPs at 25 and was much much much more productive, Kobe had 3 rings. As individuals, I’ll take LeBron. For their careers as of now, I’ll take Kobe. My explanation of Kobe’s ability too win has ne’er been about his selfishness. And if you read the conversation in which I used the term piggyback’d his way to 3 titles you’ll notice I explained what I meant a few comments later. So please if your going to complain about me and my comments, say things that are at least relevant.

  • http://slamonline 3kings

    lebron is the best and has been for the past three or four years. get over it. kobe had the best center in the game at the time to help win 3 titles. and hes now got pau gasol, andrew bynum and ron artest and they still got swept by the heat in the reg season and by the mavs. kobes a little bit*h. that has been spoiled with a great supporting cast. amd d wade is better than kobe, derrik rose is way to far up and shud be behind dirk and carmelo

  • http://gmail.com z

    @nbk fair enough. I just worry that ppl have given bron too much credit too soon and bc he doesn’t seem self motivated like kobe and $ were that he’s gotten/will get complacent with just being a global brand rather than the goat. I’m not a fan of bron’s but I am a fan of the game and want bron (or anyone really, bron just seems the most likely candidate now) to step up and take the torch that kob’s gonna be passing off in the next few yrs, similar to how $ talked about “leaving the game in good hands” (he was talking bout kobe when he said that btw); why do you guys think $ was so friendly and encouraging to kob from day one? Bc he knew this was the one who had the motivation iq and skill to carry the torch. Kob seems to think that next person’s melo from what I’ve seen (as a knix fan I’d hope he’s right). Fyi I don’t understand how some ppl can rank $ the best ever and then (assuming they’re using the same criteria, and if not they’re guilty of a double standard) rank kobe lower than 2nd best guard ever. I’d be interested in nbk’s or anyones explanation of that seeming paradox.

  • matt

    PPL always say, but he has no rings. Okay, if we only care about rings, horry is better than Jordan. Lebron is the best overall player in the game today. No one other than LeBron could carry a crap team and take them far into the playoffs. Would any other player in nba history be able to take the 07 cavs to the finals? I don’t think so. Dude is a beast physically and is smart as evidenced by his assists. Also, Dwight should be ranked higher. Without Dwight, the magic would be worse than my raptors.

  • http://Slamonline.com nbk

    I have Kobe as the 2nd greatest 2-guard of all time. The only other player I would accept someone saying was a better 2-guard is Oscar Robertson but he is generally thought of as a Point. In the guard hierarchy I have Bryant behind only Michael, Magic, & Big O in terms of “best”. Greatness (accomplishments + legend) I think Kobe will only end up behind MJ and Magic. And Z did you know Kobe is the only player MJ has consistently talked to and given advice too, even since Mike was in the league? I believe him and Kobe talk just about once every week (from what I’ve read about their relationship).

  • Ballislove

    I think Guile has a point

  • Jake

    @ 3 kings- Clearly you don’t pay much attention to the Lakers. Ron Artest? Not a good player anymore. Pau Gasol? He has to be constantly reminded to play with aggression and not let people make him slink into the background. Andrew Bynum? He’s always injured. Derek Fisher? Old and worn out. Now…. you tell me who’s had a better supporting cast for the last 4 years, LeBron or Kobe.

  • http://Slamonline.com nbk

    Kobe

  • http://Slamonline.com nbk

    And that’s obvious.

  • http://slamonline.com Allenp

    Why is Kobe better than Isiah Thomas. Break down their games and tell me where Kobe has a clear advantage? Nowhere.

  • http://Slamonline.com nbk

    He has a clear defensive advantage. And he has a clear size advantage. Other then that the differences are minuscule but it’s pretty clear which player would be easier to build a winner around (imo)

  • http://Slamonline.com nbk

    I can go into detail tomorrow if you want together into it

  • http://slamonline.com Allenp

    Kobe is the toughest player to build a winner around because of his attitude.
    Isiah took a decently talented team fir his era and molded it infos championship contender for at least half of his career and a two time champ. And the defensive difference is minuscule and the only offensive difference is in Isiah’s favor.

  • Maniac

    LOL @ Kobe not having any clear advantages over Isiah. SMH.

  • http://Slamonline.com nbk

    Allen, the Bad Boy Pistons were “decently talented”? They had 3 HOF players (Isiah, Joe D, Dennis Rodman) at the height of their abilities. It basically took a perfect mix of player to get Isiah his championships. Defensive geniuses, a stretch 4 who could bang down low (Lambeer), an offensive bomb on the bench (Vinnie Johnson) and the perfect 2 guard too play next to a shoot first PG (Joe D). Maybe Kobe was harder to “build around” in the sense that he couldn’t deal with inferior guys, but he was easier to win with when he was happy.

  • http://www.bulls.com Enigmatic

    bsicbsdjcksbdc

  • http://www.bulls.com Enigmatic

    Sorry, y’all. Don’t mind me. Was having troubles with comments not showing up is all…

  • http://gmail.com z

    I’m just gonna assume allen’s playing devil’s advocate wit the zeke over kob argument…different prototype of player, but I’d take kob over the answer so I’d definitely take him over zeke. Seriously man you’re tellin me isiah in his best years could outplay kobe circa 2006? Dream on

  • http://gmail.com z

    I mean I can admit zeke was a better leader, maybe

  • http://Slamonline.com nbk

    Allen is real big on Isiah. I’m interested to hear this argument. I remember the conversation him and I believe JTaylor had about who the 2nd best PG of all time was, Allen was arguing for Isiah I’m pretty sure

  • http://cnbc.com JTaylor21

    Damn, y’all still on this page arguing?
    nbk, I also had Zeke ranked 2nd. I think the argument was “who was a better ball-handler” between Stock and Zeke and it was between BC and JT.
    It’s obvious that Maniac started watching the NBA after 1991 because the way he laughs off AllenP’s comment on Zeke being better than Kobe shows he knows little about the history of the game and reeks of fanboyism.

  • http://Slamonline.com nbk

    I knew you were big on Isiah as well JT, not that high (not that I necessarily disagree) but I’m definitely thinking of a different conversation that I know Allen was in.

  • http://Slamonline.com nbk

    And cosign what you said about Maniac, although a lot of his comments have made that pretty clear.

  • Maniac

    So now I’m a fanboy and don’t know basketball history. Lol again even harder. First, obviously I didn’t start watching the NBA till after 91 because I was born in 91. Secondly, Isiah is #3 behind Magic and Oscar. Third, LOL.

  • http://slamonline.com nbk

    Your clearly a fanboy, clearly. You do know basketball history, you just seem to have a loose grip on it.

  • Maniac

    Fanboy of? The NBA? Yup. I can live with the comment on my “loose grip” of the history. Not sure what that means, but OK.

  • http://Slamonline.com nbk

    Fanboy of Kobe.

  • Maniac

    If you say so…

  • DieselMechanic

    Oh sweat yall had him #1 the last 3 years? Wow. I remember the Kobe vs. Lebron Slam issue. I felt like Slam was leaning w/ Kob. I remember one writer saying the only Kob has the keys to the best bball player in the world car and is not giving them up anytime soon. I think based off last year it was still Mamba. When you look at his reduced minutes (around 32) and the wat Phil kinda tried to hold him back, he was making the most use of his minutes.

  • Yao

    OK,LeBron is NO.1,but I love Kobe.

  • Bob

    Dirks got to be top five

  • iMaiden13

    Everyone hates on LeBron and I admit, he’s irritating but that doesn’t take away from the fact that he is the best player right now in the NBA.

  • http://www.google.com.au Daniel

    I have to say this List is better then The ESPN NBA RANK…

  • http://www.google.com.au Daniel

    BOB ONCE SAID…….If you dont have haters then you ain’t good enough……

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